Q1 2024 Sotherly Hotels Inc Earnings Call
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Maxim: If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release, you may access it on our website at SotherlyHotels.com. In the release, the company has reconciled all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in accordance with REG 2 requirements. Any statements made during this conference call, which are not historical, may constitute forward-looking statements. Although we believe the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, we can give no assurance that these expectations will be attained.
Maxim: Thank you and good morning, everyone. If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release, you may access it on our website. So currently hotels dot com in the release the company has reconciled all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in accordance with Reg G requirements.
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Maxim: Forward looking statements are detailed in today's press release and from time to time in the company's filings with the SEC.
Maxim: The company does not undertake a duty to update or revise any forward looking statements with that I'll turn the call over to Scott.
Maxim: With that, I'll turn the call over to Scott.
Scott M. Kucinski: Thanks, Mac. Good morning, everyone. I'll start off today's call with a review of our portfolio's key operating metrics for the first quarter. Looking at the first quarter results for the Composite Portfolio compared to 2023, RevPAR increased 3.8%, driven by a 7.5% increase in occupancy and a 3.3% decrease in ADR. Looking at the first quarter results for the Composite Portfolio relative to 2019, first quarter REVPAR was up 1.4 percent, driven by ADR growth of 9.3 percent, and occupancy down 7.2 percent.
Scott: Thanks, Max Good morning, everyone I'll start off today's call to review of our portfolio's key operating metrics for the first quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: This occupancy gap at pre-pandemic levels reflects a significant upside for the portfolio moving forward. Overall, our portfolio's first quarter results, which were driven by strong occupancy growth, outperformed both top and bottom line budget expectations. The notable growth in occupancy indicates lodging fundamentals across our portfolio are nearing normalization following an uneven post-pandemic recovery period. Although the impressive occupancy gains were partially offset by a 3.3% decline in ADR, this drop in rate was almost entirely isolated to our South Florida property.
Scott M. Kucinski: The first quarter results for the composite portfolio compared to 2023, Revpar increased three 8% driven by a seven 5% increase in occupancy and a three 3% decrease in ADR.
Scott M. Kucinski: Looking at the first quarter results for the composite portfolio relative to 2019 first quarter Revpar was up one 4% driven by ADR growth of nine 3% and occupancy down seven 2%. This occupancy gap to pre pandemic levels reflects the significant upside for the portfolio moving forward.
Scott M. Kucinski: Overall, our portfolio's first quarter results, which were driven by strong occupancy growth outperformed both top and Bottomline budgeted expectations. The notable growth in occupancy indicates lodging fundamentals across our portfolio are nearing normalization following the uneven post pandemic recovery period.
Scott M. Kucinski: Although the impressive occupancy gains were partially offset by three 3% decline in ADR.
Scott M. Kucinski: Drop in rate was almost entirely isolated to our south Florida properties.
Scott M. Kucinski: Our group-focused properties continue to be a key catalyst of growth for our portfolio as our Wilmington and Savannah hotels, both of which easily outperformed prior year REVFAR, led the segment during the quarter. The DeSoto Savannah was particularly noteworthy, with first quarter REVFAR outperforming prior year by 11% and outperforming Q1 2019 by nearly 32%. The Hyde-centric Arlington, driven by strong year-over-year growth in the group and corporate segments, continued to fire on all cylinders during the first quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: Our group focus properties continue to be a key catalyst of growth for our portfolio as our Wilmington, Savannah hotels, both of which easily outperformed prior year Revpar led the segment during the quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: The Desoto Savannah was particularly noteworthy with first quarter Revpar outperforming prior year by 11% and outperformed in Q1 2019 by nearly 32%.
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Scott M. Kucinski: The Hyatt centric Arlington, driven by strong year over year growth in the group and corporate segments continue to fire on all cylinders during the first quarter the property outpaced the prior period's revpar by six 7% driven by three 8% increase in occupancy and a $2 seven increase in rate.
Scott M. Kucinski: The property outpaced the prior period's REV PAR by 6.7 percent, driven by a 3.8 percent increase in occupancy and a 2.7 increase in rates. For the first comparable period in 2019, REVFAR improved by 12.7% with occupancy flat and ADR up 12.7%. The property continues to be the leader in its competitive set, achieving a REPFAR index of over 124% during the first quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: First a comparable period in 2019, Revpar improved by 12, 7% with occupancy flat in ADR up 12, 7%. The property continues to be the leader in its competitive set achieving a revpar index of over 124% during the first quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: The continued strength of our group focus hotels was coupled with a long awaited breakthrough in business transient performance at our slow to recover urban hotels in Atlanta and Houston during the first quarter. The Georgian Terrace in Atlanta's management teams' efforts to drive increased corporate and association business to the hotel proved successful during the quarter, as occupancy improved more than 25% over the prior year. In addition, the potential for recovering the film industry business segment presents additional growth prospects moving forward.
Scott M. Kucinski: The continued strength of our group focused hotels was coupled with a long awaited breakthrough and business transient performance at our slow to recover urban hotels in Atlanta, and Houston during the first quarter.
Scott M. Kucinski: The Georgia tariffs in Atlanta as management teams efforts to drive increased corporate and association business to the hotel proves successful during the quarter as occupancy improved more than 25% over prior year. In addition to potential for recovery in the film industry business segment presents additional growth prospects moving forward.
Scott M. Kucinski: The Whitehall in Houston improved its REV PAR by nearly 21% over the prior year, which was fueled by a nearly 22% gain in occupancy. The Whitehall document see improvement was predominantly driven by growth in the transient business segment, which was up the prior year by nearly 30%, an encouraging sign of recovery for the hotel and the downtown Houston submarket. We are optimistic the recent momentum in Atlanta and Houston will carry forward as the pre-pandemic occupancy gap that remains at these hotels presents significant upside opportunity.
Scott M. Kucinski: The Whitehall in Houston improved its revpar by nearly 21% over prior year, which was fueled by nearly 22% gain in occupancy.
Scott M. Kucinski: Whitehall is the occupancy improvement was predominantly driven by growth in the transient business segment, which was up to prior year by nearly 30% and encouraging sign of recovery for the hotel in downtown Houston Submarket.
Scott M. Kucinski: We are optimistic the recent momentum in Atlanta, Houston will carry forward as pre pandemic occupancy gap that remains at these hotels presents significant upside opportunity.
Scott M. Kucinski: Looking at profitability metrics for the portfolio, although hotel EBITDA margins for the first quarter 2024 were 120 basis points below the prior year, the decline was solely tied to increased property insurance costs in Q1 2024 versus the prior year. With our insurance renewal that occurred on April 1st, we are pleased to say the insurance markets have softened a bit, and our costs have been reduced. With our amendee offerings now fully open, staffing and wages stabilized, and a reduction in insurance costs, we expect margins to normalize going forward.
Scott M. Kucinski: Looking at profitability metrics for the portfolio.
Scott M. Kucinski: Although hotel EBITDA margins for the first quarter 2024 were 120 basis points below prior year. The decline was solely tied to increased property insurance insurance costs in Q1 2024 versus prior year.
Scott M. Kucinski: With our insurance renewal that occurred April 1st we are pleased to say the insurance markets at <unk> have softened a bit and our costs have been reduced with.
Scott M. Kucinski: With our menu offerings now fully open staffing and wages stabilize and reduction in insurance costs, we expect margins to normalize going forward.
Scott M. Kucinski: During the corporate activity last week, we announced the company extending its first mortgage loan for the DoubleTree Philadelphia Airport Hotel. The interest-only loan, which has been reduced by $3 million to $35.9 million, matures in April 2026 and carries a floating interest rate based on SOFR plus 3.5%. As part of the transaction, we purchased an interest rate cap, capping SOFR for a portion of the loan at 3%.
Scott M. Kucinski: Turning to corporate activity last week, we announced the company executing an extension on its first mortgage loan for the Doubletree Philadelphia Airport hotel the interest only loan which has been reduced by $3 million to $35 9 million matures in April 2026, and carries a floating interest rate based on sofa, plus three 5% as part of the transaction.
Scott M. Kucinski: And we purchased an interest rate cap capping sofa for a portion of the loan at 3%.
Scott M. Kucinski: In addition, we announced that the company entered into a 10-year franchise agreement with Hilton Worldwide to re-license the hotel under the DoubleTree by Hilton flag. As part of the new agreement with Hilton, the company will undertake a renovation of the property with an estimated cost of approximately $11.5 million and an estimated completion date of April 2026. Renovation plans for the property will include upgrades to guest rooms, public spaces, food and beverage spaces, and the building's exterior.
Scott M. Kucinski: In addition, we announced the company entered into a 10 year franchise agreement with Hilton worldwide to realize the hotel under the Doubletree by Hilton flag as far as the new agreement with Hilton. The company will undertake a renovation of the property with an estimated cost of approximately $11 $5 million in SMA completion date of April 2026 renovation plan.
Scott M. Kucinski: So the property will include upgrades to guest rooms public spaces food and beverage spaces in the building's exterior.
Scott M. Kucinski: Lastly, in April, we announced the company executed a $35 million secure loan with Citi Real Estate Funding on the Hotel Alba in Tampa, Florida. The interest-only loan matures in March of 2029 and carries a fixed interest rate of 8.49%. This refinancing represents the culmination of our repositioning strategy, which created substantial value for the hotel and resulted in cash proceeds of over $10 million to the company. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tony.
Scott M. Kucinski: Lastly in April we announced the company executed a $35 million secured loan with city real estate funding.
Tony: On the hotel Alba in Tampa, Florida.
Tony: Interest only loan matures in March of 2029 and carries a fixed interest rate of 849%.
Scott M. Kucinski: This refinancing represents the culmination of our repositioning strategy, which created substantial value for the hotel and resulted in cash proceeds of over $10 million of the company with that I'll turn the call over to Tony.
Anthony E. Domalski: Thank you, Scott. I am reviewing performance for the period ended March 31st, 2024. For the first quarter, total revenue was approximately $46.5 million, representing an increase of 7% over the same quarter last year. Hotel Libre revenue for the quarter was approximately $12.4 million, representing an increase of 2.3% over the same quarter last year, and for the quarter, adjusted FFO was approximately four and a half million, representing an increase of approximately 11.2% over the same quarter in the prior year.
Tony: Thank you Scott.
Tony: Reviewing performance for the period ended March 31, 2024 for the first quarter total revenue was approximately $46 5 million, representing an increase of 7% over the same quarter last year.
Anthony E. Domalski: EBIT for the quarter was approximately $12 $4 million.
Anthony E. Domalski: Representing an increase of two 3% over the same quarter last year.
Anthony E. Domalski: And for the quarter adjusted <unk> was approximately $4 5 million, representing an increase of approximately 11, 2% over the same quarter in the prior year.
Anthony E. Domalski: Please note that our adjusted FFO excludes charges related to the early extinguishment of debt, unrealized gains and losses on derivative instruments, charges related to aborted or abandoned securities offerings, ESOP, and stock compensation expense, as well as other items. Hotel EBITDA excludes these charges as well as interest expense, interest income, corporate G&A expenses, realized gains and losses on derivative instruments, and our income tax provision and other items as well.
Anthony E. Domalski: Please note that our adjusted <unk> excludes charges related to the early extinguishment of debt.
Anthony E. Domalski: The realized gains and losses on derivative instruments charges related to aborted or abandoned securities offerings.
Anthony E. Domalski: This up and stock compensation expense.
Anthony E. Domalski: Well as other items.
Anthony E. Domalski: Hotel EBITDA excludes these charges as well as interest expense interest income corporate G&A expenses realized gains and losses on derivative instruments and our income tax our income tax provision and other items as well.
Anthony E. Domalski: Please refer to our earnings release for additional detail. Looking at our balance sheet as of March 31, 2024, the company had total cash of approximately $39.6 million, consisting of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents of approximately $29.3 million, as well as approximately $10.3 million, which was reserved for real estate taxes, capital improvements, and certain other items. At the end of the quarter, we had principal balances of approximately $328 million in outstanding debt at a weighted average interest rate of $5.8 million. Additionally, approximately 83.9% of the company's debt carried a fixed rate of interest.
Anthony E. Domalski: Please refer to our earnings release for additional detail.
Anthony E. Domalski: Looking at our balance sheet as of March 31, 2024, the company had total cash of approximately $39 6 billion.
Anthony E. Domalski: Consisting of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents of approximately $29 3 million.
Anthony E. Domalski: As well as approximately $10 3 million, which was reserved for real estate taxes capital improvements and certain other items.
Anthony E. Domalski: At the end of the quarter, we had principal balances of approximately $328 million in outstanding debt at a weighted average interest rate of five 8%.
Anthony E. Domalski: Approximately 83, 9% of the company's debt carries a fixed rate of interest.
Anthony E. Domalski: As we enter a more normalized operating environment, we anticipate routine capital expenditures for the replacement and refurbishment of furniture, fixtures, and equipment to be more in line with historical norms, and we estimate these capital expenditures will amount to approximately $7 million for calendar year 2024. Additionally, as announced last week, we anticipate beginning a product improvement plan at the Doubletree by Hilton Philadelphia Airport. We anticipate capital expenditures related to this project to total approximately $3 million this fiscal year. We are reiterating guidance with a forecast of anticipated results for the full year previously disclosed in March. Our guidance considers market conditions and accounts for current and expected performance within the portfolio.
Anthony E. Domalski: As we enter a more normalized operating environment, we anticipate routine capital expenditures for the replacement and refurbishment of furniture fixtures and equipment to be more in line with historical norms and we estimate these capital expenditures will amount to approximately $7 million for calendar year 2024.
Anthony E. Domalski: As announced last week, we anticipate beginning a product improvement plan at the Doubletree by Hilton Philadelphia Airport.
Anthony E. Domalski: We anticipate capital expenditures related to this project the total approximately $3 million this fiscal year.
Anthony E. Domalski: We are reiterating guidance with a forecast of anticipated results for the full year previously disclosed in March.
Anthony E. Domalski: Our guidance considers market conditions that accounts for current and expected performance within the portfolio. We're projecting total revenue in the range of 179% to $182 6 million.
Anthony E. Domalski: We're projecting total revenue in the range of $179 to $182.6 million for full year 2024. At the midpoint of this guidance, this represents a 4% increase over the prior year. Hotel Leavitt is projected in the range of $46.1 to $46.9 million. And at the midpoint of the guidance, this represents a 3.8% increase over the prior year. Adjusted FFO is projected in the range of $12.8 to $13.8 million, or $0.64 to $0.69 a share.
Anthony E. Domalski: For full year 2024 at.
Anthony E. Domalski: At the midpoint of this guidance this represents a 4% increase over the prior year.
Anthony E. Domalski: Hotel EBITDA is projected in the range of $46 1 million to $46 9 million.
Anthony E. Domalski: And at the midpoint of the guidance. This represents a three 8% increase over prior year.
Anthony E. Domalski: Adjusted <unk> is projected in the range of 12, eight to $13 8 million or.
Anthony E. Domalski: Or <unk> 64 to 69, a share at the midpoint of the guidance. This represents.
Anthony E. Domalski: At the midpoint of the guidance, this represents an 8.7% decrease from the prior year. The year over year decrease in adjusted FFO is mainly due to increased interest expense in 2024 and one-time benefits in the prior year for successful real estate tax appeals that have properties in Savannah and Hollywood.
Anthony E. Domalski: And eight 7% decrease over prior year.
Anthony E. Domalski: The year over year decrease in adjusted <unk> is mainly due to increased interest expense in 2024, and one time benefits in the prior year for successful real estate tax appeals at our properties in Savannah in Hollywood.
David R. Folsom: I will now turn the call over to Dave. Thank you, Tony. Good morning, everyone.
Anthony E. Domalski: I will now turn the call over to Dave. Thank you Tony and good morning, everyone. We were pleased with our first quarter results for our composite portfolio, which achieved.
David R. Folsom: Thank you everyone. We were pleased with the first quarter results for our composite portfolio, which achieved 8% red part growth over the prior year. These strong year-over-year results were especially encouraging given the timing of the Easter holiday weekend, which shifted from the second quarter to the first quarter this year. Occupancy was the driver of Red Park, as we experienced continued strength in group travel at our properties in Savannah, Arlington, and Wilmington, which performed historically well during the quarter.
David R. Folsom: 8% Revpar growth over prior year. These strong year over year results were especially encouraging given the timing of the Easter holiday weekend shifting from the second quarter to the first quarter. This year.
David R. Folsom: Occupancy was the driver of Revpar growth as we experienced continued strength in group travel at our properties in Savannah, Arlington, and Wilmington, which performed historically well during the quarter. The excellent performance of these hotels was coupled with significant improvements at two of our hotels and slower to recover urban markets.
David R. Folsom: The excellent performance at these hotels was coupled with significant improvements at two of our hotels in slower-to-recover urban markets, Houston and Atlanta. The return of group and transient corporate travel at these hotels is a positive sign that we have reached a more normalized operating environment, driven by a diverse range of demand. Despite the strong year-over-year occupancy improvement for our portfolio during the quarter, we believe there is still significant opportunity for organic growth, especially given our exposure to several urban markets that have been slower to recover.
David R. Folsom: Houston and Atlanta.
David R. Folsom: Turn of group and transient corporate travel at these hotels is a positive sign that we have reached a more normalized operating environment driven by a diverse range of demand generators.
David R. Folsom: Despite the strong year over year occupancy improvement for our portfolio during the quarter. We believe there is still significant opportunity for organic growth, especially given our exposure to several urban markets that have been slower to recover more than half of our portfolio is still tracking below pre pandemic occupancy levels.
David R. Folsom: More than half of our portfolio is still tracking below pre-pandemic occupancy levels, with our hotels in Atlanta, Houston, and Philadelphia having the most opportunity for improvement moving forward. As mentioned, two of these hotels, the Georgian Terrace and the White Hall in Houston, are making significant headway, penetrating their respective markets during the quarter by driving corporate transient group and association business. As one of our largest assets by historical EBITDA contribution, the Georgian Terrace improvement is an encouraging sign for the company.
David R. Folsom: With our hotels in Atlanta, Houston, and Philadelphia, having the most opportunity for improvement moving forward.
David R. Folsom: As mentioned two of these hotels, the Georgia tariffs and the Whitehall in Houston are making significant headway penetrating their respective markets during the quarter by driving corporate transient group and association business as one of our largest assets by historical EBITDA contribution the Georgia terraces improvement is an encouraging sign for the.
David R. Folsom: Company.
David R. Folsom: After significant challenges coming out of COVID in terms of market headwinds, staffing challenges, and property casualties, we believe this hotel is on the right track with a sustainable strategy that will produce future success. Similar, the White Hall, which is located in the downtown Houston market, is demonstrating signs of progress following a slow growth trajectory coming out of the pandemic.
David R. Folsom: After significant challenges coming out of Covid in terms of market headwinds staffing challenges and property casualties. We believe this hotel is on the right track with a sustainable strategy that will produce future success. Similarly, the Whitehall, which is located in the downtown Houston market is demonstrate demonstrating signs.
David R. Folsom: Progress following a slow growth trajectory coming out of the pandemic.
David R. Folsom: Our Philadelphia Doubletree Hotel is competing well against its competitive set in the Philadelphia Airport sub-market, but that market continues to be challenged with lower air traffic and fewer citywide events than anticipated at the start of this year. Although taking longer than expected, we believe lodging demand in this market, supported by improved business travel, will make a gradual recovery. Group business continued to drive significant growth for our portfolio during the first quarter, with especially strong performances from our Savannah, Wilmington, and Arlington hotels, all of which achieved historical highs in group revenue for the first quarter.
David R. Folsom: Our Philadelphia Doubletree hotel is competing well against its competitive set and the Philadelphia Airport Submarket, but that market continues to be challenged with lower air traffic and less citywide events than anticipated at the start of this year.
David R. Folsom: Although taking longer than expected, we believe lodging demand in this market supported by improved business travel will make a gradual recovery.
David R. Folsom: Group business continue to drive significant growth for our portfolio during the first quarter with especially strong performances from our savanna, Wilmington, and Arlington hotels, all of which achieved historical highs in group revenue for the first quarter, our sales team at the Hyatt centric in Arlington produced 108 <unk>.
David R. Folsom: Our sales team at the Hyatt Centric in Arlington produced 108% year-over-year growth and 81% growth over 2019 for the group segment during the first quarter. The DeSoto and Savannah, meanwhile, grew by 34% over the prior year and 38% over 2019.
David R. Folsom: <unk> year over year growth and 81% growth over 2019 for the group segment during the first quarter. The Desoto in Savannah. Meanwhile grew it grew by 34% over prior year at 33, 8% over 2019 looking at the total portfolio group business.
David R. Folsom: Looking at the total portfolio, group business improved by 19% during the quarter, a testament to the successful sales strategy by our management. The current lending environment, characterized by tight underwriting standards, continues to present challenges for borrowers in the logic sector. As each loan maturity presents unique obstacles, we are conservatively approaching upcoming debt maturities in our portfolio.
David R. Folsom: This improved by 19% during the quarter a testament to the successful sales strategy by our management team.
David R. Folsom: The current lending environment characterized by tight underwriting standards continues to present challenges for borrowers in the logic sector.
David R. Folsom: As each loan maturity presents unique obstacles, we are conservatively approaching upcoming debt maturities in our portfolio. After several months of negotiations with the existing lender for the loan on our Philadelphia Hotel.
David R. Folsom: After several months of negotiations with the existing lender for the loan on our Philadelphia Hotel, last week, we successfully executed an extension on that loan. Given the current lending environment and market-related headwinds in Philadelphia, we view the loan terms as a positive outcome for the company. As Scott mentioned, in tandem with this loan extension, we entered into a new 10-year double-tree franchise agreement with Hilton, aligning ourselves with a strong brand and positioning the hotel for success for the foreseeable future.
David R. Folsom: Last week, we successfully executed an extension on that loan.
David R. Folsom: Given the current lending environment and market related headwinds in Philadelphia, We view the loan terms as a positive outcome for the company as Scott mentioned in tandem with this loan extension, we entered into a new 10 year double tree franchise agreement with Hilton aligning ourselves with a strong brand and positioning the hotel for success for the foreseeable.
David R. Folsom: Future looking ahead, the loan maturity schedule for our portfolio is spread evenly over the next several years with only the loan maturity for our Jackson Hotel Jacksonville hotel upcoming in 2024.
David R. Folsom: Looking ahead, the loan maturity schedule for our portfolio is spread evenly over the next several years, with only the loan maturity for our Jacksonville Hotel upcoming in 2024. Despite the changing expectations regarding the timing of rate cuts, as well as continued economic uncertainty related to persistent inflation, economic fundamentals for the upscale and upper upscale segments that represent our portfolio have demonstrated resilience, with additional growth anticipated for the balance of the year.
David R. Folsom: Despite the changing expectations regarding the timing of rate cuts as well as continued economic uncertainty related to persistent inflation lodging fundamentals for the upscale and upper upscale segments that represent our portfolio have demonstrated resilience with additional growth anticipated for the balance of the year.
David R. Folsom: Urban hotels driven by positive corporate and group travel trends are expected to outperform the broader lodging market. Looking specifically at our portfolio, as of May 1st, our group bookings for the second quarter and for the full year are pacing approximately 7% ahead of last year. Full year 2024 REVPAR is forecasted to range between 104 and 106% of full year 2023 REVPAR, so we remain cautiously optimistic that our portfolio of well-positioned hotels, fueled by growth trends in the group and business transient segments, will continue to deliver strong results for our shareholders. And with that, we'll open the call for questions, Operators.
David R. Folsom: Urban hotels, driven by positive corporate and group travel trends are expected to outperform the broader lodging market looking specifically at our portfolio as of May one our group bookings for the second quarter and for the full year, our pacing approximately 7% of seven.
David R. Folsom: 7% ahead of last year.
David R. Folsom: Full year 2020 for Revpar is forecasted to range between 104, and 106% of full year 2023, Revpar we remain.
David R. Folsom: Cautiously optimistic that our portfolio of well positioned hotels fueled by growth trends in the group and business transient segments will continue to deliver strong results for our shareholders.
Speaker Change: And with that we'll open the call for questions operator.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
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Connor Mitchell: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. You guys mentioned the urban markets maybe taking a little bit longer to recover pre-pandemic levels, occupancy, ADR, etc., and then you touched on a couple of specific markets and how they're improving. But I'm just wondering, is there any specific catalyst for urban markets in general, or maybe more specific catalysts, or do you just think it takes a bit more time for them to fully recapture the activity from pre-pandemic levels?
Connor Mitchell: Hey, good morning, Thanks for taking my question.
Connor Mitchell: You guys mentioned, the urban markets may be taking a little bit longer to to recover the pre pandemic level of occupancy ADR et cetera.
Connor Mitchell: And then you've touched on a couple of specific markets.
Connor Mitchell: They're improving but I was just wondering is there any specific catalysts for the urban markets in general or maybe more specific catalyst or you just think it takes a bit more time.
Connor Mitchell: For them to fully recapture the activity.
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David R. Folsom: Yeah, I think I think the latter part of your comments probably true just taking a little bit of longer time in some of these markets and each one of these markets is simply got a different set of dynamics going on whether it's Atlanta or Philadelphia or Houston, but eventually I think you're what we're seeing is kind of a return to work, dynamic in place at some of these markets and at the same time just a general recovery in business travel that is impacting some of these larger markets. I mean Atlanta and Houston and Philadelphia are all fairly large markets and what we've seen at the urban size, there's no individual catalyst, but at the same time just the basic blocking and tackling of the hotel business. We're just getting more more business travelers and group business coming back to the hotels. You got anything to add, Scott? Yeah, I'll just say
Speaker Change: Yes, I think I'll take the latter part of your comments probably true, it's just taken a little bit longer time in some of these markets and each one of these markets is simply got a different set of dynamics going on whether it's.
Scott: Atlanta, or Philadelphia, or Houston, but eventually I think what we're seeing is kind of a return to work.
Scott: Dynamic in place at some of these markets in the same time, just a general recovery in business travel.
Scott: That is impacting some of these larger markets I mean, Atlanta, and Houston and Philadelphia are all.
Scott: Clearly fairly large markets and what we've seen at the urban size.
David R. Folsom: There is no individual catalyst, but at the same time, just the basic blocking and tackling of the hotel business. We are just getting more and more business travelers and group business coming back to the hotels you got anything to add Scott, Yes, I'll, just say besides BT coming back to the market and returned to office citywide events as a key.
Scott M. Kucinski: Yeah, I'll just say, besides BT coming back to the market and returning to office, citywide events are a key catalyst for those larger urban markets, just creating compression in the marketplace. And, you know, I think that's what we're starting to see in Houston and Atlanta. We're seeing a lot less of it in Philadelphia, and also, with us being out at the airport in Philly, you know, we need a lot of compression in downtown to push out to the airport. But, you know, again, we're seeing those citywide events start to come back in larger format in these markets, which really helps the overall market dynamic.
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Scott M. Kucinski: Yes, I think Thats, what were starting to see in Houston, and Atlanta were seeing a lot less of it in Philadelphia and also us being out of the airport in Philly.
Scott M. Kucinski: We need a lot of compression in downtown to push out to the airport, but again, we're seeing the citywide events start to come back and larger format in these markets, which really helps the overall market dynamics.
Connor Mitchell: Okay, yeah, and then maybe sticking with Philly. He has talked about the improvements that are going to take place. Is that going to be kind of a refresh on just sort of the rooms and some other external items? Or is it going to be more of like a whole repositioning in the market for a more broad transformation? Just kind of trying to get a better sense of what that process is going to look like. Yeah, so it it's.
Scott M. Kucinski: Okay, and then maybe sticking with daily <unk>.
Connor Mitchell: About the.
Connor Mitchell: The improvements that are going to take place is that could it be kind of a refresh on just that.
Connor Mitchell: The rooms.
Connor Mitchell: Some other.
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Connor Mitchell: Items or is it going to be more of like a whole repositioning in the market for a more broad transformation, just kind of trying to get a better sense of.
Connor Mitchell: What that process is going to look like.
Scott M. Kucinski: Yeah, so it's a relicense of Doubletree. We're not changing the flag, so it's more of a refresh than a whole-scale repositioning, but it is a full renovation. Pretty much every bit of FF&E in the building will be replaced over the course of a 24-month period, and I will say that the hotel is in need of it, so it will be a fairly dramatic transformation once we get the new FF&E in there.
Connor Mitchell: Yes.
Connor Mitchell: Realizes a doubletree, we're not changing the flag so it's more of a refresh than a whole scale repositioning.
Scott M. Kucinski: But it is a full renovation pretty much every bit of M&A and the building will be replaced over the course of the 24 month period.
Scott M. Kucinski: And I will say that the hotel is in need of it. So it will be a fairly dramatic transformation. Once we get the new F&B and there does the product. It has been fairly dated certainly written naphtha lifecycle. So it will be transformative in that in that sense, but theres not going to be a major repositioning of the asset is going to be.
Scott M. Kucinski: The product has been fairly dated. It's certainly written out its life cycle, so it will be transformative in that sense, but there's not going to be a major repositioning after that. It's going to be kind of a newly refreshed Double Tree, you know, product once we're done.
Scott M. Kucinski: Kind of a newly refreshed.
Scott M. Kucinski: Doubletree product once we're done.
Connor Mitchell: Okay, appreciate that. And then earlier in the comments, I think you guys mentioned that the drop in ADR was mostly due to South Florida properties. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was just wondering if you could go into a little bit more detail on what may have occurred there or what you see going forward regarding those properties or whether there's going to be some more fluctuation in the ADR along with maybe some expected increase in occupancy.
Speaker Change: Okay I appreciate that.
Scott M. Kucinski: And then earlier in the comments I think you guys mentioned that the.
Connor Mitchell: The drop in ADR was mostly due to the South Florida properties correct me, if I'm wrong, but I was just wondering if you could go into a little bit more detail on.
Connor Mitchell: On what may have occurred there or what you see going forward.
Connor Mitchell: Regarding those properties or whether theres going to be some more fluctuation.
Connor Mitchell: And the ADR along with.
Connor Mitchell: Maybe some expected increase in occupancy.
Speaker Change: Yes, it really was.
Scott M. Kucinski: Yeah, it really was solely tied to South Florida. And I think, you know, we're not alone in that. I think a lot of our peers are seeing the same thing in South Florida. And it really ties to the leisure traveler and what happened in that market, those markets coming out of COVID, right? I mean, South Florida was essentially the first lodging market in the US to recover coming out of COVID very quickly. Obviously, the government in Florida did a good job of opening the doors.
Scott M. Kucinski: Todd in South, Florida, and I think we're not alone in that and that commentary I think a lot of our peers are seeing the same thing in south, Florida, and it really ties to the leisure traveler and what occurred in that market those markets coming out of Covid vitamin South Florida was essentially the first market lodging market in the U S to recover coming out of Covid very quick.
Scott M. Kucinski: Obviously, the government and Florida did a good job of opening the doors and as soon as people were ready to travel. We just saw a massive influx of leisure travel to that market. So we had a period of very high demand very high rates.
Scott M. Kucinski: And as soon as people were ready to travel, we just saw a massive influx of leisure travelers into that market. So we had a period of, you know, very high demand and very high rates. And now that's starting to taper off, you're seeing people not travel quite as much for leisure; you're seeing people predominantly start traveling, taking the opportunity to make their leisure travel go overseas or somewhere else. So we're just seeing a bit of a cooling off in demand in the marketplace compared to where we have been for the past, you know, two plus years coming out of COVID.
Scott M. Kucinski: And now that's starting to taper off Youre seeing people not travel quite as much on leisure youre seeing people predominantly start traveling taken the opportunity to make their leisure travel go overseas or somewhere else. So we're just seeing a bit of a cooling off in demand in the marketplace compared to where we have been for the past two plus years coming out of Covid.
Scott M. Kucinski: So rates rates are We're starting to see some pricing sensitivity from those leisure consumers, the nuts and bolts of it. But we don't see it declining substantially from here. You know, we're seeing it's fairly stabilized, but it's certainly taken a step back from a rate perspective compared to where we were coming out of COVID.
Scott M. Kucinski: So rates rates are.
Scott M. Kucinski: We're starting to see some pricing sensitivity from this leisure consumers.
Speaker Change: That's it.
Scott M. Kucinski: The nuts and bolts of it but.
Scott M. Kucinski: We don't see it declining substantially from here, we're seeing it's fairly stabilized, but it's certainly taken a step back from a rate perspective, compared to where we were coming out of COVID-19.
Connor Mitchell: Okay, I think that covers it for me. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Okay I think that covers it for me. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you Sean.
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Speaker Change: As a reminder, I'll ask a question. Please press star Pittsburgh Guan. Thank you Pat.
David R. Folsom: Okay. We have no further questions. So I'll now hand, it back to Dave.
David R. Folsom: From Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks.
David R. Folsom: Thank you everyone for joining us on our call today, and we look forward to speaking with everyone in the next quarter. Thank you, operator.
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