Q2 2024 Crawford & Co Earnings Call
Julie: Good morning, my name is Julie and I will be your conference facilitator today.
Operator: This time I would like to welcome everyone to the Crawford & Company second quarter 2024 earnings release conference call. In conjunction with that call, a supplementary financial presentation is available on our website at www.crawford.com under the investor relations section. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.
Speaker Change: At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Crawford & Co. 2nd Quarter 2024 Earnings Release Conference Call. In conjunction with that call, a supplementary financial presentation is available on our website at www.crawford.com, under the Investor Relations section.
Operator: After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period, and instructions will follow at that time. Should anyone need assistance at any time during this conference, please press star zero, and an operator will assist you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, August 6, 2024. Now, I would like to introduce Tami Stevenson, Crawford & Company's General Counsel.
Speaker Change: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. Instructions will follow at that time.
Speaker Change: Should anyone need assistance at any time during this conference, please press star zero and an operator will assist you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, August 6, 2024.
Tami Stevenson: Now I would like to introduce Tami Stevenson, Crawfrd, and Companies General Consul.
Tami Stevenson: Thank you, Julie. Some of the matters to be discussed in this conference call and in the supplementary financial presentation may include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. These statements may relate to, among other things, our expected future operating results and financial condition, our ability to grow revenues, and reduce our operating expenses. Expectations regarding our anticipated contributions to our underfunded Defined Benefit Pension Plan.
Tami Stevenson: Thank you, Julie. Some of the matters to be discussed in this conference call and in the supplementary financial presentation may include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties.
Speaker Change: These statements may relate to, among other things, our expected future operating results and financial condition, our ability to grow revenues and reduce our operating expenses.
Speaker Change: Expectations regarding our anticipated contributions to our underfunded defined benefit pension plans. Collectibility of our billed and unbilled account receivable. Financial results from our recently completed acquisitions.
Tami Stevenson: Collectibility of our billed and unbilled account receivable, financial results from our recently completed acquisitions, our continued compliance with the financial and other covenants contained in our financing agreements, our long-term capital resources and liquidity requirements, and our ability to pay dividends in the future. The company's actual results achieved in future quarters could differ materially from the results that may be implied by such forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly release revisions to any forward-looking statements made in this conference call to reflect events or circumstances occurring after the date of the call or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
Speaker Change: Our continued compliance with the financial and other covenants contained in our financing agreements, our long-term capital resource and liquidity requirements, and our ability to pay dividends in the future.
Speaker Change: The company's actual results achieved in future quarters could differ materially from the results that may be implied by such forward-looking statements.
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Tami Stevenson: In addition, you are reminded that operating results for any historical period are not necessarily indicative of results to be expected for any future period. For a complete discussion regarding factors which could affect the company's financial performance, please refer to the company's Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2024, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, particularly the information under the headings Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, as well as subsequent company filings with the SEC. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined under the FCC rules. As required, a reconciliation is provided for those measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures.
Speaker Change: In addition, you are reminded that operating results for any historical period are not necessarily indicative of results to be expected for any future period.
Speaker Change: For a complete discussion regarding factors which could affect the company's financial performance, please refer to the company's Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2024, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker Change: particularly the information under the headings Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, as well as subsequent company filings with the SEC.
Speaker Change: This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined under the SEC rules.
Speaker Change: As required, a reconciliation is provided for those measures.
Tami Stevenson: I would like now to introduce Mr. Rohit Verma, Chief Executive Officer of Crawford & Company. Rohit, you may begin. Thank you, Tami.
Speaker Change: to the most directly comparable GAAP measures .
Roit Verma: I would like now to introduce Mr. Rohit Verma, Chief Executive Officer of Crawford and Company. Rohit, you may begin.
Rohit Verma: Thank you, Tami. Good morning, and welcome to our second quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me today is Bruce Swain, our Chief Financial Officer, and Tami Stevenson, our General Counsel. Before we start today, the board and I would like to give a warm welcome to our new director, Joel Murphy. Additionally, we would like to thank departing board members Charlie Ogburn and Michelle Gerard for their service to Crawford & Company. We look forward to collaborating with Joel and wish Charlie and Michelle very well.
Roit Verma: Thank you, Tami. Good morning and welcome to our second quarter 2024 earnings call. Joining me today is Bruce Swain, our Chief Financial Officer, and Tami Stevenson, our General Counsel.
Speaker Change: Before we start today, the board and I would like to give a warm welcome to our new director, Joel Murphy. Additionally, we would like to thank departing board members Charlie Ogburn and Michelle Gerard for their service to Crawford & Company. We look forward to collaborating with Joel and wish Charlie and Michelle very well.
Rohit Verma: The second quarter of 2024 demonstrated the continued strength of our core non-weather businesses, which delivered strong performances. Although we did continue to see the impact of benign weather reflected in revenues from weather-related businesses, today I will take you through the operational highlights of the quarter, and then I will turn over to Bruce for a deeper review of the financial results for the second quarter. As most of you know, Crawford is the leading publicly traded claims management provider handling over $20 billion in claims annually across 70 countries, and we serve a well-known base of clients, including some of the most recognizable names in the industry.
Roit Verma: The second quarter 2024 demonstrated the continued strength of our core non-weather businesses, which delivered strong performances.
Speaker Change: Although we did continue to see the impact of benign weather reflected in revenues of weather-related business, today I will take you through the operational highlights of the quarter and then I will turn over to Bruce for a deeper review of the financial results for the second quarter.
Roit Verma: As most of you know, Crawfrd is the leading publicly traded claims management provider handling over $20 billion in claims annually across 70 countries, and we serve a well-known base of clients, including some of the most recognizable names in the industry.
Rohit Verma: With a workforce of around 10,000 skilled professionals and tens of thousands of field resources, our extensive scale and global reach distinguish us in a fragmented market, positioning us as a preferred partner for top carriers, many of whom are longstanding customers. Crawford is an organization with more than 80 years of history, and our focus is on building long-term and sustained value for all stakeholders.
Roit Verma: With a workforce of around 10,000 skilled professionals and tens of thousands of field resources, our extensive scale and global reach distinguish us in a fragmented market.
Roit Verma: positioning us as a preferred partner for top carriers, many of whom are long-standing customers.
Roit Verma: Crawford is an organization with more than 80 years of history and our focus is on building long-term and sustained value for all stakeholders.
Rohit Verma: We have faced a lot of different market dynamics since the company's founding and continue to strategically evolve the model to perform and thrive in all market environments. Extreme weather events are becoming more severe and more frequent globally, driving long-term growth in weather-related claims revenue for Crawford. Despite relatively benign weather in the last nine months, our catastrophe-specific teams remain crucial in supporting carriers and policyholders when severe weather hits. While our weather-related revenue can fluctuate, experts believe that claims associated with extreme weather are likely to increase for the foreseeable future, underscoring the importance of our dedicated catastrophe teams in the face of rising long-term demand.
Rohit Verma: Second, Crawford is ideally suited to meet the demand for increased outsourcing of claims processing through our ability to provide capacity, expertise, and scale for the efficient and cost-effective management of outsourced claims. Third, we are gaining share in the fragmented U.S. independent loss-adjusting market and continue to build and strengthen our partnerships across all our verticals. Finally, our proprietary insurance technology saves our clients time and money, and we continuously invest in developing, enhancing, and deploying advanced technology solutions around the world.
Rohit Verma: Turning to our quarterly performance, we continue to demonstrate strength in our core business with growth in three of our four segments this quarter. However, our overall consolidated results were impacted by the benign weather trend we have seen over the last nine months. However, damage resulting from severe convective storm activity and catastrophic events was at an unusually high level in 2023. To date, in 2024, carriers have largely managed claims in-house. However, our teams stand ready to provide crucial support to assist carriers in managing increased claim volumes and aiding in the rebuilding of severely affected communities when severe storm activity picks up.
Roit Verma: We continue to demonstrate strength in our core business with growth in three of our four segments this quarter. However, our overall consolidated results were impacted by the benign weather trend we have seen over the last nine months.
Roit Verma: Our operating earnings of 22.1 million dollars also came in just slightly below the second quarter of 2023.
Roit Verma: Importantly, our non-weather businesses performed well this quarter.
Roit Verma: underscoring the balance and resilience of Crawford's business platform.
Roit Verma: Our GTS service line also had a record revenue this quarter and we saw solid growth in our international operations.
Roit Verma: Our efforts to improve efficiencies across our business are yielding results, with operating earnings growth in three segments this quarter.
Roit Verma: And, as a result of the hard work of our talented staff and proven success fostering client relationships, we added a total of $23 million in new and enhanced business this quarter.
Roit Verma: As shown by the chart on the left, at Crawfrd we achieved 6% growth in our non-weather business this quarter, which reflects the continued traction we are getting in our growth strategy that is diversifying our revenue mix.
Roit Verma: Our weather-related business, which includes U.S. CAT, U.S. loss-adjusting in Australia, decreased 21 percent.
Roit Verma: The middle chart shows our network business. As a reminder, networks serve our largest clients with their catastrophe-specific claims handling needs.
Roit Verma: Similar to the first quarter of this year, this segment saw a decrease in revenues from claims management services, frequently tied to storm activity.
Gallagher-Reed: Profiled on the chart on the right, Gallagher Re reported a 21% decrease in insured losses from U.S. severe convective storms in the first half of 2024, consistent with the decrease we have seen in our weather-related business.
Roit Verma: This may sound surprising given the significant weather events in the news, including last month's Hurricane Beryl, one of the earliest storms in the U.S. However, ensured damage from Beryl was lower than similar storms in prior years.
Speaker Change: Given the available capacity at carriers due to benign weather patterns seen over the last nine months, we expect minimum revenue impact from barrel.
Speaker Change: To date, in 2024, carriers have largely managed claims in-house. However, our teams stand ready to provide crucial support assisting carriers in managing increased claims volumes and aiding in the rebuilding of severely affected communities when severe storm activity picks up.
Speaker Change: Our capital allocation strategy focuses on investing in innovation and technology to enhance claims handling and pursuing strategic acquisitions and partnerships to expand market share.
Speaker Change: Our leverage ratio remains low at 2.09 times EBITDA, giving us significant financial flexibility and liquidity.
Speaker Change: Additionally, we prioritize returning capital to shareholders via regular dividends reflecting a strong balance sheet.
Speaker Change: We continued our quarterly dividend of $0.07 for CRDA and CRDB shares in the second quarter of 2024.
Speaker Change: With that, let me turn the call over to Bruce for a deeper look at our operational and financial performance.
Bruce: Thank you, Rohit. As most of you know, our business is diversified and is comprised of four segments. North America Loss Adjusting encompasses our loss adjusting business in the U.S. and Canada and accounted for 24% of our second quarter 2024 revenues.
Bruce: Now let's review each of these segments.
Rohit Verma: Our margin expansion in the quarter was largely due to our ability to expand market share and grow our customer base in the GTS service line, which had another record revenue quarter.
Speaker Change: Our margin expansion in the quarter was largely due to our ability to expand market share and grow our customer base in the GTS service line, which had another record revenue quarter.
Speaker Change: International operations revenue for the 2024 second quarter was $102.3 million, and operating earnings were $5.7 million. Our revenue grew 7% from $95.3 million in the second quarter of 2023, or 9% when measured in constant currency.
Speaker Change: Our operating earnings showed a significant increase of more than 50% over the prior year quarter, reflecting improved performance in the UK and Europe .
Speaker Change: We still have work to do in our international operations to return to historical margin levels.
Speaker Change: Rothspire showed continued strength in the quarter, setting a new quarterly revenue record of $97.1 million in the second quarter, an 11% increase from $87.2 million in the 2023 period.
Speaker Change: Medical Management Services and Claims Management both showed strong growth of 11% in the quarter.
Speaker Change: Client wins continue to be our strongest growth driver, and our talented teams have been performing at a consistently high level in 2024. Additionally, we retain 95% of our business year-to-date, contributing to solid recurring revenues in the segment.
Speaker Change: Platform Solutions second quarter revenues of $38.8 million decreased by approximately 41% compared with $65.6 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: Operating earnings and platform solutions totaled $1.5 million, or 3.8% of segment revenues in the 2024 quarter.
Speaker Change: compared to operating earnings of $8.1 million, or 12.3% of revenues in the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: In the second quarter of 2024, company-wide revenues before reimbursements decreased 3.2% to $314.2 million.
Speaker Change: The gap net income attributable to shareholders totaled $8.6 million, compared to net income of $8.4 million in the same period of 2023.
Speaker Change: Gap diluted EPS in the 2024 second quarter with $0.17 for both CRDA and CRDB, consistent with $0.17 for both share classes in the 2023 period.
Speaker Change: On an on-gap basis, diluted EPS was $0.25 for both CRDA and CRDB compared to $0.24 for both share classes in the prior year period.
Speaker Change: Companies non-GAAP operating earnings totaled $22.1 million in the 2024 second quarter, or 7% of revenues, compared to $22.8 million, or 7% of revenues in the prior year period.
Speaker Change: Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA was $30.6 million in the 2024 second quarter or 9.7% of revenues compared to $31.5 million or 9.7% of revenues in the 2023 quarter.
Speaker Change: compared to $58.4 million at the 2023 year-end.
Speaker Change: Our total receivables were up $17 million from the 2023 year-end, primarily due to an increase in unbilled revenues that we expect to unwind through the remainder of the year.
Speaker Change: Company's total debt outstanding as of June 30, 2024 totaled $233.8 million, up from $209.1 million as of December 31, 2023, which is not unusual for the front half of the year.
Speaker Change: Net debt stood at $187.1 million as of June 30, 2024, while our U.S. pension liability was $23.2 million at the end of the second quarter, reflecting a funded ratio of 92.6%.
Speaker Change: We made no discretionary contributions to our U.S. defined benefit pension plan during the second quarter of 2024, and we do not intend to make contributions for the remainder of the year.
Speaker Change: Cash used in operating activities for the 2024 year-to-date period was a use of $8.3 million, with free cash flow of negative $26.7 million.
Speaker Change: This compares to cash flow from operations last year of $27.2 million and free cash flow of $9.2 million. This decrease in free cash flow was primarily due to lower operating earnings, higher incentive compensation payments compared to the prior year, and other working capital increases.
Speaker Change: With that, I'll turn the call back over to Rohit for concluding remarks. Thank you, Bruce. To conclude, we saw some very encouraging earnings growth and margin expansion this quarter in three of our four segments.
Rohit: I am optimistic about our overall trajectory and momentum with our strong business foundation and proven growth strategy.
Rohit: Thank you for your time today. Julie, please open the call for questions.
Julie: Thank you. At this time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star, followed by 2. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before asking your question.
Speaker Change: Your first question comes from Mark Hughes from Truist. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Yeah, thank you. Good morning.
Mark Hughes: Morning, Mark. Morning, Mark.
Speaker Change: The Broad Spire profitability is very good in the quarter. Anything unusual boosting that, or is this a level that might be sustainable?
Speaker Change: Hi Mark, this is Rohit. You know, we've, as you know, we've been investing significantly in Broad Spire and we've been developing a strategy which has been focused on developing an unbundled technology and med management offering as well as, you know, focusing on the alternative insurance market.
Speaker Change: All those strategies are working and clicking well. We believe that the work that we have done is showing the results. We expect to continue making investments from a technology standpoint and be the...
Speaker Change: leading technology-led provider in terms of broad spire services, so we feel very good about where we are.
Speaker Change: We've also had a good run of new business there. I think you've heard that, and a strong retention at over 95%. So all of those factors are contributing, and we expect to maintain those factors, which should continue to add to the profitability.
Speaker Change: or maintain the profitability, I should say.
Speaker Change: Yeah, yeah. On GTS, you talked about the good growth there, I think record revenue. Is that utilization or have you been adding staff there driving the top line?
Speaker Change: Yeah, so I think we were, as you know, we had shared this at least two years ago now, maybe close to three years ago, that our strategy in GTS was to build an expertise-led model and continue to add to that expertise. We had made a commitment of adding 200 plus resources, which we were supposed to meet by the end of 2023, but we actually met that goal early part of 2023. And since then, we've had an opportunity to continue to add additional expertise and resources to that and gain more nominated accounts over the period. So all that has contributed to the growth and again.
Speaker Change: We're not stopping, we'll opportunistically continue to add experts when we find them and where we find them.
Speaker Change: In the international business, you had some nice recovery in margin.
Speaker Change: is have you taken the steps that you're able to take and perhaps the margin is more dependent on top line from here or are there more internal actions you can take to help improve profitability?
Rohit Verma: Look, we are very pleased with the recovery that we've seen in international as well. We do believe that this is a multi-year journey, as we've shared before, and we are partly into that journey. We expect to continue to make some more changes in the coming quarters, so we should see profitability continue to move. Is it where we want it to be? No, not yet. But we are on a journey to bring it back to pre-COVID levels, and we believe that we'll get there.
Speaker Change: Look, we are very pleased with the recovery that we've seen in international as well. We do believe that this is a multi-year journey as we've shared before, and we are partly into that journey. We expect to continue to make some more changes in the coming quarters. So we should see the profitability continue to move. Is it where we want it to be? No, not yet. But we are on a journey to bring it back to pre-COVID levels, and we believe that we'll get there.
Speaker Change: And then one more, if I might.
Speaker Change: in the weather-related lines where you've seen some pressure lately.
Speaker Change: Is your cost structure fixed, variable?
Speaker Change: to help even out some of the drier periods.
Speaker Change: It's a very good question Mark. There are elements of that cost structure which are variable and we have flexed those variables that
Speaker Change: to make sure that we account for the benign weather.
Speaker Change: We do have certain parts that we are still maintaining, and we're maintaining at a relatively higher level than what we could, only because we want to stay differentiated in the marketplace and stand ready. We, all the experts, have talked about this being one of the most active weather seasons we've seen, an early hurricane, and we've seen a second one come through. There's another system developing on the back. We just don't want to be caught flat-footed to serve our clients.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Kevin Steinke from Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Kevin Stank: Good morning. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Morning, Kevin. Hi, Kevin.
Speaker Change: Hello.
Speaker Change: I think you may have touched on this a bit, Bruce, but
Kevin Stank: You had flat revenues in North America loss adjusting but still a pickup in operating earnings year-over-year. Could you speak to that a little bit more? Any factors that might help drive that?
Bruce Swain: Yeah, I think, you know, we've seen good growth in the GTS business, and that's attracted good margins. The North America loss adjusting businesses are comprised of GTS. And we also have, you know, what we call field operations, and they were able to manage their costs well in light of some volatility with weather-related claim referrals as well.
Bruce: Yeah, I think, you know, we've seen good growth in the GTS business, and that's attracted good margins.
Speaker Change: The North America Law Suggesting Business is comprised of DTS and we also have what we call U.S. field operations, and they were able to manage their cost well in light of some volatility with weather-related costs.
Kevin Stank: claim referrals as well. So, you know, an improvement in profitability, but, you know, they're operating margin for the quarter at six and a half percent. It's pretty good considering the weather, but, you know, not where we want it to be ultimately. So still a little work to do there.
Speaker Change: Okay, what any specific work you need to do there or is it just a matter of you know the kind of weather related impact?
Kevin Stank: I think it's weather-related, primarily. As we bring on new GTS adjusters, as Rohit was mentioning earlier, there is a little bit of a ramp period there before they're fully operational.
Roit Verma: You can kind of reach their peak profitability, but no, I don't think there's anything...
Kevin Stank: Really, structurally, we need to do in the North America loss-adjusting business.
Speaker Change: Okay, thanks. And as I look at the trend in networks revenue for the third quarter over the last
Kevin Stank: three years, third quarter of 2023. It looked like a solid quarter, but it was.
Kevin Stank: The lowest revenue quarter of the last
Kevin Stank: years, 21 through 23. I suppose it's hard to judge now, but it looks like
Kevin Stank: Maybe the comp is easing a little bit, but I suppose it's also just going to be obviously highly dependent on
Speaker Change: what sort of weather activity we have here, but just kind of any thoughts on, you know, did we have unusually strong weather events last year contributing to the third quarter, or is that maybe a little bit more normalized?
Speaker Change: Kevin, we definitely had higher levels of activity particularly in Q2 of last year. What that did was it filled up the available capacity at the carriers as a result of that which you know more claims in Q3 that were coming into the carriers ended up getting outsourced. So that's what led to that.
Speaker Change: You know, we have the same set of clients still. We continue to maintain a very strong NPS with them, so we believe that if the weather activity holds, then we should start to see similar kind of work on our way. With the two hurricanes, Debbie as well as Beryl, we believe that while the claim activity has been low, it has given enough work to the carriers to be at capacity. So if we see another weather event come through, that should push more work towards us. But as history has taught me, being in the insurance industry for a long time, that never try to predict the weather until it's already happened.
Speaker Change: Right, right, makes sense, that's fair enough.
Speaker Change: Yeah, so, you know, you spoke to the momentum you have in Broadspire and
Speaker Change: It sounds like you expect that to continue.
Speaker Change: Maybe again, can you just expand on what's driving the new client wins and...
Speaker Change: the sustainability of the momentum there and
Speaker Change: what you feel might be helping drive those wins in terms of maybe competitive differentiation.
Speaker Change: Certainly, look there are three factors I believe that are driving the success in Broadspire. First and foremost being the technology investment that we've made which is really differentiating us in the marketplace.
Speaker Change: The second, a very focused strategy on not only growing the traditional business but also focused on the alternative insurance market, which focuses on MGAs and carriers and captives and program business.
Speaker Change: That has gotten quite a lot of traction. And then the third and final thing is the investments that we've made in training and development.
Speaker Change: We've been onboarding a new class of adjusters every year for the last three years or so. That has really helped us maintain our staffing levels.
Speaker Change: much better than what we hear in the marketplace from some of our competitors and as a result of which we can provide a lot more stability.
Speaker Change: of stability in terms of level of service to our clients. Those are the three biggest factors that I would say have led us to the growth, and again, we're not relenting on any of those three, so we believe that that should help us continue the momentum.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. You referred to the staffing levels there.
Speaker Change: It sounds like that's something you're going to continue to invest in in broad spires, I suppose, given the growth momentum there.
Speaker Change: maybe, you know, speak to your ability to add staff and...
Speaker Change: Your attractiveness is a destination there, maybe, you know, relative to you mentioned, maybe others not staffing up as much, but any comment there on just the labor trends in that business?
Speaker Change: Yeah, as you know, that is a market that continues, I mean, claims in general is a market which continues to age. What we've been investing in BroadSpar is to bring in what we call very early tenure adjusters people that may have had some experience in an allied kind of line or allied kind of industry, however, not directly in claims, so bringing them in and training them from the ground up. I think what makes us attractive is the kind of benefits that we offer, the kind of culture and environment that we provide, the career opportunities and the growth potential that people see.
Speaker Change: We, you know, our vision statement is to be a place where experts want to be, and we believe that that's resonating in the marketplace, and our actions are demonstrating that we are, you know, living to that vision. And those are the reasons we believe that we're able to attract workforce.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. And then just lastly on the
Speaker Change: and Broad, Spider
Speaker Change: It feels like that business is, you know...
Speaker Change: has been fully recovered from the effects of the pandemic, but maybe any trends you're seeing there in terms of...
Speaker Change: You know, a number of cases flowing, or are you starting to see kind of maybe cases that have been delayed or coming back, any sort of backlog or trends there in medical management?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I would say that since the second quarter of 2023, we've been seeing a recovery back to the pre-pandemic levels, and I would say that right now we're trending to be a little bit above the pre-pandemic levels.
Speaker Change: It's not always easy to make that comparison, but some of that is just related to growth in our underlying business as well. So when we look at our caseload on the medical management side, we believe that we've had a full recovery on the work that we had pre-pandemic, but then the additional cases or additional clients that we've added are now having cases that are in line with what we would expect them to have based on the claims load that we see there. So we believe that we're fully recovered.
Speaker Change: and moving well on that path.
Speaker Change: Okay, great, that's helpful. Thank you for taking the questions. I will turn it back over.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Always a pleasure.
Speaker Change: And there are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Mr. Verma for closing remarks.
Mr. Verma: Thank you so much, Julie, and thank you to all our employees, clients, and shareholders for your continued commitment to Crawford & Company. Thank you very much for your time today. God bless.
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