Q1 2024 MidCap Financial Investment Corp Earnings Call

Good morning, and welcome to the earnings Conference call for the period ended March 31st 2024, or mid cap financial investment Corporation.

Operator: Good morning and welcome to the earnings conference call for the period ended March 31st, 2024, for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen-only mode. Your call will be open to a question and answer session following the speaker's prepared remarks. If you would like to ask a question at that time, simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star 2. I will now turn the call over to Elizabeth Besen. Investor Relations Manager for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. Please go ahead.

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Elizabeth Besen: Investor Relations manager for mid cap Financial Investment Corporation. Please go ahead.

Elizabeth Besen: Thank you, Operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Speaking on today's call are Tanner Powell, Chief Executive Officer, Ted McNulty, President, and Greg Hunt, Chief Financial Officer. Howard Widra, Executive Chairman, as well as additional members of the management team, are on the call and available for the Q&A portion of today's call. I'd like to advise everyone that today's call webcasts are being recorded. Please note that they are the property of MidCap Financial Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast in any form is strictly prohibited. Information about the audio replay of this call is available in our press release.

Elizabeth Besen: Thank you operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today speaking on today's call are 10, or Pal Chief Executive Officer, Ted Mcnulty, President and Greg Hunt Chief Financial Officer, Howard, We address executive chairman as well as additional members of the management team are on the call and available for the Q&A portion of today's call.

Elizabeth Besen: I'd also like to call your attention to the Customary Safe Harbor Disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call and webcast may include forward-looking statements. You should refer to our most recent SEC filings with the SEC for risks that apply to our business and that may adversely affect any forward-looking statements we make. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements or projections unless required by law.

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Elizabeth Besen: To obtain copies of our SEC filings, please visit either the SEC's website at www.sec.gov or our website at www.midcapfinancialic.com. I'd also like to remind everyone that we've posted a supplemental financial information package on our website which contains information about the portfolio as well as the company's financial performance. Throughout today's call, we will refer to MidCap Financial Investment Corporation as either MFIC or the BDC, and we will use MidCap Financial to refer to the lender headquartered in Bethesda, Maryland. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Tanner Powell, MFIC's Chief Executive Officer.

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Elizabeth Besen: I'd also like to remind everyone that we posted a supplemental financial information package on our website, which contains information about the portfolio as well as the company's financial performance.

Elizabeth Besen: Throughout today's call, we will refer to Midcap financial investment Corporation as either M. F. I C or the BDC will use midcap financial to refer to the lender headquartered in Bethesda, Maryland at this time I'd like to turn the call over to John or Paul <unk>, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you Elizabeth and thank you everyone for joining today's call I will begin today's.

Tanner Powell: Thank you, Elizabeth, and thank you everyone for joining today's call. I will begin today's call with a summary of our results and will also provide our perspective on the current environment. I will then provide an update on our proposed merger with Apollo Senior Floating Rate Fund, Inc. and Apollo Tactical Income Fund, Inc. Ted will then cover our investment and activity and provide an update on the investment portfolio and credit quality. Lastly, Greg will review our financial results in greater detail.

John: Call with a summary of our results and will also provide our perspective on the current environment. I will then provide an update to our proposed merger with Apollo's senior floating rate Fund, Inc, and Apollo Tactical income Fund Inc.

John: Ted will then cover our investment activity and provide an update on the investment portfolio and credit quality Lastly, Greg will review our financial results in greater detail yesterday after market close we reported solid results for the March quarter, which included a slight increase in net asset value per share relatively stable credit performance and continued derisking of the portfolio.

Tanner Powell: Yesterday after the market closed, we reported solid results for the March quarter, which included a slight increase in net asset value per share, relatively stable credit performance, and continued de-risking of the portfolio. Net investment income per share for the March quarter was $0.44, which corresponds to an annualized return on equity, or ROE, of 11.4%. Results for the quarter reflect solid recurring interest income from our predominantly floating rate portfolio and strong fee and prepayment income. Gap EPS for the March quarter was $39.

John: Net investment income per share for the March quarter was 44 cents, which corresponds to an annualized return on equity or Roe of.

John: A 11, 4%.

John: Results for the quarter reflect solid recurring interest income from our predominantly floating rate portfolio and strong fee and prepayment income GAAP EPS for the March quarter was 39 cents.

John: Similar to last quarter, we continue to improve the risk profile of our portfolio by reducing our exposure and marks our aircraft leasing portfolio company as well as our second lien exposure.

Tanner Powell: Similar to last quarter, we continue to improve the risk profile of our portfolio by reducing our exposure to Merck, our aircraft leasing portfolio company, as well as our second lien exposure. At the end of March, corporate lending and other represented 92% of the total portfolio, of which 97% was first lien on a fair value basis, up from 96% in the last quarter. With the repayment of one of our few remaining second lien positions, our second lien and other debt exposure is now only about 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio.

John: At the end of March corporate lending and other represented 92% of the total portfolio of which 97% was first lien on a fair value basis up from 96% in the last quarter.

John: With the repayment of one of our few remaining second lien positions are second lien and other debt exposure is now only about 7% of the total corporate lending portfolio.

Tanner Powell: We believe MFIC has one of the most senior corporate lending portfolios among BDCs, as evidenced by our weighted average attachment point of essentially zero. We believe we have constructed a corporate lending portfolio that will perform well even during a potential economic downturn. Overall, we feel good about the health and quality of our corporate lending portfolio as our underlying borrowers have largely been able to handle higher borrowing costs. We have not seen any significant signs of credit weakness across the portfolio. We are, of course, closely monitoring our portfolio and mindful of the potential impacts of a higher-for-longer rate environment. I would now like to provide our perspective on the current environment.

John: We believe M. S. C has one of the most senior corporate lending portfolios among bdcs as evidenced by our weighted average attachment point of essentially zero. We believe we have constructed our corporate lending portfolio that will perform well even during a potential economic downturn overall, we feel good about the health and quality of our corporate lending portfolio.

John: As our underlying borrowers have largely been able to handle higher borrowing costs.

John: We have not seen any significant signs of credit weakness across the portfolio. We are of course closely monitoring our portfolio and mindful of the potential impacts of a higher for longer rate environment I would now like to provide our perspective on the current environment. Despite high interest rates elevated inflation and geopolitical uncertainty U S economy has proven to be resilient.

Tanner Powell: Despite high interest rates, elevated inflation, and geopolitical uncertainty, the U.S. economy has proven to be resilient and continues to display strong growth. At the beginning of 2024, investors expected the Federal Reserve to cut rates multiple times during the year. However, as the quarter progressed, sovereign inflation pushed out the expectation for the start of rate cuts, and the market generally believes that we are in a higher-for-longer scenario. Apollo's chief economist believes that there's a reasonable chance that the Fed may not cut at all in 2024, while the market is currently pricing in only one cut.

John: And continues to display strong growth at the beginning of 'twenty 'twenty four investors expect expected the federal reserve to cut rates multiple times during the year. However, as the quarter progressed southern inflation has pushed out the expectation for the start of rate cuts and the market generally believes that we are in are higher for longer scenario Apollo's chiefs.

John: Economists believes that there's a reasonable chance that the fed may not cut at all in 2024, while the market is currently pricing in only one cut this year.

John: Specific to the lending market during the first quarter. There has been an increase in activity in the syndicated loan market M. S. C is focused on the middle market, which is less susceptible to competition from the syndicated loan market, although spreads in our market have decreased the decline has been less than what we've observed in liquid loan market.

Tanner Powell: Specific to the lending market, during the first quarter, there was an increase in activity in the syndicated loan market. MFIC is focused on the middle market, which is less susceptible to competition from the syndicated loan market. Although spreads in our market have decreased, the decline has been less than what we've observed in liquid loan markets.

John: Reds in our market are still healthy by historical standards and we continue to believe risk return in the middle market remains compelling.

John: In our in our market today, a typical deal with price with a spread of around 500 to 550 basis points as you know and if I see are squarely focused on the core middle market mid cap financial which was founded in 2009 has a long track record, which includes closing on approximately 114 billion of lending commitment.

Tanner Powell: Transcribed by https://otter.ai, As you know, MFIC is squarely focused on the core middle market. MidCap Financial, which was founded in 2009, has a long track record that includes closing on approximately $114 billion of lending commitments since 2013. This origination track record provides us with a very large data set of middle market company financial information across all industries, and we believe it makes MidCap Financial one of the most informed and experienced middle market lenders in the market.

John: Since 2013.

John: Origination track record provides us with a very large data set of middle market company financial information across all industries, and we believe makes midcap financial one of the most informed an experienced middle market lenders in the market Apollo's affiliation with mid cap financial is a significant competitive advantage vantage for M. F. I see in short we believe.

Tanner Powell: Apollo's affiliation with MidCap Financial is a significant competitive advantage for MFIC. In short, we believe the core middle market offers attractive investment opportunities across cycles and does not compete directly with either the broadly syndicated loan market or the high yield market.

John: The core middle market offers attractive investment opportunities across cycles, and does not compete directly with either the broadly syndicated loan market or the high yield market.

Tanner Powell: Next, let's turn to the dividend. Our approach to dividends seeks to provide shareholders with an attractive current yield while also retaining some earnings for NAB stability and growth. To that end, our Board of Directors declared a dividend of $0.38 per share, consistent with our prior quarter dividend, to shareholders of record as of June 11, 2024, payable on June 27, 2024. A $0.38 dividend represents an annualized yield of approximately 9.9% based on NAB per share as of March 31. Our dividend continues to be well covered by net investment income.

John: Next let's turn to the dividend approach to dividend seeks to provide shareholders with an attractive current yield while also retaining some earnings for NAV stability and growth to that end our board of directors declared a dividend up <unk> 38 per share consistent with our prior year prior quarter dividend to shareholders of record as of June 11, 2024.

John: Table on June 27, 2024, or 38 cent dividend represents an annualized yield of approximately nine 9% based on NAV per share as of March 31st our dividend continues to be well covered by net investment income.

Speaker Change: Perfect for handling the call over to Chad I would like to provide a brief update on M. S. Ics proposed mergers with a F. T N. A I F. We remain excited about these proposed mergers and we believe that their consummation, which is subject to receipt of certain stockholder approvals and satisfactory.

Tanner Powell: Before handing the call over to Ted, I would like to provide a brief update on MFIC's proposed mergers with AFT and AIF. We remain excited about these proposed mergers, and we believe that their consummation, which is subject to receipt of certain stockholder approvals and satisfaction of other customary closing conditions, will be able to be used in the future, will create a stronger combined company. We look forward to realizing the potential benefits of a larger combined company, including enhanced returns for all stockholders, greater scale, and enhanced portfolio diversification after closing.

Speaker Change: Other customary closing conditions will create a stronger combined company.

John: We look forward to realizing the potential benefits of a larger combined company, including enhanced returns for all stockholders greater scale and enhanced portfolio diversification after close.

Speaker Change: As a reminder, if one or both of these mergers closing if I see we'll pay a one time cash dividend of <unk> 20 per share to all stockholders. Following the closing the exact record date for this dividend will be determined by M. S. Ice's board of directors based on the timing of the closing.

Tanner Powell: As a reminder, if one or both of these mergers close, MFIC will pay a one-time cash dividend of $0.20 per share to all stockholders following the closing. The exact record date for this dividend will be determined by MFIC's Board of Directors based on the timing of the closing. We filed a definitive joint proxy statement slash perspectives related to the mergers on April 4th, and the special meetings for the stockholders of all three funds to vote on the merger proposals have been scheduled for May. We have officially commenced the proxy solicitation process related to these proposals, and we kindly request that any stockholders of MFIC, AFT, or AIF who have not yet cast their votes on these proposals do so in the coming days. With that, I will turn the call over to you.

Speaker Change: We filed a definitive joint.

Speaker Change: Proxy statement slash prospectus related to the mergers on April 4th and special meetings for the stockholders of all three funds to vote on the merger proposals had been scheduled for May 28.

Speaker Change: Officially commenced the proxy solicitation process related to these proposals and we kindly request that any stockholders of M. S. C. A F T. Our aif, but not yet cast their votes on these proposals do so in the coming days. Please note that we will not be able to answer any questions related to the current vote count on today's call.

Speaker Change: I will turn the call over to Ted.

Ted McNulty: Thank you, Tanner. Good morning, everyone. Beginning with investment activity. As a reminder, MFIC is focused on investing in loans sourced by MidCap Financial, which provides MFIC with a large pipeline of investment opportunities. MidCap Financial is a leading middle market lender with one of the largest direct lending teams in the U.S., with close to 200 investment professionals. On last quarter's call, we mentioned we were seeing a noticeable pickup in pipeline activity.

Ted McNulty: Thank you Tanner and good morning, everyone, beginning with investment activity as it were.

Ted McNulty: A reminder, M. F. T is focused on investing in loans sourced by Midcap financial which provides M. S. C with a large pipeline of investment opportunities midcap financials, a leading middle market lender with one of the largest direct lending teams in the U S with close to 200 investment professionals.

Ted McNulty: Quarters call. We mentioned, we were seeing a noticeable pickup in pipeline activity. We're pleased to report that this has led to a strong level of closings during the March quarter Midcap financial was active during the March quarter closing approximately $5 1 billion in new commitments, an increase of approximately 31% from the December quarter. During the March quarter M. F Ice's <unk>.

Ted McNulty: We're pleased to report that this has led to a strong level of closings during the March quarter. MidCap Financial was active during the March quarter, closing approximately $5.1 billion in new commitments, an increase of approximately 31% from the December quarter. During the March quarter, MFIC's new investment commitments totaled $149 million of new first lien commitments across 16 different borrowers for an average new commitment of $9.3 million as we continue to focus on diversification by borrower.

Ted McNulty: 38% of new commitments were made to existing portfolios. Although we are seeing some pricing compression in the market, the weighted average spread of our new commitments in the quarter was relatively unchanged at 624 basis points, one basis point lower than commitments made during the December quarter. The weighted average OID for new commitments was approximately 211 basis points. The spread in OID translates into a very attractive unlevered asset yield of around 12%. Assuming a 5% base,

Ted McNulty: Investment commitments totaled $149 million of new first lien commitments across 16 different borrowers for an average new commitment of $9 3 million as we continue to focus on diversification by Barbara.

Ted McNulty: 38% of new commitments were made to existing portfolio of companies. Although we are seeing some pricing compression in the market the weighted average spread of our new commitments in the quarter was relatively unchanged at 624 basis points, one basis point lower than commitments made during the December quarter.

Ted McNulty: Weighted average OID for new commitments was approximately 211 basis points. This spread in OID translates into a very attractive levered asset yield of around 12%.

Ted McNulty: Looming of 5% base rate the weighted average net leverage of new commitments was three nine times, we believe the risk return on these new commitments is very compelling our pipeline of investment opportunities remains strong.

Ted McNulty: The weighted average net leverage of new commitments was 3.9 times. We believe the risk return on these new commitments is very compelling. Our pipeline of investment opportunities remains strong. In terms of funded investment activity, gross funding for the corporate lending portfolio, excluding revolvers, totaled $129 million. Sales and repayments totaled $95 million. Net corporate lending revolver paydowns were $14 million, and we received a $4 million paydown from Merck. In aggregate, net funding for the quarter totaled $16 million.

Ted McNulty: In terms of funded investment activity gross fundings for the corporate lending portfolio, excluding revolvers totaled 129 million sales and repayments totaled $95 million net corporate lending revolver Paydowns were $14 million and we received a $4 million paydown for merck's in aggregate net fundings for the quarter totaled 16 million.

Ted McNulty: Our portfolio turnover continues to drive a positive shift in the composition of our portfolio sales and repayments included the exit of a $15 million second lien position, which reduced our already low second lien and other debt exposure by half to just $13 8 million or 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio at fair value.

Ted McNulty: Our portfolio turnover continues to drive a positive shift in the composition of our portfolio. Sales and repayments included the exit of a $15 million second lien position, which reduced our already low second lien and other debt exposure by half to just $13.8 million, or 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio at fair value. We believe this negligible amount of non-first lien exposure highlights the very senior nature of our corporate lending portfolio.

Ted McNulty: We believe the Snuggled negligible amount of non first lien exposure highlights the very senior nature of our corporate lending portfolio.

Ted McNulty: Turning to our investment portfolio, we have built a well diversified senior corporate lending book at the end of March our portfolio had a fair value of $2 35 billion and was invested in 154 companies across 23 different industries corporate lending and other represented approximately 92% of the total portfolio and <unk>.

Ted McNulty: Turning to our investment portfolio, we have built a well-diversified senior corporate lending business. At the end of March, our portfolio had a fair value of $2.35 billion and was invested in 154 companies across 23 different industries. Corporate lending and other represented approximately 92% of the total portfolio, and Merck's accounted for 8% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. The average funded corporate lending position was $14.6 million, or approximately 0.7% of the total corporate and other lending portfolio.

Ted McNulty: <unk> accounted for 8% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. The average funded corporate lending position was $14 6 million or approximately 0.7% the total corporate and other lending portfolio, 97% of our corporate lending portfolio is first lien up from 96% last quarter and over 99% of our court.

Ted McNulty: 97% of our corporate lending portfolio was first lien, up from 96% last quarter, and over 99% of our corporate lending debt portfolio on a cost basis had one or more financial covenants, and 88% of our corporate lending portfolio is backed by financial sponsors who we know well and with whom MidCap Financial has longstanding relationships. Despite the higher-for-longer interest rate environment, our portfolio companies continue to exhibit strong fundamental performance and meet our expectations.

Ted McNulty: But linda that portfolio on a cost basis at one or more financial covenants and 88% of our corporate lending portfolio is backed by financial sponsors, who we know well and with whom midcap financial has long standing relationships.

Ted McNulty: Despite the higher for longer interest rate environment, our portfolio of companies continue to exhibit strong fundamental performance and meet our expectations on a median basis for the quarter portfolio company revenue and EBITDA, both increased by mid single digits year over year. The growth in revenue was attributable to organic expansion while improvements in margins.

Ted McNulty: On a median basis for the quarter, portfolio company revenue and EBITDA both increased by mid-single digits year over year. The growth in revenue is attributable to organic expansion, while improvements in margins are due to borrowers optimizing their cost structures.

Ted McNulty: Or due to borrowers optimizing their cost structures. We believe the sustained positive improvement is an encouraging indicator of the portfolio's underlying strength.

Ted McNulty: We believe the sustained positive improvement is an encouraging indicator of the portfolio's underlying strength. The weighted average yield at cost of our corporate lending portfolio was 12.1% on average for the March quarter, down slightly from 12.2% in December. At the end of March, the weighted average spread on the corporate lending portfolio was 621 basis points, down two basis points compared to the end of December. Turning to credit quality, our focus on true first lien, top of the capital structure middle market loans has resulted in what we consider to be strong and resilient credit, given the second lien repayment I mentioned.

Ted McNulty: The weighted average yield at cost of our corporate lending portfolio was 12, 1% on average for the March quarter down slightly from 12, 2% in the December quarter at the end of March the weighted average spread on the corporate lending portfolio was 621 basis points down two basis points compared to the end of December.

Ted McNulty: Turning to credit quality, our focus on true first lien top of the capital structure of middle market loans has resulted in what we consider to be strong and resilient credit metrics given the second lien repayment I mentioned the weighted average attachment point for our corporate lending portfolio was essentially zero or to be more precise 0.04 times.

Ted McNulty: The weighted average attachment point for our corporate lending portfolio is essentially zero, or to be more precise, 0.04 times. This metric means that there is no senior debt to our position, illustrating that our corporate lending portfolio is indeed, We believe it is key to look at this metric as not all debt labeled first lien is actually the top of the capital structure, as its name would suggest. At the end of March, the weighted average net leverage of our corporate lending portfolio was 5.36 times, up from 5.27 times last quarter. Moving to interest coverage, the weighted average interest coverage ratio remained unchanged at 1.9 times, with four companies below one times.

Ted McNulty: This metric means that theres, no senior debt to our positions illustrating that our corporate lending portfolio is indeed first lien. We believe it is key to look at this metric is not all that labeled first lien is actually top of the capital structure as its name would suggest at the end of March the weighted average net leverage of our corporate lending portfolio was 536 times.

Ted McNulty: Up from five to seven times last quarter.

Ted McNulty: Moving to interest coverage the weighted average interest coverage ratio remained at one nine times unchanged with four companies below one times. We're closely monitoring these situations and believe they are manageable as the companies have strong current liquidity good underlying business performance or how strong financial sponsor support.

Ted McNulty: We're closely monitoring these situations and believe they are manageable, as the companies have strong current liquidity, good underlying business performance, or have strong financial sponsor support. The median EBITDA of the MFIC's corporate lending portfolio was approximately $47,000. Furthermore, we have not seen a meaningful increase in covenant breaches or a pickup in amendment activity.

Ted McNulty: The median EBITDA of M. S Icd's corporate lending portfolio was approximately $47 million.

Ted McNulty: We have not seen a meaningful increase in covenant breaches or a pickup in amendment activity. We believe our credit quality has benefited from mid cap financial strong sourcing and underwriting capabilities. Our underwriting on mid cap source loans has proved to be sound based on data since mid 2016, which is the approximate date upon which we began utilizing.

Ted McNulty: We believe our credit quality has benefited from MidCap Financial's strong sourcing and underwriting capability. Our underwriting on loans originated by MidCap Financial has proved to be sound. Based on data since mid-2016, which is the approximate date upon which we began utilizing our co-investment order, our annualized, net realized, and unrealized loss rate is around two basis points on loans sourced by MidCap Financial. We think this performance data shows how well the strategy is performing.

Ted McNulty: Rising our co investment order, our annualized net realized and unrealized loss rate is around two basis points on loan sourced by mid cap financial we think this performance data shows how well the strategy has performed.

Ted McNulty: Although we added our $12 million investment in Naviga to non-accrual status during the quarter, investments on non-accrual remain very low, totaling $14.4 million, or 0.6% of the total portfolio, at fair value, across three names. Naviga is currently in a sales process, and initial bids are reflected in our mark. We believe these stable credit metrics reflect the way in which we have constructed our portfolio and are the direct result of our focus on sourcing assets from MidCap Financial, one of the leading middle market lenders.

Ted McNulty: Although we added our $12 million investment in the V go to nonaccrual status during the quarter investment on investments on non accrual remained very low totaling $14 4 million or 0.6% of the total portfolio at fair value across three names and.

Ted McNulty: And if he is currently in our sales process and initial bids are reflected in our mark.

Ted McNulty: We believe these stable credit metrics reflect the way in which we have constructed our portfolio and is the direct result of focus on sourcing assets from mid cap financial one of the leading middle market lenders importantly M. S. I see benefits from Midcap financials large dedicated portfolio management team have over 60 investment professionals, which helps identify and address issues.

Ted McNulty: Importantly, MFIC benefits from MidCap Financial's large dedicated portfolio management of over 60 investment professionals, which helps identify and address issues early. It is also important to note that MidCap Financial leads and serves as an administrative agent on the vast majority of our deals, which provides meaningful downside protection. As an agent, we're in active dialogue with the borrower and have enhanced information flow, which allows us to be proactive in resolving problem credit.

Ted McNulty: Early it is also important to note the midcap financial leads and serves as administrative agent on the vast majority of our deals which provides meaningful downside protection as agent, where an accident active dialogue with the borrower and have enhanced information flow, which allows us to be proactive in resolving problem credits.

Tanner Powell: Moving onto Merck's as discussed previously we are focused on reducing our investment in our aircraft leasing and servicing businesses. While we don't expect paydowns to occur evenly we believe aircraft sales and servicing income should allow for the pay down of third party debt and M. F. <unk> investment in Merck's overtime as of March 31, our investment in.

Ted McNulty: Moving on to Merck's, as discussed previously, we are focused on reducing our investment in our aircraft leasing and servicing business. While we don't expect paydowns to occur evenly, we believe aircraft sales and servicing income should allow for the paydown of third-party debt and MFIC's investment in Merck over time. As of March 31, our investment in Merck totaled approximately $190 million, representing approximately 8% of the total portfolio at fair value During the March quarter, Merck paid MFIC approximately $5.9 million, which included $1.9 million of interest and a $4 million return of capital. With that, I will now turn the call over to Greg to discuss.

Greg: Mark's totaled approximately $190 million, representing approximately 8% of the total portfolio at fair value.

Ted McNulty: During the March quarter, Merck's paid M. F. I see approximately $5 9 million, which included $1 9 million of interest and a $4 million return of capital with that I will now turn the call over to Greg to discuss our financial results in detail.

Greg Hunt: Thank you, Ted, and good morning, everyone. Beginning with our financial results, net investment income per share for the March quarter was $0.44, which reflects solid occurring interest as well as strong fee and prepayment. For the quarter, prepayment income was $2.2 million, and fee income was $1.7 million. Pick income remains very low, representing approximately 3% of the total investment income for the quarter.

Greg: Thank you Ted and good morning, everyone, beginning with our financial results net investment income per share for the March quarter was 44 cents, which reflects solid recurring interest income as well as strong fee and prepayment income.

Greg Hunt: The quarter prepayment income was $2 2 million in fee income was $1 7 million.

Greg Hunt: Income remains very low representing approximately 3% of the total investment income for the quarter GAAP net income per share for the quarter was 39.

Greg Hunt: Gap net income per share for the quarter was $0.39, which reflects a $0.05 loss on our investment portfolio. Results for the quarter correspond to an annualized return on equity based on net investment income of 11.4%, and an annualized ROE based on net income of 10.1%. MFIC's NAV per share at the end of March was $15.42, up one cent, over the prior quarter, which reflects net investment income of $0.44, which is $0.06 above the $0.38 distribution, and a $0.05 per share loss on the portfolio. As Ted mentioned, the vast majority of our corporate lending portfolio continues to have strong fundamental performance.

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Greg Hunt: Higher quarter, which reflects net investment income of 44 cents, which is <unk> 38 cents distribution and a five cents per share loss on the portfolio as Ted mentioned, the vast majority of our corporate lending portfolio continues to have strong fundamental performance.

Greg Hunt: Additional details on the change in unrealized gains and losses by strategy are shown on slide 17 in the Earnings Supplement Deck. Net Inspec Expenses for the quarter. We were 39.8 million, down 2.4 million compared to the prior quarter, primarily due to lower general administrative expenses, as well as lower interest expense and lower incentives. We recruited a diminished amount of excise tax in March, compared to approximately 1.1 million in the September quarter. The weighted average interest rate on our debt for the quarter was 7.09%, up from 6.94% last quarter, which reflects the full quarter impact of the CLO notes and the baby bonds, which both closed during the December quarter.

Greg Hunt: Additional details on the change in unrealized gains and losses by strategy are shown on slide 17 in the earnings supplement deck.

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Greg Hunt: With $39 8 million down $2 4 million compared to the prior quarter, primarily due to lower.

Greg Hunt: General and administrative expenses as well as lower interest expense and lower incentive fees were accrued a diminishment of de minimus amount of excise tax in March compared to approximately $1 1 million. This September quarter.

Greg Hunt: The weighted average interest rate on our debt for the quarter was 7.09% up from 694% last quarter, which reflects a full quarter impact of the CLO notes and the baby bonds, which both closed during the December quarter.

Greg Hunt: As stated on last quarter's call, we intend to continue to evaluate and monitor capital raising transactions. Management fees totaled $4.4 million for this March quarter, essentially flat compared to the prior quarter. As a reminder, MFIC's base management fee was reduced to 1.75% on equity beginning January 1st, 2023, and it is one of the only listed BDCs to charge management fees on equity, which we believe provides greater alignment and focus on net asset value.

Greg Hunt: As stated on last quarter's call, we intend to evaluate and monitor capital raising transactions going forward manner.

Greg Hunt: Management fees totaled $4 4 million for this march quarter, essentially flat compared to the prior quarter as a reminder, M. S. Ics base management fee was reduced to 175% on equity beginning January one 2023 and is one of the only listed Bdcs.

Greg Hunt: Charge management fees on equity, which we believe provides greater alignment and focus on net asset value.

Greg Hunt: Incentive fees totaled $6 million for the March quarter, as a reminder, our incentive fee.

Greg Hunt: Incentive fees totaled $6 million for the March quarter. As a reminder, our incentive fee on income is 17.5% and includes a total return hurdle with a 12-quarter look. Our current estimate of undistributable taxable income or spillover income at the end of 2023 was $67.3 million or $1.03 per share. Moving to our balance sheet, MFIC's net leverage was 1.35 times at the end of March, compared to 1.34 times at the end of December, reflecting $17 million of net funding during the quarter. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the call to questions.

Greg Hunt: On income is 17, 5% and includes a total return hurdle.

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Greg Hunt: Our current estimate of undistributed taxable.

Greg Hunt: Taxable income or spillover income at the end of 2023 with.

Greg Hunt: With $67 $3 million or $1 <unk> per share.

Greg Hunt: Moving to our balance sheet MSI season, net leverage was 135 times at the end of March compared to 134 times at the end of December reflecting 17 million of net fundings during the quarter. This concludes our prepared remarks operator, please open the call to questions.

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Howard T. Widra: Seeing much in the way of competitive moves, say, given the broadly syndicated market, a little more activity there, you've seen some lenders dip down more into the middle market and impacting spreads. And maybe, along with that, I think you talked about a 500 to 550 basis point spread today. Has that been relatively stable lately, or has it been fluctuating through the quarter? How would you say it is? you know, kind of the trend.

Mark Douglas Hughes: Seen that much in the way of competitive moves to say given the broadly syndicated market the little more activity there you've seen some lenders get down more into the middle market and impacting spreads.

Howard T. Widra: Maybe along with that I think you talked about 500 to 550 basis point spread today is that has it been relatively stable lately or has that been moving through the quarter. How would you say it is.

Howard T. Widra: Tanner, let me, I'll comment on that, this is Howard. Not so immediately, and that's really because, you know, obviously, you may see large sponsors that are covered and doing larger deals occasionally dip down in the middle market, but in order to cover the middle market, you know, you need to have a comprehensive coverage effort, which is, you know, and continuity in the market with a lot of those sponsors. And so you just don't see, you know, the capability of the people who are focused on the larger market, you know, competing directly, probably syndicated with the capabilities to sort of just step into that market, you know, holistically.

Howard T. Widra: You know kind of this transaction.

Howard T. Widra: Kinda, let me I'll comment on that as Howard odd.

Howard T. Widra: Uh huh.

Howard T. Widra: Not not so immediately and that's really because you know obviously you you may see large sponsors that are covered by <unk> and doing larger deals occasionally get down in the middle market, but in order to cover the middle market you need to have a comprehensive coverage effort.

Howard T. Widra: Which as you know and continuity of the market with a lot of those sponsors and so you just don't see the capability of the people who are focused on on the larger market competing directly probably syndicated with the capabilities to sort of step into that market.

Howard T. Widra: Holistically.

Howard T. Widra: It doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasional deals. I mean, as a separate matter, there's capital being created in the middle market all the time, you know, and then, you know, those teams may or may not have comprehensive coverage as well. So there is definitely competition that's causing compression, but it's not really the result of the broadly syndicated market. You know, the middle market is one of the strengths of it is being sort of insulated from that, you know, that variation.

Speaker Change: Maybe it doesn't happen on occasional appeals I mean as a separate matter there's capital being created in the middle market all the time.

Howard T. Widra: You know and then either of those.

Howard T. Widra: Teams may or may not have comprehensive coverage as well. So there is definitely competition thats, causing compression, but it's not really the result of the broadly syndicated market.

Howard T. Widra: You know the middle market is one of the strengths of its being sort of insulated from that goes that that that variation.

Howard T. Widra: And then any comment on the trajectory of spreads.

Howard T. Widra: This year, if you think about where they were in January to where we are today.

Howard T. Widra: Yeah.

Ted McNulty: Yeah, I'm happy to take that. So, yeah, Mark, I would I would call your attention to the fact that deals are between 500 and 550. And in the quarter, we actually executed at 624. And that has to do with what we talk about a lot. There's a gestation period for deals getting done, and that reflects a lot of sale processes that have been initiated last year. And so, you know, so that's a pretty significant tightening that we see.

Speaker Change: Yeah, let me take that so yeah, Mark I would I would call your attention to we alluded to the fact that deals are between $505 50 and in the quarter, we actually executed at six 624.

Ted McNulty: And that has to do with what we talked about a lot. There's a gestation period for deals getting done and that reflects.

Ted McNulty: A lot of sale processes that have been commenced last year and so you know so that that's pretty significant tightening that that that we see what we are seeing is.

Ted McNulty: What we are seeing is some modicum of stability at this juncture, you know, post-December where conditions improved and you saw some of the spread tightening and rally in markets more broadly. Those sale processes are hitting are now at a point where we're able to create new credit assets, and our pipelines are very full. So I would say, you know, certainly my initial comment there reflects the tightening overall that we've seen in the middle market, but we are seeing some stability now that sale processes have had an opportunity to run their course and the opportunity for new credit asset creation.

Ted McNulty: Some modicum of stability as at this juncture post December.

Ted McNulty: Sure.

Ted McNulty: Conditions are improved and and and you saw some of the spread tightening and rally in markets more broadly.

Ted McNulty: Those sale processes are hitting are now.

Ted McNulty: At a point, where there were able to create new credit assets and our pipelines are are are very full so I would say certainly that my my my initial comment there reflects the tightening oh overall that we've seen are in and in the middle market, but seeing some stability now that.

Ted McNulty: Sale prices have had an opportunity to run their course, and and the opportunity for new credit asset creation.

Speaker Change: Yes, thank you for that one more in.

Ted McNulty: Yeah, thank you for that. One more in You probably have addressed this, but I wonder if you could update us on the kind of seniority profile you certainly emphasize the Focus on First Lean once you do the merger with the other Apollo funds. What will that look, roughly speaking?

Ted McNulty: You probably have addressed this but I wonder if you could update us on the kind of the scene.

Ted McNulty: Seniority profile you've certainly.

Ted McNulty: Emphasize the.

Ted McNulty: Focus on first lien once you do the merger with the other Apollo funds, how would that look roughly speaking.

Speaker Change: Yeah. It will it will it will look similarly.

Ted McNulty: Yeah, it will, it will, it will look similarly. Those funds, which are obviously publicly available, have some more broadly syndicated type loans, but predominantly first lien, and then mark, as we've talked about in both in our prepared remarks in the filings as well as also our investor decks that the intention is obviously over time. As those loans mature, or we can sell them out of them to obviously reposition them into our core strategy of MidCap loans, you know, first lien floating rate loans that we source for them by the MidCap.

Ted McNulty: Those funds.

Ted McNulty: Which is is obviously publicly available have have some more.

Ted McNulty: Broadly syndicated type loans, but predominantly.

Ted McNulty: First lien and then mark as we've talked about.

Ted McNulty: And both in our prepared remarks and in our filings as well as also on our investor decks that the the intention is obviously over time is as those are loans mature or are we can we can sell out of them to obviously reposition them into our core strategy of mid cap.

Ted McNulty: Loans first.

Ted McNulty: First lien floating rate loans, so we source for their source by that the midcap platform.

Ted McNulty: Yeah.

Speaker Change: Thank you very much.

Ted McNulty: Thank you. Our next question will come from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Kyle Joseph: Thank you. Our next question will come from Kyle Joseph with Jeffries. Please go ahead.

Kyle Joseph: Yeah, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Kyle Joseph: Yeah, great. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry if I missed this. But did you give a sense for proforma leverage or the ballpark?

Kyle Joseph: Sorry, if I missed this July so right at this point.

Kyle Joseph: But did you get a sense for pro forma leverage or ballpark area.

Kyle Joseph: Right here.

Kyle Joseph: It will be somewhere around.

Ted McNulty: It will be somewhere around, you know, between 1.15 and 1.30. 0.2 times levered.

Ted McNulty: Between 115 and one.

Ted McNulty: On 0.2 times Levered.

Kyle Joseph: Okay got it helpful and good segue in my next.

Ted McNulty: Okay, got it. Helpful and a good segue to my next question. You know, over the last couple of years, you guys have been focused on reducing core and and lowering all leverage. And now, especially with the merger, are we kind of at the point where you can think about more transitioning to kind of the offensive side, if that's fair to ask?

Ted McNulty: Over the last couple of years, you guys have been focused on reducing core and lowering our leverage and now, especially with the merger. We can add them at the point, where you can think about more transitioning to kind of the offensive side is that fair to ask.

Ted McNulty: Yes.

Ted McNulty: So Kyle, I mean, certainly we're really excited by the prospect. Should it should should we be successful in having an opportunity to? you deploy even more capital. Yeah, I wouldn't attach an offensive defensive valence to it per se, because, you know, our strategy, since we got the ability to go up in leverage, has been 100% focused on sourcing, or sorry, participating in, or investing in loans that are originated at MidCap.

Speaker Change: So Kyle I mean, certainly we were really excited by the prospect should it should we be successful of having an opportunity to.

Ted McNulty: You could deploy even more capital yeah, I wouldn't attach the offensive defensive valens to it per se because you know our strategy.

Ted McNulty: Since we got the ability to go up in leverage has been 100% focused on on sourcing sorry participating in or investing in loans that are originated at mid cap and so are our approach doesn't change I think this is just a very elegant opportunity.

Ted McNulty: And so our approach doesn't change. I think this is just a very elegant opportunity to do even more of it and to kind of create, you know, an even bigger percentage of the portfolio with those MidCap sourced loans.

Ted McNulty: To do even more of it and to.

Ted McNulty: You know kind of create that.

Ted McNulty: Even bigger percentage of the portfolio with those tap source loans.

Speaker Change: Got it very helpful. And then one follow up for me probably Greg.

Greg Hunt: Guys, very helpful. And then one follow-up for me, probably Greg, just where we are on rates. I'm not going to ask you to predict where rates are going to go, but just how you think about the right side of the balance sheet in the mix between floating rate and fixed rate liabilities. And that's it for me. Thanks, guys.

Greg Hunt: That's where we are in a race to not going to ask you to predict where rates are going to go but just how you're thinking about the right side of the balance sheet and then mix between.

Greg Hunt: Floating rate and fixed rate liabilities and that's it for me thanks guys.

Greg Hunt: Okay.

Greg Hunt: Okay, I mean, from our point of view, we do have, you know, our $350 million 10 year note coming due in March of 25, which is fixed rate. I do think, you know, we did our baby bond, which was fixed rate, and we didn't swap it because we have a two-year call option on it. I do think that as we go out, we'll match our liabilities with our assets.

Greg Hunt: That you know from our point of view, we do have.

Greg Hunt: Our $350 million 10 year note coming due in March of 'twenty five.

Greg Hunt: Which is fixed rate.

Greg Hunt: I do think we did our baby bond.

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Greg Hunt: Which was fixed rate and we.

Greg Hunt: It didn't swap it because we have a two year call option on it.

Greg Hunt: I do think that as we go out we will match our.

Greg Hunt: Liabilities for their assets.

Kyle Joseph: Great, thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker Change: Great. Thanks for taking my question.

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Robert Dodd: Our next question.

Operator: Yes.

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Robert Dodd: Morning. Credit quality obviously looks really good, right? I mean, PICs not going up and always getting paid down, etc. Have you seen or heard any initial increased discussion from sponsors? I mean, it was five months ago, it looked like there were going to be six cuts, and sponsors could afford to sit on their hands, so to speak, and White Maybe Interest Coverage. That's still above one, but the moving might might resolve itself if I put it this way, but hit hit with, you know, the possibility of no cuts, but you know, the curve saying one, that the high interest costs are going to live longer in the portfolio.

Robert Dodd: Good morning, all.

Robert Dodd: Our credit quality, obviously looks really picks up going out and always getting paid down et cetera.

Robert Dodd: Are you seeing.

Robert Dodd: Any.

Robert Dodd: Initial increased discussion from sponsors I mean, it was yes.

Robert Dodd: Five months ago looks like they were going to be six sponsors could afford to sit on Manhattan so to speak.

Robert Dodd: And when maybe interest coverage.

Robert Dodd: It's still above one.

Robert Dodd: Moving Mike might resolve itself.

Robert Dodd: But.

Robert Dodd: With the.

Robert Dodd: Possibility of no cuts, but cause same one.

Robert Dodd: The high.

Robert Dodd: High interest costs.

Robert Dodd: Loans in the portfolio.

Robert Dodd: And any change in.

Robert Dodd: What sponsors are doing proactively.

Robert Dodd: So has there been any change in what sponsors are doing proactively said no increase in amendment requests yet. Is there any preliminary discussions there or any color you can give on what the outlook is given? It looks like rates are going to stay extremely high for quite a lot longer.

Robert Dodd: We see an amendment request yet.

Robert Dodd: Preliminary discussions there or any color you can give on what the outlook is given it looks like rates are going to stay extremely high for quite a long way at this point.

Speaker Change: Yeah, Yeah happy to take that so.

Ted McNulty: Yeah, yeah, happy to take that. So there's a couple things going on. One, you know, in the kind of, I would say, economic environment over the last few years, the sponsors and the companies have focused on, you know, really becoming more efficient so that, you know, they could prepare for, you know, a longer-term hold if necessary. And then, as you alluded to, when there was a view that there were going to be, you know, five rate cuts, people got excited about doing M&A So with the process of rate cuts going away, I think we can at least kind of fall back from a, you know, fundamental performance standpoint that the companies are doing well.

Ted McNulty: There's a couple of things going on one you know over the.

Ted McNulty: Kind of I would say.

Ted McNulty: The economic environment over the last few years, the sponsors and the companies are focused on.

Ted McNulty: Really becoming more efficient so that they could prepare for a longer term hold if necessary.

Ted McNulty: Then as you alluded to when there was a view that they're going to be five rate cuts.

Ted McNulty: Got excited about doing M&A.

Ted McNulty: So with the prospect of rates cuts going away I think we can at least kind of fall back from a fundamental performance standpoint that that the companies are doing well and then secondly.

Ted McNulty: And then secondly, if you think about the technical aspects of the private equity market, you still have a lot of dry powder that needs to be put to work. You still have a number of sponsors that need to return capital in order to be able to raise their next fund. So that's going to drive transactions. And, you know, there's going to be a period of time, like any time that there is volatility in rate expectations or market valuations, for the bid-ask to come together.

Ted McNulty: If you think about the technicals of the private equity market you still have a lot of dry powder that needs to be put to work are you still have a number of sponsors that need to return capital in order to be able to raise their next fund so that's going to drive.

Ted McNulty: That's going to drive transactions and you know there's going to be a period of time like anytime that there is volatility and rate expectations or market valuations for the bid asked to come together and so I think that's happening and then you know that that'll take a little bit of time to play out and then the third thing that we're seeing.

Ted McNulty: And so I think that's what's happening. And then, you know, that'll take a little bit of time to play out. And then the third thing that we're seeing, you know, is more and more continuation vehicles where sponsors, you know, have companies within their funds, and they need to hold on to those longer to really realize the multiples that they're looking for. And then, I guess, the last thing I would say is that in terms of discussions with sponsors about other alternatives, you know, there are some early conversations around extensions and repricings where they're coming back and saying, you know, we thought we were going to monetize this year, but we're going to look to next year. You know, they're not at the point in their fund where they need to do a continuation vehicle or they don' And so, you know, there are very constructive discussions around the lending groups, extending the maturity, and addressing the overall structure. So, I would say those are kind of the four dynamics at play.

Ted McNulty: Is more and more continuation vehicles where sponsors.

Ted McNulty: Have companies within their funds and they need to hold onto those longer to really realize the.

Ted McNulty: Multiples that they're looking for and then I guess finally.

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Ted McNulty: The last thing I would say is that in terms of discussions with sponsors about other alternatives. You know there are some early conversations around extensions and re pricings, where theyre coming back and saying.

Ted McNulty: We thought we were going to monetize this year, but it is we're going to look to next year theyre not at the point in their fund where they need to do a continuation vehicle or they don't feel the pressure to return capital and so are very constructive discussions around.

Ted McNulty: The lending groups, extending the maturity and addressing the overall structure so I.

Ted McNulty: I would say those are kind of the four dynamics at play.

Speaker Change: That's really helpful. Thank you I mean quick follow up to that one.

Ted McNulty: Really helpful, thank you. I mean, a quick follow-up to that one. Does a continuation vehicle constitute a change in control and a mandatory refinancing? I mean, does that get you refinanced out, or is it automatic that you get ported across to the vehicle with the existing loan?

Ted McNulty: It's a continuation with vehicle constitute a change in control and the mandatory refinancing I mean does that that you would finance that with automatics.

Ted McNulty: You get ported across the EU vehicle with the existing book.

Ted McNulty: Yeah, so it is typical that that would be a change of control. But it's also typical in the direct lending space that, you know, you don't just show up one day at your desk and get a notice that it's going to happen, right? There's an ongoing dialogue about what the strategy is, what the financing is going to be, and, you know, there's some visibility around. The sponsor will come and say, hey, do you want to support this, you know, going forward? And sometimes we say yes, and sometimes we say no, at which point they launch a financing process that aligns with their continuation.

Ted McNulty: Yes. So it is a typical that that would be a change of control.

Ted McNulty: But it's also typical in the direct lending space that you don't just show up one day answer duskin and get a notice that it's going to happen right.

Ted McNulty: Ongoing dialogue about what the strategy is what the financing is going to be and you know there are some visibility around.

Ted McNulty: The sponsor will call them and say, Hey, do you want to support us going forward and sometimes we say, yes, and sometimes we say no at which point they lots of financing process that aligns with their continuation vehicles.

Ted McNulty: Got it. Thank you. And then one more if I can. If, hypothetically, the mergers close sometime in the not-too-distant future, has there been any kind of change in the competitive environment out there, BSL, etc., has that changed your plan about how fast you would churn the assets within those acquired vehicles if they were to... Bye.

Speaker Change: Got it. Thank you and then one more if I can if hypothetically.

Ted McNulty: The merger's close sometime in the not too distant future Hudson.

Ted McNulty: Something of a change in the competitive environment Aetna BSL SASSA has that changed your plan about how fast you would.

Ted McNulty: Sure.

Ted McNulty: Churn the assets within those acquired vehicles, if they were to close.

Ted McNulty: Okay.

Speaker Change: Hi, Thanks, Robert I think.

Ted McNulty: Thanks, Robert. I think... I would say, No, I think that you should rely on us or expect us to always be evaluating risk and reward in the context of the market environment and what makes sense. And then furthermore, as, you know, faced with, you know, as we think about investing, we're always cognizant of vintage and wanting to do things with a measured, measured, measured approach. And, and that would be the same if, if, hypothetically, these were to close.

Ted McNulty: I would say.

Ted McNulty: No I think that you shouldn't rely on us or expect us to always be evaluating risk reward in the context of the market environment and what makes sense.

Ted McNulty: And then Furthermore.

Ted McNulty: As you know faced with as we as we think about investing we're always cognizant of vintage and wanting to do things with a measured measure measured approach and that would be the same if hypothetically these were to close and so.

Ted McNulty: And so if we were confronting an environment such as what we do today, we would be evaluating the market in a similar fashion and evaluating risk and reward. And our intention would, has, has always been to not take outsized exposure to any one particular vintage and would expect to conduct ourselves in a similar manner should an emergency arise.

Ted McNulty: If we are confronting in environment, such as what we do today, we would be evaluating the market in a similar fashion and evaluating risk award and our intention has always been to not take outsized exposure to any one particular vintage.

Ted McNulty: And we'd expect to conduct ourselves in a similar manner should should the margins be successful.

Speaker Change: Got it thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you we show no further questions at this time.

Operator: Thank you. We have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

Speaker Change: I'd like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

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