Q2 2024 Federal Realty Investment Trust Earnings Call
Speaker Change: Good day and welcome to the Federal Realty Investment Trust second quarter 2024 earnings call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode.
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Brenda Pomar: Thank you for joining us today for Federal Realty's second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call are Dawn Wood, Federal Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Berkes, President and Chief Operating Officer, Dan Gee, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Jan Sweetnam, Executive Vice President, Chief Investment Officer, and Wendy Seher, Executive Vice President, Eastern Region President, as well as other members of our executive team that are available to take your questions at the conclusion of our prepared remarks.
Brenda Pomar: Good evening. Thank you for joining us today for Federal Realty's second quarter 2024 earnings conference call.
Speaker Change: Joining me on the call are Dawn Wood, Federal Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Berkes, President and Chief Operating Officer, Dan Gee, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Jan Sweetnam, Executive Vice President, Chief Investment Officer, and Wendy Seher, Executive Vice President, Eastern Region President.
Speaker Change: as well as other members of our executive team that are available to take your questions at the conclusion of our prepared remarks. A reminder that certain matters discussed on this call may be deemed to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Brenda Pomar: A reminder that certain matters discussed on this call may be deemed to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include any annualized or projected information, as well as statements referring to expected or anticipated events or results, including guidance.
Forward-looking statements include any annualized or projected information, as well as statements referring to expected or anticipated events or results, including guidance.
Brenda Pomar: Although Federal Realty believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, Federal Realty's future operations and its actual performance may differ materially from the information in our forward-looking statements, and we cannot give any assurance that these expectations can be attained. The earnings release and supplemental reporting package that we issued tonight, our annual report files on Form 10-K, and our other financial disclosure documents provide a more in-depth discussion of risk factors that may affect our financial conditions and results of operations.
Speaker Change: The earnings release and supplemental reporting package that we issued tonight, our annual report files on Form 10-K , and our other financial disclosure documents provide a more in-depth discussion of risk factors that may affect our financial conditions and results of operations.
Brenda Pomar: Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question during the Q&A portion of our call. If you have additional questions, please re-queue. And with that, I will turn the call over to Dawn Wood to begin our discussion of our second quarter results.
Speaker Change: Given the number of participants on the call, we kindly ask that you limit yourselves to one question during the Q&A portion of our call.
Dawn Wood: Thanks, Brandon. Good afternoon, everyone. So here are the highlights. All-time record quarterly FFO per share at $1.69, exceeding internal expectations, analyst consensus, and a very tough comp one year ago. All-time record second-quarter comparable leasing volume at 594,000 sq. ft., within 4,000 sq.
Speaker Change: All-time record second-quarter comparable leasing volume at 594,000 square feet within 4,000 square feet of the most comparable leasing volume ever in any quarter.
Dawn Wood: ft. is the most comparable leasing volume ever in any company, and strong occupancy gains on both a leased and an occupied basis to 95.3 and 93.1, respectively, up 100 and 110 basis points, respectively from the last quarter, levels not seen since the 2017-2019 time period. Quarterly residential operating income on our stabilized, ready properties was up 6.7% versus last year, nine-and-a-half percent when including the new Darien Connecticut product By the way, the apartments at Darien Commons are 99% leased, with a waiting list to get in.
Speaker Change: quarterly residential operating income on our stabilized resi properties up 6.7% versus last year, 9.5% when including the new Gary Ann Connecticut products.
Speaker Change: By the way, the apartments at Darien Commons are 99% leased with a waiting list to get in.
Dawn Wood: Strong transactional activity in the quarter with the $215 million acquisition of Virginia Gateway and the $12 million buyout of the minority interest at Cocoa Walk, not to mention the sale of our remaining assets on 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica for $103 million. The momentum continued in July with our $60 million acquisition of Pinole Vista Crossing in Pinole, California.
Dawn Wood: Yeah, this was a very strong quarter, top to bottom, and based on what we see with our deal pipeline, this leasing environment is expected to continue for at least the balance of the year. Let me give you a little more color on leasing and its impact on our... 122 comparable deals at an average starting rent of $37.72 per foot compared with the final year in the previous lease of $34.29. 10% more rent to start, and that's. By the way, those numbers include 98% of our deals, so they are truly representative of the entire company's results.
Speaker Change: Yeah, this was a very strong quarter, top to bottom, and based on what we see with our deal pipeline, this leasing environment is expected to continue to at least the balance of the year.
Speaker Change: Let me give you a little more color on leasing and its impact on occupancy.
Speaker Change: Ten percent more rent to start next week.
Speaker Change: By the way, those numbers include 98% of our deals, so they are truly representative of the entire company's results.
Dawn Wood: But what makes that particularly impressive is that the rent on many of the previous leases has likely been growing at 3% or so over the last 5 or 10 years, and there's still room to increase the new rent to start the next 5 to 10 year cycle. It's actually 23% more on a straight-line basis because of those very important contractual bumps. Contractual rent bumps on all of our commercial deals done this quarter averaged 2.4% and sit at roughly 2.25% portfolio-wide, very likely the best in the industry. This isn't new to us.
Speaker Change: But what makes that particularly impressive is that the rent on many of the previous leases has likely been growing at 3% or so over the last 5 or 10 years, and there's still room to increase the new rent to start the next 5 to 10 year cycle.
Speaker Change: It's actually 23% more on a straight line basis because of those very important contractual bumps.
Speaker Change: Contractual rent bumps on all of our commercial deals done this quarter averaged 2.4% and sit at roughly 2.25% portfolio-wide. Very likely the best portfolio-wide in the business.
Dawn Wood: It's why in the last 20 years, this company has grown its bottom line earnings 18 of them, with only the great financial crisis and the global pandemic being a momentary setback in this second quarter. 2.2 year-over-year growth is muted, largely due to the bed-bath stores. They were all still open in the second quarter of last year. Yet we still expect full-year growth over 2023 to be right at the top of the second. Compare FFO for share growth over the past 1, 3-year, 5-year, 10-year, and 20-year periods against any other large retail portfolio that has a long history, and you'll see why we're so committed to our way of doing it. The impact on occupancy on both a leased and fiscal basis has been steady and impressive over the last three years, but never more so than this quarter.
Speaker Change: This is new for us.
Speaker Change: The impact on occupancy on both a leased and physical basis has been steady and impressive over the last three years but never more so than this quarter.
Dawn Wood: Both Small Shop and Anchor Occupancy Growth stood out. In the 2024 second quarter, we picked up 100 basis points in overall lease percentage, bringing it to 95.3. Great result thanks to record-setting leasing volumes, the acquisition of a well-leased Virginia Gateway, the sale of a less well-leased 3rd Street Promenade, and the planned redevelopment of places like Andorra Shopping Center. Our anchor lease percentage gained 90 basis points alone since last quarter. It currently sits at 96.7%.
Speaker Change: Both Small Shop and Anchor occupancy growth stood out.
Speaker Change: In the 2024 second quarter, we picked up 100 basis points in overall lease percentage, bringing it to 95.3.
Speaker Change: Our anchor lease percentage gained 90 basis points alone since last quarter and sits at 96.7%. There's another 100 plus basis points to come here.
Dawn Wood: There are another 100-plus basis points to come. Let me talk for a moment or two about the transactions this quarter, starting with the sale of the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica. First of all, what a great investment this has been for the trust over the past 25 years. 13% unlevered IRR over that period and a springboard for this company into relationships with a type of tenant that benefited every mixed-use and lifestyle-oriented project we did.
Speaker Change: Let me talk for a moment or two about the transactions this quarter, starting with the sale of the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica.
Speaker Change: First of all, what a great investment this has been for the trust over the past 25 years.
Speaker Change: a 13% unlevered IRR over that period, and a springboard for this company into relationships with a type of tenant that benefited every mixed-use and lifestyle-oriented project we did.
Dawn Wood: Over the past few years, we lost confidence in the future income growth there for a host of reasons and sold it to a local developer for $103 million, on in $20 million when including a one-off sale there late last year. Reinvesting those proceeds in a dynamic asset like Virginia Gateway with far more future growth possibilities seemed like a no-brainer. We've spoken about Virginia Gateway at various events and meetings over the past couple of months, so I won't use this time to repeat it.
Speaker Change: Over the past few years, we lost confidence in the future income growth there for a host of reasons and sold to a local developer for $103 million, on in $20 million when including a one-off sale there late last year.
Dawn Wood: Suffice it to say, our Virginia Management and Development team is all over it and excited to have the new raw material to create significant value over the next few years through release and selective placemaking and redevelopment. And earlier this week, we closed on the acquisition of Canola Business Shopping Center in Northern California for $60 million, which will generate an initial cash-on-cash return in the low sevens and will grow from there. This dominant 216,000 square foot grocery-anchored regional shopping center sits on 19 acres and was purchased at $277 a foot. Not bad.
Speaker Change: And earlier this week, we closed on the acquisition of Pinole Business Shopping Center in Northern California for $60 million, which will generate an initial cash-on-cash return in the low sevens and will grow from there.
Dawn Wood: Center fits in nicely with our West Coast portfolio, complementing Crow Canyon Commons and East Bay Bridge in the East Bay. It will be managed from our West Coast headquarters at St. Hatteras. We're not done on the acquisitions front either. Lease-up at Santana West continues with a newly signed deal with an AI-powered cloud database provider for 24,000 square feet on the first floor of the state-of-the-art building. Active negotiations with other prospective tenants for much of the remainder of the building should enable us to continue to report on new deals.
Speaker Change: The Center fits in nicely with our West Coast portfolio, complementing Crow Canyon Commons and East Bay Bridge in the East Bay, and will be managed from our West Coast headquarters at Santana Road.
Speaker Change: Lisa Paz-Santana West continues.
Speaker Change: with a newly signed deal with an AI-powered cloud database provider for 24,000 square feet on the first floor of the state-of-the-art building. Active negotiations with other prospective tenants for much of the remainder of the building should enable us to continue to report on new deals.
Dawn Wood: And in Lower Marion Township outside Philadelphia, the long-standing Old Lord and Taylor Building at our Bellickinwood Shopping Center has been fully demolished, and construction is underway on our $95 million residential development of 217 apartments with ground floor retail that will be integrated with and complementary to one of Federal's most successful shopping malls. We expect a 7% stabilized yield.
Speaker Change: and the Lower Marion Township outside Philadelphia.
Speaker Change: The long-standing Old Lord and Taylor Building at our Belle of Kenwood Shopping Center has been fully demolished.
Speaker Change: and construction is underway on our $95 million residential development of 217 apartments with ground floor retail.
Speaker Change: that will be integrated with and complementary to one of Federal's most successful shopping centers.
Dawn Wood: It's nice to see that development economics can still work in the right place. It might be interesting to know that, in addition to Ballotken, we have over 3,700 residential units with active design or entitlements in process at a dozen of our existing accounts. As construction costs continue to stabilize, as they've been doing, and rents continue to rise with inflation, as they've been doing, these projects are getting closer and closer to retirement.
Speaker Change: We expect a 7% stabilized yield here. It's nice to see that development economics can still work in the right locations.
Speaker Change: It might be interesting to know that in addition to Bellekenwood, we have over 3,700 residential units with active design or entitlements in process at a dozen of our existing assets.
Speaker Change: As construction costs continue to stabilize, as they've been doing, and rents continue to rise with inflation, as they've been doing, these projects are getting closer and closer to pension. Stay tuned.
Dawn Wood: Stay tuned. By the way, for those New Yorkers listening who may have reason to be out on Long Island around Huntington, please stop by our completely redeveloped and reimagined Huntington Shopping Center, where the brand-new Whole Foods opened just last week and joined a new cadre of tenants, including REI, Ulta, new dining alternatives, and others.
Speaker Change: completely redeveloped and reimagined Huntington Shopping Center
Speaker Change: where the brand new Whole Foods opened just last week and joined a new cadre of tenants including REI, Ulta, New Dining Alternatives, and others set in a beautifully landscaped, comfortable setting that really represents the best of federal realty thinking and execution.
Dawn Wood: Set in a beautifully landscaped, comfortable setting, it really represents the best of federal realty thinking and execution. The $85 million comprehensive redevelopment was brought in on time and on budget. The before and after effect is pretty striking.
Speaker Change: The $85 million comprehensive redevelopment brought in on time and on budget.
Dawn Wood: Huntington Shopping Center is now a worthy, grocery-anchored, open-air compliment to Simon's powerful Walt Whitman Mall. You know, as I was finishing up these prepared remarks earlier in the week, I was reading them to the senior team in preparation for this call. Our president, Jeff Berkes, sat back reflectively and commented as to how significant the results of our capital allocation decisions have been over the past 90 to 120 days given the relative size of this company.
Speaker Change: The before-and-after effect is pretty striking. Huntington Shopping Center is now a worthy, grocery-anchored, open-air complement to Simon's powerful Walt Whitman Mall next door.
Speaker Change: You know, as I was finishing up these prepared remarks earlier in the week, I was reading them to the senior team in preparation for this call.
Dawn Wood: Collectively, they're meaningful, and they move the needle on a 102-property portfolio. I mean, between Virginia Gateway and Pinole, we've made nearly 900,000 square feet of acquisitions, deploying $275 million of capital at a 7-plus percent yield. We've completed a comprehensive and transformational $85 million redevelopment in Huntington, New York, begun a new $95 million mixed-use development in Bella, and freed up $103 million of underperforming capital with the Third Street Promenade, all while executing 124 total leases for over 600,000 square feet of commercial space, cementing future growth.
Speaker Change: is right. Collectively, they're meaningful and they move the needle in a 102-property portfolio.
Speaker Change: I mean, between Virginia Gateway and Pinole, we've made nearly 900,000 square feet of acquisitions deploying $275 million of capital at a 7-plus percent yield.
Dawn Wood: I'd say the future looks bright. That's all I wanted to cover in my prepared remarks this afternoon, so I'll turn it over to Dan to provide more granularity before opening it up to your questions. Thank you, Dawn, and hello, everyone.
Speaker Change: That's all I wanted to cover in my prepared remarks this afternoon, so I'll turn it over to Dan to provide more granularity before opening it up to your questions.
Dan Gee: A reported FFO per share, $1.69 for the second quarter, came in at the top of our quarterly guidance range of $1.63 to $1.75. This result was against a tough second quarter 2023 comp, which was our previous record for quarterly inflation. Highlighting the overall strength and operating fundamentals across the portfolio, primary drivers for the strong performance. Simply P.O.I.
Speaker Change: Order came in at the top of our quarterly guidance range of $1.63 to $1.69.
Dan: Highlighting the overall strength and operating fundamentals across the portfolio.
Dan Gee: The Group and our comparable portfolio, driven by strong property level expense controls, acceleration in our occupancy levels, and continued strength in our residential portfolio. Comparable POI growth, excluding the impact of prior period rent and term fees, was 2.9%. Now that's gas.
Dan: primary drivers for the strong performance
Dan: Simply POI Group in our comparable portfolio driven by strong property level expense controls, acceleration in our occupancy levels, and continued strength in our residential portfolio.
Dan: Comparable POI growth, excluding the impact of prior period rent and term fees, was 2.9%. Now that's GAAP.
Dan Gee: 3.1% on a cash basis. Both numbers are above our expectations for the period, and you will see a revision upward in guidance as a result. Comparable total property revenues were up 3.1%, with comparable minimum rents up 2.7% on a gap basis and 2.9% on a cash basis. These results are interesting when you keep in mind that DebtBeyond was in possession of largely paying rent throughout the second quarter of the year. Portfolio occupancy increased in the quarter to 95.3% leased and 93.1% occupied.
Speaker Change: It's 3.1% on a cash basis.
Speaker Change: Portfolio occupancy increased in the quarter to 95.3% leased and 93.1% occupied. Both metrics, over 100 basis points, increased since March 31.
Dan Gee: Both metrics, over 100 basis points, increased since March 31. As a result, rents from signed leases not yet occupied in the existing portfolio stayed elevated at $26 million, with an additional $13 million of rent to come online from leases signed in the non-competition. Also note that we continue to have a robust leasing pipeline with a significant amount of booms being negotiated for currently vacant space, and with a tenant watch list that is minimal given our lack of exposure to troubled tenants and our proven ability to get tenants open and rent paying through a tenant coordination team that is second to none, we expect our current spread between leased and occupied to move toward our target of 125 basements over the quarters ahead.
Speaker Change: As a result, rents from signed leases not yet occupied in the existing portfolio stayed elevated at $26 million, with an additional $13 million of rent to come online from leases signed in a non-comparable time frame.
Bob Barker: and Bob Barker.
Speaker Change: Also note that we continue to have a robust leasing pipeline with a significant amount of booms being negotiated for currently vacant space.
Bob Barker: With a tenant watch list that is minimal given our lack of exposure to troubled tenants and our proven ability to get tenants open and rent paying through a tenant coordination team that is second to none, we expect our current spread between leased and occupied to move toward our target of 125 basis points.
Dan Gee: As we stood last quarter, we are extremely well positioned again to drive our occupancy metrics over the balance of the year and have increased our targeted year-end occupancy level to roughly 93.5%. Strength in leasing from a rollover and contractual rent loan perspective, with 10% cash rollover and 2.4% blended increases from combined anchor and small shop leases, resulted in a straight-line lease rollover of 23% and net effective straight-line rollover after capitalization of 15%. Highlights are ongoing, focused on controlling the pen and capital.
Bob Barker: over the quarters ahead.
Bob Barker: As we stood last quarter, we are extremely well positioned, again, to drive our occupancy metrics over the balance of the year, and have increased our targeted year-end occupancy level to roughly 93.5%.
Bob Barker: To strengthen leasing from a rollover and contractual rent bug perspective.
Bob Barker: with 10% cash rollover and 2.4% blended increases from combined anchor and small shop leases.
Dan Gee: Now to the balance sheet and an update on our liquidity. Given roughly $700 million of successful refinancing activity to start 2024, we have no material maturities until 2020. We stand with about $1.3 billion of available liquidity from our $1.25 billion credit facility and net cash on hand.
Bob Barker: which highlights our ongoing focus on controlling pen and capital.
Bob Barker: Now to the balance sheet and an update on our liquidity position.
Dan Gee: This liquidity stands against redevelopment and expansion spend remaining of only $65 million for the balance of 2024 and only $205 million remaining to spend on our needle-moving $850 million in-process redevelopment and expansion pipeline. Completion of the sale of 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica for $103 million, access to the equity markets, and the acquisition of Virginia Gateway and buyout of our partners at CocoaWalk, along with meaningful growth in EBITDA. Our leverage metrics at June 30 continue to show improvement. 2Q Annualized Net Debt Debit Died decreased to 5.8 times that metric targeted to improve over the course of 2024 and reach the mid-fives in 2025. Fixed charge coverage increased to 3.6 times for the quarter.
Bob Barker: This liquidity stands against redevelopment and expansion spend remaining of only $65 million for the balance of 2024 and only $205 million remaining to spend on our needle-moving, $850 million in-process redevelopment and expansion pipeline.
Bob Barker: 2Q Annualized Net Debt Debit Dies decreased to 5.8 times that metric targeted to improve over the course of 2024 and reach the mid fives in 2025.
Dan Gee: That metric should also improve as incremental EBITDA continues to come online. With respect to guidance, with a solid first two quarters behind us and tenant demand continuing at a stronger pace than expected, we are raising our 2024 FFO guidance from $677 per share at the midpoint to $679, with a range refined upwards to $6.70 to $6.88.
Bob Barker: Fixed charge coverage increased to 3.6 times for the quarter. That metric should also improve as incremental EBITDA continues to come online.
Bob Barker: And with respect to guidance, with a solid first two quarters behind us and tenant demand continuing at a stronger pace than expected, we are raising our 2024 FFO guidance from $677 per share at the midpoint to $679.
Bob Barker: with a range refined upwards to $6.70 to $6.88.
Dan Gee: This represents 3.7% bottom-line FFO growth at the midpoint and 5% at the upper end of the range. This is strong growth in the face of a higher interest rate environment that faced us in both 2022 and again here in 2023 and again here in 2024. This upward revision implies over 5% FFO growth at the midpoint in the second half of 2020. This upward revision is driven by stronger underlying portfolio performance than expected, as occupancy metrics outperform expectations, as well as the acquisition of Virginia Gateway and Old Vista Crossing, combined with the sale of Santa Monica, which only provides modest net accretion this year but will contribute more fully in 2025. Our guidance reflects only these three transactions.
Bob Barker: This represents 3.7% bottom line FFO growth at the midpoint and 5% at the upper end of the range.
Bob Barker: This upward revision implies over 5% FFO growth at the midpoint in the second half of 2024.
Bob Barker: This upward revision is driven by stronger underlying portfolio performance than expected.
Bob Barker: As occupancy metrics outperform expectations, as well as the acquisition of Virginia Gateway and Old Vista Crossing, combined with the sale of Santa Monica,
Dan Gee: As a reminder, prospective acquisitions and dispositions will be reflected in our guidance when completed. We are also revising our Comparable Growth Outlook. Upward comparable growth, excluding prior period rents and term fees, is revised to 3-4%, 3.5% at the mid-term. However, we are leaving our comparable growth outlook, as is, at 2.25% to 3.5%, given term fees year-to-date have lagged. As such, we are adjusting downward our assumption for term fees from $4-$7 million to $4-$6 million, as well as our assumption for G&A expenses down to $48-$51 million.
Bob Barker: Our guidance reflects only these three transactions. As a reminder, respective acquisitions and dispositions will be reflected in our guidance when completed.
Bob Barker: Upward comparable growth excluding prior period rents and term fees is revised to 3-4%, 3.5% at the midpoint.
Bob Barker: We are leaving our comparable growth outlook as is at 2.25% to 3.5% given term fees year-to-date have lagged.
Bob Barker: As such, we are adjusting downward our assumption for term fees from $4 to $7 million to $4 to $6 million, as well as our assumption for G&A spends down to $48 to $51 million.
Dan Gee: While leasing progress continues both at 1 Santana West and 915 Meeting Street, none of this incremental activity is expected to impact our forecast for 2024. However, we will see the benefit in 2025. More to come on that outlook overall as the year progresses, as additional leases get signed, and clarity on delivery dates becomes more evident. We are maintaining our expected credit reserve of 70 to 90 basis points, and all other guidance assumptions can be found outlined on page 27 of our agenda.
Bob Barker: While leasing progress continues both at 1 Santana West and 915 Meeting Street, none of this incremental activity is expected to impact our forecast for 2024.
Bob Barker: We are maintaining our expected credit reserve of 70 to 90 basis points, and all other guidance assumptions can be found outlined on page 27 of our aid kit.
Dan Gee: Now before we go to Q&A, let me highlight that yet again, Federal Realty's Board of Directors has declared an increase in its quarterly common dividend per share to $1.10, or $4.40 per share on an annualized basis, which represents the 57th consecutive year we've increased the dividend and Reed Industry Records. We stand as the only...
Speaker Change: Before we go to Q&A, let me highlight that yet again, Federal Realty's Board of Directors has declared an increase in its quarterly common dividend per share to $1.10, or $4.40 per share on an annualized basis.
Bob Barker: which represents the 57th consecutive year we've increased the dividend.
Operator: I am pleased to announce that I will be retiring from my position as a dividend king, which signifies 50 or more consecutive years of annual dividend increases. Our 57-year record serves as a testament to our commitment to delivering a stable, growing cash flow stream for our commentary. And with that, operator, we're going to open up the line for questions. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press stars and 1 on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the key.
Bob Barker: The REIT industry record, we stand as the only REIT with the status as a Dividend King which signifies 50 or more consecutive years of annual dividend increases.
Speaker Change: for our common shareholders.
Operator: To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. And we kindly ask that you please limit yourself to one question and may re-queue for additional questions. And our first question today will come from Juan Sanabria with BMO. Please go ahead. Hi, thank you for the time.
Dawn Wood: Just hoping, Dawn, you could talk a little bit more about the acquisition environment. Has the quality of assets you're looking for changed? I think before you're focused on kind of larger assets with less competition. And just general pricing expectations, a great success year to date, but have cap rates come in at all, or is that low 7% still kind of the bogeyman that we should have in the back of our minds? Yeah, no, Juan, it's a very fair question.
Dawn Wood: You know, we talked earlier in the year about a window and being able to jump through the window when the arbitrage kind of makes sense. I can tell you that if we signed up Virginia Gateway today, it would be more expensive than what we bought it at, crystal clear, so they have come in a little bit, as you would expect with assumptions of interest rates overall coming down. I mean, there's nothing more sensitive than that.
Bob Barker: Crystal clear.
Jeff Berkes: Yet still, we've got some things working in the hopper that look like they could make some sense. Again, whether we close them or not, I don't know. But yeah, absolutely, you should assume that there's a direct correlation between the product that's available out there and what the cost of money is. So frankly, the ones that we've built and made so far, where we hit that window right on, I'm feeling great about those two in terms of the others that we were looking at now, still assume around the same places, maybe inside a little bit, but, you know, let's see what happens with interest rates in the rest of the year with respect to how much product is available.
Speaker Change: that there's a direct correlation between the product that's available out there and what the cost of money is.
Jeff Berkes: Great, and then just, you mentioned kind of incremental leasing at Santana; just curious, kind of where that is leased today, and if there's been any update from Splunk and Cisco, and how we should think about capitalized interest and 25 with the leasing progress you've made to date for that specific asset. John, do you want to take that?
Speaker Change: You mentioned incremental leasing at Santana. I'm just curious where that is leased today, if there's been any update from Splunk and Cisco, and how we should think about capitalized interest?
Speaker Change: and 25 with the leasing progress you've made to date for that specific asset.
Jeff Berkes: Yeah, sure. So, Juan, this leasing at Santana West with this new AI-based tech company is going to bring us well above 50%. We have letters of intent. We're working back and forth, actually pretty rapidly right now, with about another 70,000 square feet of demand there. We may not be able to sign all of them, we'll see, but I would think that we'll start to get pretty well leased up by the end of the year, beginning of the first quarter of next year.
Speaker Change: John, you want to take that? Yeah, sure.
John: It's going to bring us well above 50%. We have letters of intent. We're working back and forth, actually pretty rapidly right now.
John: with about another 70,000 square feet of demand there. You know, we may not be able to sign all of them, we'll see, but...
Jeff Berkes: So, we're seeing pretty good activity. Smaller tenants, we're breaking floors, and that's where we're seeing really, really strong demand. And no update whatsoever on Cisco or Splunk or what their plans are. That at least still weighs on us, and we'll have to see what comes next.
Speaker Change: And that's where we're seeing really, really strong demand. And no update whatsoever on Cisco or Splunk or what their plans are. That at least still weighs off, and we'll have to see what comes with that.
Dan Gee: And with regard to capitalized interest, with regard to 2025, we have no change in terms of the kind of outlook. I think we're getting better clarity, but I think we still need more things to fall in place before we'll provide any guidance on that front. And our next question will come from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Dawn Wood: Thanks for taking my question. You previously talked about adding about 100 basis points of small shop occupancy this year, and I believe 200 on Anchor. I think you're already there on small shop and pretty close on Anchor. Can you give us an update on your perspective about where you may end the year on occupancy? Yeah, I expected this question, Dori, because we blew through our assumptions with respect to what we assumed. You know, as I said, I still think there's another 100 basis points or so to go before Anchor, but I don't think it's this year.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Dori Kesten: Thanks for taking my question. You previously talked about adding about 100 basis points of small shop occupancy this year and I believe 200 on anchor and I think you're already there on small shop and pretty close on anchor. Can you give us an update on your perspective about where you may end the year on occupancy?
Dory: Yeah, I expected this question, Dori, because, yeah, we blew through our assumptions that with respect to what we assumed. You know, as I said...
John: I still think there's another 100 basis points or so to go more on Anchor. I don't think it's this year. I think it's between, you know, it's by the end of 2025, effectively there on Small Shop Man.
Dawn Wood: I think it's between, you know, it's by the end of 2025, effectively there, on Small Shop Man. There might be a little bit more to go there, too, which I was not expecting to be able to say, but the pipeline really looks very strong. So, that's all good news. I don't know if I have a number for you.
Dan Gee: No, no. I mean, in my prepared remarks, I highlighted that we've revived our targeted year-end occupancy level to roughly 93 and a half percent. You know, that's a ballpark estimate and obviously dependent upon, you know, how quickly we can get folks open in terms of what deals we've got already in place. And our next question will come from Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please go ahead. Good afternoon.
Speaker Change: So, that's all good news. I don't know if I have a number for you. No, no. I mean, in my prepared remarks, I highlighted that we've revised upward our targeted urine occupancy level to roughly 93.5%.
Speaker Change: That's a ballpark estimate, and obviously dependent upon how quickly we can get folks open in terms of what deals we've got already executed.
Dan Gee: Thanks a lot for taking my question. Steam property NOI slows sequentially in the quarter, though presumably that reflects the more difficult comparison. You know, just given the guidance that applies, like return steam property NOI growth back to that like mid to high 3% range, but can you just talk a little bit about the assumptions of how you get there? Is that right that we're getting back to kind of that mid to high 3% range and just kind of like outline some of the expectations of how you get there through the back half of the year?
Speaker Change: Good afternoon. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Same property NOI slows sequentially in the quarter, though presumably that reflects the more difficult comparison. You know, just given the guidance that applies, like a return.
Speaker Change: The same property, NOI, goes back to that mid to high 3% range. Can you just talk a little bit about the assumptions of how you get there? Is that right that we're getting back to that mid to high 3% range?
Speaker Change: Outline some of the expectations on how you get there through the back half of the year. Thanks.
Dan Gee: Sure, I think it's really going to be driven by occupancy. It was a little back-end of the quarter weighted in terms of move-ins, so we didn't see, I think, fully the strength in occupancy growth during the quarter, and so we'll see that more fully in the third quarter, and I think we expect to be kind of in the mid to upper threes in the second half of the year. I think it's not a big stretch just assuming occupancy rates are elevated in the second half of the year. And our next question will come from Steve Sakwa with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: And I think we expect to be kind of in the mid to upper threes in the second half of the year. I think it's not a big stretch just assuming occupancy rates are elevated.
Speaker Change: in the second half of the year.
Dan Gee: Douglas Goldstein, CFP®, is the director of Profile Investment Services and the host. Yeah, look, I think that, you know, we outline on our guidance page all the different factors that can get us to the upper end and the lower end. I think occupancy is a big driver to get us towards the top of the range. You know, I think other things that are on there, whether it be other revenue, whether it be parking or percentage rent, you know, are probably kind of more middle of the road in terms of what our expectations have been this year so far.
Speaker Change: Yeah, look, I think that, you know, we outline on our guidance page, I think all the different factors that can get us to the upper end and the lower end. I think occupancy is a big driver to get us towards the top.
Speaker Change: You know are probably kind of more middle-of-the-road in terms of what our expectations have been this year so far Term fees will lag Based upon where we are this year because tenants candidly
Dan Gee: Term fees will lag based upon where we are this year because tenants candidly, I really don't want to get space back, so that's going to end up coming in probably closer to the bottom of our...uh, given where we sit today, you know, and I think we also have a very conservative approach to revenue recognition, in terms of, and some of it's just timing, timing of when cash-based tenants pay, and that can And it's also, I think, a big driver of getting us to the top of the range again is really how successful we can be in continuing to get tenants open on time or ahead of time and beating our rent commencement dates. It's going to be critical from that perspective.
Speaker Change: Given where we sit today, you know, and I think we also, look, we have a very conservative approach to revenue recognition.
Speaker Change: in terms of, and some of it's just timing. Timing of when cash is being suspended to pay, and that can cause some swings between quarters and so forth, so that's part of it. And it's also, I think, a big driver of getting us to the top of the range again is really.
Speaker Change: You know, how successful we can be in continuing to get tenants open.
Speaker Change: on time or ahead of time and beating our rent commencement dates is going to be critical from that perspective. And then to a certain degree is
Dan Gee: And then to a certain degree, how many, we do have some floating rate exposure, to get us further up, do we have one, do we have two, do we have three rate cuts? I mean, I think that's probably going to be more impactful next year, but also that's a little bit of a stretch. And our next question will come from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: How many, we do have some floating rate exposure, to get us further up, do we have one, do we have two, do we have three rate cuts? I think that's probably going to be more impactful next year, but also that's a little bit of a swing.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Greg Mcginniss: Hey, good evening.
Wendy Seher: Based on the Retailer Guide and Sales Grosses are under some pressure, and there's plenty of anecdotes out there about challenges facing the lower end consumer and potentially inching up the socioeconomic ladder as well. Uh, are you seeing any of this leak into tenant conversations or willingness to be taking new space right now, or do retailers just seem either immune or they don't care that this is happening? Yeah, Ed. Greg, it's Wendy
Speaker Change: Based on retailer guidance, it appears tenant sales growth is under some pressure, and there's plenty of anecdotes out there about challenges facing the lower-end consumer and potentially inching up the socioeconomic ladder as well.
Speaker Change: Are you seeing any of this leak into tenant conversations or willingness to be taking new space right now or do retailers just seem either immune or they don't care that this is happening?
Wendy Seher: We are not seeing that diminish in any way the leasing demand that we're seeing across our various different product types, so I think if you look at the tenants that are in our portfolio, that lower-end tenant that's sensitive, whether it's Dollar Tree or Party City or some of those tenants that are, Even McDonald's, they just came out with some varied reports on the consumer and their impact on that lower-end consumer. So we are not seeing that.
Ed: Yeah, Ed.
Wendy: Greg, it's Wendy. We are not seeing that diminish in any way the leasing demand that we're seeing over our various different product types.
Speaker Change: So I think if you look at the tenants that are in our portfolio, that lower end tenant that's sensitive, whether it's Dollar Tree or Party City or some of those tenants that are
Ed: Even McDonald's, they just came out with some varied reports on the consumer and their impact on that lower-end consumer. So, we are not seeing that. In fact, we are having discussions with Starbucks.
Wendy Seher: In fact, we were having discussions with Starbucks the other day, and they've had some mixed results that you saw come out. I was looking at all of our 40-some locations that we have with them, and we're not seeing any impact on their sales because our demographic in our markets is more of that affluent, upper-end demographic. So, there is some fatigue showing in the $6 latte, but not so much in our markets. And our next question will come from Alexandra Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Ed: The other day, and you know, they've had some mixed results that you saw come out, and...
Speaker Change: I was looking at all of our 40-some locations that we have with them, and we're not seeing any impact on their sales, because our demographic in our markets is more of that affluent, upper-end demographic.
Ed: There is some fatigue showing in the $6.00 latte, but not so much in our market.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Alexandra Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Dawn Wood: Hey, I'm not sure it's up in my name today, but it's Alexander still got a question for you on new supply. Yeah, we keep hearing the same thing, which is that rents would have to be 35 50% higher to justify. New supply and Mass.
Ed: Hey, I'm not sure it's up in my name today, but it's Alexander still.
Alexander: We keep hearing the same thing, which is that rents would have to be 35-50% higher to justify new supply and mass. But I'm just curious, as you guys look at redevelopment and
Dawn Wood: So I'm just curious, as you guys look at redevelopment and, you know, taking down portions of centers, and rebuilding, are you looking at the same rent map needed to do basic redevelopment? And if not, what explains the significant difference in rent needed to pencil between new supply and, you know, redevelopment? Yeah, no, Alex, you're, and I'm not calling you Alexandra, by the way. You're Alex to me, buddy.
Speaker Change: Yeah, no, Alex, you're... and I'm not calling you Alexandra, by the way. You're Alex to me, buddy. You know, you've got a couple of things to think about, including construction costs.
Dawn Wood: You know, you've got a couple of things to think about, including construction. And let me start with that, because it has been a long time since we've seen pressure on construction prices coming down, and we are starting to see that. Now, whether that's actually the cost of things like lumber, which is under pressure, certainly, to come down given the lack of housing starts, whether it's the lack of work so that developers profit; they're more willing to take less profit, there are incremental changes there that are very important to this, you know, to the whole equation.
Speaker Change: And let me start with that, because that is the first thing that...
Speaker Change: It's been a long time since we've seen pressure.
Dawn Wood: And then when you come to the rents and what rents are needed, it obviously not only depends on the starting rent, but it definitely depends on where you see your growth. And particularly when we're talking about a number of the things that we would redevelop, in particular, we have got a lot of residential stuff that would be added to our existing properties, you know, like, like ballot. And so you're, you're, we're sitting there saying, there, you clearly know that there is, there's, you know, more housing needed throughout the country globally. And when you're sitting, you add them to mixed use or to shopping centers to create more of a mixed use environment there.
Ed: You know, to the whole equation.
Speaker Change: And then when you come to the rents and what rents are needed, it obviously not only depends on the starting rent, but it definitely depends on where you see your growth.
Ed: Their...
Speaker Change: You clearly know that there's
Dawn Wood: What we've seen is the ability to press up, like I've told you about my residential rents. So the combination of where those rents are going, or are today, will be tomorrow and continue to grow, coupled with construction costs, is really important. And as I'm talking to you, Jeff Berkus is putting up his finger. So he's got something else to say, Alex. I'm going to add that in. Go ahead, Jeff. Hey Alex.
Speaker Change: Up, like I told you on my residential rents.
Jeff Berkes: You know, if you're thinking about this from the perspective of, are we concerned about more competitive retail supply coming into our trade areas, I would definitely say that, you know, the vast, vast majority of the places where we're located, single-story retail service parking is not the highest and best use of the land, which is what Don's getting to. Our locations lend themselves to densification, maybe a little bit of ground floor retail in an apartment And we are starting to see those economics become more viable. But, you know, in terms of us getting a lot of competitive new supply in the trade areas where we do business, we just don't see that.
Speaker Change: and
Jeff Berkes: In fact, you know, we see a lid on supply and maybe downward pressure on supply, which is giving us a lot of pricing power. And our next question will come from Jeff Spector with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Great, thank you.
Wendy Seher: Maybe just, you know, follow up on all the leasing that you've executed. Can you talk a little bit more about categories? And I know you talked, you know, you had a comment about lattes, but there are a lot of questions about restaurants, I guess. Can you talk a little bit more about, again, leasing demand by category, what you're trying to fill at this point, and then any other anecdotal comments you can share on what you're seeing throughout the portfolio in some of the categories like restaurants that people are concerned over? Thank you.
Wendy Seher: Yes, I think in terms of categories, it's still pretty widespread in terms of what we see again in our different property types. So that remains strong. I was looking at sales from the first part of last year to the first part of this year because when we're looking at what we're concerned about, our sales growing is one metric to look at, and AI is another metric to look at as to who's visiting our shopping centers.
Wendy Seher: There are multiple points to kind of check the health and the [inaudible] Health & Beauty with some of the retailers, you know. Sales is one metric, and that e-commerce distribution is another metric that we don't always have full eyes on that can be quite productive from a retailer perspective. Jeff, you know, I feel like I always have to caveat whenever a question comes up about categories. I feel like I always have to qualify it by saying, "where you have to look at the operators, and you have to look at best-in-class operators in whatever the category is."
Speaker Change: With some of the retailers, you know...
Jeff Berkes: Because as we see, I mean, I was just looking at sales numbers for our restaurants, for example, at Santana Row, at Pike and Rose, and Assembly Row, extremely productive. And part of the reason they're extremely productive is because they're some of the best operators in the space. If you've got the best properties, you have the ability to be a little bit more choosy on who comes into those properties. And that applies whether you're talking about, you know, apparel operators, small shop operators, restaurant operators, gym operators, all of it.
Speaker Change: extremely productive.
Jeff Berkes: And when you look at a time when there is worry about the consumer going forward, I can tell you mediocre businesses go away; strong businesses find their way through. And so that understanding of the strength of the operator has to be figured into the mix when you ask about categories.
Speaker Change: Strong businesses find their way through and and so that that understanding of the strength of Of the operator has to be figured into the mix when you ask about about categories It's more than just categories
Jeff Berkes: It's more than just categories, and our next question will come from Mike Mueller with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Dawn Wood: Yeah, hi, going back to development and redevelopment, whenever you decide it's the right time to flex up the program again, do you think it's going to be more retail focused or mixed use resi focused? I think it's going to, so, what we've learned on, you know, our mixed-use properties is absolutely that the integration of the uses, and this actually applies to office too, that we'll be building office anytime soon, but that the integration of those units, whether you're talking about residential or whether you're talking about office or whatever you're talking about, is clearly much more impactful if it's near all the other amenities. It's a fully amenitized environment.
Speaker Change: I think it's going... so what we...
Speaker Change: What we've learned on, you know, our mixed-use properties...
Speaker Change: is absolutely that the integration of the uses and this actually applies to office too, that we'll be building office anytime soon, but
Speaker Change: It's that the that the integration of those units whether you're talking about Residential or whether you're talking about office or whatever you're talking about is clearly
Speaker Change: much more impactful if it's near all the other amenities. It's the fully amenitized environment. So when you look at our shopping centers...
Dawn Wood: So when you look at our shopping centers, you know that our shopping centers are in pretty darn good demographic areas where the rents for residential would largely be high enough or getting to be high enough to be able to make those numbers work. So when I talk in my comments about 3,700 apartment units that are either entitled or being entitled, or being designed, you know, that's probably where we'll start as evidenced by ballot in terms of where this kind of big development happens. Now, if you go out to Huntington, that's a complete retail redevelopment of a shopping center, and that opportunity came to us, frankly, before COVID, and we've worked through that.
Speaker Change: We, you know that our shopping centers
Speaker Change: are in pretty darn good demographic areas, where...
Speaker Change: The rents for residential would largely be...
Speaker Change: high enough or getting to be high enough to be able to make those numbers work. So, when I talk in my comments about 3,700 apartment units that are either entitled or being entitled or being designed, you know, that's probably where we'll start.
Speaker Change: as evidenced by ballot.
Speaker Change: in terms of where...
Speaker Change: kind of big development happens. Now, if you go out to Huntington...
Speaker Change: That's a complete redevelopment of a shopping center.
Speaker Change: And that opportunity came to us.
Dawn Wood: So if you look now, I believe residential additions to our retail shopping centers are probably where you'll see us starting, as evidenced by the ballot. And our next question will come from Craig Mailman with Citi. Please go ahead. Hey, good evening.
Speaker Change: frankly, before COVID. And we've worked through that. When I look now, I believe residential, adding to our retail shopping centers is probably where you'll see us starting, as evidenced by BALA.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Craig Mailman with Citi. Please go ahead.
Operator: Just maybe a quick two-parter here. One, have you guys disclosed the cap rate on Santa Monica yet? And then two, you know, I noticed you guys did issue some equity during the quarter, and I'm just curious, as you continue to acquire assets potentially in the back half of this year, kind of the sources of capital, whether it be, you know, equity, or would you sell more assets into the potential strength here with, you know, the 10-year coming in a bit? Kind of what's the optimal mix as you guys look to redeploy capital What was the first part of the question? You got two questions in there, Greg. I did, I did, I cheated.
Craig Mailman: Hey, good evening. Just maybe a quick two-parter here. One, have you guys disclosed yet the cap rate on...
Speaker Change: Santa Monica, then two...
Craig Mailman: You know, I noticed you guys did issue some equity during the quarter, and I'm just curious, as you continue to acquire assets potentially in the back half of this year into 2025,
Speaker Change: Kind of the sources of capital, whether it be, you know, equity, or would you sell more assets into the potential strength here with, you know, the 10-year coming in a bit? Kind of what's the optimal mix as you guys look to redeploy capital, the most accretive?
Speaker Change: [inaudible]
Speaker Change: What was the first part of the question?
Operator: The first one was going to be about Santa Monica. Yeah, the cap rate on Santa Monica is kind of a little bit of a hard one. I mean, kind of the mid to upper sixes kind of in place, but it quickly kind of goes down into the fives, and next year and the year after that into the low fives. So you know, the unlevered IRR that we kind of penciled has got to have a low six handle on it.
Speaker Change: You've got two questions in there, Greg. I did, I did, I cheated. The first one was... Yeah, no.
Speaker Change: Yeah, the cap rate on Santa Monica is kind of a little bit of a hard one I mean kind of it's kind of mid to upper sixes kind of in place, but it quickly kind of goes down into the fives
Speaker Change: and next year and the year after that to the low fives.
Speaker Change: So, you know, the unlevered IRR that we kind of penciled has a low six handle on it, so it's a really attractive source of capital, not as accretive this year as we would like.
Dan Gee: So it's a really attractive source of capital, not as accretive this year as we would like, but very much accretive over the longer term. The second piece in terms of, look, we acquired and put to work in the quarter $287 million of capital in the Cocoa Walk buyout at Virginia Gateway and Pinole Vista Crossing. I think raising capital, which we always do, in a balanced approach where we fund the business. You know, we have a multiple premium and an attractive multiple that even though it's not where we'd like it to be from an NAB perspective, it's still accretive capital.
Speaker Change: but very much accretive over the longer term.
Speaker Change: The second piece in terms of, look, we acquired and put to work in the quarter $287 million.
Speaker Change: of Capital in Cocoa Walk Buyout at Virginia Gateway, at Pinole Vista Crossing. I think...
Speaker Change: Raising capital, which we always do, in a balanced approach, that we fund the business.
Speaker Change: You know, we have a multiple premium and an attractive multiple that even though it's
Speaker Change: Not where we'd like it to be from an NAV perspective. It's still accretive capital. Where we deployed it, that $287 million, and it was in modest amount, about a quarter of the capital needed there, was to fund it. So I think it was very prudent in terms of how we approached it.
Dan Gee: Where we deployed it, that $287 million, and it was a modest amount, about a quarter of the capital needed there to fund it, so I think it was very prudent in terms of how we approached it.
Dan Gee: With regard to going forward and future acquisitions, we'll be opportunistic. We have a big, full pipeline of assets under consideration for sale. That will be a component of it. I don't think it necessarily means we will sell, and then we'll look to, you know, I think opportunistically tap the equity market as we see it's an accretive if we can, you know, accretively deploy that capital and grow FFO from it. So that's kind of how we look at things. And our next question will come from Floris Van Dijkum with CompassPoint. Please go ahead. Guys, how are you?
Speaker Change: With regards to going forward and future acquisitions, we'll be opportunistic. We have a big, full pipeline of assets under consideration for sale.
Speaker Change: That will be a component of it. I don't think it necessarily means we will sell. And then we'll look to, you know, I think opportunistically tap the equity market as we see it's an accretive.
Speaker Change: if we can, you know, creatively deploy that capital and grow FFO from. So, that's kind of how we look at that.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Floris Van Dijkum with CompassPoint. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good evening. Hey, just one thing, Floris. One question, not a three-parter. No, I'm not going to cheat.
Speaker Change: Guys, how are you? Good evening. Hey, just one thing, Floris. One question, not a three-parter. No, I'm not going to cheat. I'm not. I just...
Operator: You guys have historically always focused on the softer aspects around leases in terms of, you know, rent bumps and etc. A lot of your peers are... How did the fact that they're now, you know, driving 3% rent bumps annually, etc., as well as less renewal options. Maybe if you could talk about what improvements that you're seeing in your lease terms. Are you able to drive what percentage of your leases that you're signing, for example, on your shop tenants or having rent bumps of 4% and maybe some more detail behind that, and also maybe talk about some of the other terms for anchors.
Speaker Change: You guys have...
Speaker Change: historically always focused on
Speaker Change: The softer aspects around leases in terms of, you know, rent bumps and etc.
Speaker Change: A lot of your peers are touting the fact that they're now driving 3% rent bumps annually, etc.
Speaker Change: as well as less renewal options.
Speaker Change: Maybe if you could...
Speaker Change: to talk about what are the improvements that you're seeing in your lease terms. Are you able to drive what percentage of your leases that you're signing, for example, on your shop tenants are having rent bumps of 4% maybe some more detail behind that and also maybe talk about
Operator: Are you able to shorten the lease terms there or is there market upside at certain levels? Yeah, you know, Floris, you know, we announced got a blended anchor and small shop. That was 2.4%. Really, really strong.
Speaker Change: You know, some of the other, the terms for anchors, are you able to shorten the lease terms there, or is there, you know, at market upside at certain levels?
Dan Gee: Nobody else, I think in the, Close, and that's driven by a significant percentage of our leases at 3% or better on the small shop side, and we get better rent bumps on our anchor, probably kind of in the mid to upper ones. I think that was about where we were this last quarter. So, you know, that blended approach gets us there. We continue to push that. It's an important component, but we also look to push other components. The starting rent is an important part of it as well.
Speaker Change: Yeah, you know, Floris, you know, we announced, kind of blended, Anchor and Small Shop, that was 2.4%, really, really strong. Nobody else, I think, is even
Speaker Change: And that's driven by a significant percentage of our leases at 3% or better on the small shop side, and we get better rent bumps on our anchors.
Speaker Change: probably kind of in the mid to upper ones.
Speaker Change: I think that was about where we were this last quarter.
Speaker Change: So, you know, that blended gets us there. We continue.
Speaker Change: to push that.
Speaker Change: It's an important component, but we also look to push other components. The starting rent is an important part of it as well. And so the more qualitative aspects, I'll hand over to Wendy in terms of what other things are we getting from tenants in this environment where we're getting better negotiating leverage.
Dan Gee: You know, and so the more qualitative aspects, I'll hand over to Wendy in terms of what other things we're getting from tenants in this environment where we're getting better negotiating leverage. The other thing I'd like to highlight to you is, we had a good quarter and we got a good couple of quarters in terms of TIs, and we're starting to, I mentioned in my prior remarks, we're focused on kind of controlling those TI dollars and limiting that, and that's why I highlighted the net effective straight line rents in the mid-teens, which is an impressive number and something I'd like to Transcripts provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC.
Wendy: The other thing I'd like to highlight to you is also, we had a good quarter and we had a good couple quarters in terms of TI's and we're starting to, I mentioned that in my prior remarks, we're focused on kind of controlling those TI dollars and
Wendy: and limiting that and that's why I highlighted the net effective straight-line rents in the mid-teens is an impressive number and something I'd like to highlight.
Speaker Change: I think the only thing that I would add to that would be, you know, the different components of that contract, whether it be options, whether it be increases.
Wendy Seher: There are so many components that haven't changed with this high demand that we're going after them any differently than we've always treated them, which is every component is separate, and every component needs to make sense in that particular aspect. So I would say we are having some success in getting some more flexibility on options, for example, which we don't like. We just don't.
Speaker Change: Whether it be control rights, exclusivity, there's so many components that really haven't changed with this high demand that we're going after them.
Speaker Change: Any differently than we've always treated them, which is...
Speaker Change: [inaudible]
Wendy Seher: And so we rarely give them if there's a, if we have to, and if there's a capital allocation that's heavy from the tenant, we have to try to see if we can do it at a fair market value with a base and try, maybe we've done several, many actually, where you tie it to a sales volume that they can't use it unless they're reaching a certain level of So yes, we are diving deep into all those things, like we always do, and having more success.
Speaker Change: If we have to, and if there's a capital allocation that's heavy from the tenant, we'll try to see if we can do it at a fair market value with a base and try, maybe, we've done several, many actually, where you tie it to a
Speaker Change: sales volume that they can't exercise it unless they're reaching a certain level of production within the center so yes
Speaker Change: We are diving deep into all those like we always do and having more success, and it's a balanced approach, right? We're doing a lot of business with these national and regional tenants, so we want to make sure that we have a balanced approach.
Wendy Seher: And it's a balanced approach, right? We're doing a lot of business with these national and regional tenants. So we want to make sure that we have a balanced approach. You know, the only thing I'm going to add to that, Floris, is that I've always said that I felt that our contracts were among the strongest, if not the strongest in the industry. And when I say contracts, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker Change: You know, the only thing I'm going to add to that, Floris, is I've always touted that I felt that our contracts were among the strongest, if not the strongest, in the industry. And when I say contracts, you know what I'm talking about, not only lease bumps, which
Wendy Seher: Not only lease bumps, which we can quantify, but certainly the qualitative things like redevelopment rights, like lack of sales kickouts, like lack of co-tenancy, all of that. I think our contracts are stronger today than they were a few years ago, even, and a few years ago, I think they were the best in the sector. Hard to prove it.
Speaker Change: which we can quantify, but certainly the qualitative things like redevelopment rights, like lack of sales kickouts, like lack of co-tenancy. All of that, I think our contracts are stronger today.
Speaker Change: than they were a few years ago even. And a few years ago, I think they were the best in the sector. Hard to prove it. Better locations give us more leverage. That's where I think we are.
Dawn Wood: Better locations give us more leverage. That's where I come from. And our next question will come from Handel St. Juist with Mizzouho. Please go ahead. Hi there, this is Ravi Vaidya on the line for Handel.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Handel St. Juist with Mizuho. Please go ahead.
Dan Gee: Hope you guys are doing well. I've got a quick follow-up to the guide here. Why maintain the 70s and 90s of bad debt at this point? The portfolio seems to have minimal tenant credit issues. What's on your watch list right now for the back half of the year?
Speaker Change: Hi there, this is Ravi Vaidya on the line for Handel. Hope you guys are doing well.
Dan Gee: I think 70 to 90 is still operative. I mean, I think we were at the lower end of that range in the first half of the year, the way we look at it. And I think that it's proven to kind of keep that same leverage. I'm hoping we'll end up towards the bottom end. And certainly if we can end up towards the end, obviously that enhances our ability to outperform and get towards the upper end of our range of guidance. But I'm fine, given where we were, I think, in the first half of the year.
Speaker Change: I think 70 to 90 is still operative. I think we were at the lower end of that range in the first half of the year, the way we look at it, and I think that it's prudent to kind of keep that same leverage. I'm hoping we'll end up towards the bottom end.
Speaker Change: And certainly if we can end up towards the obviously that enhances our ability to outperform and get towards the upper end of our range of guidance.
Speaker Change: But I'm fine, given where we were, I think the first half of the year, you know, we ended up kind of at the lower end of that range, and I don't think it's...
Dan Gee: You know, we ended up kind of at the lower end of that range. And I don't think it's. We don't see a reason at this point to change that out. And our next question will come from Linda Tsai with Jeffreys. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: We don't see a reason at this point to change that out.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Linda Tsai with Jeffreys. Please go ahead.
Wendy Seher: Hi Dan, you mentioned earlier you're doing a better job of controlling TI dollars. What does that process look like, and, you know, what are those conversations about? How do those work? I guess I'll start with the anchors. You know, many of these anchors we have longstanding relationships with and they're eager to figure out how to make more deals. So it's not, we're getting into the details of the space and really digging deep, and they're getting creative on how they'll take that space. So in what condition does that space need to be in?
Linda Tsai: Hi, Dan, you mentioned earlier you're doing a better job of controlling TI dollars. What does that process look like and what are those conversations, how do those go?
Speaker Change: I guess I will start with the anchors. You know many of these anchors we have long-standing relationships with and they're eager to figure out how to
Speaker Change: make more deals. So, it's not, we're getting into the details of the space and really digging deep and they're getting creative on how they'll take that space.
Wendy Seher: So that speaks to the demand and the quality of the real estate. In the smaller shops, we probably have the most ability to influence that conversation. So yes, we are using that to the maximum. And we also want to understand how much capital they're putting into the space as well. So, many discussions and some good progress. Yeah, just to make that really clear, I think the biggest thing there is what a tenant and what we as a landlord are willing to do to be able to get that tenant in the space and operating. Whether that means hanging on to an HVAC unit that you would have wanted replaced ideally, nah, let's give that five years and see how that goes.
Speaker Change: So, in what condition that space needs to be in. So, that speaks to the demand and the quality of the real estate. On the smaller shops, we have probably the most ability to influence that conversation.
Speaker Change: So, yes, we are using that to the maximum, and we also want to understand how much capital they're putting into the space as well, so many discussions and having some good progress. Yeah, Liz, just to make that really clear, I think the biggest thing there is
Speaker Change: [inaudible]
Liz: and what we, as a landlord, are willing to do to be able to get that tenant in the space and operating.
Liz: whether that means hanging on to an HBAC unit that
Speaker Change: If you would have wanted to replace ideally, nah, let's give that five years and let's see how that goes. Whether it works on a storefront that a tenant particularly wants, that we'll put a limit on and so they'll pick up.
Dan Gee: Whether it works on a storefront that a tenant particularly wants that we'll put a limit on, and so they'll pick up the incremental cost of a particular storefront they get and things like that. What it is is a willingness to work together because of the heavy supply and demand where we are in demand supply of space to accept space differently than they were before. And our next question will come from Paulina Rojas on Green Street. Please go ahead. Good evening.
Liz: the incremental cost of a particular storefront to get in, things like that. What it is is a willingness to work together because of the heavy supply-demand, where we are in demand-supply of the space, to accept space.
Liz: differently than they were before.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Paulina Rojas with Green Street. Please go ahead.
Dawn Wood: The retail environment is clearly very solid. So what do you think this environment will translate in terms of market rent growth in your markets for the next 12 to 14 months? It seems to me that investors are generally very hesitant to forecast market rent growth above, let's say, 3% or 4%. And I wonder if you agree or disagree with this view. You know what I would say first, Paulina, about that? Take it back to the tenant.
Paulina Rojas: Good evening. The retail environment is clearly very solid. So what do you think this environment will translate in terms of market rent growth in your markets for the next 12 to 14 months?
Speaker Change: It seems to me that investors are generally very hesitant to forecast market rent growth above, let's say, 3-4%. And I wonder if you agree or disagree with this view.
Speaker Change: You know what I would say first, Paulina, about that is, take it back to the tenant. That tenant is pushing through, is doing two things in order to...
Dawn Wood: That tenant is pushing through is doing two things in order to be profitable in their business. One is they're trying to push through inflationary costs that are obviously 35% higher than they were pre-COVID. So they're trying to push that through. The more successful they are, the more willing they are to be able to pay more rent. I have an obvious thing there.
Paulina Rojas: Be profitable in their business. One is they're trying to push through the inflationary costs that are
Speaker Change: Obviously, 35% higher than they were pre-COVID. So they're trying to push that through. The more successful they are, the more willing they are to be able to pay more rent. I have an obvious thing there. What's a little less obvious is the work that they're doing on their margins.
Dawn Wood: What's a little less obvious is the work that they're doing on their margins to try to make their businesses more efficient, so even to the extent that they're unable to push all the cost increases through, they're trying to increase their profitability. That goes into what they're willing to do for space.
Speaker Change: to try to make their businesses more efficient.
Speaker Change: So that even to the extent they're unable to push all the cost increases through, they're trying to increase their profitability. That goes into what they're willing to do for space. So if you take a tenant that is having success...
Dawn Wood: So if you take a tenant that is having success with the consumer and you take a lack of choices that that tenant has as to where they're able to move, that's where you can get some pretty big rent increases. Importantly, in that, absolutely, is the contractual bump. And I know you hear us say it every single day, but we have to say it every single day because it's an important part of the economy.
Speaker Change: Importantly in that absolutely is the contractual bump and I know you hear us say it every single single day but we have to say it every single day because it's a important part of the economics.
Dawn Wood: So I don't know that I have a percentage for you. But when you see us able to move overall tenant increases to 10% from the new stuff versus the last year of what was in there, on top of those bumps, let me tell you, that's really strong. And that's where it's 23% on a straight line basis.
Speaker Change: from, you know, the new stuff versus the last year of what was in there, on top of those bumps, let me tell you, that's really strong. And that's with 23% with a, on a straight line basis. So, I don't see that changing.
Dawn Wood: So I don't see that changing over the next 12 to 14 months. And that's where I think you should expect it. And our next question will come from Tayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good evening, everyone.
Speaker Change: over the next 12 to 14 months and that's where I think you should expect us.
Speaker Change: And our next question will come from Tayo Okusanya with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Dawn Wood: Congratulations on the great quarter and the outlook. Dawn, I'm curious, and I'm not sure if this is a fair question, but curious what your thoughts are on this news out there of Blackstone potentially buying ROIC and specifically just what you think the implications are for the broader shopping center group and maybe, you know, FRC in particular, if any. Now, of course, Tao, it's a very fair question, and all you're going to hear is an opinion because I have no inside knowledge of it, but when you sit and you think about, you know, looking forward to the demand for retail space over the next five years, I think you should feel pretty good about that.
Tayo Okusanya: Yes, good evening everyone. Congrats on the great quarter and the outlook. Dawn, curious, and I'm not sure if this is a fair question, but curious what your thoughts are.
Dawn Wood: I think Blackstone feels pretty good about that, or there wouldn't have been negotiations that way. I think it is all about not only the supply-demand characteristics that we've all been talking about here, but also the valuations and the choices in other sectors, which are not as robust as maybe they were over the last couple of years. So when you put all that together, it doesn't surprise me. You know that there are, whatever we have got, 17 companies in the Shopping Center Index or something like that. Many of them are smaller companies.
Tayo Okusanya: on this news out there of Blackstone potentially buying ROIC and specifically just what you think the implications are for the broader shopping center group and maybe, you know, FRC in particular, if any.
Dawn: Now, of course, Teo, it's a very fair question, and all you're going to hear is an opinion, because I have no inside knowledge of it. But when you sit and you think about
teo: You know looking forward at the demand for retail space over the next five years
teo: I think you should feel pretty good about that.
teo: I think Blackstone feels pretty good about that, or there wouldn't be negotiations that way. I think that is all about not only the supply-demand characteristics that we've all been talking about here, but also the valuations.
teo: and the choices in other sectors, which are not as robust as maybe they were over the last couple of years. So when you put all that together, it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker Change: You know that there are, whatever we've got, 17 companies in the Shopping Center Index or something like that. Many of them are small or camp companies. I think you should always expect that to...
Dawn Wood: I think you should always expect companies like that to be under pressure for sale. Now, whether those deals happen or not, we'll have to see. But I've never thought of Blackstone as being a company that was really stretched.
Speaker Change: to, you know, companies like that to be under pressure of a sale. Now, whether those deals happen or not, we'll have to see. But I've never thought of Blackstone as being a company that really stretched, so I suspect they see a lot of value there.
Dawn Wood: So I suspect they see a lot of value in that. And our next question will come from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Thanks for taking another question. Dan, I apologize if you address this in the opening remarks. Remember, but what's the expectation on bad debt embedded in the same store, and has that changed at all? That's still the same 70 to 90 basis points we had originally, and that's kind of outlined in our guidance and in the prepared remarks that I think we're shifting it around. We ended up in the first half of the year in the lower end of that range, and hopefully, we can remain in that lower end of that range. And that's reflected in the same store outlet.
teo: And our next question will come from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Thanks for taking another question. Dan, I apologize if you address this in the opening remarks.
Greg Mcginniss: Remember, but what's the expectation on bad debt embedded in the same store and has that changed at all?
Speaker Change: That's still the same 70 to 90 basis points we had originally and that's kind of outlined in our guidance and in the prepared remarks that I think we're shifting it around. We ended up in the first half of the year in the lower end of that range and hopefully we can remain in that lower end of that range.
Brenda Pomar: And this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Brenda Pomar for any closing remarks. We look forward to seeing many of you in the next few weeks. Thanks for joining us today. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation, and you may now disconnect your lines at this time.
Speaker Change: And that's reflected in the same store outlook.
Speaker Change: And this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Brenda Pomar for any closing remarks.
Brenda Pomar: We look forward to seeing many of you in the next few weeks. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker Change: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect your lines at this time.
Brenda Pomar: [inaudible]