Q1 2023 Granite Construction Incorporated Earnings Call
Speaker 2: Good morning, my name is Andrea and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Granite Construction Incorporated 2023 first quarter conference call.
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Speaker 3: It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Mike Barker. Please go ahead. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I'm pleased to be here today with President and Chief Executive Officer Kyle Larkin. Our Chief Financial Officer, Lisa Curtis.
Speaker 3: We are happy to report that Lisa is doing well and she will be back with us soon. Please note that today's earnings presentation will be available on the Events and Presentations page of our Investor Relations website.
Speaker 3: We begin today with a brief discussion regarding forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. Some of the discussion today may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are estimates reflecting the current expectations and best judgment of senior management regarding the future events.
Speaker 3: occurrences, opportunities, targets, growth, demand, strategic plans, circumstances, activities, performance, shareholder value, outcomes, outlook, guidance, objectives, committed and awarded projects or CAP, and results.
Speaker 3: Actual results could differ materially from statements made today. Please refer to Granite's most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings for a more complete description of risk factors that could affect these forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Certain non-GAAP measures may be discussed during today's call and from time to time by the company's executives.
Speaker 3: These include but are not limited to adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted net income, and adjusted earnings per share.
Speaker 3: The required disclosures regarding our non-GAAP measures are included as part of our earnings press releases and company presentations, which are available on our website, graniteconstruction.com, under Investor Relations. We will also be discussing comparable results, which excludes the effects of granite in-liner, which was sold in March 2022.
Speaker 3: Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Kyle Larkin. Good morning, and welcome to our first quarter conference call. The typical winter quarter is often a slower one for granted, as many of our businesses are seasonal.
Speaker 4: Early in the year, many of our locations are focused on maintenance and preparing for the construction season while waiting for cold and wet weather to pass.
Speaker 4: As everyone is aware, the first quarter of 2023 was not a typical winter quarter. Extreme weather events occurred across the country, with the western U.S. particularly impacted. The atmospheric river became a familiar term of art, and these storms, hitting one after another, traveled across the country bringing extreme weather with them.
Speaker 4: Many of our home markets were in the path of these storms, with historic precipitation across Nevada, Utah, and Arizona, and even more intense impacts in California.
Speaker 4: For context, in the Wasatch Mountains of Utah, snowpack more than doubled historical averages and the same was seen in the Northern Sierra.
Speaker 4: The Southern Sierra received nearly 300% of normal snow totals, while many locations from Southern California through Central California collected more than 150% of normal rainfall totals.
Speaker 4: All of this precipitation delayed work while causing true hardship to many of our home market communities as well as many of our employees.
Speaker 4: It also impacted our revenue and growth projections for the quarter. This is obviously unfortunate, but I said in the last call if it's going to rain, we want it to rain earlier in the year during our slowest quarter.
Speaker 4: As I will discuss today, opportunities also arise with the extreme weather.
Speaker 4: With the good weather in April and most of our regions, our teams are starting to catch up on planned construction. We are confident that we have the capacity to deliver on our growth expectations this year despite the poor weather of the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Now, let's jump into the construction segment and the performance of our operating groups.
Speaker 4: Although the weather did not cooperate in Q1, the market is strong, as illustrated by the substantial growth of our cap this quarter to $5.1 billion. This is an increase of $619 million and 14% from the fourth quarter, and a record cap total for granted. The growth in cap during the first quarter of 2023 has been a major change in the market since the beginning of 2020.
Speaker 4: built upon our momentum from the several most recent quarters.
Speaker 4: This is strategic growth. We are winning work while being selective in our bidding. We are pursuing fewer jobs while still winning more work at higher margins than the prior year.
Speaker 4: This trend is a really nice result for our pursuit teams across the company.
Speaker 4: I believe that we have a significant opportunity in this straw market environment to continue building high quality CAP throughout the remainder of 2023.
Speaker 4: In the California group, we ended the quarter with another record cap of $1.9 billion.
Speaker 4: This reflects a 10% increase from the group's fourth quarter cap and a 29% increase over the same period of the prior year.
Speaker 4: Despite the deficit in the proposed California budget, bidding activity in the state remains robust, aided by the Federal Infrastructure Bill, or IIJA.
Speaker 4: IJA funds a variety of projects and creates a variety of opportunities for us.
Speaker 4: One IIJA opportunity that at first glance would appear to be outside our traditional transportation scope includes middle mile broadband projects.
Speaker 4: Although these projects sound as though they would be outside of our core capabilities, they offer scopes of work that align well with our construction expertise. In the first quarter, we were awarded three middle-mile broadband infrastructure projects where our scope of work consists primarily of excavation. These projects added $132 million to California's cap.
Speaker 4: In these projects, fiber-object cables are laid in conduits connecting global Internet networks to local networks across the state of California. While each state is different, California is moving quickly to capitalize on the funding provided by the IIJA for these types of projects, and granted is well positioned to partner with Caltrans to construct them.
Speaker 4: Our long partnership with Caltrans and local municipalities also allowed Granite to participate in emergency storm response across the Golden State. In the midst of record rainfall, Granite was tapped by Caltrans for critical response projects throughout California in the first quarter, and we secured approximately $100 million of emergency work with $18 million of revenue recognized in the first quarter.
Speaker 4: We are proud to support our communities with timely, high-quality work when and where the need is the greatest.
Speaker 4: Moving to the Mountain Group, our largest group by revenue in 2022, we increased CAP by 364 million, or 34% since year-end, with a 40% increase since the first quarter of 2022.
Speaker 4: In recent years, Alaska's funding has been limited due to decreases in oil production in a challenging tourism industry. New federal funding for infrastructure has increased opportunities in Alaska, including in best value procurement work. Utah region, including the Salt Lake City market, continues to be a highlight in the diverse mountain group adding $160 million to its cap during the quarter. Salt Lake City has been a growing market for several years and has been one to grant its key home markets for decades. Last year, we announced significant materials investments in the area and we expect our Utah business to grow along with the local economy. Finally, the central group continued to grow tap in its home market.
Speaker 4: Brandon has been working on various projects in the construction of Camp Labs for over a decade.
Speaker 4: Given the high level of government funding available, our federal division has numerous significant opportunities to build its portfolio with several different branches of the federal government.
Speaker 4: The vertically integrated Arizona region is capitalizing on a booming market. Texas region has been very successful in winning projects in its home markets. The Illinois region has built an impressive cap portfolio in the Chicago area, and the federal division continues to expand relationships across multiple agencies. Overall, despite the slow start of the year, the near and longer term prospects for all of our groups are bright. We have successfully grown our cap during the quarter, and I believe we will continue to grow quality cap in 2023 as further projects funded by the IIJA are released for bid.
Speaker 4: Now onto the materials segment. While the first quarter of the year is generally a slower time for our materials business, this quarter was particularly difficult.
Speaker 4: In too many of our markets in the western US, wet and cold weather prevented us from delivering the results to be expected to start the year.
Speaker 4: We entered 2023 with healthy order volumes, but many projects were disrupted. Overall, weather has improved significantly across our footprint in April .
Speaker 4: Our teams are off and running following the wet first quarter, and I expect them to make a lot of progress towards our projections during the second quarter.
Speaker 4: In 2023, we have continued investing in our materials business to small bolt-on transactions in Nevada and the Pacific Northwest. The Brunswick Canyon Quarry and Asphalt Plant in Carson City, Nevada, purchased in Q1, supports Granite's vertically integrated home market in northern Nevada. We also recently announced the purchase of Coast Mountain Resources in April , an aggregate vendor for our Pacific Northwest region. These bolt-on transactions and materials assets are representative of the acquisitions that I expect us to continue to pursue as we grow our materials business and work to further develop and vertically integrate our home markets.
Speaker 3: Despite this start to the year, we remain optimistic for 2023. Our record cap at the end of the quarter, the strong public market environment, and outstanding orders in our materials business support our 2023 guidance that we provided last quarter. After the first quarter, we have ground to make up, but that work is in full swing with the relatively dry April we have experienced. We believe we have the capacity and resources to meet our revenue guidance of $3.4 to $3.6 billion and our adjusted EBITDA margin guidance of 7.5 to 9 percent. In the first quarter, comparable revenue.
Speaker 3: which excludes revenue from granite and lighter in the first quarter of 2022, decreased 58 million, while gross profit decreased 28 million.
Speaker 3: In the construction segment, comparable revenue declined $42 million year-over-year to $503 million. This decrease was primarily due to lower revenue in the central group of $49 million with multiple projects being completed over the last year as newer, lower-risk profile projects come online. The central group has done a great job of transforming and building CAP within its home markets over the last year, and these projects are now ramping up.
Speaker 3: Imperable construction revenue in the mountain and California groups increased slightly year over year during the quarter. I believe these increases would have been much larger but for the weather impacts. If the weather cooperates, we expect to see solid year over year revenue increases from these groups in the second quarter and through the second half of the year.
Speaker 3: The destruction segment gross profit and gross profit margin decreased 22 million year-over-year to 37 million and 7.3% respectively.
Speaker 3: Instruction gross profit was impacted by the weather as well as a write down on the I-64 High-Rise Bridge project in Virginia.
Speaker 3: The I-64 project is winding down, but we experienced additional costs to maintain the project's schedule.
Speaker 3: This caused a negative impact to gross profit in the quarter of $11 million and impact after non-controlling interest of $6 million.
Speaker 3: In the material segment, comparable revenue decreased 16 million year-over-year to 57 million, with gross profit decreasing 6 million to a loss of 4 million. The decreases in revenue and gross profit were similarly driven by weather-related volume decreases in both aggregates and asphalt sales.
Speaker 3: of 21% and 39% respectively. With better weather, we expect these volume challenges to reverse course in the second quarter with strong order volumes. At the end of the quarter, our cash and marketable securities totaled $256 million.
Speaker 3: During Q1, we typically use cash as many regions across the company are largely shut down due to cold and wet weather.
Speaker 3: This year, extreme weather prevented projects and materials plants from generating cash. This was compounded by the timing and collection of claims and outstanding retention balances.
Speaker 3: Historically, our cash decreases in the first half of the year and we generate cash in the second half of the year. We expect a similar pattern this year as operations get back to work.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, despite a challenging first quarter, we are not changing our guidance for 2023 nor our targets for 2024.
Speaker 3: We expect revenue to grow in 2023 and 2024. Our cap balance at the end of the quarter and bidding opportunities over the remainder of 2023 strengthen our expectations for growth.
Speaker 3: Our guidance of 7.5 to 9% adjusted EVA to margin in 2023 and 9 to 11% in 2024 is unchanged.
Speaker 3: Our cap is growing and is of higher quality with higher margins that we believe support our expectations.
Speaker 4: Now I'll turn it back over to Kyle. Thanks Mike. I'll close with the following points. The weather was extreme and it was a tough first quarter. While unfortunate, the wet first quarter does not change any of our expectations for 2023 or 2024.
If anything, the continued growth of the high quality cap strengthens our belief and our confidence that we are executing on our strategic plan.
The growth of our CAP and the opportunities that we see in front of us bolster our confidence in the overall market. I believe we will see bidding opportunities continue to grow as more projects are left. The impact of the IIJA is still in the early stages as agencies work through the process of bringing more projects to bid.
This is a really good sign for Granite and the entire industry. I'm really pleased that we have closed on two materials, both on transactions.
These transactions provide additional materials resources to support growth in these home markets and are aligned with our strategic plan.
Lastly, I want to reiterate how thankful I am to work alongside our employees at Granite, knowing that we are part of an organization that is instrumental in helping our home market communities overcome challenges that arise during severe weather events like those we encountered in the first quarter.
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And the first question comes from Steven Ramsey of Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead. Okay.
Hi, good morning. Maybe to start with on the cap growth in the quarter both year-over-year and sequential, how much of that was a delay of burning off work in the first quarter and how much of that was fundamental market strength and adding new jobs at good margins.
Hey Steven, it's Kyle. So thanks for the question.
Hey Steven, it's Kyle. So thanks for the question. You know, the big, the big...
kind of changes that our teams have done a really nice job of picking up more work and It's not the fundamental shift Just associated with the weather and Q1. So we feel really good about what our teams have been accomplishing Over the last couple quarters, so done a really nice job really improving on the cap
and we saw that in Q1 really start to build, and we're continuing to see it build in April . So as we mentioned in our remarks, we're picking up more work with higher margins. If I had to estimate, I'd say there's about $100 million worth of work that shifts from Q1 into the following quarters in the year for us to hit our guidance this year, so if you kind of do the math, suggest we have grown our cap quite a bit. So that would...
indicate that we're really well positioned moving forward. Also in the cap that I'll mention is we did pick up about $100 million of emergency work and we burned $18 million of that in the first quarter. The balance of that $82 million is not in our cap because those are
contracts, the way they're put out, they're not to exceed contracts. They're not included in our cap today. So, if you put the two together, our cap is actually closer to about 5.2 billion. We expect those projects, those emergency projects, to burn quicker than our typical projects. That's great color. Thank you.
and then maybe on the acquisitions that you closed, are these margin-accretive or neutral, and will the operations of these acquired plants work better as a part of a VI model? Steve Baecker Yeah, I think the answer on these two recent acquisitions being Brunswick Canyon and Carson City.
nice fit into a very strong business we have in northern Nevada. So that's just a perfect kind of bolt-on for a vertically integrated business. We also have our other one we just announced which is Coast Mountain Resources and that's just another really nice fit into our existing VI business up in the Pacific Northwest where we were purchasing
And I guess I'll just add on, this is certainly the type of acquisitions that we're looking at as a company. They fit our business very nicely. You start to put together reserve expansions we did last year in Utah, Liquid Asphalt Terminal in Bakersfield, these two recent materials acquisitions. We're making reinvestments in our materials business.
that we haven't made in quite some time that's certainly going to pay off for us. Longer term, nothing's changed from our investment framework. We're still looking at some geographic expansions, some transformation, but we want to make sure we're really staying focused on strengthening and growing our existing home markets today.
That's great, Kyle. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Brent Seelman of VA-Davidson. Please go ahead.
Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Hey, Kyle, any internal detail you can give us about the cap, I guess, added in the last quarter, or even, you know, the last few quarters in terms of the quality of work that and as we think about, kind of burning through some of this, the rest of the year into next year.
Are these less competitive jobs, are the bid margins that much more attractive than what you've seen historically? How does it all sort of align with your 2024 ambitions for profitability for the business?
Yeah, it aligns really nicely. I mean, you can kind of go back a few years. Or cap.
was made up of a lot of risky work and we went out and Very methodically and strategically said we're going to go get the right kind of cap on our business We're going to move away from high-risk design build type projects really focus on 100% design bid build and then also we want to do the best value
we'll focus on CMGC and progressive design build. And that's, that has really been a shift. And if you go back
You know the big test for us was can we replace these big risky mega projects with work that we can deliver and be successful at that we've proven we've been able to do in our business across the West. And the cap that you see today it really reflects that. We've demonstrated that we could do it. And so now we have record cap in terms of quantity and we believe is the best quality cap we've had in a long long time.
And so our margins are up. The cap that we have has less risk than we've seen. And so we feel really good. And that's really what's driving the confidence in our numbers as we move forward. Obviously, we had wet weather in Q1 and we can't control that. But our story and what we're focused on as a company hasn't changed.
and it's really just more of a timing issue for us. We feel even better after our cap numbers came in. Yep. And Kyle, obviously moving past ORPs, big part of the story change to, you mentioned some of the I-64 related headwinds this quarter as that nears completion, and just maybe a status update on the performance of the...
disappointed that the forecast couldn't hold, but our team is working really hard to get that project wrapped up per the plan. We're expected to be done in the middle of Q3. That's kind of been where we expected that project to finish, but a lot of our costs are really associated with us ensuring that we get that job done in the timeframe that we expected in Q3. So it's unfortunate.
And you know obviously it's impacting our gross profit at the full 11 million, but if you back out non-controlling interest the impacts around around six. So it's unfortunate, but again you go back to our guidance. We're not changing it. It's not going to keep us from achieving what we believe we can do this year.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, thank you. Thank you.
The next question comes from Brian Russo of Sdoti. Go ahead.
The next question comes from Brian Russo of Sdoti. Please go ahead. Good morning.
Okay, just to reiterate how much revenue was delayed in the first quarter due to weather that you expect to recapture.
in the second quarter? Did you say it was 100 million? Yeah, I'd estimate it around 100 million and that'll shift to
Okay, so not all will be done in the second quarter. You know, we should disperse it over, say, second and third quarter during the high construction season. Yeah, I think that's fair. I'd go on to Q2, Q3. I mean, obviously, some of this emergency work that we still.
are going to deliver on. That 80 million will happen relatively quickly. We already saw that 18 burn fairly fast at the tail end of Q1, so I'd expect that to go into Q2, Q3, early Q3, and then the rest of it I just kind of disperse it across.
Tom Reel Okay, great. And then just on this storm work, so it doesn't cannibalize any of those projects that you had planned to do in the first quarter. It really is incremental work above, you know, what you had, you know, in the backlog, say, as of December . That's right, it's incremental work.
Our crews have been doing some of the emergency work already. They've been doing it over the last quarter of this month, and that'll continue on. But it's not replacing work for us. It's additive in our minds. And that's why some of the projects we were looking to start earlier shifted to the right a little bit with the weather. So the emergency work's providing kind of a nice fill-in in the void, but it'll be additive.
And is the storm restoration work similar margins in the, you know, improved backlog that you guys have been kind of conveying for 2023?
It's similar. Yeah, I would say there's no real deviation in the grand scheme of things. The work consists of mostly slope repairs, roadway reconstructs, drainage, clean-out, so those types of things, things that have to happen relatively quickly. There can be a little bit of a delay in terms of
getting paid. In some cases you have to reconcile time cards and equipment hours and those types of things so that that's the only slight change in emergency work and in the contracting with them not to exceed contracts. Just adds a little bit of a difference versus our typical contracting with local agencies and DOTs.
Okay, great. And then along with reiterating the 2024 targets on margins, it looks like you still got a $300 million range on the revenue line. And I'm just curious, given what you've seen last year and going into this year, is there a
Do you sense that you're trending towards the top end of that range, just given the tailwinds we see in the public market spending and funding environment?
Well, I mean, you know, our CAP is extremely encouraging. I mean, we're excited about the CAP. I think the tough part with the CAP and certainly when you have best value is a lot of these contracts have varying pre-construction services portions of the projects and they can vary anywhere from a few months to a few years.
in some cases on these pre-constructions. So it's hard to just convert our cap into some sort of necessarily revenue. And it also depends on how many different task orders owners are willing to put out within each of those CMGC type contracts. But I think we feel like our confidence has only grown as our cap has increased in order to get to that 2024 number in that range. So we feel really good about that. I think that on them.
on the EBITDA margin side of things, we're feeling encouraged as well. We are getting more work on bid day. We're seeing that quarter over quarter and year over year. And I've mentioned that, I think in the last three or four calls now, we've seen that really big shift since 2021. And so that cap is only getting stronger and stronger by quarter. So we continue focused on
are focused on getting the right work. It's less risky than what we've had in the past. Our execution focus has not changed. We're still extremely focused on operational excellence as an organization. We put our construction playbook in place mid last year, and that's taking hold across our organization. So we expect that is only gonna help us execute at a higher level as a company. And then we're getting our automation projects.
in our materials business online, and we believe that's going to start paying off for us this year and in the next year. So our strategy, what we're trying to do, everything's really lining up nicely with where we're headed. You know, it's just unfortunate. The weather in Q1 just kind of put everything on a little bit of a pause for us, but we feel like it isn't changing anything that we've been working on.
on. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Michael Dudas of Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead. Hi, I'm Kyle Mike, and a shout out to Lisa. Hope she gets well soon. Thank you.
Okay, great. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Michael Dudas of Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead. Hi, I'm Kyle Mike, and a shout-out to Lisa. Hope she gets well soon. Yes, thank you.
Kyle, relative to your very strong cap, couple questions, one, you did mention Caltrans and there are some budget issues in California, what's your Sacramento Insights or contacts saying is some of the questions that are mentioned Funk listening
concern on funding alleviated by the SB1 or the IIJ funding and Regarding the business moving into 23 Maybe you could comment a little bit on some of the activity in the private sector Customer base and where that stands, you know, we've been hearing you know some mixed
results on heavy and light non-RAS. I want to see if you have any thoughts on that. Yeah I think you know we highlighted the Caltrans budget issue just because it's out there and we don't want anybody believing that Caltrans doesn't have funding and there isn't robust market in California. We've actually seen weddings.
California increase in terms of awards not decrease. So we feel really good about what SB1 has done for the state of California and the opportunities that are out there as part of that and also the IIJA. So we're seeing a really nice market in California and in our cap increase really really kind of reflects that. You know the private sector has been strong for us too. I mentioned before.
opportunities in mining, rail, industrial projects, and solar. And so those parts of our private market continues to remain very strong.
And Kyle, my follow up on the materials business and the order book you had, you indicated it's quite strong even with the delays aside. How does the pricing look relative to a year ago and some of the pricing that's been talked about in the California markets?
from January 1, how's that look into your book and have you seen that hold and how's the liquid asphalt on the cost side and where you stand on that, any tailwinds or headwinds that we would anticipate during 23?
Thank you. Yeah, well, it's a lot different. I mean, last year and Q1 and Q2 and parts of the year, we saw a big bump in natural gas and diesel, and that had an impact on materials business last year. And certainly we're in a different position today. We added an energy escalator last April to help us offset those costs moving forward.
So that there's no doubt that impacted our materials business in 2022. But in 2023, we've already seen those costs on liquid asphalt, natural gas and diesel stabilized, so they're still elevated, but stabilized and our pricing has been able to hold.
we were expecting that we could keep our pricing up and so far to date we've been able to do that and as I mentioned in the prepare remarks we're seeing our quarter volumes up, we're seeing our backlog in terms of sales very strong and so we still feel really good about our materials business despite the slow Q1 with the weather we still feel like.
We're going to come out of the gate here, Q2 and Q3 very strong for the year. Thanks Kyle. Thank you. The next question comes from Jerry Revitch of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hi, Kyle. Good morning, everyone, and all the best to Lisa. Kyle, I'm wondering if we could just talk about the economics on the aggregates acquisitions. If you don't mind, what's the synergy value add that you folks are able to...
add to the equation because you're vertically integrated in those markets versus the standalone results. Obviously, the standalone aggregates companies trade at 13 to 17 times EBITDA. I'm wondering if you could just talk about including synergies.
How do the multiples compare on the assets that you acquired? Well, first off, I'm not going to share necessarily the multiples that we paid. They're not huge transactions for us, just to put you in some context around Coast Mountain Resources. That was about a $27 million dollar.
acquisition for us on a US dollar basis. Those are really nice vertically integrated deals for us, whether it's the CMR acquisition or Brunswick Canyon in Nevada. So the synergies are really that it's materials that's attached to a construction business. So that's really where we see the uplift. It allows us to do all the things we want to do.
through vertical integration and that allows us to schedule our orders, ensure that we have quality aggregates in our business, we can take advantage of recycle opportunities. There's just a whole host, there's even some tax advantages. So without getting into necessarily the economics of the deals...
I can tell you that obviously we wouldn't do them if we didn't think there was value creation for the company. So we feel really good about them. I know the teams are excited to have them as part of their businesses and again the integration risk on these are very low.
So it's starting to give us confidence of how we can really strengthen our home market positions And we want to continue doing this in different parts of our businesses and ongoing ongoing thing
Thank you. In terms of the margin progression year-to-year, as we think about for a full year, margin guidance, you folks are looking for, you know, call it 200 basis points of margin expansion. Can we talk about how that looks by quarter?
margin progression. I mean certainly if you go back over the last three years in 2021 we were at twelve and a half, 22, 13.7, 23 you know we expect to be a 14% or higher these are all kind of non-LRP numbers but but I think if you look at the full year we we see our margins continue to progress into
where we want to be in 2024 quite nicely. I think as you know and I think most that follow our company know we're not, we things are a little focused more around kind of annual results because we do anticipate that we do have weather here and there.
and other obstacles along the way. But so I think the margin of progression is just going to continue through the year and be strongest in Q3 and then kind of go through the normal cycle.
In terms of areas where you were weather impacted in the first quarter, does it snap right back into the second quarter because people are trying to make up for lost days or does it take time to ramp up into the second quarter just from your activity level standpoint?
I think it snaps back fairly quickly. I mean, our central group wasn't as impacted, surely, as our business out in the West. Our mountain group is used to the seasonality.
I see with businesses in Alaska, they're used to cold and wet and snow. And so I think our mountain group, this is not unusual. Maybe Nevada and Utah, those businesses were impacted with really high snow levels more than normal. But we certainly have the capability in the mountain group to deliver on what we set out to do this year. California was the hardest hit.
And if you go back and we look back in the last couple years and you go back to 2020, what our team needs to do is in line with what we've shown that we've been able to do in the past. So we aren't concerned. I mean, obviously we need weather to cooperate at the end of the year in order for us to continue to deliver. But yeah, I think we have the capacity, we have the teams, and we feel like there's no real reason.
to change things is just a timing issue for us. Things just move from Q1 into the following quarters. Super, thank you, Kyle. Thank you.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Kyle Larkin for any closing remarks. Okay, well thank you for joining the call today. As always, we want to thank all of our employees for the work they do every day.
Nothing is more important than the safety of our employees. This week is Construction Industry Safety Week, where annually we renew our commitment to safety. As a company, we have never been safer, and I look forward to visiting teams across the country to recognize their efforts as we work towards another record-setting safety year in 2023. And thank you for your interest and granted. We look forward to speaking with you all soon.
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