Q2 2023 Dime Community Bancshares Inc Earnings Call
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please refer to today's earnings release. I will now hand over to your host, Kevin O'Connor, CEO , to begin. Please go ahead.
Good morning. Thank you, caller, and thank you all for joining us this morning.
As usual with me are Stu LeBeau and I'll be ready.
I will first comment on Don's second quarter earnings and then touch upon the succession announcement we outlined on our press release.
I begin by saying DIME has done an admirable job weathering unique macro challenges posed by the failures of three regional banks.
along with an unprecedented movement in rates and an inverted yield curve.
In the second quarter, we grew our average deposits by 150 million.
and supported our customers by growing loans 6% on an annualized basis.
We grow our capital ratios and our balance sheet continues to remain solid, with non-performing loans declining by 12%.
As we have mentioned previously, we do not have any of the loan or deposit concentrations that got the failed banks and others in trouble.
These facts, coupled with our rock-solid, bulletproof multifamily portfolio, representing nearly 40% of loans, provides us with confidence we will outperform in any potential recessionary environment.
For the record, we have no multifamily loans greater than 60 days past due, and the LTV in this portfolio is in the mid 50% area.
As Stu will comment on in his prepared remarks, in the second quarter we successfully onboarded seven talented deposit focus groups, while at the same time managing our overall expense base prudently.
We had a strong quarter for fee income, marked by robust activity in our back-to-back loan swap program for commercial customers.
which also has the impact of adding floating rate loans to our balance sheet.
Finally, our NIM contracted less in the second quarter than the prior quarter and was in line with the consensus estimates.
Putting all these items together, we reported core EPS of approximately 68 cents per share.
In the second quarter, we increased our quarterly cash dividend to 25 cents. This increase is reflected in our strong current financial position and the culmination of our financial reserve results over the last few years.
These results reflect the power of our pure play, plain vanilla, community bank model, and the dominant market share we have on greater Long Island.
Part of our press release this morning, we announced the culmination of a thoughtful and well-planned CEO succession process the board and I began discussing in earnest earlier this year.
Taking a step back, it's been over three years since we announced our highly successful merger transaction.
We've delivered on all the goals established at the time of the merger and created the premier business bank on Greater Long Island.
The board and I are very proud of these accomplishments.
I've been CEO for over 16 years and take great pride in helping build along with our team of $13 billion local champions.
And with stability returning to the banking sector, with Don strong financial performance these past few months, and our tremendous success in hiring new groups of productive bankers, productive bankers.
The board and I both felt now was the right time to pass the torch to Stu.
I'm extremely proud of the franchise we built.
Our employees have worked tirelessly to create a real difference in our communities.
being the leading community bank for PPP on Long Island, receiving an outstanding CR rating last year.
Above all, we've been a beacon of strength and stability from the 2008 financial crisis through to the recent regional banking failures and resultant panic.
I plan to work with Stu and the board on ensuring a seamless transaction.
Given our collaborative approach in shaping Dines culture and strategy, I have no doubt he will continue our mission and culture of service to our staff and customers.
With that, I will turn the call over to Stu.
Thanks Kevin.
At the outset, I would like to thank Kevin for his leadership and support. As many of you know, we have a history dating back almost a decade when Community National Bank, a bank I founded, merged with Bridge.
I am looking forward to working with Kevin over the remainder of this year and will be leaning on him for his counsel and support in managing the bank.
Together, we have built a strong team of client-facing personnel and operators.
The Board, Kevin, and I are highly confident that we have a significant runway for organic growth, especially after the failure of two banks in our footprint.
From a strategic perspective, I would like to mention that I intend to keep Don's focus on providing exemplary relationship-based services that only a locally managed community bank can provide. It is, however, that the audience may experienceosterero that they do not know about or hey, do not
Managing expenses prudently and being a conservative underwriter of credit have always been hallmarks of time and we will not stray from these two core guidelines and principles.
My focus will be on providing our customers outstanding service, growing our franchise value, and delivering our shareholders strong returns.
I am very excited to work with and rely on every one of our outstanding employees to accomplish this goal.
Recently, we had the opportunity to capitalize on the disruption in the marketplace caused by the failure of Signature Bank and First Republic Bank by adding seven deposit focus groups.
Of note, none of our local community bank competitors, both bigger and smaller, have been able to add the level and depth of deposit focus talent that we were able to add.
Onboarding these hires provides validation of DYNAM's business model from a number of fronts, including our customer-centric relationship-based model, our best-in-class technology platform, and our commitment to providing a flat organizational structure.
Early results from these groups has been extremely positive, with over 600 customers onboarded, over 1,000 accounts opened in a very short period of time. We expect these groups to contribute meaningfully in deposit growth over the next several years.
We continue to be approached by groups of bankers looking to move the dime, and we are in active discussion with a number of groups. We do believe there will be more fallout from both group hiring perspective as well as the opportunity to bring over individual clients who seek locally managed relationship-based bank within all three banks.
with access to key decision makers, coupled with a strong technology stack.
On the technology front, we rolled out a number of new enhancements in the second quarter, including a brand new escrow management system and a consumer online account opening platform.
We are well on track to complete our new business-focused online account opening platform that takes our already strong digital capabilities to the next level.
with respect.
To our positioning on the lending side, our strategy is to ensure we continue to support our key clients through any operating environment.
We will continue to prudently grow loans and add franchise enhancing full service business relationships. Our current expectation is to grow loans by approximately $200 million in the second half of this year.
We are keeping a watch out on our loan deposit ratio and intend to match the balance sheet.
at a loan-to-deposit ratio of less than 105%.
Should rates decline in future years, 24 and beyond, we do accept prepayments in the multifamily portfolio to pick up, which will lead to a natural normalization of the loan-to-deposit ratio over time. A quick update on our loan pipeline as of July 15. It stood at $1 billion with a $100.9 million loan from a private companyturner price in 2017. It's including three off- Healing sometimes takes about five two months.
with an average rate of 7.5%. The mix of the pipeline is now heavily weighted toward business loans, which accounts for approximately 60% of the total. Of the billion dollars, about 70% is in floating rate loans.
Dimes credit losses have been well below bank index over multiple cycles and we are extremely proud of our track record.
We are cognizant of the fact there has been a lot of scrutiny on CRE concentration.
In this regard, I want to mention that Dines Investor's CRE concentration, excluding multifamily, which are really residential loans for five or more tenants, is only 265% of total capital.
Thus far, we have not seen any meaningful early warning indication of credit deterioration while we continue to be diligent and vigilant around monitoring our loan portfolio.
Overall, ossicology remains strong with MPAs in 90 days past due down 20 basis points.
As you would expect, we continue to closely monitor our office portfolio. At the current time, no past dues in that portfolio and only have four office loans totaling approximately $30 million that are rated substandard.
Notably, we do not have significant amount of repricing or maturity in our office loans for the remainder of 23 or 24. Repricing maturing office loans for the remainder of 23 are only $30 million and for 24 only $37 million.
As we have mentioned before, our Manhattan investor portfolio, our investor office portfolio, is only $200 million, less than 1.5% of total assets. The LTV on the Manhattan office portfolio is 50%, we are comfortable with our exposure, and the operators of our office portfolio are very strong individuals.
With that, I will turn it over to Avi to provide some detail on results of this quarter.
Thank you, Sue. Corey P.S. for the second quarter was 68 cents per share. Our results were driven by prudent non-interest expense management and another good quarter for non-interest income. Our asset quality continues to be stable. In fact, our NPA is a 90-day pass view declined only 20 basis points.
Our cumulative total deposit beta for cycle-to-date tightening has been approximately 38%.
Our performance on this front compares favorably to our metro New York competitors. Our relatively lower betas have been driven by the level of non-interest bearing deposits on our balance sheet.
At 29% of average deposits, a non-interest bearing deposit percentage remains a clear differentiator for DIME versus other community banks in our footprint.
The NIM was 250 for the second quarter compared to 274 for the prior quarter. We believe the pace of NIM compression will continue to slow and we see a number of green shoots on the horizon.
While we did see business non-interest bearing deposits decline by approximately $200 million collectively in March and April , primarily driven by our desire to retain customers in an uncertain environment where customer retention was paramount, we started to see a stabilization in business DDA in the month of May.
and actually grew business DDA in the months of June and July . In addition, we saw a significant increase in the number of checking accounts opened in the second quarter of 2023 compared to both the linked quarter and prior year.
As you know, we don't provide quarterly quantitative NIM guidance.
Given my comments above on the stabilization in business DDA and given that the loan pipeline weighted average rate of 750 is approximately 250 basis points above our existing portfolio rate, we see positive trends emerging for the NIM.
We expect the NIM to have an even smaller decline in the third quarter compared to the second quarter, with stability and growth in the quarters ahead after that.
We continue to position the balance sheet for a scenario where forward rates drop in 2024. For example, we have $1.25 billion of FHLB borrowings that all mature by June of 2024.
Similar to how many companies kept excess cash during the pandemic and benefited from rising rates, we are following a similar strategy on the liability side where we are intentionally not going long and intentionally not adding derivatives to the balance sheet at this point in the cycle when the majority of the Fed tightening is done per market consensus and we expect to benefit from a full repricing down if and when rates do get higher.
206 to 209 million dollars.
Even incorporating the impact of the recent private banking groups that we hired from Signature and First Republic, we are very focused on being at the lower end or beating the expense grade for the full year.
We have basically been able to absorb the cost of these seven groups into our organization, along with the additions of various corporate staff to support them by rationalizing expenses across the organization, using technology to automate manual processes, and promoting and filling open roles from our talented employee base.
Non-interest income for the second quarter was $11.2 million. We had a BOLI debt claim which added around $700,000 of income and it was offset by a loss on a CRA-related equity security of around $800,000.
We did have another strong quarter for swap fee income, approximately $2.5 million compared to our initial guide of $1 to $1.5 million.
Given that many swap deals for our customers close right before quarter end, we expect the revenue from this business to be lower in the third quarter and then pick up in the quarters ahead again as we rebuild the pipeline.
We had a $1 million loan loss provision this quarter. This was driven by growth in the portfolio and the change in the Moody's CRE index, and offset by continued improvement in the reserve on PCD loans.
During the quarter, our risk-based regulatory capital ratios increased by approximately 10 basis points. While we continue to see a tremendous amount of value in our shares, we bought back only a modest amount of shares in the quarter as we do believe that accreting capital is the right strategy until the overall environment stabilizes a bit more. I will point out that a number of our board members did repurchase shares in the second quarter. With that, I will turn the call back to Carla for questions.
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Our first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open, please go ahead.
Hey guys, good morning and Kevin congratulations on your retirement and your many tremendous accomplishments at the company.
Thank you.
Stu, quick question for you. You and I go back a long way and obviously you've had a very successful career running a number of community banking institutions and have gone in and fixed and cleaned up and grown and ultimately sold a number of those institutions.
in terms of becoming a preeminent community commercial bank within greater Long Island. So, you know, we're gonna stay the course. We think the opportunity to bring on additional teams and potentially additional lenders out of the disruption of the two recent failures and some of the significant amount of cost cutting that other banks are going through will provide us some opportunities as well. So, for now, you know, it's stay the course. But, you know, the fact is that, you know, I've always viewed myself as someone who is...
The month of July to date, they've actually funded around $75 million in the month of July already. We've mentioned when we did bring in the teams, at that peak they managed around $2 billion plus of deposits. So we view this as a significant, significant opportunity in the quarters and years ahead. Just in terms of the timing of when they started, there was not a lot.
costs or rate on those deposits is less than 1%.
Okay, and then I guess I know you'd mentioned you're talking to some other teams. How many groups do you think you could sort of handle and would sort of want to take on maybe over the next year or so?
So Mark, it's really about fitting our business mix. We've been very focused on adding groups in industries that dime already banks, for example, lawyers, real estate companies, things like that. So really the fit needs to be there. We have a corporate staff over here that's able to handle more volume at this point. We're growing our treasury management.
and there's really no limit in terms of what we can add on.
Okay, and then last question, Avi, is, and I apologize if I missed this, if you could help us think about the trajectory of expenses. I know you've certainly done a good job of offsetting the incremental costs from the teams, but how are you thinking about things going forward?
Yep, so I mean really the way we look at the company market is really OpEx to assets, right? So the first quarter we were around 140 plus or minus OpEx to assets. We're around 150 right now. I mean we need to operate the company at that level, right? So this quarter is a bit of a tick up because in the month of April obviously going to have the annual merit increases going to impact.
we had some of the group hires come in over there. But I would say managing that around the 150 level is kind of what we're focused on, and really figuring out a way and looking across the organization, which we do continuously. We've never really had a cost savings plan out there because it's just built into our DNA in terms of how we manage the expense base.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks Mark. Our next question comes from Steve Moss from Raymond James. Your line is now open, please go ahead.
Good morning.
Kevin, congratulations on your retirement and Stu, congratulations on your promotion here.
My first question, just following up on the margin here, in terms of maybe just thinking about funding costs and the trajectory there, you did see a slowdown in the pace of intersparing to positive costs. And obviously I do hear you in terms of federal home banks.
advanced maturing over the next 12 months. Just kind of curious, you know, just how you're thinking about where your interest in deposit costs could peak out.
Yeah, I think so our cycle to date beta, Steve, on a cumulative basis around 38%. You know, I think our current models probably say mid-40s is kind of where we peak out at this point in time. We're obviously going to have a little bit more pressure here in Q3.
But the tail end that we have obviously is these new deposits as Stu said. You add $75 million of deposits at a 1% cost, a marginal cost of deposits coming in is a lot lower than a lot of our peers. So I would say at this point, mid 40s is kind of what we're thinking in terms of deposit betas.
Okay, that's helpful. And then in terms of just on the asset side with securities, if you can remind us what the average life or duration of the portfolio.
Sure. So it's around three years, the effective duration on the securities portfolio on the AFS side.
Okay, and then in terms of the
In terms of loan pricing, I hear you guys in terms of mid-sevenths. Just curious here, as the mix has definitely improved and you're looking at the marginal cost of funds, do you think we head towards an eight handle or is the competitive environment different?
closer to the sevens range? Yeah, it's a mix Steve, right? So on the CNI side, we're in the eights at this point in time. You know, if you do a swap at, you know, SOFR plus 250, we're already getting over 8% at this point in time. So yeah, I mean it's I mean right now it's around 750 as Stu said it's a mix, but...
Obviously with the recent Fed hike, it's going to go up a little bit more. Again, we're really pricing our products to really grow business loans, and we're not really seeing any slowdown in that. We're obviously a little bit above the market on the multifamily side and being selective on the investor-free side. Yeah, so just a little more.
owner-occupied CRE makes up the remainder, you know, about 250 million. And then we only have about $50 million in the pipeline on the MoPEP family side, which is basically existing customers refinancing and or swaps that are, we're working with.
with customers. So on the Mocha family side, we, you know, we're really not competitive in terms of the traditional fixed rate product, but we are still doing swaps in that business for selected customers.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Great. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Steve.
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Manuel Navas from DA Davidson. Your line is now open, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning.
Good morning.
As we think about the margin, can you add to comments of when it could possibly trough? I know there's a lot of moving pieces there, but could that be first quarter next year? What's the initial thoughts there?
In my prepared remarks, I did mention that we do expect a little bit of pressure in Q3, but that's going to be less than what we saw in Q2 and then after that stability and growth. So we don't want to get into the exact quarters over there, but I would say I am going to stop there for a minute, please just point to the screen. In a min we decide that we are going to increase the density Shortness of response by roughly
very positive in terms of two items, which is our business DDA is growing again right now. We're seeing a lot of traction from these new groups that we've hired, and the 250 basis points differential between loans that the new are coming on versus a pipeline rating will give us a lot.
And you have had very little CD growth. Is that kind of all tied together in the comments about staying short term funded?
No, I think it's in the context of we feel pretty confident about deposit growth. So as Stu said, we probably expect around $200 million off loan growth in the second half of this year, but we do expect deposits to pick up and they have picked up. So we're actually up around $2.5 million.
$75 to $100 million for the month of July at this point in time. And as the new groups bring on deposits, we feel pretty comfortable there. We've not really migrated our base to as much CDs as a lot of our competitors have at this point. We're retaining existing CDs out there.
But really, our focus is on growing business DDA, business money markets, and that's the kind of bank we want to be.
Okay. What type of run?
activity, like just kind of lending demand are you seeing in the marketplace, you know, you're making some adjustments to pricing to bring in the type of lending you want. If you had more.
or easier funding, could you bring in a lot more? What's the demand out in the marketplace right now?
I mean demand is certainly moderated over the last six months. Certainly with the current rate environment it becomes fairly expensive and it really takes away the opportunity to do cash outs on commercial real estate.
debt service coverage ratios get a little tighter. So, you know, I think demand is certainly down. We are seeing opportunity on the C&I side, and, you know, those rates are fairly attractive to us. And that's really generated by a lot of our, you know, new hires in terms of our middle market.
lenders and CNI lenders that we brought in over the last year and they've been able to cultivate relationships that they've had and are beginning to bring them over to us as well.
But certainly, you know, the rate environment has certainly moderated demand in terms of, you know, commercial real estate, small business lending, SBA lending, etc.
All right, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
have no further questions registered at this time so with that I will hand back to Kevin O'Connor for final remarks.
Thank you. I'd just like to conclude by taking a moment to thank our shareholders and the board who supported me this past 17 years.
I look forward to this board member and to Cheryl to continue watching the success of time under this new leadership team.
If you indulge me, I also can't thank enough the current dime team.
and our legacy team of B&B bankers, both current and former, for their support.
and dedication to the mission of CUNY banking.
You helped to create from this humble beginnings in 1910 on the East End of Long Island to the powerhouse it is today, all while staying true to our core mission and values.
I want to thank you again for the opportunity to be part of this story, and thank you again for participating this morning.
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