Q2 2023 Symbotic Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 2: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the symbolic second quarter fiscal 2023 Financial Results Conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentations, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question at that time, please press star-11 on your telephone.
Speaker 2: As a reminder today's call is being recorded, I will now turn the conference to the host, Mr. Jeff Evanson, Vice President and Investors Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Valerie. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Symbodix, 2nd quarter, fiscal 2023 results, when cast.
Speaker 3: Our press release and discussion today will include forward looking statements based on assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements.
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Speaker 3: In addition, during this call we will discuss certain financial measures that are not recognized under U.S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles.
Speaker 3: which the SEC refers to as non-GAAP measures.
Speaker 3: We believe these non-GAT measures assist management in planning for casting and evaluating our business and financial performance, including allocating resources.
Speaker 3: Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to their most comparable reported GAAP measures are included in our financial press release, which is available in the investor relations section of our website and is on file with the SEC.
Speaker 3: These GAAP measures may not be comparable to measures used by other issuers. Today we'll provide guidance for our third quarter, including revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We're not providing guidance for net loss today, which is the most comparable GAAP financial measure to adjust to EBITDA. We're not able to provide reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to GAAP financial measures because certain items required for such reconciliation are outside of our control and or cannot be reasonably predicted.
Speaker 3: and Tom earned Symbodix Chief Financial Officer. These executives will discuss our second quarter 2023 results and our outlook followed by Q&A.
Speaker 3: Now I'll turn the call over to Rick.
Speaker 3: and give perspective on our second quarter. It's interesting to look back two years to see the progress we've made since our second quarter of fiscal 2021.
Speaker 3: Back then, we were building individual prototype systems, and in that quarter, close to $23 million of revenue.
Speaker 3: and we are successfully overcoming most of those challenges.
Speaker 4: Now, just two years later, we have nine systems in full operation at multiple customer sites.
Speaker 4: We are currently deploying 28 additional systems and reporting over a quarter billion dollars of revenue in the quarter.
Speaker 4: So in two years we have grown from a company with a sub-hundred million dollar revenue run rate to one with a billion dollar plus revenue run rate.
Speaker 4: improving operating margins and additional liquidity. Our teams are working diligently to be more efficient as they keep our many deployment projects running on budget and on schedule and executing a new outsourcing strategy. We are now aggressively diversifying training and scaling up a network of supplier and contractor partners. We feel good about the progress so far and see many ways we can improve. As I said our call last quarter we are committed to building a team of world-class talent to help us remain a leader.
Speaker 4: in transforming the supply chain. During the quarter we added several key team members who are already making important contributions to operations.
Speaker 4: Scaling and execution are important in driving our near-term results. But we believe that constantly innovating can sustain those results over the long term.
Speaker 4: Thank you everyone for your support and interest in what we are doing and for helping us as we realize our vision Transforming and supply chain. It's exciting to see our plan coming together and we have a long way to go But we're making great progress. Thank you. Now Tom, we'll discuss our financial performance and output
Speaker 4: Thank you everyone for your support and interest in what we are doing and for helping us as we realize our vision transforming the supply chain. It's exciting to see our plan coming together and we have a long way to go for making great progress. Thank you. Now, Tom, we'll discuss our financial performance and outlook. Tom, thank you, Rick. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Second quarter revenue of 267 million grew 177 percent compared to a year ago, driven by incredibly strong deployment progress. We initiated seven new system deployments during the quarter and, as planned, advanced one system to full operation. We now have 28 active system deployments in process with multiple customers.
Speaker 4: An increase from 22 systems last quarter nine systems in the second quarter of last year.
Speaker 4: A rapid revenue growth was driven by progress on deployments with particular strength from physical installation at our customer site.
Speaker 4: As Rick mentioned, we are gaining efficiency in our deployments by standardizing our systems.
Speaker 4: streamlining our deployment processes, and realizing the benefits of outsourcing. Our cash and equivalents, including marketable securities and restricted cash, grew $17 million sequentially to $465 million due to favorable working capital performance.
Speaker 4: We believe we have more than enough, more than adequate resources on hand to expand this COVID-19 rotate throughoutash asynchronous event.
Speaker 4: and remain very well capitalized to execute our strategy. Recurring revenue continued to grow sequentially as deployments moved to production. We now have nine systems operating at customer sites. Over time, as system completions cascade, recurring revenue should grow to have a much higher gross margin of systems revenue, as well as become an increasing share of our revenue mix.
Speaker 5: to provide powerful operating leverage to our business.
Speaker 5: Our second quarter adjusted gross margin increased 100 basis points sequentially. These results still reflect significant costs associated with lower margin innovation initiatives, the burden of elevated pass-through steel costs, and costs associated with rapidly scaling our operations. Our third quarter adjusted gross margin innovation initiatives, the burden of elevated pass-through steel costs, the burden of elevated pass-through steel costs, and costs associated with lower margin innovation initiatives.
Speaker 5: Adjusted system gross margin improved by 70 basis points sequentially after excluding $5.2 million of the $8.4 million in severance and restructuring charges that flowed through cost of goods sold.
Speaker 5: This charge was related to discontinued manufacturing activities in Montreal, where we were manufacturing robotic inbound and outbound cells, and curtailed manufacturing capacity in willing to Massachusetts, where we manufacture bots.
Speaker 5: Our outsourcing success.
Speaker 5: Enables us to continue to drive strong deployment growth while also setting the stage for long-term cost savings and large-mix mansion.
Speaker 5: In the second quarter, operating expenses, excluding stock-based compensation, increase the question we as we continue to invest in innovation that can drive sustained growth and margin expansion.
Speaker 5: Finally, operating leverage improved as we achieved a 4% adjusted EBITDA loss rate compared to 8% last quarter and 27% last year.
Speaker 5: This was driven by our revenue growth and expanding gross margin.
Speaker 5: Turning to our outlet from the third quarter of fiscal 2023, we expect revenue of between $245 million to $265 million.
Speaker 5: and an adjusted EVA.Lawso between $11 million and $8 million. We are through the midpoint of our fiscal 2023, and are excited about the second half as we continue to transform the supply chain.
Speaker 5: We are scaling our business and innovating rapidly to deliver for our customers.
Speaker 5: We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter to provide an update on our progress, and I'll welcome your questions.
Speaker 2: Operator, will you please open the Q&A? Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your touch-to-tone telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star 11. One moment for our first question.
Speaker 2: Our first question comes from Andrew Kaplowicz. A city your line is open.
Speaker 6: Good evening everyone. Rick or Tom, can you give us more color into the transition outsourcing that you continue to see in terms of the restructuring charge you took? It looks like you expect to see maybe a slight improvement in losses on slightly lower revenue in Q3 than Q2. But are you experiencing in Q3 any of the impact of the restructuring? When would you expect to see a slight improvement in losses on slightly lower revenue in Q3 than Q2?
Speaker 5: and property plans and equipment, as well as $3 million related to people-related severance. So that's a little bit over 100 full-time employees, along with a little bit over 100 contractors. That was executed and planned for at the end of the quarter.
Speaker 5: However, we really begin seeing the benefit of those savings as we get into our fiscal third quarter. Again, those restructureings were associated with the discontinuity of cell manufacturing operations in Montreal. And then the significant curtailment of bot manufacturing in Wilmington, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: This follows on the heels as Rick mentioned of our successful transition of the manufacturer of all these goods to two outsource partners.
Speaker 6: Thanks. I think last quarter you talked about maybe being a little more predictable in your revenue ramp, but you just beat Q2, beat the street by 50 million, and now you're predicting 10 million lower in Q3 despite your deployments continuing to rise. Did you just somehow pull forward any revenue in Q2?
Speaker 5: equal the outflows in the period. And that will match our remaining performance obligations that we expected this close when we file our 10Q. And you think that as we're growing scale here in deploying more systems, the revenue is becoming, you know, that quarterly variability is becoming smoother. However, we are still growing really fast.
Speaker 5: and will ramp you out sourcing partners. So we clearly are still seeing some significant variability in terms of quarter on quarter growth. Maybe to give a sense for how this translates out.
Speaker 5: we do expect to grow rapidly and that's driven by the 28 systems and deployment. However, you know, even as we look here into the second half, the strongest contribution in the second half is going to be driven from the nine systems that were started in the second half of 2022, for example. So, you know, minor timing differences in one or two or three of those nine systems can have meaningful...
Speaker 2: Thank you. One moment please.
Speaker 4: Our next question comes from the line of Matt Somerville of DA Davidson. Your line is open. Thanks. A couple questions. First, Tom, can you maybe comment on, you know, based on the successes you're having with outsourcing and the scale that you're getting.
Speaker 5: and continue to work that program. As I think Rick highlighted and I emphasize as well, you do believe that that.
Speaker 5: We'll begin to see benefits and leverage in the near to midterm and we continue to believe that over the long term that while certainly it'll help us achieve our primary goal in outsourcing which was the ability to scale this business to a much much greater much greater scale that we think it will result in a higher long-term profitability as well. So what we're not giving we're not giving guidance. I think that consensus expectations
Speaker 5: in the street, many, many analysts are looking for profitability in Q4. So, you know, we're not looking forward to the full year, but what I can say is that we do believe that our operating leverage is quite high. That, you know, as we're able to scale revenue, we believe that...
Speaker 5: We'll continue to benefit from expanding gross margins and we'll continue to see hotbeds growth be moderate. And in particular, in the near term, we think operating expense growth can be curtailed significantly through the benefits of the outsourcing and restructuring of the plan we just put in place at the end of this last quarter.
Speaker 4: Great. And then maybe as a follow-up, can you talk a little bit about maybe some of the progress you're making with Breakpack and SimBot and when you think those solutions will be ready for game time, if you will.
Speaker 4: We're making, so we're really pleased with the progress we've made on the SIMbot.
Speaker 4: That was a big technology change for us. And though we are not realizing all the...
Speaker 4: the value that will come, and it's going to come over time. There's some software that we're still releasing, and some AI sourcing and predictive maintenance, all good things. So they'll be coming in the next year. But we're really pleased with two things. One, we have a great new product.
Speaker 4: two, we successfully managed to prototype it and then move it to outsourcing partners. So that'll continue to improve. So that was a big deal in the last six months. And nobody should underestimate successfully outsourcing without blowing up your supply chain.
Speaker 4: That's all I'll say about that. We're very happy with how it's gone. On the brake pack, I'm probably there one day a week, sometimes two days a week. That's going to be a great product for us. It's still rough. It's our first prototype, but we would expect...
Speaker 5: in the next, certainly the next six months that we should see very good results out of that. I'll just add to that, Matt, that we are still actively field testing SimBot today too, so we haven't announced the final general release of that product, but we have many of those units out actually running in live production environments today at multiple sites and multiple customers.
Speaker 7: Got it. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Yes, good afternoon. Thank you very much for taking the questions. The first one is on the bridge from the
Speaker 2: more on how much that was impacting both revenue and EVA DAS sequentially and any other key puts and takes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the question, Mark. So you're right, we did see gross margin in particular improve by about 100 basis points sequentially. So let me address it maybe in two points first gross margin, then I'll talk about OPEX. There's a few factors that benefited the expansion in gross margin.
Speaker 5: first recurring revenue margins are improving and recurring revenue is increasing as new deployments are water falling in.
Speaker 5: Steelwall is still significantly above the 10-year average, was actually a modest sequential benefit, so that actually was a part of the 100 basis point expansion as well.
Speaker 5: And finally, while we're still experiencing several hundred basis points of impact from rapid growth and innovation projects in our gross margin that are actually are ahead when we talk about consistently.
Speaker 5: quarter on quarter those are diminishing as well. So all three of those factors were directionally moving in the right way. OPEX increased by about seven million dollars which is which you know goes goes counter to the overall EBITDA contribution margin and as we think about OPEX
Speaker 5: A couple factors there. First, the restructuring plans we put in place really didn't have a material financial impact in the fiscal second quarter. Those will begin bending for us in earnest in 3Q. Also, if you recall, when we talked about the second quarter, we had a lot less project and other variable work in the quarter. We had some more of that.
Speaker 5: of our workforce, we've had a material shift toward technical talent, and that was particularly strong in the second quarter. So those are the things that we think will materially benefit over the long run. And while we're not disclosing headcount numbers in detail, net we actually saw an over 20 headcount increase in our engineering force.
Speaker 5: despite the total company in terms of full-time employees being down 20 headcounts, for example.
Speaker 2: Thank you for all the helpful comments, Tom. The second one was on the backlog. Thank you for giving the update on where it stands in total. Could you comment any more on the composition of it in terms of what kind of gross margin you might think is embedded in the backlog relative to where you're running? When you think about the backlog, how much is coming from hardware relative to some of these subscription elements? A?
Speaker 5: which means it's heavily populated by systems revenue as some of our recurring revenue sources will have annual or only partial 10-15 year type of contributions.
Speaker 5: heavily populated by systems revenue, as some of our recurring revenue sources will have annual or only partial 10-15 year type of contributions.
Speaker 5: First part of your question Mark? Oh yes, a couple of things Tom. But anything you can share on the gross margin embedded in the backlog relative to where the company is currently running if you're able to comment there. Yeah thank you. So overall gross margin is 18.3%. We continue to expect that the structural gross margins implicit in that backlog are much closer to 30%. And the difference between that 18% and the high 20s percent is really the three factors that I talked about relative to your first question. In particular the biggest of which is the...
Speaker 5: the financial impact and our COGS of our rapid growth and our shift to outsourcing along with our innovation projects that are heavily weighted in up front revenues in that backlog.
Speaker 5: That close to 30% structural gross margin.
Speaker 5: is structural for the systems revenue only. As we think about structural gross margins for the recurring component of that backlog, we see them well north of 50 percent into the 60 percent range. So you blend those two together to get something that's in the mid to higher 40s, high 30s. Thank you.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 9: One moment please.
Speaker 9: Our next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlasi of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Your line is open.
Speaker 9: Our next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlasi of Do What You Bank Your Line is open. Yeah, thanks for the question guys.
Speaker 9: Hi there. Maybe just starting on the restructuring. So with the continued focus on outsourcing, should we expect more of these restructuring charges to come or do you think this is more of a one-off and any color at all on one?
Speaker 9: quantifying the benefit that we should see from what you spent in the quarter over the next several quarters. Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the question Nicole. So as I said in my prepared remarks, the restructuring includes the complete discontinuation of manufacturing of our cells in Montreal and a significant curtailment in Wilmington. So while we don't have any others.
Speaker 5: to talk about today. That's a significant portion of the manufacturing activity we had to date. Obviously, we're continuing to advance our outsourcing initiatives across the range of things that we do. There may be more in the future, but we'll talk about those as it's time to talk about them.
Speaker 9: Got it, thanks. And then just shifting to the steel dynamic, so steel inflation has continued to take a bit higher year to date. Is the expectation that this quarter is kind of the maximum benefit that you should see from steel? You talked about it being a sequential good guy. Does it then turn into a sequential bad guy in the second half of the year? Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the question Nicole, and you're right, if you pull up the steel chart, it's shown quite a bit of volatility. So no, based on what we've seen to date, our steel purchases tend to be dollar weighted in that...
Speaker 5: create some headwinds. So, you know, it is hard to predict where these things are going to go because of the nature, which is one of the fortunate things that our business model allows us to largely pass these costs on to our customers.
Speaker 5: making our profit dollars very predictable, even though it does have a gross margin impact in terms of what we report on a percentage basis.
Speaker 9: Thanks, I'll pass it on. Thanks again, Nicole. Thanks. Thank you.
Speaker 10: Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Ritucci of Needham. Your line is open. Hi. Thanks for allowing the question. Just very important, the background noise. But question on gross margins. If some of you cited several factors that could be more of a telltale, like the question, if you cited several factors that could be more of a telltale, like the
Speaker 10: and additional costs that are occurring as you ramp these outsourcing programs. Thank you and have a great week.
Speaker 5: Thanks for the question, Joe. We do see more tailwinds as we look forward.
Speaker 5: Now we are still, we still do have a lot of work to do with our outsourcing partners.
Speaker 5: So, while we have significant outsourcing happening across our entire value chain, we're still working on acquiring more partners across each of those, manufacturing and air pollution and conditioning here. We also expect to relinquish these partners in terms of...
Speaker 5: And then there's just some near-term benefits that now that we have the confidence and the capacity up and running at these partners, we're able to do things like this continue our own operations that provide some immediate benefits. So I'd say it's a mix, Jim, but we clearly have a significant roadmap of opportunity over many quarters.
Speaker 10: And I don't know if you want to comment on this, but I'm all what I'm thinking also trying to understand is the rate at which you're scaling. How many system deployments would you anticipate advancing in the current quarter? There's a question, how many do we anticipate?
Speaker 5: we don't tend to guide for the one quarter for it. I do think that there can be quarter on quarter variability in those numbers. So as we think about multiple quarters over time, we look to grow that number. But, but Jim you should assume that there will be some ups and downs in terms of quarters and, and we feel like the seven we did this quarter and the six we did last quarter is an exceptionally strong quarter you know relative to our growth plans.
Speaker 10: Thanks for that. Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Lattimore of Northlink Capital. Your line is open. Great. Thanks. Just in terms of supply availability, is that improving? Is there further improvement that could occur? Can you just give some tone around that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the question Mike. We do continue to believe that the supply chain environment is improving. It is still not a normal supply chain environment, so we are still clearly battling things that would have been atypical pre-COVID in terms of canceled orders and things like that. In addition to
Speaker 5: perhaps the supply chain environment getting better, we are a much more formidable buyer. So we're getting the attention of suppliers. We're getting the attention of partners. And so those we think as well are continuing to improve our ability to execute.
Speaker 10: And then in terms of the future plans on outsourcing, is the main focus here adding more partners to current sort of functional categories? Are there other functions you're looking that you will eventually outsource?
Speaker 4: No, we, it's
Speaker 4: We've pretty much picked the partners though. So we have partners that will help us install sites, partners that will help us build...
Speaker 4: the symbots partners that will help us build the cells. So we're pretty well.
Speaker 4: We executed our strategy on outsourcing.
Speaker 4: And the partners will get better. They'll continue to help us innovate, but we're done. We're pretty much just this last two quarters were big quarters for us in getting this job done. So we've got the functions covered Mike and now our goal is to deepen the bench.
Speaker 5: and broadens the bench. Yeah, okay. Alright, very good. Thank you. Thanks, Mike.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 10: Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Palm of Craig Hellim. Your line is open. Yeah, thanks for taking the questions here. I wanted to follow up on the outsourced commentary now that you're several more months into that. Can you just comment on how that's translating to
Speaker 11: The speed cost, as you've shifted more of that to partners, and I guess I'm asking relative to maybe what your earlier or prior expectations was.
Speaker 5: Greg, it has enabled us to continue to execute to our plans. So we are seeing our targeted deployments set with a little bit faster timeframe than we were executing to the systems that we're just completing, for example. And as we've engaged with these partners.
Speaker 5: and talked about the kind of structural improvements, both in terms of processes and collaboration, but also in terms of technology, we are further encouraged that the opportunity to compress deployment time frame is real, and tangible is something that we're going to work on together over the coming multiple quarters to years.
Speaker 11: Okay, and then just following up on an earlier question about EBITDA profitability, Tom, you commented on, I guess, consensus estimates for Q4, and I guess my question is were you effectively blessing those, or what was the rationale for commenting on those directly? Yeah, thanks for the question, Greg. No, we're not providing full year guidance. We're not providing full year guidance. We're not providing full year guidance. We're not providing full year guidance.
Speaker 5: But I just wanted to set context for it. So what we will say is as the revenue is able to scale, we believe that we're in a strong position to have high operating leverage.
Speaker 7: Okay, fair enough. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Thanks Greg.
Speaker 10: Okay, fair enough. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Thanks, Greg. One moment, please.
Speaker 10: Our next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano of Cowling. Your line is open.
Speaker 12: Hey guys. Hi Joel. Rick, just giving your comments about Breakback and you're making good progress there, planning out over the next six months. How should we think about R&D levels post-2023? Could we see a step down in spend now that you've kind of gone through?
Speaker 12: SimBot and you're going through Breakback to a large extent now, like how should we think about the required levels to keep the organization on the cutting edge?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you'll see a reduction in R&D.
Speaker 4: I think we'll look to pull money out by just being more efficient with the organization, but we're going to continue to fund R&D.
Speaker 4: simply because we have a lot of great products that we haven't talked about that are in the works, that are going to help us a lot. And so, this is just a great innovative lab here and we continue to recruit really great talent.
Speaker 5: The answer to your question is no, I don't think you should expect our data to drop. I'll add to that Joe that you're right that Break-pack along with SimBot are very significant projects in our innovation budget. So as we complete those projects, we have a big war chest to do some of the other things that we haven't talked about yet that Rick mentioned. Looking forward.
Speaker 12: How should I think about ancillary...
Speaker 12: So the final output of SimBot, you have a pallet and then you talk about how to get that pallet onto a truck. Is it forklift drivers? Is it automated forklifts? How do you evaluate what stuff we should provide and what stuff we should have a preferred partner like if it was an autonomous forklift or something like that? Not just that application but just in general how do you...
Speaker 4: go about evaluating what stuff should be symbolic and what stuff should be partners of symbotics. Yeah, so the way to evaluate it is we're trying to encourage people to be good partners to symbotics because we want to control all the software that we can within a warehouse. So if we can find a partner that has a AGV or a...
Speaker 4: of the stuff that we innovated on Subotic, I mean I looked for partners, I couldn't find anybody, so I had to do it myself. And so I think the real value add is there's a lot of things that we are working on that nobody makes a product that would meet our standards and so those are the things that will continue.
Speaker 12: And last for me, just to clean up, are there any lockups left at this point? The stock's been over 12 bucks for the required time now. I'm just curious if there are any lockups remaining inclusive of you guys on the senior team.
Speaker 5: There are, so some of the affiliated chairs are still locked, but everything is unlocked save for board members, Rick and Family Trusts and myself. And our lockup is in effect until a year post the public listing.
Speaker 7: Okay. Thanks, guys. Thank you.
Speaker 10: Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Mason of RWB. Your line is open.
Speaker 11: Yes, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask a question just to clarify on the backlog. You noted that it was flat quarter to quarter and clearly you book 267 million in revenue. I'm just curious what the offset was. Was there a new customer in there or did you add?
Speaker 5: Additional systems out of from existing customers. What would accounted for holding flat? Thanks for the question Rob. No new customers booked in the quarter. What we're seeing is a higher variable consideration than what we contemplated when we entered the period.
Speaker 5: And that variable consideration relates to the business that's now under deployment and execution?
Speaker 5: So, the variable component is higher than what it was before we had that component added to the started deployments. Okay, and just as a follow up, you've brought on a lot of partners, as you've outlined here over the last two quarters. Has
Speaker 5: Any of your partners, have you observed them basically start to finish on projects or deployments to be able to assess the timeline that they're working from initial start? I guess you just speak about their ability to commission and get projects over the finish line how you feel about that in the time frame.
Speaker 5: wasn't the starting of our outsourcing initiative. So we've had some significant components outsourced from the start, such as our LIS systems, for example. So our experience in those first waves have gone from start to finish with a high degree of success.
Speaker 5: teamwork with with those partners. So this latest wave we have completed,
Speaker 5: an extensive part, I'd say, of the outsourcing life cycle with them, but we do have a long demonstrated track record of being successful with outsourcing from start to finish and then for a year or two to follow that.
Speaker 7: Very good. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Very good. Thank you. Thanks, Rob.
Speaker 10: Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Derek Stoudaburg. cancer, your line is open. Yeah, hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Sort of related to the question just asked, just as regarded, just looking at the system deployments initiated this quarter.
Speaker 5: Is the expectation that those deployments today will sort of reach live production faster than maybe those initiated six to twelve months ago? Just curious if you can update us on your progress shrinking, those deployment timelines, and if you can quantify any of that progress that'd be great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to give you a sense, Derek, so as the supply chain environment got tighter looking backwards, we actually extended the timeframe a bit, so we got an earlier start on procurement. Since that timeframe, we've been able to pull in a couple months. Part of that's related to
Speaker 5: And part of that's just the efficiencies that we're able to gain in getting these systems out in the field. So short answer to your question is yes, that the systems we're initiating in this period, we're targeting a shorter deployment than the ones we initiated, say, six or 12 months ago. Got it. That's helpful. And then I was wondering if you could talk a bit about...
Speaker 5: your ability to add another large customer this year. You know, a lot of progress on concurrent deployment. Sounds like you're happy with the outsourcing partners. Do you think you guys have the ability to add sort of another, say, multi-billion dollar customer this year? And are those some agreements? Are you actually actively pursuing those agreements right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the question, Derek. So as you know, we added UNFI as a customer and discussed that last period. Our business plan continues to be here in the near term to add new customers by the ones or twos per year. So we are continuing to evaluate. We didn't add one in this.
Speaker 5: quarter we're reporting now, but we are continuing to look at that and do expect that here in the near term one to two customers per year.
Speaker 5: reporting now, but we are continuing to look at that and do expect that here in the near term one to two customers per year. Thanks.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 10: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 10: Our next question comes from the line of Chris Snyder of UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker 10: Thank you. When we see the implied improvement in fiscal Q3 margins, is this primarily driven by better gross margin? And with that, how far do you think the business is from hitting that 30% target gross margin level for systems? Because it seems like price cost pressure is going way over the next couple quarters.
Speaker 5: But I'm not sure if a higher level of scale is needed to get to that number. Thank you. Yes, thanks for the question, Chris. So we think that we think that we'll continue to see gross margin expansion as we look forward over quarters.
Speaker 5: Consistent to improving gross margin is implicit in our outlook, but we also do expect that we'll see some efficiencies in our OPEX primarily from the benefit of the Restruction Program that I discussed in my prepared remarks. So that's the real fundamental basis for seeing the bit of operating leverage on slightly lower revenues implicit in our guide.
Speaker 5: Thinking about structural gross margins, we think that that's an effort that will take us several quarters to a couple of years to really get the benefit. Here in the near term, what we're focused in on is driving strong long-term profitability.
Speaker 5: And so, we think that we can drive the greatest present value of our business by achieving scale and getting in and penetrating the market. And while we're doing that, we're focused on smart execution and ramping profitability over the course. So, we want that balanced approach of maximizing long term profitability and scale while being executing with expanding margins.
Speaker 10: Thank you, I appreciate that. And then for a follow-up, maybe something a little bit higher level. You guys have quite the blue chip customer base. So with that, I was just wondering, is there any color commentary you could provide around the level of existing automation within these customer facilities, just given that they're big customers?
Speaker 5: is fully mechanized with conveyance-based automation. So generally we go in and we're replacing a highly functioning world-class conveyance system.
Speaker 4: Most of the systems we're replacing are 20 years old and so most of the customers we have look at everything in the world and so they have had some type of automation. What of course is exciting for us is that we believe we're the next generation of that automation and what we believe is exciting for us is that we believe we're the next generation of that automation.
Speaker 4: these systems have a long life once installed. So the focus has really been making sure these customers are just bragging happy with what we're selling and then we think we can sell a lot more.
Speaker 4: systems have a long life once installed. So the focus has really been making sure these customers are just bragging happy with what we're selling, and then we think we can sell a lot more. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jeff Evanson for any closing remarks. Thank you, Valerie, and thank you everyone for joining our call this afternoon. We appreciate your interest in Symbotic, and we look forward to seeing you at our Investor Day on May 18th in Tampa, or when we're out visiting with investors.
Speaker 10: Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day. Thank you.
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Speaker 10: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the symbolic second quarter fiscal 2023 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentations, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question at that time, please press star-11 on your telephone. Please remind us today's call is being recorded.
Speaker 10: I will now turn the conference to the host, Mr. Jeff Evanson, Vice President Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead. Thank you, Valerie. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Symbiotic's second quarter fiscal 2023 results webcast.
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Speaker 3: compensation. On today's call, we are joined by Rick Cohen, Symbiotics Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, and Tom Ernst, Symbiotics Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker 3: These executives will discuss our second quarter 2023 results and our outlook followed by Q&A.
Speaker 4: Now, I'll turn the call over to Rick. Thank you, Jeff. Hello, everyone. As I think about how to talk about and give perspective on our second quarter, it's interesting to look back two years to see the progress we've made since our second quarter of fiscal 2021.
Speaker 4: Back then, we were building individual prototype systems and in that quarter posted $23 million of revenue.
Speaker 4: We had a vision back then to radically transform the supply chain. We knew we had lots of challenges to overcome, and we are successfully overcoming most of those challenges.
Speaker 4: Now, just two years later, we have nine systems in full operation at multiple customer sites. We are currently deploying 28 additional systems and reporting over a quarter billion dollars of revenue in the quarter.
Speaker 4: So in two years we have grown from a company with a sub hundred million dollar revenue run rate to one with a billion dollar plus revenue run rate.
Speaker 4: In addition to our significant revenue growth, our quarterly results also reflect improving adjusted gross margin, improving operating margin, and additional liquidity.
Speaker 4: Our teams are working diligently to be more efficient as they keep our many deployment projects running on budget and on schedule and executing a new outsourcing strategy.
Speaker 4: We are now aggressively diversifying training and scaling up a network of supplier and contractor partners.
Speaker 4: We feel good about the progress so far and see many ways we can improve. As I said on our call last quarter, we are committed to building a team of world-class talent to help us remain a leader in transforming the supply chain.
Speaker 4: During the quarter, we added several key team members who are already making important contributions to operations. Scaling and execution are important in driving our near-term results, but we believe that constantly innovating can sustain those results over the long term.
Thank you everyone for your support and interest in what we are doing and for helping us as we realize our vision transforming the supply chain. It's exciting to see our plane coming together and we have a long way to go, but we're making great progress. Thank you. Now, Tom will discuss our financial performance and output. Tom?
for your support and interest in what we are doing and for helping us as we realize our vision transforming the supply chain. It's exciting to see our plane coming together. And we have a long way to go, but we're making great progress. Thank you. Now, Tom will discuss our financial performance and outlook. Tom, thank you, Rick.
Second quarter revenue of $267 million grew 177 percent compared to a year ago, driven by incredibly strong deployment progress. We initiated seven new system deployments during the quarter and, as planned, advanced one system to full operation. We now have 28 active system deployments in process with multiple customers.
an increase from 22 systems last quarter of nine systems in the second quarter of last year. Our rapid revenue growth was driven by progress on deployments with particular strength from physical installation at our customer sites. As Rick mentioned, we are gaining efficiency in our deployments.
by standardizing our systems, streamlining our deployment processes, and realizing the benefits of outsourcing. Our cash and equivalents, including marketable securities and restricted cash, grew $17 million sequentially to $465 million.
our systems, streamlining our deployment processes, and realizing the benefits of outsourcing. Our cash and equivalents, including marketable securities and restricted cash, grew $17 million sequentially to $465 million due to favorable working capital performance.
We believe we have more than adequate resources on hand to achieve our strong growth plans.
and remain very well capitalized to execute our strategy. Recurring revenue continues to grow sequentially as deployments move to production.
We now have nine systems operating at customer sites. Over time, as system completions cascade, recurring revenue should grow to have a much higher gross margin than systems revenue, as well as become an increasing share of our revenue mix. We now have nine systems operating at customer sites.
to provide powerful operating leverage to our business. Our second quarter adjusted gross margin increased 100 basis points sequentially.
These results still reflect significant costs associated with lower margin innovation initiatives. The burden of elevated pass-through skill costs.
and cost associated with rapidly scaling our operations. Adjusted system gross margin improved by 70 basis points sequentially after excluding $5.2 million of the $8.4 million in severance and restructuring charges that flowed through cost of goods sold. This charge was related to discontinued manufacturing activities in Montreal.
cost savings and margin expansion. In the second quarter, operating expenses excluding stock-based compensation increase sequentially as we continue to invest in innovation that can drive sustained growth and margin expansion.
Finally, operating leverage improved as we achieved a 4% adjusted EBITDA loss rate compared to 8% last quarter and 27% last year.
This was driven by our revenue growth and expanding gross margin. Turning to our output, for the third quarter of fiscal 2023, we expect revenue of between $245 million to $265 million and an adjusted EBITDA loss of between $11 million and $8 million. For more information, visit
We are through the midpoint of our fiscal 2023 and are excited about the second half as we continue to transform the supply chain.
We are scaling our business and innovating rapidly to deliver for our customers. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter to provide an update on our progress and now welcome your questions. Operator, will you please open the Q&A?
Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your touch tone telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star 11. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from Andrew Kaplowitz of Citi. Your line is open. Good evening, everyone. Good evening, everyone.
Rick or Tom, can you give us more color into the transition outsourcing that you continue to see in terms of the restructuring charge you took? It looks like you expect to see maybe a slight improvement in losses and slightly lower revenue in Q3 than Q2, but are you experiencing in Q3 any of the impacts of the restructuring and when would you expect to see the full impact?
and property plans and equipment as well as three million dollars related to people related severance. So that's a little bit over a hundred full-time employees along with a little bit over a hundred contractors. That was executed and planned for at the end of the quarter. However, we really begin seeing the benefit of those savings as we get into our fiscal third quarter.
Again, those restructurings were associated with the discontinuity of cell manufacturing operations in Montreal and then the significant curtailment of bot manufacturing in Wilmington, Massachusetts. This follows on the heels, as Rick mentioned, of our successful transition of the manufacture of all these goods to outsource partners.
Thanks. I think last quarter you talked about maybe being a little more predictable in your revenue ramp, but you just beat Q2, beat the street by $50 million, and now you're predicting $10 million lower in Q3 despite your deployments continuing to rise. So, did you just somehow pull forward any revenue in Q2, or should we begin after Q3 yet?
our remaining performance obligation that we expect to disclose when we file our 10Q. Andy, I do think that our as we're growing scale here and deploying more systems the revenue is becoming that quarterly variability is becoming smoother. However, we are still growing really fast and we're ramping you out sourcing partners. So we clearly are still seeing some significant variability in terms of quarter on quarter growth.
maybe to give a sense for how this translates out. You know, we do expect to grow rapidly and that's driven by the 28 systems and deployment. However, you know, even as we look here into the second half, the strongest contribution in the second half is going to be driven from the nine systems that were started in the second half of 2022, for example. So, you know, short-
minor timing differences in one or two or three of those nine systems can have meaningful differences in terms of the actual quarterly revenue growth that we post. So as we have more systems in concurrent deployment, we continue to expect that those sort of quarterly variabilities and revenue will begin to diminish over time. Appreciate the color guys.
differences in one or two or three of those nine systems can have meaningful differences in terms of the actual quarterly revenue growth that we post. So as we have more systems in concurrent deployment, we continue to expect that those sort of quarterly variabilities and revenue will begin to diminish over time. Appreciate the color, guys. Thanks again.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from a line of Matt Somerville of DA Davidson. Your line is open.
Thanks a couple questions. 1st, Tom, can you maybe comment on based on the successes you're having out, you know, without sourcing and just when you believe the company will be achieve either positivity on a sustainable basis. And then I have a follow up. Yeah, thanks for the question, Matt. So we are, we are certainly encouraged with.
the successes we're having with our outsourcing partners and continue to work that program. As I think Rick highlighted and I emphasize as well, we do believe that that...
We'll begin to see benefits and leverage in the near to midterm and we continue to believe that over the long term.
that while certainly it'll help us achieve our primary goal in outsourcing, which was the ability to scale this business to a much greater scale, that we think it will result in a higher long-term profitability as well. So what we're not giving we're not getting guidance.
I think that consensus expectations in the street, many analysts are looking for profitability in Q4. So, you know, we're not looking forward to the full year. But what I can say is that we do believe that our operating leverage is quite high. That as we're able to scale revenue, we believe that we'll continue to benefit from expanding gross margins and we'll continue to see...
maybe some of the progress you're making with Breakpack and Simbot and when you think those solutions will be ready for game time, if you will.
We're making, so we're really pleased with the progress we've made on the SIMBOT. That was a big technology change for us. And though we are not realizing all the...
the value that will come, and it's going to come over time. There's some software that we're still releasing and some AI sourcing and predictive maintenance. All good things. So they'll be coming in the next year. But we're really pleased with two things. One,
We have a great new product. Two, we successfully managed to prototype it and then move it to outsourcing partners. So that will continue to improve. So that was a big deal in the last six months. And nobody should underestimate successfully outsourcing without blowing up your supply chain. So that's all I'll say about that. We're very happy with how it's gone.
On the brake pack, I'm probably there one day a week, sometimes two days a week. That's going to be a great product for us. It's still rough. It's our first prototype. We would expect...
in the next, certainly the next six months that we should see very good results out of that. I'll just add to that, Matt, that we are still actively field testing SimBot today too, so we haven't announced the final general release of that product, but we have many of those units out actually running in live production environments today at multiple sites and multiple customers.
Thank you very much for taking the questions. The first one is on the bridge from the fiscal first quarter to the most recently completed fiscal second quarter. Revenue is up roughly $60 million sequentially. I think EBITDA improved about $5 million. Tom, I know you called out a number of pass-throughs that were impacting that, such as steel. Could you elaborate a little bit more on how much that...
two points for its gross margin, then I'll talk about OPEX. There's a few factors that benefited the expansion in gross margin. First, recurring revenue margins are improving and recurring revenue is increasing as new deployments are water falling in.
Steel, while it's still significantly above the 10-year average, was actually a modest sequential benefit. So that actually was a part of the 100 basis point expansion as well. And finally, while we're still experiencing several hundred basis points of impact from rapid growth and innovation projects in our gross margin that are ahead when we talk about...
you know, a couple factors there. First, the restructuring plans you put in place really didn't have a material financial impact in the fiscal second quarter. Those will begin bending for this in earnest in 3Q. Also, if you recall when we when we talked about the second quarter, we talked about the
We had a lot less project and other variable work in the quarter. We had some more of that, just a project and variable type of activity in the fiscal second quarter. We're also continuing a long-term plan to upgrade and transform our talent overall.
And so we are seeing a little bit higher average cost per employee. In particular, as we look at the transformation of our workforce, we've had a material shift towards technical talent. And that was particularly strong in the second quarter. So those are the things that we think will materially benefit over the long run. And while we're not disclosing headcount numbers in detail, net we actually saw an over 20 percent increase in the overall population.
headcount increase in our engineering force, despite the total company in terms of full-time employees being down 20 headcounts, for example. Thank you for all the helpful comments, Tom. My second one was on the backlog. Thank you for giving the update on where it stands in total. Could you comment any more on the composition of it in terms of what kind of gross margin you might think is embedded in the backlog relative to where you're running? And when you think about the backlog, how much is...
Heavily populated by systems revenue as some of our recurring revenue sources will have annual or only partial 10, 15 year type of contributions.
And.
First part of your question, Mark? Yes, thanks Tom. Anything you can share on the gross margin embedded in the backlog relative to where the company is currently running if you're able to comment there. Yeah, thank you. So overall gross margin is 18.3%. We continue to expect that the structural gross margins implicit in that backlog are much closer to 30%. Okay, I will continue with this primarily to date. So you are going hat know what else we can say then and give you the full answer when questions are answered and will go OK. I don't understand why you have to go to the Whoa, there's nobody I can see by now,
The difference between that 18% and the high 20s percents is really the three factors that I talked about relative to your first question. In particular, the biggest of which is the financial impact in our COGS of our rapid growth and our shift to outsourcing along with our innovation projects that are heavily weighted in upfront revenues in that backlog.
The, you know, that close to 30% structural gross margin is structural for the systems revenue only. As we think about structural gross margins for the recurring component of that backlog, we see them well north of 50% into the 60% range. So you blend those two together to get something that's in the mid to higher 40s, high 30s.
Thank you. Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlasi of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlasi of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Yeah, thanks for the question, guys. Always look for your top face if you saw crucifixion on Guild carbon related websites.
Hi there. Maybe just starting on the restructuring. So with the continued focus on outsourcing, should we expect more of these restructuring charges to come or do you think this is more of a one-off? And any color at all on?
quantifying the benefit that we should see from what you spent in the quarter over the next several quarters. Thanks. Yeah, thanks for the question Nicole. So as I said my prepared remarks, the restructuring includes the complete discontinuation of manufacturing of our cell cells in Montreal and a significant curtailment in Wilmington. So while we don't have any others, we'll be happy to answer any questions.
to talk about today. That's a significant portion of the manufacturing activity we had to date. Obviously, we're continuing to advance our outsourcing initiatives across the range of things that we do. So, there may be more in the future, but we'll talk about those as it's time to talk about them. Got it. Thanks. And then, um,
Just shifting to the steel dynamic, so steel inflation has continued to tick a bit higher year to date. Is the expectation that this quarter is kind of the maximum benefit that you should see from steel? You talked about it being a sequential good guy. Does it then turn into a sequential bad guy in the second half of the year? Thanks.
Yeah, thanks for the question, Nicole. And you're right, if you pull up the steel chart, it's shown quite a bit of volatility. So no, based on what we've seen to date, our steel purchases tend to be dollar weighted in the 10 to 12 months prior to actual installation, where the revenue is concentrated, the installation phase. So we would actually expect the max benefit quarter to be our fiscal Q4.
before you begin to see some of the up-taking that we've seen recently create some headwinds. So, you know, it is hard to predict where these things are going to go because of the nature, which is one of the fortunate things that our business model allows us to pass these costs on to, largely pass these costs on to our customers.
making our profit dollars very predictable, even though it does have a gross margin impact in terms of what we report on a percentage basis. Thanks, I'll pass it on. Thanks again, Nicole. Thank you. Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Ritucci of Needham. Your line is open.
Thanks for allowing the question. This is very important, the background noise. But a question on gross margins. If some of you cited several factors that could be more of a tell when the gross margin, but I'm also trying to understand where exactly you are.
in the ramp up of your outsourcing partners. If you're making enough progress in the early days of this that we're gonna continue to see that be a benefit in the next one to two quarters, or is there still additional costs that are occurring in the ramp fees.
outsourcing partners. Thanks. Thanks for the question, Jim. We do see more tailwinds as we look forward. Now we are still, we are still have, we still do have a lot of work to do with our outsourcing partners. So while we have significant Amanda and electron seen.
happening across our entire value chain. We're still working on acquiring more partners across each of those, both manufacturing and air pollution and emissioning here.
We also expect our public with these partners in terms of collaboration and communication is going to benefit our mutual operations together over time. And so this is something that we think will provide opportunity to improve our efficiency over a multi-quarter timeframe rather than just a multi-week timeframe.
And then there's just some nearer term benefits that now that we have the confidence and the capacity up and running at these partners that we're able to do things like this continue our own operations. That provides some immediate benefits. So I'd say it's a mix, Jim, but we clearly have a significant roadmap of opportunity over many quarters. And I don't know if you want to comment on this, but I'm also trying to understand.
seven system deployments in the last quarter we just reported, in our fiscal second quarter. We don't tend to guide for the one quarter forward. I do think that there can be quarter-on-quarter variability in those numbers. So as we think about multiple quarters over time, we look to grow that number. But Jim, you should assume that there will be some ups and downs in terms of quarters. And we feel like the seven we did this quarter and the six we did last quarter.
is an exceptionally strong quarter relative to our growth plans. Got it. Thanks for that. Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Lattimore of Northlink Capital. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks. Just in terms of supply availability, is that improving? Is there further improvement that could occur? Can you just give some tone around that?
Yeah, thanks for the question Mike. We do continue to believe that the supply chain environment is improving. It is still not a normal supply chain environment. So we are still clearly battling things that would have been atypical pre-COVID in terms of.
canceled orders and things like that. In addition to perhaps the supply chain environment getting better, we are a much more formidable buyer. So we're getting the attention of suppliers, we're getting the attention of partners. And so those we think as well are continuing to improve our ability to execute.
Great. And then in terms of the future plans on outsourcing, is the main focus here adding more partners to current sort of functional categories? Are there other functions you're looking that you will eventually outsource? No. We pretty much picked the partners, though.
So we have partners that will help us install sites, partners that will help us build the symbots, partners that will help us build the cells. So we are pretty well...
executed our strategy on outsourcing and the partners will get better. They'll continue to help us innovate, but we're done. We're pretty much, this last two quarters were big quarters for us in getting this job done. So we've got the functions covered, Mike, and now our goal is to deepen the bench and broaden the bench.
strategy on outsourcing and the partners will get better. They'll continue to help us innovate, but we're done. We're pretty much just this last two quarters were big quarters for us in getting this job done. Yeah, so we've got the functions covered Mike and now our goal is to deepen the bench and broaden the bench. Okay. Thank you.
Thanks, Wayne. Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Palm of Craig Helem. Your line is open. Yeah, thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to follow up on the outsourced commentary now that you're several more months into that. Can you just comment on how that's translating the speed cost as you shifted more of that to partners? I guess I'm asking relative to maybe what your earlier or prior expectations was.
Greg, it has enabled us to continue to execute to our plan. So we are seeing our targeted deployments set with a little bit faster timeframe than we were executing to the systems that we're just completing, for example. And as we've engaged with these partners and talked about the kind of structural improvements, both in terms of processes and collaboration, but also in terms of technology.
We are further encouraged that the opportunity to compress deployment timeframe is real, tangible, and something that we're going to work on together over the coming multiple quarters to years.
Okay, and then just following up on an earlier question about EBITDA profitability, Tom, you commented on, I guess, consensus estimates for Q4, and I guess my question is were you effectively blessing those, or what was the rationale for commenting on those directly? Yeah, thanks for the question, Greg. No, we're not providing full year guidance.
But I just wanted to set context for it. So what we will say is as the revenue is able to scale, we believe that we're in a strong position to have high operating leverage.
I just wanted to set context for it. What we will say is as the revenue is able to scale, we believe that we're in a strong position to have high operating leverage. Okay, fair enough. I'll leave it there, thanks.
Thanks, Greg. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano of Cowling. Your line is open. Hey, guys. Hi, Joe. Rick, just giving your comments about Breakback and you're making good progress there, planning out over the next six months, how should we think about R&D levels post-COVID?
2023, like, could we see a step down in spend now that you've kind of gone through SIMBOT and you're going through Breakback to a large extent now? How should we think about the required levels to keep the organization on the cutting edge?
Yeah, I don't think you'll see a reduction in R&D.
Yeah, I don't think you'll see a reduction in R&D. I think we'll look to
to pull money out by just being more efficient with the organization, but we're going to continue to fund R&D. Simply because we have a lot of great products that we haven't talked about that are in the works that are going to help us a lot. This is just a great innovative lab here and we continue to...
things that we haven't talked about yet that Rick mentioned. Looking forward.
And then like, how should I think about, you know, ancillary things like it when you're okay, so the final output of Simbot you have a pallet and then you talk about how to get that pallet onto a truck. Is it forklift drivers? Is it automated forklifts? Like when do you how do you evaluate like what stuff we should provide and what stuff we should have a preferred partner like if it was an autonomous forklift or something like that? That we shouldn't Blair that you don't do everything there. That's the thinkingumping when means the situation.
all the software that we can within a warehouse. So if we can find a partner that has a AGV or AMR, and we can interface our software with this software and load the truck, the customer wins, we create more value, that's a good thing. The things that we're really innovating on, that we had to, that's kind of the culture of the company from SimBot from day one is a lot of this stuff that we innovated on SimBot, I mean, I looked for partners, I couldn't find it.
to create some really interesting systems.
Last for me, just to clean up, are there any lockups left at this point? The stock has been over 12 bucks for the required time now. I'm curious if there are any lockups remaining inclusive of you guys on the senior team?
There are, so some of the affiliated shares are still locked, but everything is unlocked save for board members, Rick and Family Trusts, and myself.
And where our lockup is in effect until a year post the public listing. Okay, thanks guys. Thank you.
and our lockup is in effect until a year post the public listing. Okay, thanks guys. Thank you. Thank you. One moment, please.
Our next question comes from the line of Rob Mason of RWB, your line is open.
Yes, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask a question just to clarify on the backlog. You noted that it was flat quarter to quarter and clearly you book 267 million in revenue. I'm just curious what the offset was. Was there a new customer in there or did you add?
when we entered the period. And that variable consideration relates to? Relates to the business that's now under deployment and execution. So the variable component is higher than what it was before we had that component added.
to the started deployments. Okay, okay. Just as a follow-up, you've brought on a lot of partners as you've outlined here over the last two quarters. How many of your partners have you observed them?
Basically, start to finish on. Projects or deployments to be able to assess. You know, the timeline that they're working on, you know, working from from initial. Start, I guess you just speak to about their ability to commission and get projects over the finish line. How you feel about that in the timeframe. Yeah, thanks Robin. Yeah, this highlights something. So while we did, we made.
our list systems, for example. So our experience in those first waves have gone from start to finish with a high degree of success and teamwork with those partners. So this latest wave we have completed...
an extensive part, I'd say, of the outsourcing life cycle with them. But we do have a long demonstrated track record of being successful with outsourcing from start to finish and then for a year or two to follow that. Very good. Thank you.
an extensive part, I'd say, of the outsourcing life cycle with them. But we do have a long demonstrated track record of being successful with outsourcing from start to finish and then for a year or two to follow that. Very good. Thank you. Thanks, Rob.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Derek Spadaberg. Okay, answer your line is open. Yeah, hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Sort of related to the question just asked, just as regard to just looking at the system deployments initiated this quarter, is the expectation that those deployments today will sort of reach live production?
faster than maybe those initiated six to 12 months ago. Just curious if you can update us on your progress shrinking, those deployment timelines, and if you can quantify any of that progress, that'd be great. Yeah, just to give you a sense there, so you know, as the supply chain environment got tighter looking backwards, we actually extended the time frame a bit. So we got an earlier start on procurement.
Since that timeframe, we've been able to pull in a couple months. Part of that's related to partners and part of that's just the efficiencies that we're able to gain in getting these systems out in the field. So short answer to your question is yes, that the systems we're initiating in this period, we're targeting a shorter deployment than the ones we initiated, say, six or 12 months ago. Got it. That's helpful. I was wondering if you could talk a bit about...
your ability to add another large customer this year. You know, a lot of progress on concurrent deployment. Sounds like you're happy with the outsourcing partners. Do you think you guys have the ability to add sort of another, say, multi-billion dollar customer this year? And are those some agreements, are you actually actively pursuing those agreements right now?
Yeah, thanks for the question, Derek. So as you know, we added UNFI as a customer and discussed that last period. Our business plan continues to be here in the near term to add new customers by the ones or twos per year. So we are continuing to evaluate. We didn't add one in this quarter we're reporting now, but we are continuing to look at that and do expect that here in the near term, one to two customers per year. Great, thanks. Thank you. Thank you. One moment, please.
Our next question comes from the line of Chris Snyder of UBS. Your line is open. Thank you. When we see the implied improvement in fiscal Q3 margins, is this primarily driven by better gross margin? And with that, how far do you think the business is from hitting that 30% target gross margin?
to see gross margin expansion as we look forward over quarters and that is consistent to improving gross margin is implicit in our outlook. But we also do expect that we'll see some efficiencies in our OPEX primarily from the benefit of the Restruction Program that I discussed in my prepared remarks. So that's the real fundamental basis for seeing.
the bit of operating leverage on slightly lower revenues implicit in our guide. Thinking about structural gross margins, we think that that's an effort that will take us several quarters to a couple of years to really get the benefit. Here in the near term, what we're focused in on is driving strong long-term profitability. We think that we can drive the greatest present value of our business by
by achieving scale and getting in and penetrating the market. And while we're doing that, we're focused on smart execution and ramping profitability over the course. So we want that balanced approach of maximizing long-term profitability and scale while being executing with expanding margins. Thank you. I appreciate that. And then for our follow-up, maybe something a little bit higher level. You guys have quite the blue chip customer base. So with that, I was just wondering, is there any color commentary you could provide around the level of existing automation within these customer facilities? Just given that they're big customers, I would imagine there's some level.
have, look at everything in the world. And so they have had some type of automation.
What of course is exciting for us is that we believe we're the next generation of that automation and these systems have a long life once installed. So the focus has really been making sure these customers are just brangly happy with what we're selling.
and then we think we can sell a lot more. Thank you. Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jeff Evans for any closing remarks.
Thank you Valerie and thank you everyone for joining our call this afternoon. We appreciate your interest in Symbiotic and we look forward to seeing you at our investor day on May 18th in Tampa for when we're out visiting with investors. Thank you and have a good day.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.