Q1 2024 JOANN Inc. Earnings Call
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Good day and welcome to the JO-ANDS first quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing star then zero. After today's presentation, please return to your seats.
There will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touchstone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jason Wood, Vice President, Strategy and Corporate Responsibility. Please go ahead. Jason Wood, Vice President, Strategy and Corporate Responsibility
Thank you and good afternoon. I'd like to remind everyone that the comments made today may include forward-looking statements which are subject to significant risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations.
These statements speak as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events, new information, or future circumstances.
Please review the cautionary statements and risk factors contained in the company's earnings press release and the recent filings with the SEC. During the call today, management may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures can be found in the company's earnings press release. For more information, visit www.fema.gov
which was filed today with the SEC and posted to our investor relations section from Joanne's website at investors.joanne.com
On the call today from Joanne are the co-leaders of the interim office of the CEO , Chris D'Itoglio, Executive Vice President and Chief Customer Officer, and Scott Sekelt, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. During the question and answer portion of the call, we will also be joined by Rob Little, Executive Vice President and Chief Merchant for Joanne.
I will now turn the call over to Chris for his prepared time.
Thank you, Jason. Good afternoon and welcome to Joanne's first quarter fiscal 2024 earnings call. I want to start today by acknowledging the recent retirement of Wade Miquelon as Joanne's President and Chief Executive Officer. Wade spent seven years at Joanne serving as CFO before becoming President and Chief Executive Officer in 2019.
During his time as CEO , Wade helped Joanne navigate periods of growth and challenge, including our initial public offering and our response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
On behalf of Joanne, I would like to thank Wade for his leadership during his time here and wish him the best as he moves on to his next chapter.
Our Board of Directors has commenced a search to find a permanent replacement, and that effort is well underway.
While that search is ongoing, Scott Sakela, our Chief Financial Officer, and I have been appointed to lead the interim office of the Chief Executive Officer.
In our role leading this office, we remain focused on delivering value for our shareholders.
To do this, our focus in fiscal year 2024
is to deliver significant cash flow improvement and strengthen our top line by emphasizing the fundamentals that have made Joanne the nation's category leader in fabric and sewing and a strong competitor in the arts and crafts space.
This approach represents a back-to-basics mindset in which we are strengthening our focus on winning in our core sewing and crafting categories.
delivering a high quality in-store and online experience with emphasis on driving operational excellence and efficiency.
To support this approach, we are leaning in on delivering innovative assortments with strategic mix of owned, national, and partner brands.
A significant piece of this strategy is a continued investment in our own brands. By building our portfolio of own brands, we can customize our product assortment using a customer first lens.
improved margins through direct sourcing and value engineering, all while exercising greater control over product quality and supply chain efficiency.
Our investment over the past few years in owned brands such as Place in Time, Big Twist, Top Notch, and Pop is already delivering value.
Own brand sales, which represent nearly half of our total, outperformed the total company sales in the first quarter by nearly 500 basis points.
with gross margin impact between 400 to 600 basis points higher than the balance of our products.
Own brand penetration also increased 2% in the first quarter and we expect this trend to build in the back half of fiscal year 2024.
As we move forward, we believe our continued investment in owned brands, combined with strategic national brand partnerships, will enhance our innovative assortment of products and strengthen our position in both our core selling and craft categories.
As we look next at how we provide a differentiated in-store experience.
We are focused on developing creative approaches to driving store productivity.
This involves a holistic look at our stores to identify opportunities where a new or relocated location makes sense or where a store refresh can help improve brand and customer experience, including better utilizing space for our core selling and craft categories. That said, we recognize that physical space is only one part.
periods.
delivering training support, and simplifying the execution of our visual merchandising tactics.
so that our team members are ready and available to engage with our customers and drive sales.
Recognizing that the way people shop our assortments also continues to evolve. Our broader strategic priorities in fiscal 2024 also include working to make the Joanne brand ubiquitous through seamless and engaging digital touchpoints.
compelling omnichannel offerings.
We are committed to reducing friction across all customer touchpoints, which includes working to optimize customer fulfillment by leveraging our network of stores and distribution centers more efficiently to maximize our e-commerce flow rates and accelerate delivery time to customer.
Additionally, our customer continues to love our buy online and pick up in store or curbside options.
as we enable the Shop Your Way service model. Our customer is responding, and it's evidenced by increasing engagement and shopping through our mobile app, which has over 15 million downloads and provides a fully omnichannel experience.
Underlying the strategic focus is our continued effort to operate as effectively and efficiently as possible. This starts with our Focus, Simplify and Grow initiative.
Launched in the back half, fiscal year 2023, this initiative is a critical tool as we look to reduce costs and drive cash flow improvements.
When combined with other ongoing operational efficiency efforts, such as our continued emphasis on and utilization of a data-driven decision-making infrastructure, and our ongoing decision-making infrastructure.
Focus, Simplify and Grow is an important driver of our ability to build for the future by reinvesting in our core strengths and growth strategies.
Our focus simplifying GROW initiative targets, as a reminder, approximately $200 million in annualized cost savings in three general buckets.
including approximately $100 million in supply chain costs.
$60 million in our cost of goods sold and another $40 million in SG&A costs.
Initially, we had planned for the identification of these cost savings to be completed by early fiscal year 2025.
While Scott will speak to the specifics in greater detail, we have begun capturing significant supply chain cost savings through decreased domestic and international freight and through our vendor negotiations have clawed back some inflationary increases in our cost of goods with more to come.
Additionally, our investment in own brands continues to help reduce product costs as well.
Through this work and our ongoing efforts to reduce SG&A expenses,
We now have full line of sight to the 200 million total and are leaving no stone unturned as we look for further cost reductions.
As anticipated, these cost savings have supported significant improvement of $89 million in year-over-year free cash flow improvement in the first quarter of fiscal 2024 and will help move our adjusted EBITDA back towards historical levels in fiscal year 2025.
We believe that by delivering on these foundational strategic priorities,
creating a differentiated in-store experience, making the Joanne brand ubiquitous across customer channels, and continuing to drive operational efficiency and effectiveness.
Joanne will be well positioned to create value in the near term and reinvest in the things that will drive long term growth. Before getting into more detail about our first quarter performance, I do want to take a moment to recognize our team members.
I could not be prouder of the dedicated professionals who work across all aspects of our company.
The team members in our stores, distribution centers, Omni-Fulfillment Center, and across our corporate offices truly are our greatest asset.
As we move forward through fiscal year 2024, implementing our strategic priorities will require our more than 20,000 team members to display the passion, commitment, and flexibility they are known for, as we work to inspire creativity in our customers and ourselves and help everyone find their happy place.
with Joanne.
With this approach as a foundation, I will now provide some highlights from our first quarter fiscal year 2024 performance.
For the first quarter, we delivered net sales of $478.1 million, which declined to 4% compared to the same period last year.
Gross margin on a GAAP basis was 52.1%, an increase of 380 basis points compared to the first quarter of fiscal 2023.
Cop line sales started strong in the quarter in February and early March, however, like many other retailers, we saw a decrease as we moved into and through April . This deceleration coincided with a decline in consumer confidence driven by continuing inflationary pressures, rising interest rates, and the accompanying concerns over potential recession.
We will, obviously, continue to monitor consumer sentiment and the pressure it is putting on the discretionary portion of the economy and we will strategically adjust as necessary.
That said, we remain optimistic. We will be able to deliver on our full year outlook, which Scott will walk through in a few minutes, due to healthy customer engagement in our core selling and craft categories and our strategic focus on baseline cost reductions. Our merchandise category performance across the quarter was mixed.
On the positive side, our core selling and craft businesses performed well during the first quarter. We are seeing strength in our textiles related selling and craft businesses, along with the supplies that support those activities.
This is critically important as it illustrates the effectiveness of our strategic focus on winning in our core categories and demonstrates that our core customer is also re-engaged in the space.
It was also supported by the launch of Ditto in the first quarter. We are excited to announce that Ditto is our 50-50 joint venture with Singer Viking Frost.
This innovative product, which brings the pattern business into the digital age, is in its early stages of rollout at both Joanne and Singer Viking Gallery locations, and is gaining attention with sewing enthusiasts across the country.
On the merchandise headwind side, we do continue to see Kraft technology as our primary challenge to positive comparable sales.
While our data indicates we are outperforming the industry,
Sales pressure from Kraft Technology was significant in the quarter, accounting for a decline in comparable sales of 150 basis points.
We expect this headwind to continue as we move deeper into fiscal year 2024. Additionally, we have also made strategic pullbacks in higher risk seasonal categories and while currently a headwind to the top line, is supporting higher overall gross margin and company profitability.
We also continue to see strength in our ecommerce business.
In terms of performance in the first quarter, our year-over-year change in ecommerce sales outpaced store walk-in sales and the company overall.
declining at a more moderate rate of 1% compared to last year. Overall, e-commerce sales accounted for 11.8% of revenue in the first quarter, a 30 basis point increase in the penetration rate over the same period last year.
Much like the overall business, we saw positive sales growth in our core selling and craft categories across the quarter, while craft technology, a business that is highly penetrated online, was our primary headwind, accounting for a 390 basis point decline in comparable e-commerce sales.
With all of this in mind, we recognize there is work to be done.
While we can't control macroeconomic uncertainty, we will remain focused on driving value for our shareholders.
Through executing on the strategic priorities I've outlined today, including the execution of our Focus, Simplify, and Grow initiative, along with our first quarter performance,
gives us clear line of sight to not only delivering significant full year-over-year cash flow improvement, but also to hitting our fiscal year 2024 outlook.
With the great capabilities, commitment, and passion of our team members, I'm confident we can build on our first quarter results and position Joanne for long-term success moving forward. With that, I will turn it over to our CFO , Scott Zikela, to give a more detailed rundown of our first quarter financial results.
And a forward look at Fiscal 2024 before we wrap up with answering your questions.
Thank you, Chris. As Chris discussed in his remarks, our strategic priorities in fiscal year 2024 remain centered on winning in our core sewing and craft categories, providing a great customer experience in our stores and online, and continuing to find new ways to operate as efficiently as possible.
By emphasizing these fundamentals, which helped make Joanne the nation's category leader in sewing, we believe that over the course of Fiscal 2024, we will be able to meaningfully improve cash flow, strengthen our top line, and begin expanding adjusted EVA towards more historical levels. For more information, visit www.fema.gov
With that in mind, today I'll provide a deeper recap of our first quarter results and provide details about our full year outlook for fiscal 2024.
In the first quarter, net sales totaled $478.1 million, a decline of 4% compared to last year, with total comparable sales also decreasing by 4%.
Through the quarter, sales were strong in February and March, but decelerated in April .
While this coincided with declining consumer confidence, we remain optimistic about our fiscal 2024 sales outlook due to healthy customer engagement in our core selling and crafting businesses, our increased emphasis on our strategic priorities which Chris discussed, and the ability to optimize our promotional cadence to meet customer needs.
was driven largely by continuing improvement in import freight costs, which had a 500 basis point positive impact on our gross margin.
We recognized 3.9 million of excess import freight costs during the first quarter.
This figure reflects a $25 million decrease to the same period last year as we continue to benefit from the improving conditions in the spot market.
On a cash basis, in Q1 we realized 21.7 million of cash benefit from lower ocean freight rates. This was one of the drivers of our $89 million year-over-year free cash flow improvement in the quarter.
On a year-over-year basis, for the full fiscal year 2024, we anticipate excess import freight costs, which are treated as an add-back for non-GAAP measures, to be approximately $90 million less than last year and fully cycle out by the end of the second quarter.
Our gross margin on a gap basis was 52.1% in the first quarter, an increase of 380 basis points from the first quarter of last year.
This continued the trend of sequential improvement in our year-over-year gap basis gross margin comparisons.
As described a moment ago, we continue to benefit from cycling the extremely high ocean freight costs that we faced last year.
The year-over-year 380 basis point improvement was driven by
the 500 basis point increase from continuing improvement in ocean freight costs, and a 40 basis point increase from improved clearance activity.
These increases were partially offset by a 100 basis point decline in our merchandising margin, a 40 basis point decline due to the timing and cycling of capitalized domestic freight costs partially offset by improved carrier rates, and a 20 basis points of higher shrink.
primarily in our stores, which is sequentially improved from the previous quarter.
To provide additional color in our first quarter merchandising margin, the decline of 100 basis points compared to the same period last year can be attributed to the continued lapping of some of the inflationary cost increases we experienced during the prior year. Our average unit costs were up 5.1% compared to the prior year period. We do expect our average unit cost comparisons to sequentially impact the overall overall average unit cost.
Turning to expenses. Our first quarter fiscal 2024 SG&A expenses increased by 1.5% from the first quarter of last year. This increase was driven by incremental costs related to incentive and stock based compensation as well as inflationary pressures on labor.
particularly at our store locations and other costs. With that being said, we were pleased with our ability to manage SG&A expenses despite these pressures through actions such as the strategic management of labor hours in our stores and our continued optimization of advertising spend.
as we shift to more digital channels, as well as lower medical benefit costs. We continue to assess for opportunities to optimize our SG&A expenses as part of our Focus, Simplify, and Grow cost reduction initiative, and I will give more color on that shortly.
Our net loss in the first quarter was $54.2 million compared to a net loss of $35.1 million in the same period last year.
Adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter was 3.5 million compared to 18.6 million in the first quarter of last year.
Moving on to our balance sheet, our cash and cash equivalents were 19.7 million at the end of the first quarter. Our balance sheet was 19.7 million at the end of the first quarter.
As of April 29, 2023, we had $61.3 million of availability on our revolving credit facility, which is tied to a lower borrowing base due to our inventory optimization efforts, including cycling higher excess import freight costs and our actions to strategically lower inventory receipts.
Our face value of debt net of cash at the end of the fourth quarter was 1.033 billion. This reflects an increase of 109.4 million from the same period last year and a leverage ratio of 4.8x as measured by net debt and finance lease obligations.
relative to credit facility adjusted EBITDA on a trailing 12-month basis. Our inventory at the end of the first quarter was down 13% compared to the same period last year.
This decline was driven by a 32.3 million year-over-year reduction in capitalized excess import freight costs as well as our plan to strategically lower inventory receipts.
This approach allowed us to de-risk in the right areas, primarily our seasonal categories, so that we could lean in on receipts to support our emphasis on winning in our core selling and crafting businesses.
Fueled in part by this strategic inventory receipt reduction, we continue to maintain a low clearance inventory of less than 5% of total.
Our inventory position remains clean, leaving us well positioned to capitalize on the evolving consumer demand environment as we leverage test, read, and react capabilities. In conjunction with all this work, we remain laser focused on meaningful cash improvement and fiscal year 2024.
which, as Chris mentioned, targets $200 million of annual cost reductions in three broad categories across all areas of our business.
including approximately 100 million of supply chain costs, approximately 60 million of product costs, and another approximately 40 million of SG&A.
Since launching this effort late in fiscal year 2023, we have worked diligently to identify cost reductions in all three buckets.
We can safely say that we have identified the full targeted 200 million of annual cost reductions and we are now focusing on implementing and executing these initiatives.
This implementation includes taking proactive steps to solidify and as possible build on the significant positive impact of reduced ocean freight costs.
We are finalizing new agreements with our ocean freight vendors that include favorable contract rates, putting us in a strong position to continue to benefit from these savings and potentially over-deliver our $100 million supply chain cost target. Additionally, we continue to identify product cost savings.
Many of our RFPs are still in process, but we are confident about our ability to claw back the inflationary increases we saw last year.
In terms of SG&A, we are identifying ways to more efficiently deploy our resources to support value creation and drive top-line activity. This includes optimizing store labor through four-wall work simplifications, optimizing our labor mix, and reducing administrative hours.
as well as driving greater efficiency in our information technology spend. As we take this approach, we are staying grounded in our strategic priority of delivering a differentiated in-store experience by looking at identifying efficiency gains that not only lower costs, but make it easier for our in-store team members to use the same tools
to deliver the quality service our customers expect.
Well, we have already identified the targeted $200 million of annual cost reductions and are now implementing these initiatives.
As Chris said, we are leaving no stone unturned as we look for additional potential savings.
With these identified cost reductions, the significant first quarter year over year improvement free cash flow and the operational results we saw in the first quarter.
We believe we have a clear line of sight to delivering on our full fiscal year 2024 outlook.
In terms of our top-line performance, we anticipate that net sales relative to fiscal year 2023 will be down between 1 and 4%. This range is inclusive of a 53rd fiscal week in fiscal year 2024, which is worth approximately 2%. For more information, visit www.fema.gov
We believe the healthy customer engagement we are seeing in our core selling and craft categories will aid in providing a buffer to our top line in light of the challenging and uncertain macroeconomic environment our customers continue to face. As we previously mentioned, driving meaningful cash improvement is one of our key focuses for fiscal year 2024.
In the first quarter, we delivered a significant year-over-year improvement in free cash flow, and we anticipate additional improvement as we move through the full fiscal year.
We are projecting that over the full fiscal year 2024, we will see a year-over-year improvement in free cash flow between $150 million and $170 million.
The significant drivers of this forecasted improvement include the continued implementation of our Focus Simplifying Growth cost reduction initiative, as well as working capital and capital expenditure optimization actions.
For fiscal year 2024, we are projecting capital expenditures, net of landlord contributions between $40 and $45 million.
While the cash benefit of Focus, Simplify, and Grow initiative will be felt heavily in fiscal year 2024, the mostly annualized P&L benefit will not be realized until fiscal year 2025 due to the time it takes for inventory and related costs to cycle through our balance sheet.
With that being said, we do anticipate adjusted EBITDA between $85 million and $95 million.
Note that fiscal 2024 includes a headwind from reinstituting our incentive compensation program, which is partially offset by the benefit of the 53rd fiscal week.
In conclusion, we remain focused on delivering value for our shareholders.
As we move through fiscal year 2024, we are focused on delivering significant cash flow improvements and strengthening our top line by emphasizing the fundamentals that have made Joanne the nation's category leader in fabric and sewing with one of the largest assortments of arts and crafts products. While still facing an uncertain macroeconomic environment, we are also focused on developing
we are executing on a series of strategic priorities that will help us deliver that value. Based on the factors we have discussed today, including the significant year-over-year improvement in our free cash flow.
the continued implementation of our Focus, Simplify, and Grow cost reduction initiative, and our operational performance in the first quarter, we believe we have a clear line of sight to delivering on our full fiscal year 2024 outlook. With that, we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator?
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Yes, please. Okay, our next question comes from Sean Hainbuckle with Guggenheim. Please go ahead. Okay, thank you.
Good afternoon. This is Rene Marin on for Steve Forbes. I wanted to focus on the 2 million reactivated customers during 2022. Curious if you can discuss any incremental learning from this cohort year to date. What strategies are in place to keep this consumer engaged for the remainder of the year? You're not Vish Which it is, Loud into social media kits and
Hi, this is Chris. I can take that answer. We're seeing really good engagement across our known customer database, including those reactivated last year, but also those that have been year over year. Our known customer database is the strongest portion.
of the response we're seeing right now. Transactions, sales, and customer accounts are up across the board within our various known customer database segments. Great. And for my follow-up, I wanted to touch on the Ditto launch. Can you provide some additional color on the feedback you are getting from your dealer network and customers? We understand this is early in the stages, but perhaps you can...
Ditto in just over 300 of our Joanne stores including 180 Viking galleries that are lease owned within our stores by Singer. We have been very happy with the results so far on the customer engagement. We're seeing really great results with.
downloads of individual patterns as well as the subscription service. And we're averaging about 4.5 to 4.8 stars on our reviews of the Ditto across both sites. The dealer network is starting to pick up. We have about 100 dealers that have picked up Ditto as well. But again, this just launched in stores.
about a month and a half ago.
half ago. Great, thank you.
Our next question comes from Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Okay.
Our next question comes from Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. We'll call...
Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Appreciate you guys putting out some context for guidance. So I was going to ask a question around that. I guess just thinking about the rest of the year, it looks like the sort of implied same-store sales is kind of somewhat in line, maybe a little bit worse than Q1, but at least in our model, to get to the midpoint of the EBITDA guidance.
you really need to start seeing that EBITDA margin run kind of even year on year, even up year on year. So I was hoping you could just kind of shape that dynamic for us as the year progresses. And to help us understand the key drivers, the improvement, I think it's going to be freight in the merchandise margin, but want to make sure we're catching everything.
Yeah, hey Peter, Scott. Yeah, I think it's coming from a number of places. One, a little bit on the top line is where we saw sequential improvement in Q1 and we're confident that it's going to continue there, potentially be a little bit better as we go forward. But on top of that, we're going to continue to see a little bit more improvement in Q1.
To your point, freight's going to continue to be a tailwind. I do think merchandising margins are going to get a little bit better as the year goes. But then the real big piece that I'm excited about is on the SG&A side. As we touched on with the Focus Simplified Grow initiative, that's where in the back half we're really going to start to see some of the SG&A savings as we...
Okay, thank you. And then just looking at that dynamic of cost inflation versus, I guess it's the, I think you said a little over 2% in average unit retail, 2.7% to be specific. So your costs have been up about five, but you've only taken up the prices by about 2.7. And I guess your point is as the year progresses.
the cost will kind of smooth out and that will no longer be a headwind? Yeah, so keep in mind, you know, when the cost first started increasing with our vendor base, we took the price up. So you saw the average unit retail increase first last year. Now we're cycling through those increases. We sell the product now, the higher cost that we started.
At what point does your AUR in effect sort of smooth out from the inflationary pressures during the year?
I think you're going to continue to see it smooth out through the balance of the year. So there haven't been really any new AUR price increases. It's a little bit of just mixed movement so you'll start to see it smooth out through the balance of the year. Okay, very good. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Our next question comes from Laura Champy with Loop Capital. Please go ahead. This question is a free question.
Thanks for taking my question. If we look at the guide for comp to be down this year or sales to be down this year, are the factors more macro? Is it category related? Is it competition? At this stage, three years into the decline, what's driving that this year? Hey, Laura. It's Chris. We're really seeing.
that the craft tech component of our business is the primary headwind right now. We typically talk about that in the last quarter as well. And so that's gonna continue to be a headwind. It was 150 basis points in the first quarter. We believe it'll be upwards of 100 basis points for the balance of the year. So that's one factor. And then we are seeing great strength and improving strength in our core.
and our core selling and craft businesses.
Got it. So to summarize, it doesn't seem as if there's a deterioration in the macro. Is that fair to say given the sequential improvement that you called out?
Yeah, I would say that's right. Got it. Thank you.
Our next question comes from
Christina Fernandez with TLC Advisory Group.
Hernandez with TLC Advisory Group. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon. So I wanted to follow up on Laura's question. You mentioned that the core categories are strong, and it seems like they were positive. And then the negative 150 basis points from consumer tech, so there is still a gap. Is that just the seasonal being down? Or I guess what else?
Are you seeing, like what else is the bigger source of the headwind on the report-a-comp? Yes, the seasonal business, we strategically pulled back our purchases there. Because that is inventory that has the most risk historically to margin and sell through. So we did strategically pull back that is a current headwind.
But we believe it's one that won't be as significant later in this fiscal year. The good news is, is with those receipt reductions that we've made in seasonal, we now have the ability to play more offense in terms of those core selling and craft categories that are working well for us. That makes sense. And then the second question is on the...
the work that we've been doing on COGS with our Focus Simplify Grow initiative as well. So we are seeing the cost of those products coming down which will allow us to price some of that in as much of the assortment is focused on the good and better side of what we bring to market in those core categories.
The one other thing I would just add in is bear in mind that our average unit retail is roughly five dollars as well so we really do believe that we provide a very competitive option in the retail environment for customers regardless of the income tier or where they stand within the economy.
Christina, Scott, I would just add we've set up some processes here internally to really be able to read and react how the consumer is behaving and so that we can meet them, you know, where they're looking for at the right price point. So we're trying to stay very nimble in this environment to be able to read and react.
Thanks. And then our last question is, I appreciate the financial guidance for this year. Any comment on where you expect to end the year as far as your debt balance? And if the interest rate or the interest expense assumption of $100 million that you gave on the last call is still a good number for this year?...
Yeah, from an interest expense standpoint, that's right around where we are. We kind of still think interest rates are going to tick up and that takes that into account and then maybe start to hopefully come back a little later in the year. In terms of Net Dad not really giving any guidance, but I don't really see a meaningful change this year as we work.
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