Q1 2024 Beacon Roofing Supply Inc Earnings Call
Joel: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Beacon first quarter 2024 earnings call. My name is Joel, and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode.
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Binit Sanghvi: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience again welcome to today's <unk> first quarter 2024 earnings call I would now like to hand, the call over to Ben It's ANZ with Beacon you May proceed.
Joel: Trey Grooms, Kathryn Thompson, Stanley Elliott, Michael Rehaut, Frank Lonegro, David MacGregor, Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience. Again, welcome to today's Beacon First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. I would now like to hand the call over to Binit Sanghvi with Beacon. You may proceed. Thank you, Jill. Good evening, everybody.
Binit Sanghvi: And as always, we thank you for taking the time to join our call. Today, I'm joined by Julian Francis, our Chief Executive Officer, and Carmelo Carrubba, Beacon's Interim Chief Financial Officer. Julian and Carmelo will begin today's call with prepared remarks that will follow the slide deck posted to the Investor Relations section of Beacon's website.
Binit Sanghvi: Thank you Joe and good evening, everybody and as always we thank you for taking the time to join our call.
Binit Sanghvi: Today Im joined by Julian Francis Our Chief Executive Officer, Carmelo, Carrubba Beacons interim Chief Financial Officer.
Binit Sanghvi: Julian and Carmelo will begin today's call with prepared remarks that will follow the slide deck posted to the Investor Relations section of <unk> website.
Speaker Change: So that we will open the call for questions before we begin please reference slide two for a couple of brief reminders first this call will contain forward looking statements about the companys plans and objectives and future performance.
Binit Sanghvi: After that, we will open the call for questions. Before we begin, please refer to slide two for a couple of brief reminders. First, this call will contain forward-looking statements about the company's plans and objectives and future performance. Forward-looking statements can be identified because they do not always relate strictly to historic or current facts and use words such as anticipate, estimate, expect, believe, and other words of similar meaning.
Binit Sanghvi: Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including but not limited to those set forth in the risk factors section of the company's 2023 form. Second, the forward-looking statements contained in this call are based on information as of today, May 2, 2024, and, except as required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward-looking statements. And finally, this call will contain references to certain non-GAAP measures.
Binit Sanghvi: Forward looking statements can be identified because they are not always relate strictly to historical or current facts and use words, such as anticipate estimate.
Binit Sanghvi: <unk> believe in other words of similar meaning actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward looking statements as a result of important various important factors, including but not limited to those set forth in the risk factors section of the company's 2023 Form 10-K.
Binit Sanghvi: Second the forward looking statements contained in this call are based on information as of today May <unk> 2024, and except as required by law. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward looking statements and finally this call will contain references to certain non-GAAP measures. The reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures.
Binit Sanghvi: As set forth in today's press release, and the appendix to the presentation accompanying this call.
Binit Sanghvi: This release and the presentation are available on our website at <unk> CN.
Binit Sanghvi: <unk> Dot com.
Binit Sanghvi: The reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is set forth in today's press release and the appendix to the presentation accompanying this call. Both the press release and the presentation are available on our website at CNN.com. Now, we'll begin with opening remarks from Julian. Thanks, Binit, and good afternoon everyone.
Binit Sanghvi: Now, let's begin with opening remarks from Julien.
Julian G. Francis: We are beginning on slide four. The team executed well to start the year, delivering record first quarter sales. Once again, we demonstrated that our Ambition 2025 plan has created multiple paths for us to grow. Sales increased by more than 10%, with all three lines of business posting growth year over year. This was slightly higher than expected and is indicative of a supportive market environment. Non-discretionary repair and re-roofing demand continues to underpin the need for our products and services. Acquired and Greenfield branch locations contributed more than 5% of growth in the first quarter.
Julian: Thanks, Bennett and good afternoon, everyone.
Julian G. Francis: Beginning on slide four.
Julian G. Francis: The team executed well to start the year delivering record first quarter sales. Once again, we demonstrated that our ambition 2025 plan has created multiple paths for us to grow.
Julian G. Francis: Sales increased by more than 10% with all three lines of business posting growth year over year. This was slightly higher than expected and is indicative of a supportive market environment.
Julian G. Francis: Non discretionary repair and re roofing demand continues to underpin the need for our products and services.
Julian G. Francis: Acquired and Greenfield branch locations contributed more than 5% growth in the first quarter.
Julian G. Francis: Our strategy to grow in any environment is proven, and we have recorded 15 consecutive quarters of year-over-year sales growth. This is because we continue to add value to our customers, enhancing our service proposition and allowing them to maximize the productivity of their scarcest resource, labor. Our gross margin came in at 24.7%, approximately 80 basis points below the first quarter of last year but above the guidance of 24.5% that we provided on our fourth quarter call.
Julian G. Francis: Our strategy to grow in any environment is proven and we have recorded 15 consecutive quarters of year over year sales growth.
Julian G. Francis: This is because we continue to add value to our customers enhancing our service proposition and allowing them to maximize the productivity of the scarce resource labor.
Julian G. Francis: Our gross margin came in at 24, 7% approximately 80 basis points below the first quarter of last year, but above the guidance of 24, 5% that we provided on our fourth quarter call.
Julian G. Francis: In February, we highlighted the expected impact to both the gross margin and OPEX of recent greenfield additions and M&A that are not yet fully mature. As a reminder, this reflects 21 acquired branches and 28 newly opened locations over the last 12 months through March 31st. Our dedicated teams have been executing at a high level since we announced our Ambition 2025 plan two years ago, and I'm pleased to say that both our acquired and greenfield portfolios are performing better than expected and creating value for our shareholders, which I will comment on more later in the call.
Julian G. Francis: In February we highlighted the expected impact to both the gross margin and Opex of recent Greenfield additions and M&A that are not yet fully mature.
Julian G. Francis: As a reminder, this reflects 21 acquired branches in 2008 newly opened locations over the last 12 months through March 31.
Julian G. Francis: Our dedicated teams have been executing at a high level since we announced our ambition 2025 plan two years ago and I am pleased to say that both of our acquired and Greenfield portfolios are performing better than expected and creating value for our shareholders, which I will comment on more later in the call.
Julian G. Francis: We continue to invest in future growth and expand our footprint. Year-to-date, we opened five new greenfield sites and have made four acquisitions, significantly enhancing our customer service and reach. We took an important step yesterday, adding to our rapidly growing nationwide waterproofing platform with the acquisition of Smalley & Company, an industry leader in both new construction and restoration markets. Headquartered in Denver, Smalley has 11 locations throughout Colorado, Arizona, California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.
Julian G. Francis: We continue to invest in future growth and expand our footprint year to date, we opened five greenfield and they've made four acquisitions significantly enhancing our customer service and reach.
Julian G. Francis: Took an important step yesterday, adding to our rapidly growing nationwide waterproofing platform with the acquisition of smaller <unk> company and industry leader in both new construction and restoration markets.
Julian G. Francis: Headquartered in Denver, small used 11 locations throughout Colorado, Arizona, California, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah since $19 67. This small team has built a track record of providing value added technical knowhow and waterproofing solutions to contractors.
Julian G. Francis: Since 1967, the Smalley team has built a track record of providing value-added technical know-how in waterproofing solutions to contractors. As we enter a key part of the construction season, our team members are well positioned to provide our customers the high caliber of service they expect. We're investing in improving our operations, delivering results today, while also preparing for the future, including investments in our leading digital platform, private label offering, commercial acceleration initiatives, and our pricing model. Coming into the year, we said that residential re-roofing market demand would be lower, driven by our assumption that storm activity would revert to the 10-year average.
Julian G. Francis: As we enter a key part of the construction season, our team members are well positioned to provide our customers. The high caliber of service. They expect we're investing in improving our operations delivering results today, while also preparing for the future including investments in our leading digital platform private label offering commercial acceleration initiatives.
Julian G. Francis: Our pricing model.
Julian G. Francis: Coming into the year, we said that residential re roofing market demand would be low of driven by our assumption that storm activity would revert to the 10 year average at the same time non storm repair and re roofing will grow as the number of older roofs grows and we also expected new residential construction to improve over last year.
Julian G. Francis: At the same time, non-storm repair and re-roofing will grow as the number of older roofs grows, and we also expected new residential construction to improve over last year. Regarding commercial roofing, we said that there would be a contraction in install activity in the first half of the year based on the architectural billing index, but that our volume would grow because of last year's destocking. In summary, the fundamentals of end market demand have performed as we expected, and our team has executed well. Now, please turn to page 5 of the deck.
Julian G. Francis: Regarding commercial roofing, we said that there will be a contraction and install activity in the first half of the year based on the architectural billing index, but our volume would grow because of last year's Destocking.
Julian G. Francis: In summary, the fundamentals of end market demand has performed as we expected and our team has executed well.
Julian G. Francis: Now please turn to page five of the deck.
Julian G. Francis: Two years ago, we laid out our target to build a great organization, drive above-market growth, deliver consistent double-digit adjusted EBITDA margins, and generate superior shareholder returns. Creating value for our customers is central to achieving these goals, and our team is relentlessly focused on doing that every day. Let me provide you with an update on our strategic initiatives, starting with how we are building a winning culture. One of our core values is to make every day safer.
Julian G. Francis: Two years ago, we laid out our targets to build a great organization drive above market growth deliver consistent double digit adjusted EBITDA margins and generate superior shareholder returns create.
Julian G. Francis: Creating value for our customers is central to achieving these goals and our team is relentlessly focused on doing that everyday.
Julian G. Francis: Let me provide you with an update on our strategic initiatives starting with how we are building a winning culture.
Julian G. Francis: One of our core values is to make everyday safer and as you may recall from prior calls newer employees are at greater risk of enduring themselves in March we held our annual company wide safety stand down and which all of our branches and 8000 employees paused and recommitted to making everyday safer with a focus this year on <unk>.
Julian G. Francis: And as you may recall from prior calls, newer employees are at greater risk of injuring themselves. In March, we held our annual company-wide safety stand-down, in which all of our branches and 8,000 employees paused and recommitted to making every day safer, with a focus this year on strains and sprains. We will continue to emphasize the importance of stretching and lifting safely, as well as using innovative tools and techniques to reduce injury.
Julian G. Francis: Rains in the spring, we will continue to emphasize the importance of stretching and lifting safely as well as using innovative tools and techniques to reduce injuries. We.
Julian G. Francis: We have set a goal to reduce sprains and strain injuries occurring amongst our newest employees by 50% this year. We have also begun piloting AI-enabled dashcams in our fleet to further influence safe driving behavior. These cameras use technology to continuously analyze road and cab conditions, helping drivers reduce unsafe practices.
Julian G. Francis: We have set a goal to reduce sprained strain injuries occurring amongst our newest employees by 50% this year.
Julian G. Francis: We have also begun piloting AI enabled dash cams and our fleet to further influence safe driving behavior.
Julian G. Francis: These cameras used technology to continuously analyze road in cab conditions, helping drivers reduce unsafe practices by flagging. These types of behaviors in real time, and providing alerts and warnings drivers and fleet managers have another tool to prevent accidents.
Julian G. Francis: By flagging these types of behaviors in real time and providing alerts and warnings, drivers and fleet managers have another tool to prevent accidents. Another of our core values is to put people first, and in February, we held our inaugural Women's Summit, bringing together female leaders from across the organization in a forum to learn and network. This event and our sponsorship of National Women in Roofing will foster a more diverse and inclusive culture and help us to compete for, hire, retain, and develop the best talent in the industry.
Julian G. Francis: Another of our core values is to put people first and in February we held our inaugural women's summit, bringing together female leaders from across the organization in a forum to learn and network. This event and our sponsorship those national women in roofing will foster a more diverse and inclusive culture and help us to compete for higher.
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Julian G. Francis: A second pillar is driving growth above market and enhancing margins through a set of targeted initiatives. Expanding our customer reach continues to be a major lever in our growth plans, including our investments in greenfields and acquisitions. Our dedicated Greenfield team continues to execute on our pipeline of new locations, and we have opened five branches year-to-date.
Julian G. Francis: Our second pillar is driving growth above market and enhancing margins through a set of targeted initiatives.
Julian G. Francis: Expanding our customer reach continues to be a major lever in our growth plans, including our investments in Greenfields and acquisitions.
Julian G. Francis: Our dedicated Greenfield team continues to execute execute on our pipeline of new locations and we have opened five branches year to date.
Julian G. Francis: Each time we add a new branch, we add sales resources and reduce the average distance and time it takes us to reach our customers. This enhances our overall value proposition, giving us the opportunity to earn market share. We have now opened 50 new branches since the beginning of 2022, exceeding our original Ambition 25 goal of 40 total. On acquisitions, we discussed our purchase of Smalley earlier, and we highlighted the acquisition of Rufus Supply of Greenville and of Metro Sealants on our call in February. We also acquired General Siding Supply in April, strengthening our complementary building product offering and adding locations in the Midwest, including Omaha and the surrounding areas.
Julian G. Francis: Each time, we added new branch, we had sales resources and reduce the average distance and time it takes us to reach our customers.
Julian G. Francis: This enhances our overall value proposition, giving us the opportunity to earn market share we.
Julian G. Francis: We have now opened 50, new branches since the beginning of 2022 exceeding our original ambition 25 go to 40 total.
Julian G. Francis: On acquisitions, we discussed up purchases of small Elia and we highlighted the acquisition of roofing supply of Greenville, and a metro sealants on our call in February we have also acquired general siding supply in April strengthening our complementary building product offering and adding locations in the Midwest, including Omaha and the surrounding areas.
Julian G. Francis: Since announcing our Ambition 2025 plan, we have acquired 18 companies, adding 66 branches to date. In total, we have deployed approximately $640 million in capital towards these acquisitions, adding base year revenue of more than $750 million. Our online capability continues to be a clear competitive advantage for Beacon, and sales through our digital platform increase customer loyalty, generates larger basket sizes, and enhances margin by 150 basis points when compared to offline channels.
Julian G. Francis: Since announcing our ambition 2025 plan, we have acquired 18 companies, adding 66 branches to date.
Julian G. Francis: In total we have deployed approximately $640 million in capital towards these acquisitions, adding base year revenue of more than $750 million.
Julian G. Francis: Our online capability continues to be a clear competitive advantage for beacon and sales through our digital platform increases customer loyalty generates larger basket sizes and enhances margin by 150 basis points when compared to offline channels.
Julian G. Francis: In the first quarter, we grew digital sales nearly 28% year over year. Digital sales to our residential customers were a highlight, as we achieved our highest quarterly adoption ever at 23%, close to our ambition 2025 target of 25%. We have plans to build on our digital leadership by continuing to invest in this area to differentiate ourselves and build upon our competitive advantage. Commercial roofing is one of the key growth initiatives of our Ambition 2025 plan. In the last year, we launched our commercial acceleration initiative in pilot markets. We gathered best practices from our top performing commercial locations and are systematically replicating them throughout the organization.
Julian G. Francis: In the first quarter, we grew digital sales nearly 28% year over year.
Julian G. Francis: Digital sales to our residential customers were a highlight as we achieved our highest quarterly adoption ever at 23% close to our ambition 2025 target of 25%.
Julian G. Francis: We have plans to build on our digital leadership by continuing to invest in this area to differentiate ourselves and build upon our competitive advantage.
Julian G. Francis: Commercial roofing is one of the key growth initiatives of our ambition 2025 plan.
Julian G. Francis: In the last year, we launched our commercial acceleration initiatives in pilot markets.
Julian G. Francis: We gathered best practices from our top performing commercial locations and our system magically replicating them throughout the organization and.
Julian G. Francis: I'm happy to report that where we have adopted these practices, we are seeing both market growth. We have plans to extend this program through the year, touching the top 20 commercial roofing markets. Furthermore, we have a full line of products for our commercial customers, and insulation is a growing part of the commercial roofing system. Building codes and a focus on sustainability have increased the amounts of insulation required for the typical roofing job.
Julian G. Francis: Im happy to report that where we have adopted these practices, we are seeing above market growth.
Julian G. Francis: We have plans to extend this program through the year touching the top 20 commercial roofing markets.
Julian G. Francis: Furthermore, we have a full line of products for our commercial customers and installation is a growing part of the commercial roofing system.
Julian G. Francis: Evolving business building codes and a focus on sustainability has increased the amounts of installation required for the typical roofing job.
Julian G. Francis: At the same time, our customers have come to rely on the quality of our private label Tribal branded products to grow their business, so I'm pleased to announce that TreyBuilt ISO is the newest addition to our expanding commercial product line. TreyBuilt ISO is a professional-grade roof insulation designed to meet the specifications of a diverse range of commercial roofing systems.
Julian G. Francis: At the same time, our customers have come to rely on the quality of our private label <unk> branded products to grow their business. So I am pleased to announce that <unk>. ISO is the newest addition to our expanding commercial product lines.
Julian G. Francis: <unk> is a professional grade roof installation designed to meet the specifications of the diverse range of commercial roofing systems, not only does it offer energy efficiency, but also benefits our contractor and building owner customers.
Julian G. Francis: Not only does it offer energy efficiency, but it also benefits our contractor and building owner customers. The eco-friendly features make it a sustainable choice for our customers' projects, and our customers have come to rely on Tri-Built products. We will continue to support them through our expanding catalog of product offerings. Our third pillar involves driving operational excellence through continuous improvement initiatives. And let me give you an update on the rollout of our pricing model. This is much more than just pricing an individual product. It involves strategy, goals, and positioning, as well as governance, tools, and processes.
Julian G. Francis: Its eco friendly features make it a sustainable choice for our customers projects and our customers have come to rely on Drybulk products. We will continue to support them through our expanding Catholic catalog of product offerings.
Julian G. Francis: And most importantly, it is not just a new system but a fundamental shift in our approach and a new way of thinking that is supported by technology. I'm pleased to say that our initial pilot results are delivering on our Ambition 2025 expectations of achieving a 50-basis point lift in March. We're still early in migrating our branches, but I'm confident that the new system will elevate Beacon's competitive edge and help us respond to market dynamics and structurally improve performance. Let me also take a minute to talk a little bit about how our new Fleet Telematics software will improve efficiency. Leveraging this technology enables real-time fleet monitoring from heart-breaking to speeding and idling.
Julian G. Francis: Im pleased to say that our initial pilot results deliver.
Julian G. Francis: We're still early in migrating our branches, but I'm confident that the new system will elevate beacons competitive edge and help us respond to market dynamics and structurally improved performance.
Speaker Change: Let me also take a minute.
Julian G. Francis: The resulting data enables improvement in fleet operations, including route optimization, reduction in fuel usage, and a reduction in emissions. And fourth, let's review how we're creating shareholder value. As mentioned earlier, we have acquired 18 companies and opened 66 branches since the beginning of 2022. Our dedicated M&A team is executing at a high level and exceeding our original target. I'm happy to report that our disciplined approach is paying off, and the acquisition portfolio is performing above our growth expectations.
Julian G. Francis: And emissions.
Julian G. Francis: And fourth let's review, how we're creating shareholder value.
Julian G. Francis: Our actual sales for the acquired branches exceeded our performers by more than 10%. Through strong employee retention and talent development and faster closing and integration, we are becoming an acquirer of choice, which will continue to provide a pipeline of value-creating opportunities going forward. Next, we took advantage of a window of opportunity to refinance our term loan, reducing the interest rate spread. The favorable market was due in part to economic factors, and we'd also received an upgrade from one of our credit rating agencies.
Julian G. Francis: As a result, we were able to reduce pricing by more than 65 basis points on our $975 million outstanding Term Loan B, saving more than $25 million in cash interest over the remaining four-year life of the loan, and generating additional free cash flow per share.
Julian G. Francis: And lastly, although there were no share repurchases in the first quarter of this year, we remain committed to shareholder returns and are evaluating the timing and amounts of additional buybacks. As a reminder, we have approximately $390 million in remaining authorization granted by our board in February of last year. In summary, we're off to a good start to the year, and the market is developing at least as well as we anticipated. Now, let me pass it over to Carmelo for more details on the quarter. Thanks, Julian. And good evening, everyone.
Carmelo Carrubba: Turning to slide seven, we achieved over $1.9 billion in total net sales in the first quarter, up more than 10% year-over-year, primarily driven by organic volume growth as well as contributions from acquisitions. In the aggregate, average selling prices for our products were slightly positive year-over-year. Organic volumes, including greenfield, increased approximately 6-7%, while overall prices contributed less than 1%. As we discussed, our acquisition portfolio is performing well, and branches acquired over the last 12 months contributed more than 3% to daily net sales year over year. Residential roofing sales were higher by more than 9% as volumes were driven by resilient underlying repair and remodeled demand combined with higher prices in the low single-digit range.
Carmelo Carrubba: Resi volumes in the quarter were strong, and adjusting for channel restocking, we estimate that we grew in line with the market. We continue to see improvement in demand from new residential construction, in particular single-family home buildings. Non-residential sales increased nearly 18% on solid R&R activity and de-stocking at our customer level that we experienced in the prior year period. And while prices declined in the mid-single digits year-over-year from a high comparable, they remained stable on a sequential basis.
Carmelo Carrubba: Bidding and quoting remains at healthy levels, which we expect will also be supportive of prices, and we also see a continued shift from new construction to repair and re-roofing activity as the year progresses. Complementary sales increased by more than 5% year over year as our specialty waterproofing platform continues to grow. However, lower volume of siding products partially offset the growth; selling prices were stable year over year.
Carmelo Carrubba: Please keep in mind that our complementary product category now has approximately 70% residential and 30% non-residential exposure. Turning to slide 8, we'll review gross margin and operating expense. Rosmargin was 24.7% in the first quarter, down approximately 80 basis points, year over year, but higher than our expectations and solidly above pre-COVID Q1 gross margin levels. However, slightly positive average selling prices were more than offset by higher product costs, especially in the non-residential line of business.
Carmelo Carrubba: Price-cost was down approximately 40 basis points year-over-year, and line-of-business mix also contributed to the decline in gross margin percent. And, as we mentioned, new greenfield locations and the M&A we've conducted in the past year have yet to be fully synergized and were dilutive as a percentage of sales. Higher digital and private label sales partially offset the decline.
Carmelo Carrubba: Adjusted OPEX was $404 million, an increase of $47 million compared to the prior year quarter. Adjusted OPEX as a percentage of sales increased to 21.1%, or up 50 basis points year over year. The change in adjusted OPEX was driven primarily by expenses associated with acquired and greenfield brands, which contributed approximately $22 million of the increase. Additionally, additional accounts in our existing branches, year over year, also contributed to the increase. You will recall from our call in February that given the tight labor markets, we consciously made an effort to ensure that we are properly staffed to meet the ramping seasonal activity and provide the high level of service our customers expect. Inflationary wages and benefits, as well as rents, have also contributed to the increase in adjusted offers.
Carmelo Carrubba: We continue to focus on productivity initiatives with the goal of offsetting this inflationary pressure, and we have completed diagnostics on improvement and improvement plans for our bottom quintile class of 2024. This initiative has contributed to the bottom line for many years and is already showing favorable results in 2024. Investments in Ambition 2025 Priorities to Drive Above-Market Growth and Margin Enhancement continued in the quarter. These investments include initiatives related to our sales organization, customer experience, pricing tools, e-commerce technologies, and branch optimization. Turning to slide 9, operating cash flow was negative $141 million in the quarter.
Carmelo Carrubba: Investments in ambition 2025 priorities to drive above market growth and margin enhancement continued in the quarter. These.
Carmelo Carrubba: These investments include initiatives related to our sales organization customer experience pricing tools ecommerce technologies and branch optimization.
Carmelo Carrubba: Turning to slide nine.
Carmelo Carrubba: Operating cash flow was negative $141 million in the quarter, given the seasonal pattern of working capital needs in our business. We typically use cash in the first half of the year and generate cash in the second half of the year.
Carmelo Carrubba: Given the seasonal pattern of working capital needs in our business, we typically use cash in the first half of the year and generate cash in the second half of the year. Net inventory is $245 million higher compared to the end of the first quarter of 2023. To ensure that we have adequate product for the demand ramp and in advance of the manufacturing price increase. Higher inventory year-over-year is also attributable to inventory acquired through M&A and to support green initiatives. Net debt leverage stood at 2.7 times as of the end of March, well within our stated target range of 2 to 3 times EBITDA.
Carmelo Carrubba: Net inventory is $245 million higher compared to the end of the first quarter of 2023 to ensure that we have adequate product for the demand ramp and in advance of the manufacturing price increases.
Carmelo Carrubba: Higher inventory year over year is also attributable to inventory acquired through M&A and to support Greenfield.
Carmelo Carrubba: As Julian mentioned, in March, we took advantage of the opportunity to reprice and refinance our term loans. At the same time, Moody's upgraded our long-term credit rating one notch, which will improve our access to capital and lower our overall cost of debt going forward. Given the strong demand, we decided to upsize and raise an incremental $300 million. The additional funds were used to pay down a portion of our revolving line of credit balance, which provided us with approximately $1.3 billion in liquidity at quarter end.
Carmelo Carrubba: At the same time Moodys upgraded our long term credit rating, one notch, which will improve our access to capital and lower our overall cost of debt going forward.
Carmelo Carrubba: Given the strong demand, we decided to upsize and raise an incremental 300 million dollar. The additional funds were used to pay down a portion of our revolving line of credit balance, which provided us with a property approximately $1 3 billion in liquidity at the quarter end.
Carmelo Carrubba: We continue to balance our capital allocation between organic and inorganic growth opportunities as well as shareholder returns. Our ability to invest in value-creating acquisitions is underpinned by our ample balance sheet capacity and liquidity. We're also investing record amounts in our business and expect to deploy approximately $125 million in capital expenditures during the full year 2024. This includes not only the investments in the greenfields already discussed but also the upgrading of our fleet and facilities, as well as building out the technology tools that will benefit us in 2024 and beyond.
Carmelo Carrubba: We continue to balance our capital allocation between organic and inorganic growth opportunities as well our shareholder returns and our ability to invest in value, creating acquisitions is underpinned by our ample balance sheet capacity and liquidity.
Carmelo Carrubba: Benefit us in 2024 and beyond.
Carmelo Carrubba: To wrap up, we are very pleased about the performance in the first quarter. We have significant momentum, and we are well positioned to realize our objectives by continuing the disciplined execution of our strategic priorities as we enter the most important part of the year. Now, I turn the call back to Julian for his closing remarks. Thanks, Carmelo. Please turn to page 11 of the slide materials.
Julian G. Francis: Before we head to Q&A, I'd like to update you on our expectations for the remainder of 2024. We continue to believe that non-discretionary residential market demand will be lower, driven by lower storm demand year over year, which at this point appears to be on track to meet our assumptions of the 10-year average. We believe non-storm-related demand will be higher in both new construction and aged replacement, despite the higher interest rate.
Julian G. Francis: In our commercial roofing business, we see sentiment improving, but the architectural billing index remains below 50, indicating contraction in activity. However, our volumes are expected to be higher year over year as we overcome the contractor destocking effect that impacted us last year. For the second quarter, we expect total sales growth to be in the high single-digit range year over year, in line with the April sales growth of 7% per day. We announced a shingle price increase effective April 1st, corresponding to the manufacturers' announcement. Our team is executing with discipline, and realization will be determined by local market conditions.
Julian G. Francis: As a result, we expect gross margins to be in the 26% range, higher than in our first quarter and the prior year, and including inventory profits. Operating expenses as a percentage of sales are expected to increase year over year, largely attributable to the higher expenses related to headcount from greenfields and acquired branches.
Julian G. Francis: We expect adjusted operating expenses as a percentage of sales to be modestly higher than the second quarter of last year. Our full-year net sales expectation is for growth in the mid-single-digit range, including acquisitions announced year-to-date. On gross margin, we continue to expect structural improvements from our initiatives, including higher private label and digital sales, to be somewhat offset by higher non-residential mix relative to last year. However, it is important to note that we expect price costs to be neutral, resulting in a full year gross margin percentage in the mid 25% range.
Julian G. Francis: We are raising our full-year adjusted EBITDA expectations to be between $930 million and $990 million, inclusive of recently acquired business. Meeting our customers' needs when and where they need our services is our priority. However, near-term cash flow will continue to depend on the seasonal working capital requirement.
Julian G. Francis: We are raising our full year adjusted EBITDA expectations to be between $930 million $990 million inclusive of recently acquired businesses.
Julian G. Francis: Meeting, our customers' needs when and where they need our services is our priority.
Julian G. Francis: Near term cash flow will continue to depend on the seasonal working capital requirements for the full year, though we expect to convert about 50% of adjusted EBITDA to free cash.
Julian G. Francis: For the full year, though, we expect to convert above 50% of adjusted EBITDA to free cash. Our focus will remain on the areas within our control, including enhancing our customer experience, pricing, and daily execution on safety, service, and efficiency. We will continue to deploy capital on initiatives that we expect will result in accelerated growth, including executing on our robust pipeline of acquisitions and delivering on a target of 25 greenfield locations for 2024, as well as investing in our branches to improve their quality for our customers and our employees. We will continue to be committed to generating returns for our shareholders, and we will be balancing growth investments with share repurchases.
Julian G. Francis: Our focus will remain on the areas within our control, including enhancing our customer experience pricing and daily execution on safety service and efficiency.
Julian G. Francis: We will continue to deploy capital on initiatives that we expect will result in accelerated growth, including executing on a robust pipeline of acquisitions and delivering on our target of 25 Greenfield locations for 2024 as well as investing in our branches to improve their quality for our customers and our employees.
Julian G. Francis: And when we and we continue to be committed to generating returns for our shareholders and we will be balancing growth investments with share repurchases.
Julian G. Francis: In summary, we are well positioned to outperform the market in any demand environment, creating value for all our stakeholders. We are looking forward to the rest of 2024 and helping our customers build more as we enter a key part of the construction. Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone telephone.
Julian G. Francis: In summary, we are well positioned to outperform the market in any demand environment, creating value for all our stakeholders.
Julian G. Francis: We're looking forward to the rest of 2024 and helping our customers build more as we enter a key part of the construction season.
Speaker Change: And with that Joe we will open it up for questions.
Joel: If your question has already been answered, or you wish to withdraw your question, please dial star. Please note, each caller is limited to one question. The first question is from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open. Hey, good afternoon.
Speaker Change: Absolutely, ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question. Please press star followed by one on your Touchtone telephone.
Kathryn Ingram Thompson: If your question has already been answered or you wish to withdraw your question. Please dial star two.
Kathryn Ingram Thompson: Please note each caller is limited to one question.
Joel: The first question is from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open.
Joel: Yeah.
Brian Biros: This is Executive Brian Biros, on for Kat. I just want to ask about the non-risk sales, they're probably stronger than expected. Trey Grooms, Kathryn Thompson, Stanley Elliott, Michael Rehaut, Frank Lonegro, David Manthey, There is demand out there currently that allows you to grow. Transcripts provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC.
Joel: Hey, good afternoon, it's actually Brian Biros on for Catherine. Thank you for taking my question.
Brian Biros: Yes, I just wanted to ask on the on the non risk sales, where they are probably stronger than expected a little bit.
Brian Biros: Opposite from the general headlines that nonresident were all at the moment you touched on the things.
Brian Biros: Why you guys are performing well the destocking comp and just the demand out there currently that allowed you to grow kind of when the industry was contracting overall I guess can you just put a little more color around your outlook for non res here going forward and that kind of double digit growth number continue for the rest of the year I know you kind of mentioned growth in there, but maybe framing this.
Julian G. Francis: And that's kind of double digit growth number will continue for the rest of the year. I know you kind of mentioned growth from there, maybe framing the size.
Speaker Change: Size is there anything else to consider in the comps for this year would be helpful. Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: Is there anything else to consider in the comments? Thanks, Brian. So, Yeah, we were pleasantly surprised by activity in the commercial arena in the first quarter. The first quarter is never a complete indicator for the full year, but the de-stocking that we saw last year, obviously, we anticipated seeing growth. I would tell you that the overall market sentiment is probably better than we anticipated coming into the year. We had indicated that we believed that the overall market, the installed market, would be down.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Brian.
Julian G. Francis: So yes, we were pleasantly surprised by activity in the commercial arena in the first quarter.
Julian G. Francis: I was.
Julian G. Francis: First quarter is never total indicator for the full year, but.
Julian G. Francis: The Destocking that we saw last year, obviously, we anticipated seeing growth I would tell you that the overall market sentiment is probably better than we anticipated.
Julian G. Francis: Coming into the year.
Julian G. Francis: We had indicated that we believe that the overall market the install market will be down we've outperformed because of Destocking last year, but I would tell you that I think that we see probably more positive.
Julian G. Francis: We outperformed because of de-stocking last year, but I would tell you that I think that we see probably more positive sentiment in the market despite the fact that the index that we track, the architectural billion index, ABI, is still below 50. I would tell you that sentiment feels a little better than that in the marketplace. You know, we think that the destocking was largely completed in the first half of last year.
Julian G. Francis: Sentiment in the market despite the fact that.
Julian G. Francis: The index that we track the architectural billing index Abi is still below 50, I'll tell you the sentiment feels a little better than that in the marketplace.
Julian G. Francis: So.
Julian G. Francis: We think that Destocking was largely completed in the first half of last year. So we would expect to significantly outperform.
Julian G. Francis: So, we would expect to significantly outperform the overall market in the second quarter and achieve substantial growth. But I think our customers are giving us some indications now that they're starting to see quoting and bidding into the back half of the year, and they remain probably more optimistic than we were coming into the year. So, we're excited about the opportunity. I also want to emphasize the work that we're doing with the commercial markets and the investments that we're making, both in people and the capabilities we have. I mentioned the Tri-Vault line of installation, as well as the commercial acceleration initiative, which is the best practices sharing across the company.
Julian G. Francis: The overall market in the second half and the second quarter and get.
Julian G. Francis: Substantial growth.
Julian G. Francis: But I think our customers are giving us some indications now.
Julian G. Francis: They're starting to see quoting and bidding into <unk>.
Julian G. Francis: Back half of the year and they remain probably more optimistic than we were coming into the year. So our excited about the opportunity.
Julian G. Francis: I also want to emphasize the work that we're doing with the.
Julian G. Francis: The commercial markets and the investments that we're making both in people and capabilities. We have I mentioned the tried to outline of installation.
Julian G. Francis: As well as the commercial acceleration initiative the best practices sharing across the company are Tom I'm, very very pleased with how thats going as well.
Julian G. Francis: I'll tell you, we're very, very pleased with how that's going, as well. It's been a long time coming, but I think it's really starting to have an impact on our business today. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Trey Grooms with Stevens. Your line is now open. Hey, good afternoon everyone. I was wondering if we could maybe... Touch on the cadence for the year. You guys gave us some good color. Excuse me.
Julian G. Francis: <unk>.
Trey Grooms: That's been a long time coming but I think it's really starting to have an impact on our business Tonight.
Julian G. Francis: Yes.
Julian G. Francis: Okay.
Trey Grooms: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: The next question is from the line of Trey Grooms with Stephens. Your line is now open.
Trey Grooms: Good afternoon, everyone.
Trey Grooms: I was wondering if we could maybe.
Trey Grooms: Touch on kind of the cadence.
Trey Grooms: For the year, you guys gave us some good color.
Trey Grooms: Excuse me with <unk> expectations.
Trey Grooms: And, you know, with the full year, we're clearly facing some tougher comps in the back half. Jeff Bezos, Trey Grooms, Kathryn Thompson, Stanley Elliott, Michael Rehaut, Frank Lonegro, Transcripts provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC, your expectations for pricing improvement and that sort of thing. Sure, I'll try to give you the big picture and turn it over to Carmelo for a little bit more detail.
Trey Grooms: And with the full year were clearly.
Trey Grooms: Facing some tougher comps in the back half.
Speaker Change: <unk>, but.
Carmelo Carrubba: Could you help us maybe frame up how to think about.
Carmelo Carrubba: Any color you can give us on kind of the cadence for the back half given the backdrop of the tough comps, but also.
Trey Grooms: Your expectations for pricing improvement and that sort of thing any color would be helpful. Thanks.
Trey Grooms: Sure I'll try to give you a big picture and turn it over to Carmelo for a little bit more detail, but.
Julian G. Francis: But the way things are shaping up, obviously, the first half of the year last year, as we got into the second quarter, we started to see the residential impact and the storms come in. So that had a positive impact last year. We continue to believe that there's good carryover demand from storms. We've seen a few early storms that were reasonably significant this year, nothing that we wouldn't have anticipated in our average 10-year outlook, but there have been a couple of significant hailstorms that have affected. Transcripts provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC, lower comps from last year, and then partly due to good carryover as well. So that's the rest of the first half.
Carmelo Carrubba: The way things are shaping up obviously, the first half of the year last year as we got into the second quarter.
Julian G. Francis: Starting to see the residential impact and the storms come in so.
Julian G. Francis: That had a positive impact last year, we continue to believe that there is.
Julian G. Francis: There's good carryover demand from storms, we've seen a few early storms that were reasonably significant this year nothing that we wouldn't sort of anticipated in a sort of average 10 year outlook, but there have been a couple of.
Julian G. Francis: Significant hailstones that have impacted some of the locations in the Midwest it'll yacht. So we would expect to see second quarter.
Julian G. Francis: Growth year over year, partly due to.
Julian G. Francis: Lower.
Julian G. Francis: Lower comps from last year, and then partly due to good carryover as well so that's the rest of the first half.
Julian G. Francis: In the second half of the year, I think there's a couple of things that we're still watching. Obviously, we've got to see how the average of the storms plays out. We continue now to be probably a little bit more optimistic, although we still expect some contraction in commercial. We're probably a little bit more optimistic there and about our ability to grow into that environment, seeing positive impact in terms of what we believe our market share gains can be.
Julian G. Francis: In the second half of the year I think there is a couple of things.
Julian G. Francis: Still watching obviously, we've got to see the average of the storms play Act.
Julian G. Francis: We continue to add to be probably a little bit more optimistic although still expect some contraction in commercial we're probably a little bit more optimistic.
Julian G. Francis: So I think that we're becoming overall a little bit more optimistic about the second half of the year, how it's shaping out, and as I said, with a slight rise in our overall, very positive about what we see this year, including on pricing. Yeah, exactly. Maybe that's the color that I would add.
Julian G. Francis: So I think that we're becoming overall a little bit more optimistic about the second half of the year, where the how it's shaping out.
Julian G. Francis: And.
Julian G. Francis: With a slight raise in our overall guidance.
Julian G. Francis: The back half I think we remain.
Julian G. Francis: Overall very positive on what we see this year, including on pricing yes.
Carmelo Carrubba: I think what we see then, the more positive, maybe than we were expecting that we were like three months ago at this point in the commercial market. Now we see a little bit more momentum, and also the work we're doing in executing our commercial acceleration gives us confidence that we will continue to see a positive trend even in Q3 and Q4. And we think also that this market environment will be supportive of pricing stabilization in the commercial segment for the rest of the year.
Speaker Change: Yes. It is out there maybe that's the color that I would add I think what we see then the more positive maybe than than we were expecting that we were three months ago.
Carmelo Carrubba: At this point on the commercial market now, we see a little bit more momentum and also the work we're doing in executing our commercial acceleration give us confidence that we will continue to see a positive trend even in Q3 and Q4 and we think also that this market environment will be supportive of pricing.
Carmelo Carrubba: A stabilization in the commercial segment.
Carmelo Carrubba: In the rest in the rest of for the rest of the year.
Carmelo Carrubba: We also think we're going to benefit, of course, from the acquisitions that we executed earlier in the year. And as they get integrated into our systems, of course, and synergize a little more, I think we want to, of course, will see the benefit from that.
Carmelo Carrubba: Also we also think we're going to benefit of course from the acquisitions that we that we executed earlier in the year and as they.
Carmelo Carrubba: And also, the maturation of some of our greenfields, the greenfields that we opened in the first part of the year will also contribute. So, all in all, we're very positive about the year and the progression that we will see from Q2, Q3 and then into the second half of the year, despite some of these other comps that you were mentioning. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Michael Rehaut with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open. Hi, thanks. Good morning, everyone.
Michael Jason Rehaut: And synergize, a little more I think we want to of course, we will see the benefit from that and also the maturation of our some of our Greenfield that equity that we opened in the first part of the Altra will contribute so all in all we're very positive about the year and the progression that we will see from Q2 Q3, and then in the second half of the year.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Despite some of these harder comp that you that you were mentioning.
Carmelo Carrubba: Yeah.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Thank you.
Carmelo Carrubba: The next question is from the line of Michael Rehaut with Jpmorgan. Your line is now open.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Oh, sorry. Good afternoon. I wanted to circle back to the full-year EBITDA guidance, and, you know, you raised it by $10 million, about 1% at the midpoint. And, you know, still we're kind of looking at guidance for EBITDA growth at the midpoint that lags the top-line outlook, and obviously you still expect... that tends to be really driven by the greenfields and the acquisitions and the cost associated with that. How should we think about that impact this year, perhaps on a dollar basis, versus some of your other margin-expanding initiatives as part of your Ambition 2025?
Michael Jason Rehaut: Hi, Thanks, good morning, everyone.
Speaker Change: Sorry, good afternoon.
Speaker Change: Wanted to circle back to the.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Full year EBITDA guidance, and you raised it by $10 million about 1% at the midpoint.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Still we're kind of looking at a guidance and EBITDA growth at the midpoint that lagged.
Michael Jason Rehaut: The.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Top line outlook, and obviously you still expect.
Michael Jason Rehaut: That could.
Michael Jason Rehaut: To be really driven by.
Michael Jason Rehaut: The greenfields and the acquisitions and the costs associated with that.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Perhaps on a dollar basis versus some of your other margin expanding initiatives as part of your ambition 2025.
Michael Jason Rehaut: And, you know, the bigger picture as we look forward over the next couple of years. Would you expect the drag this year from the greenfields and the acquisitions to be more of a one-time impact, or over the next couple of years or in a more normal cadence, would you expect EBITDA growth to be more in line or exceed even revenue growth? Thank you for the question, Michael.
Michael Jason Rehaut: And.
Michael Jason Rehaut: Bigger picture as we look forward over the next couple of years.
Speaker Change: Would you.
Michael: The drag this year from the Greenfields and the acquisitions to be more of a one time impact or.
Michael: EBITDA growth to be more in line or exceed even our revenue growth.
Julian G. Francis: The bottom line answer is that, in the long run, EBITDA growth should outpace our top line. There are a couple of things going on that I think are important. One, a few of the acquisitions we've done, particularly the larger ones, have been well below our average EBITDA margin, but we like the revenue there. We know that we've got a process now, certainly looking at our sort of BQB process, our bottom quintile branch process.
Speaker Change: Thank you for the question Michael.
Julian G. Francis: Bottom line answer is that we would expect in the long run EBITDA.
Julian G. Francis: EBITDA growth to outpace our top line.
Julian G. Francis: I think are important one.
Julian G. Francis: A few of the acquisitions, we've done, particularly the larger ones have been well below our average EBITDA margin.
Julian G. Francis: We liked the revenue that we know that we've got a process now certainly looking at a sort of a <unk> process, our bottom quintile branch process, we know how to improve the margins of the companies will combine so some of the more recent acquisitions. We've done there have had low to mid single digit EBITDA margins.
Julian G. Francis: We know how to improve the margins that the companies are buying. So some of the more recent acquisitions we've done there have had low to mid-single digit EBITDA margins. So that's proven to be a dragon.
Julian G. Francis: That's proven to be a drag really nice revenue when we look at that we think we can improve that significantly so that would add to it.
Julian G. Francis: Really nice revenue. When we look at that, we think we can improve it significantly. So that would add to it.
Julian G. Francis: As we start to sort of get back into, remember it's been only two years since we kind of got back into the greenfields, they're still not mature. So they still represent a little bit of a dragon in terms of the total portfolio of greenfields that we've got coming in. Probably represent a bigger percentage today of the overall revenue coming from that than they will in the future, so that will also be a diminishing drag, if you understand what I mean, a double negative there. That's a diminishing drag over time as well.
Julian G. Francis: As we start to sort of get back into members been only two years since we kind of got back into the Greenfield, we're still not mature so they still represent a little bit of a drag in terms of the total portfolio of Greenfields that we've got coming in.
Julian G. Francis: Probably represent a bigger percentage today of the overall revenue coming from that than they will in the future. So that will be also be a diminishing drag if you see what I mean to build a double negative that that's a diminishing drag over time as well.
Julian G. Francis: The third element is, I think, that what we're starting to see now is the impact of the initiatives that we put in place a couple of years ago, like the pricing model, like our private label product line that's expanding, like digital. They are now starting to really get traction, and while we've been working on them, they really haven't contributed to our P&L in a significant way. So it is certainly something we're focused on, and it's certainly something we feel confident that when we look at the underlying business, that this is, well, maybe not a one-year phenomenon; it's not a multi-year phenomenon. And we will start to get back to that.
Julian G. Francis: The third element is I think what we're starting to see now.
Julian G. Francis: Is the the impact of the initiatives that we've put in place.
Julian G. Francis: Private label product line, that's expanding likely digital they are now starting to really get traction and while we've been working on them. They really haven't contributed to.
Julian G. Francis: This is well maybe not a one year phenomenon.
Julian G. Francis: Not a multiyear phenomenon.
Julian G. Francis: And we will start to get back to.
Julian G. Francis: EBITDA growth that would exceed our top-line growth. Margin expansion is something we're certainly focused on, you know, continuing to deliver double-digit EBITDA margins on an ongoing basis, and more importantly, getting back to a point where we believe we can actually grow and consistently grow EBITDA margins. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC. Your line is now open.
Julian G. Francis: EBITDA growth that would exceed our topline growth.
Michael Glaser Dahl: Insistently grow EBITDA margins.
Michael Glaser Dahl: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: The next question is from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC. Your line is now open.
Michael Glaser Dahl: Thanks for taking my question. Question. I wanted to ask about inventory. Obviously, Carmelo, you articulated a number of the moving pieces in there. Can you just be more specific about how you would characterize your resi shingle inventory? How much was the pre-buy?
Michael Glaser Dahl: Alright, thanks for taking my questions.
Carmelo Carrubba: So quantify that on the inventory side. And also, you know, you alluded to the 26% margin, including a benefit, but then the full year price cost is neutral. So what's the quantification of the gross margin benefit? QQ.
Julian G. Francis: Yeah.
Michael Glaser Dahl: I wanted to ask about inventory, obviously, carmela you articulated a number of the moving pieces.
Carmelo Carrubba: So quantify that on the.
Carmelo Carrubba: And also.
Carmelo Carrubba: And then do we think about that as effectively just offsetting the price cost headway that you saw in one cue, and then the second half gross margin would effectively be price cost? As we said in our prepared remark, we, of course, built inventory in Q1 this year, and this is, of course, compared to last year when we were actually coming off a period of building inventory and actually bringing inventory down.
Carmelo Carrubba: You saw in <unk> and then the second half gross margin.
Carmelo Carrubba: It would effectively be price cost neutral.
Speaker Change: Alright, Mike Thanks for the question, yes, so as we as we said in our prepared remark we of course built inventory in.
Carmelo Carrubba: Q1, this year and this is of course compared to last year. When we were actually coming off a period of building inventory and country bring.
Carmelo Carrubba: Bringing inventory down we had a very different outlook at this time last year compared to what we had coming into this year. So we wanted to be bit there too.
Carmelo Carrubba: We had a very different outlook at this time last year compared to what we had coming into this year. We wanted to be prepared to serve the market well and also, as you mentioned, of course, we wanted to be prepared to take advantage of the price increase. The thing that I also wanted to mention is, of course, we did acquisitions and greenfields, so these were also elements that we wanted to make sure that we were able to support the growth coming from these investments with our inventory.
Carmelo Carrubba: To serve the market well and also as you mentioned of course, we wanted to be to be prepared to.
Carmelo Carrubba: We.
Carmelo Carrubba: The thing is also I wanted to mention is of course, we performed acquisitions and Greenfields.
Carmelo Carrubba: These are also elements that we wanted to make sure that we were able to support the growth coming from this from these investments with our inventory.
Carmelo Carrubba: All in all, I think that the impact on inventory profit that we will see in Q2 will be in the low single digits, probably on our price and on our margin performance in Q2, and that's, I think, the time at which I think that inventory profit will then wind down in Q3. I think that's pretty much what I would say. I don't know if Julian wants to add some color to that.
Carmelo Carrubba: All in all I think that the impact on inventory profit that we will see in Q2.
Julian: On our price and our margin performance in Q2.
Julian: And that's I think that the timing, which I think that the inventory profit will then wind down in Q3.
Julian G. Francis: Coming into the year, we were pretty confident about some of the carryover demand in the residential market. We wanted to make sure, unlike last year, that we were bringing in the right product lines, particularly in the shingles. Inventory investment has been in the residential product lines.
Carmelo Carrubba: Yes.
Julian: Coming into the year, we're pretty confident about some of the carryover demand in.
Julian G. Francis: Residential.
Julian G. Francis: Markets.
Julian G. Francis: Denver, the Pacific and that sort of thing so we wanted to make sure.
Julian G. Francis: Unlike last year that we were bringing in the right product lines.
Julian G. Francis: Particularly in the shingles, so the bulk of.
Julian G. Francis: Sure.
Julian G. Francis: Inventory investment has been in the residential product lines, we've we've been very carefully managing.
Julian G. Francis: We've been very carefully managing the overall commercial side of things, but we've certainly wanted to add to our shingle inventory because we think that it is broad-based in the industry. I mean, you look at the armor shipments or the manufacturer shipments, and obviously, they were up, I think, low double digits over the prior year. I think it was in the low 40 million range, which is sort of industry operating capacity, roughly, give or take, is what we believe. We think the manufacturers shipped everything.
Julian G. Francis: We've certainly wanted to.
Julian G. Francis: To shingle inventory, we think that was broad based in the industry. I mean, you look at the AMA shipments so the manufacturer shipments.
Julian G. Francis: And obviously they were up I think low double digits over the prior year.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: $40 million range, which is sort of industry operating capacity roughly give or take is what we believe so we think the manufacturer ship everything we took everything.
Julian G. Francis: We did everything we could to put it in the right place. There are a couple of markets that are off, and we're watching those, but we really tilted our inventory strategy towards the residential markets, knowing that that would be a good opportunity. We'd come into the year with that plan, and then to have the manufacturers sort of come out with an April 1st increase, we doubled down on it and wanted to make sure that we were well-placed.
Julian G. Francis: We could put it in the right place.
Julian G. Francis: Markets that are off and we're watching those.
Julian G. Francis: But we really tilted our.
Julian G. Francis: Inventory strategy towards.
Julian G. Francis: The residential markets, knowing that that would be a good opportunity.
Julian G. Francis: We'd come into the year with a plan and then to have the manufacturer is going to come out with.
Julian G. Francis: April 1st increase we doubled down on it and want to make sure that we were well placed.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: Thank you. The next question is from the line of Reuben Garner with The Benchmark Company. Your line is now open. Thank you. Good evening, everybody. Two-part question on the M&A side, just a clarification, Julian, the recent acquisitions you cited that maybe were more low to mid-single-digit EBITDA margin businesses, are those the siding and waterproofing kind of complementary businesses? And if so, what, I guess, what do you guys bring?
Julian G. Francis: The next question is from the line of Reuben Garner with Benchmark Company. Your line is now open.
Reuben Garner: Is it purchasing power in some of those product categories that can kind of get you closer to the company average over time, or is it simply kind of rolling through your operating processes? And then the second part of the question is, what's the pipeline look like? Any change recently with rate moves or anything else in the outlook there? Sure. Happy to talk about that. The acquisitions I'm referring to were primarily in our complementary business. You're right about that. That's where the drag was coming from.
Reuben Garner: Thank you good evening everybody.
Reuben Garner: Two part question on the M&A side.
Reuben Garner: Just a clarification Julian the recent acquisition decided that maybe were more low to mid single digit EBITDA margin businesses are those are those the siding and waterproofing kind of complementary businesses and if so what I guess, what do you guys bring us at purchasing power.
Reuben Garner: Some of those product categories that can kind of get you closer to the company average over time or is it simply.
Reuben Garner: Kind of rolling through your operating processes and then the second part of the question is what's the pipeline look any change recently with rate moves or anything else in there.
Reuben Garner: Outlook there.
Speaker Change: Sure happy to.
Reuben Garner: Talk about that so.
Reuben Garner: The acquisitions, I am referring to primarily and our complementary business Youre right about that so that's where the dry was like you said.
Julian G. Francis: Like I said, they were generally the businesses that we had larger-scale businesses, the larger acquisitions that we've done. In terms of what we bring, we've got a complementary business that operates at double-digit EBITDA margins overall, in line with the rest of the market, so we know where some of the operating improvements we can deliver are. Certainly, we think that scale matters, and we can bring something to the purchasing side. The addition of this dedicated team that we have has really enhanced our capabilities, and we see the ability to drive improvements in operations, in inventory management, in all of these areas.
Reuben Garner: They were generally the businesses that we had larger larger scale businesses for the larger acquisitions that we've done.
Julian G. Francis: In terms of what we bring I mean, we've got a complementary business.
Julian G. Francis: Operates at sort of double digit EBITDA margins overall sort.
Julian G. Francis: Sort of in line with the rest of the market. So we know where.
Julian G. Francis: Some of the operating improvements we can deliver certainly.
Julian G. Francis: We think that scale matters.
Julian G. Francis: We can bring something to the purchasing side of it but I think it's also operational capabilities.
Julian G. Francis: Digital all of those things that we know how to now implement.
Julian G. Francis: The addition of this dedicated team that we have.
Julian G. Francis: Really enhanced our capabilities.
Julian G. Francis: We see the ability to drive improvements in operations.
Julian G. Francis: And inventory management and all of these areas. So we think that.
Julian G. Francis: So we think that we can certainly move those sort of mid-single-digit businesses up to at least the company average over the next couple years. But we're really excited about being able to bring those businesses in because we think we've built a capability around doing that. In terms of the second part of your question on pipeline, I'd say that it remains robust. I don't think that interest rates have changed.
Julian G. Francis: We can certainly move those sort of mid single digit businesses up to at least the company average over the next couple of years, but where we're really excited about being able to bring those businesses in because we think we've built a capability around doing that.
Julian G. Francis: In terms of my the second part of your question on pipeline.
Julian G. Francis: Yes.
Julian G. Francis: I'd say that it remains robust.
Julian G. Francis: I don't think that interest rates have changed we were very active.
Julian G. Francis: We are very active with potential sellers. Obviously, we've conducted a number of acquisitions this year. We've talked about the multiple acquisitions we've done over the last two years since we kind of got back in the game. We do not see that slowing down. Obviously, we're looking for ones of scale as well as tuck-ins.
Julian G. Francis: With potential sellers.
Julian G. Francis: We've obviously, we've conducted a number of acquisitions this year, we've talked about.
Julian G. Francis: The multiple acquisitions, we've done over the last two years since we kind of got back in the game, we do not see that slowing down.
Julian G. Francis: Obviously, we're looking for.
Julian G. Francis: One is the scale as well as <unk>.
Ketan Mamtora: And we're excited about the proposition. We're in discussions with... I don't know, as many as we have been at any point over the last two years, so no slowdown in that at all, and we're excited about the opportunities that are being presented. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ketan Mamtora with BMO. Your line is now open.
Julian G. Francis: Okay.
Julian G. Francis: We're excited about the proposition we're in discussions with.
Ketan Mamtora: As many as we have been at any point over the last two years. So no slowdown in that at all and we're excited about the opportunities that are being presented to us.
Ketan Mamtora: Thank you. The next question is from the line of <unk> <unk> with BMO. Your line is now open.
Julian G. Francis: Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Julian, I'm just curious, as you think about your earlier EBITDA guidance, what gets you to the top end versus the bottom end of the guidance? Are storms it?
Ketan Mamtora: Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question I'm, just curious as you think about your full year EBITDA guidance.
Ketan Mamtora: What gets you to the top end versus the bottom end of the guidance as it stands is it how the commercial side holds up.
Julian G. Francis: Is it how the commercial side holds up? Yeah, look, it's all of those things, Ketan, it's, you know, I'm probably, like I said, we're probably a little bit more optimistic. Obviously, we've raised our guidance. I think there are some elements to the current pricing execution. We believe we've got good momentum there. We've only been at that for sort of 30 days now.
Julian G. Francis: Yes look it's all of those things Keith.
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Julian G. Francis: I'm, probably like I said, we're probably a little bit more optimistic obviously, we've raised.
Julian G. Francis: <unk> guidance now.
Julian G. Francis: At.
Julian G. Francis: I think theres, a little some element to the current pricing.
Julian G. Francis: Execution.
Julian G. Francis: Believe we've got good momentum there.
Julian G. Francis: We've only been at back for 30 days now.
Julian G. Francis: It usually takes... We've got six to eight weeks for that to fully form and for the WAC to adjust for our costs so we can see clearly what we've accomplished. We're certainly pleased with the early signs. I would tell you there are markets out there that it's harder to move the numbers in, and some weaker markets. I mean, oddly, Florida's been a challenge over the last few...
Julian G. Francis: It usually takes six to eight weeks for that to fully form and four.
Julian G. Francis: The WAC to adjust for our cost so we can see clearly.
Julian G. Francis: We've accomplished.
Julian G. Francis: We're certainly pleased with the early signs I would tell you that.
Julian G. Francis: There are markets out there.
Julian G. Francis: Harder to move the numbers in.
Julian G. Francis: Some some weaker markets.
Julian G. Francis: If you looked at the armor shipments, they were down 30% in Florida in the first quarter, so Florida's a market where we're not expecting great realization, but the rest of the country, we're sort of bullish about where that's taking us. It's going to be important for both the second quarter but also full year, so we remain positive there. Sentiments around commercial, like I said, seem to be improving despite the fact that the ABI remains below 50. We're seeing good momentum there. We believe that we're earning market share with the initiatives that we have in place. That would help.
Julian G. Francis: Hardly Florida has been a challenge.
Julian G. Francis: Over the last you saw if you.
Julian G. Francis: Looked at the Ami shipments they were down 30% in Florida in the first quarter. So, Florida is a market, where we're not expecting great realization, but the rest of the country, where we are.
Julian G. Francis: Sort of bullish about where that's taking us.
Julian G. Francis: It's going to be important for both the second quarter, but also a full year. So we.
Julian G. Francis: We remain positive there.
Julian G. Francis: Sentiments around commercial like I said, it seems to be improving despite the fact that the Abi remains below 50.
Julian G. Francis: We're seeing good momentum there we believe we're earning market share with the initiatives that we have in place that would help.
Julian G. Francis: Certainly, storms above the average 10-year average is definitely going to drive us towards the top end of that guidance range, but M&A would contribute, so we've got, as we said, multiple paths to growth and multiple paths to margin expansion, and we're working on all of them, but it's not solely to do with storms. As I said, we've got initiatives that are working. The last piece I'd say is the work that we continue to do on both greenfields and improving M&A.
Julian G. Francis: Certainly look storms above average 10 year average is definitely going to drive us towards the top end of that.
Julian G. Francis: Of that guidance range, but.
Julian G. Francis: Would contribute so we've got as we said multiple paths to growth and multiple path to margin expansion and we're working on all of them but.
Julian G. Francis: It is not solely to do with stops.
Julian G. Francis: Like I said.
Julian G. Francis: Got initiatives that.
Julian G. Francis: That are working.
Julian G. Francis: Working the last piece I'd say is the work that we continue to do on both Greenfields and improving M&A. If we can get those to ramp a little bit quicker with the initiatives that we're putting in place if we can deploy.
Julian G. Francis: If we can get those to ramp a little bit quicker with the initiatives that we're putting in place, if we can deploy digital and private label to the acquired branches in a really efficient manner this year, that would also help drive growth at the top end of the range. We feel we've built a very robust model around all of these elements to help us drive bottom-line improvement. So we remain excited about the opportunity. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Your line is now open.
Garik Simha Shmois: Digital and private label to the acquired branches.
Garik Simha Shmois: Really efficient manner. This year that would also help to drive to the top end of the range so but.
Julian G. Francis: Phil.
Garik Simha Shmois: We feel we've built a very robust model around all of these elements to help us drive bottom line improvement.
Garik Simha Shmois: We remain excited about the opportunities.
Garik Simha Shmois: Thank you.
Garik Simha Shmois: The next question is from the line of Garik <unk> with loop capital. Your line is now open.
Garik Simha Shmois: Oh, hi, thank you. I'm just wanting to follow up on the point about Florida being weak. I'm just curious if there's been any impact from geographic mix, either positive or negative, either in Q1 or your outlook for the rest of the year. You spoke to product mix being a headwind in the quarter with the higher commercial sales, which is what are any geographic mix issues. Yeah, this is something that we've been talking about a little bit recently, on first of all, the impact on gross margins.
Garik Simha Shmois: Hi, Thank you.
Garik Simha Shmois: Wanted to follow up on the.
Garik Simha Shmois: Point around.
Garik Simha Shmois: Sure.
Garik Simha Shmois: We can just curious if there's been any impact from geographic mix either positive or negative.
Garik Simha Shmois: Product mix being a headwind in the quarter with the higher sales, but just wondering about.
Garik Simha Shmois: Geographic mix issues.
Speaker Change: Yes. This is something that we have.
Garik Simha Shmois: Talking about a little bit recently.
Garik Simha Shmois: First of all the impact on gross margins.
Garik Simha Shmois: As the geographic mix has shifted towards the south and sort of to the west, that impacts gross margins. It's a truism that we can improve gross margin in all product lines and in all geographies and have the corporate's gross margin go down because of geographic shifts, the way that shapes up. So you know, the southern part of the U.S. tends to have slightly lower gross margins, so that shift there has a little bit of a drag.
Garik Simha Shmois: As the geographic mix has shifted towards the SaaS and services the west that impacts gross margin.
Garik Simha Shmois: Gross margin in all product lines and in all geographies and have the corporates gross margin go down because of geographic shift the way that shapes up so.
Garik Simha Shmois: The southern part of the U S tends to be slightly lower gross margins.
Garik Simha Shmois: So that shift their hazard.
Garik Simha Shmois: That is a little bit of a drag it's not.
Julian G. Francis: It's not a huge one right now, but we're watching that. Obviously, when you hit – when you have storms in the southern part, that drives a lot of volume there, which tends to drag down our gross margin, but it has no impact on our EBITDA margin because EBITDA margins are relatively stable across the country.
Garik Simha Shmois: A huge one right now, but we're watching that obviously when you hit.
Julian G. Francis: When you have storms in the southern part that drives lower volume, there, which tends to drag down on gross margin, but it has no impact on our EBITDA margins.
Julian G. Francis: EBITDA margins are relatively stable across the country.
Julian G. Francis: So, it affects the gross margin level, but it does not have an impact at the EBITDA margin level, which is why we think that the focus on EBITDA margins is more important. I don't think we've seen any particular shift around that. The one thing I would say is, particularly if you think about the first quarter last year. It was heavy shingles because of Hurricane Ian, and that was in Florida.
Julian G. Francis: So it affects the gross margin level, but it does not have an impact at the EBITDA margin level, which is why we think that the focus on EBITDA margins.
Julian G. Francis: More important ultimately.
Julian G. Francis: I don't think we've seen any particular shift around that so one thing I would say is particularly if you think about.
Julian G. Francis: First quarter last year.
Julian G. Francis: And that was in Florida.
Julian G. Francis: When you look at it now, obviously, you've got the dip after Ian, that's all been worked through. The shift has been more towards non-residential, just because there's much lower demand in the residential single category in that area. So that's also having a little bit of a mixed shift towards the negative. But again, our EBITDA margins are where we're really, really focused. Thanks for the question, Garik. I think it's important for us to communicate. Thank you. The next question is from Adam Baumgarten with Selman and Associates. Your line is now open.
Adam Baumgarten: Just because there is much lower demand in the residential single category in that area. So that's also.
Adam Baumgarten: Having a little bit of a mix shift towards the negative.
Adam Baumgarten: But again, our EBITDA margins, where we're really really focused.
Adam Baumgarten: Thank you.
Adam Baumgarten: Hey guys, good afternoon. One of your commercial roofing suppliers talked about weather as being a benefit in the first quarter. I think a couple extra days on the roof is the way they cited it. Did you feel that benefit?
Adam Baumgarten: One of your commercial roofing suppliers have talked about weather as being a benefit in the first quarter I think a couple of extra days on the roof is the way. They cited it did you feel that benefit and then also just on the pricing front. There. There is some increases out over the next two or three months. How do you think non resin price increases will fare as you go forward given your improved outlook.
Julian G. Francis: And then also just on the pricing front, there are some increases out over the next, you know, two or three months. You know, how do you think non-res roofing price increases will fare as you go forward given your improved outlook? Sure. So I... Interesting that a manufacturer would say that they got extra days of roofing since they're not actually out on the roof; they're shipping it into us in location, so I'm not exactly sure how that impacts them in the same way as it impacts us.
Julian G. Francis: Sure.
Julian G. Francis: Interesting that a manufacturer would say so.
Julian G. Francis: They've got extra days of roofing since they don't they're not actually out on the roof of shipping into us and location. So im not exactly sure how that impacts them in the same way that impacts us what I would tell you about weather in the first quarter is that.
Julian G. Francis: What I would tell you about the weather in the first quarter is that we actually had quite a few what I'd call bad rain days, which is kind of light rain that means that no one, Transcripts by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC. But what we did see was that on days where we had sort of uniform weather across the country, good roofing weather pretty much everywhere, demand was really good. We did see quite a bit of volatility. In the months of January, it was a little bit rough. February and March were pretty good, but the early weeks of April were actually not very good.
Julian G. Francis: Bad rain days, which is kind of light rain that means that no. One gets up on a route but it doesn't have much of an impact on.
Julian G. Francis: Peoples.
Julian G. Francis: Propensity to need a new roof heavy rains has a different impact.
Julian G. Francis: We had sort of uniform weather across the country. Good roofing weather pretty much everywhere demand was really good.
Julian G. Francis: We did see quite a bit of volatility.
Julian G. Francis:
Julian G. Francis: January was.
Julian G. Francis: It was a little bit rough.
Julian G. Francis: February and March were pretty good early months. The early weeks of April we're actually not good they were well down within the second half of April was very strong so it kind of banks all over the place.
Julian G. Francis: They were well down, but then the second half of April was very strong. So it kind of bounced all over the place, but I would tell you that on good roofing days, demand was very healthy. And that sort of is reflected in our OPEX line and our decision to sort of hold the people in the ranches rather than winterize like we normally would. We were pretty convinced that coming into the year, on good weather days, we would see demand there.
Julian G. Francis: But I would tell you that on.
Julian G. Francis: And that sort of is reflected in our Opex line and our decision to sort of hold the people in the branches rather than winterized like we normally would.
Julian G. Francis: We're pretty convinced that coming into the year that on.
Julian G. Francis: Good weather days, we would see the demand there and so we were very pleased with what we saw.
Julian G. Francis: And so we were very pleased with what we saw. As we get out of that sort of, you know, March-April mixed weather pattern and get into sort of May-June, I think we're going to see really nice demand, certainly on the residential side.
Julian G. Francis: March April mixed weather pattern.
Julian G. Francis: Get into sort of May June I think we're going to see really nice demand in certainly on the residential side like I said, we're seeing we're seeing nice pickup in commercial so going to your second question on.
Julian G. Francis: Like I said, we're seeing a nice pickup in commercial. So going to your second question on sort of commercial pricing, you know, we said it was down single digits year over year, but we also said it was stable sequentially. I think that that is what the pattern we believe will continue. We've got a fairly constructive, and we think that we can continue to see positive inflection in terms of volumes. That would be terrific if the market was not down as much as we had anticipated, which I think was sort of low single digits.
Julian G. Francis: We've said it was down mid single digits year over year, but we also said it was stable sequentially I think that that is what the patent we believe will continue.
Julian G. Francis: We think that it's going to remain.
Julian G. Francis: Fairly constructive.
Julian G. Francis: Think that we can continue to see positive inflection.
Julian G. Francis: In terms of volumes that would that would be terrific if.
Julian G. Francis: If the market was not down as much as we had anticipated, which I think was sort of low single digits.
Julian G. Francis: Overall, I'd say that the market's very healthy. Thank you. Again, if you'd like to queue for a question, please dial star one on your telephone. The next question is from the line of Stanley Elliott with Stiefel. Your line is now open.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: The next question is from the line of Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Hey, everybody. Thank you for the question and thanks for fitting me in. Julian, quick question. I mean, at a high level.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Hey, everybody. Thank you for the question and thanks for fitting me in.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Quick question, I mean high level with one of the big box players looking to get into space.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Does it change maybe how you think about the business strategically or is this something basically where the dynamic is such that the three biggest players continue to take share from the smaller players.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Yes.
Stanley Stoker Elliott: I understand that we're very early in the process, but would love to see how you guys are thinking about that.
Julian G. Francis: So with one of the big box players looking to get into space, I mean, I understand we're just past the announcement. Does this create any sort of customer disruption down the road? Or would you imagine that?
Stanley Stoker Elliott: Obviously it was.
Julian G. Francis: <unk>.
Julian G. Francis: It was something that.
Speaker Change: Certainly had us putting our thinking caps on in deciding what we're going to see I mean.
Julian G. Francis: Does it maybe change how you think about the business strategically? Or, you know, is this something basically where, you know, the dynamic is such that the three biggest players continue to take share from the smaller players? Just, you know, understanding we're very early in the process, so we'd love to see how you guys are thinking about that. Yeah, um, you know, obviously it was, um... It was something that certainly had us putting our thinking caps on and deciding what we're going to see. I mean, based on how we believe it. Home Depot's purchase of SRS has been characterized so far, but this is still gonna play out. I mean, obviously, it's not closed.
Julian: Based on how we believe it.
Julian G. Francis: Home Depot's purchase of Srs Theres been characterized so far.
Julian G. Francis: There is.
Julian G. Francis: This is still going to play out I mean, it's obviously is now closed.
Julian G. Francis: No, I don't believe that it creates a different market dynamic. I can't honestly say that any of our customers are going to believe that buying from Home Depot is the same as SRS. It's a professional roofing distribution company, and I wouldn't expect a tremendous amount of disruption there, but we'll see how that plays out. The thing that I believe really emphasized to the team here was... and I think it's relevant for the call, is the discrepancy between public and private markets in terms of valuations of roofing. This is a very strong multiple. We've said we believe we're undervalued, and we've explained that private market transactions seem to be happening at higher multiples than we're trading at.
Julian G. Francis: No.
Julian G. Francis: I don't believe that it creates a different market dynamic I cant honestly say that any of our customers.
Julian G. Francis: Going to believe Theyre buying from home depot in the same ways Srs.
Julian G. Francis: Professional roofing distribution company in.
Julian G. Francis: Wouldn't expect a tremendous amount of disruption there, but we'll see how that plays out.
Julian G. Francis: The thing that.
Julian G. Francis: And I think it's relevant for the call.
Julian G. Francis: Is the discrepancy between public and private markets in terms of valuations of roofing companies.
Julian G. Francis: This is a this is a very strong multiple and we've said we believe we are undervalued. We've we've explained that.
Julian G. Francis: Private market transactions seem to be happening.
Julian G. Francis: We think we're executing as well as anyone in the market today, that we're delivering results that are as strong as any company ever. And, you know, we continue to be frustrated by the multiple that we garner in the public marketplace. So this is something that will continue to play out. You know, like I said, I don't think it's going to have a long-term effect. I think you characterized it as the big three taking share. We still believe that that's a likely description.
Julian G. Francis: And we think we're executing as well as anyone in the market today with delivering results that are as strong as any company asset.
Julian G. Francis: We continue to be frustrated by the.
Julian G. Francis: Like I said I don't think its going to have long term effect I think you characterized as the big three taking share we still believe that thats.
Julian G. Francis: The characterization, we think size matters in this industry, we think the investments in digital and private label in our ability to deploy resources against Greenfields to attract talent to develop that talent to have the best people on the playing field that at all times.
Julian G. Francis: We think size matters in this industry. We think the investments in digital, in private label, in our ability to deploy resources against green fields to attract talent, to develop that talent, to have the best people on the playing field at all times, are really important. And that's where we're spending our money. So I continue to believe that that's how we'll do. It's not going to change our strategy.
Julian G. Francis: Is really important and that's where we're spending our money. So I think continue to believe that that's how we'll do it is not going to change our strategy.
Julian G. Francis: I think it's just made very clear the valuation gap between public and private markets. That concludes our Q&A session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Julian Francis for closing comments. Thanks, Joel, and I appreciate everyone's interest today. Before I close, I want to look across the table and thank my colleague and friend Carmelo Carrubba for his contributions as interim CFO. And I also want to welcome Prith Gandhi, who's sitting here with us today, who will assume his role starting this weekend.
Julian G. Francis: I think it's just made very clear that the valuation gap between public and private markets.
Julian G. Francis: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Julian G. Francis: That concludes our Q&A session I would like to turn the call back over to Julian Francis for closing comments.
Prith Gandhi: Thanks, Joe and I appreciate everyone's interest today.
Julian G. Francis: Before I close I want to look across the table and thank my colleague and friend Carmelo Kariba for his contributions as interim CFO and I also want to welcome <unk> sitting here with US today, who will assume his role starting this weekend.
Julian G. Francis: Prith's got a proven track record in financial leadership, particularly in the building products industry, and that makes him a valuable addition to our team. And he and I know each other well from our time at Owens Corning together.
Julian G. Francis: And then a valuable addition to our team and he and I know each other well from our time at Owens Corning together. So we know we have a great partnership and we know we will work forward so Chris thanks.
Julian G. Francis: So we know we have a great partnership, and we know we'll work forward. Thanks, Julian. And good evening, everyone. I'm honored to join Beacon's team. You know, the team continues to demonstrate really strong execution. I'd also like to thank and acknowledge Carmelo and his leadership. It's made it very easy for me to step in here.
Prith Gandhi: And I look forward to meeting and engaging with all of you in the coming days. So, thank you. Thanks, Brit. And thank everyone on the call for joining us today. And thank you to our team members for their relentless focus on execution in the field, which is so important to us. We appreciate your interest in Beacon. Thank you. That concludes today's call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your line. Field, which is so important.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Julian and good evening, everyone I'm honored to join <unk> team.
Prith Gandhi: Thank you everyone on the call for joining us today.
Prith Gandhi: Thank you for our team members for their relentless focus on execution in the field, which is so important to US. We appreciate your interest in beacon. Thank you.
Prith Gandhi: That concludes today's call. Thank you all for your participation you may now disconnect your lines.
Prith Gandhi: Field, which is so important.