Q4 2023 Aris Water Solutions Inc Earnings Call
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It is now my pleasure to introduce your host David <unk> Senior Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you David you may begin.
David Tuerff: Good morning, and welcome to the Aris Water Solutions fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. I am joined today by our president and CEO Amanda Brock, our founder and executive chairman Bill Zartler, and our CFO Stephen Thompson. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that in this call and the related presentation, we will make forward-looking statements regarding our current beliefs, plans, and expectations, which are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to a number of known and unknown risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results that differ materially from results and events contemplated by such forward-looking statements. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward Please refer to the risk factors and other cautionary statements included in our filings made from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I would also like to point out that our investor presentation and today's conference call will contain discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. These supplemental measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for financial measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP.
Good morning, and welcome to the Arris water solutions fourth quarter 2023 earnings Conference call I'm joined today by our President and CEO, Amanda Brock, our founder and executive Chairman Bills, Arthur and our CFO Stephen Thompson.
Before we begin I'd like to remind you that in this call and the related presentation. We will make forward looking statements regarding our current beliefs plans and expectations, which are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to a number of known and unknown risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from resolve.
And events contemplated by such forward looking statements you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward looking statements. Please refer to the risk factors and other cautionary statements included in our filings made from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
I'd also like to point out that our Investor presentation, and today's conference call will contain discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. These supplemental measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for financial measures prepared in accordance with U S. GAAP reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measure.
David Tuerff: Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our earnings release and the appendix of today's accompanying presentation. I'll now turn the call over to our founder and executive chairman, Bill Zartler. Thank you, David.
Yours are included in our earnings release, and the appendix of today's accompanying presentation I'll now turn the call over to our founder and executive Chairman Bill DARPA.
Thank you David 2023 was a fantastic year for the Arris business, we focused on fundamental execution, which includes profitability reduce working capital and improved our operational flexibility, while continuing to grow the business volumes were up 16% for the year and we recaptured margins, which had been eroded.
William A. Zartler: 2023 was a fantastic year for the Aris business. We focused on fundamental execution, which improved profitability, reduced working capital, and improved our operational flexibility while continuing to grow the business. Volumes were up 16% for the year, and we recaptured margins, which had been eroded by inflation and cost challenges driven by our rapid growth in late 2022. Strategically, we have remained disciplined in our approach to capital allocation.
By inflation and cost challenges driven by rapid growth in late 2022 strategically we remain disciplined in our approach to capital allocation.
William A. Zartler: We're growing organically under long-term contractual agreements while selectively evaluating and closing new agreements in an improving pricing environment. There is greater demand for water infrastructure in the northern Delaware Basin than there are existing assets, and we have the opportunity to participate in further growth at attractive rates of return. Inorganically, we've maintained similar discipline with a continued focus on strategic fit and accretion across all metrics in both the short and long term. Our conservative balance sheet and ample liquidity give us the flexibility to invest when the timing and economics are most compelling.
Growing organically under long term contractual agreements, while selectively evaluating and closing new agreements and improving pricing environment.
Greater demand for water infrastructure in the northern Delaware basin than there are existing assets and we have the opportunity to participate in further growth at attractive rates of return.
Inorganically, we maintained similar disciplined with a continued focus on strategic fit and accretion across all metrics in both the short and long term.
Our conservative balance sheet, and ample liquidity give us the flexibility to invest when the timing and economics are most compelling.
William A. Zartler: Looking to 2024, we're excited about the business and our opportunity set. We will benefit from our prior capital investments and anticipate being able to better leverage the system to improve capital efficiency going forward. Combined with continued operational and commercial improvements, we anticipate sustained positive free cash flow for the year, which will improve our options for capital allocation, which can include increasing our shareholder returns. Our team is focused on continuing the strong execution we demonstrated in 2023, operating safely and reliably for our employees and customers while enhancing water sustainability in the Permian Basin. With that, I'll turn it over to Amanda.
Looking to 2024, we're excited about the business and our opportunity set we will benefit from our prior capital investments and anticipate being able to better leverage the system to improve capital efficiency going forward.
Combined with continued operational and commercial improvements, we anticipate sustained positive free cash flow for the year, which will improve our options for capital allocation, which can include increasing our shareholder returns. Our team is focused on continuing the strong execution, we demonstrated in 2023 operating safely and reliably for our employees.
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I'll turn it over to Amanda.
Amanda M. Brock: Thank you, Bill. I'd like to start off by echoing Bill's comments. We had an outstanding year, delivering great results quarter over quarter, and we enter 2024 with significant positive momentum. I want to recognize the tremendous efforts of the Aris team, who worked extremely hard and performed consistently above expectations. I'm immensely proud of our collective achievement.
Thank you Bill.
I'd like to start off by echoing Bill's comments, we have not standing yeah, delivering great results quarter over quarter, and we enter 2024 with significant positive momentum.
I want to recognize the tremendous effort the arris team, who worked extremely hard and perform consistently above expectations immensely proud of our collective achievements.
At the outset of 2023, we said, we would improve profitability, while continuing our rapid pace of growth and infrastructure expansion.
Amanda M. Brock: At the outset of 2023, we said we would improve profitability while continuing our rapid pace of growth and infrastructure expansion. While there is still work to do, we exceeded our annual goals, expanding margins by more than 10% and improving operational and financial efficiency. We maintained a strong rate of growth.
While there is still work to do we exceeded our annual goal of expanding margins by more than 10% and improving operational and financial efficiency. We maintained a strong agent growth, we increased produced water volumes, 19% and water solutions volumes, 9%, Yeah, Ravi, yes, which cause.
Amanda M. Brock: We increased produced water volumes 19% and water solutions volumes 9% year-over-year, which combined with our expanded margins, culminated in a just-to-keep-it-dar of $175 million, up 17% for the year and exceeding the upper end of our guidance range. In our produced water business, we averaged 1.1 million barrels per day for the fourth quarter, ahead of our expectations, and continued our sequential growth for the ninth consecutive quarter. As we've previously discussed, we have allocated additional resources to skim oil recovery and averaged approximately 1,360 barrels per day in the fourth quarter ahead of expectations due primarily to higher volumes from flowbacks and operational improvements. Our large-scale infrastructure and proven ability to deliver treated water in large quantities again allowed us to win additional spot business, driving higher-than-anticipated water solutions volumes in the fourth quarter. As we've previously seen, the water solutions business can be lumpy, and higher water volumes in the fourth quarter were also a function of a pull forward of activity originally scheduled for the first quarter of 2024. As operators limit their use of groundwater, the growth of produced water recycling in the Permian Basin has been unprecedented.
Bind with our expanded margins culminated in adjusted EBITDA of $175 million up 17% for the year and exceeding the upper end of our guidance range.
And our produced water business, we averaged $1 1 million barrels per day for the fourth quarter ahead of our expectations and continued on sequential growth for the ninth consecutive quarter.
As we've previously discussed we have allocated additional resources to skim oil recovery and averaged approximately 1360 barrels per day in the fourth quarter ahead of expectations due primarily to higher volumes from play back and operational improvements.
Our large scale infrastructure and proven ability to deliver treated water in large quantities again allowed us to win additional spot business driving higher than anticipated warranty solutions volumes in the fourth quarter.
As we've previously seen the water solutions business can be lumpy and higher water volumes in our phone coach as well also a function of a pull forward of activity originally scheduled for the first quarter of 2024.
As operations limit the use of ground water the grounds of produced water recycling and the Permian basin has been unprecedented.
Amanda M. Brock: Our water recycling and sourcing business sold 482,000 barrels of water per day, or over 44 million barrels in the fourth quarter alone, growing 5% sequentially and 32% year over year. We are extremely proud of this growth and our success in managing costs and logistics while optimizing the use of our infrastructure and enhancing water sustainability in the Permian Basin. Over the course of 2023, we reduced rental equipment and diesel fuel expenses by converting facilities to permanent electrified infrastructure.
What should we be citing a sourcing business. So 482000 barrels of water per day, all of the 44 million barrels in the fourth quarter, and then growing 5% sequentially and 32% year over year. We are extremely proud of this growth and our success in managing constantly.
While optimizing the use of our infrastructure and enhancing void of sustainability in the Permian basin.
Over the course of 'twenty two 'twenty three we reduced rent looks like mentioned diesel fuel expenses by convention facilities to permanent electrified infrastructure. We reduced these costs by approximately $7 6 million on an annualized basis exceeding the target we set at the beginning of a yeah.
Amanda M. Brock: We reduced these costs by approximately $7.6 million on an annualized basis, exceeding the target we set at the beginning of the year. We have additional facilities identified for conversion and believe that we can capture further electrification savings in 2024. In terms of revenue, the largest of our annual CPI escalations took effect at the beginning of the third quarter and, combined with the success of our electrification projects and rental expense reductions, drove significant margin expansion of five cents per barrel since our cost peaked in the middle of 2022. We've also made a lot of progress in the field piloting technologies for the treatment of produced water for beneficial reuse.
We have additional facilities identified full conversion and believe that we can capture further electrification savings in 'twenty 'twenty four.
In terms of revenue the largest biannual CPI escalations took effect at the beginning of the fed contests and combined with the success of our electrification projects and rental expense reductions drove significant margin expansion of five cents per barrel since all costs peaked in the middle of 2022.
We've also made a lot of progress in the field piloting technologies for the treatment of produced water for beneficial reuse.
Amanda M. Brock: The results have been promising, and a lot of lessons have been learned as we focus on costs and treatment technologies that can operate consistently at scale. Working with our industry partners, ConocoPhillips, Chevron, and ExxonMobil, we will be piloting and evaluating two additional desalination technologies, and we'll also be evaluating the commercial viability of mineral extraction from our produced water. We look forward to updating you next quarter. Looking ahead to 2024, we will continue to work closely with our customers to be their partner of choice delivering safe, reliable, and sustainable water infrastructure solutions. Volumetrically, as the basin matures and our customers' pace of growth moderates, we anticipate our own water volume growth will more closely mirror oil production growth in the northern Delaware basin, with year-over-year volumes expected to be up approximately 2% to 5% after adjusting for prior asset divestitures.
The results have been promising.
Lots of lessons learned as we focus on costs and treatment technologies that can operate consistently at scale working with our industry partners Conocophillips Chevron and Exxon level, we will be piloting and evaluating two additional desalination technologies and will also be evaluating the commercial viability of mineral extra.
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We look forward to updating you next quarter.
Looking ahead to 2024, we continue to work closely with our customers to be their partner of choice delivering safe reliable and sustainable water infrastructure solutions.
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Steve: In addition to the sustainable growth rate, we expect to benefit from improved profitability from the positive momentum on margins coming out of last year, additional operating cost reductions in chemicals, filtration, and waste disposal, as well as further contractual revenue escalation. With considerable investment to date in our infrastructure and greater operational visibility and flexibility through our control room and automation efficiencies, we also anticipate being able to more fully leverage our existing assets this year, which should allow us to bring our capital spending down by approximately 40% versus 2023. Steve will expand on the details, but sustainable volume growth, our anticipated continued expansion of operating margins, and significantly reduced capital spending set up 2024 as a pivotal year for Aris as we anticipate sustained positive free cash flow.
In addition to the sustainable growth rate, we expect to benefit from improved profitability from the positive momentum on margins coming out of last year, additional operating cost reductions and chemicals filtration and waste disposal as well as further contractual revenue escalation.
Considerable investment to date in our infrastructure and greater operational visibility and flexibility to our control room and automation efficiencies. We also anticipate being able to more fully leverage our existing assets this year, which should allow us to bring our capital spending down by approximately 40% that's just <unk>.
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Steve will expand on the details, but sustainable volume growth. Our anticipated continued expansion of operating margins and significantly reduced capital spending that's up 2024 as a pivotal year for arris as we anticipate sustained positive free cash flow are compelling.
Steve: Our compelling outlook for this year is a testament to our keen focus on margins and the hard work and consistent results of our team delivered in 2023, and we're excited by our continued momentum into the first quarter of 2024. With that, I'll turn it over to Steve to discuss our financial results for the quarter and details on our outlook for 2024. Thank you, Amanda.
Look for this year is a testament to our keen focus on margin and the hard work and consistent results about teams delivered in 'twenty three.
Excited by our continued momentum into the first quarter of 'twenty 'twenty four with that I'll turn it over to Steve to discuss our financial results for the quarter and details on our outlook for 2024.
Thank you Amanda we reported adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of $49 $3 million up 37% from the fourth quarter of 2022 and up 10% sequentially from the third quarter of 2023 again exceeding expectations for the quarter. The sequential increase was largely due to additional short cycle commercial with.
Steve: We recorded adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of $49.3 million, up 37% from the fourth quarter of 2022 and up 10% sequentially from the third quarter of 2023, again exceeding expectations for the quarter. The sequential increase was largely due to additional short-cycle commercial wins and some pull-forward of activity and water solutions, higher than anticipated skim oil recoveries, and lower G&A costs. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA of $175 million was above the high end of our original guidance.
And some pull forward of activity in water solutions higher than anticipated skim oil recoveries and lower G&A costs.
For the full year adjusted EBITDA of $175 million was above the high end of our original guidance.
For capital expenditures, we incurred approximately $20 million in the quarter, bringing us to $156 million for the year below the low end of our guidance as we were able to optimize and better leverage our existing assets and defer a portion of our capital spend into this year.
Steve: For capital expenditures, we incurred approximately $20 million in the quarter, bringing us to $156 million for the year, below the low end of our guidance as we were able to optimize and better leverage our existing assets and defer a portion of our capital expenditures into this year. For the year, ongoing process improvements delivered an almost 41% decrease in net working capital in a period that saw revenue grow more than 22%, driving a $43 million working capital benefit. Taken together, our operational performance, lower capital investment, and working capital improvements delivered $14 million in positive free cash flow in 2023. Looking ahead for the year 2024, we expect the produced water volume to be between 1.02 and 1.07 million barrels of water per day, up approximately 2 to 5% year over year when adjusted for the impact of our Martin County asset sale completed in the third quarter of last year. We're forecasting skim oil recoveries of approximately 1,300 barrels of oil per day at an average WTI price of $76 per barrel.
For the year ongoing process improvements delivered an almost 41% decrease in networking capital in a period, which saw revenue grow more than 22% driving a $43 million working capital benefit.
Taken together, our operational performance lower capital investment and working capital improvements delivered $14 million and positive free cash flow in 2023.
Looking ahead for the year 2024, we expect produced water volume to be between 1.02, and 1.07 million barrels of water per day.
Approximately two 5% year over year when adjusted for the impact of our Martin County asset sale completed in the third quarter of last year.
We're forecasting skim oil recoveries of approximately 1300 barrels of oil per day.
At an average W. T I price of $76 per barrel and as a reminder, each $1 change in oil prices relative to expectations correspond to a change of $475000 in EBITDA per year.
For the water solutions business, we expect first quarter volumes averaged 325 to 345000 barrels per day.
Steve: And as a reminder, each $1 change in oil price relative to expectations would correspond to a change of $475,000 in EBITDA per year. For the water solutions business, we expect first quarter volumes to average 325 to 345,000 barrels per day and expect full-year volumes of between 430,000 and 470,000 barrels per day, approximately flat year-over-year, which corresponds with currently forecasted Permian Basin rig and frack crew counts. As we've seen in the past couple of years, water solutions volumes generally ramp up throughout the year as operator capital budgets are refreshed and wells are drilled in the first half of the year, with flowback activity concentrated in the back half of the year. With the cost reductions Amanda referenced, a focus on continuous improvement, and contractual tailwinds from inflation-based rate escalations, we forecast margins between $0.42 and $0.44 per barrel for the year, which represents a 10% increase at the midpoint relative to 2023.
And expect full year volumes of between 430, and 470000 barrels per day, approximately flat year over year, which corresponds with currently forecasted Permian basin rig and Frac crew counts.
As we've seen in the past couple of years water solutions volumes generally ramp up throughout the year as operator capital budgets or refresh and wells are drilled in the first half of the year with flow back activity concentrated in the back half of the year.
With the cost reductions Amanda referenced our focus on continuous improvement and contractual tailwind from inflation based rate Escalations, we forecast margins between 42, and 44 cents per barrel for the year, which represents a 10% increase at the midpoint relative to 2023.
Given the outlook from our customers and continued operational improvements we are forecasting adjusted EBITDA of $180 million to $200 million for 2024, increasing 9% versus 2023 at the midpoint.
Alongside a moderating growth outlooks from our customers and our ability to drive further capital efficiencies, we anticipate capital expenditures to total between 85 and $105 million for the year, including 12 million to $16 million of maintenance and system optimization capital and approximately 40% reduction versus 2023.
Steve: Given the outlook from our customers and continued operational improvements, we are forecasting adjusted EBITDA of $180 to $200 million for 2024, increasing 9% versus 2023 at the mid-term. Alongside a moderating growth outlook from our customers and our ability to drive further capital efficiencies, we anticipate capital expenditures to total between $85 and $105 million for the year, including $12 million to $16 million of maintenance and system optimization capital, an approximately 40% reduction versus 2023. The higher end of the range includes potential business development projects under evaluation that could deliver incremental earnings in 2025 and beyond. For the first quarter, we anticipate $30 to $35 million in capital expenditures as our spending is expected to be weighted towards the first half of the year.
The higher end of the range includes potential business development projects under evaluation, which could deliver incremental earnings in 2025 and beyond.
For the first quarter, we anticipate $30 million to $35 million of capital expenditures, our spending is expected to be weighted towards the first half of the year.
With continued earnings growth and significantly reduced capital expenditures, we anticipate 2024 to deliver a clear and sustained free cash flow inflection point for arris.
We anticipate generating free cash flow of $45 million to $65 million for the year, which will give us the optionality to evaluate greater shareholder returns through either dividend growth or share repurchases.
Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with a healthy debt to adjusted EBITDA of two four times below the low end of our long term leverage target and $330 million of available liquidity, which provides us with significant financial flexibility.
Finally for the first quarter of 2024, we declared our 10th consecutive dividend of <unk> per share to be paid March 20, <unk> to shareholders of record as of March seven.
With that I'll turn it over to Amanda to wrap up.
Steve: With continued earnings growth and significantly reduced capital expenditures, we anticipate 2024 to deliver a clear and sustained free cash flow inflection point for Aris. We anticipate generating free cash flow of $45 to $65 million for the year, which will give us the optionality to evaluate greater shareholder returns through either dividend growth or share repurchase. Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with a healthy debt-to-adjusted EBITDA of 2.4 times, below the low end of our long-term leverage target, and $330 million of available liquidity, which provides us with significant financial flexibility. Finally, for the first quarter of 2024, we declared our 10th consecutive dividend of $0.09 per share to be paid on March 21st to shareholders of record as of March 7th.
Thanks, Steve to close I want to again highlight the success of 2023 I'm consistent execution across the year and then the mention it provides us looking forward into 2024, we've made great progress in our business today is more efficient more profitable and more predict.
Which is evident in our 2023 myself.
We are not done.
In 2024, and we will continue to identify new opportunities for growth execute on additional cost reductions and margin expansion and further leverage our existing assets to deliver increased value for our business.
Our reduced capital spending will allow us to achieve greater free cash flow and provide us the opportunity to increase shareholder returns.
With that we're happy to take questions.
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Amanda M. Brock: With that, I'll turn it over to Amanda to wrap things up. Thanks, Steve. To close, I want to again highlight the success of 2023, our consistent execution across the year, and the momentum it provides us looking forward into 2024. We've made great progress, and our business today is more efficient, more profitable, and more predictable, which is evident in our 2023 results. We are not done. In 2024, we will continue to identify new opportunities for growth, execute on additional cost reductions and margin expansion, and further leverage our existing assets to deliver increased value from our business. Our reduced capital spending will allow us to achieve greater free cash flow and provide us with the opportunity to increase shareholder returns.
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Comes from the line of Spiro <unk> with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Add on for Spiro, just starting off how would you stack the priority for excess cash flow here given your under your leverage target and where would M&A fall on that.
Good morning, Spiro and thanks, Paul Thanks for the questions.
In terms of priorities, we're thinking about everything suntans instead of responding as to what we're going to do I think it's early we have those conversations all the time, obviously, there's the buybacks the the dividend is a paying down debt.
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We are going to continue to evaluate that and just expect to be talked to everybody about that later in the quarter, Jay sorry, Nathan Yeah.
Okay makes sense and I guess, just kind of thinking about 'twenty free was a year of execution for you and you've largely met those goals. How are you thinking about what the focus will be for 2024.
Operator: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the start button. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis with Citi. Please proceed with my question. For Spiro, just starting off, how would you stack the priority for excess cash flow here given you're under your leverage target, and where would M&A fall on that? Morning, Spiro, and thanks for the question.
We continue we're going to continue to be very focused on execution.
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And expansion in our core business working with our customers on additional growth opportunities.
Adjacent to our core system. So we continue to see.
And also looking at other opportunities that may be that as it relates to a beneficial reuse mineral extraction, but I think we're just going to continue to have our heads down and execute and feel very optimistic about 24.
Amanda M. Brock: In terms of priorities, we're thinking about everything, so in terms of sort of responding as to what we're going to do, I think it's early. We have those conversations all the time. Obviously, there are the buybacks, there's the dividend, there's the paying down of debt. We are going to continue to evaluate that and just expect to be talking to everybody about that later in the quarter, sorry, later in the year. Okay, makes sense. And I guess just kind of thinking about 23 being a year of execution for you, and you've largely met those goals.
Okay. It makes sense thanks for the time.
Thanks, Andrew.
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Hello, operator.
Jackie Your line is maybe muted.
Hi, good morning, Congrats on a great quarter here.
First I'd just like to start on volumes. So it seems that the first quarter seems to be flat at the mid point sequentially, but with upside to be better is.
Amanda M. Brock: How are you thinking about what the focus will be for 2024? We continue to be, we're going to continue to be very focused, Spiro, on execution. We still see opportunity for, you know, mining expansion in our core business, working with our customers on additional growth opportunities adjacent to our core system. So we continue to see execution and also look at other opportunities that may be there as it relates to our beneficial reuse, and mineral extraction, but I think we're just going to continue to keep our heads down and execute and feel very optimistic about 24. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the time. Thanks, Spiro. Law Operator. Uh, Jackie, your line is, um, maybe muted.
Is that upside could that come from a carry forward from a better fourth quarter.
And understanding that there is a seasonality factor here it seems as though the first quarter is higher than the full year guide could you give us your thoughts on how volume should trend throughout the year.
Thanks, Jackie and thanks for the question Great question I'm going to let Steve take that on to explain how we see this is backend weighted.
Jackie I think when you look at some of the public commentary from some of our larger customers they've indicated some of the volume profile. They expect throughout the year and so a lot of that flows into our own internal forecasts when.
Operator: Hi, good morning. Congratulations on a great quarter here. First, I'd just like to start on volume, so it seems that the first quarter seems to be flat at the midpoint sequentially, but with upside to be better. Is that upside, could that come from a carry forward from a better fourth quarter?
When we provide our outlook, we do get about six months notice from our customers. We have very good line of sight in the first half of the year and we do start working you know further out beyond that.
Although more providing guidance around the volumetric outlook, we're very deliberate around what we put out based on what we know what we're confident in so as we move through the year we'll.
Steve: And understanding that there is a seasonality factor here, it seems as though the first quarter is higher than the full year guide. Could you give us your thoughts on how volume should trend throughout the year? Thanks, Jackie. And thanks for the question.
We'll see where our customers come out with a refined volumes there could be upside from from greater activity as we get into the back half of the year.
Great Tom.
That makes sense. Thank you and then just.
Steve: I'm going to let Steve take that and explain how we see this as back end weighted. Yeah, and Jackie, I think when you look at some of the public commentary from some of our larger customers, they've indicated some of the volume profile they expect throughout the year. And so a lot of that flows into our own internal forecasts. When we provide our outlooks, you know, we do get about a six-month notice from our customers. We have a very good line of sight in the first half of the year, and we do start working, you know, further out beyond that. But when we're providing guidance around the volumetric outlook, we're very deliberate about what we put out based on what we know and what we're confident in.
On margins you mentioned further margin improvement for 2024.
And you mentioned that there may be further efficiency initiatives.
The cost side, what specifically are those initiatives for 2024 and in that context. When you look at better margin guidance for the year is that what's driving the higher outlook here are fees also doing some of that work.
So when we look at all operations, we are constantly looking to places that we can drive costs down so when I think about 'twenty four and working with the team we got to be very focused on the reuse area chemicals across the system labor productivity also very focused on <unk>.
Steve: So as we move through the year, we'll see where our customers come out with refined volumes. There could be upside from greater activity as we get to the back half of the year. Great. That makes sense.
Based in filtration and what we can do to reduce costs in those areas. We will have some continued electrification, which will continue to drive costs down. So Jackie it's really a combination of things looking across our entire portfolio and being very deliberate as we sort of manage our costs and identify opportunities for efficiency.
Amanda M. Brock: Thank you. And then just on margins, you mentioned further margin improvement for 2024. And you mentioned that there may be further efficiency initiatives on the cost side. What specifically are those initiatives for 2024?
In terms of margins driving.
Amanda M. Brock: And in that context, when you look at better margin guidance for the year, is that what's driving the higher outlook here, or are fees also doing some of that work? So when we look at our operations, we are constantly looking for places that we can drive costs down. So when I think about 24 and working with the team, we're going to be very focused on the reuse area, chemicals across the system, labor productivity, and also very focused on waste and filtration and what we can do to reduce costs in those areas. We will have some continued electrification, which will continue to drive costs down. So, Jackie, it's really a combination of things, looking across our entire portfolio and being very deliberate as we sort of manage our costs and identify opportunities for efficiency.
It is a margin story on rates, we have in fed rates.
We from those take rates as you know from our contracts we have the revenue reset with CPI and we have CPI ready that comes across the year with two big adjustments at the end of.
March at the end of Q2 Q3, and then in in January So, it's a function of rates and margin.
Great. Thank you so much and congrats again.
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Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eli chosen with J P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning, everyone. So just wanted to circle back to the free cash flow deployment.
So you alluded to potentially increasing shareholder returns.
Should we expect the dividend raise in 2024, otherwise what color can you add for those are potential to increase shareholder returns. Thanks.
Yeah. Good morning, Thanks for joining us.
Amanda M. Brock: In terms of margin driving, you know, it is a margin story on rates. We have set rates, but from those set rates, as you know from our contracts, we have the revenue reset with CPI. And we have CPI, really, that comes across the year with two big adjustments at the end of March, at the end of Q2, actually, Q3, and then in January. So it's a function of rates and margins. Great, thank you so much, and congrats again.
You saw the press release and in our facial statements. Our leverage is very low relative to our targets. So no need to allocate capital to further debt reduction.
At this time, so it leaves you to either dividends or share repurchases.
Purchases would exacerbate some of the issues, we see from a low float that's out there, but when you step back you know, we're a far cry from where we think the intrinsic value of our stock is and so theres. Some compelling value we look at potential repurchases, so dividends repurchases or a combination of both are on the table, we're working through that and it's amazing what we've got.
Steve: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Eli Hosen with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question. Hey, good morning everyone.
You guys here later in the year.
Steve: So, just wanted to circle back to the free cash flow deployment. You alluded to potentially increasing shareholder returns. Should we expect a dividend raise in 2024?
Okay look forward to that and then maybe just as a follow up.
In the release you also touched on your recent divestiture of noncore assets that kind of allows for capital redeployment into higher return organic projects.
Maybe just a little bit more color on what those types of projects might look like.
Steve: Otherwise, what color can you add for the potential to increase shareholder returns? Thanks. Yeah, no, good morning.
Yeah.
Certainly I mean, we are seeing a lot of projects right now, particularly in a I'll call. It some in in Northern Lea County area. These are just going to be additional projects working with our customers, where we expand our system to capture additional volumes at very attractive rates.
Steve: Thanks for joining us. Yeah, as you saw in the press release and in our financial statements, our leverage is very low relative to our target, so there is no need to allocate capital to further debt reduction at this time.
Steve: So it leads you to either dividends or share repurchases. I know repurchases would exacerbate some of the issues we see from the low flow that's out there. But when you step back, you know, we're a far cry from where we think the intrinsic value of our stock is.
Okay. Thanks again guys.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Don Crist with Johnson Rice. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning, Amanda and her team.
You made big strides on connecting your facilities to the grid last year can you remind us where you are in that process are you over halfway and connecting everything to the grid now and what kind of savings do you expect this year from from those efforts.
Steve: And so there's some compelling value when we look at potential repurchases. So dividends, repurchases, or accommodation of both are on the table. We're working through that, and as Amanda said, we'll be back to you guys later in the year. Okay, I look forward to that. And then, maybe just as a follow-up, in the release, you also touched on your recent divestiture of non-core assets that kind of allows for a capital redeployment into higher-return organic projects. Maybe just a little bit more color on what those types of projects might look like.
Good morning, John and we are more than halfway and we told you Steve is going to have the exact numbers for you.
Yes.
When we originally announced that we had 19 locations we're going to connect at this point, we've got 16 of those done. We've we do have two additional facilities. We've added to the list. So theres five done.
William A. Zartler: Certainly. I mean, we're seeing a lot of projects right now, particularly in our core, some in the Northern Lee County area. These are just going to be additional projects working with our customers where we expand our system to capture additional volumes at, you know, very attractive rates. Okay, thanks again, guys.
Meaning out of the 21 and at this point you know, we're mostly waiting on excel the unregulated utility to get there. So we are in the queue, but we're at their mercy, a little bit, but we've made significant progress.
The recycling facilities would you have another two locations are there so well over the halfway mark, but we will see some incremental margin improvement. This year from those as you know Dan we indicated that we hope to achieve seven five savings by.
Steve: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Don Crist with Johnson Rice. Please proceed with your question. Good morning, Amanda and team.
Amanda M. Brock: You made big strides in connecting your facilities to the grid last year. Can you remind us where you are in that process? Are you over halfway to connecting everything to the grid now? And what kind of savings do you expect this year from those efforts? Morning, John. We are more than halfway, and as we told you, Steve's going to have the exact numbers for you. Hey, Don.
Georgia, but actually connecting all of those systems and we finished the year with more to go and actually achieving $7 6 million in savings.
Yeah, it's great progress and our mandate is.
You'll indulge me just a little bit from where I sit I'm I'm asked a lot about Oss consolidation and M&A in the light of E&P consolidation and you know them.
Steve: When we originally announced that we had 19 locations we were going to connect, at this point, we've got 16 of those done. But we do have two additional facilities we've added to the list, so there are five remaining out of that 21. And at this point, you know, we're mostly waiting on Accel, the regulated utility, to get there. So we're in the queue, but we're at their mercy a little bit, but we've made significant progress. On recycling facilities, we do have another two locations there, so we are well over the halfway mark.
My answer to investors are you know the water.
Industry in general, especially in the Permian is kind of ripe for M&A, given the large amount of private equity on on that side of the business.
From where you sit not saying that youre going to do a lot of M&A, but from where do you sit do you see that industry.
As ripe for consolidation as we kind of move through 'twenty, four and into 'twenty five.
Question, Don I'm going to let bill.
Bill on for that because we are having this conversation all the time.
The market is fairly fragmented and there's a couple of larger players out there.
Amanda M. Brock: But we'll see some incremental margin improvement this year for those. As you know, Don, we indicated that we hope to achieve, you know, 7.5 savings by... about actually connecting all of those systems and really finish the year with more to go and actually achieve $7.6 million in savings. Yeah, it's great progress.
Fragmented players do and will need to be consolidated I think our focus has really been on making sure that what we do is truly accretive to our business, we have such great long term contracts and customers.
That is hard to evaluate those in light of where we're valued today and using using our equity.
Anything that may be dilutive in any form or fashion. So we do think the industry is ready for some level of consolidation.
William A. Zartler: And Amanda, if you'll excuse me just a little bit, you know, from where I sit, I'm asked a lot about OFS consolidation and M&A in the light of E&P consolidation, and my answer to investors is, you know, the water industry in general, especially in the Permian, is kind of ripe for M&A given the large amount of private equity on that side of the business. So from where you sit, not saying that you're going to do a lot of M&A, but from where you sit, do you see that industry? as right for consolidation as we kind of move through 24 and into 25. Great question, Don.
The challenges around the Delaware basin versus the Midland Basin.
Landowners and their ability to extract value in these complex systems or at least integrating systems makes it more challenging but we are in the middle and constantly evaluating all of the opportunities to consolidate but we think that you should be over time consolidated.
I appreciate the color. Thank you. Thanks again.
John.
Yeah.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Selman Alcove.
With Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
William A. Zartler: I'm going to let Bill take the lead on that because we're having this conversation all the time. Yeah, I mean, Diane, the market is fairly fragmented. There are a couple of larger players out there, but the fragmented players do and will need to be consolidated.
Thank you good morning, Al I'm sorry.
I just wanted to start with you in your opening comments, you talked about how higher spot volumes.
You know were helpful and so maybe you could just talk about what really drove that and then as well as we're two months into the first quarter. How you saw that cadence are you know.
William A. Zartler: I think that our focus has really been on making sure that what we do is truly accretive to our business. We have such great long-term contracts and customers that it's hard to evaluate those in light of where we're valued today and using our equity in anything that may be dilutive in any form or fashion. So we do think the industry is ready for some level of consolidation. However, the challenges around the Delaware Basin versus the Midland Basin and landowners and their ability to extract value from these complex systems or at least integrated systems make it more challenging. But we are in the middle and constantly evaluating all of the opportunities to consolidate what we think should be an over time consolidation. I appreciate the color.
Progress as we moved into the new year.
Yeah. So we mentioned the highest spot volumes, we were able to.
Bring those in and what we've talked about is when there is availability on a system going out to our customers and bringing volumes in on an interruptible basis. That's as it relates to disposal well, we were really referring to is bringing in additional water solutions business. That's a much shorter cycle business.
And youre looking constantly for opportunities, where somebody may need additional water for completions and so in Q4, we mentioned, bringing in some volumes from Q1 'twenty for them and also being able to sort of a win additional business. It's just very fluid and we are well positioned with.
Donald Peter Crist: Thank you. Thanks again. Thanks, John. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Selman Alco with Stiefel.
Operator: Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Good morning, all.
Traffic reach and the number of recycling locations, we have to actually win additional spot business.
Amanda M. Brock: So I just want to start with, in your opening comments, you talked about how higher spot volumes, you know, were helpful. And so maybe you could just talk about what really drove that, and then, as we're two months into the first quarter, how you saw that cadence, you know, progress as we moved into the new year. And so we mentioned the higher spot volumes we were able to bring those in. And what we've talked about is when there is availability on our system, going out to our customers and bringing volumes in on an interruptible basis, that is, as it relates to disposal. What we were really referring to is bringing in additional water solutions businesses; that's a much shorter cycle business, and you're constantly looking for opportunities where somebody may need additional water for completion.
Understood. Thank you for that and then also I think you referenced sort of.
1000, and 360 barrels of skim oil.
And then your guidance is 1300, and so is that just conservatism because you know if you expect volumes to ramp across your system wouldn't we naturally expect that to move higher as well.
So if the level is of looking at what we tend to get over time.
When we mentioned the 1036 skim oil barrels we also indicated that it seemed to be higher as a consequence of Slovak. We also had some benefit of price and so we do see some lumpiness in it.
Amanda M. Brock: And so in Q4, we mentioned bringing in some volumes from Q1-24 and also being able to sort of win additional business. It's just very fluid, and we are well positioned with our geographic reach and the number of recycling locations we have to actually win additional spot business. I understand. Thank you for that. And then also, I think you referenced, sort of, 1,360 barrels of skim oil, and then your guidance is 1,300. So is that just conservatism?
And those skim volumes. So we are just estimating that over the year, we will sort of have steady state at that 1300 barrels a day.
Got it thank you so much.
Okay.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Daniel with Daniel Energy. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you.
Good morning, guys.
Amanda this might be a this might be a rookie question and it is a bit of a long term one but when.
When you think about how important water recycling as to your customers yeah their ESG goals.
And perhaps high switching costs I'm not sure if that's a if that's right or not but I would I would think so how old that ultimately influence.
Amanda M. Brock: Because, you know, if you expect volumes to ramp up across your system, wouldn't we naturally expect that to move higher as well? So it's a question of looking at what we tend to get over time. When we mentioned the 1,036 skim oil barrels, we also indicated that it seemed to be higher as a consequence of flowback. We also had some benefit of price. And so we do see some lumpiness in those skim volumes.
Pricing strategy as contracts mature years down the road.
It seems like pricing because I have a biased higher overtime.
John I don't think you've ever had a rookie question, but good question. So yes.
The the relationships, we have with our customers and as a consequence of the physical infrastructure, we have and the volumes we aggregate in order to deliver these large quantities of water to our customers as they need more and more with these multiple fracs.
Amanda M. Brock: So we are just estimating that over the year, we will sort of have a steady state at that 1,300 barrels a day. Got it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Daniel with Daniel and New. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Good morning, guys.
The relationships are very sticky I think as contracts rolled off and as there is more demand in the basin for reuse that Susquehanna. For example, I do think that there will be pricing power. We will also see some pricing power and rate increase over time and our disposal business.
Amanda M. Brock: Amanda, this might be a rookie question, and it is a bit of a long-term one when you think about how important water recycling is to your customers, their ESG goals, and perhaps their high switching costs. I'm not sure if that's right or not, but I would think so. How will that ultimately influence pricing strategy as contracts mature years down the road? I feel like pricing could have a higher bias over here. John, I don't think you've ever had a rookie question, but a good question.
As volumes just over the base and continue to increase.
Got it okay. Thank you and then when I look at the customer list you guys have which is a very good one and many of those are the people that are viewed as the likely consolidators.
I know in some of the dumb iron oil service business isn't that's determined in doing that but those types of companies will switch to their incumbent providers pretty quickly because of service and reliability I'm curious like what happens when a big company a buys company be your customer they've got a different water infrastructure partner, how quickly do they want to check.
Amanda M. Brock: So, yes, the relationships we have with our customers and, as a consequence of the physical infrastructure we have and the volumes we aggregate in order to deliver these large quantities of water to our customers as they need more and more with these multiple fracks, the relationships are very sticky. I think as contracts roll off, and as there is more demand in the basin for reuse versus groundwater, for example, I do think that there will be pricing power. We will also see some pricing power and rate increases over time in our disposal business as volumes just over the basin continue to increase. God, okay? Thank you.
You do the channels just any thoughts on that would be helpful to me.
Let me answer sort of from a legal perspective first all contracts, which are long term contracts without cost, yes, I'll sort of covenants running with that so what that means is even if they sell or consolidate.
We'll still have that contract in effect, so we have contractual.
Support, but bill why don't you respond to that we've seen that happen, Wisconsin rolling into Conoco.
Chris relationship already and continues to get more business from kind of go along the way and so that's the takeaway piece of this and the infrastructure required is this is a midstream business. These are long term contracts right.
Amanda M. Brock: And then when I look at the customer list you guys have, which is a very good one, and many of those are the people that are viewed as the likely consolidators. I know in some of the dumb iron oil service businesses, and that's a term of endearment, but those types of companies will switch to their incumbent providers pretty quickly because of service and reliability. I'm curious, like, what happens when a big company A buys a big company B, your customer, they've got a different water infrastructure partner, how quickly do they want to change? Do they change?
But in order to facilitate the oilfield services part of this if you will the water recycling. That's in high demand you have to have the infrastructure in place to be able to deliver and control those volumes, which we do under those contracts and so the.
Stickiness is around the infrastructure and its ability to perform more than it is that relationship per se. So I think that ultimately the sticky part of it that business is that we will perform virtually 100% of time because the infrastructure is there the buffer ponds are there the pumps are there the massive amounts of their water plus other peoples.
Amanda M. Brock: Just any thoughts on that would be helpful to me. And, let me answer, sort of from a legal perspective first: our contracts, which are long-term contracts with our customers, are sort of covenants running with the land. So what that means is even if they sell or consolidate, they will still have that contract in effect. So we have contractual support. But Bill, why did you want to respond to that? John, we've seen that happen before with Concho rolling into Conoco.
After that we can blend in tree and redeliver fairly strict frac is just impossible to replicate.
Fair enough. Okay. Thank you for indulging me again, guys I appreciate it.
Thank you there are no further questions at this time I'd like to pass the floor back over to Amanda Brock for closing remarks.
Very much.
First of all I want to thank everybody, who called in and our customers who we continue to work with very closely and appreciate we had a great year in 'twenty three and we are continuing to push hard into twentyfold because I work is not done so with that I want to especially thank our employees, who work so hard to deliver the great.
William A. Zartler: And I was impressed with the relationship already and continue to get more business from Conoco along the way. And so the takeaway piece of this and the infrastructure required is this is a midstream business. These are long-term contracts.
William A. Zartler: Right. But in order to facilitate the oilfield servicing part of this, if you will, the water recycling that's in high demand, you have to have the infrastructure in place to be able to deliver and control those volumes, which we do under those contracts. And so the stickiness is around the infrastructure and its ability to perform more than it is the relationship per se. And so I think that, ultimately, the sticky part of that business is that we will perform, you know, virtually 100 percent of the time because the infrastructure is there. The buffer ponds are there. The pumps are there, too. The massive amounts of their water plus other people's water that we can blend and treat and redeliver for these big tracks are, you know, just impossible to replicate.
Yeah, we had in 'twenty, three and provided us with this positive momentum into 'twenty fall. So we look forward to talking to you. All again later in the year.
This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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William A. Zartler: Okay, thank you for indulging me again, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to pass the floor back over to Amanda Brock for closing remarks. Thank you very much. First of all, I want to thank everybody who called in and our customers, whom we continue to work with very closely and appreciate. We had a great year in 23, and we are continuing to push hard into 24 because our work is not done. So with that, I want to especially thank our employees who worked so hard to deliver the great year we had in 23 and provided us with this positive momentum into 24. So we look forward to talking to you all again later in the year. This concludes today's telephone conversation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. [inaudible]
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