Q1 2024 Quantum Corp Earnings Call
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Welcome to Quantum's fiscal first quarter 'twenty 'twenty four financial results conference call.
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Good morning, and thank you for joining today's conference call to discuss Quantum's first quarter fiscal 'twenty 'twenty four financial results I'm, Brian Cabrera Quantum's, Chief administrative officer.
Speaking first today is Jamie Lerner, our chairman and CEO , followed by Ken GNL our CFO .
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Now I would like to turn the call over to our chairman and CEO , Jamie Lerner Jamie.
Thank you, Brian and thank you all for joining us.
Earlier today, we announced our results for our first quarter fiscal 2024.
Turning to slide three here is a brief overview of the results from the quarter.
We finished Q1 'twenty four with $91 8 million in revenue.
non-GAAP gross margin of 38, 3%.
And adjusted EBITDA of <unk> 8 million.
While the revenue came in well below expectations with travel address in a moment, our global efficiency plan and cost reduction initiatives.
Hope to deliver a 280 basis point sequential improvement in non-GAAP gross margins to above 38%.
As well as adjusted EBITDA improvements of over two times year over year as we continue to focus on driving improved profitability.
Ken and I will walk through the quarter and the actions we are taking to deliver an improved year over year adjusted EBITDA as we described in our annual guidance.
Now turning to slide four I would like to share some operational insights.
Several factors impacted revenue falling short of our expectations.
First media sales that traditionally do not finalized until the last week of the quarter from our partners.
And it's been traditionally steady her over the last 12 quarters came in lower than anticipated by $2 3 million in Q1 24.
Investigation into this shortfall revealed there was unseen excess capacity in the market compounded by higher than anticipated weakness in the hyperscale vertical marketplace.
Next we saw some end of quarter hyperscale deliveries that were impacted by unexpected delays.
And finally, some primary and secondary orders materialize later than anticipated impacting this quarter's revenue.
Turning to non-GAAP gross margins, we improved to 38, 3% based on improved operational efficiencies in manufacturing and services combined with the reduced mix of lower margin device and media sales and Hyperscale business.
We anticipate the operational improvements in both manufacturing and services to continue through the near term.
As you will hear from can we anticipate another 400 basis point improvement to 42% gross margin in Q2 24.
Margins are also improving with continued growth in our annual recurring revenue.
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Fiscal Q1 subscription a R. R grew by 78% year over year to $14 6 million.
We continue to anticipate that general availability of myriad by the end of this calendar year. We will continue our accelerated rotation from one time hardware sales to a more stable subscription a or our model.
Next as a result of our proactive actions.
We have made significant progress from our self help initiatives.
This includes improving manufacturing and logistics productivity, reducing discretion discretionary spend.
Leveraging our global footprint.
These self help initiatives are a key part of our transformation along with improvements in our ability to sell the full portfolio of products.
We expect to see continued positive benefits from these actions in fiscal Q2, given the timing of some actions was implemented late in the first quarter.
As a result, we anticipate non-GAAP operating expenses should begin to trend below $34 million a quarter for the rest of the year as we continue to find opportunities to leverage our global footprint.
<unk> deeper cost actions and improve operational efficiencies to increase our profitability.
Finally, I want to address the current market environment and actions we are taking.
While there continues to be exponential growth in public cloud.
Heading into this fiscal year, we are seeing indications that the hyperscale environment will not be as robust as in prior years.
The drivers of this outlook our many <unk>.
<unk> indications of cloud storage slowdown due to the economic environment tighter.
Tighter budgets and the emerging trend of repatriation of certain data workloads to on premise system.
All of these factors have led our Hyperscale partners to a cautious capacity outlook for the next two quarters.
Thus subsequent to the Q1, 'twenty four quarter and our largest hyperscale customer informed us that they were pausing all additional orders in our fiscal Q2 'twenty four with the potential to also extend into fiscal Q3 'twenty four.
Well they are still deploying our solution from their on hand inventory.
We anticipate this pause in new orders to impact our revenue outlook.
This customer was our only concentration of revenue greater than 10% in fiscal 2023 and represented over $22 million in our most recent.
Q1 24.
While this hyperscale slowdown was anticipated in our initial fiscal year 'twenty four outlook. These recent developments.
Have a deeper impact than we anticipated.
And we estimate that this and the potential for additional Hyperscale slowdowns will impact our initial fiscal year 'twenty for full year outlook by $35 million to $40 million.
In addition, we anticipate this slowdown will also impact device and media sales to similar levels as Q1 24 for the near term.
While the media slowdown will have a very low margin impact we anticipate a revenue impact of approximately $15 million from our original fiscal year 'twenty for our outlook.
And we'll give you more color on the full impact of the guidance and our outlook in his financial update.
While the large hyperscale drop is disappointing we are encouraged by the improvement in our end to end opportunities in both hyper and.
Both primary and non Hyperscale secondary solution.
In Q2, we see the potential for this market to increase 30% to 40% year over year.
Additional opportunities are opening and being explored at these customers as quantum now offers a complete end to end portfolio.
We anticipate this trend to continue into the back half of 2024.
Now I'd like to turn it over to Ken to walk through our financial results.
And Q2, 'twenty four outlook in more detail.
Ken.
Thank you Jamie Please turn to slide six and I'll provide an overview of the financial results for our fiscal first quarter.
Revenue in the first quarter of 2024 was $91 8 million a decrease of approximately 5% year over year and 13% sequentially.
As Jamie discussed lower revenue for the quarter was on softer demand for devices and media Hyperscale delays and later than anticipated bookings.
Even with the lower revenue our overall profitability has significantly improved.
Our proactive actions and manufacturing and services, along with pricing actions and improving product mix increased our GAAP gross margins 280 basis points to 38, 1% on a GAAP basis.
We expect this improved operational performance to continue through the year.
Adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter was $800000. This represented in over two X improvement compared with $300000 in the prior year first quarter.
This improvement was driven by the better gross margin performance I discussed and the initial benefit of our ongoing cost reduction initiatives.
Now turning to slide seven I'll provide a breakdown of this quarter's revenue results and the year over year trends.
Similar to last quarter, our presentation of revenue breaks down the performance of our primary and secondary storage systems from both perpetual license and subscription delivery <unk>.
Services on this slide consists of our traditional quantum services only and does not include subscription.
Primary storage revenue was $11 1 million down approximately 34% year over year and 24% sequentially late bookings in the quarter were the primary driver of this decrease.
To note our store next product, which has significant installed base, serving the media and entertainment industry did not see an impact in Q1 2024 due to the ongoing entertainment industry labor work stoppages.
Outlook for Q2, 24 does factor in modest impacts and we are anticipating potential second half headwinds if the labor situation does not improve.
Secondary storage systems revenue increased 21% year over year and decreased 12% sequentially to $40 6 million or approximately 45% of total revenue.
Jamie discussed while our Hyperscale customers were the driver of the year over year increase this vertical was down sequentially on waning capacity needs from cloud providers.
Looking at our services business revenue in the first quarter was $28 7 million down approximately 10% year over year, driven by end of service life on our older product lines.
We anticipate the declines in service revenue to begin to level off later this fiscal year.
Next in media and devices revenue decreased approximately 28% year over year and was down 24% sequentially to $8 3 million.
In Q1, while the total market capacity for media has remained essentially flat over the last few years media sharp decline from its prior run rate of near $10 million a quarter was driven by an unanticipated dip in demand.
With the recent reductions in Hyperscale capacity combined with the newer generation of MTO coming online later this year.
We are shifting our outlook to be approximately $8 million a quarter going forward.
And finally royalties in the quarter were lower and totaled approximately $3 million. We continue to anticipate royalty revenue to stabilize around current levels or an annualized rate of approximately $11 million to $12 million.
Moving to slide eight I want to provide an update of our annual recurring revenue and subscription metrics.
Total annual recurring revenue or <unk> for the quarter was approximately 40% of our total revenue at $36 4 million with a gross margin on the combined businesses being approximately 66%.
As a company we aim to consistently improve our total <unk> by maximizing our quantum service opportunities to both our partners and customers globally.
Our subscription growth continues to demonstrate the progress we're making on our business transformation efforts.
In Q1 'twenty for the subscription portion of our total <unk> increased approximately 78% year over year and approximately 9% sequentially in the first quarter to $14 6 million.
Finally of note, we continue to see strong implementation of our subscription offering with over 89% of new customers on subscription.
Also as we enter our first subscription renewal cycle. We are very encouraged by the progress we're seeing with a near 100% renewal rate in Q1 24.
Now turning to slide nine let's review, our first quarter GAAP results.
GAAP gross margin for the first quarter was 38, 1% compared to 35, 1% of revenue in the first quarter of 2023.
GAAP net loss in the first quarter was $10 6 million or a loss of <unk> 11 per share compared to a loss of $10 6 million or <unk> 13 per share in the same quarter last year.
Now turning to slide 10 for non-GAAP metrics.
non-GAAP gross margin for the first quarter was 38, 3% representing over 280 basis point improvement both sequentially and year over year.
non-GAAP operating expenses were $35 5 million in the first quarter down from $36 3 million a year over year and down from the $37 million last quarter.
non-GAAP adjusted net loss in the first quarter was $4 8 million or five loss per share flat, both sequentially and year over year.
And finally, adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter improved to $800000, which shows our ability to improve our operational cost profile, despite revenue coming below our expectations.
Our focus on improving EBITDA and total profitability will continue to center on our global cost reduction initiatives and our sales team's effort in driving more end to end higher margin subscription based solutions.
We continue to anticipate our efforts will deliver sequential and year over year improvements in profitability, even on a lower revenue base in fiscal year 2024.
Now please turn to slide 11 for an overview of debt and liquidity at quarter end.
Cash cash equivalents and restricted cash at the end of the first quarter were approximately $25 7 million outstanding.
Outstanding debt split between term and our revolver was $106 4 million of which includes $15 million in additional debt funding, we secured during the quarter in conjunction with greater covenant flexibility at.
At quarter end, the company's net debt position was $106 million.
We remain focused on improving our working capital and overall cash conversion metrics as we drive towards being cash flow positive in the second half of fiscal year 2024.
Turning to slide 12, I'll now review the company's guidance for the second quarter and fiscal year 2024.
First we anticipate total revenue in the second quarter to be $80 million, plus or minus $3 million.
This outlook was significantly impacted by the recent news from our largest customer.
We expect non-GAAP adjusted net loss per share for the second quarter to be negative <unk>, <unk>, plus or minus <unk> <unk> per share based on an estimated $93 9 million shares outstanding.
Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter is expected to be approximately $2 million.
This improvement on significantly lower revenue is driven by anticipated gross margins to be approximately 42% and non-GAAP operating expense to be approximately $34 million.
In terms of our outlook for the full year 2024, with the unanticipated drop in both media and Hyperscale verticals. We now expect revenue to be 360 million plus or minus $10 million.
This updated range also takes into consideration the potential second half impact of prolonged work stoppage in the entertainment industry.
While our full year revenue outlook dropped $55 million at the midpoint. It was primarily in verticals with low gross margins after evaluating our new product mix and our self help improvement efforts, we anticipate gross margins of approximately 42% for the full year.
This is a big driver of our anticipated adjusted EBITDA for the full year of approximately $17 million with a range of plus or minus $3 million.
To add some color to our progress and guidance. Please turn to slide 13.
Our return to profitability programs.
Continues to be focused on improving revenue mix driving operational efficiencies, leveraging our global footprint and executing self help cost reduction initiatives.
All of these programs are actively underway and we are making strong progress.
Unanticipated in our original full year outlook was the proportion of the declines in Hyperscale media and the impact of a prolonged entertainment industry work stoppage.
Even with these revenue headwinds quantum is demonstrating our ability to run a disciplined manufacturing and service operation, while implementing strong cost and discretionary spend controls across our operations.
Looking beyond Q2 in the second half of fiscal year 2020 for our self help programs are taking shape better than anticipated.
While we have risk adjusted the revenue outlook with this latest information we will continue to work with our customers and our partners to find opportunities to improve this outlook as we progressed throughout the year.
With that I'll now hand, the call back to Jamie for closing remarks.
Thanks, Ken.
Before we hand, it over to questions I want to end our prepared remarks with our view of the near term demand and Quantum's go forward focus.
While we were expecting a softening in hyperscale at certain regional cloud and enterprise customers as Ken said, the velocity of the reduction is faster and harder than our initial projections.
This will have a significant impact on our hyperscale revenue in the near term. However, there is an expectation that this will normalize and a couple of quarters.
While I am disappointed in the near term weakness of our Hyperscale vertical the overall demand trends for quantum solutions are pointing in the right direction.
The past 30 days I visited with customers and partners in the U S.
At our recent APAC partner event and during trips to Southeast Asia, India and China.
Based on customer input they are beginning to see economic improvement in their businesses and customers are accelerating the need for cost effective long term unstructured data storage management that they can get from quantum.
We are seeing the proof points in our Q2 'twenty four outlook with almost 40% year on year growth in our primary and non Hyperscale secondary solutions.
Including higher than anticipated pipeline for these solutions in the back half of the year.
<unk> continued to operate under tighter budgets in the near term they are turning to quantum to find ways to optimize the cost of their existing workloads, both on prem and in the cloud.
Quantum's end and on premise and cloud solutions are seeing significant traction and it is up to us to capture this momentum over the next few quarters.
As early AI and ml adopters and video biotechnology and industrial technology based companies give way to mass enterprise use cases that leverage AI and ml models.
Condoms myriad active scale and turnkey service offerings are ready to manage cost effective storage solutions between flash disk and tape.
Both in the cloud and on premise for any size enterprise.
Quantum or remains both an enabler and beneficiary of the enterprises need to effectively manage the cost of unstructured data between the cloud and on premise at the lowest tcl per terabyte.
Quantum remains focused and dedicated to improving both its financial and operational results for all our stakeholders and we look forward to providing more proof points over the months and quarters to come.
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Okay.
Thank you. Our first question is from George I wouldn't say with Oppenheimer <unk> co. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you for taking my question.
Jamie kind of building on your last comments about the way you're building guidance and being careful with that but can you give us.
Perspective on your visibility into the second half of the year. It appears that you're fairly confident that there'll be a a bit of a rebound with the full year guidance and.
Is there a seasonality is still built into the fourth quarter or do you expect trends to improve from the third quarter to the fourth quarter.
Yeah.
There's a series of initiatives that we've been working on.
That are coming together and those things give us confidence about the second half and it's not <unk>.
<unk> seasonality.
And those things are the following.
We've been working for six quarters to improve our margins.
And probably.
The single biggest takeaway I have from this call is the improvement to $38 three which is the best.
Margin result, we've had in six quarters, and our forecast and confidence that we're moving into <unk>.
42% margins next quarter.
So that puts us in a very different earnings position than we've been in for quite some time.
The second thing that's coming together is we have very good visibility into our North American enterprise and North American Federal business those are our most profitable pockets.
And we're seeing a 30% to 40% increase in revenues in those very margin rich segments. So.
So we are making the turn now that it's somewhat.
Painful when you look at it from a revenue perspective, but when you actually look at the mix changes, we're making that change where we're getting margins back to 42% or once we get sales back into the 90% to 95% range at those 42% margins.
Combined with the cost cutting initiatives.
Where in the <unk>.
Five to 7 million.
Adjusted EBITDA per quarter range.
That we need to get to and so we're making those changes we have the pipeline we need we have the visibility and the deals we need.
And we're making that.
Transformation.
It's not a smooth line, but we have pretty clear visibility that we'll achieve that in the back half of the year and meet the.
The $17 million of EBITDA.
That we've projected.
Okay, Ken and Joe One question for you just when we model out gross margins.
And the Hyperscale normalization looking at 42% do you have a range that we can look at as the Hyperscale kind of comes back into the mix.
Well I mean, you're asking me to project, how much hyperscale would be in that mix to tell you how that would pull it down our hyperscale business as we've said publicly before that can range anywhere from a 10% to 20% gross margin.
Type of clip so depending upon the amount of.
Dollars that come into that that's the way you would have on it but the range. We gave from a gross margin perspective tends to be somewhere between 10% to 20%.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question is from Craig Ellis with B Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Yeah. Thanks for taking the question guys and I just want to say thank you very much for all the transparency and the very detailed deck and in your prepared commentary.
Ken I was hoping to start with a clarifying question for you. So our fiscal 'twenty four revenue view is down about 10% or $40 million from prior and Hugh and Jamie. We're both very clear that there are three variables impacting that.
I was hoping you could just been out the relative impact of each of those three as we look at the $40 million revenue sorry.
Well I mean, I look at it I mean, I know $40 million from from your point, but for US we were going for a midpoint of $4 15 down that's roughly around $55 million at the midpoint.
$35 million to $40 million of that pure and simple is the hyperscale portion of it that we were focused on.
While we were very conservative in our minds going into the year.
The volatility in the velocity of this dropping out.
So quickly.
Was disappointing the set.
<unk> bucket is really around the media portion of it again both of these are low margin as I just told George.
Hyperscale thats, the 10% to 20% margin when you look at the media piece, that's 5% or lower once you get factoring rebates. So the media side of it that's probably another $15 million of $15 million to $20 million potentially out depending upon how the market recovers there so the real too big.
<unk> that we're looking at is the Hyperscale and the media portion of it.
That's really helpful. Thank you and then.
Jamie I just wanted to follow up with one of your comments in your prepared remarks.
You commented on being face to face with customers in numerous regions and I know that's a big part of your time. The question is we had picked up over the last months signs that there was a bit of a downshift economically in the U S in Europe and in <unk>.
Enterprise spending intensity Theres also been a lot of chatter about the mix of spending at enterprises cloud and mostly hyperscale customers, thus far moving towards generative systems.
What are you seeing on the former on the ladder.
Are there benefits to quantum or.
Or is that more of our breasts to hyperscale and other spending intensity.
Yeah.
You know for a long time, we spoke about the work we did in Hyperscale as proving our capabilities.
And I am seeing more and more enterprises collecting very large amounts of data usually for the purpose of performing some type of analytics AI ml work.
Economists driving companies routinely have an exit bite of data.
I am seeing just more and more companies talk about 500, petabyte exited bytes of data that they're keeping.
And they do make the basic.
Intellectual step if you will that if theyre going to keep this data for 50 to 100 years, the idea of paying a monthly fee to a some type of service provider or cloud provider to store their data for 100 years.
They just look at that and say, that's probably not economically efficient if we're gonna house data for analytics and How's this data for 'twenty 50, or 100 years, they want to engage in a conversation with quantum about how do we build our own infrastructure to do this that is the single biggest conversations that quantum is having now.
Is.
Many companies coming to us engaging in discussions around our active scale cold storage capabilities.
And how do we help them save money.
By storing data more efficiently by building those capabilities themselves.
The other the conversations we're having is around our high speed platforms for both.
Store and extend the F series and myriad.
If they are also going to start performing these very high performance AI ml runs theyre seeing us as not only a viable provider of that but also a very cost effective provider of that because our systems are so performance that they can perform AI and ml workload.
Either on the cloud or on their own hardware more efficiently. So the faster you can perform and AI workload. The last hardware. The last time on the cloud you need and so we're engaging in a lot of conversations about how we can.
Perform AI workloads more efficiently than others.
So the conversations have been good our pipeline is the largest it's been since I've been here and that's why we're feeling more comp even though.
Obviously, there is <unk>.
Disappointment and frustration with the current quarter and some of the rapid changes our largest customers have made.
But we're feeling pretty confident of it and confident about the back half of the year because of the projects, we're engaging with and this is what we had hoped for some time is that our capabilities in the cloud will translate to enterprise sales and we're starting to see that happen and seeing.
The pipeline develop.
We're more and more people.
One our cloud capability.
I think I think I'd add on to that Greg is when this shift that Jamie talked about we anticipated would happen eventually, but we were thinking this would be one to two years out before that shift would happen and we'd have the myriad capabilities online.
To offset that that movement, but as you can also see from our numbers. We're very pleased with the uptick on that side of it and thats going to help create some long term stability as we can get more of that annual recurring revenue.
On our products and services.
That's really helpful guys and then just a follow up to that Ken.
So the $360 million.
Annual revenue given the guide for fiscal <unk> would seem to imply that the business would rebound maybe mid single digits and mid teens in the back half of the year.
Sequentially.
Can you just talk about.
The overall linearity I know, you're not providing specific guidance per quarter, but how do you see the linearity playing out.
And as you look at the back half what are some of the bigger risk to two.
The rebound that's implied in guidance. Thank you.
No I mean, that's exactly right sequentially I mean.
When you think about the efforts that we're doing right now it's going to be as Jamie said earlier getting those proof points in North American fed we've been investing in the sales team there and the group there for over.
Well over a year now and we have a lot of confidence in the team that they have the visibility and the connections that we're going to close these pieces out when you start looking and thinking about the object storage market in the second half and the future pipeline growth associated with it as Jamie said the pipeline and just the basic conversion numbers associated.
With that.
Give us greater confidence in the company has had in a while in those marketplaces.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question is from Eric Martin <unk> with Lake Street. Please proceed with your question.
Yeah, I wanted to revisit the Q1 linearity I know you guys said it was June 6th when you gave the outlook for Q1 so.
And I'm talking specifically on the primary storage side.
With regard to the booking delays did you see any patterns.
Either government or enterprise maybe.
Verticals Geos.
Yes, so I mean I'll start with the one in the delay side that got US was our video surveillance side.
These are tend to be longer sales cycles, we had confidence with some pretty significant bookings that we are going to come in they did come in.
Unfortunately, it was just late within the quarter to fully be able to fulfill those those elements of it.
As I said before there were delayed to hyperscale delay in.
Some of the deliveries there and then you look at.
As I said video surveillance and I'm, just looking through my notes here.
In media, obviously was the surprise at the end of the quarter.
Okay and was government, where you thought it would be for June .
Oh, yes, we're it's trailing in that we were on track for where we anticipated that to be.
Traditionally this quarter is the big government.
Government quarter that you see.
Across the board so.
That's kind of we're looking at a pretty large step up in our government business for this for Q2, our fiscal Q2.
Okay, and then <unk>.
Question regarding the debt and liquidity. So this would be referring to.
Slide 11.
You talked about.
Getting to cash flow positive in the second half.
And our prior conversations you had been targeting in the October November timeframe is that still accurate or has that moved to the right given the recast of the full year outlook.
Yes, I move that slightly to the right just to be conservative as we come through rate obviously at these levels.
<unk>.
Our prior outlook of where we're at we were pretty solid with the <unk>.
October November .
We're talking maybe months.
It moves out not not quarter. So we still feel confident we can get to that in this fiscal year with this knowledge of what's come in obviously, we were already pulling levers to be more disciplined in our spending.
The Capex portion of it was really going to be the biggest lever for getting there and we've made some decisions over the last few days that were going to be.
What more conservative on some of that Capex spend which will give us the flexibility and to get back to free cash flow positive.
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you. Our next question is from <unk>.
Chop shape with Northland capital markets. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you.
Ken.
Hmm.
Both of these.
So the.
I explained that Youre seeing in your North American enterprise and federal vertical that gives you confidence in the back half of the fiscal year, what's the composition of that product pipeline.
Especially with respect to myriad.
Well.
Right wrong or indifferent theres no myriad in that number that we're giving right now. So we are focused purely on what's on the truck today and that is really composing that confidence comes of the active scale and active scale cold storage products that we have that's really where we're focusing along with.
Our other video surveillance and other elements of round.
Primary storage and the story next elements.
But the story next we've taken some of the elements out of there just to be cautious in.
In the back half of the year, depending upon how the.
The labor unrest goes within the media and entertainment industry.
Sure.
Okay.
Slide 13 is really helpful. I appreciate it a lot, but it does bring up some additional questions, especially in the context of the exploration of $55 million take down with.
<unk> 35, or 40, being hyper scalar and the remainder being device and media.
But as you just mentioned you are being cautious with your store next with respect to M&A.
Work stoppage.
And so.
That's got to be an element as well, but I guess, there's a positive lever that is offsetting that conservatism.
Yes, there is.
As we discussed before the active scale portions in the elements from the governmental business.
Are showing stronger than we anticipated. So that's some of the offsets associated with that in the in the primary business.
Got it Okay and then.
The.
Net mix impact of $7 million on a bit versus $55 million.
Of the takedown that implies.
Healthy EBITDA margin.
It looks like in the towards the 15% range, which would add rich EBITDA margin relative to what you've been putting up and so reconcile that with the contention that the hyper scaler in device is basically low margin business.
So I heard the question, but I didn't get it to be honest with you so with the fallout of the Hyperscale.
We were always looking at the Hyperscale and the media business. As this was just gravy on top of what we're doing with our operating business when Jamie brought me on board and we sat with the team looking out at this next year. It was about self help and how do we get healthy with our margins being more effective and efficient with our global footprint, how we can.
Can look and improve our operational margins, particularly in services with the declines with a lot of the end of service life.
Lot of our margin improvement throughout the year was always based on self help now.
Plus side to that is we also knew and felt confident that.
The themes going into this year, we're looking at how our active scale cold storage in our rest of our primary business was going to pick up traction year over year.
Both of those all three of those things are happening.
Thing that we've lost going into this quarter I mean, we're talking days of knowledge here was the dropout.
And the velocity of the drop out associated with the Hyperscale and the media business. Those two elements were the ones that again as I said, we're gravy on top of all the other elements. We still have handles on we're pulling the levers and we see the path to execute too. So we're cautiously optimistic is as we start getting towards the <unk>.
Half of the year.
We will work through some of this excess inventory in the Hyperscale business and there is a potential for some of that to start coming back in towards the back half of the year.
Okay.
Alright, thanks for that look forward to talking more on the call back then.
Yes.
Thank you there are no further questions at this time I would like to hand, the floor back over to Jamie Lerner for any closing comments.
Alright, thanks, everyone for attending today's call.
If anyone wants to spend more time with us dig deeper Ken and I will make ourselves available. Thanks, everyone.
Sure.
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