Q4 2023 Gold Royalty Corp Earnings Call
Joanne Jobin: I will be delighted to moderate questions from our audience. With us this morning is the Gold Royalty team led by Chairman and CEO, David Garofalo, who will give the introductions to the team and take you through the highlights of the most recent quarterly results. David, the stage is yours. Thank you, Joanne. Good morning, everybody.
Submitted questions from our audience with US. This morning is the gold royalty team led by Chairman and CEO, David Garofalo, who will make the intros to the team and take you through the highlights of the most recent quarterly results David the stage is yours.
David A. Garofalo: Thank you Joanne and good morning, everybody. We're delighted you could join us to talk about our fourth quarter results I'm joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Andrew doubles.
David A. Garofalo: We're delighted you could join us to talk about our fourth quarter results. I'm joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Andrew Gubbels, and our Director of Investment Relations and Corporate Development, Peter Behncke, and I'll pass this on to them shortly.
David A. Garofalo: Director of Investor Relations, and corporate development, Peter banking and I'll pass it onto them shortly but I thought what I would do to start today's talk a little bit about the gold price environment that we find ourselves in and I think it's been an auspicious start to the year. Many of the themes that we were talking about over the course of 2023 and even before that.
David A. Garofalo: But I thought what I would do to start the day was talk a little bit about the gold price environment that we find ourselves in. And I think it's been an auspicious start to the year. Many of the themes that we were talking about over the course of 2023 and even before that, have really come to pass in terms of a rising gold price in the face of falling real interest rates. However, inflation is still quite deeply entrenched. The headline numbers really understate the reality on the ground.
David A. Garofalo: Have really come to pass in terms of a rising gold price in the face of falling real interest rates.
David A. Garofalo: Inflation is still quite deeply entrenched the headline numbers really understate the reality on the ground.
David A. Garofalo: We're not experiencing 3% or 4% inflation. In fact, if you look at our day-to-day expenses, whether it's food, fuel, or shelter, and as we see interest rates reset on mortgages, we're seeing 15% to 20% inflation on the ground. And gold is a very accurate barometer of the inflation we're experiencing and where real interest rates lie. Yes, interest rates have stabilized on a nominal basis. They have gone up significantly in the last couple of years as the Federal Reserve and other central banks have tightened monetary policy. But the reality is inflation has continued to accelerate. So that's driven real interest rates down deeper and deeper into negative territory. What gold is telling you is that the purchasing power of your fiat currencies is steadily being deteriorated through inflation; you're losing your savings through inflation.
David A. Garofalo: Not experiencing three or 4% inflation in fact, if you look at our day to day expenses, whether it's food fuel our shelter and as we see interest rates reset on mortgages were seeing 15% to 20% inflation on the ground and gold is a very accurate barometer of the inflation, we're experiencing and we're real interest rates why yes.
David A. Garofalo: Interest rates have stabilized on a normal basis, they have gone up significantly in the last couple of years as the federal reserve and other central banks have tightened monetary policy, but the reality is inflation continue to accelerate so thats driven real interest rates down deeper and deeper into negative territory. What gold is telling you is the purchasing power of your fee occur.
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David A. Garofalo: You're losing your savings through inflation gold is the ultimate protector of your capital because it's the one currency can't be printed and it's telling us that inflation is still undermining the value of our paper currencies and we'll continue to do so.
David A. Garofalo: Gold is the ultimate protector of your capital because it's the one currency that can't be printed. And it's telling us that inflation is still undermining the value of our paper currencies and will continue to do so. The Federal Reserve is starting to pivot or at least signaling that they will and are going to be cutting nominal rates. And I would argue that's actually quite premature.
David A. Garofalo: I will reserve is starting to pivot or at least signaling that they will going to be cutting nominal rates and I would argue that's actually quite premature it's not going to be as a result of inflation coming down it's because of the onerous debt levels that we've stopped on globally at the government level corporate level and individually at 350 <unk>.
David A. Garofalo: It's not going to be as a result of inflation coming down. It's because of the onerous debt levels that we've stopped on globally at the government level, the corporate level, and individually at 350% debt to GDP. Interest rates right now, nominal rates make debt unserviceable. There's no fiscally responsible way for these governments to repay the debt.
David A. Garofalo: <unk> debt to GDP.
David A. Garofalo: Interest rates right now nominal rates make that unserviceable theres no fiscally responsible way for these governments to repay the debt. So the central banks are pivoting away from higher interest rates in order to preserve corporate and government balance sheets, not because inflation is slain. That's why we think gold will continue to accelerate and it's nowhere near that.
David A. Garofalo: So central banks are pivoting away from higher interest rates in order to preserve corporate and government balance sheets, not because inflation is slain. That's why we think gold will continue to accelerate. And it's nowhere near the all-time highs for gold because when we look at the last big inflation cycle we had in the 1970s, gold actually peaked close to $3,000 an ounce on a real basis in 2024 dollars. So, we are still well away from where the all-time high for gold is. And I would argue that we're going to experience much higher gold prices than we experienced in the last big inflation cycle because, as I said, central banks are cutting interest rates prematurely before inflation has actually been tamed.
David A. Garofalo: The all time highs for gold on a real basis, because you look at the last big inflation cycle. We had in the 19 seventies gold actually peaked close to $3000 an ounce on a real basis in $2024, so well away from where the all time high for gold is and I would argue that we're going to experience much higher gold prices than we.
David A. Garofalo: <unk> the last big inflation cycle, because as I said, the central banks are cutting interest rates prematurely before inflation is actually contained and that will result in unprecedented levels for the gold price.
David A. Garofalo: And that will result in unprecedented levels for the gold price. The question you quite often have to ask yourself is where are you best positioned to get leverage on the gold price? It certainly hasn't been the equities, and I know that's disappointing for many gold investors. You would think that you would get leverage from operating companies in a stable cost environment, but we are not in a stable cost environment. So even though gold is up nearly 8% this year to all-time highs in US dollar terms, we've actually seen the GDX, which is the large cap producers, see virtually no change in their equity valuation. So in other words, the gold equities have gone up zero year to date in spite of an 8% increase in the gold price. And that's also true for the juniors.
David A. Garofalo: And the question quite often I have to ask yourself is where your best position to get leverage to the gold price. It certainly hasn't been the equities.
David A. Garofalo: I know thats disappointing for many Golden vessels, you would think that you will get leverage from operating companies and a stable cost environment, but we are not as stable cost environment. So even though gold is up nearly 8%. This year to all time highs in U S. Dollar terms, we've actually seen the gtx, which is the large cap producers.
David A. Garofalo: See virtually no change in their equity valuations. So in other words, the gold equities have gone up <unk> year to date in spite of an 8% increase in the gold price and Thats also true for the juniors, that's not unexpected the smaller cap names tend to benefit from gold price rallies, a little later in the cycle as money starts to trickle down from the larger cap.
David A. Garofalo: That's not unexpected. The smaller cap names tend to benefit from gold price rallies a little later in the cycle as money starts to trickle down from the larger cap players. But it's telling that the larger cap players in our universe, the producers, are not experiencing any leverage from the gold price. And there really are two distinct reasons for that.
David A. Garofalo: Layers, but it's telling that the larger cap players in our universe. The producers are not experiencing any leverage to the gold price and there really has two distinct reasons for that one is cost inflation. They have an overhang of their costs due to inflation and the general economy. There is certainly not immune from inflation in fuel and labor costs and.
David A. Garofalo: One is cost inflation. They have an overhang in their costs due to inflation in the general economy. They're certainly not immune from inflation and fuel and labor costs, and we're still experiencing that to a great degree.
David A. Garofalo: We're still experiencing that to a great degree and that's over hung their margins and so even though the gold price has been going up there margins continued to be compressed and stress.
David A. Garofalo: And that's overhung their margins. And so even though the gold price has been going up, their margins continue to be compressed and stressed. And the other reason is that the industry continues to shrink because of the lack of capital for the juniors who have not experienced any sort of relief in the space of this gold price rally. We haven't seen any significant expiration in the industry to replace depleting reserves. And so, as a result, we've seen a 40% decline in reserve since 2012 among the producers, and we continue to see a cannibalization of the companies when there is more and more merger activity to sustain unsustainable production levels among the senior companies.
David A. Garofalo: And the other reason is because the industry continues to shrink because of the lack of capital for the juniors, who have not experienced any sort of relief in the space of this gold price rally, we haven't seen any significant exploration in the industry to replace depleting reserves.
David A. Garofalo: So as a result, we've seen a 40% decline in reserves since 2012, among the producers and we continue to see a cannibalization of the companies when the space more and more merger activity the sustained unsustainable production levels. Among the senior companies. The biggest producers in the gold universe the largest cap names are.
David A. Garofalo: The biggest producers in the gold universe, the largest cap names, are producing the same amount of gold today that they did 26-27 years ago. The big change has been that their share price has gone up exponentially. So, in other words, they've had to cannibalize other companies in order to maintain production levels that are frankly unsustainable given the global decline in gold reserves and the lack of expiration activity to replace those depleting reserves. That's why, time and again, we've said that the best place to be placed to get optimum leverage of the gold price is among the royalty companies that offer top-line exposure while protecting you from inflation. They offer you diversification, and they also offer you leverage to the expiration upside of our underlying operating partners. Last year alone, our operators invested over $200 million in expiration on their properties.
David A. Garofalo: Producing the same amount of gold today that they did 26 27 years ago Big change has been that the share count has gone up exponentially. So in other words, they've had to cannibalize other companies in order to maintain production levels are frankly are unsustainable given the global decline in gold reserves and the lack of exploration activity to replace those the <unk> reserve.
David A. Garofalo: <unk>, that's why time and again, we've said that the best place to be place to get optimum Leverages. The gold price is among the royalty companies offer topline exposure, while protecting you from inflation.
David A. Garofalo: Diversification.
David A. Garofalo: And they also offer you leveraged to the exploration upside of our underlying operating partners last year alone our operators invested over $200 million in exploration on their properties. We contributed nothing to those exploration budgets, but we got all of the upside within our very diversified royalty portfolio of over 240 royalty.
David A. Garofalo: We contributed nothing to those expiration budgets, but we got all of the upside within our very diversified royalty portfolio of over 240 royalties. So we've actually started to see good financial results. In the fourth quarter for the first time in our history, and we've only been in business for a little over three years now, our anniversary is March 11th since our IPO, the third year anniversary since our IPO in March 2021. And we've already realized a penny of adjusted earnings in the fourth quarter versus a two cent loss on an adjusted basis in the previous fourth quarter of 2022. We did actually book a non-cash impairment of just under $20 million in the fourth quarter. Again, that's an accounting impairment. It doesn't have anything to do with cash on the balance sheet.
David A. Garofalo: And we've actually started to see good financial results in the fourth quarter for the first time in our history and we've only been in business for a little over three years now our anniversary as March 11th since our IPO third year anniversary since our IPO in March 2021, and we've already realized a penny of adjusted earnings in the fourth quarter.
David A. Garofalo: Versus a <unk> <unk> loss on an adjusted basis in the previous fourth quarter of 2022, we did actually booked a noncash impairment of just under $20 million in the fourth quarter again, Thats, an accounting impairment. It doesn't have anything to do with cash on the balance sheet really the biggest chunk of that.
David A. Garofalo: Really, the biggest chunk of that write-off related to First Majestic's Jarrett Canyon mine, which they suspended operations on last year. We took the conservative view of writing that down to zero, even though First Majestic has been aggressively drilling out that mine and is looking at ways to bring that back online. So, in fact, if they do bring it back online, we'd actually reverse the impairment as a result of that.
David A. Garofalo: Write off related to first Majestic Gerrick Canyon mine, which he suspended operations on last year, we took the conservative view of writing that down to zero, even though.
David A. Garofalo: First majestic has been aggressively drilling out that that mine and is looking at ways to bring that back online. So in fact, if they do bring it back online we'd actually reverse of the impairment as a result of that so we're optimistic that first majestic will find a plan to resume operations. There and then we will start to get cash flow from that that operation.
David A. Garofalo: So we're optimistic that First Majestic will find a plan to resume operations there, and then we'll start to get cash flow from that operation going forward once they do that. We're poised to deliver very significant growth this year, a 100% increase in our revenue versus what we realized in 2023, so a doubling.
David A. Garofalo: Going forward once they do that.
David A. Garofalo: We're poised to deliver very significant growth this year of 100% increase in our revenue versus what we realized in 2023, so a doubling and we run a lot of costs out of our out of our company as a result of the post merger integration efforts as Youll recall, we merged with three other companies over the course of 2020.
David A. Garofalo: And we've run a lot of costs out of our company as a result of the post merger integration efforts. As you'll recall, we merged with three other companies over the course of 2021. We bought Ely Royalties, Golden Valley Royalties, and Abitibi. And as a result of our integration efforts, we ran almost 40% of our operating costs last year.
David A. Garofalo: One we bought Ely royalties Golden Valley royalties, and Abitibi and as a result of our integration efforts, we wrung almost 40% out of our operating cost last year and now we've stabilized our cash operating cost about $8 million per annum. So we're in a position now to continue to book positive earnings we believe and also <unk>.
David A. Garofalo: And now we've stabilized our cash operating costs at about $8 million per annum. So we're in a position now to continue to book positive earnings, we believe, and also positive free cash flow for the first time in our history. So we're starting to compile cash going forward from our operations, and that's a remarkable achievement for a company that's only three years old. You'll remember when we started our company back in our IPO in March of 2021, we only had 18 royalties, none of them cash flowing, a significant mineral endowment underlying those 18 royalties.
David A. Garofalo: Positive free cash flow for the first time in our history, so starting to compile cash going forward from our operations and that's a remarkable achievement for a company. That's only three years or three years old you will remember when we started our company back at our IPO in March of 2021, we only had 18 royalties none of them are cash flowing significant.
David A. Garofalo: Mineral endowment underlying those 18 royalties, but as a result of our consolidation efforts and the acquisition of some very strong royalties, including cocaine, Ontario close them in the Mexico and Borborygm in Brazil, all of which youre going to be contributing meaningfully to our revenue growth. This year, we've seen significant revenue growth and we're forecast.
David A. Garofalo: But as a result of our consolidation efforts and the acquisition of some very strong royalties, including Cote in Ontario, Cozumel in Mexico, and Borborema in Brazil, all of which are going to be contributing meaningfully to our revenue growth this year, we've seen significant revenue growth, and we're forecasting, on a consensus basis, about 60% compounded annual growth in our revenue right through the end of this decade. And given that our costs are quite stable right now, that means that our revenue growth is going to fall right to the bottom line and continue to compound the increase in our free cash flow going forward. So with that, I'd be delighted to hand it over to Andrew Gubbels to talk about our financial results for the fourth quarter. Thanks, David.
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David A. Garofalo: On a consensus basis about 60% compounded annual growth in our revenue rate through the end of this decade and given that our costs are quite stable right now that means that our revenue growth is going to fall right to the bottom line and continue to compound the increase in our free cash flow going forward.
David A. Garofalo: So with that I'd be delighted to hand, it over to Andrew <unk> to talk about our financial results in the fourth quarter.
Andrew: Thanks, David.
Andrew W. Gubbels: Okay, let me start off with the revenue line and what we've already indicated as 2024 geo guidance. In 2023, GOs of 2,703 ounces were largely driven by revenue from Canadian Malartic, Borden, and Isabella Pearl Royalties. A partial year of revenue from Kozeman and land agreement proceeds from our royalty generator business. In 2024, we expect to effectively double our GOs and, in turn, our total revenue from land agreement proceeds and interest. And that's due to several factors.
Okay, Let me start off with with.
Andrew: The revenue line and in what we've already indicated is 2020 for Geo guidance.
Andrew: In 2023 Geos.
Andrew: 2000, and 703 ounces were largely driven by revenue from Canadian <unk>, Arctic Borden and Isabella Pearl royalties.
Andrew: A partial year of revenue from from Cozman.
Andrew: And land agreement proceeds from our royalty generator business.
Andrew: In 2024, we expect to effectively double our geos and in turn our total revenue land agreement proceeds and interests and Thats for several factors.
Andrew W. Gubbels: First, from our existing operations, we see geo enhancement from our operating mining partners in areas whereby gold royalty has even more royalty coverage. We see this at Borden. Cote and Odyssey, in particular, where operations are actively expanding or transitioning into new areas, in the near to medium term. Unknown Speaker, and also our recent acquisition of Kozeman and Barbarema royalties, will provide incremental revenue in 2024 relative to 2023. Those are strategic acquisitions that are major contributors to what we'll see in the coming year, 2024, and beyond. And finally, as I mentioned before, our royalty-generating business continues to generate new royalties and create new sources of revenue, which is in the form of land agreement proceeds for the year. Now from an operating cost perspective, 2023 was a year where Gold Royalty strengthened its foundation after two years of fast-paced growth via consolidation. Now this included, as I mentioned before, the strategic acquisitions of two quality cash-generating assets in the form of Gozeman and Borborema, but also involved the rationalization of the company's corporate overhead. 2023 saw cash operating costs decrease by 36% from 12.6 million to 8 million.
Andrew: First from our existing operations, we see Geo enhancement.
Andrew: From our operating mining.
Andrew: Mining partners in areas, whereby gold royalty has even.
Andrew: More royalty coverage.
Andrew: We see this at Borden.
Andrew: And Odyssey in particular.
Andrew: Operations are actively expanding or transitioning into new areas.
Andrew: In the near to medium term.
Andrew: Okay.
Andrew: Also.
Andrew: Our recent acquisition of Cogent and Borborygm of royalties will provide incremental revenue in 2024 relative to 2023.
Andrew: Those are strategic acquisitions that are major contributors to what we'll see.
In the coming year 2024 and beyond.
Andrew: And finally as I mentioned before our royalty generated business continues to generate new royalties and create.
Andrew: New sources of.
Andrew: Revenue, which is.
Andrew: Which is in the form of land agreement proceeds or the for the year.
Andrew: Now from an operating cost perspective, 2023 was a year whereby gold royalty strengthened its foundation after two years of fast paced growth via consolidation.
Andrew: This included as I mentioned before the strategic acquisitions of two quality cash generating assets in the form of Cosma and Bob Arena.
Andrew: But also involve the rationalization of the company's corporate overheads.
Andrew: 2023 saw cash operating costs decreased by.
Andrew: By 36% from $12 6 million to $8 million as the company eliminated redundancies centralized operations.
Andrew W. Gubbels: As the company eliminated redundancies, centralized operations, and optimized its service agreements throughout the year, in 2024 and moving forward, we expect recurring operating expenses to be within a similar range as 2023, taken together with higher revenues and stabilized operating costs. We're confident in our ability to generate positive operating cash flow this fiscal year and beyond. Now, beyond 2024, Gold Royalty has an industry-leading growth profile, as forecasted by brokers, as you see on this page. So largely driven by cash flows from projects being developed by large, well-capitalized operators, all of which are doing very well. It includes the continued ramp-up of Cote Gold, which started producing, and Ora Minerals' Borba Rayma project, whereby we're currently earning pre-production payments. Enigmico Eagles Odyssey underground operation.
Andrew: And optimized.
Service agreements throughout the year.
Andrew: In 2024, and moving forward, we expect recurring operating expenses to be within a similar range as 2023.
Andrew: Taken together with higher revenues stabilized operating costs were.
Andrew: We're confident that our ability to generate positive operating cash flow this fiscal year and beyond.
Andrew: Now beyond 2024 gold royalty has an industry leading growth profile as forecasted by brokers you see on this page.
Andrew: So largely be driven by cash flows from projects being developed by large well capitalized operators all of which you know very well that includes the continued ramp up of <unk> gold.
Andrew: It's just started producing.
Andrew: Minerals Borba Rainbow project, whereby we're being currently earning preproduction payments.
Andrew: And Niko Eagles Odyssey underground operations.
Andrew W. Gubbels: Later in the decade, we do expect to see additional growth from high quality royalties, such as Nevada gold mines' expansion of the gold strike, deposit, and that's the Rennes Royalty. And we hope to see that later in the decade. Now, with the stabilized cost structure and no exposure to mine operating, exploration, or development costs, as Dave mentioned before, every dollar of revenue growth goes straight to the bottom line and increases our available cash flow in the future. Now, with that, I'll pass it over to Peter to provide an update on the portfolio. Thanks, Andrew.
Andrew: Later on in the decade, we do expect to see additional growth from high quality royalties, such as Nevada gold mine's expansion of the goldstrike.
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Andrew: And we hope to see that later in the decade.
Andrew: Now with the stabilized cost structure and no exposure to mine operating exploration or development costs.
Andrew: As Dave mentioned before every dollar of revenue growth goes straight to the bottom line and increases our available cash flow future.
Andrew: Now with that I'll pass it over to Peter to provide an update on the portfolio.
Peter: Thanks, Andrew So building on this purely revenue growth chart diving in a bit to the assets that are fueling that growth.
Peter Behncke: So building on this purely revenue growth chart, diving in a bit to the assets that are fueling that growth. I think it's no surprise, and we've shown this image before of the pipeline of assets we have within our portfolio, all the way from cash flowing to early expiration. But what I think is important to highlight is the dynamic nature of this pipeline, and specifically the cash flowing bucket of royalties, and the work we've done over the last 12 months to focus on supplementing our cash flow profile. Borborema and Kozman, assets both acquired in the second half of 2023, and Cote, an asset that is on the precipice of entering production, are all going to provide a meaningful portion of our 2024 revenue.
Peter: I think it's no surprise and we've shown this image before on the pipeline of assets, we have within our portfolio all the way from cash flowing too early exploration, but what I think is important to highlight.
Peter: The dynamic nature of this pipeline and specifically the cash flowing bucket of royalties and the work we've done over the last 12 months to focus on supplementing our cash flow profile Borborygm end Cozman assets, both acquired in the second half of 2023 and <unk>.
Peter: <unk> an asset that is on the precipice of entering production are all going to provide a meaningful portion of our 2020 for revenue.
Peter Behncke: Beyond that, within the development bucket, we've seen consistent positive news from our operating partners advancing those assets towards production, and like Cote, we're quite optimistic to see several of those grey assets enter the blue cash flowing bucket in the near to mid term. Two key points I'd like to remind shareholders and investors of, and Andrew spoke to this earlier, are the quality of the operating partners that are driving these assets forward. David mentioned the $200 million in expiration spend, and the significant investment by our operating partners going into these assets. All that benefit accrues to Gold Royalty at no cost to us.
Peter: Beyond that within the development bucket.
Peter: Consistent positive news from our operating partners advancing those assets towards production and light <unk>, we're quite optimistic to see several of those great assets enter the blue cash flowing bucket in the near to mid term.
Peter: Two key points I'd like to remind shareholders and investors oven Andrew spoke to this earlier is the quality of operating partners that are driving forward. These assets.
Peter: David mentioned, the $200 million and exploration spend the significant investment by our operating partners going into these assets all of that benefit accrues to gold royalty at no cost, but also these key development stage assets that are being advanced being developed or in the hands of very well capitalized companies, which in our view as a significant.
Peter Behncke: But also, these key development stage assets that are being advanced and developed are in the hands of very well-capitalized companies, which in our view is a significant de-risking factor relative to other peers. I'd also highlight, and this is quite timely within the royalty and streaming sector, our geopolitical profile with 80% of our portfolio in Quebec, Ontario, and Nevada, very stable and safe mining jurisdictions, and I'd note that our key development stage assets are on brownfield sites with very few assets subject to any meaningful permitting risk. These are assets that are being developed near existing operating mines and that significantly again de-risk the development profile of our portfolio. Now with 240 royalties, you don't need to expand across all of them, but a few of the specific highlights. Rene Cartier, Gold Royalty: At Odyssey, Canadian Malartic continues its transition to become Canada's largest underground gold mine.
Peter: Derisking factor relative to other peers.
Peter: I would also highlight and it's quite timely within the royalty and streaming sector, our geo political profile of 80% of our portfolio in Quebec, Ontario, and Nevada, very stable and safe mining jurisdictions and I'd note that our key development stage assets are on our brownfield sites.
Peter: With very few assets subject to any meaningful permitting risk. These are assets that are being developed new or existing operating mines.
And that's that significantly again derisked the development profile of our portfolio.
Peter: Now with 240 royalties don't need to expand.
Across all of them, but a few of the specific highlights to bring to your attention.
Peter: As always our three cornerstone royalties royalties on three of the five largest gold mines in Canada, and the USA Odyssey coats and rent, we're quite excited and we've seen positive advancements at all of these assets.
Peter: At Odyssey Canadian <unk> continues its transition to be Canada's largest underground gold mine.
Peter Behncke: IGNICO, with their most recent mine plan update and recent exploration updates, continue to emphasize the potential of the internal zones. While nothing definitive has been outlined or disclosed by IGNICO, they do see the potential for the internal zones to supplement the underground mine plan over the next couple of years. And beyond that, another key area of upside is the potential for a second shaft, which could increase the underground mining throughput by 10 to 15,000 tons per day. This would be a meaningful contributor to the excess milk capacity that is at the Canadian Malarctic Complex currently.
Peter: <unk> with their most recent mine plan update and recent exploration updates continue to emphasize the potential of the internal zones, while nothing definitive has been outlined or disclose by agnico. They do see the potential for the internal zones to supplement the underground mine plan.
Peter: Over the next couple of years.
Peter: And beyond that another key area of upside is the potential for a second shaft.
Peter: Which could increase the underground mining throughput by 10 to 15000 tonnes per day. This.
Peter: This would be a meaningful contributor to the excess mill capacity that is that the Canadian electric complex currently.
Peter Behncke: For our royalty in 2024, we're expecting relatively modest, consistent revenue; we'll take a conservative view, but we do see that upside from the underground in the near term. As a reminder, the Canadian Malarctic Complex really shifts to becoming a full underground mine towards 2028, where we'll see a meaningful step change in our royalty coverage. Adcote, the most immediate catalyst within the portfolio, based on IAMGOLD's Q4 results and 2024 guidance, they announced that IAMGOLD would achieve first gold pour imminently here by the end of March, which is where we are, and then achieve commercial production in Q3 of 2024. Given this is the ramp-up year, they've provided guidance of 220 to 290,000 ounces in 2024 on the 100% basis of the asset, while Cote within the mine plan ramps up closer to 500,000 ounces per year once at full capacity. As a reminder of gold royalties coverage at Cote, our royalty covers zones five and seven for the patchwork of royalties at Cote, which is the southern portion of the pit. Importantly, mineralization at Cote is concentrated near surface, and the higher grade portion of mineralization is within our royalty coverage area.
For our royalty in 2024, we're expecting relatively modest consistent revenue will take a conservative view, but do see that upside from the underground and the near term.
As a reminder, Canadian molecular complex really shifts to becoming a full underground mine towards 2028, where we'll see a meaningful step change in our royalty coverage.
Peter: I would say the most immediate catalyst within the portfolio.
Peter: Based on I am Gold's Q4 results and 2020 for guidance.
Peter: That I am gold would achieve first gold pour imminently here by the end of March which is.
Peter: Where we're at and then achieving commercial production in Q3 of 2024.
Peter: Given this is the ramp up there they have provided guidance of 220 to 290000 ounces.
Peter: In 2024 on 100% basis of the asset.
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Peter: Once once at full capacity.
Peter: As a reminder of gold royalties coverage at Kotte, our royalty covers zones $5 seven the patchwork of royalties at <unk>, which is the southern portion of the pit importantly, mineralization that cotai is concentrated near surface and the higher grade portion of the mineralization is within our royalty coverage area. So we do expect to see in <unk>.
Peter Behncke: So we do expect to see an immediate benefit as the royalty holder once this asset starts producing in the very, very near term. At REN, Barrick outlined their growth prospects last September, where they disclosed that REN was the subject of an internal pre-feasibility study, which they are targeting to publish in early 2026, and then incorporating REN into the mine plan thereafter. They've continued their exploration efforts through Q4. Some exciting drill results include 4.7 meters at 24.9 grams per ton at the Corona Zone or the Corona Corridor, that's the western portion of the property.
Peter: Media benefit.
Peter: As the royalty holder once this asset starts producing and the very very near term.
Peter: At Ren Barrick outlined their growth prospects last September where they disclosed that ran was the subject of a internal pre feasibility study, which they are targeting to publish.
Peter: In early 2026, and then incorporating ran into the mine plan thereafter. They have continued their exploration efforts through Q4. Some exciting drill results include $4 seven meters at $24 nine grams per tonne.
Peter: The Corona zone or the Corona corridor, that's the western portion of the property.
Peter Behncke: So they're continuing to expand that resource, get a better understanding of it, and also advancing development and internal studies. So we're quite bullish that this high-grade resource, close to 7 grams per ton currently, is going to be incorporated into the overall Carlin complex later this decade. Now beyond these cornerstone assets, pivoting to some of our most recent acquisitions and where they're standing, the most recent deal we closed is the Aura Minerals financing package where we received a 2% NSR royalty over the Borborema project in addition to a gold-length loan. In Aura's most recent quarterly results, they outlined that construction was 17% complete at Borborema, and they maintain to be on track with In fact, February 2025 is their guide. Unknown Speaker, Aura is a proven mine builder within Brazil.
Peter: So they are continuing to expand that resource.
Peter: A better understanding of it also advancing development internal studies. So we're quite bullish that this high grade resource close to seven grams per tonne currently is going to be incorporated into the overall Carlin complex.
Peter: Later this decade.
Peter: Now beyond these cornerstone assets pivoting to some of our most recent acquisitions and where they are standing.
Peter: The most recent deal we closed the aura minerals financing package, where we received a 2% MSR royalty over the <unk> project. In addition to a gold linked loan.
Peter: And <unk> most recent quarterly results they outlined that construction was 17% complete a bar braemar and they maintain to be on track with first production in early 2025 February 2025 as their guidance.
Peter: Or is a proven mine builder within Brazil. The team that is currently constructing borborygm up.
Peter Behncke: The team that is currently constructing Borborema just came off the successful completion of the Almas mine on time and on budget, so we are quite confident in that team's ability to deliver at Borborema. As a reminder of our exposure at Borborema, we do receive those pre-production payments until they achieve technical completion of 1,000 gold equivalent ounces per year. And our coupon payment associated with the gold length loan is 440 gold equivalent ounces per year.
Peter: Just came off the successful completion of the almost mine on time and on budget. So we are quite confident in that team's ability to deliver <unk>.
Peter: As a reminder of our exposure at a bar Braemar, we do receive those preproduction payments until they achieve technical completion.
Peter: Gold equivalent ounces per year, and our coupon payment associated with the gold linked loan is 440 gold equivalent ounces per year. So while this is a development stage asset we're already receiving 1440 geos in 2024 or expect to.
Peter Behncke: So while this is a development stage asset, we're already receiving 1,440 GOs in 2024, and we expect to receive another 1,440 GOs in 2025. At Cozumel, a relatively small mine within Capstone's portfolio, but a high-grade, high-margin operation with great exploration success and a track record that we would expect to continue into the future. In 2024, consistent with their previous mine plan and consistent with 2023, they'll look to have relatively similar production with marginally higher costs, but this is still a first quartile operation in terms of costs. We do expect continued exploration work at Cozumel as well, to potentially extend the mine life, and this will be an asset that will be producing well beyond the reserve life, in our view. And finally, our royalty at Granite Creek. Reminder, this royalty was acquired through a package of royalties from Nevada Gold Mines, the joint venture between Barrick and Newmont. I-80 Gold, the operator, has had continued exploration success and extremely high-grade drilling results at their South Pacific zone, which is the deeper area of mineralization at Granite Creek.
Peter: I'd Cozman.
Peter: Relatively small mine within capstone portfolio, but a high grade high margin operation with great exploration success and a track record that we would expect to continue into the future and 2024 consistent with their previous mine plan and consistent with 2023. They will look to have relatively similar production with marginally.
Peter: Higher costs, but this is still a first quartile operation in terms of costs.
Peter: We do expect continued exploration work.
Peter: And as well to potentially extend the mine life.
Peter: And this will be an asset that will be producing well beyond the reserve life and our view.
Peter: And finally, our royalty at granite Creek.
Peter: Reminder, this royalty was acquired through a package of royalties from Nevada Gold mines.
Peter: Joint venture between Barrick and Newmont.
Peter: <unk>. The operator has had continued exploration success extremely high graded drilling results. There. So specific zone, which is the deeper area of mineralization at the underground granite Creek.
Peter Behncke: This area is expected to be the main mining horizon in 2024, and they're targeting to ramp up production here to 1,000 tonnes per day. Our royalty at Granite Creek, the 10% net profit interest, is subject to a 120,000-ounce production threshold. They've mined just shy of 10,000 ounces total to date.
Peter: This area is expected to be the main mining horizon in 2024, and theyre targeting to ramp up production here to 1000 tonnes per day.
Peter: Our royalty granite Creek, the 10% net profit interest is subject to a 120000 ounce production threshold.
Peter: <unk> mined just shy of 10000 ounces total to date.
Peter Behncke: And once fully ramped up, we expect that hurdle to be met quite quickly. So with those three cornerstone assets, three recent acquisitions, we've got a robust growth profile in 2024 and out towards the end of the decade as well. With that, I pass it back to David to wrap things up and speak a bit about where we sit within the sector. And then we can open things up for q&A. Thanks, Peter.
Peter: And once fully ramped up we expect that that hurdle to be met quite quickly.
Peter: So with those three cornerstone assets three recent acquisitions, we've got a robust growth profile in 2024 and O towards the end of the decade as well.
Peter: With that I'll pass it back to David to wrap things up speak a bit about where we sit within the sector.
David: And then we can open things up for Q&A.
David: Thanks, Peter Thanks, very much for that overview of our operations look I think what's important to talk about is where we're positioned relative to our peers in the sector and as you've heard me say before there are two distinct solitudes in our sector. There is a large cap universe, the wheaton precious metal.
David A. Garofalo: Thanks very much for that overview of our operations. Look, I think what's important to talk about is where we are positioned relative to our peers in the sector. And as you've heard me say before, there are two distinct solitudes in our sector. There's the large cap universe, the Wheaton Precious Metals, Franco-Nevadas, Royal Golds, all exceptional large cap liquid companies with great royalty portfolios. But what they lack is growth.
David: Franco Nevada, as Royal Gold's, all exceptional large cap liquid companies with great royalty portfolios, but what they lack is growth. What we provide is an opportunity to grow significantly even exponentially off of a very strong and diversified portfolio. One in terms of our scale, it's actually comparable to the seniors in.
David A. Garofalo: What we provide is an opportunity to grow significantly, even exponentially, off of a very strong and diversified portfolio. One, in terms of our scale, that's actually comparable to the seniors in the space and some of the best royalty opportunities in North America. We have royalties on three of the five biggest producing gold mines in North America, including Canadian Malartic, Cote, and also the underground extension of Goldstrike and Wren. So that provides a quality proposition in addition to the significant diversification we have within those three principal jurisdictions of Nevada, Quebec, and Ontario.
Space and some of the best royalty opportunities in North America, we have royalties on three of the five biggest producing gold mines in North America include.
David: Including Canadian melodic co pay and also the underground sage of Goldstrike and rent. So that provides a quality proposition. In addition to the significant diversification we have within those three principal jurisdictions in Nevada, Quebec, and Ontario, and now in Brazil, with the Borborygm asset, which will be coming into production in early 2025, but also.
David A. Garofalo: And now in Brazil with the Barbarima asset, which will be coming into production in early 2025 but also already contributing, as I should say, pre-production royalty revenue over the course of 2024. So exceptional growth in the best jurisdictions from a well-diversified portfolio, but with foundational assets, cornerstone assets that will be delivering royalties for our shareholders for many decades to come. So to sum up, and again, thank you for your kind attention.
David: So already contributing I should say preproduction royalty revenue over the course of 2024, so exceptional growth in the best jurisdictions from a well diversified portfolio, but with foundational assets cornerstone assets that will be delivering royalties for our shareholders for many decades to come.
David: So to sum up and again, thank you for your kind attention, we'll take questions. Shortly the royalty model is the superior model in order to participate in an unmitigated basis to leverage in the gold price, we're protecting our shareholders. Some cost inflation as a result of our topline revenue exposure that we have diversification that no operating cost.
David A. Garofalo: We'll take questions shortly. The royalty model is the superior model in order to participate on an unmitigated basis to leverage the gold price. We're protecting our shareholders from cost inflation as a result of our top line revenue exposure. We have diversification that no operating company can hope to achieve with over 240 royalties across the portfolio and across the life cycle of a mine from production right up to early stage expiration. We provide a lot of optionality in addition to that revenue growth. As the gold price goes up, that option value will start to be crystallized in the marketplace, in our view.
David: And you can hope to achieve with over 240 royalties across the portfolio and across the lifecycle of a mind from production right up to early stage exploration. We provide a lot of Optionality. In addition to that revenue growth as the gold price goes up that option value will start to be crystallize in the marketplace in our view.
David A. Garofalo: And also, again, free exploration upside as a result of the exploration efforts of our 80 plus royalty operators or operating companies within our royalty portfolio that invest significantly in exploration around their existing mines and deposits in order to achieve reserve and resource upside, which we benefit from in our royalty portfolio without actually having to contribute to it. But I think what's also important about our story, and it's quite unique among the royalty players, even the large cap players, is that we have four distinct legs of growth, which none of the royalty companies in our space do. And that includes M&A, which we did quite aggressively over the course of 2021. We had a much stronger currency.
David: And also again free exploration upside as a result of the exploration efforts of our 80 plus royalty operators are operating companies within our royalty portfolio that invest significantly in exploration around our existing mines and deposits in order to achieve.
Reserve and resource upside, which we benefit from and our royalty portfolio, we're actually having to contribute to it but I think what's also important about our story.
David: It is quite unique among the royalty players even the large cap players is we have four distinct legs of growth, which none of the royalty companies in our space too and that includes M&A, which we did quite aggressively over the course of 2021, we had much stronger currency.
David A. Garofalo: We IPO'd at $5 per share, and we had strong currency over the course of 2021. We recognized our relative multiple advantage, and we used it to the advantage of our shareholders to accumulate significant critical mass and diversification through M&A efforts as we acquired three companies. When the currency abandoned us, as the Federal Reserve started to tighten interest rates in early 2021, or 22, I should say, we started to look at other means of growth.
David: It <unk> to $5 per share and we had strong currency over the course of 2021, we recognized our relative multiple advantage and we used it to the advantage of our shareholders to accumulate significant critical mass and diversification through M&A efforts as we acquired three companies when the currency abandon this as the federal reserve started the tightened interest rates.
David: Early 2021, or 22, I should say, we started to look at other means of growth and that included third party royalty acquisition as we did with Colgate, we bought back from the state of a disease prospector and thats going to deliver significant revenue growth for us. This year, we get through project financing as well as we did recently with.
David A. Garofalo: And that included third-party royalty acquisition, as we did with Cote. We bought it from the estate of a deceased prospector, and that's going to deliver significant revenue growth for us this year. We did it through project financing, as well as we did recently with ORA Minerals and the Barbarama Project in Brazil.
David: Or minerals and the <unk> project in Brazil, and then we also generate royalties organically through our efforts principally in Nevada, where Gary Bachman runs our U S business, you Stakes exploration claims around existing mines and deposits and generates royalties not only for free we actually get option payments for the royalties, we generate as we farm those <unk>.
David A. Garofalo: And then we also generate royalties organically through our efforts, principally in Nevada, where Jerry Bachman runs our U.S. business. He stakes expiration claims around existing mines and deposits and generates royalties. Not only for free, but we actually get option payments for the royalties we generate as we farm those properties out to the operators and explorers.
David: <unk> out to the operators and explores last year alone, we generated almost $3 million of option revenue through our royalty generator model and we generate two to three royalties per quarter doing that again, not only for free but we actually get paid to generate those royalties no. Other company in the royalty universe grows through all four means.
David A. Garofalo: Last year alone, we generated almost $3 million in option revenue through our royalty generator model. We generate two to three royalties per quarter doing that. Again, not only for free, but we actually get paid to generate those royalties.
David A. Garofalo: No other company in the royalty universe grows through all four means. And I think that's a testament to the depth and breadth of our management team, which collectively has over 400 years of industry experience. So with that, Joanne, we'd be delighted to take questions from our shareholders. First of all, thank you, gentlemen, for a fantastic update. We really have a global full house audience today.
David: And I think that's a testament to the depth and breadth of our management team, which collectively has over 400 years of industry experience that gives us the advantage of being able to grow through multiple means and axis royalty opportunities through leveraging our relationships in the industry.
David: So with that Joanne we'd be delighted to take questions from our shareholders.
Excellent first of all thank you gentlemen for a fantastic update we really have a global full house audience. Today. So thank you to the audience for tuning in this morning really means a lot to us before we take questions. Just a reminder to please place your questions into the Q&A tab located at the top of your screen.
Joanne Jobin: So thank you to the audience for tuning in this morning. It really means a lot to us. Before we take questions, just a reminder to please place your questions into the q&a tab located at the top of your screen. And the first question for today is, David, could you please comment on the Arizona Metals K-Deposit in Arizona, which is approximately 45% gold, 45% copper and is still drilling. Just curious if you have any opinion on them.
David: And the first question for today is David its possible could you. Please comment on the Arizona metals K deposit in Arizona, which is approximately 45% gold, 45% copper and still drilling.
David: Just curious if you have any opinion on that.
Unknown Speaker: David, just to get ahead of you on that. We don't have a royalty over Arizona Metals' K-Deposit. It is an interesting deposit. We know the Arizona Metals team. But from our perspective, it's interesting because we don't have a royalty.
None: David just to get ahead of you on that so we don't have a royalty over.
None: Arizona metals K deposit it is it's an interesting deposit.
None: Arizona metals team.
But from our perspective, it's interesting we don't have a royalty.
Unknown Speaker: I wish the Arizona Metals team the best, but it's not something within our portfolio. All right, well, then that's been answered. And I think, you know, there were questions regarding the royalty generation model, which you answered and summed up in the last part of your presentation, David. So I think we've answered that question. So next question: how many of your projects will become producers within this gold cycle? Unknown Speaker, Alastair Still, Andrew Griffith, Joanne Jobin, Alastair Still, Andrew Gubbels, producing royalties by the end of the decade, if that's how you want to define this gold cycle. Okay, uh, questions on Cote.
None: Arizona metals team, the best but it's not something within our portfolio.
None: Alright, well then thats been answered.
None: And I think there has been.
None: Questions regarding the royalty generation model, which you answered in some depth.
None: The last part of your presentation David.
So I think we've answered that question.
None: So next question how many of your projects will become producers within this gold cycle.
None: Peter Yes.
None: So currently with <unk>.
None: <unk> cash flowing assets, we do see several assets ramping up and entering production named a few already ran Odyssey granite Creek.
None: Other potential development stage assets include gold rock, so we're approaching 10 to a dozen.
None: Producing royalties by the end of the decade, that's how you want to define this gold cycle.
Unknown Speaker: Are they on track for production and ramping it up in 2024? Yeah, so based on all the information, and as I noted from I am gold, they've indicated production by the end of March, which is imminent, and really ramping up to commercial production in the second half of the year, in Q3. I think the one thing that gives me significant comfort as a royalty holder is the fact that they have 5 million tons of ore stockpiled ready to go into the mill. And I think that's extremely important. Having been a mine developer myself in my career, having a consistent feed of ore during the commissioning phase is extremely important to optimize the metallurgical recoveries and get a consistent production level from the operation.
None: Okay.
None: Questions on <unk> are they on track for production and ramp up in 2024.
None: Yes, so based on all information as I noted.
None: From I am gold.
None: Vindicated production by the end of March, which is eminent and really ramping up to commercial production in the second half of the year in Q3.
None: I think the one thing that gives me significant comfort as a royalty holder is the fact that they have 5 million tonnes of ore stockpiled ready to go into the mill and I think that's extremely important having been a mine developer myself over my career, having a consistent theme of ore during the commissioning phase is extremely important to optimize the metallurgical.
None: Coverage and get a consistent production level from the operations. So they've done an exceptional job in that regard and that gives me some confidence that they'll have a relatively smooth ramp up.
David A. Garofalo: So they've done an exceptional job in that regard, and that gives me some confidence that they'll do well. Thank you. Lots of questions on the dividend. Do you foresee reintroducing or entering back into the dividend phase? Look, I think as we get into free cash flow territory and sustainable free cash flow, it's a conversation that I might, and I know my board will be delighted to have from the top of the shareholders. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but we are entering free cash flow territory this year. Thank you, David.
None: Thank you.
None: Lots of questions on the dividend do you foresee re and reintroducing.
None: We're entering back into the dividend.
None: Look I think as we get into free cash flow territory and sustainable free cash flow is the key.
None: Conversation that I know my board will be delighted to have.
None: All of the shareholders and consistently.
None: I don't want to get ahead of ourselves.
None: In the free cash flow territory.
None: Sure.
None: Great.
None: Thank you David.
Unknown Speaker: In regards to Borborema advancing, is February 2025 production realistic and feasible? Definitely. Based on Aura's track record as a Latin American operator, we're quite confident that we'll see that asset enter production early next year, but given how we've structured that investment as well, we're significantly de-risked if there was a delay. We're still receiving 250 Gold equivalent ounces per quarter until they enter production. We do see an increase once they enter production, but we've got very reliable cash flows for up to a maximum of 10 years if that asset was never built, which is not the case, but we've really protected ourselves on the downside with the structure. And the other component of that, about a third of the financing provided was in the form of our convertible debenture, which actually generates interest during the pre-production phase. And that debenture is convertible into an additional royalty on the property.
None: In regards to Barb arena.
None: Advancing its February 2025 production realistic feasible.
David: Definitely based on our track record as a Latin American operator, we're quite confident that we will see that asset enter production early next year, but given how we've structured that investment as well were significantly de risked on if there was a delay we are still receiving 250 gold equivalent ounces per quarter until.
David: Andrew production. So we do see an increase once they enter production, but we've got very reliable cash flows up to a maximum of 10 years, if that asset was never built which is not the case, but we've really protected ourselves on the downside with with the structuring.
David: The other component of that about a third of the financing. We provided was in the form of a convertible debenture, which actually generates interest during the preproduction phase.
David: That debentures convertible into an additional royalty on the property so as they ramp it up and we gain confidence in the underlying operation is a start to convert that significant resource over 2 million ounces in the reserve and extend the mine life and that will make a lot of sense for us to convert that debt debenture into an additional royalty over and above the initial.
David A. Garofalo: So as they ramp it up and we gain confidence in the underlying operation, as they start to convert that significant resource of over 2 million ounces in the reserve and extend the mine life, then it'll make a lot of sense for us to convert that debenture into an additional royalty over and above the initial royalty that we have. Next question: cost savings. Where did the majority of cost savings come from in 2023 versus 2022? Yeah, I'll take that one.
David: Royalty that we have.
David: Excellent next question cost savings.
David: Where does the majority of cost savings come from and 2023 versus 2022.
None: Yes, I'll take that one.
Andrew W. Gubbels: So the majority of savings came from a few different areas. First and foremost, as I mentioned in the presentation, we came off a couple years of fairly high-paced growth and corporate consolidation, and 2023 was a year whereby we removed some duplication which came into the company, and that was in the form of administrative functions and associated office costs related to primarily the Ely, Golden Valley, and Abitibi acquisitions. Further to that, over the course of the year since I became CFO, we've established more of a streamlined FP&A function to really evaluate and monitor our G&A costs, and that allowed us to focus on the highest value-add services as well as review service contracts and make improvements where we could.
None: So the majority of savings that came from a few different areas first and foremost.
None: I've mentioned.
None: Presentation, we came off a couple of years of fairly high paced growth corporate consolidation in 2023 was a year whereby.
None: We removed some duplicate duplication, which came into the company and that was in the form of administrative functions and associated office costs related to primarily the equaled valeant Abitibi acquisitions.
None: Further to that.
None: Over the course of the year since I became CFO, we've we've established.
None: More of a streamline F PNA function to really evaluate.
None: And monitor our G&A costs.
None: And that allowed us to focus on the highest value add services as well as review service contracts and make improvements where we could we started down that track.
Andrew W. Gubbels: We started down that track through through 2023, and then lastly, the third area was really we have seen a reduction in some of the professional fees, and in 2023, we did take on a little more in-house from a technical review standpoint, supplementing the team that reviews projects as well as the finance team in particular, and so really centralizing our operating footprint within our Vancouver office. Excellent question on evaluating future growth opportunities. How is the company doing? We've never been busier.
None: Through 2023.
None: And then lastly.
None: The third area was really.
None: We have seen a reduction in some of the professional fees and in 2023, we did take on a little more in house from a technical review standpoint, supplementing the team reviews projects as well as the finance team.
None: <unk> in particular, and so really centralization of Alvaro.
None: Our operating.
None: Our footprint within our Vancouver office.
None: Excellent.
None: Question on evaluating future growth opportunity how is the company doing that.
None: We've never been busier, we are in a perpetual state of due diligence that's our business.
David A. Garofalo: We're in a perpetual state of due diligence. That's our business. There is such a dearth of capital for development stage assets, even expansions of existing operations, that we're seeing more and more companies, whether they're at the operating stage, development stage, or exploration stage, starting to incorporate streams and royalties into their capital structure more consistently. That means we're getting an influx of opportunities thrown our way, but we have a very, very heavy screen. Since our IPO, we've looked at over 300 opportunities, but we've only executed on eight, including the M&A deals we've done.
None: There is such a dearth of capital for development stage assets, even expansions of existing operations. There, we're seeing more and more companies whether they're at the operating stage development stage of exploration stage screening incorporate streams and royalties into their capital structure more consistently that means we're getting an influx of.
None: Opportunities thrown our way, but we have a very very heavy screen.
None: Since our IPO, we've looked at over 300 opportunities, we've only executed on <unk>, including the M&A deals. We've done. So we're very very choosy about the things that we invest in and right royalties on because we have very stringent rate of return criteria.
David A. Garofalo: We're very, very choosy about the things that we invest in and write royalties on because we have very stringent rate of return criteria. Excellent. David, do you expect, speaking on the sector, do you expect more consolidation within the mid-tier royalty space in the near future?
None:
None: Excellent.
David: David do you expect.
David: Speaking on the sector do you expect more consolidation within the mid tier royalty.
David: <unk>.
David: In the near future.
David A. Garofalo: What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think there's definitely going to be a continued consolidation on the producer side. And there has been significant consolidation, big, small, and medium, big being Newmont, Newcrest being the biggest ever since the Newmont Gold Corp merger back in 2019. This one was over $50 billion.
David: Your thoughts on that well I think there's definitely going to continue.
David: Continued consolidation on the producer side and.
David: There has been significant consolidation big small and medium big Bean Newmont newcrest being the biggest ever since the newmont Goldcorp merger back in 2019 that was this one was over $50 billion and then we've seen smaller ones like recently argonaut being taken over by Alamos and.
David A. Garofalo: And then we've seen smaller ones, like recently Argonaut being taken over by Alamos and Calibre taking over a project, Marathon's project in Northland. That'll continue to happen because, as I said, with the lack of exploration occurring in the sector, the seniors have to take out other companies in order to maintain unsustainable production profiles. They're kind of caught in this vicious cycle and have been for decades.
David: Calibrate taking over a project marathons projected with the plan that will continue to happen because as I said with the lack of exploration occurring in the sector. The seniors have to take out other companies in order to maintain unsustainable production profiles are kind of caught in this vicious cycle and have been for decades, and I don't think thats going to.
David A. Garofalo: And I don't think that's going to reverse. So given the lack of exploration, continued deterioration, and the reserve profile of the industry, they have to basically play Pac-Man with each other. On the royalty side, I see lots of scope for consolidation. There are probably too many players in the small cap universe, and there is a complete absence of a mid-tier competitor in the royalty space, which is big enough to be relevant to institutional investors and generalists that come into the space, but still small enough to grow. And so there is no $5 billion market cap royalty player out there. The absence of that, to me, is a void that needs to be filled.
David: Reverse so given the lack of exploration continued deterioration of the reserve profile of the industry.
David: You have to basically pay Pac man with each other.
David: On the royalty side I see lots of scope for consolidation.
There's probably too many players in the small cap universe, and there's a complete absence of a mid tier competitor in the royalty space, which is big enough to be relevant to institutional investors generalists that come into the space, but still small enough to grow.
David: So there is no $5 billion market cap royalty player out there the absence of that to me is avoid that needs to be filled I think youre going to see consolidation among the smaller cap players to enhance their multiple and drive down their cost of capital.
David A. Garofalo: I think you're going to see consolidation among the smaller cap players to enhance their multiples and drive down their cost of capital. The order of that, and the sequencing of that, is hard to predict, but I think it's inevitable because it's such an economic imperative for the smaller cap universe. Excellent. Regarding your Granite Creek project, was that a net profit royalty rather than an NSR? Can you provide more clarity on that for me? Yeah, no, it's a good question and good to provide more clarity.
David: The order that the sequencing of that is hard to predict but I think it's inevitable because it's such an economic imperative for the smaller cap universe.
David: Excellent.
David: Regarding your granite Creek project.
None: Was that a net profit royalty rather Devon MSR can you provide clarity on that yeah, no. It's a good question and.
None: To provide clarity so it is a net profit royalty that we have at granite Creek and it's one of the few net profit Bottomline royalties, we have in our portfolio. The reason we got really excited about this royalty in particular was the grade of the underground and the potential for a very high margin deposit.
Peter Behncke: So it is a net profit royalty that we have at Granite Creek, and it's one of the few net profit bottom line royalties we have in our portfolio. The reason we got really excited about this royalty in particular was the grade of the underground and the potential for a very high margin deposit with IAD bringing that asset forward. The current underground resource is over 11 grams per tonne, and the continued exploration success of the South Pacific zone could see that expand and potentially improve as well.
None: With IAA, bringing that asset forward.
None: The current underground resources over 11 grams per tonne and the continued exploration success of the South Pacific Zone.
None: See that expand and potentially improve as well so because of the potential for a high grade high margin deposit here. It was one of the rare occasions, where we did find the net profit interest quite attractive, but I would note that the vast majority of our portfolio.
Peter Behncke: So because of the potential for a high-grade, high-margin deposit here, it was one of the rare occasions where we did find the net profit interest quite attractive. But I would note that in the vast majority of our portfolio, there are only a handful, only a couple actual net profit interests. Almost all of our royalties are top line net smelter return royalties or gross revenue royalties. Okay, and what are your plans for the cash generated in 2024? Do you have any preferences?
None: Only a handful of only a couple actual net profit interest almost all of our royalties are topline net smelter return royalties or a gross revenue royalties.
None: Okay and what are your plans for the cash generated in 2024 do you have any preferences.
David A. Garofalo: No, look, I think, as I said earlier, returning capital to shareholders is something that's definitely on the table that we'll discuss as we get into sustainable free cash flow. But we're looking at a significant number of opportunities that will help us grow our business accretively, and putting that cash to work, I think, is a priority.
None: Look I think as I said earlier, returning capital to shareholders is something thats definitely on the table that will discuss as we get into sustainable free cash flow.
None: But we're looking at.
None: A significant number of opportunities that will help us grow our business accretively.
None: That cash to work I think is a priority.
David A. Garofalo: Excellent. And David, there are a number of questions regarding the share price and performance, and perhaps you can comment on that. Well, we've had a very good start to the year. We've certainly been a relative outperformer, a dramatic relative outperformer to the sector. And I think that's really a testament to the fact that we're pivoting into free cash flow territory. As I said, we had our first quarter of positive adjusted earnings in the fourth quarter of last year, and we're poised to deliver positive earnings and positive free cash flow going forward. And I think the market recognizes that we have unparalleled growth in the sector. Excellent. Well, we are at the top of the hour.
None: Excellent and David there's been a number of questions.
David: Regarding the share price and performance and perhaps you can comment on that.
David: Well, we had a very good start in the year, we've certainly been a relative outperformer, a dramatic relative outperformance to the sector and I think that's really a testament to the fact that we're pivoting into free cash flow territory. As I said, we had our first quarter positive adjusted earnings.
David: Fourth quarter of last year.
David: And we're poised to deliver positive earnings and positive free cash flow going forward and I think the market recognizes that that we have unparalleled growth in the sector.
None: Excellent well.
None: We are at the top of the hour. So we will end the Q&A session. At this time and if you have any other questions. Please forward them directly to Peter at P. Benki at Gold's royalty Dotcom, David before we sign off would you like to say a few more words.
Joanne Jobin: So we will end the Q&A session at this time. And if you have any other questions, please forward them directly to Peter at pbehncke at goldroyalty.com. David, before we sign off, would you like to say a few more words to this great audience today? Well, thank you so much for such incredible participation today with your questions. And as Joanne says, you don't need to end your questioning today. We're easily accessible through our website, through our emails or phone numbers. If you go to our website, you can see how you can contact us.
None: Great audience today.
David: Well. Thank you so much for such incredible participation today for your questions.
None: As Joanne says you don't need to and your questions today were easily accessible through our website through our E mails or phones.
David: Phone numbers, if you go to our website you can see how we can contact us and if you have any follow up questions were delighted to hear from you.
David A. Garofalo: And if you have any follow-up questions, we'd be delighted to hear from you. Thank you, David. And thank you, team. Just a reminder that this town hall will be available on Gold Royalty's website and across all of our social media platforms within the next 24 hours. Before we sign off, please ensure that you fill in the short questionnaire at the end of the presentation. This really helps us and the company communicate more effectively with you in the future. Thank you for joining us today, and we will see you all at the next town hall forum. Goodbye.
Joanne: Thank you David and thank you team just a reminder, that this town hall will be available on gold royalties website and across all of our social within the next 24 hours before we sign off please ensure that you fill in the short questionnaire at the end of the presentation. This really helps us and the company communicated.
None: Effectively with you in the future. Thank you for joining us today, and we will see you all on the next town Hall Forum Goodbye.