Q1 2023 KBR Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the KBR first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. My name is Jaquita. I will be your moderator for today's call.
Speaker 2: All lines will be muted on the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Jamie DeRay with KBR. Jamie, please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jaquina. Good morning and welcome to KBR's first quarter fiscal year 2023 earnings call. Joining me are Stuart Brady, President and Chief Executive Officer, as well as Mark Sopp, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker 3: Stuart and Mark will provide highlights from the year and then open a call for your questions.
Speaker 3: Today's earning presentation is available on the investors section of our website at kbr.com. This discussion includes forward-looking statements reflecting KBR's views about future events and their potential impact on performance, as outlined on slide two. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ significantly from these forward-looking statements.
Speaker 4: I will now turn the call over to Stuart. Thank you, Jamie, and thanks to you all for taking the time to join us this morning.
Speaker 4: Now before we begin our earnings call, I am deeply saddened to inform you that Lieutenant General Vincent Stewart, U.S. Marine Corps, retired.
Speaker 4: A very distinguished member of our board passed away this past Friday sadly. Prince has been a director of the company since June 2021 and on behalf of KBR's board of directors and all of our employees we extend our deepest sympathies.
Speaker 4: to Vince's family. I'm personally very saddened by Vince's passing. He was a tremendous supporter of the company and me personally and I will always be appreciative of his service and his impact to KBR.
Speaker 4: Now I'll start today's presentation on slide 4.
Speaker 4: As you know, these are our Zero Harm Pillars and today I'd like to talk about our annual Zero Harm Day that actually celebrates all of the pillars you see on the slide. So on to slide 5.
Speaker 4: So on February 22nd of this year, KBR employees from all around the world came together to celebrate the company's 8th Annual Zero Harm Day. Now this is an important and a significant day in the life of the company.
Speaker 4: which we celebrate KBR's outstanding safety performance and our sustainability culture throughout the organization.
Speaker 4: It's also an opportunity to really recognize that people for the zero harm achievements and their courage to care.
Speaker 4: Project sites, offices, business groups all around the world had zero harm day events and there's photographs of that in the slide. And thousands of employees took part in a huge range of activities and when there were panel discussions on climate change, on mental health, we had community leaders come in.
Speaker 4: and experts come in to talk about topics ranging from personal safety to recycling to giving back to communities, etc.
Speaker 4: And overall it was a fantastic day of recognizing our accomplishments but actually renewing our commitment and refreshing that commitment to Zero-Ham culture at KBR.
Speaker 4: And of course we carry on a zero harm theme actually throughout the whole year as you know. And recently our impact young professionals resource group came together on Earth Day for a day of giving back. And in Houston they took part in a beach clean up actually in Galveston partnering the non-profit Galveston Bay Foundation.
Speaker 4: Terrifically well done to those aspiring leaders.
Speaker 4: So on to slide six, and we'll just talk a little bit about some key highlights in the quarter, and I guess the business health of the group in general. Firstly, at the highest level, we've really hit the ground running in 23.
Speaker 4: Our people continue to perform. It's absolutely outstanding day in day out and I really wish to thank them personally For all that they do doing things that matter 24 7
Speaker 4: So staying on people on the top left you will see that already this year a head count has actually increased by 7%. That's quite a jump and almost all these rolls are billable.
Speaker 4: Attrition has come down and it's kind of stabilized at normative levels which is really helping and obviously our increased focus on retention and recruitment is paying off. So a big shout out to to the folks in the HR function. They are really terrific work. When is a services business
Speaker 4: the employee numbers are not the only measure of growth, but I think of course they're a solid indicator.
Speaker 4: I did want to highlight in this section today a program that we came across from the Centauri acquisition that we really identified as best practice at the time, and we've now broadened that to the whole of KVR.
Speaker 4: And this is our Tech Fellows program.
Speaker 4: Now this program takes nominations and then identifies and celebrates our leading technical gurus.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think this of course shows the value that KBF places on technical excellence. I mean many of those these fellows are actually world leaders in their field and I have to say that they are typically absolutely brilliant and excellent mentors to have people coming through.
Speaker 4: I mean this also provides a community and a forum to really innovate and to collaborate and sort of key topics that are really very important for our government and the world in general. We give additional budget and of course additional time so that they can invest in their chosen passion.
Speaker 4: So really, really important program and I think again really highlighting our commitment to technical excellence.
Speaker 4: Moving to our ESG program, zero harm. I'm pleased to report that our first quarter HSSE performance continues to be top quintile. So terrific. I mean you can see the numbers there but remember as I always say good safety is good business. So terrific performance.
Speaker 4: From a shareholder value perspective, in Q1 we were awarded three green ammonia projects. Now these are different levels of maturity and I think we've announced each of them separately but it's nice to see when you put them together I think it really tells the market story and really our position within it. Obviously this was on the technology IP side of SDS.
Speaker 4: On the sustainable services end, we also announced that we've been awarded BP's hydrogen development work. And now with this we're working in an integrated and collaborative framework with BP. And I think this through time will come with pull through opportunities, think project management, engineering, technical authority, over a number of years.
Speaker 4: And BP has actually made a public 30 billion investment committee in hydrogen going forward, so super exciting.
Speaker 4: Moving to the bottom left I'll touch quickly on business growth. We were awarded 3.1 billion dollars in the quarter which took our backlog and options up to circa 21 billion dollars.
Speaker 4: But importantly, the book to bill for the group was 1.4.
Speaker 4: with GS at 1.0 in what is typically a slower quarter and STS at 1.9 on a filling 12 month basis. I mean, I think these are terrific indicators of our continued momentum for 23 and of course towards a 25 targets. And I think the other key takeaway from this section is that we're...
Speaker 4: our revenue was up an impressive 18.8%.
Speaker 4: with margins also up 170 bits to 11%.
Speaker 4: Cash was positive albeit seasonally low plus with cash out events like comp payouts etc in Q1 these were all expected and our net leverage now stands below 2.0 so really strong balance sheet.
Speaker 4: Now although we beat consensus by a fair amount, we have resisted increasing guidance this quarter. I guess we're going to want to see how the rest of the year plays out. But with 85% of our work secured and with a strong and active pipeline, we have a strong and active pipeline. Plus there are
Speaker 4: I will reiterate that momentum is really good. Now on to slide seven and we'll just touch a little bit more on markets and some of the award and the momentum that comes with that. So slide seven. So starting on the left hand side the market across sustainable technology continues to be really biased.
Speaker 4: and it lines up nicely opposite a suite of offerings.
Speaker 4: Now we spent quite a bit of time on SDS last quarter and the market drivers that we talked about then still hold today. So I won't really go over this again.
Speaker 4: But I booked a bill in the quarter once more at paste.
Speaker 4: And we've highlighted a couple of key wins on the bottom left.
Speaker 4: Phase two of Plaquemines was given the green light, a great win in sustainable services.
Speaker 4: And directionally important, we also secured a first plastics recycling module on the IP side of the house. And I think this demonstrates these projects are now moving into the next phase, the execution phase with proprietary equipment order. So clearly more to come in this area.
Speaker 4: There are a few key pieces of info on top of what's on the slide.
Speaker 4: The trailing 12 months book to bill excluding so without placaments was 1.6
Speaker 4: I just wanted to put this in context to demonstrate how well the whole portfolio is performing.
Speaker 4: In Q1 alone, we secured seven ammonia awards.
Speaker 4: Three in green ammonia I highlighted earlier, plus one blue, and three gray focused on additional capacity. So that's seven ammonia stroke hydrogen driven projects in the quarter.
Speaker 4: The projects are in different phases, but the key takeaway here is it's a clear signal to the growing demand across the ammonia hydrogen markets that we have been highlighting for some time.
Speaker 4: Another key takeaway is that there is a growing mix of long-term contracts in the STS portfolio which I think should really serve as well into the future.
Speaker 4: So Plaquemines, BP Hydrogen, and the recently announced wind for Equinorn Canada are all really good examples of this. So all in multi-year, giving us greater visibility and quite a bit beyond 2025.
Speaker 4: Backlog in STS is a touch under $5 billion, which is circa three times annual revenue. So really good shape.
Speaker 4: Now on to government solutions.
Speaker 4: Again, the market fundamentals are similar to what we described last quarter. Tensions in Europe and geopolitically in a global context continue.
Speaker 4: Now this is driving increased activity both domestically and overseas in a number of our business areas but obviously and more noticeably in readiness and sustainment.
Speaker 4: The defense budget, albeit a little bit or a long way to go to formalize, is directionally favorable and lines up nicely opposite where KBR has positioned itself.
Speaker 4: Space budgets are also up in civil and significantly in military space. Again, a very nice fit for us.
Speaker 4: And Mark will cover later a great performance in a space business which reflects this increased activity and as I have stated previously a military space business which actually sits inside a defense and Intel portfolio grew over 20% last year and has had a terrific start this year in the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Internationally, the increased peer threats are driving closer cooperation across the Western Allies, AUKUS being a great example of this, and there's increased activity specifically in the advisory consulting arena where Fraser Nash lives.
Speaker 4: In what is traditionally a very slow bookings quarter, I think we have paced a bit with a book to Bill of One. And this does not include the recently announced Holmes 3 award for NASA Where KBR is a minority joint venture partner, but to give you a scale context
Speaker 4: we'll add circa 100 people to execute our work in that program. Overall, that OMS III award is approximately a $700 million takeaway that we'll book our share of in Q2 or Q3 depending on protests.
Speaker 4: And a book to bill does not include anything for HomeSafe yet. Now just on HomeSafe, the transition work has passed 50% complete, so we passed that milestone. It's all going very well and we've made very good progress on the commercial side as we head towards our first moves later this year.
Speaker 4: There were multiple awards across all our business segments that drove the book-to-bill performance.
Speaker 4: including increased task orders on logcap in the US and in Europe , some good awards under IAC-MAC and the 10-cap contract frameworks, several high-end R&D awards, meaningful on contract growth and our larger programs.
Speaker 4: increased activity within our Intel portfolio, and numerous consulting assignments. Now I think this really demonstrates the value of the KBR business model and where we sit in our markets, and it kind of ensures that we can go after the big fish.
Speaker 4: but we don't rely upon them. Now you may have seen the new spacesuit that was demonstrated earlier this year. Axiom is the main contractor, but as you will know we're a key design partner behind this exciting program, so that's pretty cool. And staying with NASA, and a huge shout out to our team as they were awarded the Supernova Award. Now that's the highest safety and excellence award.
Speaker 4: bestowed by NASA. So quite a big deal. I mean an absolutely bang on a zero harm value. So a great great win.
Speaker 4: Overall, I would say the feedback from the business is that award activity levels have gained momentum through Q1 after a sluggish start at the turn of the year, which I think bares well for Q2 and Q3.
Speaker 4: So in summary, overall our momentum continues with multiple market factors favorable. Our mission focus and delivery is absolutely top of mind and I think you see that flowing into our results across the company and we're feeling really really good about our start in 2023.
Speaker 4: With that, I'll now hand over to Mark. He'll dive into the numbers and segment performance a bit more. Mark. Great. Fantastic. Stuart, I'll pick up on slide nine. So as you just heard, we're off to a terrific start for 2023. We're really pleased to see that.
Speaker 5: We're seeing strong P&L results from both businesses, underpinned by excellent project execution, and also tapping growth opportunities which leverage our differentiated long-term contract base.
Speaker 5: Also, our global presence and our diversified offerings are kicking in.
Speaker 5: Top line ticked 1.7 billion, which is up 18% on an ex OAW basis.
Speaker 5: Just as a reminder, OAW was the large episodic humanitarian effort that we supported in 2021 and 2022, and that contributed about $300 million in revenues at the beginning of 2022 as it was winding down. So that's a comparable that we're seeing.
Speaker 5: 18% growth XOEW is quite impressive. It's fueled by both segments and I'll cover those here in a second.
Speaker 5: Profit margins were excellent at 11% of revenue, with EBITDA growing to $182 million, up 18%.
Speaker 5: And not shown on the slide, EBITDA was up circa 30%, 3-0%.
Speaker 5: excluding OAW, which demonstrates terrific margin expansion year over year. Fantastic.
Speaker 5: This level of EBITDA is a high-water mark for quarterly operating profit for the new KBR.
Speaker 5: margins of 11% were driven by both segments where STS surpassed 20%
Speaker 5: government profitability continues to perform consistently at the targeted 10%.
Speaker 5: The strong EBITDA coupled with normative below the line items produced adjusted EPS at $0.67 a share.
Speaker 5: With such strong performance in Q1, particularly in STS, we're ahead of pace for 2023, and we'll keep you posted on this as the year unfolds.
Speaker 5: As for cash flow, results were as expected. Cash is usually low in Q1 due to incentive payments.
Speaker 5: And this quarter was also affected by the 25 million headwind from early collections we had back in Q4, and also some other timing items.
Speaker 5: In addition, working capital demands went up due to the strong sequential growth we saw since Q4.
Speaker 5: We expect to get back on pace in later quarters this year.
Speaker 5: And on a positive note, we collected the second and final installment of the ICTUS settlement of 90 million Aussie dollars, a really nice boost to Treasury in the quarter.
Speaker 5: Now go to slide 10 for more color on the two segments, STS and GOV. Starting on the left, STS revenues are up almost 50%, all organic.
Speaker 5: Now go to slide 10 for more color on the two segments, STS and GOV. And starting on the left, STS revenues are up almost 50 percent, all organic. amazing.
Speaker 5: This reflects everything we have been saying, technology offerings that are helping the world become a greener place, capabilities which are helping stabilize the global energy security challenges.
Speaker 5: and a world-class team executing its business extremely well. We're seeing strength and growth in all verticals within STS.
ammonia slash hydrogen, olefins, clean refining, plastics recycling, and sustainable services all involved in enabling really important projects all around the world.
With all of this going on, the team keeps a keen eye on the longer term as well. We always have sought to identify new technologies in this space.
then acquire them, make them better, and leverage them across our global installed base with a highly effective sales team.
In Q1 we added sustainable aviation fuel with Swedish biofuels, Acetica for carbon capture usage, and
and ScoreClean for zero-carbon ethylene cracking using hydrogen burners. Acquiring and developing technologies in this fashion served us very well leading up to the strong market conditions and the performance we see today.
continuing to do so helps drive STS in being both a short-term and long-term growth story.
EBITDA for STS blossomed to 82 million with margins increasing from 17 to 22 percent.
This profitability strength reflects good license mix, economies of scale, and favorable closeouts on strong and consistent execution.
While not provided here, and as Stuart said, Book to Bill for STS was an amazing 1.9x TTM, but was actually 2.2x in the quarter.
continued demonstration of the attractive end market conditions, and leadership positioning that we see in this business area.
Now over to Gov, revenues grew 12% XOAW, also reflecting good market conditions and having presence in areas in greatest need by our customers.
While not on the chart, it was really good to see the strong sequential growth from Q4.
Specifically, all four business units grew within GS meaningfully since Q4, together up about 75 million or 6%.
Growth is driven by our readiness and sustainment, defense systems engineering, and science and space business areas.
with pockets of international also doing really well, such as technical consulting.
In readiness and sustainment, the majority of this business reflects long-term, recurring base operations and supply chain programs serving the armed services community all over the world.
This includes stable support for the European Command and the Northern Command under Log Cap 5. We talk about that a lot.
While that is all indeed firmly in place, our customer has also added substantial increases to support the allied effort to support Ukraine and overall security in Europe . We expected quite a bit of this in the 2023 plan.
And with high confidence, this will endure through the year and probably beyond.
We'll certainly keep you posted. Science and space grew 10% year over year, so kudos to Todd, Laurie, and the team on this. For more information aboutela intends.
Our operations focus has benefited from increased NASA and commercial space mission activity, plus military health work that we do in this business unit. This team also continues to receive stellar award fee scores, demonstrating superb service to the mission as it always does.
Our work here continues to drive enormous pride across all of KBR.
Margins for GUF came in at 10%, consistent with target and also recent performance.
On to slide 11 and capital matters.
So, with strong EBITDA growth, net leverage registered down and finishing at 1.9x for the quarter.
Last year, we signaled being cautious with debt in light of the interest rate environment, and we are indeed executing that strategy. But we're also still deploying meaningful cash for tuck-ins and returning capital to shareholders.
M&A is selectively in play, and as discussed earlier, we added a couple of new technologies in STS this past quarter.
In addition, buyback pace was kept strong at $50 million in Q1, plus another $11 million for benefit plan offsets.
And finally, in Q1 we were opportunistic with the swap curve and bumped up our fix to float.
ratio to about 90%.
This will drop down 5 to 10 points when we retire the convertible securities later this year, this fall in particular.
The average interest rate for our current debt stack is around 4%.
The combination of high six-to-float percentage and the low average rate provide significant stability in the interest outlook relative to driving toward our 2025 financial targets.
And finally for me on slide 12, our forward outlook.
Just quickly, with an excellent Q1 and with 85% of our outlook under contract, we are affirming the 23 guidance for all measures.
The strong start also shifts our weighting of earnings contribution over the course of the year. We're now looking at a 48-52 split of EPS first half to second half. Thank you, so I'll turn it back over to Stuart to finish it up. Thank you, Mark. Terrific job as always. And my final slide today is slide 13. I'll just touch on a couple of key takeaways. I think in summary, an absolutely terrific start to the year.
sequential growth in all business units, margin expansion, adjusted EPS ahead of pace.
Really our people are truly delivering significant value to our stakeholders. Boot to Bill was excellent at 1.4x on a trailing 12 month basis.
And more importantly the quality of what we're winning and the associated earnings are in key strategic areas. Work under contract is now 85% for 2023 and this is a very solid position to be in after Q1.
We're very well positioned in attractive markets of the future and I think our recent wins really demonstrate this.
And thus, we remain absolutely committed to our 2025 targets. So thank you, and I'll now hand back to the operator, Jokurika, who will open the call for questions. Thank you.
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Hey, good morning and thank you for the question. Thanks. Stewart, maybe just to follow up to some of the comments on SDS. How should we think about the sustainability of the current demand backdrop? You noted several.
You know, material wins over the last couple months, but I think the concern is, you know, if the global economy does start to head lower. Ultimately, you could see some makeshift away from some of the licensing activity you've been doing back towards services, and that could lead down. Is there a concern any concern like that in the near future? Or do you think the.
high book to bill and the pipeline give you a pretty good runway when you're thinking about your EBITD upgrade? Yeah, we're certainly seeing no signs of that, but I think the latter, I think really are our book to bill and activity levels in our pipeline and the licensing side and the IP side of the house are also driving that performance. And on the sustainable services side, the margins we're attracting there, given the high nature of what we're doing and...
for the quality of our resourcing into more longer term programs like the BP Hydrogen work. So I think that really gives us better vision into the future than we probably historically have had in that business area. So it's a really good mix at the moment. We're feeling really upbeat as you can tell.
Okay, great. Maybe on the other side of the business, you guys mentioned your release that on contract growth and government solutions has been a tailwind with science and space trending better. I think the expectation was that segment would be a little slower growing this year, but now you have that benefit paired with a nice JV win at Goddard Space Center. As that trajectory looks like it's improving deep, do you see it?
which was a terrific indicator of how that business is moving. I think you know we'll give you more color as the quarters unfold. I think in Q1 it's a bit bold to be getting out of the skis with that statement. I think and you know we've done terrifically well with 18% year-on-year growth XOEW and you know long may that continue but that's a high watermark in anyone's book.
I think that's probably the best I can give you on that. We're feeling pretty upbeat about the market and where we sit. Great, thanks, Stuart, and congrats on the quarter.
that but we're feeling pretty upbeat about the market and where we sit. Great, thanks Stuart and congrats on the quarter. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jerry Finch with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed. Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, everyone.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jerry Finch with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed. Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Jerry. Hi, Jerry. Good morning, Jerry. Good morning, Jerry.
I'm wondering if you could just expand on the Sustainable Tech Solutions performance in the quarter. It feels like that was ahead of plan. Can you just talk about what was the benefit of favorable closeouts versus things that we're seeing flowing through that will continue into the second quarter plus? I think long-range targets remain as they are.
on an ongoing basis.
I think Q1 was no different in that regard. So I think that the key takeaway there is that we are ahead of pace. I think the book to Bill shows the continued activity in that segment. The team is doing an outstanding job as Mark remarked in his prepared remarks.
that team globally is doing terrifically well and really delivering for our customers and thus for our stakeholders. So I think that's probably the best way to describe how that business is performing and obviously is the year shapes that will give you more. But I think, I mean, so far, we're very much well targeting our guidance. The reason for the question is...
discussion, etc., or just say more please if there are any parts of the business that we should be thinking about as potentially having a negative variance. So there are no parts of the business with a negative variance, I'll say that right off the bat. So, there's no part of the business that we should be thinking about as potentially having a negative variance.
I get your question on consensus when you add it to the quarter one performance but I think we're still well within our guide with the consensus numbers each quarter plus Q1 albeit not at the middle of the guide. I'll give you that and it is early in the year and you know we
as we come back in Q2 and Q3 and the business continue to form, we cut, we perform, we will review where we are in our guide but that's kind of where we sit. We're still with consensus, still trending within our guidance range. It sounds like we're towards the high end just to put the pieces together.
Well, I think the master would tell you that, yes. Super. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook with Credit Fleet. You may proceed. Right.
Hi, good morning and congrats on the next quarter. Sorry to follow up again on the STS. Obviously, a great EBITDA performance. Do we think about it? I mean, it had a nice jump sequentially in terms of EBITDA. Is the 80-some million, is that how we should think about the run rate over the next couple of quarters? And then could you just congrats on the plot?
with as we said some project closeouts and the mix we've given a guide very clearly of 300 million for the year and SDS and we intend to do that with a fair win. We may do a little bit better but there's no commitment there. I think 300 million is the number we're targeting.
and to be honest if we deliver that we're two years ahead of pace and you know and remember the characteristics of that business with its you know negative working capital and things it's a terrific business so all good. In terms of Plaquemines the first phase was 13 million tons or so with all the associated infrastructure to support 20 million tons.
the second phase is for the balance the seven million tons of LNG so that's a way to think about it in terms of scale it's you know about eight hundred million seven eight hundred million dollars going into the atmosphere.
But one of the things I was keen to point out as on a trailing 12 month basis that added a backlog when you look at the rest of SDS we still achieved a book to bill of 1.6 so excluding Plaquemine. So the whole portfolio is doing tremendously well but I do think the other as I said earlier in the questioning I think that
the other change, I think, Jamie, is the long-term nature of some of these contracts that really underpin future performance. Okay, thank you. Congrats. Thanks, Jamie. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Sean Eastman with KeyBank. You may proceed. Hi, James. Nice start to the year. Just quickly wanted to start on a clarification one. If we zone in on the...
Sean but not too much. I mean we've got ongoing services contracts, we've got ongoing I guess technology projects that we close out progressively and you know as we close those out we retire risks and when we retire risks in a favor we book the upside and that's an ongoing part of that type of business and I think if you're prudent then you get the upside and if you're concerned
to understand how the KBR game is thinking through scenarios and risk factors there. I mean.
Is there sort of a simple explanation for the street here on how to think about the debt ceiling risk? In this case it might have been drop down from precipitation but that sense is that it doesn't lower.
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, some things are, you know, we.
But well there that that whole negotiation is totally out with our control But the way that we think about it is that we've we've got certain attributes within KBR They're very different to perhaps some of our peers You know, we've got the SDS business got nothing to do with that debt ceiling as you're aware We've got the international part of a government business similarly that's out with it And we're positioned very much at the operational end of what we do for government
You know, we've talked about this often, you know, the Things that are happening in Europe will not be switched off They just can't be given the circumstances there that what we're doing in space can't be turned off because of the things we do there Etc, etc. So We've also got over half
our GS backlog as you know in long-term contracts that are funded so we're feeling pretty good about a lot of that. So we've got certain attributes that we think were very well positioned opposite these key priorities so I think the debt ceiling piece aside I think we've talked about inflation risk before and how we've managed that so I think we've come through that very strongly.
We've seen the shifts on, really throughout geopolitical risk and again I think we're well positioned there to be resilient. And I think that resiliency word hopefully resonates with the investment committee on KBR today just because of the attributes I've just described. So we've also positioned our business in very strong cash-generative areas of the market and I think again you can see our leverage.
us more transparency than most into into the future and with the attributes of STS and GSI with the US I think that gives us you know certain factors that are very positive in that regard.
Makes sense. One last quick one from me. Last month we saw this Australian Defence Strategic Review come out. It seemed like there was some moving pieces there, some reprioritization of spend being discussed. We weren't really sure what to take away there. So just curious on KBR's take on that one.
Yeah it's just come out we're still sort of digesting ourselves. Sean obviously there's a lot of focus on AUKUS and the Navy in general which you know we're very well positioned opposite that. We're also strong in things like mission IT which obviously is all well funded going into the future. There will be some reprioritization so we'll probably have to come back to you on that but...
but it's not certainly changing our guide or our outlook. I'll turn it over. Thank you.
change in our guide or our outlook. Understood. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Andy Kablakul with Citi Group. You may proceed. I guess close enough. How are you doing guys?
So, Stuart or Mark, you mentioned the seven ammonia awards in Q1 and the Hyundai Plastics Recycling Modular Plan helped you deliver that sort of 1.6 times, trailing a 12-month book to go ex-plaquemines, which seems like maybe even more of an acceleration, those key markets in the quarter. Is that the case and does that mean you can sustain?
So that 1.6 times that you've achieved SLNG moving forward.
Certainly the market would, you know, we're feeling pretty good about the market and the pipeline and obviously, you know, it's been a month or so since the end of the quarter and we're not seeing any of that slow down. So I think that bears well going forward. Can you achieve that exact number every quarter, Andy? ranked second on theshop and we're trying to reach it down that road. Is there an answer that I saw, as you commented in the chat, in this point before the March 5th Annals, June of 2018? Sure.
difficult to predict there'll be some ups and some downs and all of that but but I think overall the key message and the takeaway is we've got a very strong backlog already secured in SDS and with the whole group over 85% now I think we're in pretty good shape for 23 and a lot of focus is obviously booking business as we move into next year already.
And then Stuart, I think last quarter you had talked about maybe awards in space starting to sort of, you're watching for an acceleration awards in space and maybe we're seeing that. You mentioned the 10% growth in space. Does that have anything to do with sort of the Artemis program progressing? Like
What do you see for that particular area? And then I'd ask you the same thing about European command. It seems like you've been expecting the revenue stuff up there, but it seems like it's not coming in 2023.
Yeah, certainly the Artemis program and the flow through the air-resisting contracts, I think that's what's driving the on-contract growth there. As Mark also said, the health side of the services is also seeing quite substantial on-contract growth. So it's all going, which is terrific. And that obviously doesn't include the military space, Lisa, I touched on, which sits inside our intelligence.
funding which I think directionally sets the tone that we think this this is going to be more enduring than less and so I think there's probably more stability around that but but you're right we've seen growth from sort of last year to this year about in our forecast about 75 a quarter. Appreciate it guys.
Thank you.
The next question comes from the line of Steven Fisher with UBS. You may proceed.
Thanks. Good morning. I just wanted to follow up on the the guidance discussions earlier in the queue. I know it's early and you don't want to get over your skis, but I'm just wondering what are some of the key things. You're looking at to update guidance or, you know, uncertainties that might be resolved. Is it just.
time, or is there any risk on the debt ceiling discussions in your mind shifting around timing of awards? Is it going to maybe something with this European command that, you know, maybe troops could get pulled quickly? Anything kind of more specific you're looking for to...
That's an uncertainty that you're looking for to be resolved.
Not really Steve. I think that it's a time issue. We just want to get a few more months under our belt and as you know we're quite conservative. And I think that's prudent and you know we've de-risked the number of factors. I've touched on them already. I won't go into them all but obviously things like our...
capital situation and where we sit was it so industry at risk and things like that has all been mitigated and we've secured the work essentially to deliver and I think I mean people often forget you you've got 85% of your work under contract but but ultimately in a normal year we get a number of things that are small
and they make up 15 to 20% of our revenue base and we don't know what they are until they hit or a few weeks out before they hit. So we're feeling pretty good about the year. So it's more about time and just solid execution and a focus on delivering for our customers. I think if we do that and get a few more months under.
convert settlement later this year impact any M&A Motivations or how does that convert also affect your your buyback motivations as well? Hey Steve, Mark here. M&A pipeline is
Fairly consistent. I wouldn't say there's a major trend one way or the other. There's always things happening in government. And as you see, and we're really pleased to execute a few additions on the STS side, which doesn't happen very often. Small, but potentially really important in the long term as we continually tech refresh that business. Relative to the balance sheet, we did say very clearly in our last call, so this time.
but nonetheless remains our number one capital priority this year is to settle the convert and get that behind us and that does involve a meaningful amount of capital circa 600 million at this stock price starting today at least and so we do need to build the treasury for that.
We do have adequate liquidity to take care of that and do tuck-ins. And don't be surprised if you see those. Otherwise, the priorities are very clear and unchanged.
And we do remain constructive on M&A as opportunities present themselves. Perfect. Thank you. I think as a buyback Steve, we've started the year with a strong cadence. I think if you look back to Q1 last year, we were slower at the blocks. And you know we're committed to that the capital deployment and the 25 targets.
Obviously, once we get through the convert later this year, that will free up the liquidity to sort of fulfill on that promise. Thanks, Stuart. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ghana Connell with Cowling.
Hey, thanks guys. Good morning. How are you going? I wanted to ask about HomeSafe and just make sure I understood. You mentioned you've transitioned over half. If you could just talk about
if your expectations are the same as they were, you know, with the half billion every six months.
increase and how the phasing will be in 24 and in 25, what do you think peak rate will be? And then if you could also talk about how would it hold up in an extended CR? Like let's just say we had for some reason.
budget continuing resolution for all of next fiscal year of the government. Would the program be impacted at all at the ramp? Thank you. No, I don't think the ramp will be impacted at all. I think that's...
that's an ongoing commitment today and that will continue into the future of Gotham. We don't see any impact with CR and the HomeSafe program. In terms of the ramp, you know we have said that as we head towards the end of this year we hope to get some moves under our belt and the ramp will go up quite significantly into the summer of next year.
year. So I think that's the sort of ramp and you know we reckon it'll be you know as we know it's a 20 billion dollar program over the ceiling value over 90 and a bit years and that mass with I guess inflation will mean that
you know, that the cadence might be a little bit above 2 billion in total. But I think as we get closer to the end of this transition period, I think only then can we really truly come back and give you more accurate data around that. But that's the way to think about it just now and your models.
I think the margin, you know, we've kind of resolved the, as you know, we've got inflationary protection in the contract with CPI adjustments and we've dealt with that with the government now. That's for this kickoff period so I think that's the good news. We get to revisit that next year again of course. So at least the revenue basis is clear and now we're working on the supply chain side. So we should be able to come back to you.
obviously well before the end of the year with sort of a two margin expectations as well. So you just have to give us a little bit more time Gotham, but that's the kind of thinking at the moment. Thank you. Thank you.
The next question comes from Alana Michael Duda with Vertical Research. You may proceed. Good morning, gentlemen. Jamie? Good morning, everyone. Good morning, gentlemen.
cuss on the line of Michael Duda with Vertical Research, you may proceed. Michael Duda Good morning gentlemen, Jamie. Good morning. Good morning.
So, just to follow up on some of your technology comments, I thought the plastics in the mirror order was quite helpful, and ammonia's been quite visible and strong with your company and others as well. Are those two areas where we can see the cadence picked up on those opportunities?
You're right, the cadence of awards in ammonia. And I think they're actually getting that first module going with plastics recycling. I think obviously more to come on that. It's very exciting because obviously the volume increase is significant once you start to get into the execute phase with some of these developments. But Yes, Red put it into a change over the next few years.
But as Mark alluded to, in his remarks also, we're seeing it in olefins, we're seeing it in greener refining or cleaner refining solutions, and across our portfolio, it's really not one or the other. On the sustainable services side of our business, we presented that last quarter to show you the...
Relativity and size of those bubbles that we presented, if you remember, and that side of the business that's really driven by decarbonized solutions around energy security is going extremely well. So I think it's a combination and it's certainly not a one-trick pony. I think it's a multifaceted market driver.
And we're seeing it not just in one market either. It's a very global phenomenon, as you can tell from some of our press releases. My follow up is with some of the newer technologies that you've acquired recently.
how the visibility, are those early stage, are those that we may see some more order cadence come through the next six, 12, or 18 months? Are they longer term plays? Like how do you guys think when you're looking at these technologies is it to like, you know, kind of get closer to the...
implementation stage or stuff or opportunities for KBR to kind of enhance and then really push forward. Thank you. Yeah, I think each is a little bit. They're both in reasonably early stages. Two we've acquired and one we've developed. I think...
the SAF, the Sustainable Aviation Fuel. We've been courting the Swedish Biomass Company for a long time and I think we've now obviously acquired the rights to that technology globally. And it's quite unique, you know, it's actually been approved by DARPA, which is, you know, makes it more applicable to the fans and I think...
physically drop it into a tank of existing aviation fuel and it will work. And so you don't have to do a lot of work or pre-blend and all the things that you have to do with some of the other solutions. But it's still early but we think its attributes are very very exciting.
Certainly where we know directly in places like Japan the government have Legislated that 10% of all refined products now have to be sustainable aviation fuel We've seen many airlines come out with partnerships and things that is driving that market and and certainly You know that that industry is under pressure to be more sustainable going forward
people who use those services and the investors and those stocks are also demanding that. So we do think it's an exciting potential for the future, but I can't give you, other than its attributes, I can't give you any numbers yet to support that. But it's exciting and of course we've got a hugely strong track record of commercializing new technologies, and we've got a very strong global sales force to affect that.
So I think it's directionally really, really exciting and I think similarly with acetic acid, acetic acid is actually something that hangs beside what we do in ammonia. It's a different product stream and the beauty of that particular technology is it consumes CO2 in the process. So it's going to be attractive just from that attribute that we can actually take CO2 out and actually use it as a consumable.
So again, we think there are great opportunities for that as we go forward. And then the third is really looking at case scores. Scores are Olafin's technology and really we've done a bit of work trying to make that even more sustainable by introducing hydrogen burners as part of the solution, which we think will be attractive to our customer base going forward. So I think all exciting, like all directionally terrific, but which ones goes quicker and which one goes slower. I don't know what numbers they...
contracts and STS and the clock of minds is pretty transparent. You talked about some others like BP. I guess I'm just curious to see more of a trend where kind of a larger portion of future revenue in this segment will be secured by long term contract arrangements maybe versus
with shorter sales cycle solutions I think it represented more of the business is that the direction of the market more of a strategic initiative how do you see that going forward? Yeah I think that's exactly right so that was the point I was trying to make. I do think directionally we're going to see more of that.
you know, as that market gets busy I think we're not going to jump from one opportunity to the next. We're going to be strategic, particularly with our customer choice and the sort of work that we do and the quality of earnings that's associated with that. With that comes key people and I think locking in resources is all part of
the attractiveness of these longer-term arrangements and as a consequence of that I do think given the activity levels in the market you'll get to see more of that not just with us but I think with us for sure and where we've positioned I think that's going to be you know at the higher end and I think you're going to see more long-term contracts coming through the KPR portfolio and STS.
As I said, that's really what we're seeing today. And I think that the customers are very well funded, of course, and I think trying to get in front of what they want to do from a sustainability perspective and look at their ESG goals, I think we can help them with that. And I think they'll want the people that help deliver that. So trending-wise, I think it's a very astute question and exactly the message we're trying to deliver. Thank you.
Okay, and Stuart, Mark, it's put you on the spot with this, but obviously you're getting lots of questions about and all the different. Drivers within it, there's possibility. I know there's competitive factors to this too, that we can see more of a breakout at some of these different moving pieces within the segment just to understand.
financially where some of the implications are. Kind of all these moving pieces within the segment, which all seem to be contributing in a significant way. Well, Ben, are you asking about the logic of the two together or something? I kind of missed the second part of that. Well, no, I'm referring more to ammonia, hydrogen.
becomes more prominent component of the picture.
It is up to us to improve our communications here. And so it's a great business. There's lots of parts to understand. Things are always changing. Fortunately for us, for the better, as conditions improve. And
We are committed to improving the communications there as best we can. You saw us show more in the last quarter, and we'll continue to evolve that as best we can. Breaking out components of a $1.5 billion business, has some merit, but I think more scale would be helpful.
And we're certainly on a great track to do that with the growth rates we see here. So stay tuned. You know, it's a work in progress. The team's working very hard to execute and sell and maybe a little more time allocation to marketing might make sense someday. But I think we're doing the right things, you know, from a priority perspective in delivering these types of results.
Yeah, understood very attractive asset. That's why I pointed out that appreciate you taking that question. Yep. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Marina Perez-Mora with Bank of America. You may proceed. Hi, I actually have Andre Madrid on for Mariana.
And so, as I said, we did expect a pretty low number in Q1, and that's exactly what happened. I mentioned timing items in my prepared remarks. You know, we got the set of payments. We did have an extra payroll. We had some collections that went to the left and accelerated in Q4. So I mentioned those things. So we had quite a number of things going against us. We don't expect that to occur in future quarters.
and to some degree the opposite. So it is, looks like it's deep hill to climb, but we've had very strong clash flow every year. The business model hasn't changed. We're capital light, and we're gonna work very hard to get those DSOs down, and we've got about five, six days to bring down over the course of the year, but.
teams focused on it and you know we didn't change guidance so we're confident as such. And I think Q1 and Q4 are probably the lower quarters Q2 Q3 being seasonally the higher quarters with typically five week series and things like that but also no lesser holidays in those quarters so yeah so we hope to make good progress into next quarter and you know we'll obviously update then.
on it and you know we didn't change guidance so we're confident as such. And I think Q1 and Q4 are probably the lower quarters Q2 Q3 being seasonally the higher quarters with typically five week series and things like that but also no lesser holidays in those quarters. So yes so we hope to make good progress into next quarter and you know we'll obviously update then.
Thank you. There are currently no more questions waiting at this time. So I would now like to turn the call back over to Stuart for closing remarks. Thank you. Thank you very much. And again, thank you for joining us this morning. I'll be brief. I think we can all see we've got off to a great start in 23. I think lots of attributes with revenue growth, margin expansion, very strong boot to bill and really just the absolute focus of our people on delivering, which is really...