Q4 2023 Park-Ohio Holdings Corp Earnings Call
Operator: www.parkohioho.com Good morning and welcome to the Park, Ohio fourth quarter and full year 2023 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
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Good morning, and welcome to the Park, Ohio fourth quarter and full year 'twenty twenty-three results conference call.
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Matthew V. Crawford: Operating Income to Adjusted Operating, and Net Income Attributable to Park Ohio Common Shareholders to EBITDA as defined, please refer to the company's recent earnings. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Matthew Crawford, Chairman, President, and CEO. Please proceed. Good morning.
Now I'll turn the conference over to your host Mr. Matthew Crawford Chairman President and CEO. Please proceed Mr. Crawford.
Good morning.
Matthew V. Crawford: Thank you, Rob. I appreciate the intro. Welcome to our 2023 fourth quarter and annual conference call. I fully appreciate the recent collective effort of our Park Ohio team. It's worth appreciating the more than 30% or almost $400 million of revenue growth in the last two years, which has set all-time records across our diverse portfolio and in the aggregate. This was done with little impact from acquisition.
Thank you Rob I appreciate the intro welcome to our 2023 fourth quarter and annual conference call.
To fully appreciate the recent collective effort of our park, Ohio team, it's worth depreciating, the more than 30% or almost $400 million of revenue growth in the last few years, which is set all time records across our diverse portfolio and in the aggregate.
This was done with a little impact from acquisitions.
Matthew V. Crawford: The hard work was complemented by strong brands and customer relationships which have been built up over years and even decades due to innovation, solid operating performance, and customer satisfaction. 2023 was committed to metabolizing this rapid growth as we also completed our restructuring and enhanced our focus on improved operating execution and on our key financial metrics. Thank you to our customers and to our entire team.
The hard work was complemented by the strong brands and customer relationships, which have been built up over years and even decades due to innovation solid operating performance and customer satisfaction.
2023 was committed to metabolizing. This rapid growth as we also completed our restructuring and enhanced our focus on improved operating execution and then our key financial metrics.
Thank you to our customers and to our entire team.
Matthew V. Crawford: In line with our areas of focus, critical achievements also included a 230 basis point increase in our gross profit and operating cash flows of more than $50 million, which was used to pay down debt and grow our business. 2024 is off to a fast start with what we believe to be a simpler and less capital-intensive business model. While we believe that we're entering a slower revenue growth environment, we anticipate ongoing pockets of relative strength in our diverse set of end markets, in particular aerospace, defense, and those industries which are beneficiaries of government investments like semiconductor, infrastructure, and green energy. In addition, we have strong backlogs heading into 2024, particularly in our IEG group.
In line with our areas of focus critical achievements also included a 230 basis point increase in our gross profit.
And operating cash flows of more than $50 million, which was used to pay down debt and grow our business.
2024 is off to a fast start with what we believe to be a simpler and less capital intensive business model.
While we believe that we're entering a slower revenue growth environment, we anticipate ongoing pockets of relative strength and our diverse set of end markets.
In particular.
Aerospace defense and those industries, which are beneficiaries of government investments like semiconductor.
Infrastructure and Green energy.
In addition, we had strong backlogs heading into 2024, particularly in our IAG group.
Perhaps more importantly, we're laser focused on continuous improvement given the amount of restructuring growth over the last two years, we need to continue to work aggressively to optimize our execution and reduce costs.
Matthew V. Crawford: Perhaps more importantly, we're laser-focused on continuous improvement. Given the amount of restructuring and growth over the last two years, we need to continue to work aggressively to optimize our execution and reduce costs. Our allocation of capital will focus heavily on these initiatives as well as on organic growth opportunities in our best businesses. Creating operating leverage in our best assets, continuing to grow gross margins, and generating additional cash flow to deleverage our company are all of the greatest strategic importance for 2024. Thank you; I'll turn it over to Pat to cover the details of the results. Thanks, Matt.
Our allocation of capital will focus heavily on these initiatives as well as on organic growth opportunities and our best businesses.
Creating operating leverage in our best assets continuing to grow gross margins and generating additional cash flow to deleverage. Our company are all of the greatest strategic importance during 2024.
I'll turn it over to Pat to cover the details of the results.
Thanks, Matt.
Patrick W. Fogarty: We are pleased with our 2023 full-year results, which met our expectations and believe we have built momentum to deliver improved results in 2020. We were able to deliver strong year-over-year results despite the impact of the United Auto Workers strike, which affected our fourth quarter results and reduced sales by approximately $25 million and earnings per share by approximately $0.20 per share. The major highlights during the year were as follows.
We are pleased with our 2023 full year results, which met our expectations and believe we have built momentum to deliver improved results in 2024.
We were able to deliver strong year over year results. Despite the impact of the United Auto workers strike, which affected our fourth quarter results and reduced sales by approximately $25 million and earnings per share by approximately <unk> <unk> per share.
The major highlights during the year were as follows first we achieved record consolidated net sales from continuing operations of $1 7 billion.
Patrick W. Fogarty: First, we achieved record consolidated net sales from continuing operations of $1.7 billion. We also achieved record sales in each business sector. Our gap earnings per share from continuing operations increased significantly compared to 2022, and adjusted EPS increased 74%. Our full-year gross margins were up 230 basis points, and EBITDA is defined to improve 33%. We also delivered strong operating cash flows of $53 million during the year and free cash flow of $25 million. As a result, we paid down debt by $24 million and reduced our net debt leverage to 4.4 times, an improvement of 27% compared to a year ago.
We also achieved record sales in each business segment.
Our GAAP earnings per share from continuing operations increased significantly compared to 2022 and adjusted EPS increased 74%.
Our full year gross margins were up 230 basis points and EBITDA as defined improved 33%.
We also delivered strong operating cash flows of $53 million during the year and free cash flow of $25 million. As a result, we paid down debt by $24 million and reduced our net debt leverage to four four times, an improvement of 27% compared to a year ago.
Patrick W. Fogarty: As we closed out the year, we completed the sale of our aluminum products business for approximately $50 million, which included $35 million of cash and $15 million of promissory notes, $10 million of which is contingent on certain new customer orders to be received by the end of 2024. Before I comment on our current year guidance for the acquisition of Yilma GMBH, I'll review our full year and fourth quarter results in detail. Consolidated net sales from continuing operations in 2023 were a record $1.7 billion, up 11% compared to $1.5 billion a year ago. Each of our business units experienced strong year-over-year sales growth, which was driven by most end markets and a broad range of customers. In our supply technology segment, strong demand across most of our diverse end markets, new customer sales, and increased demand relating to new platforms utilizing our proprietary fastener products contributed to the segment's growth. In our assembly components segment, sales from each of our product categories, which include fluid-related systems, direct injection rail products, and molded and extruded rubber and plastic products, increased year-over-year due to strong demand from key automotive and light truck OEM platforms, such as the GMC Yukon and the GM Silverado.
As we closed out the year, we completed the sale of our aluminum products business for approximately $50 million, which included $35 million of cash and $15 million, a promissory notes and $10 million of which is contingent on certain new customer orders to be received by the end of 2024.
Before I comment on our current year guidance and the acquisition of <unk> I'll review, our full year and fourth quarter results in detail.
Consolidated net sales from continuing operations in 2023 were a record $1 7 billion up 11% compared to $1 5 billion a year ago each of our business units experienced strong year over year sales growth, which was driven by most end markets and a broad range of customers.
In our supply technologies segment strong demand across most of our diverse end markets, new customer sales and increased demand related to new platforms utilizing our proprietary fastener products contributed contributed to the segment's growth.
In our assembly components segment sales from each of our product categories, which include fluid related systems direct injection rail products, and molded and extruded rubber and plastic products increased year over year from strong demand from key automotive and light truck OEM platforms, such as the GMC Yukon and the <unk>.
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Also contributing to the sales growth in this segment were newly developed products, including air conditioning host products, which are now in production and from customer price increases realized at each of our manufacturing plants.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Also contributing to the sales growth in this segment were newly developed products, including air conditioning hose products, which are now in production, and customer price increases realized at each of our manufacturing plants. The sales growth in our engineered product segment was in line with our expectations considering the record equipment backlogs that existed at the end of 2022 and supplemented by new equipment bookings throughout the year. The booking trends continue to be robust throughout the year in both North America and in Europe for an all-major induction heating and melting brand. Gap EPS for the year was $2.72 per diluted share, and adjusted earnings per share, which excludes primarily one-time expenses related to plant closure and consolidation activities, improved to $3.07 compared to adjusted EPS of $1.76 per share in 2022, a significant increase of 74% year over year
The sales growth in our engineered products segment was in line with our expectations considering the record equipment backlog that existed at the end of 2022 and supplemented by new equipment bookings throughout the year.
The booking trends continued to be robust throughout the year in both North America and in Europe, and in all major induction heating and melting brands.
GAAP EPS for the year was $2 72 per diluted share and adjusted earnings per share, which excludes primarily one time expenses related to plant closure and consolidation activities improved to $3 seven.
Compared to adjusted EPS of $1 76 per share in 2022, a significant increase of 74% year over year.
Gross margins improved 230 basis points year over year to 16, 4% of net sales the significant consolidation activities in recent years helped drive higher levels of absorption in many of our operating plants, which will continue to have a positive impact on our gross margins margin improvement continues to.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Gross margins improved 230 basis points year-over-year to 16.4% of net sales. The significant consolidation activities in recent years helped drive higher levels of absorption in many of our operating plants, and will continue to have a positive impact on our gross margin. Margin improvement continues to be the focus of our operating teams heading into 2024. SG&A expenses were higher in 2023 due primarily to higher sales, higher employee-related costs, and general inflation.
The focus of our operating teams heading into 2024.
SG&A expenses were higher in 2023, due primarily to the higher sales levels higher employee related cost and general inflation, but as a percentage of net sales SG&A was comparable year over year at 10, 9%.
Patrick W. Fogarty: But as a percentage of net sales, SG&A was comparable year-over-year at 10.9%. Our adjusted operating income was $90 million compared to $48 million a year ago, an increase of 86% year-over-year as we realized profit improvement in each business segment. The largest gains in our supply technology are in the assembly components sector, resulting from higher sales levels and improved customer pricing. The interest expense was $45 million compared to $34 million in 2022.
Our adjusted operating income was $90 million compared to $48 million a year ago, an increase of 86% year over year as we realized profit improvement in each business segment with the largest gains in our supply technologies and assembly components segments, resulting from higher sales levels and improved customer pricing.
Interest expense was $45 million compared to $34 million in 2022, the increase was primarily due to higher interest rates are.
Patrick W. Fogarty: The increase was primarily due to higher interest rates. Our full-year 2023 income tax provision was $8.5 million on pre-tax income of $41.5 million, for an effective income tax of 21 percent, which is in line with the U.S. Federal Statutory Tax. This year, we estimate that our effective tax rate will be in the range of 23 to 25 percent. Our EBITDA, as defined, was $134 million in 2023, an increase of 33% compared to $101 million in 2022. Operating cash flow generated during the year was $53 million, driven by a strong operating cash flow of $29 million in the fourth quarter.
Our full year 2023 income tax provision was $8 $5 million on pre tax income of $41 5 million for an effective income tax of 21%, which is in line with the U S federal statutory tax rate.
This year, we estimate that our effective tax rate will be in the range of 23, 25%.
Our EBITDA as defined was $134 million in 2023, an increase of 33% compared to $101 million in 2022 operating cash flow generated during the year was $53 million driven by strong operating cash flow of $29 million in the fourth quarter.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Free cash flow was $25 million in 2023, compared to a negative free cash flow of $54 million last year. Moving now to our fourth quarter results. Net sales from continuing operations of 389 million dollars increased 2% year-over-year compared to 382 million dollars in the prior year, driven primarily by higher demand in our engineered product segment, which was up 8%. As mentioned earlier, the UAW strike impacted our fourth quarter sales by approximately $25 million.
Free cash flow was $25 million in 2023 compared to a negative free cash flow of $54 million last year.
Moving now to our fourth quarter results net sales from continuing operations of $389 million increased 2% year over year compared to $382 million.
In the prior year, driven primarily by higher demand in our engineered products segment, which was up 8%.
As mentioned earlier, the UAW strike impacted our fourth quarter sales by approximately $25 million.
Patrick W. Fogarty: The FEPS and adjusted EPS for the quarter was $0.54, which was affected by the impact of the UAW strike by approximately $0.20 per share; adjusted EPS was $0.54 in the current quarter compared to a loss of $0.09 in the 2022 quarter. In the quarter, operating income margins improved 70% compared to 2022, and we generated significant operating cash flows of $29 million and free cash flow of $22 million. EBITDA, as defined, was $29 million in the quarter, an increase of 12% year over year.
GAAP EPS and adjusted EPS for the quarter was 54, which was affected by the impact of the UAW strike by approximately <unk> 20 per share or.
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In the quarter operating income margins improved 70% compared to 2022, and we generated significant operating cash flows of $29 million and free cash flow of $22 million EBITDA as defined was $29 million in the quarter, an increase of 12% year over year.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Turning now to our segment results and supply technologies, net sales for the full year were a record $763 million, up 7% compared to $712 million in 2022. The increase was driven by higher customer demand across most end markets in our supply chain business, with the biggest increases in power sports, heavy-duty truck, and commercial aerospace. In 2023, we saw a meaningful rebound in demand from commercial aerospace customers, which was up 26% over the prior year. Sales in this segment were also favorably impacted by increased demand for our proprietary fastener, as sales in that part of the segment were up 16% year over year. Operating income in this segment totaled $59 million in 2023, up 29% compared to $46 million in the prior year, and operating margins were 130 basis points higher year-over-year at 7.7%.
Turning now to our segment results and supply technologies net sales for the full year were a record $763 million up 7% compared to $712 million in.
In 2022.
The increase was driven by higher customer demand across most end markets and our supply chain business with the biggest increases in power sports and heavy duty truck and commercial aerospace.
In 2023, we saw a meaningful rebound in demand from commercial aerospace customers, which was up 26% over the prior year.
Sales in this segment were also favorably impacted by increased demand for our proprietary fastener products as sales in that part of the segment were up 16% year over year.
Operating income in this segment totaled $59 million in 2023 up 29% compared to $46 million in the prior year and operating margins were 130 basis points higher year over year at seven 7%.
Patrick W. Fogarty: These increases were driven by higher sales levels and the impact of profit improvement initiatives, which included increased product pricing, which helped offset higher product and operating costs. In the fourth quarter, net sales were down 2% to $178 million compared to $181 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. The decrease was a result of the UAW strike at one truck assembly plant and slightly lower demand from certain end markets.
These increases were driven by the higher sales levels and the impact of profit improvement initiatives, which included increased product pricing, which helped offset higher product and operating costs.
In the fourth quarter net sales were down 2% to $178 million compared to $181 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. The decrease was a result of the UAW strike at one truck Assembly plant and slightly lower demand from certain end markets. Despite the lower sales year over year operating income was up 30%.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Despite the lower sales year-over-year, operating income was up 36% year-over-year to $14 million. In our assembly components segment, sales were $428 million for the year, up 10% compared to $389 million in 2022, resulting from increased net price realization and increased volumes on new programs previously launched. Excluding charges related to plant consolidation activities, adjusted operating income was $35 million in 2023, up significantly compared to $7 million a year ago, with the improvement driven by the higher sales levels, customer price increases, and benefits from plant consolidations completed in prior years These positive factors more than offset ongoing product inflation and other increased costs. The over-year margins in this segment were up 750 basis points. In the fourth quarter, net sales of $97 million were up 3% compared to $95 million in the fourth quarter of last year, and adjusted operating income improved $5 million year over year to $7 million compared to $2 million a year.
6% year over year to $14 million.
In our assembly components segment sales were $428 million for the year up 10% compared to $389 million.
In 2022, resulting from increased net price realization and increased volumes on new programs previously launched.
Excluding charges related to plant consolidation activities adjusted operating income was $35 million in 2023 up significantly compared to $7 million a year ago with the improvement driven by the higher sales levels customer price increases and benefits from plant consolidations completed in prior years.
These positive factors more than offset ongoing product inflation and other increased costs year over year margins. In this segment were up 750 basis points.
In the fourth quarter net sales of $97 million were up 3% compared to $95 million in the fourth quarter of last year and adjusted operating income improved $5 million year over year to $7 million compared to $2 million a year ago.
In our engineered products segment full year sales reached $469 million up 19% compared to $393 million.
Patrick W. Fogarty: In our engineered product segment, full-year sales were $469 million, up 19% compared to $393 million in 2022, driven by strong customer demand in both our capital equipment and forged and machined products business. Bookings of new equipment for the full year were $175 million, and equipment backlog as of the end of December of 2023 was $162 million compared to similar levels a year ago.
22, driven by strong customer demand in both our capital equipment and forged and machine products businesses.
Bookings of new equipment for the full year were $175 million in equipment backlog as at the end of December of 2023 was $162 million compared to similar levels a year ago.
Patrick W. Fogarty: The strong backlogs drove a 21% increase in our capital equipment business. In addition, revenues from our higher-margin aftermarket parts and service business grew 18% year-on-year. In our Forged in Machine Products business, full-year sales increased almost 16% and at their highest level since 2019, driven by strength in several key end markets, including aerospace and defense. We continue to quote new projects in support of the defense industry, which has increased the production of certain munitions utilizing our forging press technology. Excluding charges related primarily to plant consolidation activities, our adjusted operating income in this segment for the year was $24 million compared to $23 million a year ago.
The strong backlogs drove a 21% increase in our capital equipment business. During the year. In addition revenues from our higher margin aftermarket parts and service business grew 18% year over year.
In our forged and machine products business full year sales increased almost 16%.
Their highest level since 2019, driven by strength in several key end markets, including aerospace and defense.
We continue to quote new projects in support of the defense industry, which was which is increase the production of certain munitions utilizing our forging press technology.
Excluding charges related primarily to plant consolidation activities. Our adjusted operating income in this segment for the year was $24 million compared to $23 million a year ago.
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Patrick W. Fogarty: The improvement was driven by higher sales levels, implemented operational improvements, and the benefits from plant consolidation actions, all of which more than offset lower margins than are forged in machine products. In the fourth quarter, net sales of $115 million were up 8% compared to $106 million in the fourth quarter of last year, and adjusted operating income was $4 million in the quarter compared to $6 million a year ago. And finally, corporate related expenses were $28 million in 2023 compared to $31 million a year ago, with a decrease driven by lower salaries.
In the fourth quarter net sales of $115 million were up 8% compared to $106 million in the fourth quarter of last year and adjusted operating income was $4 million in the quarter compared to $6 million a year ago.
And finally corporate related expenses were $28 million in 2023 compared to $30 a year ago with the decrease driven by lower professional fees.
Now I'll make a few comments related to our guidance for 2024.
As indicated in our press release, we expect revenue growth to be in the mid single digit range year over year, driven by stable demand expected in most end markets.
We also expect year over year improvement in EPS and EBITDA as defined.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Now I'll make a few comments related to our guidance for 2024. As indicated in our press release, we expect revenue growth to be in the mid-single-digit range year-over-year, driven by stable demand expected in most of Denmark. We also expect year-over-year improvement in EPS and EBITDA as defined. In our supply technology segment, we expect demand from most Denmark to be stable from a unit demand standpoint and expect increased year-over-year demand in the aerospace and semiconductor end markets, which should more than offset slightly lower demand in other end markets, primarily in heavy-duty trucks. We also expect continued normalization of global supply chains and commodity prices. We will continue to focus on margin improvement initiatives, which will include footprint optimization, reducing product costs, and working capital reduction. In assembly components, customer demand is also expected to be stable across all products.
In our supply technologies segment, we expect demand.
For most end markets to be stable from a unit demand standpoint, and expect increase year over demand in the aerospace and semiconductor end markets, which should more than offset slightly lower demand in other end markets primarily in heavy duty truck.
We also expect continued normalization of global supply chains and commodity prices. This year, we will continue to focus on margin improvement initiatives, which will include footprint optimization, reducing product costs and working capital reductions and assembly.
Components customer demand is also expected to be stable across all products. Our team is focused on operational improvement initiatives, including increasing our rubber mixing capacity increasing throughput on all of our production lines and other value drivers all aimed at increasing gross margins.
In engineered products, we expect year over year growth in both capital equipment and forged and machine products. We began the year with strong backlogs in each region.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Our team is focused on operational improvement initiatives, including increasing our rubber mixing capacity, increasing throughput on all of our production lines, and other value drivers all aimed at increasing gross margin. For engineered products, we expect year-over-year growth in both capital equipment and forged-to-machine products. We begin the year with strong backlogs in each region. Key operating initiatives in 2024 will include increasing our marketing efforts and our global aftermarket business, impacting each of our equipment brands, capitalizing on market trends around electrification, defense, and infrastructure spending, and the implementation of operational improvements in our forged and machined products business. On February 29th, we completed the acquisition of EMA Induction GmbH, headquartered in Mecklesheim, Germany, for approximately $14 million net of cash acquired. Yilma is a leading manufacturer of induction heating equipment and high efficiency power converters and operates through its two locations in Germany and China.
Operating initiatives in 2024 will include increasing our marketing efforts and our global aftermarket business impacting each of our equipment brands capitalizing on market trends around electrification defense and infrastructure spending and the implementation of operational improvements in our forged and machine products business.
On February 29th we completed the acquisition of EMA induction Gmbh's headquartered in Mexico, <unk>, Germany for approximately $14 million net of cash acquired email.
<unk> is a leading manufacturer of induction heating equipment and high efficiency power converters and operates through its two locations in Germany and China.
We expect EMA to generate revenues of approximately $30 million over the next 12 months and will be accretive to our current segment margins and earnings per share.
We also expect meaningful cost synergies and longer term market synergies as a mean to create EMA into our business.
<unk> strengthens our global induction heating expertise in Germany, and throughout Europe, and adds a global and well respected brand to our product portfolio now.
Patrick W. Fogarty: We expect Yilma to generate revenues of approximately $30 million over the next 12 months and will be accretive to our current segment margins and earnings per share. We also expect meaningful cost synergies and longer-term market synergies as we integrate Yilma into our business. HEMA strengthens our global induction heating expertise in Germany and throughout Europe and adds a global and well-respected brand to our product portfolio.
Now I will turn the call back over to Matt Alright.
Great. Thank you very much Pat I will now open the line for questions.
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Hi, first question comes from Steve Barger with Keybanc capital markets. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning, everyone. This is actually Krishna dialog for Steve Barker, Thanks for taking the questions.
Greg first of all your question morning.
First question with your mid single digit guidance, how much of that is price versus volume and what would need to happen to move the needle to grow above that mid single digit range.
Christian Zyla: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the start button. One moment, please, while we poll. Our first question comes from Steve Barger with KeyBank Capital Marks. Please proceed with your question. Good morning, everyone. This is actually Christian Zyla and Christie Barger.
Yes.
Well.
As I mentioned during my comments I think we.
Benefits from a hugely diverse business.
Both in terms of products and markets and.
Christian Zyla: Thanks for taking the question. Great. First one, Christian.
Also global reach candidly.
The majority of our business is in North America, which.
It seems to be kind of a best place to be right. Now so we're benefiting from that and we will continue to.
Matthew V. Crawford: First question, with your mid-single-digit guidance, how much of that is price versus volume, and what would need to happen to move the needle to grow above that mid-single-digit? Well, as I mentioned during my comments, I think we benefit from a hugely diverse business, both in terms of products and markets and also in terms of global reach. Candidly, you know, the majority of our business is in North America, which seems to be kind of the best place to be right now, so we're benefiting from that and will continue to. You know, as I think I even mentioned on the third-quarter call, unit volumes have leveled off.
As I think I, even mentioned on the on the third quarter call.
Unit volumes have leveled off there is no question as we look through through that diversity.
Markets from a unit perspective will be up and down we were able to execute I think at a high level commercially last year, we will benefit from that pricing in 2024, which is great which means that yes, a lot of that growth even if it's mid single digit will.
Be determined by how effectively we're during passing along price increases last year. So end markets are mixed with the exception I think of where we are seeing some strong business in aerospace defense and some of the end markets I discussed that are affected by government investment. So I think we'll do better than the average industrial business.
Matthew V. Crawford: There's no question that as we look through that diversity, markets from a unit perspective will be up and down. We were able to execute, I think, at a high level commercially last year. We will benefit from that pricing in 2024, which is great, which means that, yeah, a lot of the growth, even if it's single-digit, will be determined by how effective we were at passing on price increases last year. So end markets are mixed, with the exception, I think, of where we are seeing some strong business in aerospace defense and some of the end markets I discussed that are affected by government investment. So I think we'll do better than the average industrial business. Having said that, unit growth is sideways and, in some cases, down, depending on what market we're in. So in some of our international segments, I think they are sort of flattish.
Being said that unit growth is sideways and in some cases down depending on what what what market rent. So in some of our international segments. I think are sort of flattish. So most of the increases. We're seeing currently are really benefiting from the pricing of last year.
He also has a bit of a mixed bag with the exception of the areas I mentioned, which are material to our business to the upside.
In terms of how we would anticipate doing better than that I think you hear about us talking about it a lot I think we've got tremendous opportunities on the innovation side.
We've talked a lot about our proprietary fastener line and the importance of some of our products to the journey.
Which increasingly people tend to agree with which we've been saying all along which is the journey on the electrification of transportation.
Matthew V. Crawford: So most of the increases we're seeing currently are really benefiting from the pricing of last year. Everything else is a bit of a mixed bag, with the exception of the areas I mentioned, which are material to our business on the upside. In terms of how we would anticipate doing better than that, I think you hear us talking about it a lot. I think we've got tremendous opportunities on the innovation side. We've talked a lot about our proprietary fastener line and the importance of some of our products to the journey, which increasingly people tend to agree with, which is what we've been saying all along, which is the journey on the electrification and transportation runs through hybrids.
<unk> through hybrids, where an important many of our more innovative products run through that journey. So we're excited about that I think the strong backlogs performing against the our quoting and our and our.
Engineered products group more than a year on many of our products I think our ability to continue to scale, our business and deal with.
And grow and deal with some of the labor challenges of 'twenty.
<unk> and 'twenty three will allow us to execute at a higher level and maybe deliver.
Improved performance against those backlogs.
So I think we've got a number of different ways I think we can succeed.
Is that outlined.
That's awesome I'll Cherry color. Thank you.
On supply Tech just on the semiconductor guidance for that business a few of the equipment manufacturers talked about <unk> being the trough and then maybe a reacceleration in the back half of 'twenty core should we expect a similar cadence for you guys in that business and then I guess, what's the overall cadence in supply tech given the exposure to arrow into those truck headwinds.
Matthew V. Crawford: Many of our more innovative products run through that journey, so we're excited about that. I think the strong backlogs, performing against the – we're quoting in our engineering products group for more than a year on many of our products. I think our ability to continue to scale our business and deal with and grow and deal with some of the labor challenges of 2022 and 2023 will allow us to execute at a higher level and maybe deliver improved performance against those backlogs. So I think we've got a number of different ways. I think we can succeed, as I've outlined. That's awesome, that's a great color, thank you.
Yes, I'll, let let let Pat think about that for a second but I would just comment semiconductor has been a little difficult to predict.
Quite candidly some of our key customers have been affected by.
Some of the geopolitics and trade issues that are going on globally, our customers are as likely to do business in the U S in Texas and California as they are in Singapore, So I think that.
Patrick W. Fogarty: On supply tech, just on the semiconductor guidance for that business, a few of the equipment manufacturers talked about 1Q being the trough and then maybe a re-acceleration in the back half of 24. Should we expect a similar cadence for you guys in that business? And then, I guess, what's the overall cadence in supply tech, given the exposure to aero in some of those trucks?
Predicting and again these are very sophisticated manufacturers with very complex equipment. So.
Trying to isolate and determine what deliveries will look like month to month or quarter to quarter has been problematic for us. What we do know is that the investment trend is staggering as you know so I would be reluctant maybe Pat will talk about quarter to quarter, but we do know that backdrop backlogs and demand for our customers is staggering.
Matthew V. Crawford: Yeah, and I'll let Pat think about that for a second, but I would just comment that semiconductor demand has been a little difficult to predict. You know, quite candidly, some of our key customers have been affected by some of the geopolitics and trade issues that are going on globally. Our customers are as likely to do business in the U.S. and Texas and California as they are in Singapore.
Yes.
I would add that within the aerospace business, we touch aerospace not only in supply technologies, but also in our forged and machine products business.
In some cases in our capital equipment business.
And we are seeing strong backlogs.
Stronger year over year in certain cases, all around aerospace and defense. So.
Matthew V. Crawford: So, I think that predicting, and again, these are very sophisticated manufacturers with very complex equipment. So, you know, trying to isolate and determine what deliveries will look like month-to-month or quarter-to-quarter has been problematic for us. What we do know is that the investment trend is staggering, as you know.
We feel pretty good about about that end market as we head into 2024.
I mentioned semiconductors, a little tougher to to gauge month by month, but we service some of the large equipment manufacturers all around the world and so.
And when we made comments around where we see growth.
We're talking about year over year growth not quarter to quarter. So.
Patrick W. Fogarty: So, I would be reluctant, maybe Pat would, to talk about quarter-to-quarter, but we do know the backdrop of backlogs in demand for our customers is staggering. I would add that within the aerospace business, we touch aerospace not only in supply technologies but also in our forged and machine products business and, in some cases, in our capital equipment business. And we are seeing strong backlogs, stronger year over year in certain cases, all around aerospace and defense. So, we feel pretty good about that and the market as we head into 2024. As Matt mentioned, semiconductors are a little tougher to gauge month by month, but, you know, we service some of the large equipment manufacturers all around the world. And so, when we make comments around where we see growth, we're talking about year-over-year growth, not quarter-to-quarter growth. Hopefully, that answers your question.
Hopefully that answers your question Christian I would just add more broadly about your question, we have a lot better visibility this year than we had the last few years and I'm sure. We're not the only one in the industrial space. So.
I would say that our level of confidence given the economy that we and others see and the GDP forecast that are out there broadly for the industrial space and in some cases for the the other important global markets.
We're positioned to hit or exceed our goals when we have better comfort better visibility than we have over the last couple of years.
Got it that's all great. Thanks.
Just on engineered products than I guess, what happened in engineered products have pressured margins I think forged and machine products were up 12% year over year in <unk>, what was the year over year for capital equipment, and then as we think about 'twenty four is one going to outpace the other as we think about the full year.
In terms of growth. Thanks.
I'll start and give sort of a big picture on this.
I have said and continue to say so goes engineered products. So those park, Ohio. This is traditionally our business with the highest margins.
Matthew V. Crawford: Christian, I would just add more broadly to your question. We have a lot better visibility this year than we have in the last few years, and I'm sure we're not the only ones in the industrial space. So I would say that, given the economy that we and others see, and the GDP forecasts that are out there broadly for the industrial space, and in some cases for the other important global markets, we're positioned to hit or exceed our goals. We have better comfort, and better visibility than we have had over the last couple of years. Got it. That's all great.
And this is also traditionally our business that has.
A really solid position, an aftermarket sort of the razor razorblade model. So.
We are.
Optimistic that for lack of a better word that business will lead the next leg up in our performance because clearly by historical standards, they're not there. They're also buoyed by tremendous backlogs and the business. So the business is there for us to us to execute execute against I would be remiss, if I didn't say that.
Christian Zyla: Thanks. Just on engineering products, then, I guess what happened in engineering products that pressured margins? And I think forged and machined products were up 12% year over year in 4Q. What was the year over year for capital equipment? And then, as we think about 24, is one going to outpace the other as we think about the full year?
That business.
Continues I think to be affected and we get better every day by some of the challenges that occurred to everywhere during COVID-19 and I'm reluctant to continue talking about COVID-19, but the loss of knowledge and engineering.
And the day to day work force and hourly workforce around assembly complex equipment around forging our products.
Matthew V. Crawford: I'll start and give sort of the big picture on this. As I have said and continue to say, so goes Engineer Products, so goes Park Ohio. This is traditionally our business with the highest margins, and this is also traditionally our business that has a really solid position in the aftermarket, sort of the razor and razor blade model. So we are optimistic that, for lack of a better word, that business will lead the next leg up in our performance, because clearly, by historical standards, they're not there. They're also buoyed by tremendous backlogs in the business.
On large hammer cells. These are not.
Physicians, you replace overnight and do so efficiently so.
That is a journey, we're getting better every day.
But again, we anticipate that that journey will lead us back to where it was which is a leadership position in our business from a from every key financial metric.
Yes, Krishna I would add that.
Our in our capital equipment business, we saw growth not only on the new equipment side of things, which I mentioned in my comments, but also in the higher margin aftermarket parts and service business. So our margins were affected not from that side of the business are.
Matthew V. Crawford: So the business is there for us to execute against. I would be remiss if I didn't say that that business... Continues, I think, to be affected. And we get better every day by some of the challenges that occurred everywhere during COVID. And I'm reluctant to continue talking about COVID.
Our margins were affected by startup costs, primarily in one of our forging facilities, where we consolidated.
Chicago into our <unk> facility.
Patrick W. Fogarty: But the loss of knowledge and engineering in the day-to-day workforce and the hourly workforce around assembling complex equipment around, you know, forging products, you know, on large hammer cells. These are not positions you replace overnight and do so efficiently. So, you know, that is a journey. We're getting better every day. But again, we anticipate that that journey will lead us back to where it was, which is a leadership position in our business from every key financial. Yeah, Christian, I would add that in our capital equipment business, we saw growth not only on the new equipment side of things, which I mentioned in my comments, but also in the higher margin aftermarket parts and service. So our margins were affected not by that side of the business. Our margins were affected by startup costs, primarily in one of our forging facilities where we consolidated out of Chicago into our Canton Forge facility and relocated several large pieces of equipment.
<unk> and relocated several large pieces of equipment and it's taken time to to get the equipment to operate efficiently.
With new Labour with a new workforce and those startup costs have affected our margins.
Secondly, second secondarily, we had.
Some downtime in some of our equipment and our Arkansas forging plant. So both of those situations affected our margins in that part of our business.
Clearly there is improvement being being made every day and expect margins to get back to historical levels.
Over the course of 24 in 2025.
So somewhat isolated in terms of.
The margin impacts.
But we feel we have a handle on it and things are improving every day.
I'll add one point on the on the pricing side, we spent a lot of time I think talking about.
Supply Tech and assembly components from our auto based business.
Patrick W. Fogarty: And it's taken time to get the equipment to operate efficiently with new labor, with a new workforce. And those startup costs have affected our margins. Additionally, we had some downtime with some of our equipment in our Arkansas forging plant.
In many ways contractual non contractual those renegotiations by challenging we're effective relatively quickly.
The engineered products group is different in many cases, they are quoting business they will not deliver on for more than a year. So to the extent pricing was rotated forward meaningfully during 2023.
Patrick W. Fogarty: So both of those situations affected our margins in that part of our business. Clearly, there's improvement being made every day, and I expect margins to get back to historical levels over the course of 2024 and 2025. So they're somewhat isolated in terms of the margin impacts, but we feel we have a handle on it and things are improving. On the pricing side, we spent a lot of time, I think, talking about supply tech and assembly components, the more auto-based business. In many ways, contractual or non-contractual, those renegotiations, while challenging, were effective relatively quickly.
We may not see that as we honor our agreements that were made in 2022 until into this year. So this isn't just an operational issue. This is also a pricing issue and we've addressed that we've increased standards, we've rotated things for.
Many many many months ago, so but again when you are quoting things out 12, 13 14 months you don't always see the benefit of that is commercial negotiations. The way you would in our supply tech in our automotive business.
Okay.
Great and last one for me I appreciate all the color.
EMEA seems to be another really good value deal 40 million dollar purchase price for about $30 million in sales what are the margins on this business of which segment is going in Im sorry, if I missed that and then just what's the secret sauce for you guys yes.
Matthew V. Crawford: The engineering products group is different. In many cases, they're quoting business they will not deliver on for more than a year. To the extent that pricing was rotated forward meaningfully during 2023, we may not see that as we honor agreements that were made in 2022 until this year. So this isn't just an operational issue.
Fasteners and was also a really good value deal like how are you able to find these deals out there. Thank you so much.
Yes, Thanks Christian.
Im glad you brought it.
Matthew V. Crawford: This is also a pricing issue. And we've addressed that. We've increased standards. We've rotated things forward, you know, many, many, many months ago. So, again, when you're quoting things out 12, 13, 14 months, you don't always see the benefit of those commercial negotiations the way you would in our supply tech and our automation. Great. And last one for me.
I don't want to Miss the opportunity to say here.
We like highly strategic highly accretive acquisitions, but we are more selective than ever.
Our priorities right now as an organization exist around funding the significant growth we've had funding our value drivers, which make us more competitive and more and have more operating leverage and sustainable earnings.
Christian Zyla: I appreciate all the color. EMA seems to be another really good value deal, $14 million purchase price for about $30 million in sales. What are the margins on this business, and which segment is it going into? I'm sorry if I missed that. And then just what's the secret sauce for you guys? You guys, Southern Fasteners was also a really good value deal. Like, how are you able to find these deals out there? Thank you so much.
And then.
If we can find a great acquisition.
Our management team is task.
To find great opportunities they come from all four corners, they typically comp bubble up from inside of our organization and where we can find something that is absolutely strategic.
For us and at the same time meets our financial metrics, which means getting a value being highly synergistic on the cost and the go to market standpoint, because it adds an adjacency or as a geography or add some key customers.
Matthew V. Crawford: Yeah, thanks, Christian. I'm glad you brought that up. You know, I don't want to miss the opportunity to say here that we like highly strategic, highly accretive acquisitions, but we are more selective than ever. Our priorities right now as an organization exist around funding the significant growth we've had, funding our value drivers, which make us more competitive and have more operating leverage and sustainable earnings. And then, you know, if we can find a great acquisition, our management team is tasked with finding great opportunities. They come from all four corners.
Thats what success looks like.
So our standards are very high right now to do the right kinds of acquisitions.
We do like them, but it's a pretty rigorous process and right now that's not where our entire focus is.
Okay.
Yes Krishna.
Comment on the margins I'll, only say that the acquisition.
The acquisition will be accretive to our segment margins.
Patrick W. Fogarty: They typically come from inside our organization. And when we can find something that is absolutely strategic for us and at the same time meets our financial metrics, which means, you know, getting value, being highly synergistic on the cost and the go-to-market standpoint because it adds an adjacency or adds a geography or adds key customers, you know, that's what success looks like. So, you know, our standard is very high right now to make the right kind of acquisitions because, you know, we do like them, but it's a pretty rigorous process, and right now, that's not where our entire focus is. Thank you. Yeah, Christian, I will comment on the margins.
We are and have been over so many years of doing deals very disciplined in our approach.
Have IRR models, we have return on our cash flow we have many many metrics that we use the value of business.
And a lot of cases, the owners of these companies and in this case was a much larger.
Private company out of Australia.
Wanted to find a home for this business, which wasn't core to their business in an area of where their employees would be taken care of and we'd be able to grow with our business and it fit perfectly within the within the engineered products segment.
And their expertise lies in induction heating in various applications not only in Germany, but throughout Europe.
Patrick W. Fogarty: I'll only say that the email. Acquisition will be credited to our segment margins. You know, we are, and have been over many years of doing deals, very disciplined in our approach. We have IRR models, we have return on cash flow, we have many, many metrics that we use to value a business. And in a lot of cases, the owners of these companies, and in this case it was a much larger private company out of Austria, wanted to find a home for this business, which wasn't core to their business, in an area where their employees would be taken care of and would be able to grow with our business, and it fit perfectly within the engineered product segment, and their expertise lies in induction, heating, and various applications, not only in Germany, but throughout Europe, covering a wide range of diverse end markets, including wind energy, including auto, including forging and foundry.
Covering a wide range of diverse end markets, including wind energy, including auto, including forging and foundry.
Companies like <unk> and crops are just one example of the strong OEM relationships that EMA brings to our our induction business.
Christian I would only add that patch point.
Many people are watching us we are very carefully some of the challenges in Europe, and particularly Germany as it relates to their economy.
Adding a brand like this in a team like this these are Germany is still a hub for global manufacturing, while they may be in the technical talent may be in Germany.
Serve as chairman and global customers Pat.
Pat mentioned, one I mean these are.
Matthew V. Crawford: Companies like Piss and Krupp are just one example of the strong OEM relationships that Yilma brings to our induction. Christian, I would only add to Pat's point, you know, many people are watching as we are very carefully some of the challenges in Europe and, particularly, Germany as it relates to their economy. Adding a brand like this and a team like this, Germany is still a hub for global manufacturing. While they may be, and the technical talent may be in Germany, they serve German and global customers. Pat mentioned one: these are, you know, major companies that invest through the business cycle and invest globally. So it's not just being driven by the German economy, if you will. Great; I really appreciate all the questions.
Major companies that invest through the business cycle and invest globally. So it's not just being driven by the German economy, If you will.
Great really appreciate all the color. Thanks.
Our next question is from Dave storms with Stonegate. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning.
Good morning, Jason.
Just wanted to sorry, it looks like free cash flow kind of hit the high end of what you were guiding to last quarter.
The lessons here that we can expect going forward.
Just really strong.
On working capital.
We've been working on the reduction of working capital.
For the entire year.
I think the fourth quarter benefited from slightly lower sales, which allowed us to harvest some of the the receivables in the fourth quarter, but I would love to see our free cash flows to be smoother and we expect that in 2024, but there was a lot of hard work and heavy lifting done by all of our businesses.
David Joseph Storms: Our next question is from Dave Storms with Stonegate. Please proceed with your question. Good morning, Dave.
Patrick W. Fogarty: Good morning, um,............................................................................................................................................. I think the fourth quarter benefited from slightly lower sales, which allowed us to harvest some of the receivables in the fourth quarter. But I would love to see our free cash flows be smoother, and we expect that in 2024. But there was a lot of hard work and heavy lifting done by all of our businesses around the reduction in working capital. Just to give you an example, we grew our business year over year by almost $170 million and used only 8% working capital. That's a huge accomplishment. We feel there's more room there, and each of our businesses is focused. Dave, let me add to that because I can't help myself.
Around reduction in working capital.
Just to give you. An example, we grew our business year over year by almost $170 million and used only 8%.
Working capital.
Its a huge accomplishment.
We feel there's more room there.
And each of our businesses are focused on it.
Dave Let me let me.
Add to that because I can't help myself up.
I mentioned in my comments that we feel as though we entered the year.
As a less capital intensive business.
And Pat I think address 2023, well I can't resist the opportunity to say to you.
We don't need to spend much time on general aluminum on this call other than to say it consistently represented between 10 and 15% of our revenue and 30% to 40% of our capital Capex.
Matthew V. Crawford: I mentioned in my comments that we feel as though we enter the year as less capital intensive, and Pat, I think, addressed 2023 well. I can't resist the opportunity to say to you, we don't need to spend much time on general aluminum on this call, other than to say it consistently represented between 10 and 15% of our revenue and 30 to 40% of our capital cuts. So that is an opportunity, I think, to permanently change the profile of this business and to bolster the cash flows of the business. And then just wanted to ask: What is the...
So.
That is an opportunity I think to permanently change the profile of this business and to bolster the.
The cash flows of the business.
That's very helpful. Thank you.
And then just wanted to touch back on.
EMEA for a second what is the integration timeline for this or theres still logistical hurdles or is it.
Pretty much on plug and play acquisition.
Yes.
Matthew V. Crawford: I don't think we'd want to comment explicitly on that; it's pretty recent. I would point out the induction heating business is a complex... Equipment Business, and we are really happy to get the email. We also do business in the German marketplace in the induction heating business, and we've got great teams making innovative products. So, you know, this is about, I think, growing our team, growing our talent, growing our customer list, and growing the products we can serve our global customers with. So, you know, this is – we have – it's a business that has a wonderful backlog. It's well-positioned to succeed this year. You know, we – you know, don't fix what's not broken.
I think we'd want to comment explicitly on that is it's pretty recent.
I would point out.
The Dutch Hany business is a complex equipment business and we are really happy to get the EMA team.
We also do business in.
The German marketplace, and the <unk> business and we've got great teams, making innovative products. So this is about I think growing our team growing our talent.
Growing our customer less in growing the products, we can serve our global customers. So this is.
We have a business has a wonderful backlog, it's well positioned to succeed this year.
We.
Don't fix what's not broken having said that we're going to look I think to create a broader presence in the marketplace, where again, we can sell more global customers with more and more innovative products.
Patrick W. Fogarty: You know, having said that, we're going to look, I think, to create a broader presence in the marketplace where, again, we can sell more global customers with more innovative products. So, to some extent, it's plug-and-play, but our goal is to make them more successful because they are world-class in what they do. That's it, bye. One additional comment there, you know. I mentioned in my remarks that Yilma is a provider of converters, high efficient power converters.
To some extent, it's plug and play but our goal is to make them more successful because they are world class in what they do.
Yes, Dave Thanks for that.
One additional comment there I mentioned in my my remarks that EMA is a provider of converters high efficient power converters.
Patrick W. Fogarty: They can retrofit their converters with other brands around the world. This is a huge opportunity if you have operations in places like Spain and Italy where you can market the ability to make those converters and install them locally. We feel that's just one of the opportunities that we have in this business. But there are others, and most of them are driven around, as Matt mentioned, expanding our ability to sell our various brands through the various local sales teams, and that'll take some time. And then just one more.
They can retrofit their converters with other brands around the world. This is a huge opportunity. If you have operations in places like Spain, and Italy, where you can market the ability to make those converters and install them locally.
We feel that's just one of the opportunities that we have.
In this business, but theres, others and most of them are driven around as Matt mentioned, expanding our ability to sell our various brands through our through the various local.
<unk> teams.
And that will take some time, but.
We're very optimistic that we'll be able to take advantage of that.
That's great. Thank you very much and then just one more.
Matthew V. Crawford: Get it. Um, how do you feel about that going? You're on pretty good footing, any other lovers that you have. Yeah, I'll echo a few comments I think I made in the last call. The broad strokes... have been done, right? I mean, I can't, and I got to pause and thank the people in our FORGE group or in our automotive group explicitly for the work they've done over the last couple of years of closing and relocating facilities. That work is done in the trenches. It's difficult. It's difficult. It isn't on time. It's rarely on budget.
Thinking about 2023 and it seemed like it was really a year.
<unk> operations.
Kevin.
<unk> sorted.
How do you feel about that going into 2024, it sounds like you're on pretty good footing, but is there any other levers that you were thinking of pooling.
To continue that.
Yes.
I'll Echo <unk> comments, I think I made in the last call.
The broad strokes that had been done right I mean, I cant and I can't get a pause and thank the people in our forge group are in our automotive group explicitly for the work they've done over the last couple of years of closing and relocating facilities that work is done in the trenches, it's hard it's difficult isn't.
On time, it's rarely a HUD budget the.
Matthew V. Crawford: The broad strokes have been completed. Having said that, we are only at the front end, I think, of really optimizing the consolidations and the restructurings we've done. So no, we absolutely anticipate, and again, you know, Pat, if I kick me under the table for saying this, I am not upset that we're seeing a slower growth year. I'm not upset seeing that we may see unit volumes, you know, flatten out because we need to do a lot of work. I think I said this in the third quarter call, but I'll say it again.
The broad strokes have been completed having said that.
We are only at the front end I think of really optimizing the consolidations and the restructurings. We've done so no we absolutely anticipate and again.
<unk> powder, probably kick me under the table for saying this.
Im not upset that we're seeing a slower growth year I'm not upset.
Seeing that we are not that.
And that we May see unit volumes flattened out because we need to do a lot of work I think I said this in the third quarter call said again, it's nice on paper to do a nice white paper and move thousands of jobs.
Matthew V. Crawford: It's nice on paper to do a nice white paper and move thousands of jobs, for example, with a couple businesses in our automotive segment south of the border. There's certainly a lot more labor there, but there's still turnover. There's still training, you know.
For example, with a couple of businesses in our automotive segment.
South of the border.
There is certainly a lot more labor there, but theres still turnover, there's still training.
Matthew V. Crawford: At the end of the day, while there may be some labor cost arbitrage, you know, we've walked away from some tenured employees who are really good at what they do. So our journey on decreasing costs and increasing productivity in these locations that have been affected in particular, but across the business, is going to be in the details. And they're going to be in the value drivers.
At the end of the day, while there may be some labor cost arbitrage.
We've walked away from some tenured employees, who are really good at what they do so our journey on.
Incur decreasing costs, increasing productivity in these locations that had been affected in particular, but across the business are going to be in the details and theyre going to be in the value drivers.
Matthew V. Crawford: We like to think mind over wallet here, but we're going to be focused on funding the $75,000 investments that yield value drivers in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's where we need to be. We highlighted recently on a call our investment in the rubber mixer that I think has given us not just a great return but a competitive balance in our rubber and plastic business. That's where we're going to be focused this year.
We like to thank bind over wallet here, but we're going to be <unk>.
Focused on funding.
$75000 investments that yield value drivers in the one hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars, that's where we need to be we highlighted recently on our call our investment in our rubber mixture that I think has given us not just a great return, but a competitive balancing in our in our rubber and plastic business.
That's what we're going to be focused this year and there is a tremendous amount of opportunity there across the business and optimizing the restructuring dollars. We have spent and just getting better of what we do is as the system stabilizes, particularly on the labor side.
Brian Sponheimer: And there's a tremendous amount of opportunity across the business in optimizing the restructuring dollars we have spent and just getting better at what we do as the system stabilizes, particularly on the labor side. Our next question is from Brian Sponheimer with Gabelli Funds. Please proceed with your question. Hey, good morning, everybody. Hey Matt. Hey Brian, how are you? Good morning, Brian. I am great.
Okay.
Our next question is from Brian <unk> with Gabelli funds. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning, everybody Hey, Matt.
Brian already appointed Brian Great. So it seems like you guys excel at finding.
Matthew V. Crawford: So it seems like you guys excel at finding niche businesses in various parts of the country and world that, you know, European Business, just by virtue of potentially expanding your addressable net for where you can look to find, You're right. Yeah, it's a good question.
Each businesses in various parts of the world.
<unk>.
This is the European business I'm wondering if your scope just by virtue of your size is now.
Potentially expanding your addressable net where you can look to find businesses that you.
London.
Potentially add to this.
Matthew V. Crawford: Um, you know, in general, we operate very strong, credible brands in reasonably to mid-sized markets. You know, we're not competing in, you know, 50 or $100 billion marketplaces; most of our business addresses markets that call it our, you know, two to $4 billion in size, where we are a significant player or less, where we have a significant player, known and understood and appreciated brands or unique equipment. So I would just tell you that we don't think about scale maybe the way that you said it.
You are right.
Yes, Brian it's a good question.
You know that in general we operate very strong credible brands and reasonably to mid sized marketplaces.
We're not competing in.
$50 billion to $100 billion marketplaces, most of our business address markets that call. It $2 billion to $4 billion in size, where we are a significant player or less where we have significant player.
Known and understood depreciated brands or unique equipment. So I would just tell you I don't we don't think about scale may be the way that you said, we think about scale on our teams I think about scale in terms of what is really strategic to us.
Matthew V. Crawford: We think about scale, and our teams think about scale in terms of what is really strategic to us. You know, no deal is too small if it brings us an adjacent new product we can take over our network. It brings us a new geography where we can infiltrate new products. You know, so we don't really think about scale, maybe.
No deal is too small if it brings to us an adjacent new product, we can take over our network. It brings us a new geography, where we can infiltrate new products.
No no. So we don't really think of scale, maybe I know youre thinking about or financially what moves the needle, but the first question. We ask here is how does this make our broader business more successful in three years to five years, what does success look like.
Matthew V. Crawford: I know you're thinking about it financially, what moves the needle. But the first question we ask here is, how does this make our broader business more successful in three to five years? What does success look like? If we can answer that question with a resounding yes, then we talk about whether it moves the needle.
If we can answer that question with a resounding. Yes, then we talk about if it moves the needle then we talk about if we liked the financials sure we'd love to buy a bigger business that checks all those boxes at the right multiple that would move the needle, but that's not how our process starts.
Matthew V. Crawford: Then we talk about if we like the financials. Sure, we'd love to buy our bigger business that checks all those boxes at the right multiple that would move the needle, but that's not how our process starts. Participating again in this environment, Brian, acquisitions are not the first horse at the trough. Yeah, I think it was whether the size of your business is allowing you to find more opportunities now that are adjacent. And I guess along those lines, what is the, you know, you have delegated a little bit, still more, I would assume you'd want to work on there? What does the pipeline look like?
Yes.
Again, Brian again, particularly again in this environment, Brian acquisitions are.
People get sick of me, saying this are not the first parts at the trough.
Yes.
Yes, I think it was.
It was whether the size of your business is allowing you to find.
More opportunities now that are adjacencies that fit and I guess, along those lines. What is the you have de levered, a little bit still more I would assume you don't want to work on there but.
What does the pipeline look like as far as.
Patrick W. Fogarty: as well as other EMA-type size businesses that are out there. I'll let Pat address that, but don't think of our corporate development people as only sitting in this office. Think of our corporate development people as the list that Pat is working with the people at Supply Technologies, at Ajax Taco, at these different businesses, and at RBMW to develop processes. So their profile and how they think about opportunities are a little bit different than Pat and I.
Are there any other EAA type sized businesses that are out there for you.
I'll, let Pat address that but don't think of our corporate development people is only sitting in this office.
Of our corporate development people as the list that pad is working with the people at supply technologies at Ajax Tocco at these.
Different businesses.
At our BMW to develop prospects so their profile and how they think about opportunities are a little bit different than pattern I and candidly they are.
Matthew V. Crawford: And candidly, they are constantly managing, growing, and developing relationships with people that we may do business with today or in 10 years. So that's the extended corporate development team, so to speak, right? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, the pipeline continues to be strong, and I think over the last..., five to ten years. Our growth and our size have definitely broadened the net of at least those deals that come to us from M&A and investment banks. But we've got great brands, and they're global. And as a result of that, people often come to us when they're looking to sell their business.
Sure.
Constantly managing growing and developing relationships with people that we may do business with today or in 10 years. So that's.
That's the extended corporate development team so to speak right.
Yes, Brian.
The pipeline continues to be to be strong in and I think over the last.
Five to 10 years.
Our growth and our our size has is definitely broadened the net of at least those deals that come to us from from M&A.
Investment banks.
But we've got a great we've got great brands and they are global and so as a result of that.
People often come to us.
When theyre looking to sell their business and so that hasnt changed and that goes back years and years.
Patrick W. Fogarty: And so that hasn't changed, and that goes back years and years of success relative to buying and integrating this. Excellent. Well, good luck in 2024. Thanks Brian, I appreciate your support. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Matthew Crawford for closing. Thank you all for your time and support. Great, great questions today. So any closing comments I might have had, I think I made as I responded to those very good questions. We appreciate a knowledgeable, hardworking, and supportive investor base. Thank you. And we look forward to refining our message and our goals as we move towards and through 2024. Thanks. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your...
Of success relative to buying and integrating businesses.
Okay.
All right excellent well good luck for for 2024.
Thanks, Brian I appreciate your support.
We have reached the end of the question and answer session I would now like to turn the call back over to Matthew Crawford for closing comments.
Great. Thank you all for your time and support great great questions. Today. So any closing comments I might've had I think I made as I responded to those to those very good questions. We appreciate a knowledgeable and hard working and supportive investor base.
Thank you and we look forward to again refining our message and our goals as we as we move towards and through 2024.
This concludes today's conference you may disconnect your lines at this time and we thank you for your participation.