Q3 2023 Insteel Industries Inc Earnings Call

Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the In Steel Industries third quarter 2023 earnings call. My name is Carla and I will be the operator of today's call.

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Speaker 2: Please go ahead when you're ready.

Speaker 3: Good morning, and thank you for your interest in NCEAl, and welcome to our third quarter 2023 conference call, which will be conducted by Scott Giuffrutti, our Vice President, CFO , and Treasurer, and me. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of the comments made in our presentation are considered to be forward-looking statements.

Speaker 3: that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These risk factors are described in our periodic filings with the SEC.

Speaker 3: The first three quarters of fiscal 2023 have been challenging for the company in view of inventory accumulations throughout the supply chain and a significant downward reset in steel prices that occurred following several quarters of extreme supply tightness and significant market price escalations.

Speaker 3: As stated in the release, we believe these headwinds have about run their course and we continue to be optimistic about the underlying level of demand for our products and the margin environment.

Speaker 3: I'm going to turn the call over to Scott to comment on our financial results for the quarter and the macro environment. And then I'll pick it back up to discuss our business outlook.

Speaker 4: Thank you, H. And good morning to everyone joining us on the call. As reported in a release earlier today, Innsbiel's net earnings for the third quarter of fiscal 2023 fell to $10.6 million, or $0.54 a share, from $38.6 million, or $1.96 per diluted share, a year ago.

Speaker 4: As has been the case through the first two quarters of the year, we were once again faced with the difficult challenge of comparing the current period results against the record financial performance of 2022.

Our results continue to be unfavorably impacted by the narrowing of spreads between selling prices and raw material costs, combined with higher unit conversion costs and lower shipments. However, we have seen some positive developments. As we progress through the third quarter, spreads improve and widen sequentially from the lows we experienced during the second quarter.

as we began to benefit from the consumption of lower cost inventory.

Additionally, we have benefited from the seasonal upturn and shifting volume that typically occurs during the third quarter as the weather-related headwinds subside. Nonetheless, we still fell short of our internal shipment forecast, and competitive pricing pressures and falling steel scrap values have continued to erode our average selling prices.

We reported net sales for the quarter of $165.7 million, reflecting a 27.1% decline from the prior year.

Shipments fell 3.2% year over year, but rose 11.3% sequentially from Q2. Despite the seasonal alternative construction activity during the quarter, we did not experience the expected boost in shipments following the cycle of customary stocking that had suppressed demand in the first half of the year.

Average selling prices fell 24.7% from a year ago.

Sequentially, ASPs declined for the fourth straight quarter, falling 6.4 percent from Q2. Competitive pricing pressures and the drop-off in steel scrap prices continue to negatively impact our ASPs, with the more severe drops for products most exposed to the residential construction markets. For more information, visit www.aclu.org

As conveyed during our second quarter call, price increases were implemented across most of our product lines in April , following four straight months of scrap price increases.

However, scrap values dropped in May and June by a combined $95, once again providing downward pressure on ASDs.

Gross profit for the quarter fell $37.7 million from a year ago and gross margin narrowed to 12.3% from 25.6% due to the combination of lower spreads, the reduction in shipments, and higher overall unit conversion costs resulting from lower production levels.

On a sequential basis, gross profit increased $7.1 million from the second quarter and gross margin expanded 400 basis points.

Gross profit for the core benefited from widening spreads as the reduction in raw material costs exceeded the decrease in average selling prices.

Gross margins improve each month within the quarter, rising to a high point in June .

As we head into our fourth fiscal quarter, we anticipate the positive trend to continue as lower-cost inventories consumed, assuming that average selling prices for our products remain flat or decline to a lesser extent.

Unit conversion costs for Q3 improved sequentially from the second quarter, but were higher than the prior year as a result of lower than expected operating volumes.

As we move into our fourth quarter, we expect to make further progress in reducing our conversion costs, assuming that operating volumes increase to anticipated levels.

SG&A expense for the quarter decreased $7.9 million or 4.8 percent in net sales from $8.2 million or 3.6 percent in net sales last year.

The dollar decrease primarily resulted from a relative year-over-year change in the cash surrender value of life insurance policies partially offset by higher compensation expense.

Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 22%, down slightly from 22.7% last year.

Looking ahead to the balance of the year, we expect our effective rate will remain steady at around 22%, subject to the level of pre-tax earnings, book tax differences, and the other assumptions and estimates that compose our tax provision calculation.

Moving to the cash flow statement and balance sheet, cash flow from operations for the quarter generated $23.8 million of cash due to a working capital reduction that was driven mainly by $6.7 million increase in accounts payable and accrued expenses and a $3.4 million reduction in inventories. For more information about other questions verbal born

Our inventory position at the end of the quarter represented 3.2 months of shipments on a forward-looking basis calculated off of forecasted Q4 shipments, compared with 3.1 months at the end of the second quarter. Additionally, our inventories at the end of the third quarter were valued at an average unit cost that was lower than our third quarter cost of sales.

which should favorably impact margins during the fourth quarter as the lower cost materials consumed and reflected in cost of sales, provided that AC is enough also to a greater extent.

We incurred $11.2 million in capital expenditures in the quarter for a total of $26.6 million through the first nine months of our fiscal year. Based on our forecasted expenditures for the fourth quarter, we have raised our full year target to $35 million from the previous communicated target of $30 million.

Abe will provide more detail on this topic in his remarks. From a liquidity perspective, we ended the quarter with $91.7 million of cash on hand and were debt-free with no borrowings outstanding on our $100 million revolving credit facility. Finally, during the third quarter, we continued our share of buyback program, repurchasing $403,000.

of our common equity equals approximately 14,000 shares.

Going forward, our capital deployment strategies will remain focused on three objectives. One, reinvesting in business for growth and to improve our costs and productivity. Two, maintaining the appropriate financial strength and flexibility. And three, returning capital to shareholders in a disciplined manner.

As we move into the fourth quarter, the outlook for our construction and markets remain mostly positive.

The most recent reports for the architectural building in Dodge Amendment Index's leading indicators for non-residential building construction reflect softening activity levels but relatively stable conditions that are expected to continue for the near term.

In June , the ABI remained relatively steady at a score of 50.1, which marked the first time since last fall that the score has stayed above the growth threshold of 50 for two consecutive months.

The Dodge Amendment Index, which tracks non-residential building projects going into planning, declined 2.5 percent in June down to 197.3 percent. However, year over year, the index is still 25 percent higher. The drop in the June reading resulted from a decline in the institutional component, which fell 10.5 percent, while the commercial component rose 3.1 percent.

However, in the June 4th, Dodge noted that continued growth in the commercial say that may be impacted in the second half of the year by the higher interest rate environment in tighter lending standards.

The monthly constructive spending data continues to remain strong with the latest May report showing total constructive spending on a seasonally adjusted annual basis of 2.4 percent from last year.

with non-residential construction up over 17% and public highway and street construction, one of the largest in-use applications for our products, up 14%.

Finally, the sweep to AIA released a semi-annual construction forecast for non-residential building construction for 2023 and 2024, reflecting continued strong growth for the current year. Spending on non-residential buildings projected to increase 19.7% for 2023.

driven by strong gains in the industrial sector. However, the forecast also indicates that spending growth is expected to cool in 2024, with only a 2% increase in overall spending projected.

This concludes my prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back over to H.

Thank you, Scott. As stated in the release, Q3 order entry rates and shipments did not recover with the momentum we had expected, although shipments and gross margins strengthened each month of the quarter. Weaker conditions than expected resulted in a continuation of higher operating costs at certain plants as backlogs were insufficient for efficient.

schedules and DOT lettings are disappointingly light.

If our observations about the level of business in other areas are correct, we should see an uptick in order entry rates during the remaining months of calendar 2023, although it's not possible to accurately predict when this may begin. For what it's worth, our shipping performance is not outlined with U.S. cement shipments which were...

fourth fiscal quarter. We expect the margin environment to continue to improve, except that we will be confronted with increasing volumes of low-priced imported PC strand during Q4 that were not present in the market earlier in the year.

Private non-residential construction markets by and large continue to show strength, although light commercial work, which is typically related to housing markets, slowed. We also saw deferrals of speculative commercial construction projects, while owner-occupied projects

unaffected by rising interest rates. We expect these trends to continue through the calendar year.

The recent recovery of the housing market is welcome and somewhat unexpected. We believe housing-related markets will continue to strengthen in the coming months, although customers are highly conservative in view of the volatility of this market through the most recent cycle. We expect minimal restocking of the supply chain now that lead times are normalized.

We continue to be optimistic about the impact on our markets of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and believe it will positively impact markets, although it's difficult to point to specific projects that have affected demand at this time.

We're aware that funds have been released at the federal level for projects that consume our reinforcing products, and we expect the trend to accelerate. We're also aware that permitting delays are affecting the deployment of IIJA funds.

The need for infrastructure investment in the U.S. has been obvious for decades, but funding has consistently been inadequate.

It now appears that funding shortfalls will decline in significance as obstacles to investment in view of the strong fiscal condition of state and local governments together with the new funding that's provided by the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

Turning to CapEx, we indicated in prior calls and press releases that our CapEx would step up in 2023, reflecting investments in three new production lines as well as recurring expenditures to maintain our facilities and our information systems.

Through Q3, CapEx totaled almost $27 million and we expect to invest approximately $35 million during the fiscal year. The investments we are making in state-of-the-art technology will expand our product capabilities and favorably impact our cash cost of production.

As we mentioned in earlier calls, new production lines will be installed at the Missouri, Kentucky, and Arizona plants to better address market needs.

The Missouri production line is being commissioned now. The Kentucky production line is being erected and should be commissioned before the end of September . It now appears that the Arizona line will be commissioned during the first quarter of fiscal two thousand point four.

We're evaluating additional projects that would have similar beneficial impacts on our market position and our cost profile. Going forward, we're aware of rising risk related to the future performance of the U.S. economy, and we're monitoring the environment. We believe that heightened conservatism among customers that are concerned about the macro environment is a major factor in the market.

and will now take your questions. Carla, would you please explain the procedure for asking questions?

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Our first question is from Taysin Birr from KC Capital.

from Casey Capital. Please go ahead.

Good morning gentlemen. Good morning. It sounds like at least throughout the quarter you were trending month over month improvements as you went through June into July . Is the expectation that that should continue at least through the calendar months?

this year and if so what magnitude where we should start to see some year-over-year increases in shipping and

what are you looking at as far as sequential increases also?

Well, you're correct that Daring Q3 each month was slightly better than the prior month, both from a shipping volume perspective and from a margin perspective.

It's hard to say what we expect for the rest of calendar 2023, although our Q4 forecast calls for increasing shipments. We do have some operational issues where we're going to have to address.

were up mid single digits compared to the prior year.

That's good.

Looking back at shipment volumes, especially for this quarter,

year over year, other than when we did the STM acquisition in March of 2020,

We haven't necessarily seen a great performance on shipping volumes.

really going back until 2018. And there's been unique circumstances, hurricanes, shortages, those things that have transpired.

given the amount of capital dollars that have been spent to improve operations capacity and otherwise.

Would you anticipate you would be further ahead of this point than what you've experienced?

Probably so, Tyson. Keep in mind that 2021 and 2022 shipments were constrained by many factors, including a steel shortage, including our inability to adequately staff our facilities.

Both of those problems seem to have ameliorated, although to some extent the labor situation is still extremely tight for us. And as I mentioned in my comments, we elected not to take cost reduction actions during Q3.

that would exacerbate the hiring problem that we're continuing to experience. So yeah, I mean there is some frustration internally that the shipments haven't improved to a greater degree.

extent, but there are also some meaningful constraints that we're up against. I think when you view Q3, relative to the information that we have on cement shipments, as I said in my comments, I don't think the shift in performance is out of line.

The last one for me, where do you see inventory volumes or inventories right now at the customer level, at the distributor level? You said lead times are normalized. Do you see it fairly balanced?

Have they gone the pendulum swing to being a little bit short? And given that conservatism going into the next seasonally slower winter months, would you anticipate them purposely being short in inventory going into the slower months?

I think that in the distributor market, which we estimate to be in the range of 15% of our volume, so not a major driver, I think the destocking is certainly complete, and I don't think there will be any restocking. Every horizon from producers such as Enfield are short.

And I think customers were sufficiently burned by higher prices and then falling prices so that they see no reason to take that risk. In the make-to-order segment of our business, I would say that we have customers who have extremely high levels.

of finished goods inventory. Most of that inventory is sold, but differing problems and differing constraints in differing regions have prevented them from shipping at the rates that they probably expected to ship. And we still have customers who have high levels of reinforcement.

Unfortunately, there's no good source of objective data for us to really get our arms around the extent of this problem, which would allow us to forecast when they work through these inventories. But I think clearly that's at play in our markets.

All right, thank you gentlemen. Thank you. Our next question comes from Giulio Romero from Sidoti & Co. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Hey, good morning, H and Scott. Good morning. Maybe thinking about your cap. projects that are expected to be fully commissioned this quarter. Just any sense into how we should think about the.

benefit or the accretion to earnings and kind of same question for the remaining project that's expected to come online in the first quarter of Fiscal 24.

Well, Julio, I think the big picture answer to that is we wouldn't have made any of these investments if we didn't think that they would return greater than our cost of capital. So I think you can think of it like that, but we also need a market to sell into.

and you don't get to pick your timing for starting these lines up. So, we'll start some of the lines up in an environment that is a little softer than we would like to see, but we're not making these investments for this quarter or next quarter. These are long-term investments, and over time we will realize returns on the investments that exceed our cost of capital.

Got it, now that's helpful. Maybe if you could speak to unique conversion costs and how those are trending sequentially. Okay, thank you.

Sequentially.

unit conversion costs went down from our Q2, but we were still operating at lower than anticipated production levels, so they were not where we had forecasted them to be. Okay, got it. Just one other thing affecting unit conversion costs.

just a general inflationary environment that we have experienced. Except for certain commodities that we purchase,

We're not seeing that any of these prices are coming down. So I'll tell you that the industry has experienced a reset in the cost profile of all of the various services and spare parts and you name it, electricity.

There's been a definite reset in cost levels, and I'm not exactly sure that we're through that yet. But, none of these costs are coming back down to where they were pre-inflationary days. Understood. Blockchain noises

When I think about the comments you guys made about the shipments in July being up mid-single digit, I believe you said, through this point in July , have you seen any weather impact given the flooding we've seen across much of the Atlantic seaboard? I don't think so yet. We might see it, but we've not seen that yet.

Okay, got it. And then maybe just last one staying on that topic. As I thought about that flooding, you know, it highlighted a need for greater infrastructure for drainage and sewer systems. Can you maybe talk to a bit of a refresher on, you know, some of your product lines such as the concrete pipe reinforcement and…

how that can be able to help improve the nation's drainage and sewer systems.

I think there's no question, but the need for water management is ubiquitous.

If, in fact, there are rising sea levels that result in coastal flooding, that will be a stimulant for demand for all kinds of ways to manage those waters. By and large, concrete products are used for that purpose. I think it's all.

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We have no further questions at this time so I will now hand back to the management team for final remarks.

Okay, thank you. We appreciate your interest in NSTiL. We welcome your calls and we look forward to talking to you as we wrap up our fourth quarter. Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. If you have missed any part of this call or would like to hear it again, a recording will be available shortly. Have a lovely day.