Q2 2024 Verizon Communications Inc Earnings Call
Good morning and welcome to the Verizon second quarter 2024 earnings conference call.
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Brady Connor: This conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Brady Connor, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thanks, Brad. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter earnings conference call. I'm Brady Connor, and I'm joined by our chairman and chief executive officer, Hans Vestberg, as well as our chief financial officer, Tony Skiadas.
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It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Brady Connor, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.
Brady Connor: Thanks, Brad. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter earnings conference call. I'm Brady Connor, and I'm joined by our chairman and chief executive officer, Hans Vestberg, as well as our chief financial officer, Tony Skiadas.
Brady Connor: Before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement, which can be found on slide 2 of the presentation. The information in this presentation contains statements about expected future events and financial results that are forward-looking and subject to risks and uncertainties. Discussions of factors that may affect future results are contained in Verizon's filings with the SEC, which are available on our investor relations website. This presentation contains certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the financial materials posted on our website.
Speaker Change: Before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our Safe Harbor Statement, which can be found on slide 2 of the presentation.
Speaker Change: Information in this presentation contains statements about expected future events and financial results that are forward-looking and subject to risks and uncertainties.
Speaker Change: Discussions of factors that may affect future results is contained in Verizon's filings with the SEC, which are available on our Investor Relations website.
Speaker Change: This presentation contains certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the financial materials posted on our website.
Brady Connor: Earlier this morning, we posted on our investor relations website a detailed review of our second quarter results. You'll find additional details in the earnings materials on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Hans. Thank you, Brady.
Speaker Change: Earlier this morning, we posted to our investor relations website a detailed review of our second quarter results. You'll find additional details in the earnings materials on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Hans.
Hans Vestberg: Good morning, and welcome to Verizon's second quarter 2024 earnings call. This quarter marks the beginning of Verizon's next chapter. We have launched a comprehensive brand refresh that goes far beyond the new logo.
Hans: Thank you, Brady. Good morning and welcome to Verizon's second quarter 2024 earnings call.
Hans: This quarter marks the beginning of Verizon's next chapter.
Hans Vestberg: This transformation embodies our commitment to bringing choice, value, and control to our customers' lives, reflecting our evolution and vision for the future of connectivity. We refreshed our brand as our strategy continues to deliver strong results. The three pillars of our performance, wireless service revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA, expansion, and increased free cash flow, remain solid, showing both sequential and year-over-year improvements. In the second quarter, we saw wireless service revenue climb 3.5% year-over-year, adjusted EBITDA rise by 2.8%, and free cash flow increased 3% compared to a loss.
Speaker Change: We have launched a comprehensive brand refresh that goes far beyond the new logo.
Hans: This transformation embodies our commitment to bringing choice, value, and control to our customers' lives, reflecting our evolution and vision for the future of connectivity.
Hans: We refreshed our brand as our strategy continues to deliver strong results.
Hans: The three pillars of our performance, wireless service revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA, expansion and increased free cash flow, remain solid, showing both sequential and year-over-year improvements.
Hans: In the second quarter, we saw wireless service revenue climb 3.5% year-over-year, adjusted EBITDA rise by 2.8%, and free cash flow increased 3% compared to last year.
Hans Vestberg: Our improving operations and results build on our first quarter momentum, keep us on track to meet our 2024 financial guidance, and are paving the way for sustained growth. Our progress comes from innovations that deeply resonate with customers, including the most personalized offerings in the industry. These initiatives align perfectly with our core strategy to strengthen and grow customer relationships while delivering the best return on invested capital. We launched MyPlan in 2003, and it delighted our customers.
Hans: Our improving operations and results build on our first quarter momentum, keep us on track to meet our 2024 financial guidance, and are paving the way for a sustained growth.
Hans: Our progress comes from innovation that deeply resonates with customers, including the most personalized offerings in the industry.
Hans: These initiatives align perfectly with our core strategy to strengthen and grow customer relationships while delivering the best return on invested capital. We launched MyPlan in 2023 and it delighted our customers.
Hans Vestberg: In just over a year, over 30% of our subscribers are using It is an incredible adoption rate, and now we're bringing these features to the home internet with MyHome. We're building and expanding on our strengths and successes, and you can expect that to continue. For businesses, we launched Verizon Business Complete, the industry's only end-to-end smartphone management system. We cover everything from selecting the first phone to upgrades with 24-hour service and same-day equipment replacement.
Hans: In just over a year, over 30% of our subscribers are using it. That is an incredible adoption rate, and now we're bringing these features to home internet with My Home.
Hans: We're building and expanding on our strengths and successes, and you can expect that to continue.
Hans: For businesses, we launch Verizon Business Complete, the industry's only end-to-end smartphone management system. We cover everything from selecting the first phone to upgrades with 24-hour service and same-day equipment replacement.
Hans Vestberg: These initiatives, combined with our strong network performance and extensive distribution, are reinforcing our leadership position and driving our industry forward. We had strong operational performance across mobility, broadband, and our network. Our overall execution in consumer mobility has been improving quarter after quarter since early last year, and our momentum continues. Consumer postpaid phone gross ads are up 12% year over year, which is amazing.
Hans: These initiatives, combined with our strong network performance and extensive distribution, are reinforcing our leadership position and driving our industry forward. Turning to the second quarter.
Hans: We had a strong operation performance across mobility, broadband, and our network.
Speaker Change: Our overall execution in consumer mobility has been improving quarter after quarter since early last year. And our momentum continues. Consumer postpaid phone gross ads are up 12% year over year, which is amazing.
Hans Vestberg: Total postpaid phone app ads of 148,000 is a big improvement year-over-year and sequentially, and we expect to have positive postpaid phone app ads in consumer for the year. Choice is at the core of our approach.
Speaker Change: Total postpaid phone app ads of 148,000 is a big improvement year-over-year and sequentially. And we expect to have positive postpaid phone app ads in consumer for the year.
Hans Vestberg: And we're constantly working on new partnerships that give our customers more options and value. One example is our addition of YouTube Premium and Peacock subscriptions, which makes us the only provider offering our customers savings on 10 of the top streaming services. These content partnerships give our customers compelling reasons to shop with us. We also had a very strong quarter for postpaid phone net ads in Verizon Business with $156,000. This is a sharp improvement from the first quarter and shows how important we are to small, mid-sized, and large businesses.
Speaker Change: Choice is at the core of our approach.
Speaker Change: and we're constantly working on new partnerships.
Speaker Change: that give our customers more options and value. One example is our addition of YouTube Premium and Peacock subscriptions, which makes us the only provider offering our customers savings on 10 of the top streaming services.
Speaker Change: These content partnerships give our customers compelling reasons to shop with us.
Speaker Change: We also had a very strong quarter for postpaid phone net ads in Verizon Business at $156,000.
Speaker Change: This is a sharp improvement from the first quarter and shows how important we are to small, mid-sized and large businesses. Our business customers continue to invest in mobility and we offer them the widest range of choices.
Hans Vestberg: Our business customers continue to invest in mobility, and we offer them the widest range of choices. In the consumer value market, we're applying the same customer-centric discipline and rigor as we do in the postpaid market and are seeing significant net ad improvements, excluding safety. We recently relaunched Total by Verizon as Total Wireless and enhanced our offerings with price guarantees, upgrade credits, and other features.
Speaker Change: In the consumer value market, we're applying the same customer-centric discipline and rigor as we do in the postpaid market.
Speaker Change: and are seeing significant net ad improvements excluding Safelink.
Speaker Change: We recently relaunched Total by Verizon as Total Wireless and enhanced our offerings with price guarantees,
Hans Vestberg: In broadband, we're still taking share with 391,000 net ads in the second quarter. However, fixed wireless access remains a key driver with higher net ads than in the first quarter. We continue to grow our broadband base, ending the quarter with more than 11.5 million broadband subscribers. We're also continuing to add business from large customers like government agencies. We're very proud that we were awarded a new contract from the U.S. Department of the Navy to provide wireless devices and device management, building on our previous work together. For first responders, Verizon Frontline delivers mission-critical connectivity and advanced solutions to more than 40,000 public safety agencies across the United States.
Speaker Change: Upgrade Credits, and other features.
Speaker Change: In broadband, we're still taking share with 391,000 net ads in the second quarter.
Speaker Change: Fixed wireless access remains a key driver with higher net debt than in the first quarter. We continue to grow our broadband base, ending the quarter with more than 11.5 million broadband subscribers.
Speaker Change: We're also continuing to add business from large customers like government agencies. We're very proud that we were awarded a new contract from the U.S. Department of the Navy to provide wireless devices and device management, building on our previous work together.
Speaker Change: For first responders, Verizon Frontline delivers mission-critical connectivity and advanced solutions to more than 40,000 public safety agencies across the United States.
Hans Vestberg: Serving them with everything from device and network management to digital transformation. Verizon is there when people need us most, from protecting the front lines to natural disaster response. In fact, recent FCC data show us that, overall, our network outperforms our peers in areas affected by the hurricane. I could not be prouder of that.
Speaker Change: Serving them with everything from device and network management to digital transformation.
Speaker Change: Verizon is there when people need us most.
Speaker Change: from protecting the front lines to natural disaster response. In fact, recent FCC data show us that overall our network outperformed our peers in areas affected by the hurricane burial.
Hans Vestberg: It's one of the reasons we're so committed to network superiority, and we're continuing to expand CBAN in suburban and rural areas. Our initial CBAN markets outperformed with better gross ad growth, higher uptake of premium services, and lower churn. We now have nearly half of our network traffic running on ultra-wideband, up from 36% a year ago.
Speaker Change: I could not be prouder of that. It's one of the reasons we're so committed to the network superiority.
Speaker Change: And we're continuing to expand CBAN in suburban and rural areas. Our initial CBAN markets outperform with better gross ad growth, higher uptake of premium services, and lower churn.
Speaker Change: We now have nearly half of our network traffic running on ultra-wideband.
Hans Vestberg: That number will continue to grow as we expand our C-band reach. We're also working to enhance our network coverage by partnering with AST Space Mobile to provide satellite-to-device connectivity using the 850 MHz spectrum. This will bring our network to unserved communities as we target 100% coverage from coast to coast.
Speaker Change: Up from 36% a year ago. That number will continue to grow as we expand CBAN reach.
Speaker Change: We're also working to enhance our network coverage by partnering with AST Space Mobile to provide satellite-to-device connectivity using the 850 MHz spectrum. This will bring our network to unserved communities as we target 100% coverage from coast to coast.
Hans Vestberg: Our portfolio of high-performance spectrum, the capacity of our fiber, and our ability to deploy and support mobile edge compute make us the backbone of the AI economy and the partner of choice for players in the space. We will power the best AI services for our customers. What sets us apart with AI is our network's mobile edge computing capabilities and deep fiber footprint. By processing data closer to the source, we enable real-time AI applications that require security, ultra-low latency, and high bandwidth.
Speaker Change: Our portfolio of high performance spectrum, the capacity of our fiber, and our ability to deploy and support mobile edge compute make us as the backbone of the AI economy and the partner of choice for players in the space.
Speaker Change: We will power the best AI services for our customers.
Speaker Change: What sets us apart with AI is our network's mobile edge computing capabilities and deep fiber footprint.
Speaker Change: By processing data closer to the source, we enable real-time AI applications that require security, ultra-low latency, and high bandwidth.
Hans Vestberg: This is where our network shines, opening up possibilities that simply weren't feasible before. We're already seeing the benefits of AI in our operations. For example, we use AI to route customer support calls to agents best suited to help.
Speaker Change: This is where our network shines, opening up possibilities that simply weren't feasible before.
Speaker Change: We're already seeing the benefits of AI in our operations. For example, we use AI to route customer support calls to agents best suited to help. We analyze more than 800 data points per call to save our customers time and spare them frustration.
Hans Vestberg: We analyze more than 800 data points per call to save our customers time and spare them frustration. It takes the best network to power these applications, and today, RootMetrix awarded us an outright win for overall national wireless network performance. Verizon also won the most national, state, and metro awards, including outright wins for accessibility, data performance, and streaming video performance.
Speaker Change: It takes the best network to power these applications. And today, RootMetrics awarded us an outright win for national overall wireless network performance.
Speaker Change: Verizon also won the Most National, State, and Metro Awards.
Speaker Change: Including outright wins for accessibility, data performance, and streaming video performance.
Hans Vestberg: This is the kind of superior network performance that our customers deserve and expect from us. I'm pleased with our first half-year performance and how well our team has executed our strategy. I always say there is more work to do, and there always is.
Speaker Change: This is the kind of superior network performance that our customers deserve and expect from us.
Speaker Change: I'm pleased with our first half year performance on how well our team is executed in our strategy. I always say there is more work to do and there always is.
Tony Skiadas: We are seeing improving postpaid phone net ads in consumer, performing extremely well in business, and taking share in broadband. We're achieving growth in a disciplined, balanced way and have built great momentum heading into the second half of the year and into 2025. Now, I will hand over the call to Tony for a deeper dive into our performance. Thanks Hans, and good morning.
Speaker Change: We are seeing improving postpaid phone net ads in consumer, performing extremely well in business, and taking share in broadband.
Speaker Change: We're achieving growth in a disciplined, balanced way and have built great momentum heading into the second half of the year and into 2025. Now, I will hand over the call to Tony for a deeper dive into our performance.
Tony Skiadas: Our second quarter results reflected accelerated growth in wireless service revenue and adjusted EBITDA as we continue to generate strong free cash flow. These results were driven by strong operational execution in both consumer and business, which led to sequential net advertising improvements in postpaid phones, fixed wireless access, and prepaid, excluding SafeLink. Within consumer, postpaid phone gross ads were approximately 1.8 million in the second quarter, a 12% year-over-year increase. This marks the sixth consecutive quarter with year-over-year growth. Excluding our second number offering, consumer post-paid phone gross ads grew 5% year-over-year. Consumer Post-Paid Phone Churn was 0.79% in the second quarter, up slightly from the prior year period.
Tony: Thanks Hans and good morning. Our second quarter results reflected accelerated growth in wireless service revenue and adjusted EBITDA as we continue to generate strong free cash flow.
Tony: These results were driven by strong operational execution in both consumer and business, which led to sequential net ad improvements in post-paid phones.
Speaker Change: Fixed wireless access and prepaid excluding Safelink. Within consumer, postpaid phone gross ads were approximately $1.8 million in the second quarter, a 12% year-over-year increase.
Speaker Change: This marks the sixth consecutive quarter with year-over-year growth.
Speaker Change: Excluding our second number offering, consumer post-paid phone gross ads grew 5% year-over-year.
Speaker Change: Consumer post-paid phone churn was 0.79% in the second quarter, up slightly from the prior year period. This was in line with our expectations as we recently implemented several price increases that are expected to generate well over $1 billion in annualized wireless service revenue.
Tony Skiadas: This was in line with our expectations as we recently implemented several price increases that are expected to generate well over $1 billion in annualized wireless service revenue. We believe the majority of the pricing churn is now behind us, and we continue to expect full-year consumer post-paid phone churn to be flat or slightly better than last year. Consumer post-pay phone net losses were $8,000 for the second quarter, which marks a significant improvement both sequentially and year-over-year.
Speaker Change: We believe the majority of the pricing churn is now behind us, and we continue to expect full-year consumer post-paid phone churn to be flat or slightly better than last year.
Speaker Change: Consumer post-paid phone net losses were $8,000 for the second quarter, which marks a significant improvement both sequentially and year-over-year.
Tony Skiadas: For the full year, we expect to deliver positive consumer post-paid phone ad results without the contribution from our second number offering. Moving to prepaid, we continue to make progress with our core brands while navigating the conclusion of the ACP program. Overall prepaid net losses were $624,000, including $410,000 losses related to the ACP shutdown, the vast majority of which are in our Safelink brand.
Speaker Change: For the full year, we expect to deliver positive consumer postpaid phone net ads without the contribution from our second number offering.
Speaker Change: Moving to prepaid, we continue to make progress with our core brands while navigating the conclusion of the ACP program.
Speaker Change: Overall prepaid net losses were $624,000, including $410,000 losses related to the ACP shutdown, the vast majority of which are in our SafeLink brand.
Tony Skiadas: Excluding Safelink, prepaid net losses were $12,000, a substantial improvement compared to the prior year period. Visible and Total Wireless continued to expand and perform well, while our operational execution with Straight Talk continues to improve. We exited the quarter with good momentum in prepaid, setting the stage for a stronger performance in the second half of 2024 and positioning us well for 2025. On the business side, post-paid phone net ads were 156,000 in the second quarter, the best performance in the last six quarters.
Speaker Change: Excluding Safelink, prepaid net losses were $12,000, a substantial improvement compared to the prior year period.
Speaker Change: Visible and Total Wireless continue to expand and perform well, while our operational execution with Straight Talk continues to improve.
Speaker Change: We exited the quarter with good momentum in prepaid, setting the stage for a stronger performance in the second half of 2024 and positioning us well for 2025. On the business side, postpaid phone net ads were 156,000 in the second quarter, the best performance in the last six quarters.
Tony Skiadas: We saw a strong sequential improvement in phone ad ads across small and medium businesses as well as enterprise and public sector customers. Turning to broadband, our total broadband net additions were 391,000 for the quarter, representing the eighth consecutive quarter with over 375,000 broadband net ads. In fixed wireless access, we continue to focus on building a long-term sustainable business. Total fixed wireless net ads were $378,000 in the quarter, up sequentially.
Speaker Change: We saw a strong sequential improvement of phone ad ads across small and medium businesses, as well as enterprise and public sector customers.
Speaker Change: Turning to broadband, our total broadband net additions were $391,000 for the quarter, representing the eighth consecutive quarter with over 375,000 broadband net ads. In fixed wireless access, we continue to focus on building a long-term sustainable business.
Speaker Change: Total fixed wireless net ads were 378,000 in the quarter, up sequentially. This brings our base above 3.8 million subscribers, up nearly 69% year over year.
Tony Skiadas: This brings our base above 3.8 million subscribers, up nearly 69% year over year. Consumer Fixed Wireless Net Ads were $218,000, a $15,000 sequential increase as we continue to see healthy demand for reliable broadband even in a seasonally softer quarter. Verizon Business continued strong execution with 160,000 Fixed Wireless Access Net Ads, a quarterly record. Demand for the service is strengthening as small businesses and enterprises continue to trust the reliability of the product and speed and ease of deployment. Overall, Fios internet net ads total $28,000 for the quarter.
Speaker Change: Consumer Fixed Wireless Net Ads for $218,000, a $15,000 sequential increase as we continue to see healthy demand for reliable broadband even in a seasonally softer quarter.
Speaker Change: Verizon Business continued strong execution with 160,000 fixed wireless access net ads, a quarterly record.
Speaker Change: Demand for the service is strengthening as small businesses and enterprises continue to trust the reliability of the product and speed and ease of deployment.
Tony Skiadas: We are pleased with the continuous growth of Fios, even with the effects of the ACP shutdown and lower move activity. We ended the quarter with over 11.5 million broadband subscribers, a 17% increase from a year ago. Our broadband growth continues to significantly outpace that of the broader market, given our superior network experience and strong execution. Moving to the financials, we delivered another solid quarter and remain on track to meet our full year financial guidance.
Speaker Change: Overall Fios internet net ads totaled 28,000 for the quarter. We are pleased with the continuous growth of Fios, even with the effects of the ACP shutdown and lower move activity.
Speaker Change: We ended the quarter with over 11.5 million broadband subscribers, a 17% increase from a year ago. Our broadband growth continues to significantly outpace that of the broader market, given our superior network experience and strong execution.
Speaker Change: Moving to the financials, we deliver another solid quarter and remain on track to meet our full year financial guidance.
Tony Skiadas: Consolidated revenue for the second quarter totaled $32.8 billion, a 0.6% increase year-over-year. That growth was driven by serviced and other revenue, which grew 1.8% year-over-year, partially offset by declines in wireless equipment revenue, as total upgrades were down nearly 13% year-over-year. Wireless service revenue totaled $19.8 billion, a sequential increase of more than $250 million, and year-over-year growth of 3.5% for $660 million. The increase was primarily driven by consumer wireless service revenue, which grew 3.7% year-over-year to $16.3 billion.
Speaker Change: Consolidated revenue for the second quarter totaled $32.8 billion, a 0.6% increase year-over-year.
Speaker Change: That growth was driven by service and other revenue, which grew 1.8% year-over-year, partially offset by declines in wireless equipment revenue, as total upgrades were down nearly 13% year-over-year.
Speaker Change: Wireless service revenue totaled $19.8 billion, a sequential increase of more than $250 million, and year-over-year growth of 3.5 percent, or $660 million.
Speaker Change: The increase was primarily driven by consumer wireless service revenue, which grew 3.7% year-over-year to $16.3 billion. Consumer postpaid ARPA grew 5% year-over-year, reflecting the benefits of pricing actions and fixed wireless growth.
Tony Skiadas: Consumer postpaid ARPA grew 5% year-over-year, reflecting the benefits of pricing actions and fixed wireless growth. In addition, my plan helps drive ARPA growth through premium mix adoption and PERC revenue. As Hans said, we now have over 30% of our consumer phone lines on MyPlan and expect this to expand meaningfully going forward. FWA revenue, which is included in wireless service revenue, was $514 million for the quarter, up more than $200 million versus the prior year period.
Speaker Change: In addition, my plan helps drive ARPA growth through premium mix adoption and PERC revenue.
Speaker Change: As Hans said, we now have over 30% of our consumer phone lines on MyPlan and expect this to expand meaningfully going forward.
Hans: FWA revenue, which is included in wireless service revenue, was $514 million for the quarter, up more than $200 million versus the prior year period.
Tony Skiadas: Launched at scale in 2021, our FWA business is expected to generate more than $2 billion in revenue this year, with prospects for continued healthy growth. However, prepaid revenue for the quarter declined $162 million versus the prior year period.
Hans: Launched at scale in 2021, our FWA business is expected to generate more than $2 billion in revenue this year, with prospects for continued healthy growth. Prepaid revenue for the quarter declined $162 million versus the prior year period.
Tony Skiadas: The headwind to wireless service revenue growth from the ACP shutdown was approximately 30 basis points within the range we provided last quarter, and the margin impact was insignificant. With the majority of ACP disconnects now behind us, and the momentum growing in our core prepaid brands, we are better positioned for the remainder of the year and heading into 2025. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter totaled $12.3 billion, an increase of 2.8% year over year.
Hans: The headwind to wireless service revenue growth from the ACP shutdown was approximately 30 basis points.
Hans: Within the range we provided last quarter, and the margin impact was insignificant.
Hans: With the majority of ACP disconnects now behind us and the momentum growing in our core prepaid brands, we are better positioned for the remainder of the year and heading into 2025.
Hans: Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter totaled $12.3 billion, an increase of 2.8% year-over-year.
Tony Skiadas: The improved operating leverage reflects the lower upgrade activity and our disciplined approach to growth. We are making progress in our ongoing cost efficiency program and recently introduced new measures to improve our operating efficiency, including a voluntary separation program announced in June. Adjusted EPS in the quarter was $1.15, down 5% compared to the prior year period.
Hans: The improved operating leverage reflects the lower upgrade activity and our disciplined approach to growth.
Hans: We are making progress in our ongoing cost efficiency program and recently introduced new measures to improve our operating efficiency, including a voluntary separation program announced in June . Adjusted EPS in the quarter was $1.15, down 5% compared to the prior year period.
Tony Skiadas: Growth in adjusted EBITDA was offset by below-the-line items, including higher interest expense, predominantly due to lower capitalized interest, as we put more C-band spectrum into service. Cash flow from operating activities totaled $16.6 billion for the first half of the year, compared to $18 billion in the prior year period. The results reflect higher cash taxes of approximately $1.7 billion, predominantly due to the unwind of bonus depreciation, as well as higher interest expense, primarily driven by the decrease in capitalized interest.
Hans: Growth in adjusted EBITDA was offset by below-the-line items, including higher interest expense, predominantly due to lower capitalized interest, as we put more C-band spectrum into service.
Hans: Cash flow from operating activities totaled $16.6 billion for the first half of the year.
Hans: Compared to $18 billion in the prior year period.
Hans: The results reflect higher cash taxes of approximately $1.7 billion, predominantly due to the unwind of bonus depreciation, as well as higher interest expense, primarily driven by the decrease in capitalized interest.
Tony Skiadas: Capital spending for the first half of the year totaled $8.1 billion. This was $2 billion less than in the same period last year, as we have returned to historical levels of capital intensity. The network build remains ahead of schedule, with CBAN deployed on nearly 60% of our planned sites. Our full year guidance for CapEx spending remains unchanged at a range of $17 to $17.5 billion. The net result of cash flow from operations and capital spending will be free cash flow of $8.5 billion for the first half of 2024.
Hans: Capital spending for the first half of the year totaled $8.1 billion. This was $2 billion less in the same period last year as we have returned to historical levels of capital intensity.
Hans: The network build remains ahead of schedule, with C-band deployed on nearly 60% of our planned sites.
Hans: Our full year guidance for CapEx spending remains unchanged at a range of $17 to $17.5 billion. The net result of cash flow from operations and capital spending is free cash flow of $8.5 billion for the first half of 2024.
Tony Skiadas: This represents an increase of nearly 7%, or approximately $550 million, from the prior year period. We expect to generate strong cash flow in the back half of the year that will support paying down debt. Net unsecured debt at the end of the quarter was $122.8 billion, an improvement of $3.2 billion compared to the previous quarter, and $3.7 billion lower year over year.
Hans: This represents an increase of nearly 7% or approximately $550 million from the prior year period, despite higher cash taxes and interest expense.
Hans: We expect to generate strong cash flow in the back half of the year that will support paying down debt. Net unsecured debt at the end of the quarter was $122.8 billion, an improvement of $3.2 billion compared to the previous quarter, and $3.7 billion lower year over year.
Tony Skiadas: Our net unsecured debt to a consolidated adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.5 times, an improvement from 2.6 times last quarter. The strength of our results and momentum in our business put us in a great position to execute on our capital allocation priorities. In particular, we remain on track to further reduce the leverage on our balance sheet in the second half of the year. In summary, with 2024 reaching its midpoint, the team's strong execution and operating momentum is translating into results.
Hans: Our net unsecured debt to a consolidated adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.5 times, an improvement from 2.6 times last quarter. The strength of our results and momentum in our business put us in a great position to execute on our capital allocation priorities.
Hans: In particular, we remain on track to further reduce the leverage on our balance sheet in the second half of the year. In summary, with 2024 reaching its midpoint, the team's strong execution and operating momentum is translating into results.
Tony Skiadas: We have good momentum in mobility, as reflected by the strong gross ad growth, and continue to take share in broadband through fixed wireless access and Fios. Importantly, we are accomplishing this with a disciplined approach, balancing growth and profitability, providing the confidence to deliver on our 2024 financial guidance. With that, I will turn it back to Hans for his final remarks before opening the call to your questions. Thank you, Donny.
Speaker Change: We have good momentum in mobility, as reflected by the strong gross ad growth, and continue to take share in broadband through fixed wireless access and Fios.
Speaker Change: Importantly, we are accomplishing this with a disciplined approach, balancing growth and profitability, providing the confidence to deliver on our 2024 financial guidance.
Speaker Change: With that, I will turn it back to Hans for his final remarks before opening the call to your questions.
Hans Vestberg: Our focus for the second half of the year remains clear: drive growth in wider service revenue, expand adjusted EBITDA, and generate strong free cash. We're evolving our broadband strategy as we approach 4 to 5 million fixed wireless access subscribers, and we'll continue to scale the business along with the private networks while driving mobility growth. Our ongoing CBAN expansion will be crucial in supporting these efforts.
Hans: Thank you, Tony. Our focus for the second half of the year remains clear. To drive growth in wireless service revenue, expand adjusted EBITDA, and generate strong free cash flow.
Hans: We are evolving our broadband strategy as we approach 4 to 5 million fixed wireless access subscribers and will continue to scale the business along with the private networks while driving mobility growth. Our ongoing CBAN expansion will be crucial in supporting these efforts.
Hans Vestberg: Enhancing our network performance and opening new opportunities across markets. Our commitment to a differentiated customer experience and operation excellence remains firm. The success of my plan and our brand refresh are proof of our ability to meet evolving customer needs. We will build on these successes in the quarters ahead as we work to deliver value to all of our stakeholders. We will continue to execute on our capital allocation priorities by investing in the business, supporting R.D. with M, and paying down debt.
Hans: Enhancing our network performance and opening new opportunities across markets.
Hans: Our commitment to a differentiated customer experience and operation excellence remains firm.
Speaker Change: The success of my plan and our brand refresh are proof of our ability to meet evolving customer needs. We will build on these successes in the quarters ahead as we work to deliver value to all of our stakeholders.
Hans: We will continue to execute on our capital allocation priorities by investing in the business, supporting our dividend,
Hans Vestberg: As AI continues to reshape our industry, Verizon is well positioned to enable and benefit from it. Our reliable, secure, and powerful network will be at the forefront of AI and mobile edge compute applications. This is an exciting time for us at Verizon. Mobility, broadband, and the cloud are essential services, and their value has never been higher. We power and empower how people live, work, and play.
Hans: and paying down debt. As AI continues to reshape our industry, Verizon is well positioned to enable and benefit from it. Our reliable, secure and powerful network will be at the forefront of AI and mobile edge compute applications.
Hans: This is an exciting time for us at Verizon. Mobility, broadband and the cloud are essential services and their value has never been higher.
Hans Vestberg: We are in a great business, and there's so much more to come. We have the right assets and a strategy in place for success this year and beyond. I'm more excited than ever about what lies ahead of us. Now, Brady, we are ready to take questions.
Hans: We power and empower how people live, work and play. We are in a great business and there's so much more to come. We have the right assets and a strategy in place for success this year and beyond. I'm more excited than ever about what lies ahead of us.
Brady Connor: Thanks Hans, and Brad Ray for the first question. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1, please unmute your phone and record your name clearly when prompted. Your name is required to introduce your question or to withdraw your request.
Hans: Now Brady, we are ready to take questions.
Hans: Thanks Hans, Brad, we're ready for the first question.
Brady Connor: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1, please unmute your phone, and record your name clear when prompted. Your name is required to introduce your question.
Operator: Press Star 2. One moment for the first question. The first question will come from John Hodulik of UBS. Your line is open.
Hans: To withdraw your request, please press star 2.
Hans: One moment for the first question.
Speaker Change: The first question will come from John Hodulik of UBS. Your line is open, sir.
John Christopher Hodulik: Great. Thanks, and good morning, guys. Two questions, if I can.
John Christopher Hodulik: Great. Thanks, and good morning, guys. Two questions, if I can. First, on ACP,
John Christopher Hodulik: First of all, was there any impact on the broadband side in the quarter, and do you expect any lingering impact from ACP, either in prepaid or postpaid or broadband as we look at it in the second half?
Tony Skiadas: First, on ACP, was there any impact on the broadband side in the quarter, and do you expect any lingering impact from ACP, either in prepaid or postpaid or broadband, as we look out into the second half? And then, on upgrades, obviously, another strong quarter with record, I think, record low upgrades. You know, given the AI phones coming out in the second and third quarter, how do you expect that to trend, and what do you expect the impact to be on the financials of the wireless business as we look out into the second quarter? In the second quarter, we saw about 400,000 prepaid disconnects.
Speaker Change: And then second, on upgrades, obviously another strong quarter with record, I think record low upgrades. You know, given the AI phones coming out, you know, in the second, third quarter, how do you expect that to trend and what do you expect the impact to be on the financials of the wireless business as we look out into the second half?
Speaker Change: Thank you. On the ACP, Tony will give you the details, but yes, we had some impact on the prepaid brand, as was expected, and also a little bit on Fios. Looking forward, I see this as a great opportunity. I mean, 21 million people are having ACP, and the importance of mobility and broadband today is so important. And our offerings all the way from broadband with Verizon Forward, FixWise Access, both very efficient, and then on the prepaid brands. So I see that as an opportunity going forward, but some slight impact on volumes this quarter. On the upgrades, as you have seen, the upgrades have been a little bit slow.
Speaker Change: are low for a while.
Speaker Change: It's two things. First of all, the quality of the phones has continued to go up. But secondly, I think even more importantly, it's the discipline that we have shown over the years right now, I think for the last one and a half year, how we do the promotions, how we look at the customer investment.
Speaker Change: Tony. Yeah, thanks. Good morning, John . In terms of ACP updates, let me give you a couple of things here. So as we said previously, the majority of the ACP exposure is in our prepaid business. And as we said last time,
Tony Skiadas: This is the vast majority of what we expected. There's minimal impact on the postpaid side, which I think was part of your question. We saw some pressure in Fios in terms of gross ad opportunity. If we look ahead in the third quarter, we expect some disconnections in prepaid and a small number across other products. In terms of revenue, we also said that any impact that we would see, we'd see on service revenue up to a 50 basis points of headwind, and we're tracking inside of that number right now. And even with the disconnects, the margin exposure from ACP was insignificant in the second quarter, so we'll continue to keep everyone updated as we progress here. Perfect.
Tony: We had about 1.1 million prepaid subs that benefited from the ACP program. In the quarter, the second quarter, we saw about 400,000 prepaid disconnects. This is the vast majority of what we expected.
Speaker Change: There's minimal impact on the post-paid side, which I think was part of your question. We saw some pressure in Fios in terms of gross ad opportunity. If we look ahead in the third quarter, we expect some disconnects in prepaid and a small number across other products.
Speaker Change: In terms of revenue, we also said that any impact that we would see, we'd see on service revenue up to a 50 basis points of headwind, and we're tracking inside of that number right now. And even with the disconnects, the margin exposure from ACP was insignificant.
Tony Skiadas: Thanks, guys. Yeah, great. Thanks, John.
Speaker Change: in the second quarter. So we'll continue to keep everyone updated as we progress here.
Speaker Change: Perfect. Thanks, guys. Yeah, great. Thanks, John . Brad, we're ready for the next question.
Operator: Brad, we're ready for the next question. The next question will come from Simon Flannery of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: The next question will come from Simon Flannery of Morgan Stanley . Your line is open, sir.
Simon William Flannery: Great, thank you very much. On fixed wireless, you talked about the strong momentum; you obviously have a lot of C-bands still to build out, which will expand your addressable market. Yeah, I guess you're going to hit the 4 million, the low end of your guide, probably in the August timeframe. So help us think about what the potential is beyond the 4 to 5 million. And when you can give us more clarity on your opportunity there, I think you've talked before about plenty of excess capacity.
Simon William Flannery: Great. Thank you very much. On fixed wireless, you talked about the strong momentum. You obviously have a lot of C-bands still to build out. We'll expand your addressable market.
Simon William Flannery: I guess you're going to hit the $4 million, the low end of your guide, probably in the August timeframe. So help us think about what's the potential beyond the $4 to $5 million, and when you can give us more clarity on your opportunity there. I think you've talked before about plenty of excess capacity.
Simon William Flannery: And then there were media reports the other day about you looking potentially to monetize towers. Could you just talk about how you're thinking about tower sales or other real estate, other asset monetization? What you should know is that Tony and I are very committed to improving our cash flow; whatever we can see to see that we optimize our assets, we will do that. But I have no comments or rumors about them in the market.
Speaker Change: And then there were media reports the other day about you looking potentially to monetize towers. Could you just talk about how you're thinking about tower sales or other real estate, other asset monetization? Thank you.
Felicitas: Thank you, Simon. On Fixed Price Access, you're right, Felicitas. We have good momentum.
Felicitas: came into this court with 378,000 new net ads on fixed-wise access.
Felicitas: We're doing strong both on consumer as well as on business. And we are now expanding our C-band to suburban and rural, which is another type of opportunity, less penetrated, but also more vastly distributed. So we are gearing for getting to our target between $4-5 million, fixed wireless access broadband.
Hans Vestberg: But the focus on cash flow is extremely important because it goes straight into our capital priorities that we have been so focused on for the last couple of years, and we did, yet again, good progress on them this quarter. Thanks Hans. Yeah, great. Thanks Simon.
Felicitas: years and we did yet again in this quarter good progress on them.
Felicitas: Thanks Hans. Yeah, great. Thanks Simon. Brad, we're ready for the next question.
Operator: The next question. Communications, Jim Schneider, Goldman Sachs. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Two, if I may.
Brad Ray: The next question.
James: Comes from James
Jim Schneider: First on broadband, could you comment on the overall health of the broadband market that you're seeing? And then maybe any more quantitative guidance you can give us on the amount of headroom you see in your overall network capacity relative to fixed wireless subscribers. And then secondly, on the wireless side, in terms of service revenue growth, what's your level of confidence that you can drive more volume growth and still maintain the same level of pricing power over the next 12 months or so?
Speaker Change: Excuse me, Jim Schneider of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open, sir.
Jim Schneider: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Two, if I may, first on broadband, could you comment on sort of the overall health of the broadband market that you're seeing? And then maybe any more quantitative guidance you can give us on
Jim Schneider: And how do you expect that volume price split to work out for you over the next year or so? So on broadband health, I think, again, we are between 375 and 400,000 net debts in broadband this quarter. It has been like that for quite a while. So we see it as very healthy.
Speaker Change: The amount of headroom you see in your overall network capacity relative to fixed wireless subscribers. And then secondly, on the wireless side, in terms of the service revenue growth, what's your level of confidence that you can drive more volume growth and still maintain the same level of pricing power over the next 12 months or so? And how do you expect that volume price split to work out for you over the next year or so?
Hans Vestberg: I think we also have a really good offering. And now with my home that we just announced, I think we're going to be even stronger on it. So we see it as healthy.
Speaker Change: So on the broadband health, I think, again, we are between 375 to 400,000 net ads in broadband this quarter, been it for quite a while. So we see it as very healthy. I think also we have a really good offering. And now with MyHome that we just announced, I think we're going to be even stronger on it. So we see it healthy. Of course, Fios is
Speaker Change: By far the best fiber product in the market, and then fixed wireless access, the differentiation of the product, how we deploy it, how the customer provision it is so different.
Speaker Change: And with all the streaming agreements we have right now, we can scale that horizontally to all our customers. So I see it as a very healthy business for us today. When it comes to our capacity on fixed-wise access, yet again, as we said, less than around 50% of all the traffic is now on CBAN. So we have a way to go, and we have deployed only a portion. So as we deploy more, we, of course, open up more opportunities. Finally, and maybe Tony has some addition, on the volume growth, I'm excited over what we have done in the consumer side.
Speaker Change: with MyPlan and all the new innovations we've done with our customers and we see it resonates with the market and clearly quarter by quarter we have improved both our revenue but also operation volumes on post-paid, pre-paid you saw it yourself.
Hans Vestberg: Of course, Fios is by far the best fiber product in the market, and then fixed wireless access, but also operation volumes on postpaid. Prepaid, you saw it yourself, a big step forward on prepaid this quarter. And then our business side, I mean, Kyle and the team have now been around 125 to 150 net ads on wireless for, I'm not sure how many quarters, around 125 to 150 net ads on wireless. So, all in all, I see that with the offerings we put into the market, and the refresh of the brand that is supporting that, we are in a good position going into the second half of this year. Tony, any additions to that?
Speaker Change: Big step forward on prepaid this quarter. And then our business side, I mean, Kyle and the team has been, now for I'm not sure how many quarters, been around 125 up to 150 net ads on wireless. So all in all, I see that with the offerings we put into the market, the refresh of the brand that is supporting that, we are in a good position going into the second half of this year. Tony, any additions to that? Yeah, thanks, Hans. So very comfortable with the revenue guide for the year. As Hans said, the performance and execution is very much on track. And we continue to find a better balance of P&Q. And you see the progress on volumes, as Hans said, B2 mobility and
Tony Skiadas: promotional environment and the level of upgrades. We'll have to see where that goes. But having said all that, the assumptions that we have in the service revenue guide have not changed. So overall, we feel good about our revenue performance and the momentum in the business. And, you know, we're not going to guide on 25 at this time, but I would tell you that those assumptions will carry forward as well. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, Jim. The next question comes from Sebastiano Petti of JP Morgan. Your line is open.
Tony: FWA. And maybe just a few additional points to consider. First, you know, we expect to see sequential growth in service revenue in the second half of the year.
Tony: Also, I would say the year-over-year comps are a little more challenging in the second half as we lap the pricing changes from 2023. The wild card, obviously, is the promotional environment and the level of upgrades. We'll have to see where that goes. But having said all that, the assumptions that we have in the Service Revenue Guide have not changed.
Tony: So overall, we feel good about our revenue performance and the momentum in the business. And, you know, we're not going to guide on 25 at this time, but I would tell you that those assumptions will carry forward as well.
Tony: Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, Jim. Brett, we're ready for the next question.
Brett: The next question comes from Sebastiano Petti of JP Morgan. Your line is open, sir.
Sebastiano Carmine Petti: Hi, thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to follow up on the 2024 consumer postpaid phone expectations to report positive debt ads for the year, excluding the second line. If you could perhaps maybe help us think about the pace or expectations for the second line contribution in the back half of the year, obviously, a pretty healthy run rate here in the second quarter on a full quarterly basis relative to the first quarter. So just how should we think about that? And, you know, in terms of trying to unpack the underlying benefit relative to the second line benefit.
Sebastiano Carmine Petti: Hi, thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to follow up on the 2024 consumer postpaid phone expectations to report positive net ads for the year, excluding the second line.
Sebastiano Carmine Petti: If you could perhaps maybe help us think about the pace or expectations for the second line contribution in the back half of the year, obviously a pretty healthy run rate here in the second quarter on a full quarterly basis relative to the first quarter. So just how should we think about that in terms of trying to unpack the underlying benefit relative to the second line benefit?
Hans Vestberg: And then, Tony, another quick question, just, you know, helpful color there on service revenue expectations and quarterly growth over the balance of the year. But can you perhaps help us think about margins? Obviously, decent, you know, nice growth here in the second quarter of business. How should we think about the contribution, perhaps from the HCL tech managed services savings coming through? And I think you also mentioned there was a voluntary separation program in the market.
Sebastiano Carmine Petti: And then, Tony, another quick question, just...
Speaker Change: You know, helpful color there on service revenue.
Speaker Change: Expectations, quarterly growth over the balance of the year, but
Speaker Change: Can you perhaps help us think about margins, obviously decent, you know, nice growth here in the second quarter in business. How should we think about the contribution for perhaps from the HCL tech managed services savings coming through? And I think you also mentioned there was a voluntary separation program in the market. I think we had seen headlines of that inter-quarter.
Hans Vestberg: I think we've seen the headlines about that intra-quarter. How should we think about maybe the contributions from those two items impacting margin and maybe EBITDA growth expectations or how you're thinking about the phasing of those in the back half? Thank you. Thank you. I'll start and Tony will give you details.
Speaker Change: How should we think about maybe the contributions from those two items impacting margin and maybe EBITDA growth expectations or how you're thinking about the phasing of those in the backup? Thank you.
Tony Skiadas: As we said before, the second line offering is straight into our strategy. The strategy is to build a network once and have as many profitable connections on top of it in order to get the best return on the invested capital. And you can see that is really happening.
Speaker Change: Thank you. I'll start and Tony will give you the details. As we said before, I mean, the...
Speaker Change: Second line offering is straight into our strategy. The strategy is to build a network once and have as many profitable connections on top of it in order to get the best return on invested capital. And you can see that is really happening, and that's been a very big focus for us. Tony will give you some more details on how it looks in the second half here. On the programs of cost...
Hans Vestberg: And that's been a very big focus for us. Tony will give you some more details on how it looks in the second half here on the programs of cost. We put in last year a couple of really large programs all the way from an agreement with HL together with large customer care changes. Many of those are now coming into the base. And that's why you see the leverage.
Tony: We put in last year a couple of really large programs, all the way from agreement with HL, together with large customer care changes. Many of those are now coming into the base, and that's where you see the leverage. But we also have quite a lot of new things coming up, and as you rightfully mentioned, we have a voluntary separation program that
Hans Vestberg: But we also have quite a lot of new things coming up. And as you rightfully mentioned, we have a voluntary separation program that is ongoing right now. We also have all the efficiencies with AI that is coming through. And, of course, we continue with our disciplined approach to investment. So all in all, there are more things to come. But we have gotten leverage from some of the things we did last year. Tony.
Tony: Anthony Skiadas, CEO Alphabet and Google
Tony Skiadas: Thanks. Hi Sebastiano. On the second number, just a few points. Hans touched on this up front. But this is a great business for providing customers with options and flexibility. It is a very profitable connection, and we would do it every day of the week. In terms of the market for this, we'll see how the TAM evolves. We share the gross ad impact. You can assume some level of churn in the quarter. Looking ahead, we expect less of a contribution from the second number in the back half of the year. It's a high-margin business comparable to the ARPU of Adeline offerings. The ARPU is very good and very comparable to Adeline without the device subsidy.
Speaker Change: Thanks. Hi, Sebastiano. On the second number, just a few points. Hans touched on this up front, but this is great business. We're providing customers options and flexibility. It is a very profitable connection, and we would do it every day of the week.
Speaker Change: In terms of the market for this, we'll see how the TAM evolves. We share the gross ad impact, and you can assume some level of churn in the quarter.
Speaker Change: Looking ahead, we expect less of a contribution from second number in the back half of the year.
Speaker Change: It's high margin business comparable to ARPU Adeline offerings, you know, the ARPU is very good and very comparable to Adeline without the device subsidy. And as we said in the prepared remarks, we expect to have positive phone ad ads in consumer for the year without the contribution from second number and the results in the quarter reflect the...
Tony Skiadas: And as we said in the prepared remarks, we expect to have positive phone ad ads in consumer for the year without the contribution from second number. And the results in the quarter reflect the strength of our core business. And then on your question on EBITDA and cost transformation, we're very comfortable with the EBITDA guide. We made a lot of progress. You saw the 80 basis points of margin expansion in the quarter.
Speaker Change: The strength of our core business.
Speaker Change: And then on your question on EBITDA and cost transformation, we're very comfortable with the EBITDA guide. We made a lot of progress. You saw the 80 basis points of margin expansion.
Tony Skiadas: And the program in terms of delivering cost transformation is on track. Hans talked about some of the work we're doing, and we did last year with customer care and with managed services. We have a lot of work going on right now between IT and real estate and network decommissioning. In addition, Hans mentioned the voluntary separation program.
Speaker Change: In the quarter and you know the program in terms of delivering cost transformation is on track.
Speaker Change: Hans talked about some of the work we're doing and we did last year with customer care and with managed services. We have a lot of work going on right now between IT and real estate.
Speaker Change: and Network Decommissioning. In addition, Hans mentioned the Voluntary Separation Program, and some of that savings will start manifesting in the back end of this year and into 2025.
Tony Skiadas: And some of that savings will start manifesting at the back end of this year and into 2025. And then lastly, AI is an enabler of efficiencies. You can think about customer care; you can think about personalization in my plant.
Speaker Change: And then lastly, you know, AI is an enabler of efficiencies. You can think about customer care. You can think about the personalization with MyPlant.
Tony Skiadas: And we see efficiencies coming from there as well. But we're very much on track. We're operating differently.
Tony Skiadas: And we feel good about the progress on cost actions that are driving the improvements in EBITDA that you see in the first half of the year. Great, thank you for the question. Yeah, Sebastiano.
Speaker Change: And, you know, we see efficiencies coming from there as well, but we're very much on track. We're operating differently, and we feel good about the progress on cost actions that are driving the improvements in EBIT as you see in the first half of the year.
Operator: Brad, we're ready for the next question, please. The next question comes from Michael Rollins of Citi. Your line is open. Thanks, and good morning.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you for the question. Yeah, thanks, Sebastiano. Brad, we're ready for the next question, please.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Michael Rollins of Citi. Your line is open.
Michael Ian Rollins: I'm curious, on the pricing front, where does the back book sit on average relative to your front book offers? And do you think the pricing environment in the postpaid wireless category can start to look more like fixed broadband or the video product categories where those products have tended to see some kind of pricing action? You know, on a somewhat annual basis, customers are getting more value from the offerings we have. We have done some price adjustments, and historically, I think that Sampath on the consumer side has said that he will get a better balance between volume and value increases. So that's what you see right now.
Michael Ian Rollins: Thanks and good morning. I'm curious, on the pricing front, where does, in wireless postpaid, the back book sit on average, relative to your front book offers?
Speaker Change: And do you think the pricing environment in the post-paid wireless category can start to look more like fixed broadband or the video product categories where those products have tended to see some kind of pricing action?
Speaker Change: You know, on a somewhat annual basis.
Speaker Change: Thank you, Mike. I think in general, when we see the value accretion we have done recently, very much about new offerings to see that our customers are getting more value from the offerings we have. We have done some price adjustments historically. I think that Sampath in the consumer side has said that he will get better balance between volume and value increases. So that's what you see right now. And then on the business side, we have constantly done a great job. Kyle and his team has constantly continued with a really high market share, continued to gain in every area like government, large enterprises and SMBs.
Hans Vestberg: And then on the business side, we have constantly done a great job. I mean, Kyle and his team have constantly continued with a really high market share, and they have continued to gain in every work. And we are in sort of a third phase of wireless, where wireless is so important for our customers, and we see it also as an opportunity with the largest direct-to-consumer business in the country to actually add support for them with new services and layering on. Tony said:
Speaker Change: Well, in the quarter you saw that the offerings we're doing with My Home, the additions on My Plan, and of course, with also the new offerings in Business, Business Complete, which is a new way to serve our SMBs. All of them are accretive in value, but also giving our customer better services. So that's how we continue to work, and we are in sort of a third phase of wireless, where wireless is so important for our customers. And we see it also as an opportunity with the largest direct-to-consumer business in the country to actually add support with them with new services and layering on.
Tony Skiadas: Yeah, just a couple of other things to add. I mean, as we said up front, we said we needed to find a better balance of P&Q in 2024. And we're doing that. We're very confident, Mike, in our back book.
Speaker Change: Tony
Mike: Yeah, just a couple of other things to add. I mean, as we said up front, we, you know, we said we need to find a better balance of P&Q in 2024, and we're doing that. We're very confident, Mike, in our back book. You know, we've been very consistent, as Hans said, about evaluating pricing opportunities, aligning the price with the value proposition for customers. We did take pricing actions in the first half of the year that provided good tailwind to service revenues, and those pricing actions were contemplated in the guide, but it wouldn't be appropriate to comment on what we might do in the future.
Tony Skiadas: You know, we've been very consistent, as Hans said, about evaluating pricing opportunities, aligning, and aligning the price with the value proposition for customers. We did take pricing actions in the first half of the year that provided a good tailwind to service revenues. And those pricing actions were contemplated in the guide. But it wouldn't be appropriate to comment on what we might do in the future.
Mike: Thanks Mike, we're ready for the next question.
Tony Skiadas: Thanks. Thanks, Mike. Brad, we're ready for the next question. The next question comes from David Barden of Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question.
Brad Ray: The next question comes from David Barden of Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question, sir.
David William Barden: Hey guys, thanks so much. So Tony, yeah, you guys have had real demonstrable success on the P side of the equation, and, you know, it helps lead the industry upward. Can we talk a little bit more about the Q, you know, the account number that you reported this quarter? I think it's the lowest that we've seen since the data I have going back to, like, 2016. And so the way that the Q is growing is by kind of shrinking the number of accounts but putting more and more into those accounts. I'm guessing the second line strategy is one of those strategies.
David Barton: Hey guys, thanks so much. So Tony, yeah, you guys have had, you know, real demonstrable
David Barton: Success on the P side of the equation and, you know, it helps lead the industry upward. Can we talk a little bit more about the Q, you know, the account?
Speaker Change: Number that you reported this quarter, I think it's the lowest that we've seen since.
Speaker Change: The data I have going back to like 2016.
Speaker Change: And so the way that the queue is growing is by kind of a shrinking number of accounts, but putting more and more into those accounts. I'm guessing the second line strategy is one of those strategies. But can you talk a little bit about...
Tony Skiadas: Can you talk a little bit about what kind of duration and durability this approach to growth has, or do we need to see accounts grow in order to believe that, you know, Verizon is really on the right growth path? Hi Dave, good morning. So look, as we said before, find the right balance of P and Q, and I think you've heard Sampath and I talk about something like 80-20, you know, price-volume mix. Last year it was more like 100.
Speaker Change: What kind of duration, durability, you know, this approach to growth has? Or do we need to see accounts grow in order to believe that, you know, Verizon is really on the right growth path? Thanks.
Tony Skiadas: So, you know, clearly making progress on that. And keep in mind, we have a very high-quality customer base, and we see it in the results quarter after quarter. And I think you see the momentum in both gross ads and in net ads in the quarter, and it's very high-quality growth, both on the consumer and the business side. Business had a very strong quarter as well on volumes.
Samuel McHugh: Hi Dave, good morning. So look, as we said before, you know, find the right balance of P and Q. And I think you've heard, you know, Sampath and I talk about something like 80-20, you know.
Speaker Change: Price volume mix last year was more like a hundred. So, you know clearly making progress on that and keep in mind We have a very high quality customer base and we see it in the results quarter after quarter and I think you see the momentum in both gross ad and in net ads in the quarter and it's very high quality growth both on The consumer and the business side business had a very strong quarter as well on Volumes and you also see the growth on fixed wireless access 378,000 fixed wireless access net ads that continue to provide a tailwind of service revenues. So
Tony Skiadas: And you also see the growth in fixed wireless access. We did 378,000 fixed wireless access net ads that continue to provide a tailwind of service revenues. So we're trying to find that right balance of P and Q, and I think the results reflect that. Great. Yep. Thanks, Dave. Brad Ray for the next question.
Speaker Change: We're trying to find that right balance of P and Q, and I think the results reflect that.
Speaker Change: Great. Yep. Thanks, Dave. Brad Ray for the next question.
Peter Lawler Supino: The next question comes from Peter Supino of Wolf Research. Your line is open. Morning, thanks. A question about capital allocation. As we approach 2025 and your leverage target, I'm wondering how you would encourage us to think, or how you think about the possibility of building more fiber and opportunity costing that against share repurchases. I wonder how you think about the returns on each of those projects and, separately, to the extent that capital is scarce, is there an argument for maintaining leverage at a constant level and more of both? Thank you. Hey Peter.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Peter Supino of Wolf Research.
Speaker Change: Search. Your line is open, sir.
Peter Lawler Supino: Morning. Thanks. A question about capital allocation.
Peter Lawler Supino: As we approach 2025 and your leverage target, I'm wondering,
Peter Lawler Supino: How you would encourage us?
Speaker Change: I think, or how you do think about
Speaker Change: Possibility of...
Speaker Change: Building more fiber, an opportunity costing that against share repurchases. I wonder how you think about the returns on each of those projects and separately to the extent that capital is scarce. Is there an argument for maintaining leverage at a constant level and more of both? Thank you.
Hans Vestberg: When it comes to our capital allocation priorities, they haven't changed. First of all, we put the money in the business. And this year, we have the guide between 17 and 17.5. But, of course, if we see opportunities to gain more revenue and grow the business, we will always look into the business side. Thanks, Peter. Uh, Brad Ray for the next question.
Speaker Change: Hey Peter, when it comes to our capital allocation priorities, they haven't changed. First of all, we put the money in the business and this year we have the guide between 17 and 17.5.
Speaker Change: So, but of course, if we see opportunities to gain more revenue and grow business, we will always look into the business side. Secondly, the dividend is very important. I mean, we have now been growing our dividend for 17 consecutive quarters. And Tony, in my job, years, not quarters. And Tony and I are committed to continue to put the board in a position to do that. And you see on our pay ratio, we're well inside that ratio, doing well. And then we're paying down our debt. We've paid down debt this quarter. Second half, we're going to continue with that. We will not consider any conversation about buybacks until we get to 225. And after that, there's a lot of factors in the market.
Speaker Change: [inaudible]
Craig Eder Moffett: The next question comes from Craig Moffett of Moffett Nathanson; please go ahead with your question. Hi, I want to return to the upgrade cycle. Apple is obviously betting that they can drive a significant upgrade cycle with AI. I wonder if you could just talk about the percentage of phones in your base that are. I believe Apple's requirement will be eight gigabytes of RAM, meaning it's going to be the iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Peter. Brad, we're ready for the next question.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Craig Moffett of Moffett Nathanson. Please go ahead with your question, sir.
Craig Eder Moffett: Hi, I want to return to the upgrade cycle. Apple is obviously betting that they can drive a significant upgrade cycle with AI. I wonder if you could just...
Speaker Change: Talk about the percentage of phones in your base that are, I believe Apple tech requirement will be 8 gigabytes of RAM and.
Speaker Change: Meaning it's going to be the iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max.
Craig Eder Moffett: What percentage of your phones are already of that level and how many would presumably require upgrades, and then how do you think about how quickly that upgrade cycle comes and what that might mean in terms of the costs and margins for your wireless business? And so I'm very excited for that opportunity going forward, together with private networks. So there's a lot of things coming into the next generation of AI, devices, our efficiencies, but also business opportunities for us when it comes to AI. Great. Thanks, Craig. Brad Rae for the next question.
Speaker Change: What percentage of your phones are already of that level?
Speaker Change: How many would presumably require upgrades? And then how do you think about how quickly that upgrade cycle comes and what that might mean in terms of the costs and margins for your wireless business?
Speaker Change: Thank you, Craig. I don't have the exact number, but I know that we have a fair amount of new phones, of course, in the base, because with our high-quality customer base on Postpaid, many of our customers are already on later versions of the phones.
Speaker Change: Again, looking into this cycle, I mean, of course, we're going to see some excitement around AI. I don't think that it's going to be any particular at this time, it will be over time, maybe. We have very disciplined model when it comes to approach and segmentation for promotion, etc. We will stick to that. We believe that we have such a great network, great offerings, so we can actually manage that and we will continue to do so. And then talking about the AI, I mean, I think where I'm most excited...
Speaker Change: It's of course that we have built sort of the Verizon Intelligent Edge Network.
Speaker Change: which will be the backbone for the gen-AI economy because you're going to have to have a lot more compute storage at the edge of the network and that's how we built the network already from 2018 with Fiverr to all our main hubs and between our main SAP centers and then on top of that we have cooling and power at those edges and I think as we go from the LLMs and we go into sort of doing commercial products for enterprises.
Speaker Change: Our network is set up for that, and so I'm very excited for that opportunity going forward together with private networks. So there's a lot of things coming into Gen-AI devices, our efficiencies, but also a business opportunity for us when it comes to AI.
Frank Garrett Louthan: The next question comes from Frank Louthan of Raymond James. Your line is open. Great, thank you. To what extent do you think that fixed mobile conversion will be more of the norm in the US? And given your smaller wireline footprint, do you think you need to expand your fiber to the home assets? Or how would you address that? And then would you clarify the target leverage you're looking for? Is that 2.2 times total leverage or 2.2 times unsecured?
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, Craig. Brad, ready for the next question.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Frank Louthan of Raymond James. Your line is open, sir.
Frank Garrett Louthan: Great. Thank you. To what extent do you think that fixed mobile conversion will be more of the norm in the U.S.? And given your smaller wireline footprint, do you think you need to expand your fiber-to-the-home assets, or how would you address that?
Speaker Change: I want to clarify, the target leverage you're looking for, is that 2.2 times total leverage or 2.2 times unsecured?
Hans Vestberg: Thanks. On mobile convergence, fixed mobile convergence, we see some uptick in that. As I said before, we will follow the customers. We have all this economics on wireless and on broadband, and we will see that if our customer wants to have a converged product, we will do that. I don't believe in sort of discounting products to get there, but of course, there are efficiencies if one customer has both mobility and broadband from us, and we will see that we share that with our customers as an opportunity.
Speaker Change: On the mobile convergence, fixed mobile convergence, we see some uptick on that.
Speaker Change: As I said before, we will follow the customers. We have owners' economics on wireless and on broadband, and we will see that if our customer wants to have a converged product, we will do that.
Speaker Change: I don't believe in sort of discounting products to get there, but of course there are efficiencies if one customer has both mobility and broadband from us, and we will see that we share that with our customers as an opportunity. So I don't think we're going to see the European levels here because of the nature of the market, but as we move further into convergence, we will be very well positioned with the products we have. Tony, on the leverage. Yes. Thank you.
Hans Vestberg: So, I don't think we're going to see European levels here because of the nature of the market. But as we move further into convergence, we will be very well positioned with the products we have. Tony on the leverage.
Tony Skiadas: Yes. So, Frank, on the leverage metric, the long-term goal is 175 to 2 on the unsecured, and then we said we would consider buybacks when we got to 2 and a quarter. Again, unsecured.
Frank Garrett Louthan: Frank, on the leverage metric, the long-term goal is 1.75 to 2 on the unsecured, and then we said we would consider buybacks when we got to 2.25. Again, unsecured.
Tony Skiadas: Okay, great. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Frank. We're ready for the next question. The next question comes from Tim Horan of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.
Frank Garrett Louthan: Okay, great. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Frank. Brad, we're ready for the next question.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Tim Horan of Oppenheimer. Your line is open, sir.
Timothy Kelly Horan: Hi guys, focusing back on the network, I know the C-Band initial deployments were just for a portion of the spectrum, and they weren't using the full range of technologies, and I know you said 60%, can you talk about where you are with kind of upgrading to the entire C-Band level spectrum and to Massive MIMO and also then to stand-alone, and kind of related to this? I know you saw some major network improvements with Can you talk about what you're seeing when you go back with the second upgrade and how to follow up on what you do with AI?
Timothy Kelly Horan: Hi guys, focusing back on the network, I know the C-Band initial deployments were just for a portion of the spectrum and they weren't using the full range of technologies, and I know you said 60%, can you talk about
Timothy Kelly Horan: Where are you with kind of upgrading to the entire C-Band level spectrum and to Massive MIMO and also then to standalone? And kind of related to this, I know you saw some major network improvements with the initial upgrades.
Speaker Change: Can you talk about what you're seeing when you go back with the second upgrade and how to follow up on what you're doing with AI?
Timothy Kelly Horan: On the C band, you're right; we almost have 50% of our traffic on the C band now. But we still have some deployment to be done in major urban and rural areas. Many of those sites are prepared for it.
Speaker Change: On the C-Band, you're right, we almost have now 50% of our traffic on the C-Band, but we still have some deployment to be done in top urban and rural. Many of those sites are prepared for it, so we're just rolling out as we speak right now, so we're going to see that continue.
Speaker Change: The Joe and his team in Networking and Technology are very much focused on customer satisfaction when it comes to the rollout and revenue generation right now. That's the main focus we have with them.
Hans Vestberg: So we're just rolling out as we speak right now. So we're going to see that continue with Joe and his team in network and technology very much focused on customer satisfaction when it comes to the rollout and revenue generation right now. That's the main focus we have with them.
Speaker Change: And the same trend that we saw in the beginning, where we have better upgrades, lower churn, where we have C-band, and of course also getting fixed-wise access opportunities. Same goes for when we are enhancing or continuing to new areas.
Speaker Change: Secondly, you asked about all the new features coming in 5G advanced with SA, massive MIMO. All of that is just expanding our capacity and bringing even more opportunities for us for revenue and seeing that we create the customer expectations on the best network in the nation. And we're just in the beginning of that, so I'm very pleased with what I see. The team is running as fast as it can, and we get good feedback on CBAN.
Hans Vestberg: And the same trend is again, as we saw in the beginning, where we have better upgrades, lower churn, where we have C band, and, of course, also getting fixed wireless access opportunities. The same goes for when we are enhancing or continuing to new areas. And we're just in the beginning of that.
Hans Vestberg: So I'm very pleased with what I see. The team is running as fast as it can, and we get good feedback on C band. Tony?
Tony Skiadas: Yeah, thanks, Hans. So just a couple other points. On C band, we're seeing good improvements in churn, three basis points. On gross ads, we see about nine basis points of growth at gross ad strength. And as we deploy in suburban and rural, gross ads are up threefold in those markets. And then the premium mix continues to be stronger as well, up about 10%. And we do have now, at this point, nearly 60% of our plant sites are now deployed with C band, so we are really making really good progress.
Tony: Yeah, thanks, Hans. So just a couple other points. On CBAN, we're seeing good improvements in insurance rebates as points. On gross ads, we see about nine basis points growth ad strength. And as we deploy suburban and rural, gross ads are up threefold in those markets.
Tony: Newsreel. And then premium mix continues to be stronger as well, up about 10%. And we do have now at this point nearly 60% of our plant sites are now deployed with SeedBand, so really making really good progress.
Tony Skiadas: I'm assuming you need stand-alone to enable some of these AI MEC applications you're talking about, and I could be wrong about that, but any update on the timing of when stand-alone gets deployed nationwide? And do you have any of these AI, you know, slash MEC applications that are up and running now?
Speaker Change: And I'm assuming you need standalone to enable some of these AI mech applications you're talking about. And I could be wrong about that. But any upgrade on the timing of when standalone gets deployed nationwide? And do you have any of these AI, you know, slash mech applications that are up and running now? Thanks.
Hans Vestberg: So, we can do mobile edge compute without SA. We have done that for five years. Then there are some efficiencies, especially in private networks and deployment with SA. But again, you need a full ecosystem all the way from the devices and the network features and the core in order to do that. So, it's a little bit of holistic thinking again when we work it out, but we can already deliver that right now.
Speaker Change: So, we can do mobile edge compute without SA. We have done that for five years. Then there are some efficiencies on specially private networks and deployment with SA. But again, you need a full ecosystem all the way from the devices and the network features and the core in order to do that. So, it's a little bit of a holistic thinking again when we work it, but we can already deliver that right now.
Hans Vestberg: When it comes to AI in our mobile edge compute, we don't have that for our customers right now, but we are in the conversation with many of both the cloud players as well as enterprises about doing that when they have commercial products and not only training large language modules.
Speaker Change: When it comes to AI in our mobile edge compute, we don't have that to our customers right now, but the conversation with many of both the cloud players as well as enterprises of doing that when they have commercial products
Hans Vestberg: And that's how we designed our network, so that's why I'm excited about it. At the same time, we already have four Gen AI products in the market that are deployed on 40,000 agents in all our stores, et cetera, personalization, more efficiency for customer and employee experience. And we see a great opportunity for that. So, there are multiple opportunities with AI for us, and we have been working on it for a long time. Great. Thank you. Thanks, Tim. Brett, we're ready for the next question.
Speaker Change: and not only training large language modules.
Speaker Change: And that's how we designed our network, so that's why I'm excited over it.
Speaker Change: At the same time, we already have...
Speaker Change: [inaudible]
Operator: The next question comes from Walter Piecyk of Lightshed. Your line is open. Thanks, Tony. I think in your prepared remarks, you referenced the voluntary separation program in June. I wonder if you can give us a sense of, I mean, I know you've done these in the past, the potential EBITDA benefit, and just remind us what this does result in, like, nine, I guess, one-time charges relative to the severance or the separation payments that are made and just kind of quantify that a bit if you can. Sure. Hi Walt.
Brad Ray: Great. Thank you. Thanks, Tim. Brett, we're ready for the next question. The next question comes from Walter Piecyk of LightShed. Your line is open, sir.
Walter Paul Piecyk: Thanks. Tony, I think in the prepared remarks you referenced voluntary separation program in June . I wonder if you can give us a sense of, I mean I know you've done these in the past, potential EBITDA benefit.
Walter Paul Piecyk: And just remind us, does this result like in non, I guess, one-time charges relative to the severance or the separation payments that are made? And just kind of quantify that a bit if you can.
Tony Skiadas: So a couple things. We announced the program in early June for a portion of our workforce, but the process is not going to be fully completed until the back end of August.
Tony: Sure. Hi, Walt. So a couple of things. We announced the program in early June for a portion of our workforce. The process is not going to be fully completed until the back end of August , so I don't have numbers at this point. It was contemplated in our full year guide.
Tony Skiadas: So I don't have numbers at this point, but it was contemplated in their full-year guide, and we do expect to see savings towards the back end of 2024 and into 2025. And we'll come back with disclosures on the program once it's finalized. We'll file a case similar to how we did it last time. Okay, and then Hans.
Tony: And we do expect to see savings towards the back end of 2024 and into 2025. And we'll come back with disclosures on the program once it's finalized. We'll file on a case similar to how we did it last time.
Hans Vestberg: It's not a reported number, but you can kind of calculate what wholesale revenue looks like. And we know who the principal driver of that is. It seemed like that was kind of strong this quarter sequentially. I don't know if there's some seasonality there, but I'm looking at last year and the year before.
Hans: Okay. And then, Hans...
Speaker Change: It's not a reported number, but you can kind of calculate what wholesale revenue looks like. And we know who the principal driver of that is. It seemed like that was kind of strong this quarter, sequentially. I don't know if there's some seasonality there. I'm looking last year and the year before, it doesn't seem like that.
Hans Vestberg: It doesn't seem like that. So is this a good thing or a bad thing? Obviously, because it could imply stronger growth at a wholesale customer at the expense of your retail business. Can you give us a sense, in general, of your outlook for that line? There's been some discussion and debate about how some terms can change or other offloading activities can occur for that customer. So just comment on the quarter and just generally your outlook for wholesale in terms of a component of your sectors of growth, like how important is wholesale in terms of meeting the growth targets that you promised the board? I don't have any comments on the quarter or the numbers. You know, we try to have our Chinese walls here, so I don't have it.
Speaker Change: Is this a good thing or a bad thing, obviously, because it could, you know, could imply stronger growth at a wholesale customer at the expense of your retail business. And just, can you give us a sense?
Speaker Change: In general, of your outlook.
Speaker Change: For that line, there's been some, you know, some discussion and debate about
Speaker Change: You know how some terms can change or...
Speaker Change: You know, other offloading activities can occur for that customer. So just, you know, if you can comment on the corner and just generally your outlook for wholesale in terms of a
Speaker Change: Component of your, you know, your sectors of growth, like how important is wholesale in terms of meeting the growth targets that you promised the board?
Tony Skiadas: But in general, we see this partnership as important to enterprise customers. And it goes back to the strategy we have, meaning we build the networks once, and we want to have as many profitable connections on top of the network in order to get the best return on invested capital. So that's where we are. We have a good relationship with them, you know, customers, and we have many of them. And it will continue. Tony?
Speaker Change: I don't have any comments on the quarter, on the numbers, you know, we try to have our Chinese walls here, so I don't have it, but in general, we see these.
Speaker Change: Partnerships with Imported Enterprise Customers
Tony: Networks. And it goes back to the strategy we have, meaning we build the networks once and we want to have as many profitable connections on top of the network in order to get the best return on invested capital. So that's where we are. We have a good relationship with them, you know, customers, and we have many of them, and it will continue. Tony.
Tony Skiadas: Yeah, look, I mean, the, you know, it's very profitable business, Hans said, and it is a great contribution to revenue, and even consistent with the strategy to monetize the network. And we're very comfortable with the arrangements we have, but that's as far as we can go. Well, can I just pivot and just then just ask one related but, you know, kind of high-level question.
Tony: Yeah, look, I mean, the, you know, it's a very profitable business, as Hans said, and it is a great contribution to revenue, and even consistent with the strategy to monetize the network, and we're very comfortable with the arrangements we have, but that's as far as we can go.
Hans Vestberg: There's been some reports of T-Mobile doing some additional fiber asset, you know, joint partnerships. You know, if the administration changes, maybe there's opportunities for, you know, some additional vertical integration. But I guess the big question is, at least for me, how important is it in the long term for you to have a vertical solution for customers, meaning that the consumer can buy their home broadband and their wireless services from you, or, and if you're not doing that, you know, obviously outside of the Fios markets, is that a risk if others put together that vertical solution?
Speaker Change: Well, can I just pivot and just then just ask one related but, but, you know, kind of high level question. There's been some reports of T-Mobile doing some additional fiber asset, you know, joint partnerships.
Speaker Change: You know, if the administration changes, maybe there's opportunities for
Speaker Change: you know, some additional vertical integration. But I guess the big question is, at least for me,
Speaker Change: How important is it, in the long term, for you to have a vertical solution for customers? Meaning that the consumer can buy their home broadband and their wireless services.
Speaker Change #100: from you and or and if you're not doing that, you know, obviously outside of the Fios markets, is that is that a risk if others put together that vertical solution?
Hans Vestberg: We are well positioned in that area, and again, if the markets go convergent between mobility and broadband, we will be there to serve our customers, either with FIOs or fixed-wire taxes, and right now, that's working really well for us. I feel good about what our consumer division is doing in broadband and mobility at the moment with the product. We are number one in the market, so we just need to continue to keep the lead and continue to keep innovating, and I feel good about the consumer team doing that. Thank you. Yep. Thanks, Walt. The next question comes from Sam McHugh of BNP Paribas. Your line is open. Good morning, guys. Two quick questions.
Speaker Change #101: We are well positioned in that area, and again, if the markets go convergent between mobility and broadband, we will be there to serve our customers, either with FIOS or fixed wireless access.
Speaker Change #101: [inaudible]
Speaker Change #102: I feel good about what our consumer division is doing on broadband and mobility at the moment with the product. We are number one in the market, so we just need to continue to keep the lead and continue to keep innovating, and I feel good about the consumer team doing that.
Speaker Change #102: Thank you. Yep, thanks Walt. Brad, we are ready for the next question.
Speaker Change #103: The next question comes from Sam McHugh of BNP Paribas. Your line is open, sir.
Samuel McHugh: In the last few years, you've gone through quite a big reinvestment phase, I guess, in the consumer division with the launch of my plan, and the refresh of the plan this quarter. As we look out kind of the next two or three years and take a big step back, should we think you're now at a place where EBITDA can, you know, sustainably grow ahead of service revenues? I guess that's question one.
Samuel McHugh: Good morning, guys. Two quick questions.
Samuel McHugh: In the last few years, you've gone through quite a big reinvestment phase, I guess, in the consumer division with the launch of MyPlan, the refresh of the brand this quarter.
Speaker Change #104: As we look out for the next two or three years and take a big step back.
Speaker Change #105: Should we think you're now at a place where EBITDA can sustainably grow ahead of service revenues? I guess that's question one. And the second part, just a clarification, Tony, you mentioned something about 2H wireless service revenue trends versus the first half. If you wouldn't mind just repeating it, that'd be very helpful. Thank you.
Hans Vestberg: And the second part, just a clarification, Tony, you mentioned something about 2H wireless service revenue trends versus the first half. If you wouldn't mind just repeating it, that would be very helpful. When it comes to continuing to have leverage on our beta together with our service revenue, I think it's clear for us that the KPIs that we are measured on as a management team and myself are growth in service revenue, wireless service revenue expansion, as well as beta and cash flow.
Tony: When it comes to continue to have leverage on our EBITDA together with our service revenue, I think it's clear for us that the KPIs that we are measured on as a management team and me, myself, is on the growth on the service revenue, wireless service revenue expansion, as well as EBITDA and cash flow. And that's how we work, is holistically. So, yes, our goal is to see that we have the leverage on our service revenue growth right now. We have great product. We work with efficiency. There are, of course, pressures in our business, as any business.
Hans Vestberg: And that's how we work holistically. So, yes, our goal is to see that we have leverage on our service revenue growth right now. We have a great product. We work with efficiency. There are, of course, pressures in our business, as any business, but that's what we strive for. But we don't guide for 25 or something like that at this moment.
Hans Vestberg: We'll come back on that, but our work and our KPIs are set up for that. Tony?
Tony: That's what we strive for, but we don't guide for 25 or something like that at this moment. We'll come back on that, but our work and our KPIs are set up for that.
Tony: Corning
Speaker Change #106: Thanks. Hi, Sam. So on the service revenue for the second half, what we said is we expect to see sequential growth in service revenue in the second half. And when we talked about the assumptions that we had in the guide, we said, look, we had pricing actions that we've already taken, and you see that well over a billion dollars. We also said we have an improving volume profile in consumer, and you see that progress.
Tony Skiadas: Fixed Wireless Access continues to scale, and, you know, we have over $500 million now in Fixed Wireless Access revenue on a run rate of over $2 billion, and that base of business continues to grow. We also said we had headwinds in prepaid, and, you know, that's improving, and, you know, we'll see that improve as time goes on. And then, promo amortization and the promo discipline continues to be encouraging, and we say we see similar levels year over year. So, those assumptions haven't changed, and we feel really good about the performance service revenue and the momentum we have, you know, in the business heading into the second half. Awesome. Thanks, Sammy. Great. Thanks, Sam.
Speaker Change #106: Fixed wireless access continues to scale.
Speaker Change #106: We have over $500 million now in fixed wireless access revenue on a run rate of over $2 billion, and that base of business continues to grow. We also said we had headwinds in prepaid, and that's improving, and we'll see that improving as time goes on. And then programmatization and the promo discipline continues to be encouraging, and we say we see a similar level year over year. So those assumptions haven't changed, and we feel really good about the performance.
Speaker Change #106: Service Revenue, and the momentum we have in the business heading into the second half.
Operator: Brad, we have time for one last question, please. Your last question will come from Bryan Kraft of Deutsche. Your line is open. Thanks. Good morning.
Speaker Change #106: Awesome. Thanks, Sammy. Great. Thanks, Sam. Brad, we have time for one last question, please.
Speaker Change #107: Your last question will come from Bryan Kraft of Deutsche Bank.
Bryan D. Kraft: Tony, regarding free cash flow, it's up, I think, about 12 percent year-over-year in the first half. Do you anticipate being able to grow free cash flow this year, or is the year-to-date growth we've seen more a function of favorable timing in the first half, with higher CapEx and working capital usage coming in the second half? And then, Hans, you talked quite a bit about Verizon's strong position in AI and enterprise.
Speaker Change #108: Your line is open, sir.
Bryan D. Kraft: Thanks. Good morning. I have one for Tony and one for Hans. Tony, regarding free cash flow, it's up, I think, about 12 percent year over year in the first half.
Bryan D. Kraft: Do you anticipate being able to grow free cash flow this year, or is the year-to-date growth we've seen more a function of favorable timing in the first half with higher capex and working capital usage coming in the second half?
Speaker Change #110: And then Hans, you had talked quite a bit about Verizon's strong position for AI and enterprise.
Bryan D. Kraft: Is there anything you can share on what you're seeing in 5G enterprise adoption and also on the sales pipeline activity that you're seeing? Thank you. I'll start with the first one, and then I can hand it over to Tony on the cash flow. Yes. What we see is private networks continuing to grow in volume, which is a prelude. You start with a private network, then you start adding applications on it, and, of course, ultimately, you put in mobile edge compute.
Speaker Change #111: Is there anything you can share on what you're seeing in 5G enterprise adoption and also, you know, in the sales pipeline activity that you're seeing? Thank you.
Hans: I'll start with the first one and then I can hand it over to Tony on the cash flow. Yes, what we see is private networks continue to grow in volume, which is a prelude, you know. You start with a private network, then you start adding on applications on it, and of course ultimately you put in mobile edge compute.
Hans Vestberg: We have all that set up since 2018, 2019, and we are starting to see more and more business cases for logistics centers, for factories, et cetera, where we can do it. And then Gen AI will only sort of capitalize on that and do it even faster. That's going to take some time because right now, many corporations and enterprises are in the learning process, meaning they're training their data sets. So it's going to take some time, but I don't think that anyone is even close to being as well-positioned as we are in Gen AI and the Gen AI economy. Hi Bryan.
Tony: We have all that set up since 2018-2019, and we start seeing more and more business cases for logistics centers.
Tony: [inaudible]
Tony: So it's going to take some time, but I don't think that anyone is even close to be as well positioned as we are in Gen-AI and the Gen-AI economy, both for taking advantage of it efficiency-wise internally, but definitely from a revenue point of view over time.
Tony Skiadas: So on free cash flow, overall, the cash generation of the business continues to be very strong. In the first half of the year, free cash flow was $8.5 billion, up 7%. And we were able to grow cash flow in the second quarter, even with an incremental $1.7 billion in cash taxes. And, as we said in April, we expect free cash flow to have a similar shape to last year and to build throughout the year.
Speaker Change #112: Thanks. Hi, Bryan. So on free cash flow, overall, the cash generation of the business continues to be very strong. In the first half of the year, free cash flow was $8.5 billion, up 7%. And we were able to grow cash flow in the second quarter even with an incremental $1.7 billion in cash taxes. And as we said in April , we expect free cash flow to have a similar shape.
Speaker Change #112: to last year and billed throughout the year and we still see the same puts and takes on free cash flow for the full year as we described back in January and within that framework we see slightly more incremental pressure from cash taxes.
Tony Skiadas: And we still see the same puts and takes on free cash flow for the full year, as we described back in January. And within that framework, we see slightly more incremental pressure from cash taxes. And offsetting that is the lower upgrades, and we'll have to see where that goes.
Tony Skiadas: But overall, the strong position in cash flow puts us in a position to pay down debt in the second half of 2024, and we're on track to do so. Thanks very much. Yeah, great. Brad, that's all the time we have today. This concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for your participation and for using Verizon Conference Services.
Speaker Change #112: [inaudible]
Speaker Change #113: Thanks very much. Yeah, great. Brad, that's all the time we have today.
Speaker Change #114: This concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for your participation and for using Verizon Conference Services. You may now disconnect.