Q3 2023 DiaMedica Therapeutics Inc Earnings Call

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Speaker 2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Diomedica Therapeutics third quarter 2023 conference call.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the dire medical Therapeutics third quarter 2023 conference call.

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Speaker 2: Before the company proceeds with its remarks, please note that the company will be making forward-looking statements on today's call.

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Speaker 2: Following the prepared remarks, we will open the phone lines for questions.

Following the prepared remarks, we will open the phone lines for questions.

Speaker 2: I would now like to introduce your host for today's call, Mr. Rick Pauls, Diomedicus President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Pauls.

I would now like to introduce your host for today's call Mr. Rick Pauls Diet, Medical's, President and Chief Executive Officer Mrs.

Mr. Pauls you may begin sir.

Speaker 3: Thank you, Paul. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter conference call. I am joined this morning by Scott Kellen, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin this morning, I want to take a moment to welcome Dr. Ambar Shah as our Chief Technology Officer. Dr. Shah has over 25 years of experience in advancing biopharmaceuticals from early stage to commercialization, where he has had key contributions to over 50 drugs and multiple successful drug approvals. He was previously the Vice President and Head of Global Vaccine Development at CSL Seqirus, where he was accountable for end-to-end chemistry, manufacturing, and control in the development of vaccines. Prior to that position, he was Executive Director

Thank you Paul Hello, everyone and welcome to our third quarter Conference call I Am joined this morning by Scott Cohen, Our Chief Financial Officer before we begin this morning I wanted to take a moment to welcome Doctor Umber Shaw as our Chief Technology Officer. Dr. Shaw has over 25 years of experience in advancing biopharmaceutical from early stage.

Page to commercialization, where he has had key contributions to over 50 drugs in multiple successful drug approvals.

Previously the vice President and head of global vaccine development at <unk>.

Where he was accountable for end to end chemistry manufacturing and control and the development of vaccines prior to that position he was executive director.

Speaker 3: Head of Drug Product Development at Bristol-Myers Squibb's, formerly Celgene.

Head of drug product development at Bristol Myers Squibb's, formerly Celgene his prior experience comprised increasingly impactful roles.

Speaker 3: His prior experience comprised increasingly impactful roles at AstraZeneca, formerly MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, formerly Human Genome Science, and Pfizer, formerly Wyatt.

Zeneca, formerly Medimmune Glaxo Smithkline, formerly human genome science, and Pfizer, formerly Wyeth.

Speaker 3: Umbrush consulted with us for five months before joining us in a permanent role. We are thrilled to have Umbrush as part of our team.

Members consulted with us for five months before joining us in a permanent role we are thrilled to have ambition as part of our team.

Turning to our phase two updates as we've discussed our clinical operations had been working tirelessly to assemble the team update procedures and prepare the tools to properly support the physician investigators and the clinical studies sites. During this time, we have also been speaking with study sites key opinion leaders industry.

Speaker 3: As we've discussed, our clinical operations have been working tirelessly to assemble the team, update procedures, and prepare the tools to properly support the physician investigators and the clinical study sites. During this time, we have also been speaking with study sites, key opinion leaders, industry...

<unk> experts are scientific advisory board and our new interim Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Jordan, Dubai to ensure that the remedy to protocol it is clear and executable as possible.

Speaker 3: our Scientific Advisory Board, and our new Interim Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Jordan Dubois.

Speaker 3: to ensure that the Remedy 2 protocol is as clear and executable as possible.

Speaker 3: by study sites while generating the data required for the FDA and other regulatory bodies. More than that, we want to give DM-19 the greatest possible probability of clinical success. We will focus today on discussing these protocol amendments. In addition to issuing our quarterly earnings press release yesterday, we provided a slide deck presenting more detailed information.

By study sites, while generating the data required for the FDA and other regulatory bodies more than that we wanted to give that money now in the greatest possible probability of clinical success.

I'll focus today on discussing these protocol amendments in addition to issuing our quarterly earnings press release yesterday, we provided a slide deck presenting more detailed information. This information is available on both the die medical website at www diabetic dot com and the Sec's website Www dot.

Speaker 3: This information is available on both the Diomedica website at www.diomedica.com and the SEC's website www.SEC.gov.

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Speaker 3: The amendment protocols was submitted to the FDA in early October , and the FDA did not have any comments as of the end of the 30-day review period, which expired on November 3rd. Given this, we are able to and are moving forward in conducting Remedy-2 with this amended protocol. In its totality, we believe the amended protocol significantly increases our probability

The Amendment protocol was submitted to the FDA in early October and the FDA did not have any comments as of the end of the 30 day review period, which expired on November 3rd given this we are able to and they're moving forward and connecting remedy to with this amended protocol and instantaneously, we believe the amended protocol significantly <unk>.

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Speaker 3: of achieving clinical success and will accelerate site activation. Furthermore, if we increase the performance improvement of DM-109 versus placebo at the interim analysis, we can reduce the total required number of patients.

Achieving clinical success and will accelerate the site activation. Furthermore.

If we increase the performance improvement of D. M. One nine versus placebo at the interim analysis, we can reduce the total required number of patients for the trial, which is our quickest and most cost effective path to completing the trial and getting our drug to stroke patients.

Speaker 3: for the trial, which is our quickest and most cost-effective path to completing the trial and getting our drug to stroke patients.

Speaker 3: The most significant change in the protocol centered around the inclusion and exclusion criteria for the trial.

The most significant change in the protocol centered around the inclusion and exclusion criteria for the trial, specifically, we modified the baseline National Institute of health stroke scale or N. I H S. S inclusion score to focus on ischemic strokes of moderate severity. This is defined as patients presenting.

With a baseline and I H S score.

Five to 15, we conducted a post hoc review of a remedy one phase two stroke trial focusing on those participants.

Speaker 3: We conducted a post hoc review of a remedy one phase two stroke trial, focusing on those participants.

Speaker 3: that did not receive mechanical thrombectomy prior to enrollment in a Remedy 1 trial. This is a subset of that trial that most closely aligns with the target patient population for the Remedy 2 trial.

Did not receive mechanical thrombectomy prior to enrollment in a remedy one trial. This is a subset of that trial that most closely aligns with the target patient population for the remedy to trial in these patients there was a 15% greater absolute improvement in participants, reaching an excellent outcome.

Speaker 3: In these patients, there was a 15% greater absolute improvement in participants reaching an excellent outcome.

Speaker 3: defined as a score of 0 to 1 on the Modified Rank and Scale, or MRS. This group comprised of 45 participants, 25 active, and 21 placebo.

Defined as a score of zero to one on the modified Rankin scale or Mris. This group comprised of 45 participants 25 active and 21 placebo. These participants were enrolled based upon a baseline NIH SS score of 6% to 24 scores about 15.

Speaker 3: These participants were enrolled based upon a baseline NIHSS score of 6 to 24. Scores above 15 represent moderate...

<unk> represent a moderate to severe and severe strokes when we look at the results from just a moderate severity strokes and this trial those in the NIH S scores of six to 15, which includes 34 participants 19 on D M money nine and 15 of them.

Speaker 3: to severe and severe strokes. When we look at the results from just a moderate severity strokes in this trial, those in the NIHS scores of 6 to 15, which includes 34 participants, 19 on DM-19, and 15 on placebo, the improvement in excellent outcomes increased to 18%.

Placebo, the improvement and excellent outcomes increased to 18%.

Speaker 3: And if we go one step further and look at just the strokes with the baseline NIHS score of six to 10, the improvement in excellent outcomes is even higher, where we had 35.

And if we go one step further and look at just the strokes with the baseline NIH S score of six to 10, the improvements and excellent outcomes is even higher.

Where we had 35%.

Speaker 3: based on 26 participants, of which 14 were on DM-29 and 12th disabled. Let me add the caveat here and recognize that this post-hoc analysis includes a small number of patients, but it is key to point out.

Just on 26 participants of which 14 were on D. M. One nine and 12 placebo, but let me add the caveat here and recognize that this post hoc analysis includes a small number of patients but it is key to point out there were no study participants and the non mechanical thrombectomy subgroup.

Speaker 3: There were no study participants in the non-mechanical thrombectomy subgroup with a baseline score of 15...

With a baseline score.

15 that achieved an excellent outcome and mris of zero to one.

Speaker 3: That achieved an excellent outcome, an MRAS of 0 to 1.

Speaker 3: It is a high clinical bar to take a patient with a baseline NIHSS score above 15, a moderately severe stroke, and expect many to get to an MRS score of 0 to 1. It is important to note the average NIHSS baseline in most calcine studies.

It has a high clinical bar to take a patient with a baseline NIH SS score above 15, a moderately severe stroke and expect many to get to and Mris score of zero to one it is important to note the average and I H S. S baseline and most Californians studies. This is the hue.

Speaker 3: This is the human urinary form of KLK1 in China, range from 8 to 8.5. In contrast, remedy one was 10.9. By targeting moderate strokes, we anticipate aligning more closely with the KLK1 range.

In urinary form of K O Q1 in China ranged from eight to eight five in contrast remedy one was 10.9 by targeting moderate strokes, we anticipate aligning more closely with the <unk> range.

Speaker 3: Just to tie things out, we're also including stroke patients.

Just to tie things out, we're also including stroke patients.

Speaker 3: having a baseline NIHS score of 5, which represents approximately 20% of all moderate strokes. As mentioned, we saw the highest treatment

Having a baseline NIH S score of five which represents approximately 20% of all moderate strokes as mentioned, we saw the highest treatment effect in the NIH of scores of six to 10 and by including anti itch scores of five we hope to capture more of these patients.

Speaker 3: in the NIHS scores of 6 to 10, and by including NIHS scores of 5, we hope to capture more of these patients. Our new range of 5 to 15 also fully aligns

Our new range of five to 15 and also for the alliance with the official NIH SS definition of moderate ischemic strokes. The net effect of the change in the NIH is inclusion range does reduce the number of potentially eligible patients and the remedy to trial. However, we built.

Speaker 3: with the official NIHSS definition of moderate ischemic strokes. The net effect of the change...

Speaker 3: and the NIH's inclusion range does reduce the number of potentially eligible patients in the Remedy-2 trial.

Speaker 3: We believe that by focusing on moderate strokes, we have the highest probability of clinical success in generating the largest possible improvement relative to placebo, the latter being important.

That by focusing on moderate strokes, we have the highest probability of clinical success and generating the largest possible improvement relative to placebo the latter being important for both reducing the number of participants we need in the trial and generating greater statistical significance and perhaps.

Speaker 3: for both reducing the number of participants we need in the trial and generating greater statistical significance, and perhaps equally as important, eventually driving commercial adoption and favorable pricing assumptions after the FDA marketing approval.

Equally as important eventually driving commercial adoption and favorable pricing assumptions after the FDA marketing approval.

Speaker 3: The second change we want to discuss is the exclusion of ischemic strokes occurring in the posterior circulation of the brain or PC strokes.

The second change you want to discuss is the exclusion of ischemic strokes occurring in the post stereo circulation of the brain or PC strokes.

Speaker 3: These can be problematic strokes for clinical trials. The NIH Stroke Scale predominantly evaluates neurological deficits created by strokes occurring in the anterior or front circulation of the brain. As a result, PC strokes are often underscored by the NIH.

These can be problematic strokes for clinical trials, the NIH stroke scale predominantly evaluate neurological deficits created by strokes occurring any antirrio or front circulation of the brain as a result, PC strokes are often underscored by the NIH stroke scale our chief.

Speaker 3: stroke scale. Our Chief Business Officer, Dave Wombeck, was recently on a business development trip in China where he was able to capture greater perspective on the clinical use of calcang, the human urinary derived form of KLK1. In his various discussions, it became clear that PC strokes were excluded from the primary calcang studies due to the issues

Business Officer, Dave One back was recently on a business development trip in China, where he was able to capture greater perspective on the clinical use of Cal King the human urinary derive farmers K L. K, one and its various discussions it became clear that PC strokes were excluded from the primary <unk> studies do the issues.

Speaker 3: with the NIH Stroke Scale properly evaluating these patients.

With the NIH stroke scale properly evaluating these patients.

Speaker 3: Obviously, this issue has the potential to create uncontrollable variability in a clinical trial, which we prefer not to introduce in Remedy 2.

Obviously this issue has the potential to create uncontrollable variability in a clinical trial, which we prefer not to introduce and remedy too.

Speaker 3: Here again, this may also reduce the number of eligible patients for the trial, but we expect the impact to be minimal. Only 20% of all strokes originate in the posterior circulation, and approximately 70% of those have an NIHS score less than 5, meaning the vast majority of this already small pool of patients would not meet the bottom end of our baseline inclusion criteria.

Here again. This may also reduce the number of eligible patients for the trial, but we expect the impact to be minimal only 20% of all strokes originate in the Australia circulation and approximately 70% of those have an NIH S score less than five meaning the vast majority of this already small pool.

Patients would not meet the bottom end of our baseline inclusion criteria.

Speaker 3: The last change I want to address is the one that has the least potential to affect the overall timing of the trial, but is more technical.

The last change I want to address is the one that has the least potential to affect the overall timing of the trial, but it is more technical is our removal of the overwhelming efficacy assessment during the interim analysis, an interim assessment of efficacy comes with a penalty and the statistical analysis of the overall trial this penalty.

Speaker 3: is our removal of the overwhelming efficacy assessment during the interim analysis. An interim assessment of efficacy comes with a penalty in the statistical analysis of the overall trial.

Speaker 3: this penalty is significantly larger than the penalty for re-estimating sample size.

<unk> is significantly larger than the penalty for re estimating the sample size by removing this penalty. We believe we further increase the probability of study success.

Speaker 3: By removing this penalty, we believe we further increase the probability of study success.

Speaker 3: Additionally, from a practical perspective, our projected future enrollment rates suggest little benefit in conducting an interim analysis. It is key to remember that we will not stop enrolling patients once the 144th patient is recruited. During the period encompassing the enrollment of the 144th patient through their 90-day follow-up and subsequent data analysis of the interim analysis, we anticipate enrollment nearing 240 patients. Thank you.

Additionally, from a practical perspective, our projected future enrollment rates suggest little benefit in conducting an interim analysis. It is key to remember that we will not stop at enrolling patients. Once the 144th patient has recruited during the period encompassing the enrollment of the 144 P.

<unk> through their 90 day follow up and subsequent data analysis of the interim analysis, we anticipate enrollment nearing 240 patients.

Speaker 3: This 240 number represents the lower threshold of our re-estimated sample size range. Should our interim results demonstrate overwhelming efficacy strong enough to warrant halting the study, we would likely

This 240 number represents the lower threshold of our re estimated the sample size range should our interim results demonstrate overwhelming efficacy strong enough to warrant halting the study.

We would likely already be at or very near that points. It is key to point out that we will not stop enrolling patients. Once the 144th patient has recruited within now effective amended protocol that we believe gives us the highest probability of clinical success. Our focus is solely on site activation and patient recruitment.

Speaker 3: at or very near that point. It is key to point out that we will not stop enrolling patients once the 144th patient is recruited.

Speaker 3: With a now effective amended protocol that we believe gives us the highest probability of clinical success, our focus is solely on site activation and patient recruitment. Our team is energized and working closely with our global CROs.

Our team is energized and working closely with our global CRO.

Speaker 3: We have reached out to over 600 sites in 23 countries and we are conducting extensive feasibility in site selection and narrowing down to what we believe will be the best sites for our trial with a target still of up to 100 sites globally. Our protocol is also currently under review by the Canadian and Australian Stroke Consortiums. The first three sites of our trial are on track to be reactivated in November and December .

We have reached out to over 600 sites in 23 countries and we are conducting an extensive feasibility and site selection and narrowing down to what we believe will be the best sites for our trial with a target still have up to 100 sites globally our.

Our protocol is also currently under review by the Canadian and Australian stroke Consortium's.

The first three sites of our trial are on track to be reactivated in November and December.

Speaker 3: than 20 fast-track sites to follow in the U.S. We are working with our CRO and scientific advisory board in the selection process. The majority of U.S. sites should be activated in the first half of 2024. We'll provide more information on the timing of sites at our next conference call.

And then 'twenty fast track sites to follow in the U S. We are working with our CRO and scientific Advisory Board and the selection process.

You're already of U S sites should be activated in the first half of 'twenty 'twenty four will provide more information on the timing of sites at our next conference call.

Speaker 3: Also, as we discussed in our last earnings call, based upon enrollment rates in recent stroke trials and discussions with multiple CROs, we believe that full enrollment for the interim analysis can be completed in 2024, but ultimately, this will depend upon the actual enrollment rates.

Also as we discussed in our last earnings call based upon enrollment rates and recent stroke trials and discussions with multiple see arrows. We believe that full enrollment for the interim analysis can be completed in 2024, but ultimately this will be dependent upon the actual enrollment rates.

Speaker 3: Before handing it over to Scott, I'd like to emphasize we have received significant interest from key opinion leaders and investigators. DM-29 is designed to enhance collateral circulation, a method we consider superior to neuroprotectants and more like other established revascularization treatments like TPA and mechanical thrombectomy.

Before handing it over to Scott I'd like to emphasize we have received significant interest from key opinion leaders and investigators Deamonte nine is designed to enhance collateral circulation and method, we consider superior to new a protectant and more like other established revascularization treatments like Tpa and mechanical thrombectomy.

Speaker 3: They are also attracted to DMRN's potential safety profile, particularly its lack of increased bleeding. Additionally, we believe that the revised trial design with the higher potential to demonstrate an improvement in excellent outcomes also contributes to this interest.

They are also attracted to deal with any potential safety profile, particularly its lack of increased bleeding.

Additionally, we believe that the revised trial design with a higher potential to demonstrate an improvement in excellent outcomes also contributes to this interest.

Speaker 3: Believe that we are at a pivotal moment in the treatment of ischemic stroke. Now at over a quarter century since the approval of TPA for stroke. Our strategy represents a potential landmark advancement in stroke treatment since then. I'd like to now turn the call to Scott Kellen to review this quarter's financial results.

I believe that we are at a pivotal moment in the treatment of ischemic stroke now at over a quarter century since approval of Tpa for stroke, our strategy represents a potential landmark advancement in stroke treatment. Since then.

Like to now turn the call to Scott Kellen to review this quarter's financial results.

Speaker 4: Thanks Rick and good morning everyone and thanks for being part of today's call.

Thanks, Rick and good morning, everyone and thanks for being part of today's call.

Speaker 4: Our total cash equivalents and investments were $56.2 million at the end of Q3, up from $33.5 million as of December 31, 2022. This increase was due primarily to the $33.8 million of net proceeds from our June and April private placements conducted earlier this year, partially offset by cash used to fund operating activities during the nine-month end of September 30, 2023.

Our total cash cash equivalents and investments were $56 2 million at the end of Q3 up from $33 5 million as of December 31, 2022. This increase was due primarily to the $33 8 million of net proceeds from our June and April private placements conducted earlier this year.

Partially offset by cash used to fund operating activities. During the nine months ended September 32023.

Speaker 4: net cash used in operating activities for the nine-month ended September 30, 2023, was $14.9 million compared to $8.7 million in the prior year period. The increase in cash usage relates primarily to increased net loss in the current year period over the prior year period and increased amortization of discounts on marketable securities.

Net cash used in operating activities for the nine months ended September 32023 was $14 9 million compared to $8 7 million in the prior year period. The increase in cash usage relates primarily to increased net loss in the current year period over the prior year period and increased amortization of disk.

On marketable securities.

Speaker 4: partially offset by non-cash share-based compensation and the effects of changes in operating assets and liabilities in the current year period.

Partially offset by noncash share based compensation and the effects of changes in operating assets and liabilities in the current year period.

Speaker 4: We believe that our current capital will support the clinical development of DM-199 and our operations into 2026.

We believe that our current capital will support the clinical development of <unk> 199, and our operations into 2026.

Speaker 4: Our research and development expenses increased to $3.3 million for the three months ended September 30, 2023, up from $1.6 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022.

Our research and development expenses increased to $3 3 million for the three months ended September 32023.

Up from $1 6 million for the three months ended September 32022.

Speaker 4: R&D expenses increased to $9.4 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, up from $5.6 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2022.

R&D expenses increased to $9 4 million for the nine months ended September 32023 up from $5 6 million for the nine months ended September 32022.

Speaker 4: The increase for the nine-month comparison was driven primarily by costs incurred for the in-use studies performed to address the recently lifted clinical hold on the company's Remedy II AIS trial.

The increase for the nine months comparison was driven primarily by costs incurred for the <unk> studies performed to address the recently lifted clinical hold on the Companys remedy to Aif trial.

Speaker 4: Costs incurred for the Phase 1c study, determining the DM-199 blood concentration levels achieved with the IV dose of DM-199 using PVC IV bags, and increased manufacturing and process development costs.

Cost incurred for the phase <unk> study determining the DM 199 blood concentration levels achieved with the IV dose of <unk> 199, using PVC IV bags and increased manufacturing and process development costs.

Speaker 4: Also contributing to the increase were higher personnel costs associated with expanding the clinical team.

Also contributing to the increase were higher personnel costs associated with expanding the clinical team.

Speaker 4: These increases were partially offset by decreased costs incurred for the Phase 2-3 Remedy 2 AIS trial, as activity was limited prior to the June 2023 lift of the clinical hold.

These increases were partially offset by decreased costs incurred for the phase II slash three remedy to Aif's trial as activity was limited prior to the June 2023 lift of the clinical hold.

Speaker 4: Our general and administrative expenses were $1.9 million for the three months ended September 30, 2023, up from $1.5 million for the three months ended September 30, 2022.

Our general and administrative expenses were $1 9 million for the three months ended September 32023 up from $1 5 million for the three months ended September 32022.

Speaker 4: GNA expenses were $6 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, up from $4.5 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2022. The increase for the nine-month comparison was primarily due to increased legal fees incurred in connection with our lawsuit against PRA Netherlands and increased personnel costs incurred in conjunction with expanding the team.

G&A expenses were $6 million for the nine months ended September 32023 up from $4 5 million for the nine months ended September 32022.

The increase for the nine month comparison was primarily due to increased legal fees incurred in connection with our law suit against PRA, Netherlands, and increased personnel costs incurred incurred in conjunction with expanding the team.

Speaker 4: Higher costs for patent prosecution and non-cash share based compensation also contributed to the increase.

Higher cost per patient per patent prosecution and noncash share based compensation also contributed to the increase.

Speaker 4: Before I turn you over to Rick, let me share that the hearing for the PRA lawsuit is currently still on track for December 7th of this year.

Before I turn you over to Rick Let me share that the hearing for the PRA lawsuit is currently still on track for December 7th of this year.

Speaker 4: PRA recently filed a counterclaim alleging that our enforcement of the April 2023 judgment affirming our ownership of all study records violated Dutch procedural laws.

<unk> recently filed a counterclaim alleging that our enforcement of the April 2023 judgment affirming our ownership of all study records violated Dutch procedure were lost.

Speaker 4: We disagree with their counterclaim and we don't currently anticipate that this will change the December 7th hearing date. We very much look forward to presenting our case against PRA. Now, let.

We disagree with their counterclaim and we don't currently anticipate that this will change the December 7th hearing date, we very much look forward to presenting our case against PRA.

Now, let me turn you back over to Rick.

Speaker 3: Thanks, Scott. With that, we would like to open the call for questions. Operator, if you could please open the lines for questions.

Thanks Scott.

We'd like to open the call for questions. Operator, if you could please open the lines for questions.

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Speaker 2: And our first question comes from Thomas Flatton of Lake Street Capital.

And our first question comes from Thomas Flaten of Lake Street capital.

Your line is open.

Speaker 5: Good morning, just a couple of quick questions. Ricky, if you think about the total patients as a funnel, so you're excluding mechanical thrombectomy TPA. So, you know, conservatively conservatively call that 20% of patients, then you're removing about 20% of patients for the posterior circulation. Can you just walk us through how that how you see that all working? Especially if you include the score as well.

Good morning, just a couple quick questions Ricky.

Do you think about the total patients through the funnel so you're excluding mechanical thrombectomy tpa, so considerably conservatively call that 20% of patients. Then you were moving about 20% of patients for the poster circulation can you just walk us through how that how you see that all working especially if you include the NIH.

S score as well.

Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Thomas. So as we see this that, I mean, bigger picture here is what's most important for us is getting to the, we think the greatest clinical effect with this drug. And so we think commercially, the larger delta we see, so improvement of DM-9 versus placebo, we think the greater commercial value. And so as we're initially going to be targeting here, so we anticipate the initial label will be in the moderate severity stroke patients, which would be in kind of that 35 to 40 percent

Yeah. Thanks, Thomas So as we see this that I mean bigger picture here is what's most important for us is getting to the we think the greatest clinical effect with this drug and so we think commercially.

The larger.

Delta, we've seen some improvements of DRAM and NAND versus placebo and we think the greater commercial value and so as we're initially going to be targeting here. So we anticipate the initial label will be in the moderate severity stroke patients, which would be in kind of that 35% to 40% of all strokes and then <unk>.

Speaker 3: And then commercially though, as we talk to neurologists and commercial people, we think that if a patient has a mild or a moderate to severe or severe stroke, that they'll most likely be getting our treatment.

Commercially, though as we talk to neurologists and commercial people, we think that if a patient has a mild or moderate to severe severe stroke.

Most likely be getting our treatments.

Speaker 5: Got it. And then to get to the 144 patient enrollment by year end, how many sites do you need to have actively enrolling at your pacing to get to that?

Got it.

And then to get to the 144 patient enrollment by year end, how many sites do you need to have actively enrolling at your pacing to get to that number.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, you know, we're looking at, you know, and we're talking about up to 100 sites.

Yes, so right now we're looking at.

We're talking about up to 100 sites.

Speaker 3: really focusing on those, you know, first 75.

Really focusing on those first 75, so what we're looking at right now is about 40 in the U S.

Speaker 3: So what we're looking at right now is about 40 in the U.S.

Speaker 3: potentially 10 in Australia, 10 in Canada, and then the remaining in Europe and other parts of the world. So as we, you know, looking at the enrollment rate, that's the first assumption. And then the second assumption is the patient enrollment by site, by month. So right now, what we're using is an enrollment rate target of 0.25. So having one patient per site.

Potentially 10 in Australia 10 in Canada.

And then the remaining in Europe and other parts of the world. So as we are looking at the enrollment rate. That's the first assumption and then the second assumption is that the patient enrollment by site by month. So right now what we're using as an enrollment rate target of two five so having one patient.

Per site every four months.

Speaker 3: And so this is based upon some of the analysis of some historical stroke trials. We've recently gone back and did an analysis of the last 20 or so stroke trials for acute ischemic stroke. Many of those were mechanical thrombectomy that had a smaller treatment window and targeting a smaller patient population. And on average, there was an enrollment rate of 0.5.

And so this is based upon some of the analysis with some historical stroke trials. We've recently gone back in and did an analysis of the last 20 or so stroke trials.

For acute ischemic stroke many.

Many of those were mechanical thrombectomy that is smaller treatment window and targeting a smaller patient population and on average you know there was an enrollment rate of five so about twice in terms of the rate that we're targeting but there's still a lot of variables here that we just don't know so even with these changes that we've made.

Speaker 3: So about twice in terms of the rate that we're targeting, but there's still a lot of variables here that we just don't know. So even with these changes that we've made, we're still using the assumption of the 0.25 enrollment rate, and getting into the new year as we start to get some traction here, and we start getting the first sites up, we'll have better clarity of where that actual enrollment rate comes in at.

We're still using the assumption of the two five enrollment rate.

And getting into the new year as we start to get some traction here and we start getting the first sites that we will have better clarity of where that actual enrollment rates comes in that.

Speaker 5: Got it and then 1, final 1, if I might any reason that we shouldn't see the interim analysis read out in the 2nd, quarter of 25. if everything goes.

Got it and then one final one if I might any reason that we shouldn't see the interim analysis readout in the second quarter of 'twenty five if everything goes to plan.

Speaker 3: Right now, that's that's the that's the plan. And again, there's lots of variables. But I'm hoping here, I'm hoping that this enrollment rate is conservative. In the past, we had some challenges with, you know, COVID.

Right now that's the that's the plan and again, there's lots of variables.

But I'm, hoping here I'm, hoping that this enrollment rate is conservative in the past we had some challenges with COVID-19.

Speaker 3: Also, part of these protocol changes, there were some aspects in there that weren't quite clear. So, with our new interim chief medical officer, in particular, helping us with just revising and just making the trial protocol more clear, and I think that's going to help with recruitment. Excellent. Appreciate it.

Also part of these protocol changes that there were some aspects in there that were had some that weren't quake.

Clear so with our new interim Chief Medical officer in particular, helping us with just revising and just making the trial protocol more clear.

And I think that's going to help with that with recruitment.

Excellent I appreciate you taking the questions. Thank you. Thanks.

Thanks, Tom.

Speaker 2: Our next question comes from Alex Nowak from Craig Hallam.

Our next question comes from Alex Nowak from Craig Hallum.

Your line is open.

Speaker 6: All right, great. Good morning, everyone. So, the prior protocol may be in one nine available only one mechanical for back to be wasn't given. Now. It's based more on the interior circulation, but is the goal still the same to reduce the mechanical format to be patient.

Alright, Greg good morning, everyone. So the prior protocol may deem one nine available only one mechanical thrombectomy wasn't given now.

Based more on the interior circulation, but is the goal is still the same to reduce the mechanical thrombectomy patients is that is that correct.

Speaker 3: So the plan still is to be excluding patients that were previously treated with mechanical thrombectomy and to exclude those patients that have a large vessel occlusion. And we believe that's about 20% of the strokes today that have a large vessel occlusion.

So the plan still is to be excluding patients that were previously treated with mechanical thrombectomy.

And to exclude those patients that have a large vessel occlusion.

And we believe that's about 20% of the strokes today that have a large vessel occlusion.

Speaker 6: and then the interior circulation is being added on top of that.

And now I'd, and then then terrorists or conditions being added on top of that.

Speaker 4: Alex, hey, this is Scott. The, as we were laying out in the remarks, the NIHS score doesn't evaluate the posterior circulation strokes very well.

Yes, Alex Hi, this is Scott.

As we were laying out in the remarks, the NIH S score doesn't evaluate posterior circulation strokes very well.

Speaker 4: And so the potential for getting mis-scored patients into the trial, scored low or high, creates variability that we just don't want to introduce. And keep in mind that of those 20% that are PCS strokes, 70% generally present with an NAHSS score of four or less. So the effect on the addressable patient population for remedy 2 is very minimal.

And so the.

The potential for getting <unk> patients into the trial and scored.

Sure Hi creates variability that we just don't want to introduce and keep in mind that of those 20% that are PCF strokes, 70% generally present within NIH SS score of four less so.

In fact on the addressable patient population for remedy to is very minimal.

Speaker 6: Okay, got it. And then the assessment of the anterior versus posterior circulation, how quickly can that be performed in the center? Is that just a real-time assessment? And then how many in remedy one were in

Okay got it and then the assessment of the interior versus exterior circulation how quickly can that performed et cetera that just a real time assessment and then how many and remedy one where anterior.

Speaker 3: Yes, it's something that's a quick review by a neurologist. We don't have the data in front of us from a remedy one, but we can double check on that.

Yes, it's something that's a quick review by by the neurologists.

We don't have the data in front of us from a from a remedy one but we can double check on that.

Speaker 6: Okay, understood. And then I just want to confirm, so what will be reported now during the interim analysis? Understand you don't want to get hit with the penalty. I just want to be clear on what we're going to see with that interim analysis.

Okay.

And then I just want to confirm so what will now what will be reported now during the interim analysis I understand you don't want to get hit with a penalty.

I just want to be clear on what we're going to see when that interim analysis heads.

Speaker 3: Sure, so with intramural analysis, if we're seeing a lack of efficacy, the study will be terminated for lack of efficacy. Otherwise, there'll be a resampling size between 240 and 728 patients.

Sure. So the interim analysis, if we're seeing a lack of efficacy.

The study will be terminated.

For lack of efficacy otherwise there'll be a re sampling size between 240 and 728 patients. So only thing Thats changed here is that we removed the option for stopping for overwhelming efficacy.

Speaker 3: So the only thing that's changed here is that we removed the option for stopping for overwhelming efficacy.

Speaker 6: Got it. There won't be any unblinding of the data. We won't necessarily.

Got it and so there won't be any blinding of the data we won't necessarily see excellent outcomes in the interim piece will just either no. It's either going to be stopped for lack of efficacy or study size needs to be modified.

Speaker 6: you know, excellent outcomes in the intern piece. We'll just either know it's either going to be stop for lack of efficacy or study size.

Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. And basically what drove this change here as we're going through our forecasting and realizing that even if we achieve overwhelming efficacy at the interim analysis.

Yes, that's right and basically what drove this change here as we're going through our forecasting and realizing that even if we achieve overwhelming efficacy at the interim analysis during that five month period from one patient $1 44 is dosed and the interim analysis is conducted.

Speaker 3: during that five-month period from when patient 144 is dosed and the interim analysis is conducted, we should be pretty close to that 240 patient anyways.

We should be pretty close to that 240 patients anyways.

Speaker 3: uh... in particular with unite now expanding with our trial side of the u s so we felt that there's no sense of taking that statistical penalty if effectively we're going to be there anyways at that point in time

In particular with now expanding with our trial outside of the U S. So we felt that there is no sense of taking that statistical penalty if effectively we're going to be there anyway is at that point in time.

Speaker 6: Yep, makes total sense. And then all these recommendations.

Yes. It makes makes total sense and then all of these recommendations to the study change did they come internal did they come by Kols out in the field are where they are.

Speaker 6: Did they come internal? Did they come via KOLs out in the field or were they from the CRO?

From the CRO.

Speaker 3: So really good question. So it came really a combination. I mean, first off, Dave Wombeck, our chief business officer, was in China for a week in August .

So really good question Kimberly a combination I mean first off David Weinberg, our Chief business Officer was in China for a week in August and speaking to you know the company. That's currently marketing the telecom ear in form of scale key one.

Speaker 3: And speaking to, you know, the company that's currently marketing the Kelekang, the urine form of KLK1.

Speaker 3: speaking to several other pharmaceutical firms and related, and based upon that, he got some pretty clear feedback on some of these changes we've made, like this posterior strokes. We'd be better targeting the moderates, patients, so really leveraging the...

Speaking to several other pharmaceutical firms and related and based upon that he got some pretty clear feedback on some of these some of these changes we've made like this poster you'll strokes, we'd be better targeting the moderates.

Patients so really leveraging the feedback really in China in terms of what patients that we believe will be better responders and then also having.

Speaker 3: really in China in terms of what patients that we believe will be better responders.

Speaker 3: And then also having Jordan Dubar, our interim chief medical officer joining.

Jordan Dubai, our interim Chief Medical officer, joining taking another close looking at the protocol.

Speaker 3: taking another close look at the protocol, getting some additional feedback here from the initial sites that we reached out to. So after coming off clinical hold, we reached out to numerous sites and there was a number of feedbacks to the protocol that could be done just to simplify it and reducing some of the steps that were perceived as complicated.

Getting some additional feedback here from the initial sites that we reached out too so after come.

Coming off clinical holds.

We reached out to numerous sites and there is a number of feedbacks to the protocol that we could be that could be done just to simplify it and reducing some of the steps that were perceived as complicated.

Speaker 3: uh... and and the point here it now it's it's a it's very important here that we make this protocol as simple as possible for the

And the point here right now it's very important here that we make this protocol as simple as possible for the sites. So that they don't looking at this protocol and feel that it was over complicated. So although this is taking a small delay.

Speaker 3: so that they don't looking at this protocol and feel that it was over complicated. So although this is taking a small delay here, I'd call it, but really very minor in terms of the big picture. So we see this as that if we can increase the efficacy at the interim analysis by a few percentage than the previous protocol, that could really make the difference in not having to go to a larger total sample size. So ultimately, we feel this should...

Delay here I'd call it but.

But really very minor in terms of the big picture. So we see this as that if we can increase the efficacy at the interim analysis by a few percentage than the previous protocol that could really make the difference and not having to go to a larger total sample size. So ultimately we feel that should.

Speaker 3: reduce the total number of patients, the time and the cost for the trial. All right, that makes sense.

Reduce the total number of patients the time and the cost of a trial.

Alright that makes sense I appreciate the update thank you.

Yes, Thanks, Alex.

Speaker 2: We have a question from Francois Brisbane of Oppenheimer.

We have a question from Francois <unk> from Oppenheimer.

Your line is open.

Speaker 7: All right, thanks for taking questions. So, just a couple here. In terms of the moderate severity, can you help us understand, you know, I guess you talked about the prevalence, but mechanistically, is there a rationale for this to make more sense here? And how do we, you know, how do we get to feel comfortable that this won't, you know, having patients that are only moderately severe, is it easy to gauge who's moderate? And how do we feel comfortable that that won't make enrollment quite a bit harder?

Hi, Thanks for taking questions. So just a couple here in terms of the moderate severity can you help us understand.

I guess, you talked about the prevalence, but mechanistically as their rationale for this to make more sense here and how do we how do we get to feel comfortable that this won't having patients that are only moderately severe is it easy to gauge whose moderate and how do we feel comfortable that that won't make enrollment quite a bit higher.

Thank you.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so thanks, Frank. So the premise here is if you take a stroke patient that's come in, and so first off, it's very clear. So the severity is scored by the NIHSS. So if the score is 5 to 15, that is a clear, moderate severity stroke patient.

Yeah. So thanks, Brett so the premise here is if you take a stroke patient that's come in and so first off it's very clear. So the severity has scored by the NIH SS. So if the score is five to 15.

That is a clear moderate severity stroke patients and so when you take a step back and when you look at this if a patient has a moderate to severe so above 15 and the.

Speaker 3: And so when we take a step back and we look at this, if a patient has a moderate to severe, so above 15.

Speaker 3: the likelihood of that patient getting to a full recovery, an excellent outcome, is not very high. And so as we take a step back and we look at this, and as I mentioned on the prepared remarks from our Phase 2 trial, we didn't have a single patient on DM-19 who came in with a baseline above 15 that got to an excellent outcome. So I think what this does is just biases the opportunity here for a higher effect.

The likelihood of that patient getting to a full recovery and excellent outcome is not very high and so as we take a step back and we look at this and as I mentioned on the prepared remarks from our phase two trial, we didnt have a single patient on DM money nine who came in with a baseline above 15, they've got to.

And excellent outcome.

I think what this does is just biases the the opportunity here for higher effect.

Speaker 3: And as we're looking at our phase two data further, it's really in those patients that are, frankly, that were in the six to the 10.

And as we're looking at our phase two data further it's really in those patients that are frankly that were in the six to the 10.

Speaker 3: that we saw the greatest impact in getting to a full recovery compared to placebo. So we think these changes will ultimately show a greater effect.

We saw the greatest impact and getting to a full recovery compared to placebo. So we think these changes will ultimately show a greater effect and then Furthermore, when we take a looking at the clinical use of the Cal King in China.

Speaker 3: And then furthermore, when we take a looking at the clinical use of the calcane in China.

Speaker 3: Most of those trials are targeting a less severe, so targeting more of a moderate severity stroke scale.

Most of those trials are targeting a less severe so targeting more of a moderate severity stroke stroke scale.

Speaker 7: Okay, thanks and then lastly, can you help us understand the potential outcomes of this lawsuit that's coming up here?

Okay. Thanks, and then lastly can you help us understand the potential outcomes of this lawsuit that's coming up here. Thank you.

Speaker 4: Oh, sure, Frank. The hopefully the outcome is that we get access to our data. We get access to the study site. We're able to finally audit that study and confirm what the actual results were.

Oh sure Frank.

The the hopefully the.

The outcome.

Is that.

We get access to our data we get access to the study site, we're able to finally audit that study and confirm what the actual results were.

Speaker 4: First and foremost, we really, really would like to get a final study report that's accurate and fileable.

First and foremost, we've really really we'd like to get a final study report, that's that's accurate and file level.

Speaker 4: Beyond that, we're going to ask, we're asking for damages, you know, the, that last proof of concept study that we believe was messed up, you know, would cost six or seven million dollars to re-perform today. So we're asking for that. We're asking for

Beyond that we're going to ask we're asking for damages.

No.

The last proof of concept study that we believe was messed up.

Cost six or $7 million to re perform today, so we're asking for that.

We are asking for.

Speaker 4: some damages related to a license, an opportunity that Diametica had at the time that was basically undermined by the errant reporting from PRA, and taking a chance on lost value of the company as well.

Some damages related to a license that an opportunity that diabetic ahead at the time that.

It was basically undermined by the the.

Eric reporting from PRA.

And.

Taking a chance on lost value of the company as well so all in we're asking for as much as $75 million in damages and we'll see how much we can get through the courts process again provided that.

Speaker 4: So all in, you know, we're asking for as much as $75 million in damages.

Speaker 4: and we'll see how much we can get through the court's process again, provided that they reaffirm their judgment from April that...

Reaffirm their judgment from April that.

Speaker 4: that Diamedica is the owner and that PRA has breached the agreement. Does that answer your question, Frank? Yes, I'll say thank you.

The diabetic eye is the owner and the PRA as is breached the agreement.

Does that answer your question Frank.

Yeah, Okay. Thank you.

Okay.

Alright, Thanks Frank.

Seeing no further questions I'll turn the call back over to our hosts.

Speaker 3: Thanks, Paul. So, the refinements that we discussed today in the inclusion criteria are intended to enhance Remedy-2's probability of success on the primary endpoint, which also has the potential to reduce the total number of participants required to be enrolled in the Remedy-2 trial without significantly impacting the estimated enrollment rate.

Alright, Thanks, Paul So the requirements are that we discussed today and the inclusion criteria and are intended to enhance remedied two's probability of success on the primary endpoint, which also has the potential to reduce the total number of participants required to be enrolled and remedy to trial without significantly impacting the estimates estimated enrollment.

Speaker 3: We'd like to thank everyone for joining us this morning and for your continued support. We are thrilled to be reengaged with clinical study sites and hope to be enrolling participants soon. This concludes our call.

Rates, we'd like to thank everyone for joining us this morning and for your continued support we are thrilled to be re engaged with clinical study sites and hope to be enrolling participants soon this concludes our call.

Speaker 2: meeting has now concluded. Thank you for

The meeting has now concluded thank you for joining and have a pleasant day.

Speaker 8: The host has ended this call. Goodbye.

The host has ended this call goodbye.