Q1 2024 Concentrix Corp Earnings Call
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Unknown Attendee: Also, during the call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted free cash flow, non-GAAP operating income, non-GAAP operating margin, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, non-GAAP net income, non-GAAP EPS, and constant currency revenue growth. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures is available in the news release and on the company investor relations website under finance. With me on the call today are Chris Caldwell, our president and chief executive officer, and Andre Valentine, our chief financial officer. Chris will provide a summary of our operating performance and growth strategy, and Andre will cover our financial results and business outlook. Then we'll open the call for your questions. Now, I'll turn the call over to Chris.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Thank you, David. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our first quarter 2024 earnings call. We had a strong start to the year with solid first quarter financial performance, operational excellence across our business, and a strong pipeline. Revenue increased 47% as reported and nearly 3% on a pro forma constant currency basis in the quarter, which was at the high end of our guide.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: Our growth reflects differentiated offerings across our key verticals, particularly in retail, travel, and e-commerce, and banking and financial services. Achieving our target underscores the strength of our business model, our diversified portfolio of clients and capabilities, and the effectiveness of our execution. We delivered record first quarter non-GAAP operating income and adjusted EBITDA of up 47% and 50%, respectively. We're excited about the sustainable momentum in our catalyst business, which posted growth for a third consecutive quarter, resulting in year over year pro forma constant currency growth of over 10%. Catalyst's return to double digit growth is a testament to the successful execution of driving integrated high value technology offerings into our client base. As a reminder, our Catalyst business includes our data engineering, advanced analytics, application design and development, platform integration, and cloud transformation practices, as well as our strategy consulting and CX Enterprise technology services team. Our pipeline is strong with our preferred mix of transformational and technology-led deals.
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Please refer to today's earnings release, and our most recent filings with the SEC for additional information regarding uncertainties that could affect our future financial results.
This includes the risk factors provided in our annual report on Form 10-K, and in our other public filings with the SEC.
Also during the call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted free cash flow non-GAAP operating income non-GAAP operating margin adjusted EBITA adjusted EBITA margin non-GAAP net income non-GAAP EPS in constant currency revenue growth.
A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures is available in the news release and on the company Investor Relations website under financials.
Speaker Change: With me on the call today are Chris Caldwell, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Andre Valentine, Our Chief Financial Officer, Chris will provide a summary of our operating performance and growth strategy and Andre will cover our financial results and business outlook. Then we'll open the call for your questions now.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Some of this pipeline comes from sales traction and commercial cross-selling synergies from the web help combination. A few examples of wins in the quarter include a top European retailer signing a tech-led solution that includes our generative AI, agent automation technology, analytics, and ongoing services to take care of their customers. While a services client of Webhelp, Concentrix was able to introduce technology and transformation that increased the value of the relationship for both parties. We also want a public transportation agency in Asia Pacific that chose us to provide a CCAS technology platform, automation, analytics, and technical teams to support their customer base.
Now I'll turn the call over to Chris.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Thank you David Hello, everyone and thank you for joining us today for our first quarter 2024 earnings call. We had a strong start to the year with solid first quarter financial performance operational excellence across our business and a strong pipeline.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Revenue increased 47% as reported and nearly 3% on a pro forma constant currency basis in the quarter, which was at the high end of our guide our growth reflects the differentiated offerings across our key verticals, particularly in retail travel and e-commerce and banking and financial services achieving.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And then finally, a large global consumer products company in Europe awarded us a contract to design, build, and run a CCAS instance in over 40 markets as their managed service provider, including custom software development to improve their customer experience. This example was a services client of both Concentrix and Webhelp that turned to us for an integrated technology solution since we knew their business so well on the global stage. To understand why we are pushing automation so heavily in our business, one example at scale I can share with you is for one of our region's largest airlines. We previously handled 90%, 95% of the airline's transactions through a voice channel with thousands of game changers. Today, using our technology, some generative AI, and some machine learning AI chatbots, more than 50% of transactions have been automated. With this implementation of technology, we have reduced the number of game changers needed by close to 500, while the remaining game changers process the more complex transactions.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Achieving our target underscores the strength of our business model, our diversified portfolio of clients and capabilities and effectiveness of our execution.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We delivered record first quarter, non-GAAP operating income and adjusted EBITDA up 47% and 50% respectively.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We're excited about the sustainable momentum in our catalyst business, which posted growth for a third consecutive quarter, resulting in year over year pro forma constant currency growth of over 10%.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Catalyst returned to double digit growth is a testament to the successful execution of driving integrated high value technology offerings and grow our client base as.
Christopher A. Caldwell: As a reminder, our catalyst business includes our data engineering advanced analytics application design and development platform integration and cloud transformation practices as well as our strategy consulting and CX enterprise technology services team.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Our pipeline is strong with a preferred mix of transformational and technology led deal.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Some of this pipeline comes from sales traction in commercial cross selling synergies from the web help combination.
Christopher A. Caldwell: A few examples of wins in the quarter include a top European retailer signing a tech led solution that includes our generative AI agent automation technology analytics and ongoing services to take care of their customers, while our services clients from web help concentrix was able to introduce technology and transformation.
Christopher A. Caldwell: With the growth of the client's business, our revenue and gross margin with this client are higher today than before the introduction of automation, while also raising the client's NPS for their customers. That's why, in the first quarter of 2024, we automated significant portions of over 60 million transactions for our clients, and we're still able to grow our revenue. Our technology-led approach with clients continues to demonstrate we're successfully integrating automation solutions into client projects, solidifying our position as a leader in this field.
Christopher A. Caldwell: They increase the value of the relationship for both parties.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We also won a public transportation agency in Asia Pacific that chose us to provide our <unk> technology platform automation analytics and technical teams to support their customer base.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And then finally, a large global consumer products company in Europe awarded US a contract to design build and run a CCAR.
Christopher A. Caldwell: In over 40 markets as their managed service provider, including custom software development to improve their customer experience.
Christopher A. Caldwell: This example was a services client of both Kenseth Concentrix and web help that turned to us for an integrated technology solutions since we knew their business so well on the global stage.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Our investment in AI tools remains a key priority, and we're increasing our investment to accelerate the deployment of cutting-edge solutions. While this investment is impacting margins in the short term, we believe that this increased investment will allow us to demonstrate faster to the market why we see generative AI as a benefit. To be clear, much of this is our own intellectual property we have developed that is now deployed in hundreds of our clients. We have an extensive R&T department that is innovating internally for our own workforce, as well as for customers around all forms of automation, including generative AI. Earlier this month, we announced the creation of a dedicated technology product organization led by our new Chief Product Officer, Ryan Peterson, underscoring our commitment to and investment in scalable technology.
Christopher A. Caldwell: So I understand why we're pushing automation so heavily in our business. One example of scale I can share with you is for one of our regions largest airlines. We previously handled 90% 95% of the airlines transactions through a voice channel with thousands of game changers today, using our technology some generative.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And some machine learning AI chatbot more than 50% of transactions have been automated.
With this implementation of technology, we reduced the number of game changers needed by close to 500, while the remaining game changers process the more complex transactions with.
Christopher A. Caldwell: With the growth of the client's business, our revenue and gross margin with this client are higher today than before the introduction of automation, while also raising the clients N P S for their customers.
Christopher A. Caldwell: That's why in the first quarter of 2024, we automated significant portions of over 60 million transactions for our clients yet we're still able to grow our revenue.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Our technology led approach with clients continues to demonstrate we are successfully integrating automation solutions into client projects solidifying our position as a leader in this field our investment in AI tools remain a key priority and we are increasing our investment to accelerate deployment of the cutting edge solutions. While this investment is impacting margins in the <unk>.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Examples of platforms we are driving to scale include our Enhanced Large Language Intelligence for Enterprises, or ELI platform, that uses the power of generative AI to help CX leaders understand customer feedback for millions of transactions more efficiently and effectively. Our marketing engagement platform built on Salesforce, combined with a custom application, helps businesses run marketing campaigns that are globally consistent but have local and regional intimacy.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Short term, we believe that this increased investment will allow us to demonstrate faster to the market why we see generative AI as a benefit.
Christopher A. Caldwell: To be clear much of this is our own intellectual property. We have developed that is now deployed in hundreds of our clients. We have an extensive R&D department that is innovating internally for our own workforce as well as for our customers around all forms of automation, including generative AI.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Earlier this month, we announced the creation of a dedicated technology product organization led by our new Chief product Officer, Ryan Peterson, underscoring, our commitment to and investing in scalable technology.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And finally, our integrated analytics platform that automates complicated payment processes, detecting and reducing fraud and mistakes. As you can see from these examples, we have robust offerings that drive automation, enhance results for our clients, and deepen long-term relationships. Regarding the Web Health integration, we remain on track to achieve the anticipated cost synergies. Importantly, the combination has come together very quickly in the areas that matter most, our delivery of global solutions for our clients and our go-to-market motion. We are confident that we will continue to thrive in generating significant value for our clients and shareholders. For the remainder of 2024, we maintain our outlook for sustained revenue growth, profit improvement, strong cash flow generation, and responsible use of capital throughout the rest of the year.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Examples of platforms. We are driving to scale include our enhanced large language intelligence for enterprises or early platform that uses the power of generative AI to help CX leaders understand customer feedback for millions of transactions more efficiently and effectively.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Our marketing engagement platform built on Salesforce, but combined with our customer application helps businesses run marketing campaigns that are globally, consistent but have local and regional intimacy.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And finally, our payment integrated analytics platform that automates complicated payment processes, detecting and reducing fraud and mistakes.
Christopher A. Caldwell: As you can see from these examples we have robust offerings that drive automation enhanced results for our clients and deepen long term relationships.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Regarding the web help integration we remain remained on track to achieve the anticipated cost synergies importantly, the combination has come together very quickly in the areas that matter most our delivery of global solutions for our clients and our go to market motion.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Given our confidence in our outlook and our future prospects, we are committed to making 100 million dollars in share repurchases between March 1st, 2024 and the end of our fiscal year, approximately doubling the capital returned through share repurchases from the prior year. This will not stop us from rapidly reducing leverage over the balance of 2024, as we committed when we completed the Web Health transaction. In closing, I'd like to thank our dedicated game changers for their hard work and commitment to excellence and our clients for their trust and business. Now, I'll turn the call over to Andre. Thank you, Chris.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We are confident that we will continue to thrive and generating significant value for our clients and shareholders for the remainder of 2024, we maintain our outlook for sustained revenue growth profit improvement strong cash flow generation and responsible use of capital through the rest of the year.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Given our confidence in our outlook and our future prospects, we are committed to making a $100 million in share repurchases between March one 2024, and the end of our fiscal year approximately doubling the capital returned through share repurchases from the prior year.
Christopher A. Caldwell: This will not stop us from rapidly reducing leverage over the balance of 'twenty 'twenty four as we committed when we completed the web help transaction.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Closing I would like to thank our dedicated game changes for their hard work and commitment to excellence and our clients for their trust and business now I'll turn the call over to Andre.
Andre S. Valentine: And hello everyone. I'll begin with a look at our financial results and then discuss our business outlook. Our performance in the first quarter was a solid start to the year, revenue was at the top end of our guidance range, and we achieved our profitability range for the quarter. First quarter revenue was $2.4 billion. On a pro forma basis, as if the web help combination was completed at the beginning of 2023, constant currency revenue growth was approximately 2.8%. Revenue increases with clients in key verticals such as retail, travel, and e-commerce, and banking and financial services led the way.
Andre S. Valentine: Thank you, Chris and Hello, everyone.
Andre S. Valentine: I'll begin with a look at our financial results and then discuss our business outlook. Our performance in the first quarter was a solid start to the year.
Andre S. Valentine: Revenue was at the top end of our guidance range and we achieved our profitability range for the quarter.
Andre S. Valentine: First quarter revenue was $2 $4 billion on a pro forma basis as if the web help combination was completed at the beginning of 2023 constant currency revenue growth was approximately two 8%.
Andre S. Valentine: Revenue increases the clients in key verticals, such as retail travel and E Commerce and banking and financial services led the way.
Andre S. Valentine: On a pro forma basis revenue from retail travel and e-commerce clients grew 11% year over year.
Andre S. Valentine: On a pro forma basis, revenue from retail, travel, and e-commerce clients grew 11% year over year; pro forma revenue from banking, financial services, and insurance clients grew 4%; our other clients vertical grew 2%, and revenue from technology and consumer electronics clients grew by 1% on a pro forma basis. Revenue from communications and media clients decreased by 4% on a pro forma basis, primarily due to lower volumes from a few North American communications clients continuing the trend from previous quarters.
Andre S. Valentine: Pro forma revenue from banking financial services and insurance clients grew 4% our other clients vertical grew 2% and revenue from technology and consumer electronics clients grew by 1% on a pro forma basis revenue.
Andre S. Valentine: Revenue from communications and media clients decreased by 4% on a pro forma basis.
Andre S. Valentine: Primarily due to lower volumes from a few north American communications clients, continuing the trend from previous quarters.
Turning to profitability non-GAAP operating income was $319 million in the first quarter up $102 million compared with the first quarter of 2023.
Andre S. Valentine: Our non-GAAP operating margin was 13, 3% the same as the first quarter last year.
Andre S. Valentine: Turning to profitability, non-GAAP operating income was $319 million in the first quarter, up $102 million compared with the first quarter of 2023. Our non-GAAP operating margin was 13.3%, the same as the first quarter last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $384 million, up $129 million year over year. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.0%, up 40 basis points from the first quarter of 2023. Flow through from revenue growth and efficiency gains across our business more than offset investments to ramp new programs and accelerate investment in AI development and deployment. On a pro-forma basis, first quarter profitability metrics improved as follows. Non-GAAP operating income was up $12 million, and non-GAAP operating margin was up 30 basis points compared with last year. Adjusted EBITDA was up $14 million, and the adjusted EBITDA margin was up 30 basis points from last year. Non-GAAP Net Income was $176 million in the quarter, compared with $136 million in the first quarter of last year.
Andre S. Valentine: Adjusted EBITDA was $384 million up $129 million a year over year.
Andre S. Valentine: Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.0% up 40 basis points from the first quarter of 2023.
Andre S. Valentine: Through from revenue growth and efficiency gains across our business more than offset investments to ramp new programs and accelerated investment in AI development and deployment.
Andre S. Valentine: On a pro forma basis first quarter profit profitability metrics improved as follows non-GAAP operating income was up $12 million and non-GAAP operating margin was up 30 basis points compared with last year.
Andre S. Valentine: Adjusted EBITDA was up $14 million and adjusted EBITDA margin was up 30 basis points from last year.
Andre S. Valentine: non-GAAP net income was $176 million in the quarter compared with $136 million in the first quarter of last year.
Andre S. Valentine: non-GAAP EPS was $2 57 per share compared with $2 59 per share in the first quarter of 2023.
Andre S. Valentine: GAAP results for the first quarter of 2024 included $116 million in amortization of intangibles.
Andre S. Valentine: $30 million in expenses related to the web help combination and integration.
Andre S. Valentine: $22 million of share based compensation expense.
Andre S. Valentine: Non-gap EPS was $2.57 per share compared with $2.59 per share in the first quarter of 2023. Gap results for the first quarter of 2024 included $116 million in amortization of intangibles. $30 million in expenses related to the web help combination and integration, and $22 million in share-based compensation expenses. $3 million in step-up depreciation, a $15 million change in acquisition contingent consideration, $7 million in net foreign currency losses, and $4 million in imputed interest related to the seller's note issued in connection with the combination.
Andre S. Valentine: $3 million and step up depreciation.
Andre S. Valentine: A $15 million change in acquisition content contingent consideration seven.
Andre S. Valentine: $7 million and net foreign currency losses, and $4 million in imputed interest related to the seller's note issued in connection with the combination.
Andre S. Valentine: While our cash generation in the quarter reflects typical seasonality cash generation in the quarter was further impacted by a one time large client payment delays and bringing forward. Some integration expenses related to the combination. The client payment was received early in the second quarter and we expect integration expenses to moderate over the course of the year.
Andre S. Valentine: We remain confident in our full year free cash flow guidance of $700 million.
Andre S. Valentine: While our cash generation in the quarter reflects typical seasonality, cash generation in the quarter was further impacted by a one-time large client payment delay and some integration expenses related to the combination. The client payment was received early in the second quarter, and we expect integration expenses to moderate over the course of the year. We remain confident in our full-year free cash flow guidance of $700 million. To provide a better view of cash generation in the quarter, we've added an adjusted free cash flow metric that isolates and eliminates the impact of the Web Help Factoring program that we have continued since the combination. This adjustment aims to provide a clear understanding of caste generation by eliminating the temporary impact of increases and decreases in outstanding factored accounts receivable. During the quarter, the amount of factored accounts receivable decreased by $22 million.
Andre S. Valentine: To provide a better view of cash generation in the quarter. We've added an adjusted free cash flow metric that isolates and eliminates the impact of the withheld factoring program that we have continued since the combination. This adjustment aims to provide a clear understanding of cash generation.
Andre S. Valentine: By eliminating the eliminating the temporary impact of increases and decreases and outstanding factored accounts receivable during the quarter the matter of factored accounts receivable decreased by $22 million.
Andre S. Valentine: Turning to the balance sheet at the end of the first quarter cash and cash equivalents were $235 million and total debt.
Andre S. Valentine: It was $5.037 billion net debt was $4.802 billion at the end of the first quarter.
Andre S. Valentine: Net leverage stood at three point out times pro forma adjusted EBITDA at quarter end.
Andre S. Valentine: With the seasonal pattern of strong free cash flow expected in Q2 and expected to continue for the balance of the year, we plan to achieve a meaningful reduction of net debt and net leverage beginning in the second quarter and continuing through the end of 2024, we're committed to our plan to reduce net leverage to close to two times adjusted EBITDA.
Andre S. Valentine: Turning to the balance sheet, at the end of the first quarter, cash and cash equivalents were $235 million, and total debt was $5.037 billion. Net debt was $4.802 billion at the end of the first quarter.
Andre S. Valentine: Within two years at the close of the web help combination.
Andre S. Valentine: Our commitment to investment grade principles continues accordingly, our capital allocation priorities are to drive organic growth.
Andre S. Valentine: Realized integration synergies related to the combination.
Andre S. Valentine: Repay debt, while continuing a disciplined program of returning capital to our shareholders through our dividend and disciplined share repurchases.
Andre S. Valentine: Net leverage stood at 3.0 times pro forma adjusted EBITDA at quarter end. With the seasonal pattern of strong free cash flow expected in Q2 and expected to continue for the balance of the year, we plan to achieve a meaningful reduction in net debt and net leverage beginning in the second quarter and continuing through the end of 2024. We're committed to our plan to reduce net leverage to close to two times adjusted EBITDA within two years of the close of the WebHelp combination. Our commitment to investment grade principles continues. Accordingly, our capital allocation priorities are to drive organic growth, realize integration synergies related to the combination, repay debt, while continuing a disciplined program of returning capital to our shareholders through our dividend and a disciplined share repurchase. During the first quarter, we repurchased approximately 240,000 shares of our stock for approximately $22 million at an average price of approximately $90 per share, and we paid $21 million through our quarterly dividend. At quarter end, the remaining authorization on our share repurchase plan was approximately $268 million.
Andre S. Valentine: During the first quarter, we repurchased approximately 240000 shares of our stock for approximately $22 million at an average price of approximately $90 per share and we paid $21 million through our quarterly dividend.
Andre S. Valentine: At quarter end, the remaining authorization on our share repurchase plan was approximately $268 million, our liquidity remains strong at $145 billion, including our over $1 billion line of credit which is undrawn.
Speaker Change: Now I'll turn my attention to the business outlook for the second quarter and the full year 2024.
Speaker Change: For the second quarter, we expect revenue to be in a range of $2 $3 billion to $5 billion to $2 $3 $72 billion based on current exchange rates.
Speaker Change: This reflects approximately 1% to 3% pro forma constant currency growth.
Speaker Change: Net of an approximately 160 basis point exchange rate headwind.
Speaker Change: Pro forma revenue assuming the web help combination occurred at the beginning of 2023 would have been 233 $9 billion in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: In terms of profitability in the second quarter, we expect non-GAAP operating income in a range of $320 million to $330 million.
Speaker Change: At the midpoint of our guidance this equates to a non-GAAP operating income margin of approximately 13, 8% an increase of 10 basis points over the prior year and 60 basis points on a pro forma basis on a pro forma basis non-GAAP operating income was $309 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Andre S. Valentine: Our liquidity remains strong at $1.45 billion, including our over $1 billion line of credit, which is undrawn. Now, I'll turn my attention to the business outlook for the second quarter and the full year 2024. For the second quarter, we expect revenue to be in a range of $2.325 billion to $2.372 billion based on current exchange rates. This reflects approximately 1% to 3% pro forma, constant currency growth, net of an approximately 160 basis point exchange rate head. Pro forma revenue, assuming the Webhelp combination occurred at the beginning of 2023, would have been $2.339 billion in the second quarter of 2023. In terms of profitability, for the second quarter, we expect non-GAAP operating income in a range of $320 to $330 million. At the midpoint of our guidance, this equates to a non-GAAP operating income margin of approximately 13.8%, an increase of 10 basis points over the prior year and 60 basis points on a pro forma basis. On a pro-forma basis, non-GAAP operating income was $309 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: Our non-GAAP EPS expectations for the second quarter or a range of $2 55 per share to.
Speaker Change: To $2 70 per share.
Speaker Change: We expect interest expense in the second quarter to be in a range of $78 million to $80 million, excluding $4 million of imputed interest on the seller's note.
Speaker Change: We expect a non-GAAP effective tax rate of approximately 26% to 27%, we expect weighted average diluted share count of approximately 65 5 million shares.
Speaker Change: For the second quarter, we estimate that about 4% of net income will be attributable to participating securities at about 96% of total net income will be attributable to common shares.
Speaker Change: Finally based on our strong start and continued confidence in our strategy and execution. We are affirming our full year 2024 guidance. We expect 2020 for revenue to be in a range of 951 billion to $9 seven zero billion.
Speaker Change: Afflicting, approximately 1% to 3% pro forma constant currency growth.
Speaker Change: Net of an approximately 70 basis points exchange rate headwind.
Speaker Change: We expect non-GAAP operating income in a range of $1 three 9 billion to $1 $45 billion, which represents a 14, 8% margin at the midpoint, an increase of 90 basis points on a pro forma basis.
Speaker Change: We continue to expect to realize first year synergies of $65 million. The current run rate is approximately $65 million on an annualized basis.
Andre S. Valentine: Our NIGAP EPS expectations for the second quarter are a range of $2.55 per share to $2.70 per share. We expect interest expense in the second quarter to be in a range of $78 to $80 million, excluding $4 million of imputed interest on the seller's note.
Speaker Change: Our non non-GAAP EPS expectations for the full year remain in a range of $11 69 per share.
Speaker Change: The $12 50 per share.
Speaker Change: We expect full year interest expense to be in a range of $300 million to $304 million, excluding $60 million of imputed interest on the seller's note an effective tax rate of approximately 26% to 27% and a weighted average diluted share count of approximately $65 3 million shares.
Andre S. Valentine: We expect a non-gap effective tax rate of approximately 26 to 27%. Additionally, we expect a weighted average diluted share count of approximately 65.5 million shares. For the second quarter, we estimate that about 4% of net income will be attributable to participating securities, and about 96% of total net income will be attributable to common shares. Finally, based on our strong start and continued confidence in our strategy and execution, we're affirming our full year 2024 guidance. We expect 2024 revenue to be in a range of $9.51 billion to $9.70 billion, reflecting approximately 1 to 3% pro forma constant currency growth, net of an approximately 70 basis point exchange rate head. We expect non-GAAP operating income to be in a range of $1.39 billion to $1.45 billion, which represents a 14.8% margin at the midpoint, an increase of 90 basis points on a pro forma basis.
Speaker Change: In terms of cash flow, we expect adjusted free cash flow of $700 million in 2024 inclusive of acquisition and integration costs.
Speaker Change: This assumes no change in the amount of factored accounts receivable from the beginning of the year. This will position us to further reduce our net leverage to approximately two five times adjusted EBITDA by year end.
Speaker Change: While committing to the enhanced share repurchase activity, Chris mentioned earlier.
Speaker Change: Our business outlook and cash flow expectations do not include any future acquisitions or impacts from future foreign currency fluctuations.
Speaker Change: In conclusion, we are pleased with our performance in the first quarter, we remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead most.
Speaker Change: Most importantly, we are executing our strategic plan, we are confident in our ability to deliver our full year guidance for revenue profitability and cash flow.
Thank you for your continued support and we look forward to updating you on our progress in quarters to come.
Speaker Change: With that Josh Please open the line for questions.
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Josh: Our first question comes from Joseph <unk> with Canaccord Genuity you May proceed.
Joseph: Hey, guys.
Joseph: Good afternoon. Good results nice, it's nice to see the reiteration of the guide.
Andre S. Valentine: We continue to expect to realize first-year synergies of $65 million. The current run rate is approximately $65 million on an annualized basis. Our non-GAAP EPS expectations for the full year remain in a range of $11.69 per share to $12.50 per share. We expect full-year interest expense to be in a range of $300 to $304 million, excluding $60 million of imputed interest on the seller's note, an effective tax rate of approximately 26 to 27 percent, and a weighted average diluted share count of approximately 65.3 million shares.
Speaker Change: A lot to a lot to look at here Chris.
Joseph: But a lot of interesting prepared remarks here this quarter I thought we'd kind of drill down a little bit you talked about catalysts all that much here. The last couple of quarters. It looks like perhaps they are seeing a bit of a tailwind from kind of AI related activities across your.
Joseph: Customer base, so I thought maybe we could drill down on that a little bit.
Joseph: To begin with and you know kind of I guess, a high level update on kind of the puts and takes of AI across your customers and what they're talking about with the most recent updates on.
Joseph: You know, what what Theyre thinking about the technology and then I'll have a follow up.
Unknown Attendee: In terms of cash flow, we expected just a free cash flow of $700 million in 2024, inclusive of acquisition and integration costs. This assumes no change in the amount of factored accounts receivable from the beginning of the year. This will position us to further reduce our net leverage to approximately 2.5 times adjusted EBITDA by year end, while committing to the enhanced share repurchase activity Chris mentioned earlier. Our business outlook and cash flow expectations do not include any future acquisitions or impacts from future foreign currency fluctuations. In conclusion, we are pleased with our performance in the first quarter and remain optimistic about the opportunities ahead. Most importantly, we are executing our strategic plan, and we are confident in our ability to deliver our full year guidance for revenue, profitability, and cash flow.
Speaker Change: Yes for sure Joe.
Speaker Change: A couple of things just in terms of catalysts, we are really happy with the returning back to double digit growth. That's a combination of sort of strength across a number of different areas not only sort of see cost application deployment. Our analytics business is doing is doing nicely strategy and consulting is doing nicely and our development business.
Speaker Change: Rich has an AI component is definitely getting some some some strength from from that that's the only the AI. We do we also do a lot of automation and AI that's built into the solution.
Speaker Change: That doesn't get classified as catalyst revenue that goes through the rest of our client.
Speaker Change: Client success business, and so you kind of up to see the whole picture to see all of the services that we offer that being said we are very happy because we are seeing a lot more demand of clients coming to us looking for integration services and looking for deployment of technology, and we expect to see that continue.
Just in terms of AI.
Speaker Change: We can.
Speaker Change: We continue to have literally hundreds and hundreds of conversations with clients, we're continuing to deploy our own tools. We're now up to hundreds of our own clients, who are using our tools that we've developed internally for productivity gains and for better outcomes and better insights into what we do for our clients. We're also continuing to deploy and develop.
Speaker Change: Albeit smaller add scale solutions that directly go to end customers that might completely.
Unknown Attendee: Thank you for your continued support, and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the quarters to come. With that, Josh, please open the line for questions. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again.
Speaker Change: Automate work as well as augment augment work.
Speaker Change: Certain sectors are moving a little faster banking financial securities just because of compliance issues and security issues and just kind of a risk adverse issues, they're taking a little longer to kind of put out a thing to scale. Other clients are moving a little faster from a scale perspective, where.
Speaker Change: We're balancing that off by making sure that we have the right solutions for them.
Joseph Anthony Vafi: One moment for questions. Our first question comes from Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. You may proceed. Hey, guys. Good afternoon.
Speaker Change: Got it.
Speaker Change: Great and then.
Speaker Change: I think Andre you talked to kind of drill down on on growth across some of your verticals.
Speaker Change: It kind of seems like most everything is at least in the positive column, except for maybe telco. So maybe you could kind of drill down on what youre seeing kind of real time and volume commitments across verticals do you think it's really just does it really kind of just telco.
Unknown Attendee: Good results. Nice to see the reiteration of the guide. A lot to look at here. Chris, a lot of interesting prepared remarks this quarter. I thought we'd kind of drill down a little bit. You hadn't talked about Catalyst all that much here the last couple quarters.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Looks like perhaps they are seeing a bit of a tailwind from kind of AI-related activities across your customer base. So I thought maybe we could drill down on that a little bit to begin with and give kind of, I guess, a high-level update on kind of the puts and takes of AI across your customers and what they're talking about with the most recent updates on what they're thinking about the technology. And then I'll follow up. Yeah, for sure, Joe.
Speaker Change: Hum at this point that.
Speaker Change: You know the big weight on on on the growth number any comments there would be appreciated. Thank you very much guys.
Speaker Change: Sure So yeah, telco, Joe dropping by 4% year over year. It is the only vertical that is decreasing.
Speaker Change: Decreasing in revenue for us and that's been a continuation of a trend that we've seen actually pointed out you know telco is a bit of a mixed bag.
Christopher A. Caldwell: So a couple things, just in terms of catalyst, we are really happy with returning back to double digit growth. That's a combination of sort of strength across a number of different areas, not only sort of CCAST, application deployment, our analytics business is doing, is doing nicely, strategy and consulting is doing nicely, and our development business, which has an AI component, is definitely getting some, some, some strength from that. That's not only the AI we do; we also do a lot of automation and AI that's built into solutions that doesn't get classified as catalyst revenue that goes through the rest of our client success business. And so you kind of have to see the whole picture to see all the services that we offer.
Speaker Change: We do have the overall headwind is as I said, it's a few north American telcos that are shifting.
Speaker Change: Shifting.
Speaker Change: I think volume declines.
Speaker Change: Or are some of that work is also commoditize work, where we've said in the past that we don't want to chase the work on pricing. The good news here is we're actually seeing a lot of strength in <unk>.
Speaker Change: European Telco and a lot of strength within the telco vertical in the catalyst business that is certainly one of the verticals within catalyst that is leading to that double or sorry about that.
Speaker Change: Chris spoke about so and then you know as we look across the other verticals just tremendous strength in retail travel and E Commerce, our banking and financial services remains strong.
Speaker Change: Yeah, and so forth.
Speaker Change: Great guys. Thanks for the color nice quarter.
Christopher A. Caldwell: That being said, we are very happy because we are seeing a lot more demand from clients coming to us looking for integration services and looking for the deployment of technology. And we expect to see that continue. You know, we can; we continue to have literally hundreds and hundreds of conversations with clients. We're continuing to deploy our own tools. We're now up to hundreds of our own clients who are using our tools that we've developed internally for productivity gains and for better outcomes and better insights into what we do for our clients. We're also continuing to deploy and develop, albeit smaller, at scale solutions that directly go to end customers that might completely automate work as well as augment augment work. Certain sectors are moving a little faster, banking, financial security, just because of compliance issues and security issues and just kind of risk-averse issues, they're taking a little longer to kind of put everything into scale. Other clients are moving a little faster from a scale perspective. We're balancing that off by making sure that we have the right solutions for them. Got it.
Speaker Change: Thank you Georgia.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: One moment for questions.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Rupert <unk> with Bank of America You May proceed.
Rupert: Hi, and thank you for taking my questions.
Rupert: I was wondering if you can clarify the guidance a little bit it seems you're guiding to somewhat below street, but you've kept the full year revenue and operating income guidance unchanged.
Rupert: EPS guidance is also unchanged, but now includes 100 million of buybacks. So that's the overall guidance and play a more back half weighted year and is there something happening below the operating income line that the same EPS range now includes $100 million of buybacks.
Rupert: If you can just clarify the guidance and the seasonality this year.
Speaker Change: Sure. So so certainly our confidence in the guidance is based first and foremost and what we see.
Speaker Change: In the pipeline, what we're hearing from our clients and what we feel we can do.
Speaker Change: Deliver through continued efficiency in our delivery whether that be on the client success side of things the core operations or within catalyst.
Speaker Change: Our initial expectation.
Speaker Change: For EPS for the full year did include some buyback in it so what we.
Speaker Change: And as a result, the full year guide if you go back to the last.
Unknown Attendee: That's great. And then I think, Andre, you talked about growth across some of your verticals. It kind of seems like most everything is, at least in the positive column, except for maybe telco. So maybe we can kind of drill down on, you know, what you're seeing in terms of real time and volume commitments across verticals. Do you think it's really just, is it really kind of just telco at this point that some, you know, the big weight on, on, on the growth numbers? Any comments there would be appreciated. Thank you very much.
Our guidance was based on shares I think we said it was $65 6 million fully diluted shares with the increased buyback activity, which again is an averaging function for the full year that is down to about 65 got three 2 million shares so not that big of an increase we have seen offsetting.
Speaker Change: That are.
Speaker Change: The benefit of that we have seen if you go to that in my prepared remarks, a little bit of an uptick in interest expense largely from the delays that we've seen in some of the rate cutting that was built into the expectation that was built into our earlier guide. So those are the things that are happening there again, we're very confident in.
Andre S. Valentine: Sure. So yeah, Telco, Joe, dropping by 4% year over year is the only vertical that is decreasing in revenue for us. And that's been a continuation of a trend that we've seen. I should point out that Telco is a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker Change: In a proper.
Speaker Change: Profitability guide for the back half of the year.
Speaker Change: Again with the strong revenue growth and the ability to drive more efficiency in our operations as we move forward and of course, the synergies continuing to come online and I should say I'm glad I've mentioned the synergies I may have misspoken in my prepared remarks, and said our full year first your expectation was $65 million, let me clarify that it's 75.
Andre S. Valentine: We do have the overall headwind, as I said, it's a few North American telcos that are shifting or seeing volume declines or some of that work is also commoditized work where we've said in the past that we don't want to chase the work on pricing. The good news there is we're actually seeing a lot of strength in European telcos and a lot of strength within the telco vertical in That is certainly one of the verticals within catalyst that is leading to that double-digit growth that Chris spoke about. So then, you know, as we look across the other verticals, just tremendous strength in retail, travel, and e-commerce, banking and financial services remain strong, and so forth. Great, guys. Thanks for the color.
Speaker Change: Which is what we said when we announced the transaction and close it.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thanks for that and maybe Chris can I ask you to talk a little bit about the operating environment, specifically in terms of new logo wins deal sizes and sales cycle.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Also the new economy clients growth has have had the mckee the operating environment changed materially in the past 90 days.
Christopher A. Caldwell: So let me answer the question in reverse from a new economy clients, we're seeing them really growing in line with the enterprise clients, where we're not seeing any materially different than what we saw sort of a year or two years ago, So fintech or growing kind of in line with what we're seeing in health care growing in line with what we're seeing et cetera, et cetera et cetera.
Christopher A. Caldwell: They are still very focused on profitability.
Ruplu Bhattacharya: Nice quarter. Thank you, Gertrude. Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Rupu Bhattacharya with Bank of America. You may proceed. Hi, thank you for taking my questions.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And in optimizing their their footprint versus growing for the sake of growth, which has been a consistent theme for probably the last year.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We are seeing with our new combination a lot more larger transformational deals coming into our pipeline, which we're very very happy about it.
Ruplu Bhattacharya: Andre, I was wondering if you could clarify the guidance a little bit. Seems you're guiding 2Q somewhat below street, but you've kept the full year revenue and operating income guidance unchanged. The EPS guidance is also unchanged, but now includes 100 million in buybacks.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And these tend to be much more global lot more tech integration lot more service a combination.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Some definitely with with our AI, whether its generative AI or machine learning depending on what they are trying to accomplish.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We will take longer.
Christopher A. Caldwell: What we're happy about is that we are now.
Andre S. Valentine: So does the overall guidance imply a more back half-weighted year? And is there something happening below the operating income line that the same EPS range now includes 100 million in buybacks? So if you can just clarify the guidance and the seasonality. Sure, so certainly, our confidence in the guidance is based first and foremost on what we see in the pipeline, what we're hearing from our clients, and what we feel we can deliver through continued efficiency in our delivery, whether that be on the client success side of things, the core operations, or within catalyst. Our initial expectation for EPS for the full year did include some buyback in it. So what we've got, as a result. The full-year guide, if you go back to the last guidance, was based on shares.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Engage with them, where we're having good meetings with them and those are working through the pipeline they always take longer or general deals that we're winning from a new logo perspective, no real change in timeline.
Christopher A. Caldwell: One comment about them, though is that there still are coming in.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And we're generally doing some transformation with them as they come in and so they tend to come in at a revenue level and don't necessarily grow as much primarily based on the macroeconomic conditions that are out there.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We see them increasing win when they start to grow at a much more rapid pace than they are growing now.
Christopher A. Caldwell: But what we're happy about is the quality of logos, we're very happy about how they're consuming tech and services in the combination we're very happy about where they're starting to deliver from and we're very happy that we're starting to see that synergistic a combination of what we called out in the some of the wins between bringing the two organizations together.
Andre S. Valentine: I think we've said it was 65.6 million fully diluted shares. With the increased buyback activity, which again is an averaging function for the full year, that is down to about 65.3 million shares, so not that big of an increase. We have seen offsetting the benefit of that. We have seen, if you go to my prepared remarks, a little bit of an uptick in interest expense, largely due to the delays that we've seen in some of the rate cutting expectation that was built into our earlier guide. So those are the things that are happening there.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And other than we'd expected.
Speaker Change: Okay, and maybe ill try and sneak just one more quick one and then in terms of capital return you've announced the 100 million in buybacks, how should we think about the pace of that Andre over the next three quarters and Chris I mean, now that you're integrating <unk>.
Can you talk about your propensity for further M&A I mean is this something you are considering now or do you want to fully integrate the bell first so just your thoughts on further inorganic growth. Thank you so much.
Speaker Change: Yeah. So just I'll answer the first question I'm, sorry, I'll answer the last question and then Andre will answer the capital return question from.
Speaker Change: From an M&A perspective, we're very very far along in the integration of the two businesses like very very far along from the integration of the two businesses.
Andre S. Valentine: Again, we're very confident in the profitability guide for the back half of the year, again with strong revenue growth and the ability to drive more efficiency in our operations as we move forward. And, of course, the synergies continuing to come online. And I'm glad I mentioned the synergies. I may have misspoken in my prepared remarks and said our full year, first year expectation was $65 million.
Speaker Change: We definitely want to finish that we definitely want to make sure that we get our synergies clearly we'd also like to overachieve. Our synergies. So that is a big focus on ours from an M&A perspective, what we really look at it as something that if it makes sense economically.
Speaker Change: Tuck in capabilities added discipline and some technology that we think that we could get a fairly high return on very quickly that might be of interest.
Andre S. Valentine: Let me clarify that it's $75 million, which is what we said when we announced the transaction and closed it. Okay, thanks for that. And maybe, Chris, can I ask you to talk a little bit about the operating environment, specifically in terms of new logo wins, deal sizes, and sales cycle, and also new economy client growth? Has the operating environment changed materially in the past 90 days? So, let me answer the question in reverse.
Speaker Change: But really the focus is on completing the integration and driving the value out of that for the shareholders first.
Speaker Change: And then from a share buyback perspective route blue again.
We certainly feel our shares are significantly undervalued at this point in time, but I think you'll see the pace and cadence there'll be relatively spread over the the balance of the year now that's quite an increase.
Speaker Change: From the pace in Q1, particularly if you think about it on a <unk>.
Speaker Change: Shares basis.
Speaker Change: And where were currently trading.
Speaker Change: While it's about a 50% increase in dollar amount of share repurchases the number of shares.
Christopher A. Caldwell: From new economy clients, we're seeing them really growing in line with the enterprise clients. We're not seeing any material difference in what we saw sort of a year or two years ago. So fintechs are growing kind of in line with what we're seeing, and healthcare is growing in line with what we're seeing, etc, etc, etc. They are still very focused on profitability and optimizing their footprint versus growing for the sake of growth, which has been a consistent theme for probably the last year. We are seeing, with our new combination, a lot more larger transformational deals coming into our pipeline, which we're very, very happy about, and these tend to be much more global, a lot more tech integration, a lot more service to combination, some definitely with AI, whether it's generative AI or machine learning depending on what they're trying to accomplish. Those will take longer. What we're happy about is that we are now engaged with them, we're having good meetings with them, and those are working through the pipeline. But they always take longer.
Speaker Change: If we continue to buy at that this kind of share price would be twice the number of shares per quarter that we retired in the first quarter.
Speaker Change: Thanks for all the details appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: One moment for questions.
Scotiabank: Our next question comes from video Girl with Scotiabank you May proceed.
Girl: Good afternoon, everyone. So thanks.
Girl: So good quarter and thanks, a lot for taking my question here.
Girl: I wanted to get some color on.
Girl: This scale automation that Chris you talked about so it's interesting of this being something that we've been hearing about more often.
Girl: Nowadays could you help us understand from a CX standpoint, how do you see a shift in revenue model going forward with the scale up automation now coming in and with obviously.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: Yeah. So let me talk about in two dimensions. The first thing is that.
Christopher A. Caldwell: What do you have to look out at the complexity of the transaction doesn't matter how the transaction happens voicemail voice that's immaterial, it's really about the complexity of the transaction.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Our general deals that we're winning from a new logo perspective, no real change in timeline. My comment about them, though, is that they still are coming in, and we're generally doing some transformation with them as they come in, and so they tend to come in at a revenue level and don't necessarily grow as much primarily based on the macro economic conditions that are out there. We see them increasing when they start to grow at a much more rapid pace, and they're growing now internally.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And what we're seeing is our clients are clearly focused on the most cost effective way as they've always been this is not new.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Effective way of automating work.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Other two our generative AI is just another tool to make that happen and what we're seeing and what we wanted to demonstrate with the example of.
Christopher A. Caldwell: The large regional airline that we've done.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Is that as we have automated work, we've seen the client be able to be more efficient and be able to maybe grow faster than the marketplace or look.
Christopher A. Caldwell: What we're happy about is the quality of the logos. We're very happy about how they're consuming tech and services in a combination. We're very happy about where they're starting to deliver from, and we're very happy that we're starting to see that synergistic combination of what we call that in the sum of the wins between bringing the two organizations together a little sooner than we expected. Okay, maybe I'll try and sneak just one more quick one in.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Look at additional work that they've done in house and outsource it to us because we're more effective in dealing with their work and so we continue to see it as a benefit and continue to want to make sure that we automate it plus we get stickier with our clients. If we're driving the automation within there the account base and so we see it as a frankly a strong positive regenerative.
Ruplu Bhattacharya: And in terms of capital return, you've announced 100 million in buybacks. How should we think about the pace of that, Andre, over the next three quarters? And Chris, I mean, now that you're integrating web help, can you talk about your propensity for further M&A? I mean, is this something you're considering now? Or do you want to fully integrate web help first? So, just your thoughts on further inorganic growth. Thank you so much.
Christopher A. Caldwell: I specifically.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Look.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of combinations are conversations with clients clients, primarily are still focused on our staff augmentation and delivering a better service with better productivity than complete labor replacement that will come for sure. We're doing that now in some places like again a regional airline.
Christopher A. Caldwell: For example in a large retailer in Europe that we're doing that we'll we'll definitely remove some work, but they're giving us more work that have historically been outsourced to offset that because we're far more efficient at being able to deliver these solutions.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Yeah, so I'll just answer the first question. And, sorry, I'll answer the last question. And Andre will answer the capital return question. From an M&A perspective, we're very, very far along in the integration of the two businesses. Like very, very far along from the integration of the two businesses. We definitely want to finish by saying that we definitely want to make sure that we get our synergies. Clearly, we'd also like to overachieve our synergies.
Speaker Change: That's helpful. So.
Speaker Change: Along the same lines like you did talk about the cabinet business, that's growing very very well and catalysts from what I understand is obviously predominantly digital engineering you did provide the breakdown of what exactly does it comprised but given the competitive pressure out there given the.
Speaker Change: Lack of discretionary spending and the recent results by some of the larger companies out there do you see pricing pressure or what are some of the drivers for that growth in the cabinets business.
Speaker Change: Yeah. Good question, so I would agree with the sentiment in the marketplace as people are not signing off on multi multi year transformational deals or re platforming deals et cetera, and that was a big part of our catalyst business you know two and a half years ago now.
Andre S. Valentine: So that is a big focus of ours. From an M&A perspective, what we really look at is something that, if it makes sense economically, tuck in, add some capabilities, add a discipline, add some technology that we think that we could get a fairly high return on very quickly. That might be of interest. But really, the focus is on completing the integration and driving value out of that for the shareholders first. And then, from a share buyback perspective, Ruplu, again, we certainly feel our shares are significantly undervalued at this point in time. But I think you'll see the pace and cadence there be relatively spread over the balance of the year.
Speaker Change: Now people are looking for much faster return on investment within our fiscal year within a couple of quarters and so that's changed the type of engagement that we've seen but we also do very very well at that because we understand the domain knowledge of our clients. So well that we can see where there is low hanging fruit to be able to put in our technology and catalyst is not aligned with.
Speaker Change: The platforms that are out there, but also we can build a bespoke. We also are very good at sort of the journey mapping consulting. So we can actually do the whole design build run within that business specific to that client and because were servicing that client generally the vast majority of those are as far as we have the domain knowledge to understand where the.
Andre S. Valentine: Now, that's quite an increase from the pace in Q1, particularly if you think about it on a share basis, based on where we're currently trading. While it's about a 50% increase in the dollar amount of share repurchases, the number of shares, if we continue to buy at this kind of share price, would be twice the number of shares per quarter that we retired in the first quarter. Thanks for all the details.
Speaker Change: The best benefit is for that client and that is really resonating in the marketplace.
Speaker Change: And certainly has resonated more in the last couple of quarters, where we're actually seeing that consumption of services in an integrated fashion.
Speaker Change: Better than what we what we've seen prior.
Speaker Change: That's helpful. Thanks, a lot for the color.
Ruplu Bhattacharya: I appreciate it. Sure. Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Divya Goyal with Scotiabank. You may proceed. Good afternoon, everyone.
Speaker Change: Thank you and as a reminder to ask a question. Please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.
Speaker Change: One moment for questions.
Divya S. Goyal: So thanks. So, good quarter. And thanks a lot for taking my question here. I wanted to get some color on the scale of automation that Chris you talked about. So it's interesting, obviously, and something that we've been hearing about more, more often nowadays. Could you help us understand, from a CX standpoint, how do you see a shift in revenue going forward with the scale of automation now coming in and with, obviously, AI playing a bigger role going forward? Yeah, so let me talk about two dimensions.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Vincent Colicchio with Barrington Research you May proceed.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Vincent Alexander Colicchio: Yeah, Chris I'm curious are.
Vincent Alexander Colicchio: The productivity benefits from some of the new tools, you're developed are meeting your expectations.
Vincent Alexander Colicchio: And is there any way to quantify.
Vincent Alexander Colicchio: Benefit for 24.
Christopher A. Caldwell: Yeah. So the vast majority of our I think meeting our expectations. There's a few that we think we can do a lot better with and you know some of this requires a lot of changes within our clients' data structures and cleaning our clients day to get the best benefit from it that's one of the big things that you need to do.
Christopher A. Caldwell: The first thing is that what you have to look at is the complexity of the transaction. It doesn't matter how the transaction happens; voice, non-voice; that's immaterial. It's really about the complexity of the transaction, and what we're seeing is that clients are clearly focused on the most cost-effective way, as they've always been. This is not the new, most effective way of automating work. AI is just another tool, or generative AI is just another tool to make that happen.
Christopher A. Caldwell: When you're driving better efficiencies with the.
Machine learning AI or regenerative AI.
Christopher A. Caldwell: And.
Christopher A. Caldwell: We see there being a lot more benefits as we roll it out further both from a margin perspective, and really add value to our client perspective, we haven't really quantified. It in terms of a margin perspective, because we're taking a lot of those savings and reinvesting it in more deployments in and more features in the tools. So I'd hesitate to kind of give you a number but I'll tell you like it.
Christopher A. Caldwell: It's thousands of people, we've been able to two two.
Christopher A. Caldwell: I'm wondering what's the best way of putting it is basically thousands of people we haven't needed to hire a while we've been able to grow the business based on the productivity and we just see that increasing.
Christopher A. Caldwell: What we're seeing and what we want to demonstrate with the example of the large regional airline that we did is that, as we have automated work, we've seen the client be able to be more efficient, be able to maybe grow fast in the marketplace, or look at additional work that they do in-house and outsource it to us because we're more effective in dealing with their work. And so we continue to see this as a benefit and continue to want to make sure that we automate it. Plus, we get stickier with the clients if we're driving the automation within their account base. So we see it as, frankly, a strong positive. With generative AI specifically, Look at literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of combinations or conversations with clients. Clients are still focused on staff augmentation and delivering a better service with better productivity than complete labor replacement. That will come for sure.
Speaker Change: And the second question.
Speaker Change: Question.
Speaker Change: In terms of geographies can you give us some color number one.
Speaker Change: What geographies should lead growth for the balance of 'twenty four.
Speaker Change: Has there been any are there any geographies where you're feeling.
Speaker Change: Feeling different than you were a quarter ago.
Speaker Change: So the great news there.
Vincent who were actually growing quite nicely across most of our geographies and seeing strong demand. The one place where that is not the case is north America.
Speaker Change: And so we've talked for a while about.
Speaker Change: They've been more cost pressure on people certainly we look to automate more but also that they look to to move and Swiss sure. So are very very strong near shore offerings and offshore offerings are helpful. In that regard it does come with a bit of a revenue headwind in North America, but frankly from a sustainability.
Speaker Change: Alrighty and long term profitability perspective, we're very happy to make those moves.
Speaker Change: Thanks, guys nice quarter.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: We're doing that now in some places, like again, a regional airline example in a large retailer in Europe that we're doing it. That will definitely remove some work, but they're giving us more work that historically they haven't outsourced to offset that because we're far more efficient at being able to deliver these solutions. That's helpful. So along the same lines, like you did talk about your catalyst business that's growing very, very well. And catalyst, from what I understand, is obviously predominantly digital engineering; you did provide the breakdown of what exactly it comprises. But given the competitive pressure out there, given the lack of discretionary spending and the recent results by some of the larger companies out there, do you see pricing pressure? Or what are some of the drivers for that growth in the catalyst business? Yeah, a good question.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: So I would agree that the sense in the marketplace is people are not signing off on multi-multi year transformational deals or replatforming deals, etc. And that was a big part of our catalyst business, you know, two and a half years ago. Now people are looking for much faster return on investment within a fiscal year within a couple of quarters. And so that's changed the type of engagement that we've seen.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: But we also do very, very well at that because we understand the domain knowledge of our clients so well. We can see where there's low-hanging fruit to be able to put in our technology. And Catalyst is not only aligned with sort of the platforms that are out there, but we can build it bespoke. We also are, you know, very good at sort of journey mapping consulting. So we can actually do the whole design and build process within that business specific to that client.
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Divya S. Goyal: And because we're servicing that client, generally, the vast majority of those clients, we have the domain knowledge to understand where the best benefit is for that client. And that is really resonating in the marketplace and certainly has resonated more in the last couple of quarters where we're actually seeing that consumption of services in an integrated fashion better than what we've seen prior. That's helpful. Thanks a lot for all the color.
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Vincent Alexander Colicchio: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Vincent Colicchio with Barrington Research. You may proceed. Yeah, Chris, curious.
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Vincent Alexander Colicchio: Are the productivity benefits from some of the new tools you've developed meeting your expectations? And is there any way to quantify the margin benefit for 24? Yeah, so the vast majority are, I think, meeting our expectations. There's a few that we think we can do a lot better with. And some of this requires a lot of changes within our client's data structures and cleaning our client's data to get the best benefit from it. That's one of the big things that you need to do when you're driving better efficiency with either machine learning AI or generative AI.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: And we see there being a lot more benefits as we roll it out further, both from a margin perspective and from a really value-add perspective. We haven't really quantified it in terms of a margin perspective because we're taking a lot of those savings and reinvesting them in more deployments and more features in the tools. So I'd hesitate to kind of give you a number, but I'll tell you, like, it is.
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Christopher A. Caldwell: It's thousands of people we've been able to, Andre was the best way of putting it, basically thousands of people we haven't needed to hire while we've been able to grow the business based on productivity, and we just see that increasing. And secondly, in terms of geographies, can you give us some color? Number one, what geography should lead growth for the balance of 24? And has there been any other geographies where you're feeling different than you were a quarter ago? So the great news there, Vince, is we're actually growing quite nicely across most of our geographies and seeing strong demand. The one place where that is not the case is North America.
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Andre S. Valentine: And so we've talked for a while about, you know, as there's been more cost pressure on people, certainly, we've looked to automate more, but they've also looked to move and switch shores. So our very, very strong near shore offerings and offshore offerings are helpful in that regard. But it does come with a bit of a revenue headwind in North America.
Andre S. Valentine: But frankly, from a sustainability and long term profitability perspective, we're very happy to make those. Thanks, guys. Nice quarter. Thank you. Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Unknown Attendee. Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Christopher Colicchio, David Stein, David Stein, Unknown, [inaudible] Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Joseph Vafi, Vincent Colicchio, David Stein, Divya Goyal, Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Joseph Vafi, Vincent Colicchio, David Stein, Divya Goyal, Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Vincent Colicchio, David Stein, Divya Goyal, Unknown Attendee, [inaudible] Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, David Stein, Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Unknown Attendee, [inaudible] Unknown Attendee, Oliver Davies, Christopher Caldwell, David Stein, Divya Goyal, Unknown, [inaudible]
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