Q2 2024 VeriSign Inc Earnings Call

Good day everyone. Welcome to Verisign's second quarter 2024 earnings call. Today's conference is being recorded.

Operator: Today's conference is being recorded. Recording of this call is not permitted unless pre-authorized. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Atchley, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer. Please go ahead.

David Atchley: Recording of this call is not permitted unless pre-authorized. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Atchley, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Treasurer. Please go ahead.

David Atchley: Thank you, operator. Welcome to Verisign's second quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me are Jim Bidzos, Executive Chairman, President, and CEO, and George Kilguss, Executive Vice President and CFO. This call and presentation are being webcast from the Investor Relations website, which is available under AboutVerisign on Verisign.com. There you will also find our earnings release. At the end of this call, the presentation will be available on that site, and within a few hours, the replay of the call will be posted.

David Atchley: Thank you, operator. Welcome to Verisign's second quarter 2024 earnings call.

Speaker Change: Joining me are Jim Bidzos, Executive Chairman, President and CEO , and George Kilguss, Executive Vice President and CFO .

Speaker Change: This call and presentation are being webcast from the investor relations website, which is available under about Verisign on Verisign.com There you will also find our earnings release at the end of this call The presentation will be available on that site and within a few hours the replay of the call will be posted

David Atchley: Financial results in our earnings release are unaudited, and our remarks include forward-looking statements that are subject to the risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail in our documents filed with the SEC, specifically the most recent report on Form 10-K. Verisign does not update financial performance or guidance during the quarter unless it is done through a public disclosure. The financial results in today's call and the matters we will be discussing today include GAAP results and two non-GAAP measures used by Verisign, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow.

Speaker Change: Financial results in our earnings release are unaudited and our remarks include forward-looking statements that are subject to the risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail in our documents filed with the SEC, specifically the most recent report on Form 10-K .

Speaker Change: Verisign does not update financial performance or guidance during the quarter unless it is done through a public disclosure.

Speaker Change: The financial results in today's call and the matters we will be discussing today include gap results and two non- GAAP measures used by Verisign, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow.

Speaker Change: Gap to non-gap reconciliation information is appended to this slide presentation which can be found on the investor relations section of our website available after this call

David Atchley: GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation information is appended to the slide presentation, which can be found on the investor relations section of our website, available after this call. Jim and George will provide some prepared remarks, and afterward, we will open the call for your questions. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

Speaker Change: Jim and George will provide some prepared remarks, and afterward we will open the call for your questions. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you, David. Good afternoon to everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we cover results, I'd like to note that last week we marked 27 years of 100% uninterrupted availability for the.com.net domain name resolution system. This milestone represents an unparalleled achievement in our industry for operating secure, stable, and resilient DNS infrastructure. For well over a quarter of a century, amidst some of the most technologically significant changes the world has ever experienced, our teams have successfully built, maintained, operated, and evolved the infrastructure that enables hundreds of billions of queries a day and supports trillions of dollars in global commerce.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you, David. Good afternoon to everyone and thank you for joining us.

Jim Bidzos: Before we cover results, I'd like to note that last week we marked 27 years of 100% uninterrupted availability for the .com.net domain name resolution system.

George E. Kilguss: This milestone represents an unparalleled achievement in our industry for operating secure, stable, and resilient DNS infrastructure.

George E. Kilguss: For well over a quarter of a century, amidst some of the most technologically significant changes the world has ever experienced, our teams have successfully built, maintained, operated and evolved the infrastructure that enables hundreds of billions of queries a day and supports trillions of dollars in global commerce.

Jim Bidzos: In fact, we answer, on average, 328 billion queries per day, billion with a B, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, and that's over 3.7 million per second. We do this amidst ever-increasing internet demand and resilience, evolving technology, and a challenging global cyber threat environment.

George E. Kilguss: In fact, we answer, on average, 328 billion queries per day, billion with a B. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. That's over 3.7 million per second.

George E. Kilguss: We do this amidst ever-increasing internet demand and resilience, evolving technology, and a challenging global cyber threat environment.

Jim Bidzos: Turning now to our results, we delivered another quarter of operational and financial stability by focusing on our mission as a critical internet infrastructure provider. For the second quarter, revenues grew 4.1% year-over-year, operating income grew 7.1% year-over-year, and earnings per share grew 12.3% year-over-year. At the end of June, the domain name base in.com and.net totaled 170.6 million domain names. During the second quarter, the domain name base decreased by 1.8 million domain names.

George E. Kilguss: Turning now to our results, we delivered another quarter of operational and financial stability by focusing on our mission as a critical Internet infrastructure provider.

George E. Kilguss: For the second quarter, revenues grew 4.1% year over year, operating income grew 7.1% year over year, and earnings per share grew 12.3% year over year.

George E. Kilguss: At the end of June , the domain name base in .com and .net totaled 170.6 million domain names. During the second quarter, the domain name base decreased by 1.8 million names.

Jim Bidzos: From a new registration perspective, the second quarter ended with 9.2 million new registrations compared with 10.2 million names for the same quarter last year. The renewal rate for the second quarter of 2024 is expected to be approximately 72.6% compared to 73.4% a year ago. As we have previously reported, we continue to see U.S. registrars prioritize ARPU over customer acquisition through higher retail pricing levels and reduced spend on marketing to new customers compared with prior years.

George E. Kilguss: From a new registration perspective, the second quarter ended with 9.2 million new registrations compared with 10.2 million names for the same quarter last year.

George E. Kilguss: The renewal rate for the second quarter of 2024 is expected to be approximately 72.6% compared to 73.4% a year ago.

Speaker Change: As we have previously reported, we continue to see U.S. registrars prioritize ARPU over customer acquisition through higher retail pricing levels and reduced spend on marketing to new customers compared with prior years.

Jim Bidzos: These factors impacting new registrations are impacting new registrations and renewal rates and are leading to weaker trends in 2024 that are below our original expectations. During the second quarter, the U.S. region was lowered by about 800,000 names. In addition, and as expected, China-related weakness continues and contributed to most of the remaining sequential decline in the second quarter.

Speaker Change: These factors are impacting new registrations and renewal rates and are leading to weaker trends in 2024 that are below our original expectations. During the second quarter, the U.S. region was lowered by about 800,000 names. In addition, and as expected,

Speaker Change: China-related weakness continues and contributed to most of the remaining sequential decline in the second quarter. The domain name base from our EMEA region was up slightly during the second quarter.

Jim Bidzos: The domain name base from our EMEA region was up slightly during the second quarter. We have rolled out new registrar marketing programs over the past several weeks to support our registrars and our goal of returning to domain name-based growth in the second half of 2025. However, given the ongoing impact of the factors we've mentioned, we now expect the change in the domain name base to be between negative 3% and negative 2% for the full year 2024.

Speaker Change: We have rolled out new registrar marketing programs over the past several weeks to support our registrars and our goal of returning to domain name based growth in the second half of 2025.

Speaker Change: However, given the ongoing impact of the factors we've mentioned, we now expect the change in the domain name base to be between negative 3% to a negative 2% for full year 2024.

Jim Bidzos: Our financial and liquidity position continues to remain stable, with $690 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities at the end of the quarter. During the second quarter, we repurchased 2.2 million shares for $388 million. Effective today, the Board of Directors has increased the amount authorized for share repurchase of Verisign common stock by $1.11 billion to a total of $1.5 billion authorized and available under the share repurchase program, which has no expiration. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to George. I'll return when George has completed his financial report and closing remarks.

Speaker Change: Our financial and liquidity position continues to remain stable with $690 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities at the end of the quarter. During the second quarter, we repurchased 2.2 million shares for $388 million.

Speaker Change: Effective today, the Board of Directors has increased the amount authorized for share repurchase of Verisign common stock by $1.11 billion to a total of $1.5 billion authorized and available under the share repurchase program, which has no expiration.

Speaker Change: And now I'd like to turn the call over to George. I'll return when George has completed his financial report with closing remarks.

George E. Kilguss: Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. For the quarter ended June 30, 2024, the company generated revenue of $387 million, up 4.1% from the same quarter a year ago, and delivered operating income of $266 million, an increase of 7.1% from the same quarter a year ago. Operating expense in the second quarter of 2024 totaled $121 million for the three months and $246 million for the six months ended June 30th, which compares to $123 million in the second quarter of 2023 and $246 million for the first two quarters a year ago.

George E. Kilguss: Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone.

George E. Kilguss: For the quarter ended June 30th, 2024, the company generated revenue of $387 million, up 4.1% from the same quarter of 2023, and delivered operating income of $266 million, an increase of 7.1% from the same quarter a year ago.

Speaker Change: Operating expense in the second quarter of 2024 totaled $121 million for the three months and $246 million for the six months ended June 30th.

Speaker Change: which compares to $123 million in the second quarter of 2023 and $246 million for the first two quarters a year ago.

George E. Kilguss: Net income in the second quarter totaled $199 million, compared to $186 million a year earlier, which produced diluted earnings per share of $2.01 for the second quarter of 2024, compared to $1.79 for the same quarter of 2023. Operating cash flow for the second quarter was $160 million, and free cash flow was $151 million, compared to $145 million and $139 million, respectively, in the year-ago quarter. I'll now discuss our updated full year 2024 guidance.

Speaker Change: Net income in the second quarter totaled $199 million, compared to $186 million a year earlier, which produced diluted earnings per share of $2.01 for the second quarter of 2024, compared to $1.79 for the same quarter of 2023.

Speaker Change: Operating cash flow for the second quarter was $160 million and free cash flow was $151 million compared to $145 million and $139 million respectively in the year ago quarter.

George E. Kilguss: Revenue is now expected to be in the range of $1,553,000,000 to $1,563,000,000. Operating income is now expected to be between $1,048,000,000 and $1,058,000,000. Interest expense and non-operating income net, which includes interest income estimates, is still expected to be an expense of between $25 million and $35 million. Capital expenditures are still expected to be between $30 million and $40 million, and the GAAP effective tax rate is still expected to be between 21% and 24%. Overall, Verisign continued to demonstrate sound financial performance during the second quarter. Now I'll turn the call back to Jim for his closing remarks.

Speaker Change: I'll now discuss our updated full year 2024 guidance.

Speaker Change: Revenue is now expected to be in the range of $1,553,000,000 to $1,563,000,000.

Speaker Change: Operating income is now expected to be between $1,048,000,000 and $1,058,000,000.

Speaker Change: Interest expense and non-operating income net, which includes interest income estimates, is still expected to be an expense of between $25 million to $35 million.

Speaker Change: Capital expenditures are still expected to be between $30 million to $40 million.

Speaker Change: And the GAAP effective tax rate is still expected to be between 21% and 24%.

Speaker Change: Overall, Verisign continue to demonstrate sound financial performance during the second quarter.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you, George. While we expect that the change in the domain name base for 2024 will be below prior year levels for the reasons we've discussed, we continue to believe our business fundamentals remain. As I mentioned earlier, we continue to introduce additional registrar marketing programs to target and support improvement in new registration trends once adopted and integrated into registrar go-to-market activities. Our goal is to fulfill our stewardship mission of providing secure and reliable infrastructure services, managing our business responsibly and efficiently, returning capital to our shareholders, and supporting our commitment to deliver consistent financial results.

Speaker Change: Now I'll turn the call back to Jim for his closing remarks.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you, George. While we expect that the change in the domain name base for 2024 will be below prior year levels for the reasons we've discussed, we continue to believe our business fundamentals remain.

Speaker Change: As I mentioned earlier, we continue to introduce additional registrar marketing programs to target and support improvement in new registration trends once adopted and integrated into registrar go-to-market activities.

Speaker Change: Our goal is to fulfill our stewardship mission of providing secure and reliable infrastructure services, managing our business responsibly and efficiently, returning capital to our shareholders remain unchanged, and support our commitment to deliver consistent financial results.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you for your attention today. This concludes our prepared remarks, and now we'll open the call to your questions. Operator, we're ready for the first question.

Speaker Change: Thank you for your attention today. This concludes our prepared remarks. And now we'll open the call for your questions. Operator, we're ready for the first question.

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Speaker Change: Thank you. If you are dialed in via the telephone and would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is off to allow your signal to reach our equipment.

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Speaker Change: We will take our first question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got a few, and then I'll hop back into the queue. Jim, I guess the first question would be, you know, you talked a little bit about some of the activity at the registrars, particularly in North America, and the focus on ARPU. Can you talk about the view out there that, you know, perhaps newer GTLDs are taking sharefrom.com and what you're seeing in the data that gives you either a concern there or that would dissuade you from that view?

Jim Bidzos: And then a couple others.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got a few and then I'll hop back into the queue. Jim, I guess the first question would be, you know, you talked a little bit about some of the activity at the registrars, particularly in North America, and the focus on ARPU. Can you talk about the view out there that, you know, perhaps newer GTLDs are taking sharefrom.com and what you're seeing in the data that gives you either, you know, a concern there or that would dissuade you from that view? And then a couple others.

Jim Bidzos: Okay, so ARPU, well the primary factor in the U.S. weakness remains register focus, registrar focus on ARPU, and their reduced spend on marketing, two components there. These factors are having a bigger impact and will last longer than we originally expected earlier this year.

Jim Bidzos: Okay, so ARPU, well the primary, ARPU is about, the primary factor in the U.S. weakness remains a register focus, registrar focus on ARPU, and their reduced spend on marketing, two components there. These factors are having a bigger impact and lasting longer than we originally expected earlier this year.

Jim Bidzos: The unregulated retail channel has increased prices more than twice our limited wholesale pricing flexibility, with some increasing three times or more. Additionally, we've seen some registrars focus on margin through price increases to the overall bundle. In addition, they've reduced marketing expenditure, so while our limited price increases on comm may have had an impact, we think the wholesale price impact is small relative to the overall price increases and other actions taken by the unregulated retail channel in the U.S.

Jim Bidzos: The unregulated retail channel has increased prices more than twice our limited wholesale pricing flexibility, with some increasing three times or more.

Jim Bidzos: Also, we've seen some registrars focus on margin through price increases to the overall bundle.

Jim Bidzos: In addition, they've reduced marketing expenditure, so while our limited price increases on comm may have had an impact, we think the wholesale price impact is small relative to the overall price increases and other actions taken by the unregulated retail channel in the U.S.

Jim Bidzos: In relation to the new GTLD taking market share question, very low-cost new GTLDs seem to be picking up some of the monetization demand, primarily from China. I would just add that there is a thriving market for CCTLDs and new GTLDs, there are 33 million of them, but these names tend to have lower renewal rates and lower lifetime values compared to traditional cohorts. Some of these are the more speculative names that we're seeing declining demand for from our Chinese registrar base.

Jim Bidzos: In relation to the new GTLD taking market share question, very low cost new GTLDs seem to be picking up some of the monetization demand, primarily from China.

Speaker Change: I would just add that there's a thriving market of ccTLDs and new gTLDs, there are 33 million of them. But these names tend to have lower renewal rates and lower lifetime values compared to traditional cohorts.

Speaker Change: Some of these are the more speculative names that we're seeing a declining demand from our China registrar base.

Jim Bidzos: And let me remind you that new GTLDs operate under very different and more flexible contracts. They're allowed to offer special deals to individual registrars, some offer very low initial and renewal pricing, they can reserve and sell premiums anytime that they want, they're not as transparent, very few are public companies, and it's important to note that there's a difference between a registry operator like us and some registries which are really registry marketers.

Speaker Change: And let me remind you that new GTLDs operate under

Speaker Change: very different and more flexible contracts. They're allowed to offer special deals to individual registrars. Some offer very low initial and renewal pricing. They can reserve and sell premiums anytime that they want.

Speaker Change: They're not as transparent, very few are public companies.

Speaker Change: And it's important to note that there's a difference between.

Jim Bidzos: They basically don't run a registry, but they outsource those operations to a back-end service provider who does them for them. So they tend to have very low overhead; some of them have very, very few employees; they can sell these TLDs at very, very low prices and still be profitable. Again, they're not public companies, so we don't have much visibility, but we certainly understand that these are factors in the market. So you need to look a little bit closer to really get the accurate picture there.

Speaker Change: a registry operator like us and some registries which are really registry marketers. They basically don't run a registry but they outsource those operations to a back-end service provider who does it for them. So they tend to have very low overhead.

Speaker Change: Some of them have very, very few employees. They can sell these TLDs at very, very low prices and still be profitable. Again, they're not public companies, so we don't have much visibility, but we certainly understand that these are factors in the market.

Speaker Change: You need to look a little bit closer to really get the accurate picture there.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Got it. Okay. Very helpful, Jim. I appreciate all the color.

Speaker Change: Got it. Okay. Very helpful, Jim. I appreciate all the color. Two other for me, if I may. The second would be something that just came out today. There was a congressional letter to the NTIA asking for them to review the contract for DOTCOM. You know, it's been our understanding that...

Robert Cooney Oliver: Two other, for me, if I may, the second would be something that just came out today: there was a congressional letter to the NTIA asking for them to review the contract for.com. You know, it's been our understanding that they can ask all they want, but there's no legal ground. But that follows, I guess, an earlier report from a think tank in New York also suggesting the same. So just wanted to get your reaction to that letter, which came out today.

Speaker Change: They can ask all they want, but there's no legal ground, but that follows I guess an earlier report from a think tank in New York also suggesting the same. So just wanted to get your reaction to that letter which came out today.

Jim Bidzos: Well, we've seen the letter and the questions to NTIA, so I can't speak for NTIA, but our reaction was that questions do typically occur every six years around the renewal.com registry agreement. Some of the questions in the letter are about Wholesale.com price increases. As you know, our pricing is completely transparent and regulated. Since 2018, the com wholesale price has gone up $1.74. Our research shows that the benefit from our capped wholesale prices is not always passed on to consumers, either in a retail market where, as I just mentioned, prices have gone up more than twice as much as the wholesale price increases, or in a secondary market where the average price for a.com domain is estimated to be $1,600, or about 166 times today's wholesale price.

Speaker Change: Well, we've seen the letter and the questions to NTIA, so I can't speak for NTIA, but our reaction was that questions do typically occur every six years around the Renewal.com registry agreement.

Speaker Change: Some of the questions in the letter are about Wholesale.com price increases.

Speaker Change: As you know, our pricing is completely transparent and regulated.

Speaker Change: Since 2018, the com wholesale price has gone up $1.74. Our research shows that the benefit from our capped wholesale prices is not always passed on to consumers, either in a retail market where, as I just mentioned, prices have gone up more than twice as much as the wholesale price increases.

Speaker Change: or in a secondary market where the average price for a .com domain is estimated to be $1,600 or about 166 times today's wholesale price.

Jim Bidzos: Academic research sizes the secondary market at over $2 billion, that's with a B, $2 billion per year, which exceeds Verisign's revenue. And unlike any actor in the secondary market, you know that Verisign, as all of you know, operates critical infrastructure, which helps to enable a global digital economy. We understand that one of these secondary market players has warehoused about 4.8 million.com domains for resale on the secondary market. The businesses that buy these.com domains on the secondary market at high prices pass the cost on to consumers.

Speaker Change: academic research sizes the secondary market at over two billion dollars that's with a B, two billion dollars per year which exceeds Verisign's revenue and unlike any actor in the secondary market you know that Verisign, as all of you know, Verisign operates critical infrastructure which helps to enable the global digital economy

Speaker Change: We understand that one of these secondary market players has warehoused about 4.8 million .com domains for resale on a secondary market.

Speaker Change: The businesses that buy these .com domains on the secondary market at high prices pass the cost on to consumers.

Jim Bidzos: So while we expect questions about wholesale prices, and we'll do our best to assist if asked by NTIA, the issue of retail and especially secondary market pricing is an important part of the discussion of the domaining market that hasn't been sufficiently addressed yet.

Speaker Change: So while we expect questions about wholesale prices and we'll do our best to assist if asked by NTIA, the issue of retail and especially secondary market pricing is an important part of the discussion of the comdomaining market that hasn't been sufficiently addressed yet.

Jim Bidzos: Okay, that's extremely helpful. I guess the ultimate question that we get most often from investors would be, "Is there a risk to the dot com contract?" And your most recent thoughts on that would be great. Thanks, Jim.

Jim Bidzos: Okay, that's extremely helpful. I guess the ultimate question that we get most often from investors would be, is there a risk to the dot-com contract? And your most recent thoughts on that would be great. Thanks, Jim.

Jim Bidzos: Well, in a word, no, there's not. There's no provision in a cooperative agreement for Rebid.com. And we believe that Amendment 35 is clear, that should the DOC decide to sunset the cooperative agreement, which we're not seeking, then Verisign would continue to operate the.com registry under the ICANN contract, which, like all ICANN agreements, has a presumptive right of renewal.

Speaker Change: Well, in a word, no, there's not. There's no provision in a cooperative agreement to Rebid.com, and we believe that Amendment 35 is clear, that should the DOC decide to sunset the cooperative agreement, which we're not seeking, then Verisign would continue to operate the COM registry under the ICANN contract.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Okay, that's really helpful. I have a few others, but I'll hop back in the queue. So thank you guys very much. I appreciate it.

Jim Bidzos: which, like all ICANN agreements, has a presumptive right of renewal.

Speaker Change: Okay, that's really helpful. I have a, you know, one or two others, but I'll hop back in the queue. So, thank you guys very much. I appreciate it.

Ygal Arounian: We will take our next question from Ygal Arounian, with Citigroup.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: We will take our next question from Ygal Arounian with Citigroup.

Ygal Arounian: Hey, thanks, guys. Good afternoon.

Speaker Change: Hey, thanks guys. Good afternoon. Similarly, we've lately been getting most of our questions around the agreements, both the Registry Agreement with ICANN and the Cooperative Agreement with

Ygal Arounian: Similarly, we've lately been getting most of our questions around the agreements, both the registry agreement with ICANN and the cooperative agreement with the Department of Commerce, and so maybe just an opportunity to clarify, you know, these are two separate contracts. Are they interrelated at all? The date that the DOC would have to... give you notice on whether or not they're not renewing the cooperative agreement. Is that August 2nd, just to clarify?

Speaker Change: with the Department of Commerce. And so maybe just an opportunity to clarify, you know, these are two separate contracts. Are they interrelated at all? The date that that the DOC would have to

Speaker Change: to give you notice.

Speaker Change: on whether if they're not renewing the cooperative agreement. Is that August 2nd, just to clarify? And then the part that people, I guess investors are

Ygal Arounian: And then the part that people, I guess investors are most confused about lately is where the pricing part of the contract sits. Does that sit with the Department of Commerce? Does that sit within the ICANN contract? Meaning, if the Department of Commerce sunsets the cooperative agreement, what happens to pricing? Where does that get negotiated or dealt with? Thanks.

Speaker Change: most confused about lately is where the pricing part of the contract sits. Does that sit with the Department of Commerce? Does that sit within the ICANN contract, meaning if

Speaker Change: If the Department of Commerce non-sets the cooperative agreement, what happens to the pricing? Where does that get negotiated or dealt with? Thanks.

Jim Bidzos: Okay, thanks Ygal. So maybe it would just be helpful if I briefly covered what the two contracts are at a very high level and, in the interest of time, and what their interrelationship is. I think that was the first thing that you asked me.

Speaker Change: Okay, thanks Ygal. So maybe it would just be helpful if I briefly covered what the two contracts are at a very high level and briefly on the interest of time and what their interrelationship is. I think that was the first thing that you asked me.

Jim Bidzos: So the cooperative agreement is between Verisign and the NTIA Department of Commerce, and that contract, in the past, prior to 2018, was a contract that oversaw the conditions of renewal for our registry agreement with ICANN. So after we negotiated with ICANN to exercise our presumptive right of renewal, the NTIA had to approve what we did. In 2018, Amendment 35 basically gave ongoing a priori consent to do that, provided that we didn't change certain provisions of the registry agreement with ICANN.

Speaker Change: So the cooperative agreement is between Verisign and the NTIA Department of Commerce.

Speaker Change: and that contract in the past, prior to 2018, was a contract that oversaw the conditions of renewal with our registry agreement with ICANN. So after we negotiated with ICANN to exercise our presumptive right of renewal,

Speaker Change: The NTIA had to approve what we did. In 2018, Amendment 35 basically gave ongoing...

Speaker Change: a priori

Speaker Change: consent to do that, provided that we didn't change certain provisions.

Jim Bidzos: The first one was that we not change the termination provisions, not change the performance requirements that we had to deliver, and not change the pricing. So, in 2018, there was a limited ability to raise prices.

Speaker Change: of the

Speaker Change: Registry Agreement with ICANN. The first one was that we not change the termination provisions, not change the performance requirements that we had to deliver, and not change the pricing. And so that pricing in 2018 was a limited ability to raise prices.

Jim Bidzos: And through Amendment 3 to the contract with ICANN, that new pricing that was permitted in 2018 is now part of the COM Registry Agreement, so therefore the uh... the uh... cooperative agreement has uh... three outcomes one is that uh... as it's coming up uh... for renewal here we know it's sort of a different word it's not quite like uh... the i can agreement the uh... department of commerce at the unilateral right to sunset the cooperative agreement if it chooses to and it has to get notice that it tends intense to do so we don't think by the way the sunset uh... i think uh... renewals sort of a stranger it's an evergreen renewal if if uh... nothing is done uh... the contract automatically renews under the exact same provisions that it has which is that we can pick we can get our uh... business done with i can and renew the common agreement provided we don't change those three things which we never seek to do However, as I said, they could sunset it and they have to give notice, and I believe that's the right date. I haven't looked at that part of the contract in a while, but I think that August date is the right one.

Speaker Change: and through Amendment 3 to the contract with ICANN, that new pricing that was permitted in 2018 is now part of the COM Registry Agreement.

Speaker Change: So, therefore, the cooperative agreement has three outcomes. One is that, as it's coming up for renewal here, renewal is sort of a different word, it's not quite like the ICANN agreement.

Jim Bidzos: So if they choose to sunset it, they have to give notice, and I believe that's the date by which they must give notice so that the contract, which will either expire or renew, will be at the end of November. So if they want to sunset it, they would give notice by August 2nd. If they do nothing, the contract will automatically renew for another six years with all of its provisions intact.

Speaker Change: Department of Commerce has the unilateral right to sunset the cooperative agreement if it chooses to, and it has to give notice that it intends to do so. We don't seek, by the way, the sunset.

Speaker Change: I think renewal is sort of a stranger. It's an evergreen renewal. If nothing is done, the contract automatically renews under the exact same provisions that it has, which is that we can get our business done with ICANN and renew the common agreement, provided we don't change those three things, which we never seek to do.

Speaker Change: However, as I said, they could sunset it and they have to give notice, and I believe that's the right date. I haven't looked at that part of the contract in a while, but I think that August date is the right one. So if they choose to sunset it, they have to give notice, and I believe that's the date by which they must give notice.

Speaker Change: So that the contract, which will either expire or renew, that would be at the end of November . So if they want to sunset it...

Speaker Change: They would give notice by August 2nd. If they do nothing, the contract will automatically renew for another six years with all of its provisions intact. Those are the outcomes that can't be changed unless we mutually agree to whatever changes. So that's that's the cooperative agreement, the ICANN agreement.

Jim Bidzos: Those are the outcomes that can't be changed unless we mutually agree to whatever changes. So that's the cooperative agreement, the ICAN agreement. Although separate, as you can see now, it requires that we don't change those three things, which we never seek to do.

Speaker Change: All those separate, as you can see now, requires that we don't change those three things, which we never seek to do. And with ICANN, like every one of the hundreds, actually thousands, of registry agreements, they all contain a presumptive right of renewal.

Ygal Arounian: And with ICAN, like every one of the hundreds, actually thousands, of registry agreements, they all contain a presumptive right of renewal, which we've exercised most recently with.NET, a relatively straightforward renewal. And I think we got a question on the last call, so maybe I'll anticipate that you're thinking it. We are engaged with ICAN. We are very much engaged in preparing the DOTCOM registry renewal, which comes up for renewal by November 30th. So we're well in advance of that, and we're working on it. I hope that answers your question.

Speaker Change: and that we've exercised most recently with .NET, a relatively straightforward renewal.

Speaker Change: And I think we got a question on the last call, so maybe I'll anticipate that you're thinking it. We are engaged with ICANN. We are very much engaged in...

Speaker Change: preparing the dot-com registry renewal, which comes up for renewal by November 30th. So we're well in advance of that, and we're working on it. I hope that answers your question.

Jim Bidzos: It does, and I know it's a multi-part question. Just to be clear, the wholesale pricing component right now sits between Verisign and ICANN in the registry agreement, is that correct?

Speaker Change: I know it's a multi-part question, just to be clear, the wholesale pricing component right now sits between Verisign and ICANN in the registry agreement, is that correct?

Jim Bidzos: Well, it was negotiated with the Department of Commerce in 2018, and through Amendment 3 in 2020, it was moved into the Com Agreement, as it's required to do. Those changes in the Cooperative Agreement pass on yet, and we can't change them in our negotiations with ICANN, so they stay as performance requirements and as do the termination provisions. And you can see how all those work together.

Speaker Change: Well, it was negotiated with the Department of Commerce in 2018, and through Amendment 3 in 2020, it was moved into the Com Agreement, as it's required to do.

Speaker Change: Those changes in the cooperative agreement pass on yet, so.

Speaker Change: And we can't change them in our negotiations with ICANN, so they stay as does the performance requirements and as do the termination provisions. And you can see how all those work together.

Ygal Arounian: Yeah, yeah, understood. There's a lot of legal elements here. So that's it.

Speaker Change: Yeah, understood. There's a lot of legal elements here. It's a bit tricky, but...

Jim Bidzos: It's a bit tricky, but it. Yeah, no, I understand. But if you look carefully at the different components, the outcomes sort of, you know, are pretty straightforward. Yeah, understood. And that's really helpful clarification. Thank you. I want to ask about the marketing that you're doing with the ride insurance in the US. I know you're saying it's just a couple of weeks, but maybe there's and the outcome is not going to come until next year, but maybe there's a little bit that you can, a little bit of color that you can add on what you're doing there and what the receptiveness has been from the registrars. Anything that would be helpful would be helpful, thanks.

Speaker Change: Yeah, no, I understand, but if you look carefully at the different components, the outcomes sort of, you know, are pretty straightforward.

Speaker Change: Yeah, understood. And that's really helpful clarification. Thank you. I want to ask about...

Speaker Change: I want to ask about the marketing that you're doing with the registrars in the U.S. I know you're saying it's just a couple of weeks, but maybe there's... and the outcome is not going to come until next year, but maybe there's a little bit of color that you can add on what you're doing there.

George E. Kilguss: Sure, George is taking the lead on that, so go, George.

Speaker Change: what the receptiveness has been from the registrars, anything that would be helpful. Thanks.

George E. Kilguss: Well, thanks, Jim. So, yeah, Ygal, you know, as we mentioned last quarter, in addition to the annual marketing programs that we launched at the beginning of the year, we have rolled out some new programs. During late Q2, we launched some new programs on.NET, and this quarter, we've rolled out some programs to the registrar community on.com. Again, you know, our strategy is really to broaden the options that registrars can choose from, depending on their different business models, geographic footprints, and installed bases.

Speaker Change: Sure, George is taking the lead on that. So, George.

George E. Kilguss: Well, thanks, Jim. So.

George E. Kilguss: Hey Ygal, as we mentioned last quarter, in addition to the annual marketing programs that we launched at the beginning of the year, we have rolled out some new programs.

George E. Kilguss: During late Q2, we launched...

George E. Kilguss: some new programs on .NET and

George E. Kilguss: This quarter we've rolled out some programs to the registrar community on dot-com

George E. Kilguss: Again, our strategy is really to broaden the options that registrars can choose from depending on their different business models, geographic footprints, and installed bases.

George E. Kilguss: You know, I would say the initial feedback has been positive about those programs, but it is early, and you know, of course, while we've had, I think, some good registrar engagement there, it will take a little bit of time for registrars to work those programs into their go-to-market strategies. So, still early days, but we've gotten some initial feedback, and as you may also know, we will start working here in the fourth quarter to modify and enhance and target additional programs for 2025.

George E. Kilguss: You know, I would say the initial feedback has been positive to those programs.

George E. Kilguss: But it is early and, you know, of course, while we've had, I think, some good registrar engagement there, it will take a little bit of time for registrars to work those programs into their go-to-market strategies.

George E. Kilguss: [inaudible]

George E. Kilguss: We tend to ramp that up in the fourth quarter and begin to talk to registrars about those programs as well. So, any of the programs that we've rolled out that we get feedback on, we'll look to try to tweak those to make sure that they work best for the registrar community.

George E. Kilguss: that we get feedback on. We'll look to try to tweak those to make sure that they work best for the registrar community.

Ygal Arounian: All right, thanks. And I'll ask you one last question.

Speaker Change: All right, thanks. And I'll ask one last one. Just on the updated domain guidance, or you're giving down 3% at the low end, that would, based on the first half, the current trends, that would...

George E. Kilguss: Just on the updated domain guidance, or you're giving down 3% at the low end, that would, you know, based on the first half, the current trends that would seem to imply trends get worse, not continue at the current level. So just want to know how to think about that number. Is it just incremental caution around the trends? Is it something you're seeing, or what needs to happen to get to go from down 2 to down 3? What's contemplated there? Thank you. Yeah, sure.

Speaker Change: Trends get worse, not continue at the current level. So just want to know how to think about that number. Is it just incremental caution around the trends? Is it something you're seeing, or what needs to happen to go from down two to down three? What's contemplated there? Thank you guys.

George E. Kilguss: Yeah, sure. So, you know, if you look at, simply, if you look at the first half of the year, we're down about two million names for the first six months. And so, the midpoint of our guidance suggests that that trend's probably going to continue here for the second half. Having said that, on the upside, if some of our marketing programs start taking root, or, as Jim mentioned, if, you know, registrars stop being as aggressive in the marketplace with ARPU, or, you know, there has been some recent news out of China where the Chinese government has put some stimulus into that marketplace.

Speaker Change: Yeah, sure. So, you know, if you look at simply if you look at the first half of the year, we're

Speaker Change: For the first six months, we're down about 2 million names, and so the midpoint of our guidance suggests that that trend is probably going to continue here for the second half.

Speaker Change: Having said that, on the upside, if some of our marketing programs start taking...

Speaker Change: Root, or as Jim mentioned, if.

Jim Bidzos: you know, registrars stop...

Speaker Change: you know being as aggressive in the marketplace with with ARPU or you know there has been some recent news out of China where the Chinese government has put some stimulus in to that marketplace if those things start to take root I think those are positive and can close that gap a little bit for us on the on the downside to the extent any of those trends worsen i.e. the China market continues to not turn around or or worsens and you know renewal rates from some of the registrar activities continuing to exercise their their pricing flexibility weaken that that could potentially get to the bottom of that range but right now you know I think the simplest

George E. Kilguss: If those things start to take root, I think those are positive and can close that gap a little bit for us. On the downside, to the extent any of those trends worsen, i.e., the Chinese market continues to not turn around, or worsens, and, you know, renewal rates from some of the registrar activities continuing to exercise their pricing flexibility, we could, that could potentially get to the bottom of that range. But right now, you know, I think the simplest thing: the midpoint of our guidance suggests that the second half will be similar to the first half of this year.

Speaker Change: The midpoint of our guidance suggests that the second half will be similar to the first half of this year.

Jim Bidzos: Hey Ygal, this is Jim. I just, there's a couple of other things in the cooperative agreement that can't be changed. We normally don't think of them because they aren't generally of interest to investors, but I think everybody is aware of them. But one is that we cannot be vertically integrated for.com. We cannot be our own registrar for.com, and uh... i think you might recall that in amendment thirty five, we got clarification that it only applies to dot com. So, we don't have any plans to become a registrar for anything, but there is a restriction in a cooperative agreement that has been for forever that we cannot, for quite a few years, be our own registrar for.com. And there's a function called Who Is, where people can query registrations, and there are some requirements to continue to support that.

Speaker Change: Great, thank you guys.

Speaker Change: Hey Ygal, this is Jim. There's a couple of other things in the cooperative agreement that can't be changed. We normally don't think of them because they aren't generally of interest to investors.

Speaker Change: I think everybody's aware of them, but one is that we cannot be vertically integrated for DOTCOM. We cannot be our own registrar for DOTCOM. And I think you might recall that in Amendment 35 we got clarification that that only applies to DOTCOM.

Speaker Change: So, we don't have any plans to become a registrar for anything, but there is a restriction in a cooperative agreement, has been forever, that we cannot, for quite a few years, that we cannot be our own registrar for .com.

Speaker Change: And there's a function called whois where people can query registrations and there are some requirements to continue to support that.

Jim Bidzos: Just for all clarity, I think there's one more technical one, but it's all in Amendment 35, pretty easy to find. But I think the important ones for investors are pricing, SLA, the service level agreement, performance, and termination. And we don't seek, by the way, to change any of the other ones either. Since we got clarification on vertical integration, there's really nothing in the cooperative agreement that we would seek to change, and we don't seek extermination or sunset.

Speaker Change: Just for all clarity, I think there's one more technical one, but it's all in Amendment 35, pretty easy to find. But I think the important ones for investors are.

Speaker Change: Pricing, SLA, the service level agreement, the performance, and termination.

Speaker Change: By the way, we don't seek to change any of the other ones either. Since we got clarification on the vertical integration, there's really nothing in the cooperative agreement that we would seek to change and we don't seek extermination or sunset.

Ygal Arounian: Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Speaker Change: Got it. Thanks for the clarifications.

Robert Cooney Oliver: We will take our last question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Speaker Change: Sure.

Speaker Change: We will take our last question from Rob Oliver with Baird.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Great. Thanks for squeezing me in for one more, guys.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Jim or George, just a question on capital allocation. I saw you guys re-upped the buyback. I guess, Jim, just thinking about your time, You know, since returning to Verisign, you've essentially unwound so many of the non-core businesses, which our view has been this is a tremendous competitive advantage for you guys. However, it was interesting, in response to Ygal's question, what you just said about vertical integration, because yes, clearly you can't do that with .com, but I'm just wondering the extent to which the current malaise in .com growth and some of the activity with new GTLDs, coupled with the very strong financial position that you guys have, might cause you to rethink your capital allocation strategy, either via M&A or getting more aggressive with the new GTLD market, or in any other way.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Great, thanks for squeezing me in for one more, guys. Jim or George, just a question on capital allocation. I saw you guys re-upped the buyback. I guess, Jim, just thinking about your time.

Jim Bidzos: Thank you.

Robert Cooney Oliver: You know, since returning to Verisign, you've essentially unwound so many of the non-core businesses, which, you know, our view has been this is a tremendous competitive advantage for you guys. However, it was interesting, you know, in response to Ygal's question, what you just said about vertical integration, because yes, clearly you can't do that with .com, but I'm just wondering the extent to which the current malaise in .com growth and some of the activity with new GTLDs, coupled with the very strong financial position that you guys have, might cause you to rethink your capital allocation strategy, either via, you know, M&A or getting more aggressive with the new GTLD market or in any other way. Thank you.

Jim Bidzos: It's a good question. We don't guide to any of those things. I'd be reluctant to say anything about it.

Jim Bidzos: Now, we do. I will say, though, that, as you're aware, we have pursued growth through the pursuit of a new TLD.web. And that continues, of course, in litigation. And there's no update, unfortunately, this quarter.

Speaker Change: It's a good question. We don't guide to any of those things, so I'd be reluctant to say anything about it. I will say, though, that, as you're aware, we have pursued growth through the pursuit of a new TLD.web, and that continues, of course, in litigation, and there's no update, unfortunately, this quarter.

Jim Bidzos: But I think that adding a new TLD and giving our customers more choice was a good plan, a good growth plan for us. But also, too, remember that our primary mission, you know, the 328 billion queries a day and delivering that, and having delivered it for 27 years, is our primary mission. We have a strategic framework that balances growth against meeting our SLAs, which is obviously a very important thing. So we certainly have the flexibility to become a registrar for.web if we wanted to.

Speaker Change: But I think that adding a new DFTLD and giving our customers more choice was a good plan, a good growth plan for us.

Speaker Change: But also, too, remember that our primary mission, you know, the 328 billion queries a day, and delivering that and having delivered it for 27 years is a primary mission. We have a strategic framework that balances growth against meeting our SLAs, which is obviously a very important thing.

Jim Bidzos: But all the other things that you mentioned, we have no intention of doing that. But the other things that you mentioned, we wouldn't guide to, and they are complicated processes. All I can say is that if you look at our long track record of capital allocation, as you can see from our financial results today, it's serving us well.

Speaker Change: So we certainly have the flexibility to become a registrar for .web if we wanted to. But all the other things that you mentioned, we have no intention of doing that.

Speaker Change: But the other things that you mentioned we wouldn't guide to and are complicated processes. All I can say is that if you look at our long track record of capital allocation, as you can see from our financial results today, it's serving us well.

Robert Cooney Oliver: Thanks, Jim. I appreciate it.

Speaker Change: Great.

Speaker Change: Thanks, Jim. I appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

David Atchley: This does conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to David Atchley for final remarks.

Speaker Change: This does conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to David Atchley for final remarks.

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