Q4 2023 Mammoth Energy Services Inc Earnings Call

Greetings and welcome to the Mammoth Energy services fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call.

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Ken Dennard: Thank you, sir. You may begin. Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone.

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Ken Dennard: Mammoth Energy assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statement. And with that, now I'd like to turn it over to Mammoth Energy CEO, Arty Straehla.

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Arty Straehla: Thank you, Ken. And good morning, everyone. I'll start with some overview comments about our business and the quarter as well as a recap of 2023 before discussing recent developments and expectations for 2024. Then I will turn the call over to Mark to cover the financials in more detail. As noted in our press release this morning, PREPA made a payment of $50.6 million earlier this week, and in combination with $13.4 million that was paid by PREPA in January, fully satisfied the obligations to SPCP Group and resulted in COBRA receiving approximately $9.6 million in cash. I'll have some additional updates relative to PREPA later in our prepared remarks. The fourth quarter proved to be even more challenging than we had originally anticipated, largely due to additional deferred activity by E&P companies, commodity price fluctuations, and customer budget exhaustion. As we had expected, the impact of these headwinds most directly impacted our well completion and sand divisions in the core.

I'll start with some overview comments about our business in the quarter as well as a recap of 2023 before discussing our recent developments and expectations for 2024, then I will turn the call over to Mark to cover the financials in more detail.

As noted in our press release this morning prep or made a payment of $56 million earlier this week and in combination with $13 4 million that was paid by PREPA in January fully savvis satisfied the obligations to SPC P group and resulted in Copa receiving approximately $9 6 million in cash.

I'll have some additional updates relative to PREPA later in our prepared remarks.

Fourth quarter proved to be an even more challenging than we had originally anticipated largely due to additional deferred activity by E&P companies commodity price fluctuations and customer budget exhaustion as.

As we had expected the impact of these headwinds most directly impacted our well completion and sand divisions in the quarter.

Arty Straehla: During the fourth quarter, we experienced a slight increase in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA in our infrastructure division, and we are encouraged by the recent bidding activity in this segment. The infrastructure investment and job tax are being released for infrastructure projects such as fiber engineering as well as transmission and distribution, and areas where we are excited participants, which gives us optimism for improvements in 2024. We remain very encouraged about the potential for continued growth in this sector, and we feel strongly that Mammoth's infrastructure business is well positioned for long-term growth in 2024 and beyond. The persistent challenges associated with lower U.S. onshore activity and the sustained weakness in natural gas basins during 2023, particularly in the second half of the year, resulted in continued utilization decline in our Well Completion Services Division. We remain extremely focused on our cost structure and managing capital expenditures. In our sand division, we experienced reduced demand due to softening macro conditions.

During the fourth quarter, we experienced a slight increase in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA and our infrastructure Division and we encourage we are encouraged by the recent bidding activity in this segment the infrastructure investment and jobs acts are being released for.

Infrastructure projects, such as fiber and engineering as well as transmission and distribution.

And areas, where we are excited participants, which gives us optimism for improvements in 2024.

We remain very encouraged about the potential for continued growth in this sector sector and we feel strongly that madness infrastructure business is well positioned for long term growth in 2024 and beyond.

The persistent challenges associated with lower U S onshore activity and the sustained weakness in natural gas basins. During 2023, particularly in the second half of the year resulted in continued utilization decline in our well completion services Division, we remain extremely focused on our cost structure and managing capital expenditures.

In our sand division, we experienced reduced demand due to softening macro conditions.

Arty Straehla: We anticipate higher demand in 2024 partially driven by Western Canada, which we expect to be accretive to current prices. We are also encouraged by industry expectations of a 10% increase in well completions and pressure pumping year over year, which will be the largest catalyst for our pumping fleets and sand business in 2024. Our team is managing this business efficiently, and we are building momentum that we believe will result in performance improvements in 2024. Despite the operational softness we've experienced this year, 2023 marked several accomplishments for Mammoth as we continued a significant debt refinancing transaction, began receiving payments from PREPA on our outstanding receivable, and entered into an agreement to monetize a portion of our outstanding PREPA receivable. This agreement allowed us to pull forward some of our capital expenditures, which we believe will benefit utilization in our Well Completion Services Division in the back half of 2024.

We anticipate higher demand in 2024, partially driven by Western Canada, which we expect to be accretive to current pricing.

We are also encouraged by industry expectations of a 10% increase in well completions in pressure pumping year over year, which will be the largest catalyst for our pumping fleets and sand business in 2020 for.

Our team is managing this business sufficiently and we are building momentum that we believe will result in performance improvements in 2024.

During the operational softness we've experienced over this year 2023 and March several accomplishments for mammoth as we continue to significant debt refinancing refinancing transaction began receiving payments from PREPA on our outstanding receivable and entered into an agreement to monetize a portion of our outstanding PREPA receivable.

This agreement allowed us to pull forward some of our capital expenditures, which we believe will benefit utilization in our well completion services division in the back half of 2024.

Arty Straehla: In 2023, we entered into a new revolving credit facility agreement and a new term loan agreement which refinanced in full Mammoth's indebtedness outstanding under a previous revolving credit facility. We believe these new agreements provide Mammoth with a solid liquidity base for years to come. In addition, our Board of Directors approved a stock repurchase program pursuant to which Mammoth is authorized to repurchase up to the lesser of $55 million or 10 million shares of our common stock, subject to certain factors.

In 2023, we entered into a new revolving credit facility agreement and a new term loan agreement, which refinanced info mammoths indebtedness outstanding under our previous revolving credit facility. We believe these new agreements provide mammoth with a solid liquidity base for years to come.

In addition, our board of directors approved a stock repurchase program pursuant to which Mammoth has also authorized to repurchase up to the lesser of $55 million or 10 million shares of our common stock subject to certain factors.

Turning now to PREPA as we mentioned in our press release PREPA has paid $64 million. So far in 2024 and is approximately $19 million in FEMA funding for Cobra work, which they received in December. Additionally, Copa received $22 $2 million in payments from PREPA throughout 2020.

Arty Straehla: As we mentioned in our press release, PREPA has paid $64 million so far in 2024 and has approximately $19 million in FEMA funding for COBRA's work, which they received in December. Additionally, COBRA received $22.2 million in payments from PREPA throughout 2023. While we are pleased to receive these funds, this represents only a portion of what is still owed to us. We continue to pursue payment of the outstanding amounts, including the associated interest. In terms of future milestones, PREPA's confirmation trial for its plan of adjustment is currently set to start on March 4th. Our next status report is due to the court on March 27th, and the litigation stay has been continued through April 5th. We are currently engaged in mediation with PREPA regarding our claim. If mediation is unsuccessful, we intend to litigate the disputed issues.

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While we are pleased to receive these funds. This represents only a portion of what is still owed to us we continue to pursue payment of the outstanding amounts, including the associated interest in terms of future milestones prep as confirmation trial for <unk> plan of adjustment is currently set to start on March 4th.

Our next status report is due to the court on March 27th and the litigation stay has been continued through April 5th.

We are currently engaged in mediation with PREPA regarding our claims.

If mediation is unsuccessful, we intend to litigate the dispute disputed issues.

Arty Straehla: As we have demonstrated throughout our history, we have a resilient and diversified business comprised of talented and hardworking teams that will continue to find solutions that optimize our operational efficiencies with a customer and safety first focus. We believe our diverse portfolio and ability to adapt quickly to changing environments position us well in these segments. Despite a challenging year, we see many bright spots ahead across all of our business segments.

As we have demonstrated throughout our history, we have a resilient and diversified business comprised of talented and hard working teams that will continue to find solutions that optimize our operational efficiencies with a customer and safety first focus we.

We believe our diverse portfolio and ability to adapt quickly to changing environments positions us well in these segments.

Despite a challenging year, we see many bright spots ahead across all of our business segments and with a strong balance sheet, a new revolving credit facility agreement and a new term loan agreement. We are close poised for growth in 2024, we entered 2024 with an improving line of side, particularly in our in our infrastructure and.

Arty Straehla: And with a strong balance sheet, a new revolving credit facility agreement, and a new term loan agreement, we are poised for growth in 2024. We enter 2024 with an improving line of sight, particularly in our infrastructure and sand divisions, and we will be opportunistic in our well-completions business as commodity prices improve and activity increases. I am proud of the hard work and perseverance that our teams have demonstrated across our organization. Our continued commitment to safety and high quality standards propels our organization. Now, I will turn the call over to Mark to take you through our financial performance in greater detail. Thank you, Arty.

And divisions, and we will be opportunistic in our well completions business as commodity prices improve and activity increases.

Proud of the hard work and perseverance that our teams have demonstrated across our organization. Our continued commitment to safety and high quality standards propel our organization now.

Now, let me turn the call over to Mark to take you through our financial performance in greater detail. Thank.

Thank you already I hope everyone is doing well and we appreciate you joining us today as I, usually do I'm going to take this time to provide additional details on some meaningful metrics in several key highlights a.

Mark Layton: I hope everyone is doing well and we appreciate you joining us today. As I usually do, I'm going to take this time to provide additional details on some meaningful metrics and several key highlights. A detailed breakdown of our results can be found in our earnings release and in our 2023 10-K once it is on file with the SEC. Mammoth's total revenue during the fourth quarter of 2023 came in at $52.8 million, compared to $65 million in the third quarter of 2023.

A detailed breakdown of our results can be found in our earnings release and in our 2023 10-K. Once it is on file with the SEC.

Mammoths total revenue during the fourth quarter of 2023 came in at $52 8 million compared to $65 million in the third quarter of 2023.

Mark Layton: Total revenue for the full year into December 31, 2023 was $309.5 million compared to $362.1 million in 2022. A 15% decline in total revenues largely stemmed from the roughly 20% decline in the U.S. land rig count and associated utilization headwinds, which negatively impacted our Well Completion Services Division. In Q4 of 2023, we pumped 669 stages with approximately 0.9 fleets utilized on average, compared to 577 stages and an average utilization of 1.2 fleets during the third quarter of 2023. For the full year of 2023, we pumped 4,220 stages with approximately 1.8 fleets utilized on average, compared to 6,149 stages completed and three fleets utilized on average in 2022. This decrease when compared to 2022 was primarily attributable to the softness and utilization that we experienced in the Well Completion Services Division in the back half of the year. Sustained lower natural gas prices and commodity price uncertainty have led to utilization headwinds in the basins that we operate in and have caused operators to delay and push activity to the right.

Total revenue for the full year ended December 31, 2023 was $309 5 million compared to $362 1 million in 2022.

The 15% decline in total revenues largely stemmed from the roughly 20% decline in the U S land rig count and associated utilization headwinds, which negatively impacted our well completion services division.

In Q4 of 2023, we pumped 669 stages with approximately nine fleets utilized on average compared to 577 stages and an average utilization of 1.2 fleets during the third quarter of 2023.

For the full year of 2023, we pumped 4220 stages with approximately 1.8 fleets utilized on average compared to 6149 stages completed and three fleets utilized on average in 2022.

This decrease when compared to 2022 was primarily attributable to the softness in utilization that we experienced in the well completion services division in the back half of the year.

Sustained lower natural gas prices and commodity price uncertainty.

Have led to utilization headwinds in the basins that we operate in and have caused operators to delay and push activity to the right.

As many of our peers have noted on their calls it will now likely be the second half of 2024 before we see any meaningful activity improvements.

Mark Layton: As many of our peers have noted on their calls, it will now likely be the second half of 2024 before we see any meaningful activity improvement. We will remain disciplined stewards of capital and continue to align our spending appropriately with the demand that we are seeing from our customers. Our sand division sold approximately 104,000 tons of sand in the fourth quarter of 2023 at an average sales price of $23.62 per ton, compared to 352,000 tons of sand at an average sales price of $30.18 during the third quarter of 2023.

We will remain disciplined stewards of capital and continue to align our spending appropriately with the demand that we're seeing from our customers.

Our sand division sold approximately 104000 tonnes of sand in the fourth quarter of 2023.

At an average sales price of $23 62 per ton compared to 352000 tons of sand at an average sales price of $30.18 during the third quarter of 2023.

Mark Layton: On a full year basis, we sold 1.2 million tons of fans during 2023 at an average sales price of $29.86 compared to 1.4 million tons at an average sales price of $27.11 per ton in 2022. Our Infrastructure Services Division contributed revenue of $27.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2023, which represents an increase when compared to $26.7 million for the third quarter, due to the sequentially lower average crew count. For the full year 2023, Infrastructure Services revenues were $110.5 million, which was roughly flat when compared to $111.5 million in 2022. We continue to focus on operational execution and pursue opportunities within this sector as we strategically structure our service offerings for growth, especially in fiber projects. Our net loss for the fourth quarter of 2023 was $6 million, compared to a net loss of $1.1 million for the third quarter of 2023. Our net loss for the full year of 2023 was $3.2 million, compared to a net loss of $0.6 million in 2022.

On a full year basis, we sold $1 2 million tons of sand during 2023 at an average sales price of $29 86.

Compared to $1 4 million tonnes at an average sales price of $27 11 per ton in 2022.

Our infrastructure services Division contributed revenue of $27 2 million for the fourth quarter of 2023.

Which represents an increase when compared to $26 7 million for the third quarter.

Spite of sequentially lower average crew count.

For the full year 2023 infrastructure services revenues were $110 5 million, which was roughly flat when compared to the $111 5 million in 2022.

We continue to focus on operational execution and pursue opportunities within this sector as we strategically structured our service offerings for growth, especially in fiber projects.

Our net loss for the fourth quarter of 2023 was $6 million compared to a net loss of $1 1 million for the third quarter of 2023.

Net loss for the full year of 2023 was $3 2 million compared to net loss of <unk> 6 million in 2022.

Mark Layton: Adjusted EBITDA, as defined and reconciled in our earnings release, was $10.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2023, a decrease sequentially compared to $13.4 million in the third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $71 million for the full year of 2023 compared to $86.1 million for 2022. CapEx for the fourth quarter and full year of 2023 were $4.1 million and $19.4 million, respectively. We have continued to prudently manage our costs to more accurately reflect the activity levels of our customers, as evidenced by another sequential reduction in well completion services spending to align with lower utilization levels. However, we did have slightly higher expectations relative to infrastructure, sand, and other services. Our CAFX budget for 2024 is currently set at $15 million, and it's heavily weighted towards pressure pumping.

Adjusted EBITDA as defined and reconciled in our earnings release was $10 5 million for the fourth quarter of 2023 a.

A decrease sequentially compared to $13 4 million in the third quarter.

Adjusted EBITDA was $71 million for the full year of 2023 compared to $86 1 million for 2022.

Capex for the fourth quarter and full year, 2023 were $4 1 million and $19 4 million respectively.

We have continued to prudently manage our cost to more accurately reflect the activity levels of our customers.

As evidenced by another sequential reduction in well completion services spending to align with lower utilization levels. However, we did have slightly higher expectations.

Relative to infrastructure sand and other services our Capex budget for 2024 is currently set at $15 million and is heavily weighted towards pressure pumping, but as always we will continue to monitor customer spending and activity trends in order to most effectively manage our capital to align with demand.

Mark Layton: But as always, we will continue to monitor customer spending and activity trends in order to most effectively manage our capital to align with demand we see in the market. Selling general and administrative expenses totaled $8.3 million during the fourth quarter of 2023, down 20% compared to $10.4 million for the third quarter. Compared to the fourth quarter of 2022, SG&A was down 36%.

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Selling general and administrative expenses totaled $8 3 million during the fourth quarter of 2023 down 20% compared to $10 4 million for the third quarter.

Compared to the fourth quarter of 2022, SG&A was down 36%.

Mark Layton: As we guided on our last call, we benefited from reduced legal fees related to Puerto Rico in the fourth quarter, which contributed to our lower SG&A expense. As of December 31, 2023, we had cash on hand of $16.6 million. A revolving credit facility was underwrong, and we had approximately $20.7 million of available borrowing capacity.

As we guided to on our last call we benefited from reduced legal fees related to Puerto Rico in the fourth quarter, which contributed to our lower SG&A expenses.

As of December 31, 2023, we had cash on hand of $16 6 million.

Our revolving credit facility was undrawn, and we had approximately $27 million of available borrowing capacity.

Mark Layton: Our total liquidity was approximately $37.3 million. The fourth quarter was productive as we successfully completed the refinancing of our credit facility and monetized a portion of the PREPA receivable. These actions meaningfully increased our liquidity and supplied us with additional capital to invest in our business. We used $26.9 million of these proceeds to repay all outstanding borrowings under our credit facility, which currently remains undrawn, and we plan to use the remainder to invest in our business, which may include upgrading an additional hydraulic fracturing fleet with dual fuel capabilities; this incremental dual fuel fleet would result in three of our six fleets having dual fuel capability. To conclude our call, we would like to thank our 738 employees throughout the company for their hard work, dedication, and commitment to maintaining safe and sustainable work sites for themselves and their teammates. 2023 was a challenging year for a number of reasons, most notably various macroeconomic factors, but we maintain our belief in our teams and the direction that we are headed.

Our total liquidity was approximately $37 3 million.

The fourth quarter was productive as we successfully completed the refinancing of our credit facility and monetize the portion of the PREPA receivable.

These actions both meaningfully increased our liquidity and supplied us with additional capital to invest in our business.

We used $26 $9 million of these proceeds to repay all outstanding borrowings under our credit facility, which currently remains undrawn.

And we plan to use the remainder to invest in our business, which may include upgrading an additional hydraulic fracturing fleet with dual fuel capabilities.

This incremental dual fuel fleet would result in three of our six fleets, having dual fuel capabilities.

To conclude our call we would like to thank our 738 employees throughout the company for their hard work dedication and commitment to maintain a safe and sustainable work sites for themselves and their teammates.

2023 was a challenging year for a number of reasons, most notably various macroeconomic factors.

But we maintain our belief and our teams in the direction that we're headed we.

Operator: We will continue to operate efficiently, safely, and in a disciplined manner with enhanced results and our shareholders in mind as we work towards an approved 2024 and beyond. Operator, we would now like to open the call to questions. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue.

We will continue to operate efficiently safely and in a disciplined manner with enhanced results and our shareholders in mind as we work towards an approved 2024 and beyond.

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Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of John Daniel with Daniel Energy Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, Thank you for including me.

John Daniel: Thank you for including me. Morning, gentlemen. How are you?

Good morning, gentlemen.

I've got sort of a strategy question really and when do you.

Arty Straehla: I've got sort of a strategy question, really. A lot of the big frat companies are pushing hard into a, we all know, still seems to me like there's going to be some time, mate, call it a Tier 2 mark. Not every operator has the scale to pursue big development plans. And I just wonder if there's any merit, in your eyes, to a roll-up of, if you will, the small 1 to 2 fleet, Tier 2, some of whom are fairly cheap. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, No, I think, John, you're exactly right. And, by the way, congratulations on the Thrive Conference. All the feedback was extremely, extremely positive, and they certainly did a great job there. But we continue to invest in modernizing our fleet. We now have 34 units that are dual fuel, and we continue to bring Tier 4.

A lot of the big Frac companies are pushing hard into electric as we all know but.

It still seems to me like there's going to be a for some time I.

Call it a tier two market.

Not every operator has the scale to pursue big development plans and I just I wonder if there is any merit in your eyes to sort of a roll up of if you will of the small one to two fleet tier two companies.

Some of whom are fairly distressed right now just your thoughts.

No I think John Youre, exactly right and by the way congratulations on the thrive conference all the feedback.

Extremely extremely positive and.

Certainly done a great job there, but we continue to.

We invest in modernizing our plates, we now have.

34 units that are.

Dual fuel and we continue to bring tier four.

I think you're right on strategic roll ups, you know that's how we began as an organization we were a bunch of strategic put together.

Arty Straehla: I think you're right about strategic roll-ups. You know that's how we began as an organization. We were a bunch of strategic put-togethers, and we have continued to focus on the pressure-pumping area, the sand area, and the infrastructure area. And we are getting to the point where we can... Going forward with the preparation payments that we're receiving, we're starting to think that way and that roll-ups would be an interesting way to go without committing obviously to doing that. No, fair enough. I'm just thinking bigger picture, just the merits of the strategy. Are you the one that executed her?

We have continued to focus on the pressure pumping area at the sand area in the infrastructure area and we were getting to the point from.

Going forward with the PREPA.

Payments that we're receiving that we're starting to think that way and that roll ups would be an interesting way to to go.

Without commitment obviously to doing that.

No fair enough I, just I'm, just thinking more big picture just the merits of the strategy as opposed to argue the one that execute or whomever, but just.

Arty Straehla: www.mammothenergy.com. And I guess the last one for me is just on the natural gas markets. I think we all know that. Dicey right now. But I guess you are as you talk to customers up in the Marcellus for, you know, two to three to four quarters from now? Are they saying anything differently than how they've sort of presented their plans, you know, in Q4? Or any signs of hope for the back half yet, or is it still? No, I think I think it's still, you know, obviously a price-driven commodity.

And I guess the last one for me is just on the natural gas markets I think we all know there.

Well little.

Little bit dicey, right now, but I guess are you.

Talk to your customers up in the Marcellus well.

Two to three to four quarters from now.

Are they saying anything differently than how they've sort of presented their plans on Q4 earnings like is there any signs of hope in the back half yet or is it still too early.

No I think I think it's still obviously a price driven commodity we are seeing a little bit of pick up back in activity in the back half compared with the first half and we're starting to see a little bit of a long leading indicators like sand.

Arty Straehla: We are seeing a little bit of a pickup back in activity in the back half compared with the first half. And we're starting to see a little bit of long-lead indicators like sand. It's picking up some in March, compared to where we were in January and February.

Up some in March compared to where we were in January and February. So there is some activity that is picking up and customers are engaging and that type of thing.

Arty Straehla: So there is some activity that is picking up, and customers are engaging in, and that type of thing. But, obviously, you got to see some improvement in the commodity. Okay, and then a quick final one for me: I hate to look at the tragedy of the sort of panhandled fires up there, but is that an opportunity for the infrastructure? You know, we haven't seen that as yet.

But.

Obviously, you've got to see some improvement in the commodity.

Okay.

Final one for me I hate to look at the tragedy, if that's sort of pan handle.

Or is it up there, but is that an opportunity for the infrastructure business.

We haven't seen it as of yet.

We we we think that it becomes a.

Arty Straehla: We, we, think that it will become, it's something that we'll certainly look at, but right now, we have not been called out to try to help. That's a little bit further. The Canadian market is a little bit further from where our market goes in, that is, West Texas and kind of in the mid Dallas area.

Yeah.

It's something that we'll certainly look at but right now we have not been called out to try to help.

That's a little bit further the Canadian is a little bit further of where our market goes.

And that is in.

West, Texas sand.

Come in mid Dallas area, So our customers have not called us out as yet.

Arty Straehla: So our customers have not called us out as yet. Fair enough. Thank you for including me. Thanks, John. Our next question comes from Michael Mathison with Singular Research.

Fair enough. Thank you frankly.

Thanks, John.

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Matheson with singular research. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Mathison: Please proceed with my question. Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you for including me. I'd like to turn to the infrastructure segment. It looks like there's a little bit more positive demand news there. You've talked a lot about bidding activity. You've got your crews and everything. Do you have any kind of a forecast for growth in 2024 that you're looking at?

Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you for including me.

I'd like to I'd like to turn to the infrastructure segment I'm just it looks like there's a little bit more positive demand news there.

I talked a lot about bidding activity you've got your crews and everything do you have any kind of a forecast for our growth in 2024 that youre looking at.

Yes, so I think as we look at 2024.

Mark Layton: Yes, I think as we look at 2024, based on the bidding activity and the demand of our customers, we expect the crew count that we currently have to increase in 2024. So we're encouraged about both the feedback from our customers, as well as the macro impacts on the infrastructure business. I'd add to that a little bit and talk.

Based on the bidding activity and the demand of our customers. We expect the crew count that we currently have to.

To increase in 2024, so we're encouraged about both the feedback from our customers.

Both as the macro impacts on the infrastructure business.

Yes, I would add to that a little bit.

And talk.

Mark Layton: We're seeing additional growth in the transmission aspect of our business, which has been a push that we've tried to put together and try to grow that aspect of the business. And then, as well, our engineering group continues to add engineers. Currently, we have about 56 engineers on board, and we continue to hire into that group because of the demand that we see.

We're seeing additional growth in transmission aspect of our business, which has been a push that we've.

Tried to put together and trying to grow that aspect of the business and then as well our engineering group continues to add engineers currently we have about 56 engineers on.

Onboard and we continue to hire into that group because of the demand that we see so.

Mark Layton: So we see very strong demand for the engineering services that we are providing, and we think that that will cross over and bring in some of our operational aspects as well. So we're pretty bullish on our infrastructure group. Brains, And if I could ask you just one more question, back to PREPA, obviously, it's good news that they're finally paying you. And out of the recent payments, what's the outstanding balance? And can you just break that down of principal versus interest? Absolutely.

If we see very strong demand in the engineering.

The sector that we.

We are providing.

We think that that will cross over and bring in some of our operational aspects as well so we're pretty bullish on our infra.

Infrastructure group.

And if I could ask you just one more question back to PREPA, obviously, it's good news that they're finally paying you.

And that is the recent payments.

The outstanding balance and can you just break that down of a principal versus interest.

Mark Layton: So following the $50 million that we received earlier this week, the current balance owed is approximately $345 million, which is comprised of about $140 million for services and about $205 million for interest. Yeah, let me add to that about what we're seeing with PREPA, which is, to us, very encouraging. The cadence, and we talked about the payments received, the $50.6 million that we received this past week, the cadence is picking up significantly. PREPA owes us, and has another $20 million of FEMA-funded monies that they've been holding since December, and we are pushing hard to receive those and pursue those.

Absolutely. So following the $50 million that we received earlier this week that the current balance is approximately $345 million, which is comprised of about $140 million for services and about $205 million for interest.

Yeah, Let me, let me add to that about what we're seeing.

With PREPA, which is to us very encouraging the cadence and we talked about the payments received the $50 6 million that we received this.

This past week.

The cadence is picking up significantly.

PREPA owes us has another $20 million of FEMA funded monies that they've been holding since December and we are pushing hard to receive those and pursuing those next Monday the PREPA comp.

Mark Layton: Next Monday, the PREPA confirmation hearing for their plan of adjustment starts with a two-week trial, and we've always said that we had to go through the bondholders first, and this is what the plan of confirmation is about, but after you get through the plan of confirmation and the plan of adjustment, and once it's confirmed, PREPA has to deal with us on the remaining part, but we continue to pursue the FEMA-approved parts pretty aggressively. And then, as we talked about, there was a status report due to the judge on March 27th, and the litigation was stayed until April 5th. So we feel pretty good about the cadence, the way that it's moving.

Confirmation hearing for their plan of adjustment starts with a two week trial and we've always said that we had to go through you have to go through the bondholders first and this is what the plan a confirmation, but after you get through the plan confirmation and the plan of adjustment and once it is confirmed PREPA has to deal with us on the remaining part.

But we continue to pursue the FEMA approved parts.

Pretty aggressively.

And then as we talked about there is a status report due to the judge on March 27th.

In the litigation.

Had been stayed till until April.

Fifth.

No.

We feel pretty good about the cadence the way that it's moving we expect to have additional capital coming in and we continue to pursue.

Mark Layton: We expect to have additional capital coming in, and we continue to pursue very hard the monies that they owe. Just comparing those figures to where you stood previously, it looks like as money's coming in, it's being applied to the services, and interest is just continuing to grow. Is that fair?

Barry.

Heart, the monies that they owe us.

Just comparing those figures to where you stood on previously it looks like as moneys coming in it's being applied to the services and interest is just continuing to grow is that fair.

Mark Layton: Yeah, that's correct. The payments we've received in both 2023 and 2024 have been related to services performed under the second contract with PREPA, which leads us to, you know, about $140 million for services due today, largely comprised of just over $60 million related to the tax gross up provision under the first contract that we understand that PREPA has not yet submitted to FEMA for review, as well as approximately $74 million that, as you probably recall, is going through an appeal process That appeal was filed about a year ago, so based on feedback we've received from other parties, we would expect to hear the resolution of that appeal in the near term.

Yes, that's correct the payments we've received in both 2023 as well as 2024 have been relative to services performed under the second contract with PREPA.

Which leads us to about $140 million for services due today largely comprised of just over $60 million related to the tax gross up provision under the first contract that we understand that PREPA has not yet submitted to FEMA for review.

As well as approximately $74 million.

That as you probably recall is going through an appeal process at FEMA that that appeal was filed about a year ago.

Based on feedback we've received.

From other parties, we would expect to.

Here in the near term the resolution of that appeal.

Great.

Michael Mathison: Well, thank you for all the detail, and good luck with being paid here. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments. Thank you again for joining us on the call today. We continue to position Mammoth for improved growth and success, and it is all made possible by our talented and skilled team members.

Thank you for all the detail and good luck with them being take care. Thanks again.

Thank you.

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Thank you again for joining us on the call today, we continue to position <unk> for improved growth and success and is all made possible by our talented and skilled team members. This concludes our conference call and we look forward to speaking to you again after the next quarter. Thank you.

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