Q2 2024 CONMED Corp Earnings Call
Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Conmed's second quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call.
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Speaker Change: You'll also hear management refer to non-GAP or adjusted measurements during this discussion.
Speaker Change: While these figures are not the substitute for gap measurements, management uses these figures to aid in monitoring the company's ongoing financial performance from quarter to quarter and year to year on a regular basis, and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies.
Speaker Change: Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measures the income of the company excluding credits or charges that are considered by the company to be special or outside of its normal ongoing operations.
Curt R. Hartman: These adjusted items are specified in a reconciliation supporting the company's earnings releases posted on the company's website. With these required announcements completed, I will turn the call over to Curt Hartman, Conmed's Chair of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks. Mr. Hartman?
Operator: You also hear management refer to non-GAAP or adjusted measurements during this discussion. While these figures are not a substitute for GAAP measurements, management uses these figures to aid in monitoring the company's ongoing financial performance from quarter to quarter and year to year on a regular basis and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies. Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measure the income of the company, excluding credits or charges that are considered by the company to be special or outside of its normal ongoing operations.
Operator: These adjusted items are specified in a reconciliation supporting the company's earnings releases posted on the company's website. With these required announcements completed, I will turn the call over to Curt Hartman, Conmed's Chair of the Board, President, and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks. Mr. Hartman?
Curt R. Hartman: Thank you, Amy. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for Conmed's second quarter 2024 earnings call. With me on the call is Todd Garner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Pat Beyer, our Chief Operating Officer.
Curt R. Hartman: Thank you, Amy. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for Conmed's second quarter 2024 earnings call. With me on the call is Todd Garner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Pat Beyer, our Chief Operating Officer. Today we will share with you our second quarter results and the overall outlook for our business. We will then open the call to your questions.
Speaker Change: Today, we will share with you our second quarter results and the overall outlook for our business. We will then open the call to your questions.
Curt R. Hartman: I'll start by reviewing our second quarter results. Total sales for the quarter were $332 million, representing a year-over-year increase of 4.5% as reported and 5.2% in constant current. This performance delivered a record high quarterly sales result and was within our range of expectation. From an earnings perspective, during the second quarter, our GAAP net income totaled $30 million. This compares to net income of $13.7 million in the second quarter of 2023. Excluding special items that affected comparability, our adjusted net income of $30.6 million increased 17.2% year-over-year, and our adjusted diluted net earnings per share of $0.98 increased 18.1% year-over-year.
Speaker Change: I'll start by reviewing our second quarter results.
Speaker Change: Total sales for the quarter were $332 million, representing a year-over-year increase of 4.5%, as reported, and 5.2% in constant currency.
Speaker Change: This performance delivered a record high quarterly sales result and was within our range of expectations. From an earnings perspective, during the second quarter, our GAAP net income totaled $30 million. This compares to net income of $13.7 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: Excluding special items that affected comparability, our adjusted net income of $30.6 million increased 17.2% year-over-year, and our adjusted diluted net earnings per share of $0.98 increased 18.1% year-over-year.
Curt R. Hartman: Overall, we had several areas of strong financial performance in the quarter, including gross margin, adjusted EPS, and our leverage ratio, which Todd will cover. Jumping into the key product categories, on the orthopedic side of the business, we did not clear the supply constraints to the level we had expected. While the absolute dollar level of backorder is back to normal, the current mix is far more weighted to our core single-use disposables and implant categories, and this, by nature, creates inefficiencies for our sales team.
Speaker Change: Overall, we had several areas of strong financial performance in the quarter to include gross margin, adjusted EPS, and our leverage ratio, which Todd will cover.
Todd: Jumping into the key product categories, on the orthopedic side of the business, we did not clear the supply constraints.
Todd: to the level we had expected.
Todd: while the absolute dollar level of backorder is back to normal.
Todd: The current mix is far more weighted to our core single-use disposables and implant categories, and this by nature creates inefficiencies for our sales teams.
Curt R. Hartman: Those missed opportunities result in lost sales as customers have alternatives in many of these categories. Additionally, this slows our team's ability to be fully on offense going after new customers. This leaves us behind our initial plan entering Q3 and requires us to lower guidance for the remainder of the year.
Todd: Those missed opportunities result in lost sales as customers have alternatives in many of these categories. Further, this slows our team's ability to be fully on offense going after new customers.
Todd: This leaves us behind our initial plan entering Q3 and requires us to lower guidance for the remainder of the year. We understand this performance is frustrating for both our customers and our investors.
Curt R. Hartman: We understand this performance is frustrating for both our customers and our investors. However, on the general surgery side of the business, demand remained healthy across the portfolio. Regarding AirSeal, while it is still very early in the rollout of the new surgical robot, I wanted to provide you with some insight into what we are seeing after its first full quarter in the market. First, in the quarter, our U.S. AirSeal Capital unit sales grew faster than they did in the prior year quarter. We are seeing no sales slowdown on AirSeal Capital.
Curt R. Hartman: Second, we understand that the first locations to receive the new robot were likely a targeted list of key customers. We also understand these locations are expected to commit to a certain number of procedures using the full features of the robot before they make any adjustments based on their preferences. Against that backdrop, in this very early window, our initial surveillance shows that the percentage of surgeons that returned to AirSeal after their initial committed number of procedures on the new robot appears to be consistent with the percentage of surgeons that chose AirSeal on the previous generation.
Speaker Change: On the general surgery side of the business, demand remained healthy across the portfolio. Regarding AirSeal, while it is still very early in the rollout of the new surgical robot, I wanted to provide you with some insight into what we are seeing after its first full quarter in the market.
Curt R. Hartman: This shows that clinical precision in sufflation at low pressure remains a user preference. Additionally, AirSeal is used in roughly a third of robotic surgical procedures today, and those surgeries are concentrated in longer, more complex procedures such as prostatectomy, nephrectomy, hysterectomy, and bariatric surgery. These procedures typically stress standard insufflation due to leaks, smoke evacuation, suction requirements, and large cavity volume demand. We believe, and our early surveillance confirms, that, based on patient outcomes and numerous published clinical studies, that the procedures most likely to use AirSeal today will be the same procedures that use AirSeal with the new robot. I will now turn the call over to Todd, who will provide a more detailed analysis of our Q2 financial performance and take you through our updated full-year guidance. Thank you.
Todd W. Garner: All sales growth numbers I referenced today will be given in constant current. The reconciliation to GAP numbers is included in a press release.
Speaker Change: First, in the quarter, our U.S. AirSeal Capital unit sales grew faster than they did in the prior year quarter. We are seeing no sales slowdown on AirSeal Capital. Second, we understand that the first locations to receive the new robot were likely a targeted list of key customers.
Speaker Change: We also understand these locations are expected to commit to a certain number of procedures using the full feature set of the robot before they make any adjustments based on their preference.
Speaker Change: against that backdrop in this very early window.
Speaker Change: Our initial surveillance shows that the percentage of surgeons
Speaker Change: that returned to AirSeal after their initial committed number of procedures on the new robot appears to be consistent with the percentage of surgeons
Speaker Change: that chose AirSeal on the previous generation.
Speaker Change: This shows that clinical precision in sufflation at low pressure remains a user preference.
Speaker Change: Third, AirSeal is used in roughly a third of robotic surgical procedures today and those surgeries are concentrated in longer, more complex procedures such as prostatectomy, nephrectomy, hysterectomy, and bariatric surgery.
Speaker Change: These procedures typically stress standard insufflation due to leaks, smoke evacuation, suction requirements, and large cavity volume demand.
Speaker Change: We believe, and our early surveillance confirms, that based on patient outcomes and numerous published clinical studies, that the procedures are most likely to use AirSeal today will be the same procedures that use AirSeal with the new robot.
Todd W. Garner: As usual, we have included an investor deck on our website that summarizes the results of the quarter and our updated guidance. For the second quarter of 2024, our total sales increased 5.2%. In Q2, our sales in the U.S. increased 6.1% versus the prior year quarter, and our international sales grew 4.0%. Worldwide orthopedics declined 0.1% in the second quarter, while in the US, orthopedic sales declined 0.4%.
Speaker Change: I will now turn the call over to Todd who will provide a more detailed analysis of our Q2 financial performance and take you through our updated full year guidance. Todd? Thank you, Curt.
Todd: All sales growth numbers I referenced today will be given in constant currency. The reconciliation to GAAP numbers is included in a press release.
Speaker Change: As usual, we have included an investor deck on our website that summarizes the results of the quarter and our updated guidance.
Todd: For the second quarter of 2024, our total sales increased 5.2 percent.
Todd: For Q2, our sales in the U.S. increased 6.1% versus the prior year quarter, and our international sales grew 4.0%.
Todd: Worldwide orthopedics declined 0.1 percent in the second quarter. In the U.S., orthopedic sales declined 0.4 percent and internationally orthopedic sales grew 0.1 percent.
Todd W. Garner: And internationally, orthopedic sales grew 0.1%. We've talked about our supply chain issues in our sports medicine and foot and ankle businesses, and we expected Q2 to be a transition back to the office. But, as Curt said, that transition is taking longer than we expected.
Todd: We've talked about our supply chain issues in our sports medicine and foot and ankle businesses and we expected Q2 to be a transition back to offense. As Curt said, that transition is taking longer than we expected.
Todd W. Garner: Total worldwide general surgery revenue increased 9.4% in the quarter. U.S. general surgery revenue grew 8.9%, while international general surgery revenue increased 10.5%. So the general surgery side of the business continues to be healthy and perform in line with historical trends. Consistent with the data that Curt provided on AirSeal, we continue to see very good global growth in that product.
Speaker Change: Total worldwide general surgery revenue increased 9.4% in the quarter. U.S. general surgery revenue grew 8.9% while internationally general surgery revenue increased 10.5%.
Curt: So the general surgery side of the business continues to be healthy and perform in line with historical trends.
Speaker Change: Consistent with the data that Curt provided on AirSeal, we continue to see very good global growth in that product line.
Todd W. Garner: Now let's move to the expense side of the income statement. We will discuss expenses and profitability in the second quarter, excluding special items, which include charges for acquisitions and contingent consideration, termination of distributor agreements, legal matters, software implementation costs, amortization of intangible assets, and amortization of deferred financing fees. Adjusted gross margin for the second quarter was 55.3%, an increase of 90 basis points compared to the prior year quarter. Research and Development Expense for the second quarter was 4.2% of sales, 10 basis points lower than the prior year.
Speaker Change: Now let's move to the expense side of the income statement.
Speaker Change: We will discuss expenses and profitability in the second quarter, excluding special items, which include charges for acquisitions and contingent consideration, termination of distributor agreements, legal matters, software implementation costs, amortization of intangible assets, and amortization of deferred financing fees, net of tax.
Speaker Change: Adjusted gross margin for the second quarter was 55.3%, an increase of 90 basis points compared to the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: Research and development expense for the second quarter was 4.2% of sales, 10 basis points lower than the prior year quarter.
Todd W. Garner: Second quarter adjusted SG&A expenses were 36.9% of sales, 50 basis points lower than the prior year. On an adjusted basis, interest expense was $8.2 million in the second quarter. The adjusted effective tax rate in Q2 was 24.0%.
Speaker Change: Second quarter adjusted SG&A expenses were 36.9% of sales, 50 basis points lower than the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: On an adjusted basis, interest expense was $8.2 million in the second quarter.
Speaker Change: The adjusted effective tax rate in Q2 was 24.0%.
Todd W. Garner: Second quarter gap net income was $30.0 million. This compares to gap net income of $13.7 million in Q2 of 2023. Gap earnings per diluted share were $0.96 this quarter compared to $0.43 a year ago.
Speaker Change: Second quarter gap net income was $30.0 million. This compares to gap net income of $13.7 million in Q2 of 2023.
Speaker Change: Gap earnings per diluted share were $0.96 this quarter compared to $0.43 a year ago.
Todd W. Garner: Excluding the impact of special items discussed earlier in the second quarter, we reported adjusted net income of $30.6 million, an increase of 17.2 percent compared to the second quarter of 2023. Our Q2 adjusted diluted net earnings per share were $0.98, an increase of 18.1% compared to the prior year quarter. Turning to the balance sheet, our cash balance at the end of the quarter was $28.9 million, compared to $33.9 million as of March 31.
Speaker Change: Excluding the impact of special items discussed earlier in the second quarter, we reported adjusted net income of $30.6 million, an increase of 17.2% compared to the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: Our Q2 adjusted diluted net earnings per share were 98 cents, an increase of 18.1% compared to the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: Turning to the balance sheet, our cash balance at the end of the quarter was $28.9 million, compared to $33.9 million as of March 31.
Todd W. Garner: The number of receivable days as of June 30th were 65 compared to 70 at the end of March and 65 a year ago. Inventory days at quarter end were 196 compared to 207 in March and 200 a year ago. Long-term debt at the end of the quarter was $965.2 million versus $990.1 million as of March 31.
Speaker Change: Accounts receivable days as of June 30th were 65 compared to 70 at the end of March and 65 a year ago.
Speaker Change: Inventory days at quarter end were 196 compared to 207 in March and 200 a year ago.
Speaker Change: Long-term debt at the end of the quarter was $965.2 million versus $990.1 million as of March 31st.
Todd W. Garner: Our leverage ratio on June 30th was 3.8 times, which was better than we expected. So, all balance sheet metrics moved in the right direction in the quarter, and we're improving our working capital control. Cash flow provided from operations in the quarter was $43.3 million, compared to $26.7 million in the second quarter of 2022. Capital expenditures in the second quarter were $3.6 million, compared to $4.5 million a year ago.
Speaker Change: Our leverage ratio on June 30th was 3.8 times, which was better than we expected.
Speaker Change: So, all balance sheet metrics moved in the right direction in the quarter, and we're improving in our working capital controls.
Speaker Change: Cash flow provided from operations in the quarter was $43.3 million, compared to $26.7 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: Capital expenditures in the second quarter were $3.6 million compared to $4.5 million a year ago.
Todd W. Garner: Now let's turn to financial guidance. Revenue in the first half of the year is very close to what we expected at the beginning of the year. However, we expected to have better improvement in our global orthopedics business at this point. We knew we had supply challenges to work through early in the year, and we expected our teams to be fully back on offense by July 1st. While we have made significant improvements with the supply chain, and our back order is back to pre-pandemic levels, we remain hand-to-mouth on too many items, which is impeding our ability to be fully back on offer.
Speaker Change: Now let's turn to financial guidance.
Speaker Change: The revenue in the first half of the year is very close to what we expected at the beginning of the year. However, we expected to have better improvement in our global orthopedics business at this point.
Speaker Change: We knew we had supply challenges to work through early in the year, and we expected our teams to be fully back on offense by July 1st.
Speaker Change: While we have made significant improvements with the supply chain, and our backorder is back to pre-pandemic levels, we remain hand-to-mouth on too many items, which is impeding our ability to be fully back on offense.
Todd W. Garner: Of course, this is a central focus for us, and we believe that we should be in a much stronger position by the end of the year. In Q1, we grew 5.9%, and in Q2, we grew 5.2%, both against the strong growth rates we saw throughout 2023. So we've grown between 5% and 6% constant currency in the first half of the year. We think it's prudent to expect that same level of growth in the second half of the year, with Q3 on the lower part of that range.
Speaker Change: Of course, this is a central focus for us, and we believe that we should be in a much stronger position by the end of the year.
Speaker Change: In Q1, we grew 5.9%, and in Q2, we grew 5.2%, both against the strong growth rates we saw throughout 2023.
Speaker Change: So we've grown between 5% and 6% constant currency in the first half of the year.
Speaker Change: We think it's prudent to expect that same level of growth in the second half of the year with Q3 on the lower part of that range.
Todd W. Garner: We project about 50 basis points of currency headwind in the third quarter and immaterial FX in Q4. That would put our full year reported revenue guidance between $1.305 billion and $1.315 billion. Our focus will be to strengthen our operational foundation over the next six months, increase the confidence of our sales forces, particularly in orthopedics, and be back to full offense by the start of 2025. With orthopedics being slower in the back half of the year than we expected, that has an impact on our gross margin.
Speaker Change: We project about 50 basis points of currency headwind in the third quarter and immaterial FX in Q4.
Speaker Change: That would put our full year reported revenue guidance between $1.305 billion and $1.315 billion.
Speaker Change: Our focus will be to strengthen our operational foundation over the next six months, increase the confidence of our sales forces, particularly in orthopedics, and be back to full offense by the start of 2025.
Speaker Change: With orthopedics being slower in the back half of the year than we expected, that has an impact on gross margins.
Todd W. Garner: For the first six months of 2024, we improved gross margins by 130 basis points compared to 2023, consistent with our initial guidance for the year of improvement between 100 and 150 basis points. And we continue to project improving margins sequentially. We expect Q3 to be in the mid-56% range and Q4 to be around 57%. That would put us around a hundred basis points improvement on a year, with the mixed engine still very positive and driving us north.
Speaker Change: For the first six months of 2024, we improved gross margins by 130 basis points compared to 2023, consistent with our initial guidance for the year of improvement between 100 and 150 basis points.
Speaker Change: And we continue to project improving margins sequentially. We expect Q3 to be in the mid-56% range and Q4 to be around 57%.
Speaker Change: That would put us around 100 basis point improvement on a year, with the mixed engine still very positive and driving us northward.
Todd W. Garner: Again, our focus over the next six months will be to improve our internal operations, and we believe that will allow us to continue to improve margins at a higher pace than the vast majority of medtech companies. We've included in our IR deck how this revised guidance impacts our original 2024 guidance for SG&A, interest expense, and the tax rate. We will continue to invest in the business to improve our revenue growth, but we will grow expenses slower than revenue.
Speaker Change: Again, our focus over the next six months will be to improve our internal operations, and we believe that will allow us to continue to improve margins at a higher pace than the vast majority of medtech.
Speaker Change: We've included in our IR deck how this revised guidance impacts our original 2024 guidance for SG&A, interest expense, and the tax rate.
Speaker Change: We will continue to invest in the business to improve our revenue growth, but grow expenses slower than revenue.
Speaker Change: We project EPS growth to be between 9% and 11% in Q3 and between 13% and 18% in Q4.
Speaker Change: That would put our new full year guidance for adjusted EPS between $3.95 and $4.02.
Speaker Change: representing growth between 14.5% and 16.5%.
Speaker Change: Still much better than the vast majority of med tech.
Speaker Change: While we are disappointed by the need to reset our guidance lower than our initial expectations on the year, we believe these numbers are responsible and demonstrate a healthy growth company on the top and bottom lines with upside in the future.
Todd W. Garner: We project EPS growth to be between 9% and 11% in Q3 and between 13% and 18% in Q4. That would put our new full-year guidance for adjusted EPS between $3.95 and $4.02, representing growth between 14.5% and 16.5%, still much better than the vast majority of med tech. While we're disappointed by the need to reset our guidance lower than our initial expectations for the year, we believe these numbers are responsible and demonstrate a healthy growth company on the top and bottom lines with upside in the future. We are focused on executing and winning in the marketplace with our improving engines. And with that, we'd like to open the call to your questions and turn it back to Amy.
Speaker Change: We are focused on executing and winning in the marketplace with our improving engine.
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again.
Speaker Change: And with that, we'd like to open the call to your questions and turn it back to Amy.
Amy: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again. You will be limited to one question and one follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Operator: You will be limited to one question and one follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes from the line of Rick Wise with Stiefel. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: And our first question comes from the line of Rick Wise with Stiefel. Your line is open.
Curt R. Hartman: Good afternoon to you both. I appreciate the good things about the quarter and the first half. It's frustrating to hear about the second half, but can you help me, help us better understand exactly what's happening with the supply chain? What specifically has not been rammed, which specific products, and help us, in as concrete terms as possible, understand what you can do, what you are doing to get it back on track, and what's taking so long, frankly?
Rick Wise: Good afternoon to you both. I appreciate the good things about the quarter and the first half. It's frustrating to hear about the second half.
Rick Wise: But can you help me, help us better understand...
Speaker Change: exactly what's happening with the supply chain.
Speaker Change: what specifically has not rammed, which specific products, and help us just in as concrete terms as possible.
Speaker Change: understand what you can do, what you are doing to get it back on track and what's taking so long frankly.
Curt R. Hartman: Yeah, Rick, there's a lot to unpackage in that question. There are a number of things. Let me start with the products, as we said in the script. Key implantables in orthopedics, and that includes not only sports medicine, the key markets of knee and shoulder, but also the foot and ankle business. Now, I would say with that comment that foot and ankle implants exit the midpoint of the year in much better shape than the knee and shoulder implant categories.
Speaker Change: Yeah Rick, a lot to unpackage in that question. There's a number of things. Let me start with the products as we said in the script.
Speaker Change: key implantables in orthopedics, and that includes not only sports medicine.
Speaker Change: Key Markets of Knee and Shoulder, but also in the foot and ankle business. Now I would say with that comment, foot and ankle exit the mid-point of the year in much better shape.
Curt R. Hartman: That's where we're still struggling to catch up. Part of the challenge is variability and surprise in our supplier base. As an example, we've had seven suppliers unexpectedly close their doors on us this year, and not just us, but everybody they were serving, and this is not a business where you can just rapidly pick up things and start producing tomorrow night after they close tonight. It takes time and validation and qualification, and it only takes one component to put a product on a supply constraint, and so those are the type of things we're dealing with.
Speaker Change: than the knee and shoulder implant categories. That's where we're still.
Speaker Change: struggling to catch up.
Speaker Change: Part of the challenge is variability and surprise in our supplier base. As an example, we've had seven suppliers.
Speaker Change: unexpectedly closed their doors on us this year,
Speaker Change: And this is not a business where you can just rapidly pick up things and start producing tomorrow night after they close tonight. It takes time and validation and qualification, and it only takes one component to put a product
Curt R. Hartman: We've had other individualized issues, machine downtimes that crimp supply. We've had material availability issues. So it's not one thing I would point to that is slowing everything down. There are a host of issues, and the teams in our manufacturing sites are very dedicated and focused and working diligently to find alternate suppliers, to qualify those alternate suppliers, to get product availability in stock, to really focus on the key items that our sales teams and customers are asking for, and everybody's frustrated. I think we understand that clearly.
Speaker Change: on a supply constraint. And so those are the type of things we're dealing with. We've had other individualized issues, machine downtimes that crimp supply.
Speaker Change: We've had material availability issues, so it's not one thing I would point to that is slowing everything down. It's been a host of issues.
Todd W. Garner: Right. And just to follow up, you gave some very detailed, very clear guidance. Todd, and just thinking, just I feel like if I get the third quarter right, you know, I'm going to get, be able to get to the fourth quarter of the year, just, you know, you're implying operating margins step up, I think, 70 bits or so sequentially, but my rough initial math here, and maybe I'm just way off, you'll help me, is third quarter sales, You know, based on just my rough back of the envelope hearing your comments, does that sound like the place that you'd hope people would be?
Speaker Change: And everybody's frustrated. I think we understand that clearly.
Speaker Change: Right. And just to follow up, you gave some very detailed, very clear guidance.
Speaker Change: Todd, and just thinking, just I feel like if I get the third quarter right, you know, I'm going to get
Speaker Change: be able to get to the fourth quarter of the year. Just, you know, you're implying operating margins step up, I think, 70 bits or so sequentially, but my rough initial math here, and maybe I'm just way off, you'll help me, is third quarter sales.
Speaker Change: Maybe in the, whatever, 319, 320 kind of area and EPS at 99 cents, you know, based on just my rough back of the envelope, hearing your comments, does that sound like the place that you'd hope people would be?
Operator: Yeah, I'm going to stick to my disclosure, Rick, if you don't mind. Low fives, percent growth, constant currency with 50 basis points of FX headwind in Q3. And then we said 9% to 11% growth in EPS.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'm going to stick to my disclosure, Rick, if you don't mind. Low fives percent growth, constant currency with 50 basis points of FX headwind in Q3, and then we said 9 to 11 percent growth in EPS.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Operator: Okay. Thanks for taking the questions. I appreciate it. Two for me.
Robert Justin Marcus: Okay, thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate it. Two for me. First,
Todd W. Garner: First, Todd, when we came in, I remember we met at the JPMorgan Conference in January this year, and at that point, the elevated margin expansion targets for 2024 and 2025 were still on the table. You've clearly had supply issues this year. Are those margin targets... gone at this point? Are they still feasible to get back to at some point in the future? Or have there been more permanent shifts in the business that take away that type of expansion?
Speaker Change: Todd, when we came in, I remember we met at the JPMorgan Conference in January this year, and at that point, you know, the elevated...
Speaker Change: Margin expansion targets for 2024 and 2025 were still on the table. You've clearly had supply issues this year. Are those margin targets...
Speaker Change: gone at this point? Are they still feasible to get back to at some point in the future? Or have there been more permanent shifts in the business that take away that type of expansion?
Todd W. Garner: Great question, Robbie. Yeah, we're definitely on the same track as far as improvements are concerned, but this is a speed bump that's going to delay us getting there. So back in the fall of 22, we put a three-year kind of long-range plan out there that would get us around 60%, we said, at the end of 25. So now, what I just said was we're going to be around 57% at the end of 24. So in order to get to 60, I'd have to improve by 300 basis points in that 12 month period. While that's not impossible, I don't think that's likely, right?
Speaker Change: Great question Robbie. Yeah we're definitely on the same track right as far as improvements but this is a speed bump that's going to delay us getting there. So back in the fall of 22
Speaker Change: We put a three-year kind of long-range plan out there that would get us around 60%, we said, at the end of 25.
Speaker Change: So, now, what I just said was we're going to be around 57% at the end of 24.
Speaker Change: So in order to get to 60, I'd have to improve 300 basis points.
Speaker Change: in that 12 month period. While that's not impossible, I don't think that's likely, right? So I think we're likely gonna be short of what we said in the fall of 22 for the end of 25.
Operator: So I think we're likely gonna be short of what we said in the fall of 22 for the end of 25, but we still are enjoying about 100 basis points of tailwind from mix. And so we still see that mixed tailwind, and so it's just a matter of when we get there. And it's going to take a little longer than we thought a couple of years ago, but the margin improvement story is still one of the best in med tech. And it does continue.
Speaker Change: But we still are enjoying about 100 basis points of tailwind from mix.
Speaker Change: and so we still see that mixed tailwind and so it's just a matter of when we get there and it's going to be take a little longer than we thought a couple years ago but the the margin improvement story I still think is one of the best in medtech and it does continue here.
Operator: Got it. Okay.
Speaker Change: Got it. Okay. Then maybe just to follow up on Rick's question, you know, last year was the warehouse software.
Curt R. Hartman: Um, then maybe just to follow up on Rick's question, you know, last year was the warehouse software issue, and this year has been supply issues. Before that, I believe a couple years ago, it was a Salesforce expansion. You know, at what point do you need to maybe broaden the controls at the company and review and overhaul some of the quality issues and processes in place here? For a company your size, I'm surprised there are so many disruptive issues that happen. Just wondering if you'd think about that and how we should think about any, maybe, layered expenses moving forward to implement better quality controls. Thanks.
Speaker Change: This year has been supply issues. Before that, I believe, a couple years ago, it was a Salesforce expansion.
Speaker Change: You know at what point do you need to maybe broaden the controls at the company and and review and overhaul some of the
Speaker Change: You know, the quality issues and processes in place here. For a company your size, I'm surprised there are so many disruptive issues that happen. Just wondering if you think about that.
Speaker Change: and how we should think about any maybe layered expenses moving forward to implement better quality controls. Thanks.
Curt R. Hartman: That's it's a good question, Robbie. And I think if you as you walk through those topics in 21, we did a Salesforce expansion because the markets were recovering from COVID. And as it turned out, there were two other iterations of COVID that kicked in after that Salesforce expansion. So it made it look as though our Salesforce expansion was mistimed. And I think nobody at that point in time could predict the variance of COVID and when it was going to or not hit.
Robert Justin Marcus: It's a good question, Robbie, and I think as you walk through those topics, in 21 we did a Salesforce expansion.
Speaker Change: because the markets were recovering from COVID. And as it turned out, there were two other iterations of COVID that kicked in after that Salesforce expansion. So it made it look as though our Salesforce expansion was mistimed. And I think nobody at that point in time could predict.
Curt R. Hartman: Warehouse issue was fourth quarter 2022. That was an absolute execution issue on our part. I'm proud of the team, the way we remediated it. But nonetheless, it was a disruption, disruption to customers, and disruption to our financial performance. And we have been dealing since the third quarter of last year with supply chain challenges from our supply base and from internal issues. You know, as companies scale, you do put more systems, more expenses, more infrastructure in place, people, both people and systems around that, and controls.
Speaker Change: The variants of COVID and when they were going to or not hit. Warehouse issue was fourth quarter 2022. That was an absolute execution issue on our part.
Speaker Change: We have been dealing since...
Speaker Change: You know, as companies scale, you do put more systems, more expense, more...
Speaker Change: infrastructure in place, people, both people and systems around that, and controls.
Curt R. Hartman: I think we've been doing that appropriately. As we look at areas that we believe need investment, I think we've been diligent in doing that. Certainly, we're as frustrated by these hiccups, by these missteps as anybody is. Our teams are frustrated, and we are frustrated, as I said in my script, with customers and investors. That's very, very challenging to deal with, and we are all committed to solving and remediating and getting these things behind us.
Speaker Change: I think we've been doing that appropriately as we look at areas that we believe need investment. I think we've been diligent with doing that.
Speaker Change: Certainly, we're as frustrated by these hiccups, by these missteps, as anybody is. Our teams are frustrated, and we frustrated, as I said in my script, customers and investors.
Speaker Change: That's very, very challenging to deal with, and we are all committed to solving or remediating and getting these things behind us. Is there something systemic we need to do? We challenge ourselves every day with those questions, and I think we're doing the right things.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from a line of Vik Chopra with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question comes from a line of Vik Chopra with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Operator: Hello, this is Dino Weinstock speaking on behalf of Vik Chopra. One question, I guess, on the supply chain challenges. What kind of confidence do you have that this won't bleed into 2025? And do you have any expected timeline when you expect to fully recover? Thank you.
Dino Weinstock: Hello, this is Dino Weinstock on for Vik Chopra. One question, I guess, further on the supply chain challenges. What kind of confidence do you have that this won't bleed into 2025? And do you have any expected timeline when you expect to fully recover?
Curt R. Hartman: Yeah, good, good question. We, you know, we
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: yeah good good question we you know we
Speaker Change: Probably a little bit hesitant. We had thought at this point in the year we would have most of this behind us.
Speaker Change: We've had some surprises that have popped up that were not on our radar screen.
Speaker Change: We have a very detailed plan as we look at the third quarter, as I noted earlier.
Speaker Change: We feel like we're on the other side of things as it relates to our foot and ankle business back in solid supply there.
Speaker Change: It is really the implant categories in the shoulder and the knee where we're...
Speaker Change: kind of hand-to-mouth and struggling, we...
Speaker Change: We just cleared a key category.
Speaker Change: with our arthroscopic enabling devices, getting back into full stock, getting our sales teams back on full offense there.
Speaker Change: The implant categories are the two remaining challenges and we think as we...
Speaker Change: You know, as Todd talked about in his commentary, we thought that...
Todd: The guide for the second half would be a little slower in the Q3.
Todd: Closer to the higher end in Q4, so that implies that we think we'll be working through a lot of it in Q3 and be in better shape as we get into Q4, but we're trying to give ourself a little extra time given what we've gone through here in the first six months.
Operator: Got it. Thank you for the answer. Another question, I guess on the F&A side, what trends are you seeing in the lower extremities market during Q2? And are you expecting second half growth to get back on track?
Speaker Change: Got it, thank you for the answer. Another question I guess on the F&A side, what trends are you seeing in the lower extremities market during Q2 and are you expecting second half growth to get back on track?
Curt R. Hartman: Is the trend question relative to Conmed or the market in general?
Speaker Change: The trend question is relative to Conmed or the market in general?
Speaker Change: The market.
Speaker Change: I think we still believe the foot and ankle market is a great market, a growth market, and a market we want to be in, and a market that we have a great asset to participate. Obviously we've struggled because of our supply chain challenges.
Speaker Change: And we think now that we have the majority of that behind us, that we should be getting back on offense here. Further, we've added, I think we noted on the last call, that we
Speaker Change: have moved some of the sports medicine related foot and ankle products into the foot and ankle business to further support.
Speaker Change: that offering, as well as have done an initial rollout and launch of BioBrace, which BioBrace brings along more implantations of lower extremity foot and ankle products that our portfolio has.
Speaker Change: We think we've got the right portfolio, and it's just getting them back on offense with product availability, which I think that is the one part of orthopedics that we do believe we exited the mid-year point where we thought we would.
Speaker Change: Thank you and our next question comes from Travis Steed from B of A. Your line is open.
Travis Lee Steed: Hey, I kind of wanted to follow up on Robbie's margin question, but ask it on the revenue side. I think you always kind of talked about achieving kind of double-digit growth. This year is kind of 5 to 6 percent. Is this 5 to 6 and, you know, maybe a little bit better 6 to 7, kind of the right place to be longer term?
Speaker Change: No, we still think we're capable of much better than that, Travis. We still, you know, that same 30% plus of our portfolio that should be very healthy double digits, we think under normal circumstances should be there. So...
Curt R. Hartman: You know, if that 30% was able to deliver, you know, close to 6% growth just on its own, and so if the rest of the 70% was, you know, mid single digits.
Speaker Change: You know, if that 30%, that ought to be able to deliver, you know, close to 6% growth just on its own. And so, if the rest of the 70%...
Speaker Change: was, you know, mid single digits, then you're in those high single digits just with kind of that being normal. So we don't think this is normal, and our expectations are certainly to be a faster grower than this.
Speaker Change: But, um...
Speaker Change: You know, but, you know, 5-6% growth, while disappointing to us, I think is still probably above average in MedTech, and certainly our EPS growth is above average for MedTech. So even at these disappointing levels.
Speaker Change: It is a healthy, growing, profitable business, but not growing as fast and not as profitable as we expected at the beginning of the year, granted.
Speaker Change: Great, thank you. And I had another question and just like you think about
Speaker Change: The rest of the markets, I know you had your supply issues.
Speaker Change: But I don't know if you think about the market, that there's been any kind of change in the market, just because you're not the only company that's.
Speaker Change: kind of resetting kind of the second half here and having more kind of inline prints and and so I don't know if there was just like some sort of moderation and you know ortho markets or kind of anything you've seen on the on the margin.
Travis Lee Steed: Travis, I don't think there's anything we would point to. I think we we believe commercially...
Curt R. Hartman: a big round of international meetings. The only thing we would point to in the markets is the strikes in Korea are continuing for longer than anybody had anticipated, and events in China have.
Travis Lee Steed: our teams, and we just did a...
Speaker Change: A big round of international meetings. The only thing we would point to in the markets are the strikes in Korea are continuing longer than anybody had anticipated, and events in China have slowed the overall China market.
Speaker Change: Those are smaller markets for Conmed. They're growth markets for Conmed, but they're smaller. But the majority of our big markets, Canada, the US, Western Europe , we see pretty healthy underlying markets. Pat, I don't know if you want to add anything to that.
Pat: Spent a lot of time. Curt, would disagree with what you're saying and would, again, call out a Japan market also continuing to grow well from the market standpoint.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mike Matson. We need him. Your line is open.
Curt R. Hartman: I just want to ask a couple of questions on general surgery. So, you know, the growth was obviously good, much better than orthopedics, but it's probably a little slower than I would have expected, just given that, you know, that's where a couple of your bigger growth drivers are. So, what are your thoughts on that business? Is there anything going on there? I understand the supply chain is more on the ortho side.
Michael Stephen Matson: Yeah, thanks for taking my questions.
Michael Stephen Matson: I just want to ask a couple on general surgery. So the growth was obviously good, much better than orthopedics, but it's probably a little slower than I would have expected, just given that that's where a couple of your bigger growth drivers are. So.
Speaker Change: What are your thoughts on that business? Is there anything going on there? I understand the supply chain is more on the ortho side.
Curt R. Hartman: Yeah, I mean, I think that business is pretty close to historical rates there, Mike. Air seal is definitely good, but smoke is a little soft.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I mean, I think that business is pretty close to historical rates there, Mike.
Curt R. Hartman: We had a transitory quality issue that we dealt with and has been remediated. It did affect us a little bit in Q2, so smoke was soft, but we think that's temporary.
Speaker Change: Air seal is definitely good. Smoke is a little soft. We had a transitory quality issue that we dealt with and has been remediated. It did affect us a little bit in Q2, so smoke was soft, but we think that's temporary.
Curt R. Hartman: Okay, and then just looking into the second half, I would assume that the kind of growth, you know, you expect similar growth overall for the company. So the two businesses, general surgery and orthopedics, I would assume would be kind of similar to what we saw in the first half as well.
Speaker Change: Other than that, I think things were pretty normal on general surgery.
Speaker Change: Okay, and then just looking into the second half, I would assume that the...
Speaker Change: You expect similar growth overall for the company, so the two businesses, general surgery and orthopedics, I would assume would be kind of similar to what we saw in the first half.
Curt R. Hartman: Yeah, our guidance kind of assumes that orthopedics stays challenged a little bit for longer than we thought originally, of course. But the general surgery business, we think, will continue to do what it's been doing.
Speaker Change: Yeah, our guidance kind of assumes that orthopedics stays challenged a little bit for longer than we thought originally, of course. But the general surgery business, we think, will continue to do what it's been doing.
Operator: Our final question comes from the line of Kristen Stewart with CL King. Your line is open.
Operator: Our final question comes from the line of Kristen Stewart with C.L. King. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Okay, got it. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Our final question comes from the line of Kristen Stewart with CL King. Your line is open.
Kristen Marie Stewart: Hi, thanks for taking the question. I was just wondering if there's any risk that we could see some of these supply constraints and supply issues bubbling over into the general surgery business or do you still have confidence in that to the balance of the year being unaffected?
Speaker Change: Right now, Kristen, we feel very good about the general surgery side of the business, the product availability.
Curt R. Hartman: manufacturing controls, obviously, with a product line like that, have a lot of redundancy for products like that. Some of the orthopedic categories have multiple generations of products, and we don't control all of those. That is part of our cleanup, to really focus our energy efforts on the key product lines and start transitioning more customers.
Kristen Marie Stewart: manufacturing controls, obviously with a product line like
Kristen Marie Stewart: AirSeal product line like Smoke, we very early brought those under our complete manufacturing control and have a lot of redundancy for products like that. Some of the orthopedic categories have...
Kristen Marie Stewart: multiple generations of products and we don't control all of those that that is part of our cleanup is to
Kristen Marie Stewart: really focus our energy efforts on the key product lines.
Kristen Marie Stewart: and start transitioning more customers. So we are not anticipating that. And trust us, we are watching those categories very closely.
Speaker Change: Okay, thanks very much.
Speaker Change: Thank you, and I would now like to turn the conference back to Curt Hartman for closing remarks.
Curt R. Hartman: Thank you, Amy. And just wrap up here today and say thank you, everybody, for your time, and we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call.
Speaker Change: And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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