Q1 2023 American States Water Company Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the American States Water Company Conference Call discussing the company's first quarter 2023 results.
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Speaker 2: Presenting today from American States Water Company are Bob Sprouse, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Eva Tang, Senior Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer.
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At this time, I will turn the call over to Bob Sprowls, President and Chief Executive Officer of American States Water Company.
Thank you, Gary.
Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us today.
I'll begin with some brief comments on the quarter. Eva will then discuss some financial details, and then I'll wrap it up with updates on regulatory activity, ASUS.
and then we'll take your questions.
I'm pleased to report that our adjusted earnings for the first quarter of 2023 were $0.13 per share higher than adjusted earnings for the first quarter of 2022.
The higher earnings performance in 2023 was aided by the receipt of a proposed decision in Golden State Water Company's Water General Rate Case, or GRC, from the California Public Utilities Commission, or CPUC, during April .
and strong earnings at our contracted services business, American States Utility Services, or ASUS.
The proposed decision allows us to continue investing in the utility infrastructure to provide safe and reliable water services for the communities we serve.
It sets new water rates for the years 2022 through 2024 and is retroactive to January 1, 2022.
We remain committed to spending $140 to $160 million this year in infrastructure investments at our regulated utilities.
fortifying our water and electric systems to serve our customers for generations to come.
ASUS also performed $18.9 million of construction work during the quarter.
and is on pace to meet its targeted earnings contribution of $0.45 to $0.49 per share for 2023.
Eva will discuss the quarterly earnings and liquidity and I'll turn the call over to her.
Thank you, Bob. Hello, everyone. Let me start with our first quarter results.
Consolidated earnings as recorded were 93 cents per share as compared to 38 cents per share for the first quarter of 2022.
An increase of 55 cents per share.
Included in the result of the first quarter was $0.36 per share related to the impact of retroactive rates from the proposed decision in the water generator for the full year of 2022 of which $0.08 per share relates to the first quarter of 2022.
The 55 cents per share increase also included a favorable variance of 6 cents per share and a newfound investment held to fund a retirement plan.
We recorded gains on this investment of $1.6 million for the quarter as compared to losses of $1.7 million in 2022.
Excluding these two items, adjusted consolidated earnings for the quarter were $0.34 per share as compared to adjusted earnings of $0.41 per share for the first quarter of last year.
an increase of 13 cents per share.
For our water utility subsidiaries, Golden State Water Company reported earnings were 74 cents per share as compared to 23 cents per share for the first quarter of 2022, a 51 cent increase.
Both items just discussed affected earnings at the water segment.
So factoring the same effect from the two items, adjusted earnings for the first quarter at the water segment were 35 cents per share, which was an increase of 9 cents per share as compared to adjusted earnings of 26 cents per share for the same period in 2022.
Since 2023 is the second year of the GRC, an estimated second year rate increase effective January this year has been accounted for in the quarter.
The 9c per share increase in 2023 adjusted earnings largely represents the difference from the 2021 adopted rate and the 2023 estimated second year increases for the first quarter.
partially offset by increases in operating and interest and other expenses.
Our electric segments earnings were $0.06 per share for the first quarter as compared to $0.07 per share for the same period last year. The decrease primarily related to not having new rates in effect yet for 2023. That's the way I wait.
the pending electric TRC that would set new rates for 2023 through 2026, while also experiencing continued increases in overall operating expenses and interest costs.
When a decision is issued in the electric GRC, new rates are expected to be retroactive to January 1, 2023, and cumulative adjustments will be recorded at that time.
Our needs from our contracted service segment increased 7 cents per share for the quarter, which Bob will discuss later.
Consolidated revenue for the first quarter increased by $52.8 million as compared to the same period last year. Revenue for the water segment increased by $38.8 million, which includes the impact of retroactive new rates for the full year of 2022 of $30.3 million.
And estimated 2023 revenue increases of $8.7 million for the three months ended.
March 31 this year. The increasing electric revenue was primarily attributed to advice letter findings and expense allocation to up as a result of the proposed water GRC decision.
The increase in the general office expenses allocated to the electric segment also includes a corresponding offsetting increase in adopted electric revenues, resulting in no-impact Mahjong factor later.
In addition, there was an increase in revenue of $13 million from our contracted services.
looking at total operating expenses other than supply costs.
Consolidated expenses increased $12.2 million as compared to the first quarter of 2022.
The increase was largely due to an increase in construction costs at our contracted services segment resulting from higher construction activity due to timing differences when construction work was performed in 2023 as compared to the first quarter last year.
and higher operation, administrative and general, and depreciation expenses.
The proposed decision in the water GRC issued in April also approved overall higher composite depreciation rates based on a revised depreciation study. The increase in composite depreciation rates increases the adopted water revenue requirements.
with a corresponding increase in adopted depreciation expense, resulting no impact to net earnings.
Interest expense net of interest income increased by $2.3 million due to higher average interest rate during the quarter and increases in overall borrowing level.
Other income net of other expenses increased by $2 million due primarily to gains on investment held for retirement benefit plans partially offset by increasing the non-service cost component for Golden State Water's benefit plan. persons.co.uk
shows the adjusted ETS bridge comparing the first quarter of 2023 and 2022. Turning to liquidity on slide 11, net cash provided by outfitting activities was $7 million as compared to $38 million for the first quarter of 2022.
During the first quarter of last year, our regulated utility received $9.8 million in COVID-19 relief funds from the state of California to provide assistance to customers for delinquent water and electric custom bills in continuing the pandemic.
There were no relief funds received this year. The decrease in operating cash flow was also due to a 17% decrease in build water consumption, as well as the continued delays in receiving the Wilder TRC final decision.
Once the final decision is received, Golden State Water will request recovery through a third chart of all retroactive residue accumulated since January 2022.
In addition, we will also file for the second year rate increases for 2023.
In January 2023, Golden State Water received $130 million of proceeds from the issuance of unsecured pilot placement notes.
The proceeds were ultimately used to partially pay down AWR's credit facility and further support the Golden State Water's capital program. AWR's credit facility with a borrowing capacity of $280 million expired in July 2023.
as a result of an amendment that extended the maturity day by two months. We requested the expansion to provide us adequate time to possibly put in place two new credit agreements.
SMP provides the same credit rating for both consolidated AWR and Golden State Water.
We are considering a separate credit facility for Golden State Water to allow for a separate credit rating and possibly improve the rating outlook for our flagship water utility.
While lining up two credit facilities instead of one takes a little longer time, we believe that the company's sound capital structure and the A-plus credit ratings for American states and Golden State waters, combined with its financial discipline and history and relationship with lenders.
will enable us to access the dead market and put in place new credit facilities with reasonable terms. We anticipate the existing credit agreement will be terminated at an earlier date when it is superseded by the new agreement.
At this time, we do not expect the American state water to issue additional equity for at least the next 18 to 24 months to fund its current businesses.
We will continue to assess the need for equity issuance.
And even when a decision is made to issue equity, we plan to raise capital over time. We will consider doing an ad market offering that enables AWRs to control the timing and size of each sale of its common share over several years.
With that, I'll turn the call back to Bob. Thank you Eva. I will discuss a few key regulatory matters.
Earlier, I discussed the proposed decision we received in the Water General Rate Case. Among other items, the proposed decision proves and adopts in its entirety the settlement agreement between Golden State Water and the Public Advocate's Office at the CPUC.
that had been filed with the CPUC in November 2021.
and resolved all issues related to the 2022 annual revenue requirement in the rate case application retroactive to January 1, 2022. Furthermore, the proposed decision addressed the three remaining unresolved issues related to Golden State Water's request for a medical insurance balancing account.
a general liability insurance cost-balancing account.
and consolidation of two of Golden State Water's customer service areas.
The proposed decision approved both balancing accounts
and denied Golden State Water's request to consolidate the two customer service areas.
The settlement agreement approved in the proposed decision authorized Golden State Water to invest $404.8 million in capital infrastructure over the three-year cycle.
plus $9.4 million of capital projects that have been completed and filed as advice letter projects.
the revenue for which was in effect in February of 2022.
It increases Golden State Water's adopted operating revenues for 2022 by $30.3 million.
which includes an increase for higher adopted supply costs of $9.6 million.
and compared to the 2021 adopted revenues, excluding the advice letter project revenues.
It adopts new operating expense levels for 2022, including higher depreciation expense, resulting from overall higher composite depreciation rates based on a new depreciation study adopted in the proposed decision.
And it allows for potential additional increases in adopted revenues for 2023 and 2024.
subject to an earnings test, and changes to the forecasted inflationary index values.
We are now in the process of preparing our next water general rate case for the years 2025-2027 to be filed in the third quarter of this year.
As you may have seen, Golden State Water received a proposed decision on Tuesday of this week on the cost of capital proceeding.
The proposed decision adopts the requested capital structure and cost of debt filed in the application.
It adopts a return on equity of 8.85%. It allows for the continuation of the water cost of capital mechanism.
and adopts the new cost of capital from January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2024.
As discussed on prior calls, we have continued to record in the first quarter a reduction to water revenues, which decreased the first quarter earnings by 3 cents per share, to reflect the estimated revenue impact of a lower cost of debt of 5.1%.
as requested in our cost of capital application.
As compared to 6.6% included in 2021 rates,
as compared to 6.6% included in 2021 rates currently being billed to water customers.
A similar adjustment based on the 2021 adopted rates was made throughout 2022.
Also, an additional reduction to revenues of $1.1 million, or 2 cents per share, was included in the impact of retroactive new rates for the full year of 2022.
and arriving at the $0.36 per share adjustment.
that represents the incremental impact of revenues subject to refund related to the cost of capital proceeding.
As previously mentioned, the proposed decision allows for the continuation of the water cost and capital mechanism.
For the period from October 1, 2021 through to September 30, 2022,
The Moody's AA utility bond rate increased by more than 100 basis points from the benchmark.
As you may know, if there is a positive or negative change of more than 100 basis points,
The return on equity is adjusted by one half of the difference. As a result, the return on equity is adjusted by one half of the difference.
Of the proposed decision, the water cost of capital mechanism will continue through 2024. Moving on to slide 14, our electric utility subsidiary filed its general rate case on August 30, 2022 for new rates for the period 2023 through 2026. For more information, visit www.fema.gov
In addition to new rates, there are a number of items that are requested, such as additional capital expenditures as part of the four-year rate cycle and a new capital structure.
In addition, we have requested the recovery of more than $22 million in capital already spent related to the wildfire mitigation plans.
The CPUC has approved a decision for a general rate case memorandum account that will make new rates once approved in a CPUC final decision effective January 1, 2023.
Turning our attention to slide 15, we present the growth in Golden State Water's average rate base as authorized by the CPUC for 2018 through 2021.
Weighted average water rate base has grown from $752.2 million in 2018.
to $980.4 million in 2021.
Based on the general rape case settlement agreement, as approved and adopted by the proposed decision, the 2022 rape base amount is $1,152,300,000.
which, if approved, would result in a compound annual growth rate of 11.3% since 2018.
The rate-based amounts shown for 2021 and 2022 do not include any rate recovery for advice letter projects.
Let's move on to ASUS.
I am pleased to announce that ASU has contributed earnings of $0.15 per share for the first quarter.
as compared to eight cents per share for the same period last year.
an increase of 7 cents per share. The increase was largely due to an increase in construction activity in the first quarter of 2023.
as compared to the same period last year.
Due to timing differences of when construction work was performed,
and an increase in management fee revenue, resulting from the resolution of various economic price adjustments,
partially offset by higher overall operating expenses and interest costs.
as compared to the same period of 2022.
As mentioned earlier, ASUS is on target to contribute 45 cents to 49 cents per share for the year.
The completion of filings for economic price adjustments, requests for equitable adjustment, asset transfers and contract modifications awarded for new projects.
provide ASUS with additional revenues and dollar margin.
We remain confident that we can effectively compete for new military-based contract awards based on our proven track record of managing water and wastewater-related services.
for a military basis since 2004. I'd like to turn our attention to dividends.
which remain a compelling part of our investment story.
The company has achieved a compound annual growth rate of 9.2%.
In our calendar year, dividend payments.
to shareholders over the last 10 years.
shareholders over the last 10 years. These increases are consistent.
with our policy to achieve a compound annual growth rate in the dividend of more than 7% over the long term.
I'd like to conclude our prepared remarks by thanking you for your interest in American States water and we'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
question is from Angie Storozinski with Seaport. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning I guess to you guys. So first with the proposed decision and the cost of capital it's interesting because I don't even know when it really applies.
your best guess, is it truly retroactive to January 1?
of 2022, i.e. this provision that you guys have been booking for the lower cost of debt.
would basically stick based on it.
Yeah, so it's not entirely clear to us, Angie?
One interesting item to note in the proposed decision is it does not expressly state that the lower cost of debt.
for 2022 and 2023 and the lower cost of equity for 2022, partially offset by the higher return on equity.
for 2023, all of which are set forth in the proposed decision, doesn't really state that they should be retroactive to the beginning of 2022.
Since the ordering paragraphs solely focus on future rate changes, it could be interpreted that it was the ALJ's intent to make all these changes solely perspective.
and we don't know what the ALJ's intent is. So, more to come on that.
Okay, but if under the assumption that those are prospective changes, meaning the rates would be adjusted starting only basically mid-year, right, after the other commission signs off on that.
What would be, if I were to reverse the provisions associated with the lower cost of debt, what would be the add back to 2023 from an EPS perspective?
Yeah, so we have the add back for 2022 to start with. That was roughly 15 cents. 15 cents. Yeah. And it would book additional 3 cents for the first quarter of this year. So NG in total up to March 31st, that will be 18 cents that we'll be adding back.
It's you know, it's possible but it's possible. We won't get a final in the second quarter, but we think we will
If we don't, we'll have a little more clarity as to where they're headed on this so that we can…
deal with it appropriately in the second quarter.
Okay well that's just the first half of the question. The second one is when when would the cost of capital adjustment mechanism kick in right? So would it be I mean there really only two options right either coincidental with the new rates so meaning half middle of the year.
Or actually, no, there would be three. There could be one 123, could be May of 2023, or you need to file and request that increase, and only then it would kick in. So there is a third option meaning it could get delayed until September timeframe.
Right, and there's also the 2022 adjustment, although it's very small for us. Five basis points. So your current guess would be that it happens, that it coincides with the reduction?
in the cost of debt, meaning roughly mid-year? Yeah, I mean, to be fair, we've had this for...
day and a half but yeah I would think the two would be sort of move in lockstep although you know we may know more as we move through time here probably will
So now assuming that we are doing it starting mid-year, so the cost of debt down, cost of equity up, well whatever by that 51 bits minus the 5 bits, right? So right, I mean if I get it right, 46 bits increase in the ROE starting mid-year. swat screen
So how big an increase does that have, big an impact on an annualized basis, annualized basis does it have from an EPS perspective? Okay, so I'll take that one. And you're both to the 5.1 depth, right? So that's our recorded number. So we'll be the upside from the 8.9 to the 9.36.
for 1046 basis points.
For the basis point on our 1.2 billion rate base, I think it translate about
eight to nine cents for the full year. So it depends on whether it's supposed to be for the full year or perspective. So you have to count that into your equation.
Okay, well I mean it's complicated but frankly we're just so much further in this whole process than we were on the fourth quarter call that it's, you know, again...
just frankly remarkable that now both the GRC and this issue have been almost resolved. Well almost. So moving on to the electric GRC, just looking at the schedule. So we're still...
I mean, we're still expecting a decision in that proceeding to be issued only next year, right? Again, realistically speaking.
Yes, it's possible we could get something in 2023, but I would say unlikely.
Okay, and my last question, this two cents drag at the corporate level, I mean yes we did expect an increase in the interest expense there, but now that you will have a true urban revenue should I assume that this quarterly drag is actually slightly slower because I get actually cash.
recognition of some of the deferred revenues? You're talking about the unfavorable variance of two cents at the parent. Yes, yes. So I'm basically asking is it a recurring two cents per quarter or now that it is? It is because it really is a function of the...
of some of the deferred revenues? You're talking about the unfavorable variance of two cents at the parent. Yes. Yes. So I'm basically asking is it a recurring two cents per quarter or now that's- It is. It is because it really is a function of the borrowings we have at the parent. They took a
that are not tied to borrowings at the utility.
Okay, that's all I have for now. Thank you. That's all I have for now. Thank you.
The next question is from Jonathan Reader with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, Bob and Eva. Congrats on getting the two PDs long awaited, but I guess when it rains, it pours in California, right? That is true in a lot of different... It's like us. It's been raining every other day. So just wanted to...
to keep going on the cost of capital proposed decision a little bit. So obviously it took a lot of time to get this proposed decision. I don't know if you have any sense.
how much maybe influence the commission might have had on this proposed decision, and what the thoughts are on the likelihood of the commission adopting the decision.
proposed decision as it is, you know, or whether, you know, like some past cost capital proceedings on the water side, whether they, you know, modify the PD before adopting something.
Yeah, so, I mean, utilities, our company is analyzing the proposed decision and
determining whether we like it or not. And so I'm sure the other three utilities are doing the same and then public advocates is doing the same. So then the question becomes, how do we make sure that we're
Is anyone going to be lobbying the Commission to get this changed? I'd say it's too early to tell.
I don't know that the other commissioners on their own would necessarily have an issue with this decision.
There's just going to be a lot more on this here. We're just so early into the process. We don't completely understand what
the decision says in terms of this retroactivity to be honest and so that that will be something we'll have to get more clarity on.
Sorry, I can't be more definitive than that. What's your view, Jonathan? I know you have a report out on it. I don't know. If history is any precedent, then they'll modify it some. You certainly raise a good point.
If you guys are you know pio? If they don't you know raise issues with it, then you know why wouldn't the commission I guess kind of adopt it, so
So, yeah, I guess we'll see. And I don't know about, I don't know where public advocates is on this too, you know, I don't know how they feel about it.
they you know they were they had lower
They had lower...
recommended adopted ROEs for 2022, but I mean that was back in 2021 when everybody filed. And we now know where interest rates were in 2022. Usually it's
It's supposed to be that you're supposed to try to predict where the interest rates are going but we now know. Anyway, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful than that. This isn't like 2018 though Jonathan, which I know you remember, which was just awful. The proposed decision was awful.
Right. Right. No, it's right. That one was very one sided where, right to your point, I mean, this one, the ROE, the ROE is proposing to, you know, kind of meet in the middle to some degree and everything. And then you have the cost of capital mechanism kind of resets and everything. So yeah, I just didn't know if you had any thoughts or if there was any.
you know, early rumblings or, you know, just because it did take so long if, you know, there was some sort of messaging that, you know, this is very much indicative of where the commission wants to come out, whereas, you know, past ones, maybe that hasn't been the case.
Right, is it just the view of the ALJ and the assigned commissioner or are the other commissioners have a
had a chance to weigh in at this point. I don't know the answer to that, I'm sorry.
You know, I'm always nervous when these things come out, as you know, and this didn't...
Well, I was here in 2018 and that just, anything compared to that is, you know, you take a little bit of a sigh of relief. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. So yeah, no, we'll stay tuned and good luck on getting it across the finish line. The other topic I wanted to touch on, and Eva, I know you've been talking about this
Discussing your prepared remarks a bit, but you know the discussion in the queue around the credit facility and the need to do a two-month extension I mean it just really struck me as odd I mean it seems like you know most companies extend or you know renew the facilities well in advance of the expiration date
I know you mentioned in the prepared remarks that it takes additional time to do the two credit facilities, but again, I would have thought that this could have been done well in advance of the current facility kind of expiring. So I guess the question is do you think
The two month extension, is that going to be enough time to get the new ones in place and have these efforts been impacted in any way by the upheaval in the banking industry the last few months.
Yes, Jonathan, we extended two months, but we expect to get it done well ahead of that. So we just don't want to be stretched to the last day of the credit facility and doesn't allow anything. So... Anything serious?
So it's really more conservative approach. We expect to get it done much earlier than the two months extension deadline
You know, we met, this came about when Bob and I met with S&P in December and looking to how we can get a separate rating for Golden State Water and took a lot of research and talking to S&P to come to this kind of intention that...
rate base will grow when we file the rate case in August . So to support the next few years, the CapEx and with uncertainty of PFAS, we are asking for much bigger credit line amount.
It probably would take a syndicated effort to put this together for two credit facilities. That's why it takes longer when we start this process. Just to add in there, we are a bigger company than we were five years ago and we now have to have larger financing.
capabilities because of that and because of our CAPEX program. I do think the people in the banking industry probably didn't help us at all here.
because of that and because of our CapEx program. And I do think the upheaval in the banking industry probably didn't help us at all here.
So it's just a number of things, but I you know the Splitting the credit facility into two pieces. I think long term that's going to be a real real advantage to the company and it you know it takes more time to do that and should we have started earlier maybe but
I don't think this is anything people should be worried about on the facility. All it is is a function of the size and we did increase the complexity a bit, I would say. Okay. Yeah, no, I mean, and that's the thing. I mean, obviously, the credit rating is extremely strong where it is. You wouldn't have thought like...
Getting a new facility would be an issue. So I appreciate The different or the additional comments as to you know, what was kind of going on with it Sounds like sounds like you know, maybe in the weeks ahead Should have something new in place If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, so that's good
Last comment just on PFAS, I know the other companies have been addressing it. Based on your service territory, how big of an issue is that and how would that potentially impact the CapEx budget or the upcoming rate filing and stuff?
Yeah, I can give you a little bit of detail on that. At this point we've tested 78 wells at the company. Basically at the state's direction they identify what areas you need to be doing these tests on.
And then we have found 25 of the 78 that are over the state's notification levels and 9 over the state's response levels.
Now these notification response levels are actually higher than
what the EPA of four parts per trillion is. And so we're going through the process.
So we've got 34 wells of the 78 that have issues.
And it costs between 2 million and 5 million per well to...
retrofit them for this issue. We also have more wells than the 78. We've got a total of 170.
So we can't really estimate at this point what the cost of getting everything up to where the standards are for the four parts per trillion.
But, you know, it's going to be sizable CapEx. I don't know, Jonathan, whether the four parts per trillion is going to stick or not. I know it came in a bit lower than what the industry.
I don't know, Jonathan, whether the four parts per trillion is going to stick or not. I know it came in a bit lower than what the industry was expecting.
Yeah, how does the, I guess the four parts per trillion compared to that in my state levels? Because I mean, I guess the two to $5 million cost you kind of threw out there. That's just to retrofit them in accordance with the state standards or would that also it is, but it doesn't it doesn't jump.
considerably when you when you reduce to down to the four parts per trillion not not a big jump there because you're kind of putting in the materials at that point okay and so out of those 78 that you test I know that 34 have issues with the state standards
Do you know how many of those would have issues with the four parts per trillion standard? Yeah, all of them. Okay, so it could extend beyond those 78 even. That's why you throw out the 170, I guess.
It is possible, because the current state standard is higher than what the federal is.
Okay, all right. Are you going to try to encapsulate this at all in the upcoming like rate case filing or Would this be potentially something Separate, you know until you see what the what the EPA, you know settles on if it is four parts per trillion and
kind of what the compliance timeframe is and everything. So we're still working on the rate case at this point. Jonathan, we're looking at the possibility of putting a strong testimony on additional setbacks.
And you know the water supply makes impact etc. So we don't have a number at this point, but we'll disclose that when we file the decision by August 1st. Alright.
Okay, all right. Thanks for the time today on the call. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Bob Sprowls for any closing remarks.
Thank you, Gary. I just want to wrap it up today by thanking you all for your participation and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Have a good rest of your week and a good start to your summer.
I just want to wrap it up today by thanking you all for your participation and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Have a good rest of your week and a good start to your summer. Thank you.
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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