Q3 2023 NIO Inc Earnings Call
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Hello, Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by for you know incorporated third quarter 2023 earnings Conference call.
At this time, all participants are in listen only mode.
This conference calls being recorded I will now turn the call over to your host Mr. H Hun head of Investor Relations of the company. Please go ahead Ray.
Good morning, and good evening, everyone welcome to Neil's third quarter 2023 earnings Conference call.
Company's financial and operating results were published in the press release earlier today and are posted on the company's IR website.
Today's call we have Mr. William Li founder Chairman and CEO, Mr. David Stone, our CFO and Danny Chu.
Senior VP of finance.
Before we continue please be kindly remind you that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the safe Harbor provisions of the U S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 995.
Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties as such the company's actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today.
Further information regarding risks and uncertainties is included in certain filings of the company with the U S Securities and Exchange Commission.
Exchange of Hong Kong Limited and the Singapore Exchange Securities Trading limited the company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements, except as required under applicable law.
Please also note that Neil's earnings press release, and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non-GAAP financial measures.
Please refer to <unk> press release, which contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures.
With that I will now turn the call over to our CEO Mr. William Li.
Please go ahead.
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Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining news 2023 Q3 earnings call.
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In the third quarter of 2023, I'm, making the most of a complete product lineup on the NTT platform the improvement of overall sales capacity and capability as well as the continuous expansion of self service and the power networks.
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In September new launched under delivered on your East Essex, Amy decides coupe SUV upgrade that to the second generation. It also marked the completion of newest product lineup on the empty 2.0 platform.
In Q4 as twice where it depends on the competition gets tighter for smart Ev's nil delivered a total of 32033 vehicles in October and November 32, 2% from last year, while maintaining our prices stable in.
In Q4, the total deliveries are expected to be between 47214 myself.
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Going forward, we will stay focused on exactly or T cell strategies and improving operational efficiency. We believe the competitiveness of Nielsen's second generation products well before that unleashed next ear tayo.
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In terms of new financial performance attributed to the increase the south mix for higher priced models decreased the parts costs and improve the economies of scale enabled by more deliveries combined with a refined management of south policies. The vehicle margin in the third quarter reached 11%.
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On September 21st Neil held near in Nielsen Innovation and Technology day.
The events news talk full stack technology capabilities, covering the holistic business scenarios with smart Ete's Brooks on multiple brands and platforms were introduced to the public for the first time.
In the meantime, also unveiled China's first vehicle operating system Sky Alas under the in house developed Lidar S. O C named Yount, yet demonstrating Neil sufficient magic R&D capabilities, beating the industry. So don't ask me if I'm yet so as you can see it on them quite sold yet.
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Regarding our assistant and intelligence driving Neil has been quickly integrating the system capabilities on November 15th power swap pilot for highway Beta was released in China. So far 29 power swap stations I'm highways already support this feature P. S. P seamlessly combines.
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In the meantime, you'll have thrown out the N O P plus four urban traffic, providing users with uninterrupted driving experience from point a to point b, both on highways and on city streets.
Enabled by Neils generalization capability in house and are taking into consideration the high demand the votes on your wish list. When it started to go out and look at plus four cities route by route from November and will gradually real life wider coverage.
At present that then I'll keep glass has been released too early bird users in several major cities and is quickly becoming available for more routes and in more cities, which has far surpassed the target announced at new in an.
And our upcoming communications event, we will be sharing more information about that.
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In terms of the sales and service network. So far we have 406 to eight new house, new space and the pop up stores and 152 cities as well as Hunter and a 14 service centers and 62 delivery centers into Hunter and 17 cities.
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As for the charging and the swapping network to date, we have installed 2226 power swap stations over 9004 hundred power Chargers and over 11000 destination Carter's worldwide more than 1.46 million public charters have been connected with neil's charging that.
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Neil Sloane tested and well proven battery swapping system has offered over 32 million convenient efficient and safe battery swaps to new users, making power swap the most trusted charging solution for them.
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Battery swap network R&D of battery swapping vehicles, and the management of battery assets. So as to provide the holistic chargeable swappable and upgradable solution to more smart EV users and jointly contribute to the development and the wider adoption of battery swap when a young who you do some quick near term.
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No day newest Grand annual government gatherings with users will be held on December 23rd NCR Shanxi Province.
Year, we will unveil a brand new flagship model a real EPA domain of news innovative technologies. This product will become a technology benchmark for smart Tvs and a trendsetter after smart technologies worldwide to ask a little well options yet Tim on sheets funded unfunded and tissue go 10 did hung.
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On September 26, with contributions to shaping a low carbon industry, whereas innovative EV battery swapping Neil received the innovation Award after 2023 person price for sustainability. This award is a vaccination of the novelty and expand abilities as well as the economic and.
Environmental benefits of news by battery swapping technology and business model.
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The 2023, New Cup Formula in China, a racing car design competition for college students was held from November eight to November 12th in close say Neil has been sponsoring and supporting the competition since 2015, so far from the listed in China has cultivated more than 40000 gamba.
Fashion for China's automotive industry, becoming one of the most important cradles of young automotive talent in China.
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The next two years, we will see the most intense competition during the transformation of the automotive industry faced whereas massive uncertainty in the external environment recently, we have sorted through and adjusted our key objectives.
Alrighty and action plans to become more focused on efficient execution and improvement of system capabilities, while ensuring long term investment in core technologies strong sales and service capabilities to navigate the intense market competition and on time release of the nine core products from the fed.
Our brands, we will continuously optimize internal working processes and the division of roles and responsibilities stay focused on projects that can contribute to the company's financial performance and comprehensively improve organizational efficiency and resource utilization. We are very confident of neil's long term competitiveness.
And the smart EV industry. Thank you.
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As always thank you for your support with that I will now turn the call over to Steven to provide the financial details for the third quarter over to you Steven.
William I will now go over our key financial results for the third quarter, often to Missouri and to be mindful of the length of this call I will reference to RMB only in MA is cashing today.
Encourage listeners to refer to our earnings press release, which is posted online for additional details.
Our total revenues in the third quarter were $19 1 billion RMB represent an increase of 46.6% year over year, an increase of 117, 4% quarter over quarter.
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Vehicle sales in the third quarter were $7 4 billion RMB represent an increase of 45, 9% of yoga, a year and a 142, 3% quarter over quarter.
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A year and quarter over quarter was muni attributable to higher vehicle deliveries.
Other sales in the third quarter were one 7 billion RMB, representing an increase of 55% year over year, an increase of four 5% quarter over quarter.
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Now this concludes our prepared remarks.
I will now turn the call over to the operator to our Q&A session.
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Our first question comes from Tim Zhong with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much for taking my questions.
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Could you share of left them more about your plans of how to structure, the new alliance of battery swapping and the potential financial impact like your Capex and operating loss.
In the long term will you consider to spin off the battery swap in business and I appreciate it.
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Thank you team for your question, Yes, recently, we have announced that the cooperation agreements with both China and the television on the battery swapping and in terms of the battery swap network. The way we look at it it's a bit similar to the cloud service, where the cloud infrastructure, both power swap stations and cloud infrastructure.
Required and rely on the network effect, both can have a pretty long investment cycles and both are actually started with the internal services first and off transformation sufficient validation and verifying the demands and the fulfillment for our users needs. We will then open up the service to the public so after five years.
Yourself, a validation and internal services, we believe that we are ready to provide such network and our service to the industry and its about time to open up the network to the industry.
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And as we all know that there are quite a lot benefit whereas power swap it is faster than charging and also it has better user experience. It also brings values and the benefits to users and also the society, especially in China, many users living in urban environments, where a compound.
On apartments do not have a home chargers installed and in fact actually more than 50% of our users cannot install a charge offs at home in this case battery swap it becomes even more important in a convenient for those users do not have an home Chargers.
This is also very important for the mass market brands, because new is after all a premium brand and many of our users cost you have a charter at home, but for the mass market brands the percentage us not being able to having the home Chargers will be higher that's why when we started to share our battery design standards and also specifications for the <unk>.
Mass market brands to the industry peers. Many of them are very interested in this alliance we have already announced the two agreements and there are several more that are still in negotiation as they also believe that with newest current battery swap technologies service standards and also service network. This is what they need for their product.
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And also in terms of the business model for the power swap we believe that it is sustainable both from the business perspective, as well as from a finance perspective, especially after five years of operations and validation we have confidence in the sustainability of outerwear swap in terms of our bachelors.
Swapped network as we will continue to expand our power swaps network. It won't be a capex also relevant to such network development, but you know I mean.
We are also looking for approaches where we may introduce partners into our Powersoft network.
Basically they will buy the battery swap station as a product from US and then they will install the stations and hand it over to us for the operations. In this case they will be holding this battery assets for US there are a thousand of such stations already running based on this business model. So for the longer term, we will also be looking for.
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In terms of the neuro powered charging service itself is already almost breaking even as you may know that 80% of our power was charged for the now new users. So for the longer term, our new power charging will also be a profitable business actually in certain areas and web search and charging stations are the operational stage.
With certain swap stations are the operations is already profitable.
This is also in terms of spinning off the power swap stations. There are some investors showing their interest into having power swap or power swap the business as a independent business. We are also in conversation with them yes.
Okay. Thanks team.
Next question.
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Sure. Thank you. Thank you Elena for sharing with you details. So my next question is about.
The card manufacturing because.
And so you just mentioned new announced you acquired a production facility from JC.
First does that mean, new has been granted the manufacturing license.
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Neutral how should we think about the unit cost.
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You still think that the full stack in house development production and direct vehicle sales readout would rely on dealers.
It would be the most ideal model for both new and Alpha.
Mass market brand or if there will be any major difference. That's my second question. Thank you.
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In this round of organizational optimizations, we have identified several our principles.
Because over the years of development, we have some low efficiency positions and jobs and also some duplicated the roles and responsibilities in this case, we have identified this no efficiencies or redundancies in the organization, we've improved the processes of lower efficiencies and we've also eliminated jobs and positions that our duplex.
Weighted or are off low efficiencies and also in terms of the projects deferred or timing related basically we'll look at the projects and their financial contributions if they cannot screen any financial contribution in the coming straight years, we will be thinking about deferring them. We're terminating them I'm for example, if they cannot contribute to the <unk>.
Gross margin, where the P&L, they may need to be deferred or reconsidered.
A quick example is regarding the our in house manufacturing of our batteries, we've identified that in the coming three years, bringing battery production in house will not help us with the gross margin improvement in this case, we have decided to defer the plant we will still continue to do the in house R&D of anchor yourself battery materials.
In the battery packs, but we will outsource the manufacturing of the battery packs for better overall efficiency and performance. So far. This one is optimization, we've found a detailed and thorough review and adjustments and also made the necessary adjustments based on the needs of the business and the resources of the entire company, yes downward.
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As mentioned earlier today at the New day 2023, we're going to unveil a brand new flagship model and this car will be equipped with a lot of state of the art technologies that are leading the entire automotive industry and our second priority is the continuous development of our sales and service networks recently, we have entered.
Large sales teams. We have also increased the number of the point of itself. So that we can get ready for the more intense competition in the coming two years, because if we don't make such preparation we will not be navigating. The intense competition example is ads in October in Shanghai, Our south volume has outnumbered.
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Cities like fourth gear or fifth tier cities, we still have a long way to go we're in cities, where the EV infrastructure is not yet ready. We're also not performing that well established brands. In this case, we need to continue to develop ourselves and service networks.
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Our record gross appropriate margin 11 for Q3, and we are confident in achieving a higher margin in Q4 considering more.
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Our next question comes from Paul Gong with UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks, Thanks for taking my question. My first question is regarding your sales force sales team.
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For the company, so we need to be stay patient with this newly hired fallows as many of them just joined the company in September and October but in the meantime, we will also completing an improving our assessment and evaluation systems. Our training systems. We will also bring this follows more efficient tools. So that they can really make for you.
Our make full use of their self capacity and capability.
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Before we scale our operations and the business. There. That's why volume is not a priority for us in terms of our European business and in the coming one year, we will continue to be staying at this stage, we will make sure that our capability and capacity are sufficient to serve our users in Europe before we start to work on.
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Our next question comes from Jason gets away from the senior Securities USA. Please go ahead.
Thanks for letting me ask a question you talked a couple of months back about 20000 vehicles a month in December and we're running a little bit below that now.
What are the biggest headwinds there has been some production challenges maybe broader macro weakness and then what would it take to get to that 20000 units and how should we think about the run rate moving through 2024 with the new sales force.
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In mass market users because for the mass market users buying a car of a 100000 or 200000 RMB they pace attention they pay attention to the ownership cost and also the usage of the product, but for the users of premium electric vehicles, they pay more attention to other factors and the second reason.
That may be affecting the wider adoption of our premium CEB is reporting the coverage of infrastructure as I've also shared in the Yangtze River Delta area, mainly Shanghai, Jiangsu and Georgia, we have a pretty significant market share. Our software has outnumbered that of BMW Audi and.
Most cities, where there I say herself.
A very important and the reason behind is because we have 700 power swap stations already established in this area. So infrastructure is also playing a very important role in boosting the south volume and the adoption of electric vehicles. So far in China, we have already installed over to southern power swap stations.
But roughly 700 of them are along the highways in some regions and areas. Our power swap stations are still not widely accessible in this case, we will need to also speed up and enhance our infrastructure of coverage. So that we can further boosted the wider adoption of electric vehicles.
Two main reasons. The first is regarding the consumption habits of the premium vehicle users and the second is mainly because of the coverage of the infrastructures for electric vehicles.
But we believe that this trend.
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I say users of buying Evs, where this overall trend is transforming into battery electric vehicles will be picking up at speed. Because we also find that some of our peers and competitors before they only have hybrid vehicles, where a range extended vehicles, but now they're also launching their battery electric vehicles such strategy will all.
So push the transformation of the entire industry. So we're actually happy to see such a transformation and also many car companies are now.
Also installing and expanding their charging network and new is working on our part with swap network with wider.
Infrastructure, we will also boost the adoption of the battery electric vehicles. So overall speaking, we believe that 2024 will be better off than that in 2023, because in 2024, we will also be having a more stable product portfolio. We are also frequently product launch and delivery, which has also slightly east Harbin.
Our overall execution.
Got it thanks and then.
Quick follow up on the battery swap partnership side.
Is there any kind of design changes that your partners are they have to do to their vehicles in order for them to use the swap stations and if so.
Have you guys talked about you know what percent of mix of vehicles they produce.
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It takes some time for them to decide on the right models and the company to the product R&D, but the overall investments and R&D expenses for developing such new models based on our batteries batteries won't be very high.
Got it thank you.
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There are no further questions now I'd like to turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks.
Thank you again for joining us today. If you have further questions. Please feel free to contact meals investor relations team through the contact information provided on our website. This concludes today's conference call. You May now disconnect. Your line. Thank you.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by for Yale incorporated third quarter 2023 earnings Conference call.
At this time, all participants are in listen only mode.
This conference call is being recorded I will now turn the call over to your host Mr. Chen head of Investor Relations for <unk>.
Please go ahead ray.
Good morning, and good evening, everyone welcome to Neil's third quarter 2023 earnings Conference call.
Company's financial and operating results were published in the press release earlier today and are posted on the company's IR website.
Today's call we have Mr. William Li founder Chairman and CEO, Mr. David <unk>, our CFO and Danny Chu.
Senior VP of finance.
Before we continue please be kindly remind you that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the safe Harbor provisions of the U S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 995.
Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties as such the company's actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today further information regarding risks and uncertainties is included in certain filings of the company with the U S Securities and exchange.
Commission the stock exchange of Hong Kong Limited and the Singapore Exchange Securities Trading limited now.
Company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements, except as required under applicable law.
Please also note that Nielsen earnings press release, and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non-GAAP financial measures.
Please refer to <unk> press release, which contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures with that I will now turn the call over to our CEO Mr. William Li Please.
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In the third quarter of 2023 by making the most of a complete product lineup on the <unk> platform the improvement of overall self capacity and capability as well as the continuous expansion of self service and power networks, Neil delivered a total of 55430.
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In September new launched under delivered the O'neill East Essex.
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It also marked the completion of newest product lineup on the anti 2.0 platform.
In Q4 as twice, where it deepens and the competition gets tighter for smart Abb's New delivered a total of 32033 vehicles in October and November up 32, 2% from last year, while maintaining our prices stable in.
In Q4, the total deliveries are expected to be between 47000 to 40 myself. It constantly trying to sell through affiliated physician, who we showed you that Houston will mean Samson.
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In terms of new financial performance attributed to the increased sales mix for higher priced models decreased the parts costs and improve the economies of scale enabled by more deliveries combined with a refined management of self policies. The vehicle margin in the third quarter reached 11%.
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On September 21st New health, New in Nielsen innovation and technology day.
The event <unk> full stack technology capabilities, covering the holistic business scenarios with smart Ete's broke from multiple brands and platforms were introduced to the public for the first time in.
In the meantime, also unveiled China first vehicle operating system Sky <unk> under the in house developed light our SLC named Youns, yet demonstrating neil's systematic R&D capabilities, leading the industry. So don't trust with them yet.
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Regarding our assisted and intelligence driving Neil has been quickly integrating the system capabilities on November 15th power swap pilot for highway Beta was released in China. So far 29 power swap stations on highways already support this feature.
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In the meantime, you have thrown out the MLP plus four urban traffic, providing users with uninterrupted driving experience from point a to point b, both on highways and our city streets.
Enabled by Neils generalization capability in house, and we're taking into consideration the high demand. The roads on users wish lists where it started to go out and they'll keep plus four cities you ought to be.
The routes from November and will gradually real life wider coverage.
At present that then I'll keep glass has been released too early bird users in several major cities and is quickly becoming available for more routes and in more cities, which has far surpassed the target announced at new in.
At our upcoming communications event, we will be sharing more information about that.
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In terms of the sales and service network. So far we have 406 to eight new house, new space and the pop up stores in 152 cities as well as Hunter and a 14th service centers and a 62 delivery centers and 217 cities.
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As for the charging and the swapping network to date, we have installed 2000 202006 power swap stations over 90004 hundred power charters and over 11000 destination Carter's worldwide more than a 146 million public charters have been connected with neil's charging map.
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<unk> tested and well proven battery swapping system has offered over 32 million convenient efficient and safe battery swaps to new users, making power swap the most trusted charging solution for them.
<unk> powered cloud and newest power swap that work has been opened to the entire industry in November new partners with China automobile and Geely holding respectively on battery swapping in the future Neil will join hands with more industry partners in such areas as formulation a swappable battery standards.
That was swapped network R&D of battery swapping vehicles, and the management of battery assets. So as to provide the holistic chargeable swappable and upgradable solution to more smart EV users and jointly contribute to the development and wider adoption of battery swap when a young who you do some quick near it.
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New day newest Grand annual government gatherings, where users will be held on December 23rd NCR Shanxi Province. This year, we will unveil a brand new flagship model a real EPA domain of newer innovative technologies. This product will become a technology benchmark for smart Tvs and.
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On September 26, we have contributions to shaping a low carbon industry with innovative EV battery swapping newer received the innovation award after 2023 person price for sustainability. This award is a reclamation of the novelty and expand abilities as well as the economic and <unk>.
Mental benefits of new spots that we're swapping technology and the business model.
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The 2023, New Cup Formula in China are racing car design competition for college students was held from November eight to November 12th incorporate Neil has been sponsoring and supporting the competition since 2015, so far from Alaska, and China has cultivated more than 40000 young prefer.
I should note for China's automotive industry, becoming one of the most important cradles of young automotive talent in China.
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The next two years, we will see the most intense competition during the transformation of the automotive industry faced with massive uncertainty in the external environment recently, we've sorted through and adjusted our key objectives.
Rfps and action plans to become more focused on efficient execution and improvement of system capabilities, while ensuring long term investment in core technologies strong sales and service capabilities to navigate the intense market competition and on time release of the nine core products from the third.
Brands, we will continuously optimize internal working processes and the division of gross and responsibilities stay focused on projects that can contribute to the company's financial performance and comprehensively improve organizational efficiency and resource utilization. We are very confident of neil's long term competitiveness.
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As always thank you for your support with that I will now turn the call over to Steven to provide the financial details for the third quarter over to you Steven.
William I will now go over our key financial results for the third quarter, often to Missouri and to be mindful of the length of this call I will reference RMB only in MA is cash today.
We encourage listeners to refer to our <unk> press release, which is posted online for additional details.
Our total revenues in the third quarter were $19 1 billion RMB represent an increase of 46, 6% year over year, an increase of 117, 4% quarter over quarter.
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Vehicle sales in the third quarter were $7 4 billion RMB represent an increase of 45, 9% of yoga, a year and a 142, 3% quarter over quarter.
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The year and quarter over quarter was muni are attributable to higher vehicle deliveries.
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I'll now turn the call over to the operator took precedent our Q&A session.
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Our first question comes from Tim <unk> with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much for taking my questions.
I actually have two parts of the question the first one.
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Batteries pumping from previous partner like Sinopec to Changan and Judy could.
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More about your plans of how to structure, the new alliance of battery swapping.
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Opex and operating loss.
In the long term will you consider to spin off the battery swap in business and operate.
Independently or even go public as a stand alone third party battery swapping or utility operator. So that's my first question.
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Thank you team for your question, Yes, recently, we have announced that the cooperation agreements with both China and the cave and the battery swapping and in terms of the battery swap network. The way we look at it it's a bit similar to the cloud service, where the cloud infrastructure, both power swap stations and cloud infrastructure.
Require and rely on the network effect, both can have a pretty long investment cycles and both are actually started with the internal service at first and after sufficient sufficient validation and verifying the demands and the fulfillment for our users needs. We will then open up the service to the public so after five.
Yourself, a validation and internal services, we believe that we are ready to provide such network and our service to the industry and its about time to open up the network to the industry.
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And as we all know that there are quite a lot of benefits where that power swap. It is faster than charging and also it has better user experience. It also brings values and the benefits to users and also the society, especially in China, many users living in urban environments, where a compound Anna.
<unk> does not have a home charter instead in fact actually more than 50% of our users cannot install a charters at home in this case battery swap it becomes even more important in a convenient for those users do not have an home Chargers.
This is also very important for the mass market brands because new is after all a premium brand and many of our users cast you have charters at home, but for the mass market brands the percentage of not being able to having the home Chargers will be higher that's why when we started to share our battery design standards and also specifications for.
The mass market brands to the industry peers. Many of them are very interested in this alliance we have already announced the two agreements and there are several more that are still in negotiation.
They also believe that with news current battery swap technologies service standards and also service network. This is what they need for their product as well as for their users tell them it sounds in.
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And also in terms of the business model for the power swap we believe that it's a so so it is sustainable both from the business perspective, as well as from the finance perspective, especially after five years of operations and validation we have confidence in the sustainability of that swap.
In terms of our battery swap network as we will continue to expand our power swap network. It won't be a capex also relevant to such network development, but in the meantime, we are also looking for approaches where we may introduce partners into our Powersoft network.
Basically they will buy the battery swap stations as a product from US and then they will install the stations and hand it over to us for the operations. In this case they will be holding this battery assets for US there are a thousand of such stations already running based on this business model. So for the longer term, we will also be looking for.
Our partners holding the battery swap station assets.
In terms of the neuro powered charging service itself is already almost breaking even as you may know that 80% of our power was charged for the now new users. So for the longer term, our new power charging will also be a profitable business actually in certain areas and web search and charging stations are the operational stage.
With certain swap stations are the operations is already profitable and this is also in terms of spinning off the power swap stations. There are some investors showing their interest into having power swap where power swap the business as a independent business. We are also in conversation with them.
Okay. Thanks team.
Next question.
Sure. Thank you. Thank you Ella for sharing all the details. So my next question is about.
The car manufacturing because.
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Do you think that the full stack in house development production and director Veeco sales readout, we rely on dealers will be the most ideal model for both new and Alpha.
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Or if there will be any major difference. That's my second question. Thank you.
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More details. Thank you thanks a lot.
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<unk> or our outflow efficiencies and also in terms of the projects deferred or timing related basically we'll look at the projects and their financial contributions if they cannot screen any financial contribution in the coming three years, we will be thinking about deferring them. We're terminating them I'm for example, if they cannot contribute to that.
Gross margin, where the P&L there may need to be deferred or reconsidered. A quick example is regarding the in house manufacturing of our batteries, we've identify that in the coming three years, bringing battery production in house will not help us with the gross margin improvement in this case, we have decided to defer the plan.
We will still continue to do that in house R&D of yourself battery materials and the battery packs, but we will outsource the manufacturing of the battery packs for better overall efficiency and performance. So far. This one is optimization with a detailed and thorough review and adjustments and also made unnecessary.
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I've mentioned earlier today at the New day 2023, we're going to unveil a brand new flagship model and this car will be equipped with a lot of state of the art technologies that are leading the entire automotive industry and our second priority is the continuous development of our sales and service networks, where suddenly we have in <unk>.
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Where the EV infrastructure is not yet ready. We're also not outperforming there was well established brands.
In this case, we needed to continue to develop ourselves and our service networks.
In terms of our soft performance in Georgetown, Jiangsu and Shanghai actually 50% of our sales volume is contributed by the seller in this three areas on the one hand it shows that our products are well recognized in the highly competitive markets and this replaces on the other hand. It also means that we needed to further enhance our.
Brand awareness in the lower tier cities and the third priority in the coming two years is to secure the on time release of our nine core products from the third bench, we have already made investments and the products of this great brands that will be coming into the market very quickly in the coming two years. Thank you Nick.
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On their EV models, the price reduction can be as high as 31%, but we still keep a pretty stable price Amit. There's fierce competition. This is also reflected the stable prices also are reflected in our improved <unk> margin. So our longer term strategy will be keeping our price stable.
While continuously improving our vehicle margin in the meantime, we will also include our self capacity capability and efficiency. So that we can bolster our sales volume, but this can take time and we will be staying patient we will not we will not realize where boost our resource volume after the cost of our product.
Margin as this is not healthy for the longer route maybe Stanley can also add more information regarding the specific financial numbers.
Our record gross profit margin for Q3, and we are confident in achieving a higher margin in Q4, considering more market.
Efficiency lower price of lithium carbonate and also decreased our part cost.
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As mentioned by William our newer brands keeps focus on premium market segment, and we will keep our product prices relatively stable.
So combine all those factors together, we believe our vehicle margin can be further increased to 15% to 18%.
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Our next question comes from you counting with HSBC. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Tim.
I got two question, maybe we wrote it one by one the first one is on the cash position, we noticed the cash balance increasing quarter on quarter other than the strategic investment and the convertible bonds, but there is also still a 1 billion increase does that coming from the improving operation can you shed a little bit more light on that.
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So if our sales can continue to grow we are confident.
We realized that our healthy operating cash flow. So that's for your first question yes.
Okay got it thank you.
The second question is on the OPEC reduction thanks for our Williams the sharing optimizing the battery business. We also read that there is also the head count cuts could you share more on whether there will be asset write offs. During the process of the cost optimization and when we would expect us to rich at link yes.
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Yeah, hi above the cost of my vision, yes, we reduced 10% of what compositions and complete the adjustment in November.
But for Q4, there will be almost no financial impact things, we need to pay additional compensation for employees, who left the company offset with less payroll costs are but a four for next year together with the headcount reductions.
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Our next question comes from Paul Gong with UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks, Thanks for taking my question. My first question is regarding your sales force sales team.
Last quarter saw earnings you mentioned that Youre going to secretive can increase your sales people.
Double check how you say soft in placebo or the small months.
Have you achieved.
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Have you adjusted your original plan.
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Sales force for the company, so we need to be stay patient with this newly hired fallows as many of them just joined the company in September and October but in the meantime, we will also completing and improving our assessment and evaluation systems. Our training systems. We will also bring this follows more efficient tools so that they can work.
Make full use of our make for use of their self capacity and capability.
Thanks. My second question is regarding the R&D spending I think last quarter, you have to drop off 300 million quarter over quarter decline on the on until your explanation.
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Our next question comes from Jason <unk> with Mizuho Securities USA. Please go ahead.
Thanks for letting me ask a question you talked a couple of months back about 20000 vehicles a month in December and we're running a little bit below that now.
What about the biggest headwinds there has been some production challenges maybe broader macro weakness and then what would it take to get to that 20000 units and how should we think about the run rate moving through 2024 with the new sales force.
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As we've mentioned earlier today in the premium battery electric vehicle segment, the price to over RMB 300000, New Haswell life's a 45% market share in the third quarter of this year actually our market share in this segment has been pretty stable around 40%.
So this has proven that we have a relatively solid foothold in the premium segment, we have a pretty significant also stable market share already established in the segment, but when it comes to convincing users premium I say your cost of buying a premium EV. It is actually a more difficult time coming thing.
In mass market users because for the mass market users buying a car of a 100000 or 200000 RMB. They pays attention they pay attention to the ownership cost and also the usage cost of the project, but for the users of premium electric vehicles, they pay more attention to other factors and the second reason.
That may be affecting the wider adoption of our premium VEB is reporting the coverage of infrastructure as I've also shared in the Yenisei River Delta areas, mainly Shanghai, Jiangsu and Georgia, we have a pretty significant market share. Our software has outnumbered that of BMW Audi and.
Most cities, where there I say car cells.
Very importantly, the reason behind is because we have several hundred power swap stations already established in this area. So infrastructure is also playing a very important role in boosting the south volume and the adoption of electric vehicles. So far in China, we have already installed over 2000 policy obligations, but.
Roughly 700 of them are along the highways in some regions and areas. Our power swap stations are still not widely accessible in this case, we will need to also speed up and enhance our infrastructure coverage. So that we can.
Further boosted the wider adoption of electric vehicles. So basically assuming reasons. The first is regarding the consumption habits of the premium vehicle users and the second is mainly because of the coverage of the infrastructures for electric vehicles.
But we believe that this trend can be.
Thing.
Users of buying Evs why this overall trend is transforming into battery electric vehicles will be picking up at speed. Because we also find that some of our peers and competitors before they only have hybrid vehicles, where a range extended vehicles, but now they're also launching their battery electric vehicles such strategy will also.
Push the transformation of the entire industry. So we are actually happy to see such a transformation and also on many car companies are now.
Also installing and expanding their charging network and new is working on our archway swap network with wider.
Infrastructure, we will also boost the adoption of the battery electric vehicles. So overall speaking, we believe that 2024 will be better off than that in 2023, because in 2024, we will also be having a more stable product portfolio without the frequent product launch and delivery, which has also slightly east Harbin.
Our overall execution.
Got it thanks and then.
Quick follow up on the battery swap partnership side.
Is there any kind of design changes that your partners would have to do to their vehicles in order for them to use the swap stations and if so.
Have you guys talked about you know what percent of mix of vehicles they produce.
I might need to be kind of changed or edited in the production process in order to do battery swapping.
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Actually we have shared the battery spikes and also designed to tell us off our battery packs for the mass market brands two hour battery swap partners and that they will need to to design and engineer their vehicle products I mean, the chassis interfaces following our battery standards.
It will take some time for them to decide on the right models and complete the product R&D, but the overall investment and R&D expenses for developing such new models based on our battery standards won't be very high.
Thank you.
Thank you.
There are no further questions now I'd like to turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. Thank you again for joining US today. If you have further questions. Please feel free to contact meals investor relations team through the contact information provided on our website. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your line.
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