Q4 2023 CDW Corp Earnings Call
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Jordan: Hello, and welcome to today's C. D. W fourth quarter 'twenty 'twenty free earnings call. My name is Jordan and I'll be coordinating your call today, if you'd like to register an audio question you may do so by pressing star followed by one on your telephone.
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Stephen O'Brien: We'd ask all participants to please limit themselves to one question with an additional follow-up. I'm now going to hand over to Stephen O'Brien of Investor Relations to begin. Stephen, please go ahead.
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Steven O'brien: Thank you Taylor good morning, everyone. Joining me today to review, our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results are Chris Leahy, Our chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Al morale, our Chief Financial Officer, our fourth quarter and full year earnings release was distributed this morning and is available on our web.
Stephen O'Brien: Thank you, Taylor. Good morning, everyone. Joining me today to review our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results is Chris Leahy, our Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Al Morales, our Chief Financial Officer. Our fourth quarter and full year earnings release was distributed this morning and is available on our website, investor.cdw.com, along with supplemental slides that you can use to follow along during the call. I'd like to remind you that certain comments made in this presentation are considered forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Those statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Additional information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the earnings release in Form 8K, filed with the SEC today, and in the company's other filings with the SEC. CDW assumes no obligation to update the information presented during this webcast.
Steven O'brien: Site Investor Dot CDW dot com, along with supplemental slides that you can use following along during the call I'd like to remind you that certain comments made in this presentation are considered forward looking statements under the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1095, those statements are subject to a number of risks and <unk>.
Steven O'brien: Uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially additional information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the earnings release and form 8-K, we furnished to the SEC today and in the Companys other filings with the SEC CDW assumes no obligation to update the information presented during this webcast.
Stephen O'Brien: Our presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures, including non-GAAP operating income, non-GAAP operating income margin, non-GAAP net income, and non-GAAP earnings per share. All non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules. You'll find reconciliation charts in the slides for today's webcast and in our earnings release in Form 8K. Please note all references to growth rates or dollar amount changes in our remarks today are versus the comparable period in 2022 unless otherwise indicated. Replay of this webcast will be posted to our website later today. I want to remind you that this conference call is the property of CDW and may not be recorded or rebroadcast without specific written permission from the company. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris. Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everyone.
Steven O'brien: Presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures, including non-GAAP operating income non-GAAP operating income margin non-GAAP net income and non-GAAP earnings per share all non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules, you'll find reconciliation charts.
Steven O'brien: In the slides for today's webcast and in our earnings release and form 8-K. Please note all references to growth rates or dollar amount changes in our remarks today are versus the comparable period in 2022, unless otherwise indicated replay of this webcast will be posted to our website later today I want to remind you that this.
Steven O'brien: Conference call is the property of CDW and May not be recorded or rebroadcast without specific written permission from the company with that let me turn the call over to Chris. Thank you Steve Good morning, everyone. I'll begin our call with an overview of our fourth quarter and full year performance and share some thoughts on our strategic progress and expectations for 2020.
Christine A. Leahy: I'll begin our call with an overview of our fourth quarter and full year performance and share some thoughts on our strategic progress and expectations for 2024. Then I will hand it over to Al, who will take you through a more detailed review of the financials, as well as our capital allocation strategy and outlook. We'll move quickly through our prepared remarks, as always, to ensure we have plenty of time for questions.
Christine A. Leahy: For that I will hand, it I'll hand, it over to Al who will take you through a more detailed review of the financials as well as our capital allocation strategy and outlook, we'll move quickly through our prepared remarks as always to ensure we have plenty of time for questions.
Christine A. Leahy: Fourth quarter net sales were $5 billion, 7.7% below 2022. However, strong growth and operating income margins mitigated the impact of top line performance on profits. And we delivered gross profit of $1.15 billion, 2% lower year over year, non-GAAP operating income of $519 million, 1% below prior year, and non-GAAP net income per share of $2.50, up 3% year over year. Our results reflect consistent, strong execution by the team, our financial rigor, and our ability to deliver solutions and services across the full life cycle, full stack. Results delivered under uneven commercial and international market conditions, which continue to drive cautious customer behavior. However, customer priorities remained laser-focused on operating efficiency and expense elasticity.
Al Morale: Fourth quarter net sales were $5 billion seven 7% below 2022 strong growth and operating income margins mitigated the impact of topline performance on profit and we delivered gross profit of $1, one $5 billion, 2% lower year over year non-GAAP operating income of five.
Al Morale: $519 million, 1% below prior year, and non-GAAP net income per share of $2 50 up 3% year over year.
Al Morale: Our results reflect consistent strong execution by the team our financial rigor in our ability to deliver solutions and services across the full lifecycle full stack.
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Al Morale: Customer priorities remained laser focused on operating efficiency and expense elasticity priorities increasingly met by as a service and consumption based solutions like cloud and SaaS as well as nascent ratable on premise solutions.
Christine A. Leahy: Priorities are increasingly met by as-a-service and consumption-based solutions like cloud and SaaS, as well as nascent, routable, on-premise solutions. The team's ability to pivot to address these priorities drove excellent performance across solutions, including categories that commonly net down on a revenue basis. The impact of this success, combined with ongoing softness in traditional hardware categories, resulted in further pressure on net sales. When this happens, we experience what we saw this quarter, meaningfully dampened net sales growth with very strong gross margins. This phenomenon was not unique to the fourth quarter.
Al Morale: The team's ability to pivot to address these priorities drove excellent performance across solutions, including categories that commonly net down on a revenue basis. The impact of this success combined with ongoing softness in traditional hardware categories resulted in further pressure on net sales when this happens we.
Al Morale: So what we saw this quarter meaningfully dampened net sales growth with very strong gross margins.
Al Morale: This phenomenon was not unique to the fourth quarter market dynamics drove hardware de prioritization and preference for solutions that net down throughout 2023, and our net sales of $21 billion were over 2 billion less in 2022.
Christine A. Leahy: Market dynamics drove hardware deprioritization and preference for solutions that netted down throughout 2023, and our net sales of $21 billion were over $2 billion less than 2022. Notwithstanding our muted top line, strong execution by the team underpinned by our full-stack, full-lifecycle, full-outcomes, go-to-market approach delivered flat non-GAAP operating income, a 1% increase in non-GAAP net income per share, and strong adjusted free cash flow of $1.4 billion, results driven by the strategic investments we have made over the past five years to increase the value we deliver to our customers. That is the power of our strategy when combined with our resilient business model. 2023 was the year that truly pressure tested our strategy.
Al Morale: Notwithstanding our muted top line strong execution by the team underpinned by our full stack full lifecycle full outcomes go to market approach delivered flat non-GAAP operating income a 1% increase in non-GAAP net income per share and strong adjusted free cash flow of one 4 billion outcomes driven.
Al Morale: By the strategic investments, we have made over the past five years to increase the value we deliver to our customers that is the power of our strategy when combined with our resilient business model 2023, with a year that truly pressure tested our strategy. The fourth quarter is an exemplary example of this in action.
Christine A. Leahy: The fourth quarter is an exemplary example of this in action. There were three main drivers of results: our balanced portfolio of customer end markets, breadth of our product solutions and services portfolio, and relentless execution of our three-part strategy for growth. First, the balanced portfolio of our diverse customer end markets. As you know, we have five U.S. sales channels: corporate, small business, health care, government, and education. Each channel is a meaningful billion-dollar-plus business on its own. Within each channel, teams are further segmented to focus on customer end markets, including geographies and verticals.
Al Morale: There were three main drivers of results our balanced portfolio of customer end markets breadth of our product solutions and services portfolio and relentless execution of our three part strategy for growth.
Al Morale: First our balanced portfolio of our diverse customer end markets. As you know we have five U S sales channels corporate small business healthcare government and education. Each channel is a meaningfully is a meaningful billion dollar plus business on its own within each channel teams are further segmented to focus on customer end markets include.
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Christine A. Leahy: We also have our U.K. and Canadian operations, which together delivered sales of $2.6 billion U.S. often. However, this quarter, all but one customer end market experienced a decline in net sales. The profit story was very different, with gross margin increasing across all customer end markets. Let's take a look at the puts and takes of how each end market performed in the quarter. Corporate net sales decreased by 8%.
Al Morale: We also have our UK and Canadian operations, which together delivered sales of $2 6 billion U S dollars.
Al Morale: Often our customer end markets performed differently, given macroeconomic or industry specific headwinds or tailwind this quarter, all but one customer end market experienced a decline in net sales. The profit story was very different with gross margin increasing across all customer end markets, let's take a look at.
Al Morale: The puts and takes of how each end market performed in the quarter.
Al Morale: Corporate net sales decreased 8% topline performance continued to reflect the impact of both netted netting down and hardware pressure momentum remained for projects focused on increasing productivity as well as projects focused on enhanced customer and co worker experiences.
Christine A. Leahy: Top line performance continued to reflect the impact of both netting down and hardware pressure. However, momentum remained for projects focused on increasing productivity as well as projects focused on enhanced customer and coworker experiences. The team's ability to meet customer demand for these priorities with as-a-service and routable solutions drove strong cloud performance. Year-over-year device declines moderated down to mid-single digits compared to the double-digit declines of the first three quarters. For Netcom, while network modernization stayed a top priority, customers focused on digesting investments made over the past few years, leading to a long-expected backlog normalization, and sales declined year over year. Small business net sales declined 13%.
Al Morale: The team's ability to meet customer demand for these priorities with as a service and radical solutions drove strong cloud performance.
Al Morale: Year over year client device declines moderated down mid single digits compared to the double digit declines of the first three quarters.
Al Morale: For Netcom, while network modernization state of top priority customers focused on digesting investments made over the past few years, leading to a long expected backlog normalization and sales declined year over year.
Al Morale: Small business net sales declined 13% market conditions were consistent with the first three quarters of the year and customer behavior remained cautious priorities remain squarely focused on cost management and projects that need to get done once again projects that were more wants the needs remain paused.
Christine A. Leahy: Market conditions were consistent with the first three quarters of the year, and customer behavior remained cautious. Priorities remained squarely focused on cost management and projects that needed to get done. Once again, projects that were more wants than needs remained paused.
Christine A. Leahy: Customer demand for projects with shorter-term return on investment drove excellent performance in the cloud and in total security. Security remained a top priority, and the team delivered strong performance across our broad portfolio of hardware, software, and services security offerings. Similar to corporate, small business client device declines moderated in the quarter, down high single digits compared to the prior three quarters' double-digit decline. Public sales decreased 4% year-over-year as the government's mid-single-digit net sales increase was more than offset by declines across our other public-end markets.
Al Morale: Customer demand for projects with shorter term return on investment drove excellent performance in cloud and in total security.
Al Morale: Total software excuse me security remains a top priority and the team delivered strong performance across our broad portfolio of hardware software and services security offerings.
Al Morale: Similar to corporate small business client device declines moderated in the quarter down high single digits compared to the prior three quarters double digit decline.
Al Morale: Public sales decreased 4% year over year as governments mid single digit net sales increase was more than offset by declines across our other public end markets.
Christine A. Leahy: The federal team delivered a double-digit net sales increase as they continued their success helping agencies implement more efficient solutions to manage and protect data. This drove excellent Netcom performance up strong double digits. The team continued its efforts to help agencies optimize their existing cloud environments as well as deliver new cloud solutions. The state and local team delivered a mid-single-digit increase.
Al Morale: The federal team delivered a double digit net sales increase as they continued their success, helping agencies implement more efficient solutions to manage and protect data. This drove excellent net comp performance up strong double digits. The team continued its efforts to help agencies optimize their existing cloud environments as well as deliver new cloud solutions.
Al Morale: The state and local team delivered a mid single digit increase the team's success, enabling cloud based solutions, especially with budget constraints.
Christine A. Leahy: The team's success enabling cloud-based solutions, especially with budget-constrained cities, delivered a triple-digit increase in cloud performance. For the second quarter in a row, the team delivered sales growth in client devices. However, healthcare net sales decreased by 5%.
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Al Morale: Healthcare net sales decreased by 5% augmenting talent needs modernizing data centers driving cost savings and efficiency projects all remain focused areas for our customers.
Christine A. Leahy: Augmenting talent needs, modernizing data centers, driving cost savings and efficiency projects all remain focus areas for our customers. The team drove a significant increase in cloud performance, growth driven by their success helping systems adopt deep cloud portfolio, which includes proprietary healthcare solutions. Our broad portfolio of solutions also contributed to security growth, as the team helped customers address heightened cybersecurity needs. However, education net sales decreased by 12%, with K-12 posting a mid-single-digit decline and higher ed down by mid-teens.
Al Morale: The team drove a significant increase in cloud performance growth driven by their success, helping systems adopt deep cloud portfolio, which includes proprietary health care solutions.
Al Morale: Our broad portfolio of solutions also contributed to security growth as the team helped customers address heightened cyber security needs are.
Al Morale: Education net sales decreased by 12% with K 12, posting a mid single digit decline in higher Ed down mid teens.
Christine A. Leahy: For K-12, the team continued its success, helping schools in their efforts to sustain the technology gains of the past several years. This delivered excellent growth in services and cloud, both posting double-digit gains. Gains that were offset by the combined impact of a double-digit decline in net-com and a low single-digit decline in client-device sales. However, the HIEAD team's success helping universities address business process transformation efforts contributed to double-digit growth in services and cloud. However, these encouraging trends were more than offset by declines in netcom this quarter. In addition, our combined UK and Canada business declined by 14%.
For K 12, the team continued their success, helping schools in their efforts to sustain technology gains of the past several years. This delivered excellent growth in services and cloud both posting double digit gains.
Al Morale: Gains that were offset by the combined impact of a double digit decline in netcom and low single digit decline in client device sales.
Al Morale: The high Ed team success, helping universities address business process transformation efforts contributed to double digit growth in services and cloud client devices showed stability.
Al Morale: These encouraging trends were more than offset by declines in netcom this quarter.
Al Morale: Other our combined UK and Canada business declined by 14%, while the teams continue to execute well market conditions were as expected and sales in both the UK and Canada decreased by double digits in local currency.
Christine A. Leahy: While the teams continued to execute well, market conditions were as expected, and sales in both the UK and Canada decreased by double digits in local currency. Once again, our diverse end markets contributed to our performance amid an uncertain and uneven environment. The second driver of performance was our broad and deep portfolio. Let's take a look at how each category performs. The market did not experience the stabilization in hardware we expected, and net sales of our hardware portfolio declined by high single digits.
Al Morale: Once again, our diverse end markets contributed to our performance amid an uncertain and uneven environment.
Al Morale: The second driver of performance with our broad and deep portfolio lets take a look at how each category performed.
Al Morale: The market did not experience the stabilization in hardware, we expected in net sales of our hardware portfolio declined by high single digits. This was this was primarily driven by double digit year over year declines in net com as the normalization of backlog adversely impacted year over year growth.
Christine A. Leahy: This was primarily driven by double-digit year-over-year declines in netcom, as the normalization of backlog adversely impacted year-over-year growth. However, client device performance improved sequentially with a low single-digit decline. Software customer spend increased by high single digits, but given the significant portion of the category that nets down, net sales declined. Strength was broad-based across software as we continue to help customers manage data, enhance productivity, and secure their IT environments. Growth was particularly strong across security, virtualization, and application suites. Cloud remained an important driver of performance across the business and was a meaningful contributor to gross profit. Customer spend increased across all end markets, with roughly half of spend coming from commercial customers.
Al Morale: Client device performance improved sequentially with a low single digit decline.
Al Morale: Software customer spend increased by high single digits, but given the significant portion of the category that nets down net sales declined strength was broad based across software as we continue to help customers manage data enhanced productivity and secure their it environment growth was particularly strong across security virtualized.
Al Morale: Nation and application suite.
Al Morale: Cloud remained an important driver of performance across the business and was a meaningful contributor to gross profit.
Al Morale: Customer spend increased across all end markets with roughly half of spend from commercial customers.
Christine A. Leahy: Infrastructure as a service productivity and security were the top three cloud workloads during the period. Security remains top of mind for our customers as cyber threats continue to emerge, evolve, and increase, and customer spend increased by low single digits. Our teams continue to conduct vulnerability assessments, implement identity and access management solutions, and provide training to our customers to help manage cloud deployments and enhance endpoint and application security. Services was a standout category this period, with double-digit increases in professional and managed services. Integral to today's complex technology solutions, customers continue to lean on CDW as an extension of their own teams and leverage our services capabilities as part of their strategy. Our portfolio performance leads to the third driver of our results this quarter, relentless execution of our growth strategy.
Al Morale: Infrastructure as a service productivity and security were the top three cloud workloads during the period.
Al Morale: Security remains top of mind for our customers as cyber threats continue to emerge evolve and increase and customer spend increased by low single digits.
Al Morale: Our teams continue to conduct vulnerability assessments implement identity and access management solutions and provide training to our customers to help manage cloud deployments and enhance endpoint in application security.
Al Morale: Services were the standout category this period with double digit increases in professional and managed services integral to today's complex technology solutions customers continue to lean into CDW as an extension of their own teams and leverage our services capabilities as part of their strategies.
Al Morale: Our portfolio performance leads to the third driver of our results this quarter relentless execution of our growth strategy.
Christine A. Leahy: Core to our growth strategy are our objectives to expand and enhance our solutions and services capabilities. Over the past five years, investments, both organic and non-organic, including 10 acquisitions, have bolstered our expertise and resources in these two key areas to support our full-stack, full-lifecycle, full-outcomes, go-to-market approach. Investments that have grown our capabilities in high-growth, complex areas like cloud migration and cybersecurity; that have enhanced capabilities like full-stack and cloud-native software development, DevOps engineering, robust consulting, and cloud-based workflow automation expertise and resources; and investments that have expanded our services footprint across the U.S. and Canada. As you can see, each investment we make is purposeful and delivers a specific capability that furthers our strategy, a strategy designed to ensure we evolve with the market and constantly fortify our leading position as trusted advisor to our customers and vendor partner of choice, evolving with capabilities that underpin our relevance and ensure we are there for our customers today and as new technologies come to market, new technologies like artificial intelligence. With its extremely short lifecycle, our customers are increasingly seeking opportunities to And while most customers are in the discovery phase, some are already adopting AI with our help. Here's a great example.
Al Morale: Core to our growth strategy or our objective to expand and enhance our solutions and services capabilities over the past five years investments, both organic and nonorganic, including 10 acquisitions have bolstered our expertise and resources in these two key areas to support our full stack full lifecycle.
Outcomes go to market approach investments that have grown our capabilities in high growth complex areas like cloud migration and cyber security that have enhanced capabilities like full stack and cloud Native software development Dev ops engineering robust consulting and cloud based workflow automation expertise and reach.
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And investments that have expanded our services footprint across the U S and Canada.
Al Morale: As you can see each investment we made is purposeful and delivers a specific capability that furthers our strategy a strategy designed to ensure we evolve with the market and constantly fortify our leading position as trusted advisor to our customers and vendor partner of choice.
Al Morale: Evolving with capabilities that underpin our relevance and ensure we are there for our customers today and as new technologies come to market.
Al Morale: New technologies like artificial intelligence.
Al Morale: With its extremely short hype cycle, our customers are increasingly seeking opportunities to use AI to cheat to achieve their objectives and while most customers are in the discovery phase some are already adopting AI with our health.
Al Morale: Here's a great example, and industry, leading semiconductor and software design are needed training and development for a domain specific large language model to support a range of internal use cases, the data intensive and highly proprietary nature of the companys designs and intellectual property made the use of a hyperscale or LLS and cloud based <unk>.
Christine A. Leahy: An industry-leading semiconductor and software designer needed training and development for a domain-specific large language model to support a range of internal use cases. However, the data-intensive and highly proprietary nature of the company's designs and intellectual property made the use of a hyperscaler's LLM and cloud-based compute and storage resources less optimal. The CDW hybrid infrastructure team worked with the customer to build a custom platform that supports both training and inference workloads for generative AI. The team designed the underlying architecture, which included a best-in-class 16-node supercomputer with a high-performance parallel file system storage solution.
Al Morale: And storage resources less optimal.
Al Morale: The CDW hybrid infrastructure team worked with the customer to build a custom platform that that supports both training and inference workloads for generative AI.
Al Morale: The team designed the underlying architecture, which included a best in class 16 node supercomputer with a high performance parallel file system storage solution. The successful installation and customer handoff resulted in a multibillion dollar hardware and software engagement and services opportunity with both usage and use cases.
Christine A. Leahy: The successful installation and customer handover resulted in a multi-million dollar hardware and software engagement and services opportunity. With both usage and use cases growing quickly, the company has engaged CDW to support further expansion of their existing infrastructure and to evaluate new solutions. Clearly, investments in our customer-centric growth strategy have elevated our relevance to customers to the highest level it's ever been. Our focused and disciplined execution of our strategy continues to make us a vital technology partner, whether enabling customer priorities that require highly complex or transactional solutions. And that leads us to our 2024 outlook. The uneven market conditions we experienced throughout 2023 have persisted into 2024. Customer decisions remain deliberate and restrained with ongoing project scrutiny, the pursuit of short-term ROIs, and continued buying hesitancy, particularly around hardware.
Al Morale: Growing quickly the company has engaged CDW to support further expansion of their existing infrastructure and to evaluate new solutions.
Al Morale: Clearly investments and our customer centric growth strategy have elevated our relevance to customers to the highest level, it's ever been our focused and disciplined execution of our strategy continues to make us a vital technology partner, whether enabling customers customer priorities that require high complex or transactional solutions.
Al Morale: And that leads us to our 2020 for outlook.
Al Morale: The uneven market conditions, we experienced throughout 2023 have persisted into 2024 customer decisions remain deliberate and restrained with ongoing project scrutiny pursuit of short term rois and contingent continued buying hesitancy, particularly around hardware with this backdrop. We currently look.
Christine A. Leahy: With this backdrop, we currently look for the US IT market to grow by low single digits in 2024 on a customer spend basis, including the expectation of a slow start to the year. A view that incorporates the potential impact of some of our recent wild cards, including upcoming elections and geopolitical issues. For CDW, these conditions set up a year that thematically looks much like 2023, and our outlook assumes the growth of customer spend outpaces our net sales growth. Our customers face proliferating data and ever-expanding cybersecurity needs.
Al Morale: For the U S. It market to grow by low single digits in 2024 on a customer spend basis, including the expectation of a slow start to the year.
Al Morale: Our view that incorporates the potential impact of some of our recent wildcards, including upcoming elections and geopolitical issues.
Al Morale: For CDW. These conditions set up a year that dramatically look much like 2023, and our outlook assumes the growth of customer spend outpaces, our net sales growth.
Al Morale: Our customers face proliferating data an ever expanding cyber security needs. They faced expanding workloads in hardware <unk> and they face the potential and promise of exciting new technologies with our broad and deep portfolio of solutions and services. We are there for our customers today and tomorrow wherever their priorities lie.
Christine A. Leahy: They face expanding workloads and hardware obsolescence, and they face the potential and promise of exciting new technologies. With our broad and deep portfolio of solutions and services, we are there for our customers today and tomorrow, wherever their priorities lie. We are there for our customers as their trusted advisor to help them navigate increasingly complex technologies. Whether growth comes from consumption-based or as-a-service solutions or from hardware sales, we are well-positioned to continue our track record of profitably outpacing U.S. IT market growth by 200 to 300 basis points. As we always do, we will provide an updated perspective on business conditions and refine our view of the market as we move through the year. In the meantime, we'll continue to do what we do best, leverage our competitive advantages, and out-execute the competition. Now, I turn it over to Al, who will provide more detail on our financials and outlook. Alas,
Al Morale: We are therefore, our customers as their trusted adviser to help them navigate increasingly complex technologies, whether growth comes from consumption based or as a service solutions or from hardware sales. We are well positioned to continue our track record of profitably outpacing U S. It market growth by 200 to 300 basis points.
Al Morale: As we always do we will provide an update and updated perspective on business conditions and refine our view of the market as we move through the year in the meantime, we will continue to do what we do best leverage our competitive advantages and out execute the competition now let me turn it over to al who will provide more detail on our.
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al: Thank you, Chris. And good morning, everyone. I'll start my presentation with detail on fourth quarter performance, briefly touch on the full year 2023 results, move to capital allocation priorities, and then finish with our 2024 outlook. The team's strong execution in our financial discipline delivered very strong quarterly growth and operating margin and growth in our fourth quarter earnings for Sheerin and Diluti. We achieved these results on consolidated net sales of $5 billion, which were 7.7% below 2022 on a reported and average daily sales basis. The fourth quarter net sales performance reflected both our ongoing success in providing cloud and SaaS-based solutions that drove meaningful customer spend and profit and the continued impact of uneven marketing conditions that we experienced throughout 2023. On a sequential average daily sales basis, fourth quarter net sales decreased 10.8%.
Al Morale: Thank you, Chris and good morning, everyone I will start my prepared remarks with details on fourth quarter performance briefly touch on full year 2023 results move to capital allocation priorities and finish with our 2024 outlook the.
Al Morale: The team's strong execution and our financial discipline delivered very strong quarterly gross and operating margins and growth in our fourth quarter earnings per share on a diluted basis. We achieved these results on consolidated net sales of $5 billion.
Al Morale: Which for seven 7% below 2022 on a reported and average daily sales basis fourth quarter net sales performance reflected both our ongoing success, providing cloud and SaaS based solutions that drove meaningful customer spend and profits.
Al Morale: And the continued impact of uneven market conditions that we experienced throughout 2023.
Al Morale: On a sequential average daily sales basis fourth quarter net sales decreased 10, 8%, while historically fourth quarter net sales are lower than the third quarter. The sequential climb this quarter was more significant than we expected.
Al Morale: <unk> a lack of hardware spending recovery a continued mix shift into solutions that net down and generally softer economic conditions impacting our international end markets.
al: While historically, fourth-quarter net sales are lower than the third quarter, the sequential climb this quarter was more significant than we expected, reflecting a lack of hardware spending recovery, a continued mixed shift into solutions that net down, and generally softer economic conditions impacting our international end market. Fourth quarter gross profit was $1.2 billion, down 2.3% versus the prior year, with our gross margin increasing 130 basis points year-over-year and partially offsetting the impact of lower net sales volume. Gross margin of 23% was driven by one factor.
Al Morale: Fourth quarter gross profit was $1 2 billion down.
Al Morale: Down two 3% versus prior year with our gross margin, increasing 130 basis points year over year, and partially offsetting the impact of lower net sales volume.
Al Morale: Gross margin of 23% was driven by one factor a higher mix into netted down revenues, which while dampening net sales growth also enhanced gross profit margin.
Al Morale: And south pits SaaS based revenue streams once again outpaced overall net sales growth for the quarter. This category represented a high 35, 4% of our gross profit compared to 37% in the prior year fourth quarter and was also up from the third quarter was 32, 6% level.
al: A Higher Mix Into Netted Down Revenues, Which While Dampening Net Sales Growth, Also Enhances Gross Profit Markets. Cloud and SaaS-based revenue streams once again outpaced overall net sales growth. For the quarter, this category represented a high 35.4% of our gross profit compared to 30.7% in the prior year fourth quarter and was also up from the third quarter's 32.6% level. While we expect the mix of netted down revenues to be an important long-term durable trend within our business, it is important to recognize that this mix may fluctuate with customer priorities and product demand. Turning to expenses for the fourth quarter, non-GAAP SG&A totaled $635 million, down 3.5% year over year. Prudent and diligent management of discretionary expenses and our overall fixed cost base helped to hold the line on profitability amid the challenging IT spending environment. The coworker count at the end of the fourth quarter was approximately 15,100, up slightly from the third quarter and flat relative to year-end 2022.
Al Morale: While we expect the mix of netted down revenues to be an important long term durable trend within our business. It is important to recognize that this mix may fluctuate with customer priorities and product demand.
Al Morale: Turning to expenses for the fourth quarter, non-GAAP SG&A totaled $635 million down three 5% year over year prudent and diligent management of discretionary expenses and our overall fixed cost base helped to hold the line on profitability amid the challenging spending environment.
Al Morale: Coworker count at the end of the fourth quarter was approximately 15001 auditor up slightly from the third quarter and flat relative to year end 2022.
Al Morale: We continue to expand our solutions and services capabilities, while concurrently driving efficiency and cost leverage from our broader operations.
Al Morale: Following along on slide nine our flexible business model and financial discipline helped to deliver non-GAAP operating income of $519 million down <unk>, 8% versus the prior year. Despite a contraction on the top line.
Al Morale: non-GAAP operating income margin reached 10, 3% up 70 basis points from the prior year and up 40 basis points from last year's nine 9%.
al: We continue to expand our solutions and services capabilities while concurrently driving efficiency and cost leverage from our broader operations. As shown on slide 9, our flexible business model and financial discipline helped to deliver non-GAAP operating income of $519 million, down 0.8% versus the prior year, despite our contraction on the top line. Non-GAAP operating income margin reached 10.3 percent, up 70 basis points from the prior year and up 40 basis points from last year's 9.9 percent. As reflected on slide 10, our non-GAAP net income was $349 million in the quarter, up 1.7% on a year-over-year basis. With a fourth quarter weighted average diluted share of approximately $136 million, non-gap net income per diluted share was up 2.8% year over year.
Al Morale: As reflected on slide 10, our non-GAAP net income was $349 million in the quarter up one 7% on a year over year basis with fourth quarter weighted average diluted shares of approximately $136 million non-GAAP net income per diluted share was up two 8% year over year.
Al Morale: Year.
Al Morale: Shifting gears briefly and moving to slide 11 to review full year results, we experienced a persistently challenging environment in 2023 uncertainty for our customers cause reevaluation and optimism optimization of their tech spending, which combined with a marked shift in spending mix led to a full year decline.
Al Morale: On a net sales of 10% on both a reported and average daily sales basis.
Al Morale: Despite the topline decline gross profit was approximately flat down <unk>, 7% for the year.
Al Morale: This gross profit stability exemplifies the impact of our strategy over the last five years with both organic and inorganic investments underpinning the team's ability to pivot to our customers.
al: Shifting gears briefly and moving to slide 11 to review full-year results, we experienced a persistently challenging environment in 2023. Uncertainty for our customers caused a re-evaluation and optimization of their tech spending, which combined with a marked shift in spending mix led to a full year decline in our net sales of 10% on both the reported and average daily sales basis. Despite the top line decline, gross profit was approximately flat, down 0.7% for the year.
Al Morale: Where customers need us no matter the environment.
Al Morale: Enhanced gross margin combined with effective cost controls resulted in a full year non-GAAP operating income margin of nine 5% with non-GAAP operating profit dollars. Similarly down just <unk>, 6% year over year.
Al Morale: Moving down the P&L, our net interest expense was slightly below our full year expectations driven by higher interest income earned on our cash balances our tax rate was within our expected range.
Al Morale: As shown on slide 12, our non-GAAP net income was $1 $3 billion.
Al Morale: Up <unk>, 4% and non-GAAP net income per diluted share was $9 88.
al: This gross profit stability exemplifies the impact of our strategy over the last five years with both organic and inorganic investments, underpinning the team's ability to pivot to our customers where customers need us, no matter the environment. Enhanced gross margin, combined with effective cost controls, resulted in a full-year non-GAAP operating income margin of 9.5%, with non-GAAP operating profit dollars similarly down just 0.6% year-over-year Moving down the P&L, our net interest expense was slightly below our four-year expectations, driven by higher interest income earned on our cash balance.
Al Morale: 9% from the prior year.
Al Morale: Moving ahead to slide 13 at period end net debt was five 1 billion net.
Al Morale: Net debt declined by approximately $200 million from the third quarter, reflecting our increased cash position and modest debt repayment during the quarter.
Al Morale: Liquidity remains strong with cash plus revolver availability of approximately $1 8 billion.
Al Morale: Moving to slide 14, the three month average cash conversion cycle was 17 days down four days from the prior year and within our targeted range of high teens to low twenties.
Al Morale: Our cash conversion reflects our effective management of working capital, particularly with respect to our inventory levels.
Al Morale: As we have mentioned in the past timing and market dynamics can influence working capital in any given quarter or year. We continue to believe our target cash conversion range remains the best guidepost for modeling working capital longer term.
al: Our tax rate was within our expected... As shown on slide 12, our non-GAAP net income was $1.3 billion, up 0.4%, and non-GAAP net income per diluted share was $9.88, up 0.9% from the prior year. Moving ahead to slide 13, at period end, net debt was $5.1 billion. Net debt declined by approximately $200 million from the third quarter, reflecting our increased cash position and modest debt repayment during the quarter.
Al Morale: Strong profits and effective working capital management drove a record full year adjusted free cash flow of $1 4 billion.
Al Morale: On shown on slide 15, representing 106% of non-GAAP net income and well above our stated rule of thumb at six 7% of net sales.
Al Morale: For the quarter, we utilized cash consistent with our 2023 capital allocation objectives, including returning approximately $83 million to shareholders through dividends and $50 million in share repurchases for the full year. This translated to $322 million in dividends and $500 million in share repurchases.
al: Liquidity remains strong with cash plus revolver availability of approximately $1.8 billion. Moving to slide 14, the three-month average cash conversion cycle was 17 days, down four days from the prior year and within our targeted range of high teens to low 20s. Our cash conversion reflects our effective management of working capital, particularly with respect to our inventory. As we have mentioned in the past, timing and market dynamics can influence working capital in any given quarter or year. We continue to believe our target cash conversion range remains the best guideposts for modeling working capital over the longer term.
Al Morale: As a combined $822 million returned to shareholders or approximately 58% of adjusted free cash flow.
Al Morale: This was within our initial target range for the year and slightly below our updated range due to the stronger stronger than expected cash flow in the fourth quarter.
Al Morale: That brings me to our capital allocation priorities on slide 16.
Al Morale: Our first capital priority is to increase the dividend in line with non-GAAP net income.
Al Morale: Last November we announced a 5% increase of our dividend to $2 48 annually, our 10th consecutive year of increasing the dividend in.
al: Strong profits and effective working capital management drove a record full-year adjusted free cash flow of $1.4 billion, shown on slide 15, representing 106% of non-GAAP net income and well above our stated rule of thumb at 6.7% of net sales. For the quarter, we used cash consistent with our 2023 Capital Allocation Objective, including returning approximately $83 million to shareholders through dividends and $50 million in share repurchase. For the full year, this translates into $322 million in dividends and $500 million in share repurchase.
Al Morale: In 2024, and beyond we will continue to target a 25% target ratio growing the dividend in line with earnings or.
Al Morale: Our second priority is to ensure we have the right capital structure in place with targeted net leverage ratio. We ended 2023 at two four times down from two six times at the end of 2022 and within our targeted range of two to three times we.
Al Morale: We have rigorous processes in place to proactively manage liquidity, while maintaining flexibility Phi.
Al Morale: Finally, our third and fourth capital allocation priorities of M&A and share repurchases remain important drivers of shareholder value.
Al Morale: For 2024, we will target returning 50% to 75% of adjusted free cash flow to investors through dividends and share repurchases in lock step with this we've announced the board's authorization for $750 million increase to our share repurchase program.
al: A combined $822 million return to shareholders for approximately 58% of adjusted free cash. This was within our initial target range for the year and slightly below our updated range due to stronger than expected cash flow in the fourth quarter. That brings me to our capital allocation priorities on slide 16. Our first capital priority is to increase the dividend in line with non-GAAP net income. Last November, we announced a 5% increase in our dividend to $2.48 annually, our 10th consecutive year of increasing the dividend.
Al Morale: Combining our prior authorization with this new additional authorization. We currently have approximately $1 1 billion.
Al Morale: Although valid ability under our share repurchase program as we start 2024.
And that leads to our outlook on slide 17.
Al Morale: The uncertain market conditions, we operated under 2023 have persisted into early 2024 and customer sentiment remains cautious and prudent.
al: In 2024 and beyond, we will continue to target a 25% target ratio, growing the dividend in line with our. Our second priority is to ensure we have the right capital structure in place with a targeted net leverage ratio. We ended 2023 at 2.4 times, down from 2.6 times at the end of 2022 and within our targeted range of 2 to 3 times. We have rigorous processes in place to proactively manage liquidity while maintaining flexibility. Finally, our third and fourth capital allocation priorities of M&A and insured purchases remain important drivers of shareholder value. For 2024, we will target returning 50 to 75% of adjusted free cash flow to investors through dividends and share repurchase. In lockstep with this, we've announced the board's authorization for a $750 million increase to our share repurchase program.
Al Morale: And while indicators suggest the compelling need to address workload and data growth rising security threats and eventual client device obsolescence, our current expectations for a slow start to the year for it spending and full year growth in the low single digit range.
Al Morale: With this customer spend scenario as our baseline. We additionally expect to profitably gain two to 300 basis points of share in 2024.
Al Morale: As you know when we mixed into netted down solutions. The impact is fully reflected in our gross profit, but it is muted in our net sales growth.
Al Morale: Conversely, when hardware volume was strong as we saw in 2021 and 2022, our net sales growth is stronger as these products are accounted for on a full gross accounting basis.
Al Morale: Given the impact of shifting customer priorities on our net sales any inherent accounting differences that results from different business mix. We believe that gross profit has become more effective barometer for gauging our growth expectations as such beginning with 2024 and go forward.
Al Morale: Third we will align our outlook with a with a view on gross profit in lieu of net sales.
al: Combining our prior authorization with this new additional authorization, we currently have approximately $1.1 billion of availability under Sherri's Purchase Program as we start 2024. And that leads to our outlook on slide 17. The uncertain market conditions we operated under in 2023 have persisted into early 2024, and customer sentiment remains cautious and prudent. And while indicators suggest a compelling need to address workload and data growth, rising security threats, and eventual client-device obsolescence, our current expectations for a slow start to the year for IT spending and full-year growth in the low single-digit range. With this customer spend scenario as our baseline, we additionally expect to profitably gain 200 to 300 basis points of share in 2024. As you know, when we mix in a netted-down solution, the impact is fully reflected in our gross profit, but it is muted in our net sales.
Al Morale: Based on our current view of mix and margin rates across our portfolio. Our expectation for 2020 for is for low to mid single digit profit growth.
Al Morale: This assumes a flat to modestly higher gross margin relative to full year 2023.
Al Morale: Finally, we expect our full year non-GAAP earnings per diluted share to be up mid single digits year over year.
Al Morale: Please remember that we hold ourselves accountable for delivering our financial outlook on a full year constant currency basis.
Al Morale: Additional modeling thoughts for annual depreciation and amortization amortization interest expense and the non-GAAP effective tax rate can be found on slide 18.
Al Morale: Moving to modeling thoughts for the first quarter, we anticipate gross margin comparable to 2020 threes level, albeit lower than 2000, <unk> Q4, and leading to low single digit gross profit growth on a year over year basis.
Al Morale: Moving down the P&L, we expect operating expenses to be higher to begin 2024 compared to Q4 as we accrue for a reset of compensation expense that was more muted at the end of 2023.
al: Conversely, when hardware volume is strong, as we saw in 2021 and 2022, our net sales growth is stronger as these products are accounted for on a full gross accounting basis. Given the impact of shifting customer priorities on our net sales and the inherent accounting differences that result from different business mix, we believe that gross profit has become a more effective barometer for gauging our growth expectations. As such, beginning with 2024 and going forward, we will align our outlook with a view on gross profit in lieu of net. Based on our current view of mix and margin rates across our portfolio, our expectation for 2024 is for low to mid single-digit gross profit growth. This assumes a flat to modestly higher gross margin relative to full year 2023. Finally, we expect our four-year non-GAAP earnings per diluted share to be up mid-single digits year-over-year. Please remember that we hold ourselves accountable for delivering our financial outlook on a full year constant currency basis. Additional modeling thoughts for annual depreciation and amortization, interest expense, and the non-gap effective tax rate can be found on slide 18.
Al Morale: Along with other seasonal workforce expenses.
Al Morale: We expect operating expense leverage as a percentage of gross profit to gradually improve as the year progresses and expenses even out.
Al Morale: Finally, we expect first quarter non-GAAP earnings per diluted share to be in the low to mid single digit range year over year.
Al Morale: As we start the new year. We are also adjusting our approach on the outlook for adjusted free cash flow again, given the variability of mix of business and the corresponding impact on net sales. We believe the relationship between adjusted free cash flow to non-GAAP net income will provide a more consistent metric.
Al Morale: Go forward for 2024, we expect adjusted free cash flow to be in the range of 80% to 90% of our non-GAAP net income.
Al Morale: It is important to note that while we continue to operate in a cautious and uncertain environment. We remain confident in our ability to deliver profitability margins and cash flow to our stakeholders just as we did in 2023.
Speaker Change: That concludes the financial summary, as always we will provide updated views on the macro environment and our business on our future earnings calls.
Speaker Change: And with that I will ask the operator open it for questions.
al: Moving to modeling thoughts for the first quarter, we anticipate gross margin comparable to 2023's level, albeit lower than 2024, and leading to low single-digit gross profit growth on a year-over-year basis. Moving down the P&L, we expect operating expenses to be higher in beginning 2024 compared to Q4 as we accrue for the reset of compensation expense that was more muted at the end of 2023, along with other seasonal workforce expenses. We expect operating expense leverage as a percentage of gross profit to gradually improve as the year progresses and expenses even out. Finally, we expect first quarter NIGAP earnings per W-chair to be in the low to mid single-digit range year-over-year.
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Speaker Change: Our first question comes from Matt Sheerin of Stifel. Please go ahead.
Matt Sheerin: Yes. Thank you and good morning. My first question just regarding your comments on the weakness in infrastructure products, particularly netcom products. After a very strong first three quarters with that backlog down do you get a sense of how long it's going to take in terms of that digestion period from customers.
Matt Sheerin: And when that might pick up again.
Al Morale: Yes. Good morning, Matt. Thanks. This is al I would say Matt.
Al Morale: First just I think you hit it right. We would expect some headwinds on the Netcom front I'd say underlying demand is solid with some strength and some pockets.
al: As we start the new year, we are also adjusting our approach on the Outlook for Adjusted Free Cash. Again, given the variability of the mix of business and the corresponding impacts on net sales, we believe the relationship between adjusted free cash flow to non-GAAP net income will provide a more consistent metric going forward. For 2024, we expect adjusted free cash flow to be in the range of 80 to 90 percent of our non-GAAP net income. It is important to note that while we continue to operate in a cautious and uncertain environment, we remain confident in our ability to deliver profitability, margins, and cash flow to our stakeholders, just as we did in 2023. That concludes the financial summary. As always, we will provide updated views on the macro environment and our business on our future earnings. And with that, I will ask the operator to open it up for questions. We'd ask each of you to limit your questions to one with a brief follow-up.
Al Morale: But not not significantly strong.
Matt Sheerin: The bigger headwind there would really be the compares when you look back in 2023, and particularly the first few quarters the growth in net com was between 20% and 40%. So with those type of growth numbers from 2023, we would expect that we'd see declines at least for the next few quarters.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you and then on the.
PC demand and client devices.
Speaker Change: It looked like.
Speaker Change: The.
Speaker Change: Year over year decline was much better or less worse. If you will in Q4, what are your expectations in terms of client device upgrades. It doesn't sound like you are.
Speaker Change: Super optimistic at least for the first half so what's the outlook there.
Jordan: Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to register a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you change your mind, please press star 2, and please ensure that you're unmuted when speaking.
Speaker Change: Sure I'll take that as well Matt.
Speaker Change: That's right for at least the first half what we're calling for is similar trend as what you've seen in the last few quarters that is continued strength in netted down revenues, specifically cloud and SaaS and we would not see strength on the hardware side, including Pcs, what our outlook calls for.
Matt Sheerin: Our first question comes from Matt Sheerin of Stiefel. Matt, please go ahead. Yes, thank you, and good morning. My first question is just regarding your comments on the weakness in infrastructure products, particularly net-com products, after a very strong first three quarters with that backlog down. Do you get a sense of how long it's going to take in terms of that digestion period from customers and when that might pick up again? Yeah, good morning, Matt. Thanks. This is Al.
Speaker Change: <unk> is a modest recovery in the back half and that includes Pcs and look I'll just add the while we still believe that there is impetus in catalyst for Pcs to return it becomes just basically a matter of when not if we think we're a few quarters off from that.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Youre welcome.
al: I would say, Matt, first, I just think you hit it right. We would expect some headwinds on the Netcom front. I'd say underlying demand is solid with some strength in some pockets, but not significantly strong. The bigger headwind there would really be the comparisons when you look back in 2023, and particularly the first few quarters, the growth in Netcom was between 20 and 40%. So, with those type of growth numbers from 2023, we would expect that we'd see declines at least for the next few quarters. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes continue to build it.
Speaker Change: Adam Tindle of Raymond James Adam. Please go ahead.
Adam Tindle: Okay. Thanks, Good morning, I just wanted to start at a high level question, maybe Chris or al could could answer, but as we think about CDW from an investor perspective, a lot of us have thought up this is a compound or that generally experiencing double digit earnings growth with that algorithm of kind of mid single digit topline some leverage.
Adam Tindle: Some capital allocation and you kind of get to this double digit earnings growth.
Adam Tindle: Just finished the year with flattish earnings growth and then this year. Your initial guidance for 2024 I think is mid single digit earnings growth. So I'm. Just wondering if you could revisit that and how should investors think about cdw's earnings algorithm at this level of size and scale should we sort of reset our expectations and think of this more of a mid single digit compound or at this point.
al: And then on PC demand and client devices, it looked like the year-over-year decline was much better, or less worse, if you will, in Q4. What are your expectations in terms of client device upgrades? It doesn't sound like, you know, you're super optimistic, at least for the first half. So what's the outlook there? Sure, I'll take that as well, Matt.
Adam Tindle: Why or why not.
Adam Tindle: Yeah.
Al Morale: Sure. Thanks, Adam this is al.
Al Morale: Look I do think that we're in this transitory period right, we've gone through periods of extremity with the pandemic and.
al: I think that's right. For at least the first half, what we're calling for is similar trends to what you've seen in the last few quarters. That is continued strength and netted down revenues, specifically cloud and SaaS, and we would not see strength on the hardware side, including PCs. What our outlook calls for is a modest recovery in the back half, and that includes PCs. And look, I'll just add that while we still believe that there is impetus and catalyst for PCs to return, it becomes just basically a matter of when, not if. We think we're a few quarters off. Okay, thank you very much. You're welcome.
Returns that were significant obviously, there has been some digestion and quite a bit of mix shift as we eased.
Al Morale: Post pandemic period.
Al Morale: I would continue to call 2024, a transitory period right, we're just not seeing.
Al Morale: The strength or the the return to demand on the hardware side of things as customers of essentially decided to ration their spend to items that they believe will optimize their cost create the greatest ROI et cetera that being said.
Jordan: Our next question comes from... Adam Tindle of Raymond James. Adam, please go ahead. Okay, thanks. Good morning.
Al Morale: All cycles.
Have there they are beginning and we do believe that on the back side of this there are significant catalysts that will balance things out and.
Adam Tindle: I just want to start at a high-level question that maybe Chris or Al could answer. But as we think about CDW from an investor perspective, a lot of us have thought of this as a compounder that generally experiences double-digit earnings growth. With an algorithm of kind of a mid-single-digit top line, some leverage, some capital allocation, you kind of get to this double-digit earnings growth. You just finished a year with flattish earnings growth, and then this year your initial guidance for 2024, I think, is mid-single-digit earnings growth. I'm just wondering if you could revisit that, and what investors should think about CDW's earnings algorithm. At this level of size and scale, should we sort of reset our expectations and think of this more as a mid-single-digit compounder at this point? Why or why not? Chris said, Sure.
Al Morale: Include a return to growth on the hardware side.
Al Morale: I think what youre seeing from our outlook and what you saw in 2023 is something like a transitory period and when we look beyond that and some of the catalysts that we think we're on the other side.
Al Morale: We believe the returns will look more and more significant.
Speaker Change: Yeah and I.
Speaker Change: Thanks, I would just add if you take a big step back Adam what are customers facing they are facing proliferating data other data during ever expanding cyber threats expanding workloads hardware obsolescence the incredible promise of new technologies and so the landscape that they are facing in the essential nature of technology.
Every single walk of life is not going away. So as we look forward to those catalysts.
al: Thanks, Adam. This is Al. Look, I do think that we're in this transitory Period, right? We've gone through periods of extremity with the pandemic and with returns that were significant. Obviously, there's been some digestion and quite a bit of mixed shift as we've eased into the post-pandemic period.
Speaker Change: Al mentioned think about digital transformation, that's a durable trend and it's a continuous process and many customers have really paused on there.
Speaker Change: Investment in evolution in 2023, that's going to come back when uncertainty Abates network modernization continues to be top of mind and once that digestion.
Speaker Change: Get through the process and there is only going to be a need for.
al: I would continue to call 2024 a transitory period, right? We are just not seeing the strength or the return to demand on the hardware side of things. Customers have essentially decided to ration their spend on items that they believe will optimize their costs, create the greatest ROI, et cetera. That being said, all cycles kind of have their beginning and end.
Speaker Change: Greater to handle the greater network traffic and data et cetera security threats continue to grow and there are more sophisticated kind of exclamation point.
Speaker Change: Client devices are just aging and even the pre pandemic devices are coming on four years old and then we've got Windows 10 sunsetting.
Speaker Change: So you've got all of those things that are catalysts that we're going to see coming down the Pike and then just add AI still early innings.
al: We do believe that on the backside of this, there are significant catalysts that will balance things out and include a return to growth on the hardware side. So, I think what you're seeing from our outlook and what you saw in 2023 is something like a transitory period. And when we look beyond that and some of the catalysts that we think are on the other side, we believe the returns will look more significant. Yeah, and I, Al, thanks.
Speaker Change: Use cases, not quite proven out yet, but we're seeing incredibly exciting opportunities for the services and execution of adoption around those so.
Speaker Change: I think we couldnt be more excited about the technologists technology industry generally.
Speaker Change: Okay. That's helpful. Maybe just a quick follow up Chris.
Christine A. Leahy: I would just add, you know, if you take a big step back, Adam, what are our customers facing? They're facing proliferating data. They're facing ever-expanding cyber threats, expanding workloads, hardware obsolescence, and the incredible promise of new technologies. And so the landscape that they're facing and the essential nature of technology to every single walk of life is not going away.
Speaker Change: Obviously net leverages is about at optimal levels, our cash flow has certainly been a bright spot for the business understand the share repurchase authorization today, but wanted to ask more of a strategic M&A standpoint, since that's been sort of a core competency of CDW I would say.
Speaker Change: You think on a forward basis, obviously, there's been some moves around you from some competitors moving into some more more cloud based strategic areas wondered how you were evaluating or thinking about the strategic roadmap from an M&A perspective on one hand, I think in the past we've talked about perhaps expanding more international.
Christine A. Leahy: So as we look forward to those catalysts that Al mentioned, think about digital transformation. That's a durable trend, and it's a continuous process, and many customers have really paused on their investment in evolution in 2023.
Christine A. Leahy: That's going to come back when uncertainty abates. Network modernization continues to be top of mind. And once that digestion gets through the process, then there's only going to be a need for, you know, greater capacity to handle greater network traffic and data, et cetera. Security threats continue to grow, and they're more sophisticated, kind of exclamation point. Client devices are just aging, and even the pre-pandemic devices are coming on four years old. And then we've got Windows 10 sun setting.
Speaker Change: Molly after such strong success with the Callaway acquisition years ago on the other hand, obviously, expanding our strategic capabilities would be another direction, just how youre thinking about strategic growth roadmap from here. Thanks.
Yes, no problem, Matt and thanks for the question.
Speaker Change: The vectors you hit would be still consistent with how we're thinking about it whether geographic expansion.
Speaker Change: Larger acquisitions to bolster our capabilities in tuck ins, which we've been doing.
Christine A. Leahy: So you've got all of those things that are catalysts that we're going to see coming down the pike. And then just add AI, still in the early innings. Use case is not quite proven out yet, but we're seeing incredibly exciting opportunities for the services and execution of adoption around those. So I think we couldn't be more excited about the technology industry.
Molly: And I would just reiterate look M&A is a strategic driver of our value prop and our growth strategy and you've seen us do 10 acquisitions over the past five years.
Molly: And those have been very valuable in terms of driving value to our customers. So as we think about where we focus our efforts.
Molly: Driving driving capabilities and solutions that are high growth and high relevance and in services capabilities. There's a plethora of areas that we could focus including areas like security and cloud and AI and so I would just say look at the end of the day, we've said it before we're always looking.
Adam Tindle: Maybe just a quick follow-up, Chris. Obviously, net leverage is about at optimal levels. Cash flow has certainly been a bright spot for the business. I understand the share repurchase authorization today but wanted to ask more from a strategic M&A standpoint, since that's been sort of a core competency of CDW, I would say. As you think on a forward basis, obviously, there's been some moves around you from some competitors, moving into some more cloud-based strategic areas. I wondered how you were evaluating or thinking about the strategic roadmap from an M&A perspective. On the one hand, I think in the past, we've talked about perhaps expanding more internationally after such a strong success with the CalWay acquisition years ago. On the other hand, obviously, expanding strategic capabilities would be another direction. Just how you're thinking about a strategic roadmap from here. Thanks.
Molly: And we've got a number of identified targets in our pipeline, but it also has to be opportunistic, but one thing I would say Adam is when you think about the success in evolving our business to be able to deliver the profitability that we did this year with the hardware pressure in the other dynamics happening in.
Molly: The marketplace, that's due to bringing on capabilities that are highly strategic highly relevant and then executing against them. So when I think back five years versus now our cloud business has grown on a compound annual growth basis by 30% and we did it again in 2023 I look at security another area that we're very focused on may.
Christine A. Leahy: Yeah, no problem, Adam. Thanks for the question. The vectors you hit would still be consistent with how we're thinking about it, whether geographic expansion, larger acquisitions to bolster capabilities, and tuck-ins, which we've been doing. And I would just reiterate, look, M&A is a strategic driver of our value proposition and our growth strategy, and you've seen us do ten acquisitions over the past five years. And those have been very valuable in terms of driving value to our customers. So, as we think about where we focus our efforts, driving capabilities and solutions that are high growth and high relevance, and in services capabilities, there's a plethora of areas that we could focus on, including areas like security and cloud and AI. And so I would just say, look, at the end of the day. We said it before, we're always looking.
Molly: <unk> acquisition in addition to internal.
Molly: Internal investments and that business has doubled in three years. So we really are investing behind the most important capabilities and we're seeing great results as a as a result.
Speaker Change: Let me just add one element you hit it on the front end.
Speaker Change: Take pride in our ability to compound and you noted about free cash flow in the environment we've been in.
Speaker Change: There's a bit of a kind of hunkering down focus on margin focus on cash flow you will note that we've increased our cash position. We're excited about what's on the horizon from a capital perspective, when we think about the cash Optionality, we have in front of us and that would certainly include M&A.
Speaker Change: Makes sense. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from <unk> merchant of Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Merchant: Great. Thank you for taking my question.
Christine A. Leahy: And we've got a number of identified targets in our pipeline, but it also has to be opportunistic. One thing I would say, Adam, is when you think about the success of evolving our business to be able to deliver the profitability that we did this year with the hardware pressure and the other dynamics happening in the marketplace, that's due to bringing on capabilities that are highly strategic and highly relevant and then executing against them. So, when I think back five years versus now, our cloud business has grown on a compound annual growth basis by 30%, and we will do it again in 2023. I look at security, another area that we were very focused on. We made an acquisition in addition to internal investments, and that business has doubled in three years. So, we really are investing in the most important capabilities, and we're seeing great results as a result. And Adam, let me just add one more element. You hit it on the front end.
Merchant: How do you guys think about market share gain.
Merchant: In the current environment and if you could maybe peel back a little bit on the gross profit linearity looks like that's going to be a key metric 90, Brita threatful metric, maybe if you can walk us through the confidence and what's driving the confidence in improving gross profit growth range.
Merchant: From the low single digits and the startup of the year and as you ramp through the year. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah. Thanks for the question I'll start on on market share gain look we hold ourselves accountable consistently.
Speaker Change: To deliver two to 300 basis points above market rate of growth and we have a track record of doing just that and we are confident that in 2023. We did we did gain share. If you look at our net sales versus what customer spend with CDW, we've talked about that delta widening significantly in.
Speaker Change: Over seven basis points now so we're very confident that we've taken share even in this very cautious and uneven market environment.
al: We take pride in our ability to compound, and you noted about free cash flow. In the environment we've been in, there's a bit of a kind of hunkering down, focus on margin, focus on cash flow. You'll note that we've increased our cash position. We're excited about what's on the horizon from a capital perspective when we think about the cash optionality we have in front of us, and that would certainly include M&A. That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: That's to the team's excellent execution and the value of our full stack for full lifecycle portfolio.
Speaker Change: Now I'll turn it to you for the gross profit question.
Speaker Change: So yes.
Speaker Change: Yeah on the gross profit front, obviously like Chris said.
Speaker Change: There is a focus in this environment thinking about customer span in that spread between customer span and net sales has been significant.
Aseer Merchan: Our next question comes from Aseer Merchan of Citigroup. Aseer, please go ahead. Great, thank you for taking my question. You know, how do you guys think about market share gain in the current environment? And if you could, you know, maybe peel back a little bit on the gross profit linearity, looks like that's gonna be a key metric, and I agree that's a rightful metric. Maybe you can walk us through the confidence and what's driving the confidence in improving the gross profit growth rate from the low single digits at the start of the year and as you ramp through the year. Thank you.
Speaker Change: We also feel confident about the continued trend of items, such as netted down revenues, which we think will bolster our gross margin there may be a bit of an evening out on the gross margin front.
Speaker Change: In the back the back half as we see additional mix of hardware start to kick in but all things considered I think that the.
Speaker Change: Seasonality in the pacing of GP would not be dissimilar to what you've seen in our historical seasonal trends.
Christine A. Leahy: Yeah, thanks for the question. I'll start on market share gain. Look, we hold ourselves accountable consistently to deliver 200 to 300 basis points above the IT market rate of growth. And we have a track record of doing just that.
Speaker Change: Okay, and so just to recap you guys are thinking about some perhaps modest recovery in the second half on client devices and against that backdrop and you guys are still kind of thinking about gross profit improving.
Christine A. Leahy: And we are confident that in 2023, we will gain share. If you look at our net sales versus what customers spend with CDW, we've talked about that delta widening significantly. We're we're over seven basis points now.
Speaker Change: Sequentially on a year on a sequentially as it progressed through the year.
Speaker Change: Yes, I think that has brought that is broadly correct.
Speaker Change: On the mix front end in terms of the modest recovery in the back half and.
Christine A. Leahy: So we're very confident that we've taken share even in this very cautious and uneven market environment, thanks to the team's excellent execution and the value of our full stack, full full lifecycle portfolio. I'll turn it to you for the gross profit question.
Speaker Change: With that our GP would accelerate through the year.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Amit <unk> of Evercore ISI. Please.
Amit: Please go ahead.
Amit: Yes, good morning, everyone I have two as well I guess, Chris maybe just to start with I'd love to understand you.
al: Yeah, so Asya, on the gross profit front, obviously, like Chris said, there is a focus in this environment on thinking about customer span, and that spread between customer span and net sales has been significant. We also feel confident about the continued trend of items such as netted down revenues, which we think will bolster gross margin. There may be a bit of an evening out on the gross margin front. In the back half, as we see additional mix of hardware start to kick in, but all things considered, I think that the seasonality and the pacing of GP would not be dissimilar to what you've seen in historical seasonal trends. Okay, and so just to recap, you guys are thinking about some perhaps modest recovery in the second half on client devices, and against that backdrop, you guys are still kind of thinking about gross profits improving sequentially on a neuron sequentially as you progress through. Yeah, I think that is broadly correct on the mixed front in terms of the modest recovery in the back half, and, you know, with that, our GP would accelerate through the year. Okay, thank you. Our next question comes from Amit Daryanani of Evercore ISI. Amit, please go ahead. Good morning, everyone. I have two as well.
Amit: And talk to customers.
Amit: What are the top priorities from a spend perspective in calendar 'twenty foreign I'm sure AI is a very hot topic, but I would love to understand it.
Amit: Investments with AI the dollars for that are they coming from some other bucket Aida cannibalistic or what do you think there'll be net incremental to it budgets.
Speaker Change: Good morning, Amit and yes in terms of our priorities, they're consistent with what we've said in the prepared remarks, I mean customers in the commercial space in particular focused on cost optimization customer and employee experience.
Amit: And things that revolve around that there is still a heavy focus on <unk>.
Amit: Digital transformation, obviously and security as well AI, which is where you're getting to AI is that it's a it's a hyper focus I think last call. We mentioned that you can't have a conversation with the customer without AI coming up and it's been very exciting because we've had a data AI practice for several years in that practice.
Amit: I would say, we deepened it and we scaled it, particularly when we bought IGN W and serious into the CDW family and currently I'd say the burgeoning demand for consultative services in particular, and I'm talking deep technical capabilities as well as industry specific capabilities.
Amit Daryanani: I guess, Chris, maybe just to start with, I'd love to understand, you know, as you engage and talk to customers, what are the top priorities from an IT spend perspective in calendar 24? And, you know, I'm sure AI is a very hot topic. But you know, the part I'd love to understand is, are the investments for AI, the dollars for that, coming from some other bucket, i.e., they're cannibalistic, or do you think they'll be net incremental to the IT budget? Good morning, Amit.
Amit: So we're seeing quite a bit of momentum in our in our practice there.
Amit: What I would tell you is that a number of customers are at the front end of their experiences we're helping them through use cases and what the efficiencies are to be had and then we've got customers who are actually piloting some really interesting.
Christine A. Leahy: And yeah, in terms of priorities, they're consistent with what we've said in the prepared remarks. I mean, customers in the commercial space, in particular, are focused on cost optimization, customer and employee experience, and things that revolve around that. There's still a heavy focus on digital transformation, obviously, and security as well. AI, which is where you're getting to, AI is a hyper focus.
Amit: Capabilities, and we're helping them work through those here's what we're not seeing we're not seeing a budget shift out of it what we are seeing and hearing is that budgets are coming from elsewhere in the organization. The functional areas that are going to be improved through AI innovation like HR like finance like marketing.
Christine A. Leahy: I think on last call, we mentioned that you can't have a conversation with a customer without AI coming up. And it's been very exciting because we've had a data AI practice for several years, and that practice, I would say, we deepened it, and we scaled it, particularly when we brought IGNW and Sirius into the CW family. And currently, I'd say there's burgeoning demand for consultative services in particular, and I'm talking deep technical capabilities as well as industry-specific capabilities. And so we're seeing quite a bit of momentum in our practice there. What I would tell you is that a number of customers are at the front end of their experiences, and we're helping them through use cases and what the efficiencies are to be had. And then we've got customers who are actually piloting some really interesting capabilities, and we're helping them work through those. Here's what we're not seeing. We're not seeing a budget shift out of IT.
Amit: Literally across the organization.
Amit: Organizations are using budgets they are to allocate to AI improvements because they are thinking about it nearly as business transformation. So we haven't seen a shift and frankly, we're not expecting that to happen. We're very excited about the opportunities that lie ahead, though.
Amit: Okay.
Speaker Change: Perfect. Thank you for that and I guess, if I could ask you a question.
Speaker Change: Most margins in 'twenty three are up about 210 basis points I think if I go from 21% to 22, the up multi 400.
Speaker Change: You've always got a question on like what is the right gross margin range of CDW.
But as you look at this performance, maybe it'll come into 'twenty three.
Speaker Change: You can parse out how much of this do you think the gross margin expansion.
Speaker Change: <unk> was the cyclical and is there a normalized range, what you're thinking about gross margins for the company.
Speaker Change: Sure Thanks, and good morning on it.
Speaker Change: But if I Peel back 2023, three core drivers the most significant would be the pick up in mix shift to netted down revenues in particularly SaaS and cloud and that was the most significant component.
Christine A. Leahy: What we are seeing and hearing is that budgets are coming from elsewhere in the organization, the functional areas that are going to be improved through AI innovation, like HR, like finance, like marketing, literally across the organization. Organizations are using budgets there to allocate to AI improvements because they're thinking about it nearly as a business transformation. So we haven't seen a shift, and frankly, we're not expecting that to happen. We're very excited about the opportunities that lie ahead, though. Perfect. Thank you for that. And, you know, I guess, Al, if I could ask you a question, gross margins in 23 are up about 210 basis points. I think if I go from 21 to 22, they're up not to 400.
Speaker Change: Number two would be that hardware were softer and therefore that less mix of hardware and particularly Pcs benefited us from a mix perspective, and then three and we've noted this before overall product margins were firm in 2023, and so that was a <unk>.
Speaker Change: Positive contributor to the gross margin story.
Speaker Change: Flex call that forward, which I think is the logical question Amit.
Speaker Change: We expect that the netted down revenue trend is durable.
Amit Daryanani: I always get a question on, like, what is the right gross margin range for CDW? But as you look at this performance, maybe for Canada 23, to the extent you can parse that, how much of this do you think the gross margin expansion is secular versus cyclical? And, you know, is there a normalized range once you think about gross margins for the country? Sure, thanks. And good morning, Alex.
Speaker Change: And we will continue and particularly we would note we expect strength in the first half and then youll get some balancing out with hardware.
Speaker Change: Number two.
Speaker Change: On the hardware front, we are expecting a modest recovery in the back half on hardware, including PC. So that would have the effect of diluting margins somewhat to be candid, though we don't believe that that shift in what we're calling modest which significantly move the gross margins and then finally on the.
al: Look, if I peel back 2023, the three core drivers, the most significant would be the pickup and mix shift to netted down revenues, and particularly SaaS and cloud. And that was the most significant component. Number two would be that hardware was softer and therefore a lower mix of hardware and, particularly, PCs benefited us from a mixed perspective. And then three, and we've noted this before, overall product margins were firm in 2023, and so that was a positive contributor to the gross margin story. So, if I scroll that forward, which I think is the logical question on it, we expect that the netted down revenue trend is durable and will continue. And, particularly, we would know we expect strength in the first half. And then you'll get some balancing out with hardware. Number two, on the hardware front, we are expecting a modest recovery in the back half for hardware, including PCs. So that would affect the effective diluting margin somewhat.
Speaker Change: Product margin front, but we study this closely and and really our assessment at this point would be that product margins are holding firm and I think that's a reflection of both a competitive environment, but not any rational environment from a pricing and margin perspective and the.
Speaker Change: I've mentioned this before but there is a trend of I'll call. It richer configurations on the product front by customers moving up the value chain and we do feel like that trend is and will persist and so really that's the rationale overall for our outlook on gross margins being as.
Speaker Change: Substantially similar to 2023, maybe a tick up.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Keith how some of Northcoast research.
al: To be candid, though, I don't believe that that shift in what we're calling modest would significantly move gross margins. And then, on the product margin front, but we study this closely, and really, our assessment at this point would be that product margins are holding firm. And I think that's a reflection of both a competitive environment but not any rational environment for pricing and margin.
Keith: The line is yours.
Keith: Great. Thank you I appreciate it good morning.
Keith: As we think about AI and I understand it's very nascent still for you guys and the rest of the industry.
Keith: Is this more of a solutions or a hardware or software or consulting.
Opportunity for CDW, and how does that evolve over the next several years, how should we think about that.
Speaker Change: Yeah, It's a great question and I would say currently.
Speaker Change: Nascent the opportunity in the burgeoning demand right now is because of the complexity and the speed and trying to figure out and test use cases. So we are seeing most of the activity for us in our advisory and consulting services I think I used the word Virginia.
al: And then I've mentioned this before, but there's a trend of, I'll call it, richer configurations on the product front, right? Customers moving up the value chain, and we do feel like that trend is and will persist. And so really, that's the rationale overall for our outlook and gross margins being substantially similar to twenty, twenty-three, maybe a tick. Thank you. Our next question comes from Keith Housum of North Coast Research. Keith, the line is yours.
Speaker Change: The momentum has been <unk>.
Speaker Change: Significant but as you think longer term. This is a full stack play and that's why CDW is a scaled full stack full lifecycle provider with expertise not just technically but deep into each industry vertical is positions us well to help our customers and as you know when we think about CDW.
Keith Housum: Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. Good morning.
Christine A. Leahy: As we think about AI, and I understand it's very nascent still for you guys and the rest of the industry, is this more of a solution, or a hardware, or a software, or consulting, you know, opportunity for AI or for CDW? And how will that evolve over the next several years? How should we think about that? Yeah, it's a great question. And I would say currently, the nascent, the opportunity, and the burgeoning demand right now are because of the complexity and the speed and trying to figure out and test use cases. So we are seeing most of the activity for us in our advisory and consulting services. I think I should use the word burgeoning.
Speaker Change: Strategy and the growth over the years, we have been moving our capabilities to ensure that we are we're moving closer to the front end of the value chain AI is a great example of that strategy in action given the consultant consulting momentum that we've been seeing but at the end of the day, we're talking about the need for.
Speaker Change: Power consumption in data center enhancements and up and down the stack. So in terms of timing across the next several years, it's hard to say exactly when.
Christine A. Leahy: The momentum has been significant. But if you think longer term, this is a full-stack play, and that's why CDW is a scaled, full-stack, full-life cycle provider with expertise not just technically but deep into each industry vertical, positions us well to help our customers. And as you know, when we think about CDW's strategy and growth over the years, we have been moving our capabilities to ensure that we are moving closer to the front end of the value chain. AI is a great example of that strategy in action, given the consulting momentum that we've been seeing. But at the end of the day, we're talking about the need for power and consumption and data center enhancements up and down the stack.
Speaker Change: The various components of the stack will hit but what I would say is just like any kind of revolutionary technology change it moves fast and this will move faster. So we're seeing AI as an accelerant in our business and one that we think will play out fairly quickly over the next 24 months.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, and maybe it's a follow up maybe for it.
Speaker Change: Touching on a little bit here, but it did a quarter you guys announced some optimization charges within the EPS, so perhaps elliot perhaps touching.
Speaker Change: The Genesis of what those items work.
Speaker Change: Musicians Ritchie.
Speaker Change: Sorry can you say that one more time.
Christine A. Leahy: So in terms of timing across the next several years, it's hard to say exactly when the various components of this stack will hit. But what I would say is, just like any kind of revolutionary technological change, it moves fast, and this will move faster. So we're seeing AI as an accelerant in our business, and one that we think will play out fairly quickly over the next 24 months. Great, thanks.
Speaker Change: Yes, just when we look at your non-GAAP EPS, we see that you had some amortization charges or restructuring charges in there, perhaps giving us highlight what those items are made up of.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Yeah sure so largely keep they would fall in the category of.
Speaker Change: Workforce optimization really two components to that we did have as you know some coworker events during 2023 and that was really about aligning our fixed cost base and our co worker count base with the level of the business and activity. We're seeing so that's one call that more really onetime nature.
Keith Housum: Maybe to follow up, maybe to touch on a little bit here, but during the quarter, you guys announced some optimization charges within the EPS. So perhaps, Al, you could perhaps touch on the genesis of what those items were. I'm sorry, can you say that one more time? Yeah, just when we look at your non-GAAP EPS, we see that you have some optimization charges or restructuring charges in there. Perhaps you can just highlight, you know, what those items were made up of?
Speaker Change: The other element within that category that would be real estate as you would expect.
Speaker Change: Youre seeing more broadly.
Speaker Change: We are and continue to take a hard look at our real estate portfolio, where we are in a hybrid phase if you will.
al: Yeah, yeah, sure. So, largely, Keith, they would fall in the category of workforce optimization, really two components to that. We did have, as you know, some co-worker events during 2023. And that was really about aligning our fixed cost base and our co-worker count base with the level of the business and activity we were seeing. So that's one, call that a more really one-time nature.
Speaker Change: Our workforce and making sure that we constantly rationalize our real estate portfolio and so there are some charges that are coming through desktop.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Youre welcome.
Samik Chatterjee: Our next question comes from stomach Chatterji of J P. Morgan stomach the line is yours.
Samik Chatterjee: Hi, Thanks for taking my question and maybe for the first one if I could just follow up on the question.
al: The other element within that category would be real estate. As you would expect, and you're seeing more broadly, we are and continue to take a hard look at our real estate portfolio, where we are in the hybrid phase, if you will, of our workforce, and make sure that we constantly re-rationalize our real estate portfolio. And so there are some charges that are coming through that. Great, thank you. Our next question comes from Samik Chatterjee of J.P. Morgan. Samik, the line is yours.
Samik Chatterjee: So the question Amit to us.
Samik Chatterjee: Yeah.
Samik Chatterjee: I understand sort of your comments about being more heavy towards consulting and sort of the early days of these AI sort of discussions with your customers, but when you think of a full stack solution.
Samik Chatterjee: One sort of when the customers deploy it doesn't even take you.
Samik Chatterjee: Down the road of netted down revenue mix increasing.
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Samik Chatterjee: The mix of your business or does it really putting back of sort of pulled back the netted down revenue mix in terms of balancing out the hardware and the.
Samik Chatterjee: follow-up on the EI. This is a question Amit asked. We understand some of your comments about being more heavy.
Samik Chatterjee: All right. Thank you. Thank you.
Samik Chatterjee: Software sales just curious about how you see your full stack solution thing out and I have a quick follow up thank you.
Christine A. Leahy: These AI sort discussions with their customers. Think of a full stack, or Envision One, down the road from Nettledown River, http://TheBusinessProfessor.com Balancing Out The Heart, software sales. Just curious about how you, Yeah, I'll start, and then I'll jump in. You know, it's I think it's it's hard to say at this point, but what I would say is when we think about AI as a tool to increase productivity and results. Just like we say technology is essential to every component of every organization being competitive and winning and delivering on their mission, AI is going to be central to that proposition because AI is going to be embedded in every component and everything that we sell, from the edge to the core.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll start and then al can jump in.
Speaker Change: You know it.
Speaker Change: It's hard to say at this point.
Speaker Change: What I would say is when we think about AI as a tool to increase productivity and results.
Speaker Change: Just like we say technology is essential to every component of every organization being competitive and winning and delivering on their mission AI is.
Speaker Change: Going to be central to that proposition because artificial intelligence is going to be embedded in every component and everything that we sell from the edge to the core and so however that plays out in terms of how of our customers consume it how they purchase it and how they consumer.
Christine A. Leahy: And so however that plays out in terms of how our customers consume it, how they purchase it, and how they consume it, we will be able to deliver across the full staff to them. In terms of what that looks like in netted-down revenue specifically, again, hard to really have a crystal ball as to how it's going to play out in that regard. Al, I don't know if you have thoughts on that. Yeah, I think that's right. And Samik, look, we will see exactly how this evolves at this point. Like you said, it is a bit more consultative and maybe services-oriented, which is not netted-down substantially. Chris hit it earlier.
Speaker Change: We will be able to deliver across the full stack to them in terms of what that looks like and netted down revenue specifically again hard to see how it was hard to really have a crystal ball as to how it is going to play out in that regard I don't give thoughts, yes, I think thats right and stomach look we will see.
Speaker Change: Exactly how this evolves at this point like you said it is a bit more consultative and maybe services oriented which is not added down substantially.
Speaker Change: Chris had it earlier this is ultimately a full stack opportunity for us and that would certainly include hardware. So we think that will be meaningful.
al: This is ultimately a full-stack opportunity for us, and that would certainly include hardware, so we think that will be meaningful. As I would contemplate the netted-down component, that would likely show up in spend associated with cloud and SaaS. So, is it conceivable that we would see that come through? Certainly. It just becomes kind of a matter of when and the pacing and track, if you will, for customers and how they ultimately deploy AI. Thank you. And for a follow-up, I mean, just curious given the change we've had here in the..., backdrop, are you starting? Well, the website in relation to their discussions around pricing. Sales, how do they think about pricing, or are you preparing? Right. Sure, Samik. I'll start, and then Chris may want to add something.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Contemplate that netted out component that would that would likely show up in spend associated with cloud and SaaS. So is it conceivable that we would see that come through certainly.
Speaker Change: It becomes kind of a matter of when and the pacing and.
Speaker Change: And track if you will the customers and how they ultimately deploy an AI.
Got it okay, well, thank you and for my follow up I mean.
Speaker Change: Just curious given the change we've had here in the inflation backdrop are you starting to.
Speaker Change: See any changes from the customer side in relation to their discussions around pricing with you or even with relation to the Oems themselves.
Speaker Change: How do you think about pricing or are you preparing for a different sort of pricing regime than we've been in the last sort of couple of years.
Speaker Change: Sure I'll start and Chris May want to add.
Samik Chatterjee: As I think, as I mentioned, we have not seen an environment that's irrational on the pricing or the margin front. I would say ASPs have largely held firm. So, you know, looking forward at this point, we wouldn't see any drastic changes. We're not seeing activities from partners or customers that would suggest that we're going to see any sharp movements up or down. So our outlook is based on the presumption that we'll be largely firm here. Our next question comes from Eric Woodring of Morgan Stanley. Eric, please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, guys. Let's see Chris to start off.
Speaker Change: As I think as I've mentioned, we have not seen an environment, that's irrational on the pricing or the margin front I would say.
Speaker Change: Asps have largely held firm so looking forward at this point, we wouldn't see any drastic changes, we're not seeing activities from partners or customers that we that would suggest that we're going to see any sharp movements up or down. So our outlook is based on the presumption that would be largely firm here.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Our next question comes from Erik Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Erik Woodring: Thank you good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions.
Erik Woodring: Maybe Chris to start off it's been a few quarters now where you.
Eric Woodring: It's been clear that the spending environment... that hardware spend, the way that you perhaps thought it would. As you talk to your customers, you know, what is that catalyst that will unlock? http://TheBusinessProfessor.com What gives you confidence? What are you hearing?
Erik Woodring: <unk> been clear that the spending environment is challenging.
Erik Woodring: Some cases some of that hardware spend hasnt come through in the way that you perhaps thought it was.
Erik Woodring: As you talk to your customers when you look at your pipeline.
Erik Woodring: What is the catalyst that will unlock the recovery in the second half of the year right. Now what gives you confidence what are you hearing or what are you seeing that allows you to take that view as we sit here today and then I have a follow up thanks.
Christine A. Leahy: That allows. Yeah, Eric, it's a great, great question, and one we actually face here at CDW at one point, you know, we do, do we loosen the purse strings? Here's what I say: two things. One, there's definitely pent-up demand. Our customers are ready to start putting plans in action, too. They're looking to be more confident in their expectations for the rest of the year. So while there have been some more positive indicators around the economy, I mean, we still have elevated inflation and elevated interest rates, and they're just merely waiting to feel more confident in where the economy is going. I hate to make it that simple, but frankly, it is.
Speaker Change: Yeah Eric.
Great question, and when we actually face here at CDW at one point, we do do we loosen the purse strings, here's what I'd say two things one there is definitely pent up demand.
Speaker Change: Our customers are ready to start putting plans in action to theyre looking to be more confident in the expectations for the rest of the year. So while there have been some.
Some more positive indicators currently around the economy I mean, we still have elevated inflation and elevated interest rates and theyre just merely waiting to feel more confident in where the economy is going I hate to make it that simple, but frankly it is but we're also equally confident of the pent up demand and desire for.
Christine A. Leahy: But we're also equally confident of the pent-up demand and the desire for our customers to get moving on those projects. I'm talking about the commercial space in particular, but get moving on those projects that they have delayed and deferred for some period of time. Okay, that's really helpful. Thank you, Chris. And then maybe Al.
Speaker Change: Our customers to get moving on those projects I'm talking about the commercial space in particular, but get moving on those projects that they have delayed and deferred for some period of time.
Speaker Change: Okay. That's really helpful. Thank you Chris.
Speaker Change: And then maybe al you know clearly some puts and takes when it comes to free cash flow, obviously, a bit of a changing business mix, depending on the environment that we're in.
al: You know, clearly some puts and takes when it comes to free cash flow, obviously a bit of a, The new net income to free cash flow conversion of 80% to 90%, which is a bit lower than it's just been over the last two years. Realize again, some puts and takes this year. But if you could just address anything that we should think about this year, specifically when it comes to cash flow. Transcribed by https://otter.ai, 5 years down the line, and that's, Sure.
Speaker Change: The new kind of net income to free cash flow conversion of 80% to 90% that's a bit lower than it has just been over the last two years realize again puts and takes this year, but if we if you could just address anything that we should think about that you'd call out this year, specifically when it comes to either working capital changes that would be helpful, but really longer term.
Speaker Change: Is there a rule of thumb that we should be thinking of for free cash flow conversion is 80% to 90%. How we should think three five years down the line and that's it for me. Thanks, so much.
Eric Woodring: Thanks, Eric. At this juncture, 80% to 90% is the rule of thumb that we would give you. As you recall, we start the years with a prudent view of what that would look like, and we'll see how the years play out. If you look back at the last two years, we were north of 100% on a non-GAAP net income basis. That reflected, I'd say, strong cash profits, strong and diligent management of our working capital, but also the countercyclical components as growth softened a bit, if you will. I would say the other element that I would add for 2024, Eric, is that we don't know exactly how the year will play out and what the pacing of business will look like, and so we try to give a little bit of space for the use of Our inventory is at very low levels, and you can look at that both on a DIO and an inventory balance dollar basis.
Speaker Change: Sure. Thanks, Eric at this juncture, 80%, 90% is that rule of thumb that we would give you.
Speaker Change: As you recall, we start for years.
Speaker Change: A prudent view of what that would look like and we'll see how the years play out if you look back at the last two years, we were north of 100% on non-GAAP net income basis.
Reflected I'd say strong cash profit.
Speaker Change: Strong and diligent management of our working capital, but also the countercyclical components right as.
Growth softened.
Speaker Change: Will so I would say the other element that I would add for 2020 for Eric is the we don't know exactly how the year will play out and what the pacing of business would look like and so we tried to give a little bit of space for use of working capital. Our inventory is at very low levels and you can look at that.
Speaker Change: On a <unk> Ana.
Speaker Change: Inventory balance dollar basis and so.
al: We just want to take a prudent view out of the gates here that we may be more active users of working capital, and certainly, we'll update you as the year progresses. I would finally just say that it is and will continue to be a high priority for us to continue to drive cash flow, convert profits, and ultimately have the optionality in our capital decisions to deploy it. With that, I'll hand back to CEO Chris Leahy to begin. To end, Chris, please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Look we just wanted to take a prudent view out of the gates here that we may be more active users of working capital and certainly we'll update you as the year progresses and I would just finally say that it is and will continue to be a high priority for us.
Speaker Change: Continue to drive cash flow convert profit and ultimately have the optionality in our capital decisions to deploy it.
Speaker Change: Thanks, so much.
Speaker Change: With that I'll hand back to CEO, Chris <unk> to begin to and Chris.
Christine A. Leahy: Chris. Please go ahead.
Well. Thank you very much tailor and let me close by recognizing the incredible dedication and hard work of our coworkers around the globe their ongoing commitment to serving our customers. It is what makes US successful. Thank you to our customers for the privilege and opportunity to help you achieve your goals and thank you.
Christine A. Leahy: Well, thank you very much, Taylor. And let me close by recognizing the incredible dedication and hard work of our co-workers around the world. Their ongoing commitment to serving our customers is what makes us successful. Thank you to our customers for the privilege and opportunity to help you achieve your goals. And thank you to those listening for your time and continued interest in CDW. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
Christine A. Leahy: Those listening for your time and continued interest in CDW.
Christine A. Leahy: Okay.
Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining you may now disconnect your lines.
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