Q2 2024 Hydro One Ltd Earnings Call

Operator: Robert Hope, Mark Jarvi, Christopher Lopez, David Lebeter, David Lebeter Robert Hope, Mark Jarvi, David Lebeter, David Lebeter [inaudible] Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Hydro One Limited's second quarter 2024 Analysts' Teleconference. At this time, all participants are in a listening mode. After this speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised.

Speaker Change: Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Hydro One Limited's second quarter 2024 analyst teleconference.

Speaker Change: At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised.

Omar Javed: To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Omar Javed, Vice President and Vessel Relations at Hydro One. Please go ahead.

Operator: To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I'd now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Omar Javed, Vice President and Vessel Relations at Hydro One. Please go ahead.

Omar Javed: Good morning, and thank you for joining us on Hydro One's quarterly earnings call. Joining us today are our president and CEO, David Lebeter, and our chief financial and regulatory officer, Harry Taylor. On the call today, we will provide an overview of our quarterly results, and then we will take some time answering questions as time permits. Today's discussions will likely touch on estimates and other forward-looking information. You should review the cautionary language in today's earnings release and our MD&A, which we filed this morning regarding the various factors, assumptions, and risks that could cause our actual results to differ as they all apply to this call. With that, I'll turn the call over to our President and CEO, David Lebeter. Thank you, Omar.

Speaker Change: Good morning and thank you for joining us in Hydro One's quarterly earnings call. Joining us today are our President and CEO David Lebeter and our Chief Financial and Regulatory Officer Harry Taylor.

Speaker Change: On the call today, we will provide an overview of our quarterly results, and then we will take some time answering questions as time permits.

Speaker Change: Today's discussions will likely touch on estimates and other forward-looking information.

Speaker Change: You should review the cautionary language in today's earnings release and our MD&A, which we filed this morning regarding the various factors, assumptions and risks that could cause our actual results to differ as they all apply to this call. With that, I'll turn the call over to our President and CEO, David Lebeter.

David Lebeter: Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2024 earnings call. I am pleased to welcome and be joined by our new Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Regulatory Officer, Harry Taylor. Harry joined Hydro One in early June, following an extensive external and internal search.

David Lebeter: Thank you, Omar. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2024 earnings call. I am pleased to welcome and be joined by our new Executive Vice President and Chief Financial and Regulatory Officer, Harry Taylor.

David Lebeter: Harry is a highly regarded strategic executive with demonstrated achievements across multiple customer-focused industries. Guided by our refreshed strategy, Harry's expertise in providing stability and delivering financial results during times of growth and expansion will help us meet the needs of customers, partners, stakeholders, investors, and all Ontarians. At Hydro One, safety always comes first, and a focus on safety is firmly ingrained within our culture.

Speaker Change: Harry joined Hydro One in early June following an extensive external and internal search. Harry is a highly regarded strategic executive with demonstrated achievements across multiple customer focused industries.

Speaker Change: Guided by our refresh strategy, Harry's expertise in providing stability and delivering financial results during times of growth and expansion will help us meet the needs of customers, partners, stakeholders, investors, and all Ontarians.

Speaker Change: At Hydro One, safety always comes first, and a focus on safety is firmly ingrained within our culture.

David Lebeter: This focus was evident in our 2023 results, where we improved our annual recordable injury rate, achieving a rate of 0.56 for 200,000 hours worked, which remains well below the industry benchmark of 1.0. We are very proud of this achievement, but also understand that we must remain vigilant and focused on our goal of achieving a workplace free of life-altering injuries and fatalities. Nothing is more important than ensuring our colleagues' recurrent home safety.

Speaker Change: This focus was evident in our 2023 results, where we improved our annual recordable injury, achieving a rate of 0.56 for 200,000 hours worked, which remains well below the industry benchmark of 1.0.

Speaker Change: We are very proud of this achievement, but also understand that we must remain vigilant and focused on our goal of achieving a workplace free of life-altering injuries and fatalities. Nothing is more important than ensuring our colleagues return home safely.

David Lebeter: Moving on to our update, we continue to deliver on our strategy of making investments in our transmission and distribution systems to modernize, strengthen, and expand the grid in support of economic development and increased electrification across the province. On May 28th, we filed a Leave to Construct application, also known as a Section 92, with the Ontario Energy Board for the construction of our St. Clair transmission line. This line will be a new double-circuit 230 kilovolt transmission line between the Lampton transmission station in St. Clair Township and the Chatham switching station in the municipality of Chatham-Kent in southwest Ontario.

Speaker Change: Moving on to our update, we continue to deliver on our strategy of making investments in our transmission and distribution systems to modernize, strengthen, and expand the grid in support of economic development and increased electrification across the province.

Speaker Change: On May 28th, we filed a Leave to Construct application, also known as Section 92, with the Ontario Energy Board for the construction of our St. Clair transmission line.

Speaker Change: This line will be a new double-circuit 230 kilovolt transmission line between the Lampton Transmission Station in St. Clair Township and the Chatham Switching Station in the municipality of Chatham-Kent, Southwest Ontario.

David Lebeter: Subject to the Ontario Energy Board's final ruling, we expect the line to be completed in 2028 at a cost of $472 million. Once built, the project will provide an additional 450 megawatts of power to the region, supporting economic and community growth for years to come. The St. Clair Transmission Line is part of a network of electricity infrastructure projects that will support economic growth and improve the reliability and resiliency of the electricity grid in southwestern Ontario. As we develop and build these projects, we remain mindful of our commitment to our relationship with Indigenous communities. We understand that their ongoing participation and collaboration throughout the life of a project are important.

Speaker Change: Subject to Ontario Energy Board's final ruling, we expect the line to be completed in 2028 at a cost of $472 million. Once built, the project will provide an additional 450 megawatts of power to the region, supporting economic and community growth for years to come.

Speaker Change: The St. Clair transmission line is part of a network of electricity infrastructure projects that will support economic growth and improve the reliability and resiliency of the electricity grid in southwestern Ontario.

Speaker Change: As we develop and build these projects, we remain mindful of our commitment to our relationship with Indigenous communities.

Speaker Change: We understand that their ongoing participation and collaboration throughout the life of our project is important. We are proud that the transmission line component of the St. Clair project will be co-owned with five proximate First Nations, advancing the project in true partnership.

David Lebeter: We are proud that the transmission line component of the St. Clair project will be co-owned with five proximate First Nations, advancing the project in true partnership. I'm also pleased to report that our Chatham to Lakeshore transmission line, which commenced construction activities in the spring of 2023, remains on track to be in service by the end of 2024. As previously disclosed, this timeline reflects the completion of the line one year ahead of schedule. In addition to the accelerated timeline, we expect to realize an additional $16 million in cost savings from the optimization of our construction activities. The total project cost is now expected to be $237 million.

Speaker Change: I'm also pleased to report that our Chatham-to-Lakeshore transmission line, which commenced construction activities in the spring of 2023, remains on track to be in service by the end of 2024. As previously disclosed, this timeline reflects the completion of the line one year ahead of schedule.

David Lebeter: Now from the original estimate of $268 million, savings of $31 million. Project execution is a critical aspect of why Hydro One continues to be the transmitter of choice for the development, construction, and operation of priority projects in Ontario. Hydro One continues to play a critical role in supporting long-term, sustainable economic growth in Ontario. Through our investments in transmission and distribution systems, we are enabling the electrification of Ontario, delivering power to drive growth and prosperity across the province.

Speaker Change: In addition to accelerated timeline, we expect to realize an additional $16 million in cost savings from optimization of our construction activities.

Speaker Change: The total project cost is now expected to be $237 million, down from the original estimate of $268 million, a savings of $31 million.

Speaker Change: Superior project execution is a critical aspect of why Hydro One continues to be the transmitter of choice for the development, construction, and operation of priority projects in Ontario.

Speaker Change: Hydro One continues to play a critical role in supporting long-term, sustainable economic growth in Ontario. Through our investments in transmission and distribution systems, we are enabling the electrification of Ontario, delivering power to drive growth and prosperity across the province.

David Lebeter: Moving on to LVC consolidation, following the OAB approval for the acquisition of Shaplow Hydro in early May, our teams worked diligently to ensure that all the necessary procedures and filings required to achieve the closing of the transaction were completed. I'm happy to report that we have successfully closed the transaction and will now start integration, and officially join the Township of Shaplow as their local electricity provider.

Speaker Change: Moving on to LVC consolidation, following the OAB approval for the acquisition of Shaplow Hydro in early May, our teams worked diligently to ensure that all the necessary procedures and filings required to achieve closing the transaction were completed.

David Lebeter: We look forward to energizing the lives of our new customers, employees, and the community. Our commitment to invest in this community is already underway. In May, we announced the Chapel of Crete First Nations, one of 35 recipients that received $25,000 in funding from Hydro One's Energizing Life Community Fund. Hydro One's commitment to energizing life with reliable, sustainable solutions ensures a brighter future for all. For us, sustainability means that we are conducting our business in a way that benefits the environment, the community, and society.

Speaker Change: I'm happy to report that we have successfully closed the transaction and will now start integration and officially join the Township of Shaflo as their local electricity provider. We look forward to energizing the lives of our new customers, employees, and the community.

Speaker Change: Our commitment to invest in this community is already underway. In May, we announced the Chappelle Creek First Nations, one of 35 recipients that received $25,000 in funding from Hydro One's Energizing Life Community Fund.

David Lebeter: Our sustainable business strategy is focused on a wide array of environmental, economic, and social factors so that our business decisions and activities leave a lasting, positive impact. This includes developing resilient infrastructure and intelligent operations, optimizing our supply chain to ensure we can meet our customer needs, working to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and actively investing in the communities where we live and work. Furthermore, we are committed to building and strengthening Indigenous community partnerships and fostering our diversity initiatives.

Speaker Change: Hydro One's commitment to energizing life in Ontario with reliable, sustainable solutions ensures a brighter future for all.

Speaker Change: For us, sustainability means that we are conducting our business in a way that benefits the environment, community, and society. Our sustainable business strategy is focused on a wide array of environmental, economic, and social factors, so that our business decisions and activities leave a lasting, positive impact.

Speaker Change: This includes developing resilient infrastructure and intelligent operations, optimizing our supply chain to ensure we can meet our customers' needs, working to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and actively investing in the communities where we live and work.

Speaker Change: Furthermore, we are committed to building and strengthening Indigenous community partnerships and fostering our diversity initiatives.

David Lebeter: We understand that for our long-term performance and viability, we need to embed sustainability in all aspects of our business. Earlier today, we released our 2023 sustainability report. The report provides a balanced account of our performance across a range of sustainability measures and highlights our progress towards enabling the energy transition in Ontario, leading to a better and brighter future for all. The 2023 report highlights accomplishments relating to key initiatives, including reducing our scope of greenhouse gas emissions by approximately 24% compared to our 2018 base.

Speaker Change: We understand that for our long-term performance and viability, we need to embed sustainability in all aspects of our business.

Speaker Change: Earlier today, we released our 2023 sustainability report. The report provides a balanced account of our performance across a range of sustainability measures and highlights our progress towards enabling the energy transition in Ontario, leading to a better and brighter future for all.

Speaker Change: The 2023 board highlights accomplishments related to the key initiatives including

Speaker Change: Reducing our scope on greenhouse gas.

Speaker Change: or GHG emissions by approximately 24% compared to our 2018 baseline.

David Lebeter: Invested in approximately $2.5 billion of capital to expand the renewed Ontario grid, connecting the 10th remote community to the grid, providing them with a reliable and clean source of energy, and converting 34% of our sedans and SUVs to electric vehicles and hybrids. Issuing approximately $2.4 billion in sustainable and green bonds under our sustainable financing framework, spending 5.7% of our total sourcingable spend on materials and supplies from indigenous businesses, and promoting a culture of diversity and inclusion between no representation of 45% of the board level at 36% of the BP level and above.

Speaker Change: Investing approximately $2.5 billion of capital to expand and renew Ontario's grid.

Speaker Change: Connecting the 10th remote community to the grid, providing them with a reliable and clean source of energy.

Speaker Change: converting 34% of our sedan and SUVs to electric vehicles and hybrids.

Speaker Change: issue an approximately 2.4 billion dollars in sustainable and green bonds under a sustainable financing framework.

Speaker Change: Spending 5.7% of our total sourceable spend on materials and supplies from Indigenous businesses, promoting a culture of diversity and inclusion with female representation of 45% at the board level and 36% at the DP level and above.

David Lebeter: These achievements are a testament to our strong sustainability foundations and our employees, who are filled with purpose and are empowered to act to contribute to a better world for all. This purpose is reflected in our actions, and I am pleased that our actions are being recognized. We are proud to once again be included in Corporate Night's annual list of the 50 Best Corporate Citizens in Canada. This award recognizes those entities that are committed to doing business differently and are committed to sustainability and environmental stewardship. With that, I will turn the call over to Harry to discuss our financial results. Mary, it's over to you.

Speaker Change: These achievements are a testament to our strong sustainability foundations and our employees who are filled with purpose and are empowered to act to contribute to a better world for all.

Speaker Change: This purpose is reflected in our actions and I am pleased that our actions are being recognized. We are proud to once again be included in the Corporate Night's annual list of 50 best corporate citizens in Canada. This award recognizes those entities that are committed to doing business differently and are committed to sustainability and environmental stewardship.

Speaker Change: With that, I will turn the call over to Harry to discuss the financial results. Harry, over to you.

Harry Taylor: Thank you, David. I'm excited to be here and look forward to working with everyone at Hydro One to take advantage of the significant growth opportunities we have and meet the needs of all of our stakeholders. Turning to our second quarter financial results, we delivered basic earnings per share of 49 cents compared to 44 cents in the second quarter of 2023. The key drivers behind the year-over-year change included higher revenues, net of purchased power, partially offset by higher income tax expense when adjusted for net income neutral items, higher depreciation, amortization, and asset removal costs, and higher financing charges.

Harry: Thank you, David. I'm excited to be here and look forward to working with everyone at Hydro One to take advantage of the significant growth opportunities we have and meet the needs of all of our stakeholders.

Harry: Turning to our second quarter financial results, we delivered basic earnings per share of $0.49 compared to $0.44 in the second quarter of 2023.

Harry: The key drivers behind the year-over-year change included higher revenues, net-of-purchase power.

Harry: partially offset by higher income tax expense when adjusted for net income neutral items, higher depreciation, amortization, and asset removal costs, and higher financing charges.

Harry Taylor: As a reminder, both the transmission and distribution segments had met income neutral items in revenue. These include the deferred tax asset recovery that expired at the end of June 2023, as well as normal course regulatory adjustments such as OEB-approved recovery of historical cost deferral. There are corresponding offsets for these items in the tax expense and in OM&A, thus making them net income neutral. Our second quarter revenue, net of purchase power, increased year over year by 3%.

Harry: As a reminder, both the transmission and distribution segments had net income neutral items in revenue.

Harry: These include the deferred tax asset recovery that expired at the end of June 2023, as well as normal course regulatory adjustments such as OEB approved recovery of historical cost deferrals.

Harry: There are corresponding offsets for these items in the tax expense and in OM&A, thus making them net income neutral.

Harry: Our second quarter revenue, net of purchase power, increased year over year by 3%.

Harry Taylor: The increase is mainly due to higher revenues resulting from changes in OEB-approved rates for both segments, coupled with a 4.1% increase in the average monthly peak demand for the transmission segment and a 2.3% higher energy consumption in the distribution segment, supported by a higher number of customers. However, these were partially offset by the revenue impact of the net income neutral items mentioned earlier. On the cost front, operating, maintenance, and administration expenses decreased by approximately 5.1% year over year.

Harry: The increase is mainly due to higher revenues, resulting from changes in OEB approved rates.

Harry: for both segments.

Harry: coupled with a 4.1% increase in the average monthly peak demand for the transmission segment and a 2.3% higher energy consumption in the distribution segment supported by a higher number of customers.

Harry: These were partially offset by the revenue impact of the net income neutral items mentioned earlier.

Harry: On the cost front, operating maintenance and administration expenses in the quarter decreased by approximately 5.1% year-over-year.

Harry Taylor: In the transmission segment, we received one-time insurance proceeds for a transformer replacement at the gauge transmission station and incurred lower corporate support costs, which were partially offset by higher work program expenditures for stations and line main. The variance in the distribution segment was due to lower work program expenditures, including costs associated with emergency power restoration, information technology initiatives, and vegetation management. In addition, we also had net income-neutral items in both segments that were offset in revenue. Depreciation expense for the second quarter was higher year over year by 6.5%.

Harry: In the transmission segment, we received one-time insurance proceeds for a transformer replacement at the gauge transmission station and incurred lower corporate support costs.

Harry: which were partially offset by higher work program expenditures for stations and line maintenance.

Harry: The variance in the distribution segment was due to lower work program expenditures, including costs associated with emergency power restoration, information technology initiatives, and vegetation management.

Harry: In addition, we also had the net income neutral items in both segments that were offset in revenue.

Harry: Depreciation expense for the second quarter was higher year-over-year by 6.5%.

Harry Taylor: This was due to the growth in fixed assets and higher asset removal costs, partially offset by lower amortization of regulatory assets. Regarding financing, we saw a 9% increase in financing charges year over year, mainly due to a higher weighted average interest rate on our long-term debt and more long-term debt resulting from issuances in the second half of 2023 and the first quarter of 2024. These charges were partially offset by higher capitalized interest due to a higher average balance of assets under construction and volume variance in short-term notes and short-term investments.

Harry: This was due to the growth in fixed assets and higher asset removal costs partially offset by lower amortization of regulatory assets.

Harry: regarding financing, we saw a 9% increase in financing charges year over year, mainly due to a higher weighted average interest rate on our long-term debt.

Harry: and more long-term debt resulting from issuances in the second half of 2023 and the first quarter of 2024.

Harry: These charges were partially offset by higher capitalized interest due to a higher average balance of assets under construction and volume variance in short-term notes and short-term investments.

Harry Taylor: One of our differentiating factors is the strength and stability of our balance sheet, along with our creditworthiness. This was underlined by S&P when they upgraded our long-term debt rating to A from A minus on June 1st. To further support our liquidity and to provide additional financial flexibility, on June 1st of this year, our operating credit facilities were increased by $750 million to $3.3 billion. In addition, the maturity date of the facilities was extended from 2028 to 2029.

Harry: One of our differentiating factors is the strength and stability of our balance sheet, along with our creditworthiness.

Harry: This was underlined by S&P when they upgraded our long-term debt rating to A from A- on June the 10th.

Harry: To further support our liquidity.

Harry: and to provide additional financial flexibility

Harry: On June 1st of this year, our operating credit facilities were increased.

Harry: by $750 million to $3.3 billion.

Harry: In addition, the maturity date of the facilities was extended from 2028 to 2029. We very much appreciate the strong support we continue to receive from all our banking partners.

Harry Taylor: We very much appreciate the strong support we continue to receive from all our banking partners. These facilities are primarily used as a backstop to our commercial paper program. However, no amounts were drawn on the facilities as of June 30, 2024.

Harry: These facilities are primarily used as a backstop to our commercial paper program.

Noel Maldes: No amounts were drawn on the facilities as of June 30, 2024.

Harry Taylor: Finally, we updated our sustainable financing framework during the quarter to better align with best practices. The updated framework reflects the latest green bond principles and now includes expenditures for direct connections to new nuclear generation. This change aligns with the sustainable and green bond frameworks of the government of Canada, the government of Ontario, and various peers. The full updated document is available on our website. Turning to taxes, our income tax expense in the quarter was $57 million, compared to $65 million in the same quarter last year. However, when adjusted for net income-neutral items, the adjusted income tax expense was higher.

Noel Maldes: Finally, we updated our sustainable financing framework during the quarter to better align with best practices.

Noel Maldes: The updated framework reflects the latest green bond principles and now include expenditures for direct connections to new nuclear generation.

Noel Maldes: This change aligns with the sustainable and green bond frameworks of the Government of Canada, the Government of Ontario, and various peers. The full updated document is available on our website.

Speaker Change: Turning to taxes, our income tax expense in the quarter was $57 million compared to $65 million in the same quarter last year.

Speaker Change: However, when adjusted for net income neutral items, the adjusted income tax expense was higher. Contributing to the increase were lower deductible timing differences compared to last year and higher adjusted pre-tax earnings.

Speaker Change: The effective tax rate this quarter was 16.2% versus an effective tax rate last year of 19.6%.

Speaker Change: The effective tax rate for six months was 15.5% compared to 19% for the first six months of last year.

Harry Taylor: This rate is consistent with our effective tax rate expectations of 13 to 16% for the remainder of the J-Wrap period. Moving on, to our investing activities. In the second quarter, we placed $526 million of assets in service for our customers, which was an increase of 27.4% compared to last year. In the transmission segment, we saw an increase of 36.2% year over year, primarily attributable to the timing of assets placed in service for station refurbishments and replacements and a higher volume of line refurbishments, partially offset by assets placed in service for the development work at the Lenox transmission station in the second quarter

Speaker Change: This rate is consistent with our effective tax rate expectations of 13% to 16% for the remainder of the JRAP period.

Speaker Change: Moving to our investing activities, in the second quarter, we placed $526 million of assets in service for our customers, which was an increase of 27.4% compared to last year.

Speaker Change: In the transmission segment, we saw an increase of 36.2% year-over-year, primarily attributable to the timing of assets placed in service for station refurbishments and replacements.

Speaker Change: and higher volume of line refurbishments, partially offset by assets placed in service for the development work at the Lenox Transmission Station in the second quarter of last year.

Speaker Change: In the distribution segment, in-service additions increased by 20.7% from the prior year due to a higher spend on wood pole replacements.

Speaker Change: higher volume of storm-related asset replacements, and timing of IT investments.

Harry Taylor: In the distribution segment, in-service additions increased by 20.7% from the prior year due to a higher spend on wood pole replacements, a higher volume of storm-related asset replacements, and timing of IT investment. In terms of our capital expenditures, for the second quarter, we invested $818 million, which was an increase of 26% over 2023. The increase occurred in both the transmission and distribution segments as a result of increases in refurbishments and replacements, increased customer connections, as well as investments in new transmission and distribution infrastructure. However, these were partially offset by a lower spend on system capability reinforcement projects.

Speaker Change: In terms of our capital expenditures, for the second quarter, we invested $818 million, which was an increase of 26% over 2023.

Speaker Change: The increase occurred in both the transmission and distribution segments, as a result of increases in refurbishments and replacements, increased customer connections, as well as investments in new transmission and distribution infrastructure.

Speaker Change: These were partially offset by a lower spend on system capability reinforcement projects.

Harry Taylor: Moving on to broadband, we continue to work with internet service providers to advance the pace of orders to ensure delivery of high-speed internet to some 700,000 rural Ontario residents. However, while orders continue to come in, the pace has not accelerated significantly. And as a result, we continue to expect that these orders will generate between 300 and 700 million dollars of work being completed. This work will take place in our distribution segment and will be additive to our rate base.

Speaker Change: Moving on to broadband, we continue to work with the Internet Service Providers to advance the pace of orders to ensure delivery of high-speed Internet to some 700,000 rural Ontarians.

Speaker Change: While orders continue to come in, the pace has not accelerated significantly. And as a result, we continue to expect that these orders will generate between $300 and $700 million of work being completed.

Speaker Change: This work will take place in our distribution segment and will be additive to our rate base.

Harry Taylor: Looking ahead, we continue to expect 5 to 7% growth in earnings per share through 2027, using the normalized 2022 earnings per share of $1.61 as a base. This EPS guidance range does not factor in growth from broadband, LDC consolidation, nor any of the transmission lines that have been awarded to us but not completed, nor any amounts from externally driven variance accounts.

Speaker Change: Looking ahead, we continue to expect 5-7% growth for earnings per share through 2027, using the normalized 2022 earnings per share of $1.61 as a base.

Speaker Change: This EPS guidance range does not factor in growth from broadband, LDC consolidation, nor any of the transmission lines that have been awarded to us but not completed, nor any amounts from externally driven variance accounts.

Harry Taylor: Finally, I am pleased to report that our Board of Directors declared a dividend of 31.42 cents per share payable to common shareholders of record on September 11, 2024. With that, I will turn the call over to open the phone lines for questions. Thank you, David and Harry. We asked the operator to explain how they'd like to organize the Q&A polling process. It takes me time to address your questions today, but my team and I are always available to respond to follow-up questions.

Speaker Change: Finally, I am pleased to report that our Board of Directors declared a dividend of $0.3142 per share payable to common shareholders of record on September 11, 2024.

Speaker Change: With that, I will turn the call over to open the phone lines for questions.

Speaker Change: Thank you, David and Harry. We asked the operator to explain how they'd like to organize the Q&A polling process. In case we can't address your questions today, my team and I are always available to respond to follow up questions.

Omar Javed: We ask that you limit your questions to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, we request you to rejoin. [inaudible] Please go ahead. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press Star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press Star One One again. Our first question comes from the line of Maurice Choy with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Thanks, Anne. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to touch on the cost environment. Mission Lines.

Speaker Change: We ask that you limit your questions to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, we request you to rejoin the queue.

Pete: Pete, go ahead.

Speaker Change: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question please press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.

Operator: You mentioned in your prepared remarks that the Chatham to Lakeshore line saw some savings. Can you just discuss where these savings come from? And what they may mean for the other lines, including Sinclair and Elosigan? [inaudible] Good morning, Maurice.

Pete: To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again.

Pete: Our first question comes from the line of Maurice Choi with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Maurice Choi: Thanks, Anne. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to touch on the cost environment relating to transmission lines. You mentioned in your prepared remarks that

Maurice Choi: the Chatham to Lake Shore Line saw some savings. Can you just discuss where these savings come from and what these may mean for the other lines, including St. Clair and the Wasigan Lines?

David Lebeter: David Lebeter here, and thanks for that question. There are a number of factors that allowed us to bring that line in both a year early and significantly under budget. First of all, our partnerships with both the indigenous communities in the area, as well as the municipalities in that area, allowed the project to proceed in a more timely fashion. We also were able to change our approach to land acquisition and land rights acquisitions.

Speaker Change: Good morning, Maurice. David Lebeter here and thanks for that question. There's a number of factors that allowed us to bring that line in both a year early and significantly under budget.

Speaker Change: First of all, our partnerships with both the Indigenous communities in the area.

Speaker Change: As well as the municipalities in that area allowed the project to proceed in a more timely fashion. We also were able to, by changing our approach to land acquisition and land rights acquisitions, we were able to reach voluntary settlement with all of the landowners along the route, which again significantly de-risked the project and allowed it to move faster.

David Lebeter: We were able to reach voluntary settlements with all of the landowners along the route, which again significantly de-risked the project and allowed it to move faster. [inaudible] The province of Ontario has streamlined its environmental legislation, and what that allowed us to do was get our environmental assessment and our permits in hand at a much faster pace. They've paralleled the process in Ontario with the federal one, so rather than having to go through two processes, you now go through one process.

Speaker Change: The province of Ontario has streamlined their environmental legislation, and what that allowed us to do is get our environmental assessment and our permits in hand at a much faster pace. They've paralleled the process in Ontario with the federal one, so rather than having to go through two processes, you now go through one process.

David Lebeter: And just the experience that our teams and our contractors are achieving by having built the transmission line, that line was built by a contractor that put together a team that had experience across North America, and they brought their best ideas for it, so it was a range of factors that allowed us to accomplish that.

Speaker Change: And just the experience that our teams and our contractors are achieving by having built transmission, that down the line is built by a contractor that brought a team together.

Speaker Change: that had experience across North America and they brought their best ideas forward. So it was a range of factors that allowed us to accomplish that. That feed had come in, as I said, a year early and $31 million under budget. Looking forward to continuing on the building on that success.

David Lebeter: That feed came in, as I said, a year early and $31 million under budget, and I was looking forward to continuing to building on that success. Is your expectation that the Sinclair $472 million might also potentially see some savings as well, or is it not? All reflected in terms of this practice. You know, every transmission line in every project is unique and different. Of course, you always want to repeat the last one, but everything is different and unique.

Speaker Change: Is your expectation that the Sinclair $472 million might also potentially see some savings as well or is this all reflected in terms of best practices?

Speaker Change: You know, every transmission line and every project is unique and different. Of course, you always want to repeat the last one, but everything is different and unique, so you have to take what you learned from the last one, apply it to the best of your ability on the one you're working for now, and we'll certainly keep our investors and yourself appraised of progress as that line moves forward.

David Lebeter: So you have to take what you learned from the last one and apply it to the best of your ability on the one you're working for now. And we'll certainly keep our investors and yourself appraised of progress as that line moves forward. Thanks, and maybe for the other projects where a Section 92 application hasn't been submitted, can you discuss roughly where you are in those, and more importantly, broadly, when do you think those will be in service?

Speaker Change: [inaudible]

Speaker Change: Thanks, and maybe for the other projects where Section 92 application hasn't been discussed, can you discuss roughly where you are in those and more importantly broadly when do you think those will be in service?

David Lebeter: Yeah, if you look at our tables, you'll see the dates that we've been asked to bring them in service as to when we'll bring section 92 forward. We'll let you know as that comes along. Of course, that's driven by our progress in engineering, route selection, and public consultation. So I'd be, I want to say the word foolish to put a prediction out now because of the process we need to go through.

Speaker Change: Yeah, if you look at our tables, you'll see the dates that we've been asked to bring them in service as to when we'll bring Section 92s forward. We'll let you know as that comes along. Of course, that's driven by our progress in engineering, route selection, and public consultation. So I'd be, I want to say the word foolish to put a prediction out now, because it's a process we need to go through.

David Lebeter: And just to finish up on all these additional lines, when you think about, I guess, funding for this, and also how you work for broadband as well. I know this is probably close to the end of the decade, but when do you reckon that you might start preparing your balance sheet for the CapEx that might come through, perhaps some of these requirements being beyond what your balance sheet can afford right now? Yeah, Maurice, I'm going to let Harry speak to that question. Hi Maurice.

Speaker Change: Got it. And just to finish up on all these additional lines, when you think about...

Speaker Change: I guess, funding for this and also for the work for the broadband as well.

Speaker Change: I know this is probably close to the end of the decade, but when do you reckon that you might start preparing your balance sheet for the CapEx that might come through, perhaps some of these requirements being beyond what your balance sheet can afford right now?

Harry Taylor: We believe that we do not need to issue any equity, certainly before this rate period is up, absent any significant LDC acquisition. We are preparing, as you saw from our disclosures this morning, we upsized our credit facility, so we have $3.3 billion that's on the debt side, and our FFO to debt is still well north of the 11% bright line test that S&P uses.

Speaker Change: Yeah, Maurice, I'm going to let Harry speak to that question.

Harry: Hi, Maurice. We believe that we do not need to issue any equity, certainly before this rate period is up.

Speaker Change: absent any significant LDC acquisition. We are preparing, as you saw from our disclosures this morning, we upsized our credit facility, so we have $3.3 billion. That's on the debt side.

Speaker Change: and our FFO to debt is still well north of the 11% bright line test that S&P uses.

Harry Taylor: So we're monitoring it and getting ready, but it's not in the short term. We want to maintain the healthy credit metrics that we have and the strength of the balance sheet, but it is outside this rate period right now. I understand. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Jarvi with CIBC. Your line is now open.

Speaker Change: So we're monitoring it and getting ready, but it's not in the short term. We want to maintain the healthy credit metrics that we have and the strength of the balance sheet, but it is outside this rate period right now.

Speaker Change: Understood, thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Jarvie with CIBC. Your line is now open.

Operator: Yeah, good morning, everyone. Harry, just picking up on your last comments there about funding, you talked about the increased credit capacity, and being in good shape enough about debt. As you've taken time to settle in, is there anything you're thinking about in terms of tweaking the funding plan, just timing of raising debt, sources of debt, anything that you're contemplating that might be just sort of a subtle evolution of how you've done it in the past? No is the short answer.

Mark Jarvie: Yeah, good morning everyone. Harry, just picking up on your last comments there about funding, you talked about the increased credit capacity, good shape on alpha vota debt. As you've taken time to settle in,

Mark Jarvie: Is there anything you're thinking about in terms of tweaking the funding plan, just timing of raising debt, sources of debt, anything that you're contemplating that might be just sort of subtle evolution of how you've done it, the funding in the past?

Harry Taylor: As we go through this process, we have a great program here, and we're obviously very tactical in terms of when we issue debt. We're looking to keep our weighted average rate down and the maturity up in the double digits. So the rate environment has now come back to where things are certainly more favorable to where we'd like to be in terms of issuing, but no change in the practice that we've established over the last couple of years.

Speaker Change: No, is the short answer. As we go through, we have a great program here and we're obviously very tactical in terms of when we issue debt. We're looking to keep our weighted average rate down and the maturity up in the double digits.

Speaker Change: So the rate environment has now come back to where things are certainly more favorable to where we'd like to be in terms of issuing, but no change in the practice that we've established over the last couple of years.

Speaker Change: Understood. And then just on the proceedings with the OEB around cost of capital and any updated views in terms of how that's tracking what you're advocating for and how you see that progressing in the coming months and year ahead?

David Lebeter: And then just on the proceedings with the OEB around cost of capital and any updated views in terms of how that's tracking what you're advocating for and how you see that progressing in the coming months and year ahead. Hey Mark, thanks for that question. The proceeds, from what I can tell, are going well. Of course, we don't get any indication from the OEB.

Speaker Change: Hey Mark, thanks for that question. The proceeds from what I can tell are going well. Of course, we don't get any indication from the OEB. They're asking their questions, they're running their panels, they're collecting their information. But we remain optimistic that as we come out of this process, Ontario will still be a favorable jurisdiction, a jurisdiction that has

David Lebeter: They're asking their questions, they're running their panels, they're collecting their information, but we remain optimistic that as we come out of this process, Ontario will still be a favorable jurisdiction, a jurisdiction that has predictability, a jurisdiction that works well for the investors as well as protects ratepayers. Is a higher equity thickness something you think you would want to advocate for or something that could come to fruition through this process? Yeah, what I can tell you is that we've advocated for a higher equity thickness to compensate for this period of growth where our growth is exceeding our capital expenditures are exceeding that in service additions during a rapid growth period.

Speaker Change: Predictability, a jurisdiction that works well for the investors as well as protects rate payers.

Speaker Change: Is a higher equity thickness something you think you would want to advocate for or something that could come to fruition through this process?

Mark Jarvie: Yeah, what I can tell you is that we've advocated for a higher equity thickness to compensate for this period of...

Speaker Change: Growth, where our growth is exceeding, our capital expenditures are exceeding that are in service additions during a rapid growth period.

David Lebeter: Some of the other LDCs in the province have been asking for a higher rate of return. So there's a range of things that people are putting into that process. But, as I said, I remain confident that DOAB will reach a ruling that maintains the attractiveness of this market to investors.

Speaker Change: Some of the other LDCs in the province have been asking for a higher rate of return, so there's a range of things that people are putting into that process, but as I said, I remain confident that the OAB will find a ruling that maintains the attractiveness of this market to investors.

David Lebeter: But nothing initially, like a pushback to say that's not even going to be contemplated. You're not hearing anything in terms of equity sickness to say that you couldn't potentially see that through this proceeding? As I started to say at the beginning of the question, Mark, the OAB goes through the process of collecting its evidence, collecting its answers, and they don't give an indication until they bring a ruling forward.

Speaker Change: But nothing initially like a pushback to say that's not even going to be contemplated? You're not hearing anything in terms of equity thickness to say that you couldn't potentially see that coming?

Speaker Change: through this proceeding. As I started to say at the beginning of the question Mark, the OAB goes through the process of collecting their evidence, collecting their answers and they don't give an indication until they bring a ruling forward. Understood. Okay, thanks for your time today.

Operator: Okay. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Hope with Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Hope with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Operator: Follow-up question to Mark's on, for Haring. So you've been on the team for a couple months now, so it looks like there was no change to the funding plan. But, you know, as you take a look at other aspects of your role, both as the CFO as well as as the regulatory officer, any changes there or anything you want to call out? Rob, again, no. I believe that, fundamentally, the business has such great fundamentals in terms of growth and opportunities, and the team here has done a terrific job of managing both the balance sheet, creating a great operation in terms of delivering for our residential, commercial, and industrial customers, and successfully securing long-term transmission line projects that mean the future is extremely bright.

Robert Hope: Good morning, everyone. Followed question to Mark's for Harry. So you've been in the tape for a couple months now. So it looks like no change to the funding plan. But as you take a look at other aspects of your role, both on the CFO as well as as well as the regulatory officer, any changes there or anything you want to call out.

Robert Hope: Rob, again, no, I believe that fundamentally the business has such great fundamentals in terms of growth and opportunities and the team here has done a terrific job of managing both the balance sheet, creating a great operation in terms of delivering for our residential and commercial and industrial customers, and successfully securing long-term transmission line projects that, I mean, the future is extremely bright.

Operator: We're trading at a great multiple from a stock point of view. The balance sheet is strong, so it's more to continue this. I've quipped to a number of investors that I took the Hippocratic oath, which was first, do no harm, and continue this great track record of success, and that is my intent.

Robert Hope: We're trading at a great multiple from a stock point of view, the balance sheet is strong, so it's more continue this.

Speaker Change: I've quipped to a number of investors that I took the Hippocratic Oath, which was first, do no harm, continue this great track record of success, and that is my intent.

Harry Taylor: Thank you for that. And then just moving back over to broadband, you mentioned three to 700 million in work in the distribution business. Can you speak to how that has changed over the months and quarters and kind of what cadence of spend moving forward we should look for? Well, I think we are all dressed up and ready to go.

Speaker Change: Thank you for that. And then just moving back over to the broadband, you mentioned three to seven hundred million of work in the distribution business. Can you speak to how that has changed through the months and quarters and kind of what cadence of spend moving forward we should look for?

Harry Taylor: So we're now at the mercy, for lack of a better term, of the internet service providers to ramp up their orders. We're seeing orders come in, but not at the pace that we were expecting. We're working very closely with them and our partners in government to deliver against this important policy objective they have. But unless and until we see an increase in orders, we will not see an acceleration. And that's one of the reasons we took the guidance down. I think it was the last quarter when we took it down, just because of the pace of orders. Thank you. You're welcome.

Speaker Change: Well, I think we are all dressed up and ready to go, so we're now at the mercy, for lack of a better term, of the internet service providers to ramp their orders up. We're seeing orders come in, but not at the pace that we were expecting.

Speaker Change: We're working very closely with them and our partners in government to deliver against this important policy objective they have.

Speaker Change: But, unless and until we see an increase in orders, we will not see an acceleration. That's one of the reasons we took the guidance down, I think it was last quarter when we took it down, just because of the pace of orders.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question at this time, please press star 1-1 on your touchstone telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Kenny with National Bank Financial. Your line is now open.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: You're welcome. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question at this time, please press star 1-1 on your touchtone telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Kinney with National Bank Financial. Your line is now open.

Operator: Yeah, good morning, everybody. I wanted to get your thoughts here on your labor. We've seen some heightened tensions across other industries in Canada this summer with strikes and whatnot. I believe your agreement with the Power Workers Union is still in place for another year or so. But just, you know, how are you thinking about getting ahead of some of these? You know, dynamics that are affecting other industries. Good morning, Patrick.

Patrick Kinney: Yeah, good morning everybody. I wanted to get your thoughts here on your labor unions. You know, we've seen some

Patrick Kinney: heightened tensions across other industries in Canada this summer with strikes and whatnot. I believe your agreement with the Power Workers Union is still in place for another year or so, but just, you know, how are you thinking about getting ahead of some of these

David Lebeter: Nice to hear from you today. You know, labor is really important to any organization for it to be successful, and that's no different with Hydro One.

Patrick Kinney: You know dynamics that are affecting other industries

Patrick Kinney: Morning Patrick, nice to hear from you today.

David Lebeter: So we pay close attention to what's happening in the country, as well as pay close attention to what's going on within our unions. And I'm happy to report that we have very good relationships with all our unions, Power Workers being just one of them, but also the Society of Professionals, as well as EPSCA and a couple other unions. And you are right, our Power Workers Union contract, as well as our society, does not expire for another year. It's actually in October of 2025.

Speaker Change: You know, labor is really important to any organization to be successful, and that's no different with Hydro One. We pay close attention to what's happening in the country, as well as pay close attention to what's going on within our unions, and I'm happy to report we have very good relationships with all our unions. The Power Workers just being one of them, but also the Society of Professionals, as well as EPSCA and a couple other unions.

Speaker Change: And you are right, our Power Workers Union contract, as well as our society, does not expire for another year. It's actually in October of 2025.

David Lebeter: And we don't anticipate any; certainly, we're not looking at a strike. We don't anticipate any strike. I believe that we have a very constructive relationship. We've always treated them fairly, and they've always been reasonable in their requests. So I don't anticipate any labor disputes like you've seen elsewhere in the country, and we're in contact and in discussions with the unions. So you may think that the only time we actually work with the unions is during collective bargaining, but it's far from true.

Speaker Change: And we don't anticipate any...

Speaker Change: Certainly, we're not looking at a strike. We don't anticipate one. I believe that we have a very constructive relationship. We've always treated them fairly, and they've always been reasonable in their requests, so I don't anticipate any labor dispute like you've seen elsewhere in the country.

Speaker Change: And we're in contact discussion with the unions. So you may think that the only time we actually work with the unions is during collective bargaining, but it's far from true. We actually work with our unions throughout the period between bargaining and during bargaining. And the work you do between bargaining periods is actually more important because that sets the stage for bargaining.

David Lebeter: We actually work with our unions throughout the period between bargaining and during bargaining. And the work you do between bargaining periods is actually more important, because that sets the stage for bargaining. So I'm going to go on a limb here and say those that find themselves in trouble, sometimes it's a result of not doing that work during the period from the last contract to the current one.

Speaker Change: I'm going to go on a limb here and say those that find themselves in trouble, sometimes it's a result of not doing that work during the period from the last contract to the current one.

David Lebeter: Okay, thanks for that, David, and then maybe just on the LDC consolidation front here. Coming back to the upgrade on the credit rating as well as just general interest rates coming down. I'm just curious if this lower financing cost environment is helping to push forward some deal flow, perhaps even some larger ticket opportunities that may not have been there, you know, say, six to 12 months ago. Yeah, we are seeing increased, I would say there are certainly people who are interested in coming out and selling their assets, but I don't believe it's being driven by the lower interest rates.

Speaker Change: Okay, thanks for that, David.

Speaker Change: And then maybe just on the LDC consolidation front here.

Speaker Change: You know coming back to the upgrade on the credit rating as well as just general interest rates coming down

Speaker Change: I'm just curious if you see this lower financing cost environment, you know, helping to push forward some deal flow, perhaps even some larger ticket opportunities that may not have been there, you know, say six to 12 months ago.

Speaker Change: Yeah, we are seeing increased.

Speaker Change: interest from LBCs and wanting to discuss selling their assets but I don't believe it's being driven by the lower interest. It really is being driven by they have other financing needs or they're not able to finance the needs of their LBC to accomplish what they want to accomplish.

David Lebeter: It really is being driven by them having other financing needs, or they're not able to finance the needs of their LDCs to accomplish what they want to accomplish. So the lower finance rate certainly helps, but it's actually other factors that drive it forward, and we have seen, as I said, more interest, more people reaching out and asking questions over the past six months. So continue to remain optimistic, and we will deliver on our plan over the rate period. Okay, that's great. I'll leave it be.

Speaker Change: So, the lower finance rate certainly helps, but it's actually other factors that drive it forward. And we have seen, as I said, more interest, more people reaching out and asking questions over the past six months. So, continue to remain optimistic that we will deliver on our plan over the rate period.

Operator: Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Benjamin Pham with BMO. Your line is now open. Hi, thanks. Good morning.

Speaker Change: Okay, that's great. I'll leave it there.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our last question comes from the line of Benjamin Pham with BMO. Your line is now open.

Operator: I was wondering, can you comment on the pace of electrification in Ontario and some of the trends we're seeing on the part of the male side, maybe by region, and has there been any change in the Ditter Center connections at all? Thanks for that question, Ben. So, the rate of electrification moves up and down. So, I mean, we all read the news.

Benjamin Sam: Hi, thanks, good morning. I was wondering, can you comment on the pace of electrification in Ontario and some of the trends we're seeing on the power demand side, maybe by region, and has there been any change in the data center connections at all?

David Lebeter: What we've seen is the rate of EV purchases has slowed down. It hasn't stopped. It's just slowed down.

Beth: Thanks for that question, Ben. So, the rate of electrification, it moves up and down. So, I mean, we all read the news and what we've seen is the rate of EV purchases has slowed down. It hasn't stopped. It's just slowed down. That's probably, that's part of the economic cycle. We'll go through those things. We continue to see a lot of interest.

David Lebeter: That's probably, that's part of the economic cycle. We'll go through those things. We continue to see a lot of interest from companies both wanting to locate new businesses in Ontario, as well as electrify the businesses that you currently have within the province of Ontario. So, I'm not concerned about it. It's moving forward at a very nice pace. I think you had a second part of your question, which, my apologies, I did forget. If you just ask that again, Oh, data centers. Sorry. Data centers, we continue to see increased interest in the province of Ontario. Canada lags behind the US for data center penetration.

Beth: from companies both wanting to locate new businesses in Ontario as well as electrify the businesses that you currently have within the province of Ontario.

Speaker Change: So I'm not concerned about it. It's moving forward on a very nice pace. I think you had a second part of your question, which my apologies, I did forget. If you just ask that again. Oh, data center. Sorry.

Speaker Change: Data centers we continue to see increased interest in the in the province of Ontario. Canada lags behind the U.S. for data center penetration.

David Lebeter: And we see the large data centers want to remedy that. I think when we talked last quarter, we had about 4,000 megawatts of data centers we were aware of in the queue. I think that number is up to closer to 6,000 now. So, we are seeing the penetration.

Speaker Change: We see the large data centers wanted to remedy that. I think when we talked last quarter, we had about 4,000 megawatts of data centers we were aware of in the queue. I think that number's up to closer to 6,000 now. So we are seeing the penetration. There is work going on.

David Lebeter: There is work going on at a couple of data centers, and I know that the province is certainly interested in being open for business and would like to say yes to all the data centers that are located here. And that's part of what I think the new minister's mandate will be: how do we attract these businesses but also make sure they have sufficient energy and a timely connection they find Ontario to be a place to come to.

Speaker Change: on a couple data centers and I know that the province is certainly interested in being open for business and would like to say yes to all the data centers that are located here and that's part of what I think the new minister's mandate will be is how do we

Speaker Change: attract these businesses, but also make sure they have sufficient energy and a timely connection that they find Ontario's an attractive place to come to.

David Lebeter: Okay, that's great. And then maybe from the First Nations side of things and the partnerships that you're announcing there, could you remind me, is there a cap in terms of the participation of First Nations that is driven by the guarantees at all, or is it on a different level? You're thinking of helping to set a cap in terms of equity percentage or a cap in terms of who can participate. This is the total amount of participation and our absolute dollars.

Speaker Change: Okay, that's great and then

Speaker Change: I made some of the First Nations set of things and the partnerships that you're announcing there. Could you remind...

Speaker Change: For me, is there a cap in terms of the participation of First Nations that are driven by the Guarantees at all, or is it on a different wavelength?

Speaker Change: You're thinking of, help me understand the question, cap in terms of equity percentage or cap in terms of who can participate?

Speaker Change: just the total amount of participation and our absolute dollars.

David Lebeter: No, we don't have, we don't have a cap. It's, it's the approach has been it's 50% equity ownership on the transmission line component. So, of course, on the Waskin transmission line, which is a total capitalization of 1.2 billion, the number will be bigger than on the St. Claire transmission line, which is 472 million.

Speaker Change: No, we don't have a cap.

Speaker Change: The approach has been it's 50%

Speaker Change: Equity, Ownership, and the Transmission Line Component, so of course...

Speaker Change: on the Waskin transmission line, which is a total capitalization of $1.2 billion, a number a little bit bigger than on the St. Clair transmission line, which is $472 million. We've stuck with the 50% because that reflects

David Lebeter: We've stuck with the 50% because that reflects, if you go back and look at the treaties, that reflects the language in the treaties, which talks about partnership, it talks about sharing it, it talks about equality. So that's why I'm hung on the 50-50. Yeah, and it may just clarify that.

Speaker Change: If you go back and look at the treaties, that reflects the language in the treaties, which talked about a partnership, it talked about sharing, and it talks about equal. So that's why I'm calling them the 50-50.

David Lebeter: I was thinking more, you know, let's say the loan guarantee is a couple of billion dollars. Is that? Does that influence everything in terms of how much First Nations can invest in your project? Ben, let me just clarify: we do not guarantee the financing for the First Nations. We support them. And so, Arthur Capra's act, our Treasury team does a lot to enable them to access low-cost funding, but there is no guarantee from us to the First Nations or the partnership of the First Nations for their death. Yeah, but I guess the First Nations, like when they invest, they are to some extent getting a loan guarantee from the government, right? There are programs that will provide that for you.

Speaker Change: And maybe just to clarify that, the second more, let's say the loan guarantee is a couple billion dollars. Is that...

Speaker Change: Is that influence all in terms of how much First Nations can invest in your projects?

Speaker Change: Ben, let me just clarify, we do not guarantee the financing for the First Nations. We support them, and so Arthur Kaprzak and our Treasury team do a lot to enable them to access.

Speaker Change: low-cost funding but there is no guarantee from us to the First Nations or the partnership of the First Nations for their debt.

Speaker Change: Yeah, but I guess the First Nations, like when they invest, they are to some extent getting a loan guarantee from the government, right?

David Lebeter: So far, they haven't received federal loan guarantees; we believe they'll get some provincial. We're certainly lobbying on their behalf with them, not on their behalf, but with them. We think they should qualify for the Indigenous Loan Guarantee Program the federal government announced in the last budget, but these projects, the way they are structured, we've significantly de-risked them for them, and that's why they're attractive for investors.

Speaker Change: There are programs that will provide that.

Speaker Change: So far they haven't received federal loan guarantees. We believe they'll get some provincial. We're certainly lobbying on behalf with them, not on behalf, but with them. We think they should qualify for the Indigenous Loan Guarantee Program the federal government announced in the last budget.

Speaker Change: But these projects, the way they are structured, we've significantly de-risked them for them, and that's why it's attractive for investors.

David Lebeter: Okay, got it. I understand. Thank you. Thank you. And that does conclude our Q&A session for today. I'd like to turn the call back over to Omar Javed for any further questions.

Speaker Change: Okay, got it. Understood. Okay, thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you. And that does conclude our Q&A session for today. I'd like to turn the call back over to Omar Javed for any further remarks.

Omar Javed: Thanks, Chen. The management team at Hydro One thanks everyone for their time with us this morning during what is a busy period. We appreciate your interest and your continued support. If you have any questions that weren't addressed on the call, please feel free to reach out, and we'll get them answered for you. Thank you again, and enjoy the rest of your day. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program, and you may all disconnect. Have a great day.

Omar Javed: Thank you Chen. The management team at Hydro One thanks everyone for their time with us this morning during what is a busy period. We appreciate your interest and your continued support. If you have any questions that weren't addressed on the call please feel free to reach out and we'll get them answered for you. Thank you again and enjoy the rest of your day.

Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program and you may all disconnect. Have a great day.

Harry Taylor: Contributing to the increase were lower deductible timing differences compared to last year and higher adjusted pre-tax earnings. The effective tax rate this quarter was 16.2% versus an effective tax rate last year of 19.6%. The effective tax rate for six months was 15.5% compared to 19% for the first six months of last year.