Q2 2023 Marriott International Inc Earnings Call

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Good day everyone and welcome to today's Marriott International Q2 2023 earnings call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question and answer period. You may register to ask a question at any time pressing star 1 on your touchtone phone.

Please note this call may be recorded. I will be standing by should you need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn today's call over to Jackie McConaughey, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you. Hello and welcome to Marriott second quarter 2023 earnings call.

On the call with me today are Tony Capilano, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Lieny Oberg, our Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Development, and Betsy Dom, our Vice President of Investor Relations.

Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties as described in our FCC filings, which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments.

Statements in our comments in the press release we issued earlier today.

Our effect is only today and will not be updated as actual event sunsfold. You can find our earning release and reconciliation of all non- GAAP financial measures referred to in our remarks today on our investor relations website. Now I will turn the call over to Tony. Thank you.

Thanks Jackie and thank you all for joining us today. Our terrific second quarter results demonstrate the strength of global water demand.

Thank you all for joining us today. Our terrific second quarter results demonstrate the strength of global monitoring demand and the success of our growth strategies.

I've experienced the robust demand for lodging firsthand as I've been on the road a lot this year and have had the privilege of visiting every one of our region.

is been wonderful to spend time with our team of hardworking and dedicated associates at properties around the world and to see how quickly global travel has rebounded.

Second quarter worldwide RIFR rose 13.5%.

versus the 2022 quarter, led by another quarter of meaningful recovery in greater China. Less than two quarters after travel restrictions were lifted, Revpar in greater China has now surpassed 2019 levels, primarily due to the surge in domestic demand. Worldwide occupancy in the quarter has increased from the previous quarter to the next quarter.

reached 72%, five percentage points higher than the year ago quarter.

with our unwavering focus on maximizing revenues.

Global ADR grew 6% year over year. Global leisure demand and ADR remain robust.

Second quarter, leisure transient roommates and ADR each increased 5% year-over-year, yielding 10% revenue growth. In the US and Canada, leisure revenues rose 1% above last year's sensational second quarter.

Demands in this market have been stabilizing on a year-over-year basis, with travelers from the region increasingly taking vacations overseas.

now that pandemic-related travel restrictions are behind us.

Leisure room nights from the US and Canadian travelers jumped 90% in Asia-Pacific and over 20% in Europe compared to the same period last year.

Group revenues are expected to remain strong going forward. At the end of June , group revenue for the back half of 2023 was pacing up 11% to last year. Meeting planners are beginning to book further out, a trend we're also seeing with transient customers. Group revenue for full year 2024 was pacing up 14% year over year at the end of the quarter, an improvement from up 9% just three months prior. Recovery and business transient demand.

remain slow but steady with demand from our top corporate account accounts progressing modestly in the quarter. In the US and Canada, ADR again rose nicely compared to 2022. Thanks to high single-gigets special corporate rate increases.

This led to business transient revenues rising 12% year over year. Overall cross-border travel demand also rose again in the quarter, primarily driven by an increase in international visitors to the Asia-Pacific region.

The percent of total room nights from cross-border guests is now roughly 1% below 2019 levels of approximately 20%.

Prior to the pandemic, international visitors accounted for nearly one quarter of room nights in Greater China.

With the region's international airlift still only around 40% of 2019 capacity at the end of the second quarter.

We believe there is still meaningful growth opportunity in and from Greater China.

We remain keenly focused on strengthening our powerful Marriott Bonvoy loyalty program.

We remain keenly focused on strengthening our powerful Marriott Bonvoy loyalty program, which has over 186 million members.

Our international credit cards had a record quarter, driving global card acquisitions up 25% and global card spend up 10% versus the year-ago quarter. We are increasingly leveraging technology to enhance the guest experience, to drive profitability for our owners, and to simplify processes for our associates. As we've mentioned previously, we are in the process of a major global transformation of our digital and core technology.

We will be launching new reservations, loyalty and property management platforms over the next several years, and look forward to the numerous capabilities these new systems will offer our key constituents.

As we focus on paths for growth, we are adding new offerings and experiences in segments where we believe there is strong consumer interest beyond our current brands. A great example is our recent announcement of an exclusive 20-year Strategic License Agreement with MGM Resorts International.

and the creation of MGM Collection with Marriott Bonvoy.

The collection, which will launch beginning in October , encompasses 17 resorts with 40,000 rooms. This deal will provide us with significant presence in Las Vegas, one of the most popular destinations in the country.

with fantastic properties like Bellagio, MGM Brands, and Aria.

well as additional distribution in five other key US cities.

Beyond just hotels, our strategic agreement with MGM

We'll also give our members access to more sports, music, culinary and entertainment experiences.

We also recently announced our plans, new affordable mid-scale extended stay offering in the US and Canada.

Our deep experience in leading position in extended stay lodging coupled with the recent trends toward increased work flexibility and longer stay travel make us very optimistic about our growth potential.

Our deep experience and leading position in extended-stay lodging, coupled with the recent trends toward increased work flexibility and longer-stay travel, make us very optimistic about our growth potential. It is still early days.

Initial interest from the development community has been extraordinary. We are working on several hundred deals and hope to have our first deal signed by the end of this year.

In the Caribbean and Latin America, we're very excited about the recent addition of City Express to our brand lineup.

These midscale properties have started to join our distribution channels, and we are thrilled with the noticeable uplift.

conversion rates, ADR, and bookings so far. Our development team remains focused on driving conversions, especially multi-unit opportunities.

and interest from owners remains robust.

In the first half of this year, convergence accounted for 21% of our Organic Rooms additions.

Including MGM, conversions represented 63% of our organic signings through June .

The MGM rooms entering our system beginning this fall will boost our rooms distribution in 2023 by 2.4%.

With more than half the year behind us, we have refined our full year net wounds growth expectations to 6.4 to 6.7 percent.

Driving valuable global growth is a top company priority.

And we are very pleased with the strong rate at which we expect our industry-leading system to grow this year. We look forward to sharing more about many key aspects of our business.

including our broad global portfolio of over 30 brands. They're exciting growth prospects all over the world.

Marriott Bonvoy, the brand that brings it all together.

our technology transformation,

and our multi-year financial model, at our investor day on September 27th.

Now, I'll hand the call over to Lieny to discuss our second quarter financial results in more detail, as well as our updated outlook for 2023. Lieny?

Thank you, Tony.

Our strong second quarter results reflected solid demand in ADR growth around the world. With greater China respar more than doubling, international respar rose an impressive 39% over the 2022 second quarter. Occupancies for our international regions reached...

68%, a 12 percentage point improvement versus the prior year quarter, and ADR increased 14%.

Revpar in the US and Canada grew 6% versus the year-ago quarter.

Occupancy reached 74% up one percentage point, while ADR increased 4%.

While demand from both business and leisure depths remains strong, growth rates are stabilizing as we return to more normalized year-over-year comparisons.

Total company gross fee revenues totaled $1.25 billion, rising 16%, led by meaningful growth in incentive management fees, or IMS.

IMS totaled 193 million in the quarter, with fees in greater China up significantly given the strong recovery in that region.

Impressively, our IMF in the first half of 2023 were 19% higher than peak IMF in the first half of 2018.

Our owned lease and other revenue net of direct expenses grew 24%, despite lower termination fees, largely due to improved performance at our owned and leased hotels.

Our strong IMS and owned lease performance demonstrate our operating team's terrific work at driving profitability.

Corporate G&A rose just 4%, well above the rate of top-line growth. With the strong operating leverage inherent in our business, adjusted EBITDA reached a record $1.2 billion, up an impressive 20% year-over-year.

On the development front, we're closely monitoring the financing environment, which remains tight around the world.

While the US and Europe are facing the most lending challenges, even in these markets, financing has not come to a standstill. Over the past few months, many owners in these regions have been able to secure financing and begin construction. In most of our other regions, there is much less dependence on debt financing for new deals.

So hotel construction generally continues apace.

Properties in our industry leading 547,000 room pipeline that are already under construction continue to move forward. And we've not seen the number of deals leaving the pipeline increase. The fall out in the quarter was 1.3 percent.

below our historic quarterly average of just over 2%. Now, let's talk about our 2023 outlook, the full details of which are in our earnings release.

With the better than expected second quarter results and robust global booking trends, especially internationally, we're raising our full year guidance.

While there is still a level of macroeconomic uncertainty, as we look into the third quarter, the consumer is generally holding up well and our forward bookings remain solid.

In the US, it now seems more likely that the US economy could have a soft landing.

Our updated guidance range assumes relatively steady global economic conditions throughout the remainder of 2023, with continued resilience of travel demand.

Growth is expected to remain higher internationally than in the US and Canada, where we're seeing a return to more normal seasonal patterns and year-over-year respar growth is stabilizing.

For the full year, we now expect 7 to 9% REVPAR growth in the U.S. and Canada. We're raising our expectation for international REVPAR growth to 28 to 30%, leading to an expected 12 to 14% increase in global REVPAR.

Total fees for the full year could rise between 16 and 18 percent, with the non-Revpar-related component increasing 4 to 7 percent.

Non-REV-PAR related fees are expected to benefit from higher credit card fees than credit card fees.

resulting from growth in the average spend and in the number of cardholders.

We still expect 2023 G&A expenses of $915 million to $935 million, an annual increase of 3-5%, but still below 2019 level.

Compared to 2022, full-year adjusted EBITDA could increase between 18 and 21 percent, and adjusted EPS could rise 25 to 29 percent.

Our powerful Asset Light business model continues to generate a large amount of cash.

We will also have elevated technology spending this year and over the next few years, though this investment is overwhelmingly expected to be reimbursed over time.

Our capital allocation philosophy has not changed.

We are committed to our investment grade rating, investing in growth that is accretive to shareholder value, while returning excess capital to shareholders through a combination of a modest cash dividend and share repurchases.

Thank you for your interest in Marriott, and Tony and I are now happy to answer your questions.

And at this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your touch phone. You may withdraw your question at any time by pressing star 2. Again, that is star and 1. We will take our first question from Steven Grambling with Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead. This is not a request of theup

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe to start off, just on the non-REPP-PAR related fees, you gave some color on that in the quarter, but I guess what are your expectations for the remainder of the year and can you just remind us on how those contracts were structured in terms of length of term and is there an opportunity to renegotiate those coming up?

Yeah, no, we've got several years left on them, Stephen, and are really pleased with the continued growth in the credit cards, fees, and frankly, really particularly pleased with adding so many new countries.

So I think when you look at credit card fees for the year, I think broadly speaking, a double digit growth rate is right. Now for total non-revpar fees, we've talked about a 4 to 7% growth in non-revpar fees because of the lumpiness of things like residential fees.

And the reality is you remember our timeshare fees are overwhelmingly a flat payment that go up only slightly. So overall I think we're looking at four to seven, but again on the credit card side we continue to see really strong growth. Great and then as a follow-up that's unrelated, just on the technology. But really!!!

these types of new technologies? Sure, Stephen, I'll try and take that one. I think obviously AI is already incorporated into how we think about running our business. It has been for a while. We continue to look for opportunities to leverage evolving technologies like AI.

to remove friction for our guests, to create capacity for our associates. But we do it in a way that is mindful, mindful of how rapidly the technology is evolving and mindful of some of the real important considerations around facets of evolving technology like privacy.

Great. Thanks so much. Steven, the only thing I'll add to that is the reality that at the end of the day, we do believe that it is the person-to-person and the experiential part of the reality.

our business that makes it so unique. So being able to use generational AI in a way that enhances that service, we see as a real benefit, but never to take away from the fundamental people to people that are part of our business.

Right, before, during, and after the stay.

Thank you.

We'll take our next question from Sean Kelly with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning everyone. Good morning, Tony and Lainey.

So we continue to get a lot of questions from investors on the net unit growth side of the equation and appreciate all the color that you gave. So maybe we could just dig in a little further. It looks like at the very high end of the range of what you provided previously, you trimmed that very modestly, excluding sort of the deal with MGM.

So could you talk about just that change and more broadly what you're seeing in the environment? And then I think the second part of the follow-up would be, as we look a little further out, and I don't want to steal too much thunder from the analyst day, but what are the preconditions necessary to think that maybe this year could actually be close to the trough? What would have to go right?

Sure, Sean, let me start and then I'm sure Lini will chime in. On your first question, you're right. There is a very modest kind of a 20-bip adjustment at the high end to the guidance. We are delighted with the impact of this terrific MGM deal to so meaningfully increased.

of kind of normal ins and outs. On the plus side, we've seen a little lower deletions to the system than we had visibility into a quarter ago. And then we've seen a handful of projects that we still are confident will open, but we've seen the timing of a handful of those openings.

slip into early 2024. And it's those ins and outs that led to that modest tweak to the high end of the guidance. On your second question,

You know, I would suggest to you that last year was probably the bottom of the trough. The numbers we've seen, particularly on the conversion front, are leading strong growth towards that mid single digit unit growth that you've become accustomed to in your time covering Marriott.

I think in terms of continued improvement, you'll hear a little more of this from Lene. I think the biggest thing we're hoping for now is continued relief from the constriction we see in the debt markets in the US and Europe for new construction.

We're seeing powerful interest on the conversion side. We're seeing no shortage of developer interest or availability of equity. I think the one impediment we're seeing is it's not an absolute absence of debt, but we're not seeing the free-flowing debt we saw.

a few quarters ago. So, Sean, the only other thing that I would add is the reality that you've heard us talk more and more about multi-unit conversions, which does make things a little bit lumpier.

on the room's growth. If you remember when we added a big slug of all-inclusive rooms a couple years ago, when you look at the MGM deal that we recently announced, I take your point that M&A would be looked at separately. But I do think on the conversion side,

You should continue to see us chasing these lovely multi-unit conversion opportunities that can bounce the numbers around a little bit, but definitely give us confidence in our mid single-digit net rooms growth number as we look forward.

Great, thank you very much and congrats on the MGM deal.

Great. Thanks, Sean.

And we will take our next question from Jeff, I'm sorry from Joe Griff with

Good morning everybody. Hey Joe. I have two questions.

One, what's embedded in your full year fee guidance for incentive management fees? It looked like in the 2Q IMF per managed room was up a nice 13% over 2019. How does what you have incorporated in full year guidance for IMF, how does that compare on a per room per managed room basis to 19?

both domestically and internationally. So Joe, we can work through the per room. Obviously we've got the reality that the system overall is about 11% bigger than it was in 2019. So those comparisons start to be...

a little bit less meaningful. But to your point about where IMF should be for the full year, I think what you've seen in what we reported today clearly points to the reality that we hope, assuming things continue the way our guidance...

predicts is a number of IMS that exceeds our 2019 peak by a good amount.

The amount of percentage of hotels earning incentive fees so far is 62% in Q2 versus 72% in 2019. So we're clearly getting much closer in Asia Pacific. It's in the mid-80s.

in both years. So I think it, as you know, we've got a different structure of IMS in Asia Pacific. And as our growth has been outsized in that region, they have a very positive quality of behaving much more like they see. So I think you should continue to see strong growth there.

in Q2, we were looking at about 41% coming from the US and Canada, and 30% coming from Asia Pacific. So we're getting much closer to our 2019 proportion of intensive fees. And again,

As we talked about before, when we look for the rest of the year, we do see the reality that we expect IMS to be higher than our peak.

Great, thank you. My follow-up relates to the MGM deal that you recently announced. Can you talk about, broadly, the economics and how it works for you? I know it kind of works in a couple of ways. You put an MGM's portfolio and then what you get kind of...

The direct channel is such where you're putting in 5 to 10% of MGM's occupied room nights per year. How much of that indirect annual fees could something like that generate? Can you give us some sort of way of thinking about the fee magnitude? I know it's probably different than the average franchise and license.

per room. Helping us understand the economics there would be helpful. Thanks.

Yes, so it may not surprise you, Joe, we're not going to go into granular detail on the economics of the specific deal. What I can tell you is that the structure of the transaction is akin to much more akin to a traditional franchise deal.

We are getting paid on room revenue across their U.S. portfolio of 17 resorts. It's not just some sort of loyalty lockup. It's structured to look a lot more like a franchise agreement.

The reason we talk about it as a strategic licensing agreement, it's more broad than what we had with the cosmopolitan, which was in fact a straight franchise agreement. Here we've got a much broader ability with the creation.

of the MGM collection portfolio to make this a much bigger play for our 186 million Bonvoy members. In terms of the ability to give them access to the wealth of content that MGM makes available to link the 186 million Bonvoy members.

the 40 million MGM rewards members and as a corollary to be a loyalty partner with that MGM. So we've called it a strategic licensing agreement because of some of those complexities but in terms of the way we've structured the financial arrangements.

you should think about it more through the lens of a more traditional franchise agreement structure.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

I'll take our next question from Richard Clark with Berenstein. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question. I just got a question on the remaining occupancy slice you've got to get back. Your occupancy today is still sitting about 4% lower than it was in 2019. How much confidence you can get the rest of that back, and is there any need to cut prices to get that back in? Is there any pricey elasticity?

So, way ahead.

No, you go Tony. No, no, I was just gonna say yeah, you're you're right Richard. We're still down about three points on a global basis. You know, but we see some real opportunities for growth as I mentioned in my prepared remarks.

We continue to see steady recovery on the business transient side, which gives us some optimism. And we continue to see continued recovery on cross-border travel, which gives us another layer of optimism. And then I would say third.

As I mentioned, in Greater China, which is our second largest market, you've still only got about a 40% recovery of cross-border airline capacity. And so in terms of inbound and outbound international travel related to China, we think there's some real opportunity for occupancy recovery.

But we continue to see in the data real legs to this phenomenon of blended trip purpose, and we think that's going to continue to drive occupancy, particularly in the days of the week that historically we considered shoulder days.

Thanks. Maybe just as a follow up to that, your kind of composite US and Canada luxury rev part down year on year in the...

I mean, how much are you putting that down to the international travel moving overseas from the US, or is there some overall price moderation that's going on within luxury properties there?

So I'll start Tony and feel free to jump in. So a couple of things. Certainly we do attribute it to the reality that a year ago in Q2, there were meaningfully fewer choices for travel. That there really were consistent.

restrictions for going overseas, left airlift, etc. And there's clear that when you look at the travel patterns this year that there is a big exodus of Americans going over to Europe and other places in the world. So that certainly had an impact.

The other thing I will say is that on luxury in the US, we actually saw strengthening in the metropolitan areas, and they in general have a little bit lower revpar than some of the resorts. So some of this is a bit of a mix shift. And as you saw, the rate...

hardly moved in U.S. and Canada in Q2 and that was off of a Year last year in Q2 where luxury rates were extraordinary. So just as a reminder luxury rates have in U.S. and Canada have actually outpaced inflation when you compare to 19 and that still is the case

while the other segment are coming more and more in line with inflation adjusted rate as they continued to gain as you saw ADR up 4% in the second quarter.

And as we also said in our prepared remarks, there is normalization going on.

There's definitely a more seasonal pattern to travel and a frankly a nice sturdy mix of leisure, business, transient and group that supports pricing going forward for the industry we think. It should be P

Thank you. We'll take our next question from you, and that's for Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to just focus on the capital returns for a bit, which had a significant bump. Again, my sense is that this is something you'll discuss in an analyst meeting.

But can you help us just look out a little bit and assume that the business momentum continues and maybe just help us calibrate how you think about the growth in that capital return if we can make our own assumptions about where the business would go.

Sure, and thanks for the question. You're right. The adjusted EBITDA and strong cash flow

which is that we first want to invest in our business to grow. And we want to do that in a way that provides returns that are attractive for our shareholders and do it in ways that kind of meet our strategic objectives. So that is always first on the list and then a consideration of how we see the business moving forward.

We do have a more diversified earning stream than we had before. We've got a more global earning stream than we've had before. We've got strong operating leverage in the business. And so I would expect to continue to see this investing in the growth of our business, including our technology transformation. But then with the remaining cash, I think we have shou weekend for cash that makes a difference.

excess cash, being able to return it to our shareholders in this mix of a modest dividend and share with purchase.

sort of a, you know, Fortune 100 that's been slower to come back versus the SME that was much much faster. An update there would be really helpful if there's some movement at the top as well. Sure, so your characterization is accurate. The SMEs which represent about 60% of our business transient segment, they were first fully recovered a quarter ago and their demand continues to be quite robust. The large corporate room nights continue to be recovering a bit more slowly. In Q1, you know, we saw kind of slow and steady...

meet a great deal as they hire new staff, as they immerse them in their culture, and do training meetings. And we think that's one of the drivers of the strengths we're seeing in the group segment. Their international travel has been probably the slowest component of their travel to recover.

And so, you know, it's a segment that we're monitoring closely, but it is certainly recovering more slowly than the SMEs. The only thing I'll add, David, is that on the special corporate rate, I think it is worth noting that you've heard us talk before that we got nearly double-digit increases in negotiated rate this year. …

And as we look out to next year, we do, you know, we're starting to have those conversations, and we are looking for an additional meaningful increase next year as well. And while you're right that some classic big foreign tech firms are still down in nights meaningfully compared to 2019.

think that it will kind of get back to

you know, levels that we saw in 2019 on the special corporate side eventually. And again, overall business transit is doing well from the revenue perspective.

Yeah Dave maybe just one clarification and additional comment on the recovery of the SMEs. We saw them fully recover in Q1 of 22 not 23 just to make sure I'm precise. The other thing I will tell you is while the recovery of the large corporates.

has been not as rapid as what we've seen with the SMEs. We do see strong enough demand, even with the large corporates, that it is giving us pretty good pricing power. As we talked about a couple quarters ago, and one of the underpinnings of the rate growth we saw in the quarter was our ability to negotiate high single-digit

special corporate rates for 2023. And as we start in earnest to go into corporate rate negotiations for 2024, we have every expectation that we will be emerging from that rate negotiation season having achieved high single-digit negotiated rates for the second straight year.

Got it. Thank you very much.

Got it. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Smeed Rose with Citi. Please go ahead.

I just wanted to ask you a little bit about the loyalty program. And I'm sorry if you've shared this already, but what percent of occupancy came through loyalty members in the quarter? And could you just touch on maybe what you're seeing on direct bookings versus the percentage bookings coming through OTAs?

That sure. So just real quickly, overall mid-50s for bond boy penetration, low 60s for US and Canada. And when you look at, we are still kind of mid-70s for direct contribution, direct channel contribution for our...

bookings and the OTA is 11 to 12 percent. So again, fairly stable, but the main point is that our

When you think about the digital channels, they have gained meaningfully more share over the past several years than the OTAs and grown very nicely. And when you look, just kind of one last data point for you, when you think about redemption...

as a percentage of our total room nights, it's 6%. And digital is mid-30s.

Okay, thank you. And this is funny, we need to talk a little bit more about –

how you guys are thinking about credit card fee growth, and you mentioned it was a double-digit. Is it, I mean, I don't know if you can say, but is it driven by incremental spending sort of on a same-store basis, or is it more driven by more cards going up there? And maybe how would you think about the sort of longer-term growth rate in that feed stream?

Sure. All of the above. You've got great news in terms of adding cardholders. That is an obviously critical component to this, is adding additional cardholders, and we're very pleased with adding additional cardholders.

And then obviously it's the average spend on those existing cardholders. So as you see growth in those two, you get the growth in credit card. But just as importantly is adding new countries. So when we add a South Korea, a Japan, a China, you know, it really opens up a new market that goes from zero to...

in September about kind of how to think about that in a three-year model. But as I said for this year, I think you can be looking at down for overall total credit card branding fees to be in about the roughly 10% range.

Thank you. Well I can attest that my kids are helping on the seed growth for you. Thanks for your comments. We appreciate the support.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Dori Kestin with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning. Where do you feel that your gap by region or brand type exists today?

So, I'll start, Tony, and then you jump in. I think you've heard us talk about our entry into the Affordable Mid-Scale. I think you've heard us talk about our entry into the Affordable Mid-Scale.

space since the acquisition of City Express in Cala and with our conversation about MidX Studios, which is a mid-scale extended stay product that we're very excited about in the U.S. and are having great conversations with owners.

And really, we look at that around the world as providing great opportunities for us in addition to growing all of our other brands. I think it's important to note that we think there's lots of room for us to have growth across all segments around the world in our existing brands.

mid-scale brand in EMEA and look forward to some announcements in the back half of the year regarding that. So we'll continue to look to try to meet our customers' needs and expand our distribution in a way that strengthens Bonvoy.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Bill Crow with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Okay, good morning. Tony, you talk about normalization in the U.S.

We talked about it as well. In the last, I don't know, six weeks or so, we've seen Revpar in the US.

Plus or minus 1% maybe up to 2% just cares what it is that you can look at and say

you know, the real normalized rate might return more to 3 to 4%. What are the drivers out there to get us off this subinflationary growth rate?

Yeah, good question Bill. I point to a few things.

was split almost perfectly evenly by both occupancy and rate improvement. We saw 5% improvement in ADR, which I thought was quite encouraging.

Similarly, and that was a global number, pivoting to the US, which I think was your question. In the US and Canada, we talked a little bit about group. Some of the pricing power we're seeing in group as evidenced by the revenue pace we're seeing..

not only in the back half of 2023, where we're pacing up 11% in revenue, but also where we're seeing in 24, where we're now pacing up 14%, which is already up five points, just three months.

since the last time we talked to you about group pace. And then as you heard from Lieny, when she was asking one of the earlier questions about business transient, you had 6% ADR growth in business transient in the US and Canada.

which I think is another data point. When you throw all that in the blender together, all of that gives us some comfort that there is some opportunity. The only thing I would say to you and you heard we need references.

data point when you throw all that in the blender together all of that gives us some comfort that there is some opportunity. The only thing I would say to you and you heard Lene reference this we do expect

year over year, ADR to moderate a bit given some of the comparisons particularly as we get into Q3 and Q4. But we do expect ADR to continue to grow through the back half of the year. Great. That was it for me. Thank you. Thank you. We'll take our next question from Dwayne Finworth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning and congrats on these results. If we just play back your guidance revisions since the start of the year on international, we know Europe is strong, but how would you rank other international regions in terms of the contribution?

The development Ah Ah backdrop in China as it stands today, just sort of the latest lay of the land in terms of starts and construction progress.

Any sort of acceleration and sort of how things look on the ground that would be helpful.

Sure of course, so maybe I'll sort of go in in sequence.

We're seeing a very encouraging uptick in the pace of development and inquiries are.

Parallel up tick in the number of signed Mou use and then parallel.

Committee submissions and approvals.

As you'll recall from some of our previous conversations oftentimes. Unlike many other markets around the world.

New construction hotels, often come into our development process window structures are well under construction as opposed to a U S steel where it might come to us as a greenfield site.

Many of those under construction buildings.

Had been paused during the pandemic, we have seen parallel encouraging restart of many of those construction projects. So when we think about each of the milestones in the development of a hotel project.

Or the lifecycle of a hotel project, we're seeing harijan uptick at every one of those milestones across greater China.

Perfect. Thanks, so much.

Youre welcome.

Thank you we'll take our next question from Ari Klein with smoke markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you Tony you mentioned the strength of U S travel to overseas market, maybe can you update us on what you're seeing as far as international visitation into the U S and your outlook, there and maybe what drives a resurgence.

Sure so.

I'm going to ask we need to remind you the exact percentage, but historically the percentage of inbound international.

Into the U S market has historically always been a relatively modest I think sub 5% if memory memory serves.

And so as borders open you're starting to see that recover but it is not nearly as impactful as.

Outbound U S into some of these international markets as we've talked about in the past now the exception to that I will tell you is if you look at a couple of individual cities already and so just to give you a flavor. We were just looking at this the other day.

Use New York as an example, and that May not surprise you a great deal if you'd go back to 2019.

International traveler share of transient room nights in New York in 2019 was 12%.

In the second quarter, we actually exceeded that in the second quarter of this year, 13% of transient room nights in the New York.

Where international inbound.

That city really stands out theres only a handful of other U S. Major U S cities that are double digit Washington, or excuse me a Miami.

Is 12% in the quarter.

About 15% back in 2019.

San Francisco was 11% back in 2019, it was actually 10% in the second quarter.

Hawaii the state of Hawaii as a destination was 12% in 2019 and it was actually 10% in the second quarter. So hopefully that gives you a bit of a flavor.

I appreciate it thanks, and then in the U S. Specifically on the development pipeline are you seeing any differences in the ability for us to find and hire and are there projects hotels versus the smaller ones that are maybe more a select service okay.

So I'll I'll start and Tony jump in so you know.

All I'm, saying continues to be true that proven markets proven brands proven developers proven owners always wins out.

And that is still the case so it really depends on the project are I will say that we've seen such great impact from renovated hotels, but I think there is the reality that an existing hotel.

That is not a new development project that that's not kind of not earning money for quite a while are that those are easier to do especially a.

When they're turning it into a fantastic representation of about particular brands and I think those are getting done but I think the reality is that those are with the level of interest rates and the loan to values that are being required is that it's tougher to make these deals pencil. So they.

Are happening they're getting done are they're just not getting done at the same pace that they were before.

Thanks for the color.

Yeah.

Thank you we'll take our next question from Mike Labelle, Alright with Baird. Please go ahead.

Thank you good morning, everyone I just wanted to follow up on the MGM deal, but focus on group.

Couple of parts here, maybe what's your view on the upside in Vegas for group business at these hotels.

Maybe more broadly how are your sales teams are incentivized to put groups into certain hotels, and then presumably vegas is going to gain share maybe what's your view on.

The markets that lose share as group rotates into Vegas. Thanks.

Sure. So maybe I'll try at a high level and then Linda you might want to be a little more granular I'm. Obviously, we think it's a huge win for our group customers as you know Michael the way, we sell group as we look at their multiyear rotational needs and for me.

Many of these particularly large groups Las Vegas is always in their multi year plan, while we had the ability to offer them the cosmopolitan.

The breadth of offerings, we can now make available to them, particularly the largest largest of those groups that need very significant meeting space. We think we've got a terrific opportunity to keep them within the Marriott group Eco system much more effectively.

Our sales teams will be collaborating closely the Marriott and the M. G. M sales teams to ensure we capture as much of that demand as possible in terms of markets that that might be impacted by that most of those groups are rotating through Las Vegas as a destination anyway.

And so I don't think we're deeply concerned that groups going there will be at the expense of those destinations. We just think we have a better probability of capturing that Las Vegas rotation within the Marriott ecosystem.

And at this time this will conclude our Q&A has we are at a lot of time I will turn the call back over there Tony Capuano for closing remarks.

Great well. Thank you all for your interest this morning, I wish you safe travels and we look forward to seeing all of you in Miami September . Thank you.

Thank you. This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation you may disconnect at any time.

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