Q4 2023 NetApp Inc Earnings Call

Good day and welcome to the NetApp fourth quarter and fiscal year 2023 earnings call. All participants will be in listen only mode.

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I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Newton, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Hi everyone, thanks for joining us. With me today are our CEO George Kurian and CFO Mike Barry. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our website at NetApp.com.

During today's call, we will make a number of forward-looking statements and projections with respect to our financial outlook and future prospects, including without limitation, our guidance for the first quarter and fiscal year 2024, our expectations regarding future revenue, profitability, and shareholder returns.

and other growth initiatives and strategies.

These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties which may cause our actual results to differ materially.

For more information, please refer to the documents we file from time to time with the SEC and on our website, including our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q . We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements and projections.

During the call, all financial measures presented will be non-GAAP unless otherwise indicated. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP estimates are available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to George.

Thanks Chris. Welcome everyone to our fourth quarter FY23 call. Our Q4 results reflect solid execution in the face of ongoing macroeconomic challenges.

We delivered revenue above the midpoint of our guidance with disciplined operational management, yielding all-time high quarterly operating margins and ETFs above expectations.

For FY23, we delivered record high annual operating margins and EPS, despite the slow demand environment and relatively flat revenue from FY22.

Even as customers are tightening their budgets in response to the macro, they are not stopping investments in applications and technologies that drive business productivity and growth.

Digital transformation projects involving business analytics, AI, data security, and application modernization, both on-premises and in the cloud, remain top priorities for IT organizations.

This drives our confidence in the health of our markets and future growth opportunity, despite the temporary macro headwinds.

We are participating in the areas of priority spending with a modern approach to hybrid multi-cloud infrastructure and data management by providing customers with the ability to leverage data across their entire estate with simplicity, security, and sustainability.

we increase our relevance and value, and we continue to introduce new innovations to deliver greater customer value, further strengthening our position.

On our last call, I outlined our three areas of focus.

to sharpen our executions to better deliver results.

while at the same time positioning ourselves for long-term success.

As a reminder, the focus areas are.

remain prudent stewards of the business, tightly managing the elements within our control.

re-invigorate efforts across the company in support of our storage systems business.

and build a more focused approach to our public cloud business.

As you can see from our Q4 and FY23 results, we have demonstrated success in managing the elements within our control and staying flexible to adapt to the ever-changing environment.

We remain committed to maintaining operational discipline as we move through FY24.

adjusting as appropriate to drive operating margin expansion and EBS growth while also continuing to invest for the long term.

Turning to our storage systems business.

Q4 hybrid cloud segment revenue of $1.4 billion was down 8% year over year and up 4% sequentially.

Our all-flash rate business decreased 4% from Q4 a year ago to an annualized revenue run rate of $3.1 billion.

Similar to Q3, headwinds from large enterprises weighed on our product and AFA revenue.

As you've seen, we are reinvigorating our storage portfolio, innovating to deliver greater customer value, reach new customers, and better address areas of priority spending and market growth.

ONTAP AI and FlexPod AI are proven and tested reference architectures to help speed and simplify AI deployments.

These solutions are designed around our all-flash arrays, which are uniquely suited to meet the performance, multi-protocol, and data mobility demands of AI workloads.

In Q4, we demonstrated industry leading performance in the GPU Direct benchmark.

proof of our ability to enable customers to use the full power of GPU technology for AI.

Our affinity to AI use cases doesn't stop at performance.

ONTAP includes native data management tools that streamline workflows for data science teams and integrate multi-platform, multi-site and multi-cloud data pipelines.

With new performance and data management features planned in upcoming ONTAP releases,

We expect to raise the bar again, not just for performance.

but for total workflow solutions that help companies realize the benefits of AI faster and with better results.

The new AFFC series, our comprehensive portfolio of QLC-based All Flash arrays, began shipping late in Q4. We are very pleased with the initial customer response. In addition to lots of coding activity, we are also pleased with the initial customer response.

We closed a good number of deals in the fourth quarter.

One of our early C-series wins was a $15 million deal at a large financial institution for business-critical workloads in its cloud-ready, service-level-defined environment.

We beat the competition with a solution that was significantly denser and more energy efficient.

Following this highly successful launch, we introduced the NetApp ASA A-Series early in Q1.

The ASA is a new line of SAM specific flash storage systems that deliver high levels of performance.

scalability, data availability, efficiency, and cloud connectivity.

with up to 50% lower power consumption and associated carbon emissions than competitive offerings.

The ASA complements our Unified Storage Operings.

to address block-only use cases while avoiding the operational and data silos of competitors' products.

We are also innovating to improve the customer experience.

In Q4, we introduced NetApp Advance, a portfolio program bringing predictability and adaptability, including the storage lifecycle program for nondisruptive storage upgrades.

At the start of Q1, we announced ONTAP1, a simple way to buy and consume all the native software capabilities of ONTAP.

We're enhancing the value of these built-in capabilities with our ransomware recovery guarantee.

which leverages ONTAP's unique combination of key built-in security and ransomware protection features to detect

stop and recover from ransomware attacks in real time.

In addition to delivering significant innovation, we've also rebalanced our go-to-market efforts.

including focusing on broad sales organizations.

selling flash through compensation plans and reinstituting a specialist sales team for cloud.

We believe these actions will allow the team to better address the large storage dam.

Entering FY24, I'm confident that these actions will enable us to drive product revenue growth and regain share in the all-flash array market.

We are seeing only positive signs, but the full benefit of these changes will take time to develop and should be a driver for product revenue growth in the second half.

While we are sharpening our attack on the storage market, we are not taking our eye off the public cloud opportunity.

Public Cloud ARR of $620 million was up 23% year over year and ahead of our expectations.

driven by strength in public cloud storage services. Our public cloud business in Q4 was back and loaded, resulting in softer revenue and lower DD-NRR than our ARR results would indicate.

Public cloud revenue for Q4 was $151 million and DB NRR was 114%.

Our public cloud services are highly differentiated with a multi-year advantage over our traditional competitors and they create customer preference for NetApp.

The number of total cloud customers, customers using multiple of our public cloud services, and customers with greater than $500,000 of revenue in the quarter all continue to grow nicely.

While like our cloud partners, we see continued cloud optimizations, some of the customers whose optimizations created significant headwinds for us in FY23 have kicked off new projects that we expect to scale over the next 18 months. We believe that our first party storage services will be able to be used to scale over the next 18 months.

branded and sold by our cloud partners, represent our biggest opportunity.

We have aligned our sales specialist resources to our cloud partners customer segmentation and go-to-market structure to tighten our alignment to and improve our execution against this opportunity. Over the course of FY24, we will scale our customer success team.

to further improve customer retention and expansion and develop a more focused cloud channel model.

Cloud operations remains an important market for us, and we have dedicated go-to-market resources to address this opportunity.

We have not wavered in our convictions that public cloud services has the potential to be a multi-billion dollar ARR business for us.

While the shift to cloud is experiencing an industry-wide slowdown, the long-term trend in favor of cloud is unchanged.

In conclusion, while FY23 was not the year we expected at its outset, our discipline management enabled us to overcome a number of headwinds to deliver all-time high operating margin and ETS. The fundamentals of our business model are sound and our confidence in our strategy is

and the health of long-term opportunity is unchanged.

We are entering fiscal year 24 with substantially more innovation and a new, more focused operating model to attack the areas of priority spending.

in this uncertain environment, we will remain agile and continue to be disciplined stewards of the business.

We believe our actions will drive margin expansion and earnings growth while yielding top-line growth in the back half of the year.

Thank you to the NetApp team for their dedication and focus. I am pleased with our progress, but we recognize our work is not done. We look forward to building on this momentum and driving long-term value for our shareholders. I'll now turn the call over to Mike.

Thank you George and good afternoon everyone. As George noted, we are laser focused on managing the elements within our control. Our focus enabled us to deliver strong P&L performance for the full year and Q4. Before getting into the detail...

Let me quickly highlight the key themes of our results and expectations for fiscal year 24. As a reminder, all numbers discussed are non-GAAP unless otherwise noted.

We delivered record-setting operating margin and EPS above our guidance range in both Q4 and fiscal year 23. We will continue to prudently manage the business to position ourselves for long-term success while driving further operating margin expansion.

and EPS growth in fiscal year 24.

We are confident in the strength of our position and alignment to areas of priority spend.

However, macro uncertainties and FX headwinds have pressured IT budgets and lowered spending.

We believe these headwinds are temporary and that the spending environment will rebound in time.

We reached our product gross margin target of mid-50s ahead of expectations.

In fiscal year 24, we expect to maintain product gross margins at this level and drive improvement to public cloud gross margin.

In fiscal year 23, we returned 148% of free cash flow to shareholders and reduced full-year share count by 4% from the prior year. We plan to continue a strong policy of shareholder returns in fiscal year 24. Now to the details.

Fiscal year 23 billings of $6.41 billion were down 4% from fiscal year 22. Revenue of $6.36 billion was up 1% year over year. Adjusting for the headwind from FX, billings would have been down 1%.

revenue would have been up 4% year-over-year. Discipline operational management yielded all-time fiscal year highs for operating margin and EPS.

Operating margin was 24.2% including a 150 basis point headwind from FX.

EPS was $5.59 and included $0.57 of year-over-year FX headwind.

Q4 billings of $1.67 billion were down 17% year over year, including roughly two points of FX headwind.

Revenue came in above the midpoint of our guidance range at 1.58 billion dollars down 6% from last year or 4% adjusting for FX.

The uncertain macro negatively impacted revenue in both our hybrid cloud and public cloud segments, as customers continue to exhibit caution in capital expenditures and look to optimize cloud spend.

Hybrid cloud revenue of $1.43 billion was down 8% year over year.

Product revenue was $744 million and down 17% from Q4 last year.

Support revenue of $598 million increased 1% year over year.

Public Cloud ALR exited the year ahead of expectations at $620 million, up 23% year over year.

Public cloud revenue composed 10% of total revenue in Q4 and grew 26% year-over-year to $151 million.

We exited fiscal year 23 with $4.31 billion in deferred revenue, an increase of 2% year-over-year.

Growth of deferred revenue is the best leading indicator for recurring revenue growth.

Q4 marks the 21st consecutive quarter of year-over-year deferred revenue growth.

Q4 consolidated gross margin was 69% above our guidance.

Total hybrid cloud gross margin was also 69%.

The product growth margin was 55%, well ahead of guidance, driven by lower premiums, better mix, and lower FX headlines.

As we've described on previous calls, we expect to retain all the benefit from the reduction in premiums and will be responsive to market pricing of commodity components.

Our recurring support business continues to be highly profitable.

with gross margin of 92%.

Public cloud gross margin was 66%.

Q4 again highlighted the strength of our business model and our operational discipline with operating margin of 26% an all-time quarterly high.

EPS of $1.54 was comfortably above the high end of guidance and included $0.08 of year-over-year FX headwind.

In Q4, cash flow from operations was $235 million and free cash flow was $196 million. Free cash flow for fiscal year 23 of $868 million came in below expectations due to lower collections and

timing of payments. As we noted on our last call, Q4 cash flow included certain one-time restructuring and tax payments, together totaling approximately $85 million.

Inventory terms of 12 were steady from last quarter and last year.

During Q4 we repurchased $150 million in stock and paid out $106 million in cash dividends.

For the year, we were purchased a total of $850 million in stock.

paid out 432 million dollars in cash dividends representing 148% of free cash flow.

Q4 diluted share count of $217 million was down 5% year over year.

We have approximately $400 million left on our current share repurchase authorization as of the end of fiscal year 23 and today are announcing an additional authorization of $1 billion.

Our balance sheet remains very healthy. We close the year with $3.07 billion in cash and short-term investments.

Now to guidance. Let me underscore our confidence in our strategy and the strength of our position in addressing key customer priorities like business analytics, AI, data security, and application modernization.

However, we expect the MACROL to remain challenged with continued pressure on IT budgets and the demand environment.

As a result, we expect fiscal year 24 total revenue to be down in the low to mid single digits measured on a percentage basis.

Public Cloud will continue to be a positive contributor with revenue growth expected in the mid-teens.

Implied in our fiscal year 24 revenue guidance is year-over-year growth in the second half driven by sales of recently introduced flash products and benefits from our voter market changes. While we are hopeful that the macro economy will improve in the second half of our fiscal year.

Our plans for fiscal year 24 incorporate the environment we are seeing today and do not assume a material change to the economic or demand backdrop.

We expect fiscal year 24 consolidated gross margin to be roughly 70%.

We believe that product margins will remain at approximately 55%.

supported by lower premiums and a rotation to higher margin all flash products. To take advantage of record low NAM prices...

We have made strategic purchase commitments to lock in pricing for a large portion of our expected fiscal year 24 SSD demand. This will help us maintain product gross margin levels when component prices rise in the future.

We expect to see public cloud gross margin improvement in fiscal year 24 driven by revenue scale and lower depreciation expense. We remain confident in our long term public cloud gross margin target of 75 to 80%.

We anticipate operating margins of approximately 25% in EPS of $5.65 to $5.85. Implied in this guidance is the expectation that we will hold operating expenses roughly flat versus fiscal year 23. Fiscal year 24 OPEX includes benefits

evenly throughout the year.

We expect a tax rate in the range of 21 to 22 percent.

Operating cash flow will move in line with net income.

although there will be some quarterly variance based on working capital.

As we stated before, fiscal year 23 should be the peak for CapEx, with expenditures beginning to come down in fiscal year 24.

Our healthy cash generation enables us to continue our strong program of capital returns to shareholders.

In fiscal year 24, we intend to return 100% of free cash flow to shareholders in share buybacks and dividends.

We plan to hold our quarterly dividend steady at $0.50 per share throughout fiscal year 24, with the remainder of free cash flow going to share buybacks.

We expect the timing of buybacks to be roughly similar to fiscal year 23 and a reduced share count by at least 2% in fiscal year 24.

Now, on the Q1 guidance, we expect Q1 revenue to range between $1.325 billion and $1.475 billion which, at the midpoint, implies a decline of 12% year-over-year. Remember that first half fiscal year 23 revenue, most notably product revenue, is a decline

benefited from elevated levels of backlog from supply chain constraints, impacting the year-over-year comparison.

We expect Q1 consolidated gross margin to be roughly 70% and operating margin to be approximately 20%.

EPS should be in the range of $1 to $1.10.

Q1 cash flow will be impacted by payments associated with SSD purchase commitments.

partially offset by lower incentive compensation payments year-over-year related to our fiscal year 23 performance.

In closing, I want to echo Georgia's appreciation of the NetApp team and their continued commitment in this uncertain environment.

As I look forward in the fiscal year 24, I am confident in our strategy and our ability to continue to improve our execution and increase profitability. I'll now turn the call back over to Chris for Q&A.

Thanks, Mike. Operator, let's begin the Q&A. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad.

If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.

To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Once again, that was star then 1 to ask a question and at this time we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster.

And our first question will come from Erin Recore of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi guys, thank you. This is Michael on behalf of ARIN. I just wanted to ask, you mentioned some customers have kicked off new projects following a period of digestion or optimization. I'm just curious, can you give us a sense of how many customers you put in this bucket versus ones that continue to be cautious or maybe are becoming incrementally more cautious?

Just trying to get a sense of how the demand environment has changed. Thanks. Broadly speaking, the Q4 demand environment was not substantially different from what we saw in Q3 and our plans for next year contemplate continuation of the same environment.

We talked about in the cloud segment some of the larger customers who had significantly optimized their landscapes through the course of the prior quarters began to take on the projects that we anticipated them taking on. These projects take some time to ramp.

We also saw strength in new customer additions and the number of customers that were using multiple products from NetApp, so all good signs for future revenue growth. That being said, customers on a broad basis are still cautious about spending.

and particularly in the large enterprise segment. Thank you.

The next question comes from Samik Chatterjee of JP Morgan. Please go ahead. The next question comes from Samik Chatterjee of JP Morgan.

Thanks for taking my questions. I guess for the first one, if I can sort of, you reiterated a few times you're really not baking in any macro improvement into the guide, but you did highlight the opportunity to get back to revenue growth in the second half. Just wondering if you can help us think through both of those pieces, particularly when I sort of… Are more clients eye- Reflecting broad knowledge…

put them against each other, it does look like you're calling for more of a share gain-led revenue rebound in the second half of the year. What sort of drives confidence in this sort of a sequential ramp in revenue through the year? Is there more to it than sort of share gain? And I have a quick follow up. Thank you.

I think broadly speaking, we are super excited about the recent portfolio introductions we've made. We've seen the benefits of improved focus in our field organizations. It takes a few quarters to build. And I think if you look at the pattern of sequential linearity.

through next fiscal year, it is similar to what we have seen in more traditional years. I think FY23 was a bit anomalous. And so we feel good about the progress through the year. I think with regard to the macro, we have rebuilt our plan.

When we talk about our guide for 24, when we talk about linearity, that's, and we define that as total revenue we expect in the first half versus the second half. That's much more at where we've been historically, which is about 48 and 52 percent in those half.

So when you take a look at the year-over-year growth rates in 24, just keep in mind that those were heavily influenced by the backlog last year. So when you normalize for that, it looks like a much more normal linearity in 24. On the weatherposing score,

cloud business, the growth expectations that you have for fiscal 24. Can you just outline how you're thinking about sort of retention business versus new business wins and also curious if you obviously highlighted the AI opportunity but do you see that opportunity on the cloud revenue side as well? Thank you.

Listen, I think first of all, we are very pleased with new customer acquisition, the broadening of our workloads, clearly the performance and the efficiency and multi-protocol capability of our storage is an advantage whether for AI workloads, whether they are on premises or in...

uniquely available with NetApp. I think with regard to our perspective for the full year, listen, cloud storage, especially the storage that's sold alongside the hyperscalers, will be the primary driver of our business next year. I think if you look at the total dollars, you know, in any given year.

the opportunity to expand existing customers is substantially larger than the amount that new customers contribute because they're just small. But we feel good about the base of new customer acquisition and now our installed base of cloud customers is very substantial so there's a good opportunity to cross-sell and up-sell them more capabilities.

Great. Thank you. Thanks for the call. The next question comes from Meta Marshall of Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead.

Great, thanks. Maybe first question, you know, you noted starting to kind of to notice the customers coming out as optimization periods and starting to add workloads. Just wanted to gain a sense of, you know, are you seeing that more with larger or smaller customers or any particular types of workloads that they're starting to kind of add back.

And then maybe second question, the Series C customer that you noted winning in the quarter, just any commentary on whether that was an existing customer and just you noted efficiency and kind of energy efficiency being the reason for the sale, but just kind of how long that sale takes.

workload deployments, meaning new applications, analytics environments, AIML environments, you know, and so on, right? And that has not slowed down. I think there was a period of time where customers were monitoring their environments and optimizing the infrastructure, but the new deployments continue. I think where we have seen...

Siebel being more cautious is about migrations of on-premises environments, for example, to public cloud where they are benchmarking the total cost of each of those landscapes. We have a large and growing opportunity in public cloud on new workloads because of the capabilities and the certifications that we continue to bring. And so we're excited about that opportunity.

I think with regard to the customer we mentioned, they were not using NetApp for the landscape that we won. We won, we replaced a competitive environment and we did so based on the new C-series products that had a significant advantage over all the competitive products.

both in terms of our traditional advantages around, you know, multi-protocol and all of the data management features, but we're also substantially more efficient from a power consumption and density standpoint.

Great, thanks so much. The next question comes from Steven Fox of Fox Advisors. Please go ahead. Hi, good afternoon. Just one question from me.

I don't think I'm alone in this, but the product gross margin surprised substantially the upside. You know, seven, eight points of upside by my count. Can you just sort of break down how that happened and whether any of that is transitional, how much carries through the rest of the year in your full fiscal year plan? Thanks. Sure. Hey, Stephen, it's Mike. So let's do the walk from Q3 to Q4. What will you go?

and we expected that to be. The two things that were incremental is mix came in better than we expected and by that we mean the capacity per system came in a little bit better. If you remember in Q3 we talked about that that caused a little bit of a reduction in gross margins as well as.

A little bit better off-lash margin. And then FX helped a little bit quarter on quarter as well. So that's the walk from 46 to 55. As we look into next year, we're assuming that we can retain that 55. There's a little bit of premium benefit left.

But we're also going to make sure that we are flexible as the component pricing rolls through that we can be competitive in the market. And then in addition, we also talked about, hey, we've done some strategic purchase commitments to lock in a large portion of the NAND supply for fiscal 24 at today's prices. So we're excited about that, being able to...

The next question comes from Amit Dariyanani of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Hi, thank you. This is Ervin Lu on for Omit. I wanted to double click on the drivers of a public cloud ARR outperformance during the quarter. I think you referenced cloud storage services strength, but can you talk about what you saw in data management and cloud optimization? Is there anything to call out for Spot just to give an increase to focus on optimizing cloud spend? And I also have a...

consumption business with our cloud provider partners.

About 11% of your revenue is public sector. From a debt ceiling perspective, I wanted to ask, are there any direct impacts we should be thinking about as it relates to your federal government exposure? Is there potential for delay?

in your accounts payable or any potential changes in how you view the budget flush environment looking through the back half of calendar 23.

Yeah, so thanks for the question. At this point, we don't expect any meaningful change in that business from an AR perspective or from a bookings perspective. We'll certainly watch it. We would expect this thing to have, to resolve itself in the relatively near term. At this point, we don't expect any material impact from all those discussions.

Thank you. The next question comes from Shannon Croft of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. My name is Shannon Croft of Credit Suisse.

Thank you very much. George, can you take a step back and maybe talk a bit, you know, from a higher level on how conversations with customers are going with regard to AI? And I'm thinking, you know, not just in like near term, but I'm trying to understand or figure out, because I think we all are, you know, what the various roles IC hardware will play.

in the AI proliferation that we're seeing. So I'm wondering, you know, well, you've got training, so do you need fast storage, and then you move to inferencing so it could be more traditional storage, or is that not correct? I'm just wondering because I know you're having probably a lot of conversations with customers that could be beneficial to us. Thank you.

We have done exceptionally well in the analytics, AI, deep learning environments. We have both technology leadership across multi-protocol, high-performance, scale-out storage and multi-cloud, which are super important buckets of what...

customers need to drive these analytic applications. And we have, you know, done, we've doubled our business this past year to a very significant amount. I think that the key use cases are, you know, business problems around, for example, in financial services sentiment analysis.

recommendation engines, advanced recommendations engines and e-commerce, precision medicine, cross-department clinical AI solutions. And then even last quarter we had a substantial win in a new form of metaverse around autonomous driving, right? So these are...

Advanced analytics engines that are being deployed on very large scale data sets, they typically require file and object and cloud integration. And today's environments are not the, you know, advanced LLM models. The majority of the business we see today are really around

re-platforming from Hadoop to more modern environments, as well as the use of advanced neural networks, we see the impending onslaught of chat GPT and tools like that where customers will take the open AI or open source generative AI model.

but then build it on top of their own data sets, which require the storage that we have. So we're excited about the future, and we have real, you know, strong performance in our AI and analytics business today. Thank you. That was helpful.

Mike, can you talk a bit about, I know OpEx is supposed to be flat, or you're planning on it being flat this year, but I'm wondering, you know, you delayed some investments and you've had some cost cutting in that. I'm wondering, given the gross margin out performance and the relative strength you're seeing or improvement you're seeing,

Is there room to maybe reaccelerate some of those investments, or is it just too early to make that call? Can we start brief?

Yeah Shannon, so what I'd say is we actually have accelerated some of those investments. We've talked about doing CONVERGE, which is our sales conference in person, as well as Insight. That's the first time in three years. We do a very good job. I give the team a lot of credit for reallocating dollars internally to really to reallocate to growth.

initiatives, you've seen us react very quickly from a product perspective in the last couple of months, C-Series and other things. So I think at this point we feel good about where we are from an OPEX perspective. We'll see how we get through the year. And when we talk about prudently managing the business, for us it is.

Make sure we spend the money in the right areas, but we always want to make sure we're investing in growth. And that's what we put in the guide for the year.

Great, thank you very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Ananda Berua of Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Hey, yeah, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Just picking up on Shannon's AI question, George, do you see an opportunity over time to have the product gross rate altered by AI on-prem? And actually, we just left a maybe even similar question for...

for cloud software as well. Thanks. I think the AI applications that drive business productivity are a topic of discussion in every CEO role around the globe because it is a key way to bring speed and operating efficiency to companies.

And so many of the applications that we talked about help transform a company's business model. And so they will get prioritized in spending envelopes, and we are really excited about our opportunity to capitalize on that. We have done the work not only to build high performance storage, but also to build high performance storage.

but in addition, build the integrations into all of the AI and data science tool chains that are common in the world and to enable a really flexible data pipeline that can start in the cloud where the tools are available.

but then can be operated at scale on the data in your data center. So we're really excited about what the future holds, and we're going to keep pushing forward. I see cloud and I see AI as two big opportunities for NetApp. We are super well positioned in both, and we look to take advantage of both of them going forward.

That's great. I guess as a follow-up, could you just talk a little bit about the ability, and I guess maybe even over what timeframe, that the newer NAND technologies could have on share gain on premise relative to HDD?

Just how should we think about that dynamic and over what period of time. Thanks so much.

I think the lower cost NAM technology that we've introduced in our products will become a bigger part of our business through the course of fiscal year 24 and will be the biggest part of the flash storage growth rate in the industry over the next two or three years.

these HDD replacement cycles are multi-year, right? I think if you saw the high performance 15K HDD segment, it took multiple years to transition that footprint. And so 10K, which is an even bigger part of the market, will take many years to transition. But we're excited about.

our offerings, the start that we've had, and the opportunity over the next many years.

the start that we've had and the opportunity over the next many years. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate it.

The next question comes from Chris Sankar of Cowen. Please go ahead. Hello, this is Robert Mertens on for Chris. Thank you for taking my questions. Congrats on a strong execution and guide with a targeted...

2024 product margins of around 55%. Could you give a little bit more color on how the strategic purchases of SSDs plays into the target? And on the flip side, if there's any risk to competitors doing the same or headwinds, if pricing declines, if there's any sort of elasticity there, and then out of one follow up.

Sure. Excuse me, it's Mike. So let's take both of those. So the guide of 55 assumes that's what we came out of Q4 with. There are some nice continued tailwinds going into next year. One is, of course, the continued shift to all flash which has higher margins. In addition to that, we do have a little bit of benefit from premium. So we feel good about the 55% number. The strategic purchases really help our call hedge that number.

but still be able to get to our product revenue goals for the year.

Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. And then just one more on the public cloud. Do you think the negative impact from cloud optimization efforts is behind us for the year? And would you mind sharing just sort of which areas within your cloud portfolio are seeing the strongest growth?

Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. And then just one more on the public cloud. Do you think the negative impact from cloud optimization efforts is behind us for the year? And would you mind sharing just sort of which areas within your cloud portfolio are seeing the strongest growth? Thank you.

I think it's premature to signal that cloud optimization is behind us. As we commented in our prepared remarks, I think that this...

Customers will continue to manage their spend, whether that is on data center infrastructure or on public cloud. I think what we continue to see is the projects and applications that drive business performance, especially core business growth, are getting prioritized and invested.

Those could be analytics, those could be AI, those could be, you know, digital manufacturing projects and on and on, right? I think where we have seen optimization and some amount of caution is in migration of enterprise workloads from data centers. You know, the old lift and shift.

I think people are taking a hard look and benchmarking both environments, you know, whether it's public cloud or on-premises. So I think that's where we continue to see some optimization. In the plan for 24, the real focus is on accelerating our hyperscaler storage, you know, the storage that is sold alongside our cloud providers. It had a good quarter this quarter.

We are uniquely positioned in the market and we are serving a wider and wider range of applications with the strength of our technology. Super excited about that.

Got it. All right. Well, thank you for letting me ask the questions. Welcome. The next question comes from Tim Long of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Two if I could as well. First, I was hoping you could talk a little bit. I think last quarter you talked about kind of increased focus given the large enterprises were a little bit more macro impacted, a little bit more focused on small and mid-sized businesses. Can you give us an update there on how

how that push into that customer class is going. And then second, if I could just come back to the QLC-based products. George talking about it taking more share. I'm just curious how you think it's going to further proliferate your portfolio. So are you going to start moving it into different workloads, different use cases?

How should we think about kind of progression of new products to help gain more share of All Flash and grow as a percent of your business? Thank you. Yes, so Vibhay, I can start with the portfolio. We've introduced three major expansions of our portfolio in the All Flash segment over the last four months to five months.

We have capacity flash, the broadest, most feature-rich, most competitive capacity flash products in the industry.

We've announced a set of entry flash products that are shipping, which brings our industry-leading software in an all-flash configuration at a price point that is perfect for mid-sized enterprises. We've announced a set of entry flash products that are shipping, which brings our industry-leading software in an all-flash configuration at a price point that is perfect for mid-size

And we introduced early this quarter an all SAN array which is a block only storage configuration for customers that have large block storage environments and don't want to use unified storage for those offerings. So major expansion to our product portfolio. The most significant expansion since we introduced our flash portfolio.

this fiscal year and again did so in Q4, representing the resilience of those customers to the macro spending environment. So we feel good about that. We moved some resources within our spending envelope. We re-prioritized some more resources to cover the commercial market for fiscal year 24.

Okay, thank you very much. The next question comes from Nahal Chokshi of Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you. Congrats on a nice result. Your billings did decelerate quite a bit.

15% year of year decline versus 7% year of year in the Q3. So given your guidance for now, it sounds like you do expect this building to represent a low point in terms of the building's trend. Is that correct? And if so, why is that?

So if you take a look at Q4, so total revenue was down year over year by about 6%. Total billings were down by about 17%. When you take a look at the difference between billings and revenue, product revenue and product billings are basically the same because there is no change in deferred. What we saw in the second half, especially in Q4 is

lower product bookings than correlated with less support bookings more

specifically the multi-year bookings that come with new sales. So we do expect to see that come back as we go through next year. That's going to be the difference that you see in Billings and Revenue. So based on the guidance for the year, which is revenue down low to mid single digit percent, we do expect Billings to be more flat to somewhere around plus or minus a couple percent.

I wanted to see if we could maybe unpack the public cloud business a little bit. In that last quarter, it seemed apparent that some of it was very much a recurring revenue stream and some of it was more sensitive and consumption-based. And I'd just like to get level set as to how to think of the composition of PCS as to...

what you would consider consumption based and what you would consider truly recurring. Thank you. Hey Simon, it's Mike. So we'll do this two ways. We've given this detail in the past. So cloud storage.

represents approximately 60% of the total cloud ARR. CloudOps represents about 40%. It stayed amazingly consistent through fiscal 23. If you then look at what is consumption versus subscription, consumption is going to be more than half of the business and it's growing.

as we go through 24. And then it doesn't mean that subscription is declining, it means that the consumption business is growing faster. And by consumption we mean, hey, there is no start or end date, it's not an annual or a multi-year subscription, it is a pay-go relationship. Thank you very much for that. Thank you.

The next question comes from David Vaught of UBS. Please go ahead.

Great, thanks guys for squeezing me in. So maybe this is a question for both George and Mike. When you think about sort of the product innovation engine and the new All Flash offerings versus sort of keeping your OpEx flat going forward, how should we think about sort of what you need to invest in the business as theoretically there should be sort of a pretty steep growth rate in storage demand.

by some of your customers over the next couple of years. And then maybe as a quick follow-up, when you think about AI and what it means maybe for your business, how do you think about productivity gains and the uses of those productivity gains within NetApp? So does that flow through or is that reinvested into the business whether it's go-to-market channels? I'm just trying to get a sense for how you think about

what the benefit for AI would look like for you over the next couple of years as well. Thanks. Okay. Let me hit the sort of the broad picture, right, which is, listen, I think that we are disciplined managers of the business. We are balancing a uncertain macro with the strength of our product portfolio and the long-term opportunity. And I think what you'll see is we continue to invest in the areas where we see the best returns.

so that we don't forgo the long-term health of the business. If we see the year outperform, we will certainly look at, you know, investing to further accelerate the business. But I think at this point in time, we want to be prudent in terms of managing the business just given the macro landscape. I think the second is...

With regard to AI uses at NetApp, we have a broad range of users. We already use AI in our customer support and our product portfolio to help customers be able to have much reduced management requirements, right? So we automate how data is managed in the system and automate how data is managed.

you know, self-healing of a system and as well as give customers intelligent chat box, for example, so that they don't have to wait in queues for all of their basic questions. I think with regard to the big, you know, areas that we see opportunity is really in software development productivity.

customers in a faster period of time. And I think those are some of the key areas of focus for us.

And David, it's Mike. If I could add one more from a go-to-market, we've talked a lot about building the customer success team, which adds productivity because we're able to shift renewals and cross-sells and up-sells and then create capacity for our core sellers. So that's another big initiative over the next couple of years.

Great, thanks George. Thanks Mike. The next question comes from Sidney Ho of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Great, thank you. I have a cash flow question. So I know Q1 is going to be impacted by all these strategic buys.

But Mike, how are you thinking about free cash flow for the fiscal year, maybe the linearity of that? It sounds like you're expecting to return 100% of free cash flow to shareholders this year. At what point do you think M&A will come back to be a priority? Thanks. Yeah, hey, thanks, Danny. So let's start at the top. So we ended the year fiscal 23 with $1.1 billion of operating cash flow.

next year. Working capital then will drive whether we can do a little bit better or not. We will have some lower cash outflows in Q1 because of the incentive compensation payments, so that will help Q1. The strategic buys will start a little bit in Q1 and then they'll build in Q2 and Q3 and then largely by the end of the year it's not a big deal.

The continuation of what we talked about last March, two marches ago, with a little bit of a tweak, going into the year, we've always said that we've spent about 70% of our free cash flow on return to shareholders in reserve, call it 30% for acquisitions. Going into fiscal 24, we'll over-index on share buybacks, especially in the first half.

It doesn't mean that we won't do any acquisitions. There's still a pipeline. We're still looking at them. But given where we are from an execution perspective and our focus on the business, we would rather reallocate that to share purchases, repurchases, excuse me, especially in the first half. And we'll see where it goes in the second half of the year. Okay. Great. Thanks.

We won't do any acquisitions. There is still a pipeline. We are still looking at them. But given where we are from an execution perspective and our focus on the business, we would rather reallocate that to share purchases, repurchases, excuse me, especially in the first half. And we will see where it goes in the second half of the year. Okay. Great. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.

Our last question will come from Lou Michaux of Daiwa Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Okay, thank you. George, I think you had said earlier in your script that you were going to regain some all-flash array share. Maybe you could go into that in any more detail. Do you think that you did lose some share, but obviously now with the new products coming out now in the second half that you're going to start to regain, maybe if you could mention how much you think you might have lost and what you think you might be able to gain back, and then just a quick follow-up after that. First of all, if you look at the recent print from our competitors, you can see that we

I think we took share already in the current quarter, so that's a good start to that dynamic. I think with regard to our overall, you know, kind of focus areas, we talked about expanding innovation to support our storage business. And so we've done a lot of product-led innovation into the market, as well as broad innovations in storage lifecycle management programs.

You know, last year, as I mentioned in our Q3 call, we had a compensation plan that was complex, having our frontline sales team sell a broad array of products, and that impacted execution. We have sharpened that, starting FY24, for our commitments.

and we have brought a much more focused approach to our cloud portfolio. So I expect us to, you know, we have the strongest hybrid flash portfolio in the industry. We now have the broadest capacity flash portfolio in the industry and truly the only unified storage portfolio in the industry. Unified now includes block.

file, object, and cloud. And so we've redefined the landscape for unified to take it to the next level. So we're excited about the portfolio. We've got to execute, and we're focused on it.

Okay, then very quick follow up on the guidance of down mid to low single. What is the FX expectation for next year? I assume that you're giving guidance and actual what you expect revenues to perform, but didn't know if you had an FX expectation in there.

Yeah, hey, Lewis, Mike, our expectation is it's not going to be a big impact at all, less than 1% based on where we sit today from a revenue perspective. So we don't think FX is going to be a big hit, and that's a small benefit where we are. Who knows where FX rates go after all of the fun that we've had with the debt ceiling and other things. We don't think it's going to be a big driver next year.

Okay, best of luck on the new year. All right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Lou. I'm going to pass it over to George for some closing remarks. Thanks, Chris. Our focused execution yielded solid Q4 results, capping off fiscal year 23 with record high annual operating margin and EPS despite the slow demand environment.

The fundamentals of our business model are sound and our confidence in our strategy and the health of long-term opportunity is unchanged. We will continue to prudently manage the elements within our control to drive margin expansion and improve profitability. I'm excited to enter FY24 with substantial new innovations.

and a more focused operating model to better address areas of priority spending within our customers. I look forward to updating you on our progress on next quarter's call.

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