Q2 2024 KORE Group Holdings Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker Change: Greetings and welcome to the Core Group Holdings Inc. second quarter 2024 earnings conference call and webcast. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. If anyone should require operator assistance please press star zero on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker Change: It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Vik Vijayvergiya, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Vik.
Vik Vijayvergiya: Thank you, Kevin.
Vik Vijayvergiya: On today's call, we will refer to the second quarter 2024 earnings presentation, which will be helpful to follow along with, as well as the press release filed this morning that details the company's second quarter 2024 results.
Speaker Change: Both of these can be found on our investor relations page at IR.CoreWireless.com. Finally, a recording of the call will be available on the investor's section of the company's website later today.
Speaker Change: The company encourages you to review the safe harbor statements, risk factors, and other disclaimers contained on this slide and today's press release, as well as the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker Change: which identify specific risk factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in our forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: The company does not undertake to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements after this webcast.
Speaker Change: The company also notes that it will be discussing non-GAAP financial information on this call. The company is providing that information as a supplement to information prepared in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States or U.S. GAAP.
Speaker Change: You can find a reconciliation of these metrics to the company's reported gap results in the reconciliation tables provided in today's earnings release and presentation. I'll now turn the call over to Ron Totton, the company's President and Chief Executive Officer.
Ron Totton: Thank you, Vik. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2024 earnings call. With me today is Paul Holtz, CORE's Chief Financial Officer.
Ron Totton: On slide 3, we have laid out our objectives for the call. In addition to reviewing our Q2 results today, which Paul will address further in a moment, I want to first spend a bit of time talking about what I observed in the first 90 plus days.
Ron Totton: In my role, the newly announced restructuring plan we are putting in place, and the update to our financial outlook for 2024. We'll then host a Q&A session.
Ron Totton: On slide four I'll share my initial priorities as CEO, the insights gained, and our strategic response.
Ron Totton: In my first 90 days, I concentrated on these three areas. My first priority was to spend time with multiple stakeholder groups, including key customers and partners, the senior leadership team, employees, and the board to understand how we can better serve our customers.
Ron Totton: Second, I focused on identifying immediate ways to improve operational efficiency, elevate customer experience, and optimize our costs. And third, was to unlock the full potential of our people by fostering a culture of accountability and empowerment.
Ron Totton: Following this period of evaluation, I continue to believe that CORE is, one, a leading provider of IoT connectivity and solutions serving a wide range of use cases across multiple industry verticals.
Ron Totton: capitalizing on the vast addressable market greater than $12 billion which lies at the intersection of real-time data, cloud, and AI.
Ron Totton: Two, uniquely positioned with a best-in-class portfolio of mission-critical IoT offerings powered by advanced SIEM technology that deliver tangible operational efficiencies, cost reductions, and revenue growth for customers across diverse industries.
Ron Totton: 3. Backed by a deep bench of IOT industry experts, committed to driving innovation and delivering exceptional value for our customers.
Speaker Change: Following my review it also became apparent to me that first we need to realign our cost structure. Over the last three years the rate of growth and cost is more than double the growth in rate and revenue.
Speaker Change: While some cost rationalization has occurred in the past 12 months, more is needed.
Speaker Change: Second, as an organization, we need to prioritize our high-growth connectivity business and further our investments into this area.
Speaker Change: And third, our strong, experienced teams needed a more simplified org structure, putting the customer first, and a culture that reinforces strong discipline and an unwavering commitment to customer success and satisfaction.
Speaker Change: Based on these guiding principles, we developed the restructuring plan shown on slide 5.
Speaker Change: Together with the senior leadership team and with the full support of the board, we have announced a restructuring plan focused on improving operational efficiency, enhancing our customer relationships, and strengthening the foundation from which to drive long-term profitable growth.
Speaker Change: The plan features multiple elements including, one, cost reduction initiatives where we implement measures to reduce operating expenses, and streamlined processes to optimize operations and customer support.
Speaker Change: Two, workforce realignment that will see us reduce full-time headcount by approximately 25%, including both employees and contractors, with most of these actions taken before the end of the third quarter.
Speaker Change: This will better align our resources with current business needs and prospects.
Speaker Change: Three, a focus on innovation and investment targeting those areas of the business that are experiencing strong demand.
Speaker Change: This includes investing in related go-to-market strategies in order to increase our stickiness with both new and existing customers.
Speaker Change: as well as conducting R&D focus on the next generation of market-leading offerings.
Speaker Change: And four, an enhanced customer focus allowing us to strengthen relationships through an improved service and support commitment capable of delivering even higher levels of satisfaction and loyalty.
Speaker Change: This plan, which we expect to execute before the end of the third quarter, is expected to save the company $5-$6 million in 2024 from its current cash burn rate and $20-$22 million thereafter before any investment, which I'll discuss in a moment.
Speaker Change: Well, some of these decisions were difficult, especially those around workforce reductions.
Speaker Change: It was clear that prompt and decisive action was required to set the company on a stronger and more focused footing, one that would allow us to prosper over the longer term. A portion of these savings will be used to selectively invest in key areas of the connectivity business where we see the best opportunities for profitable growth.
Speaker Change: To support these initiatives, I am pleased to welcome Bruce Gordon to CORE as Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, who I have had the privilege to work with previously.
Speaker Change: Over three decades in the technology sector, Bruce has held senior roles with GeoDigital, ABB Ventix, Infor, and Descartes, and is a highly experienced business operator.
Speaker Change: Bruce will play a critical role in transforming customer support, implementing the restructuring plan, helping to enhance operational efficiencies, foster innovation and drive sustainable growth, all working to solidify CORE's reputation as an IoT leader.
Speaker Change: In another significant organizational change, the company has appointed Jared Deet, Executive Vice President, Connected Health.
Jared: Jared was the co-founder of BMP and Simon IoT which were acquired in February 2022 and recently led the indirect channel for core with great success.
Speaker Change: His appointment further strengthens the executive leadership team with deep IoT and telco experience and a strong track record for driving sustainable growth in the global connected health sector.
Speaker Change: On slide 6, looking at our Q2 numbers at a high level, revenue was $67.9 million, adjusted EBITDA was $11.4 million, and cash from operations was $4 million, resulting in essentially break-even free cash flow.
Speaker Change: I'll let Paul speak to the Q2 results in more detail, but before turning over the call to him, I wanted to point out that despite our flattish top-line results, the connectivity business delivered growth of 16% in the quarter along with continued TCV growth.
Speaker Change: The connectivity business is our primary focus with its more stable and profitable revenue.
Speaker Change: This is where we are seeing real strength in the business and where we intend to focus our investment.
Paul: Slide 7 presents a snapshot of our global sales pipeline as of June 30, 2024.
Paul: As we previously mentioned, we have decided to reduce our focus on low-profit hardware revenue. While this decision reduces the total size of the funnel, as has the relatively large number of deals that were closed in the first half, it's important to note that the quality of our pipelines continue to improve.
Paul: Our sales pipeline includes more than 1,100 opportunities with an estimated potential TCV of approximately $437 million.
Paul: In the second quarter, we generated an incremental $44 million of TCV1, up $12 million from $32 million in the same period last year.
Paul: For the first six months of 2024, we have added a total of $96 million in TCV versus $60 million in the same period a year ago.
Paul: As a reminder, the majority of sold TCV is recognized as revenue over four years, and it is important to note that the closed TCV figure is aggregated across all our services, which recognize revenue on different schedules.
Paul: As mentioned, we believe that the continued growth in TCV is compelling and indicative of the longer-term potential of the connectivity business in particular.
Paul: As we did on our last earnings call, slide 8 highlights some key customer wins from the second quarter.
Speaker Change: First I'd like to start with a win that opens a new market for an AI driven use case. This customer provides an AI driven analytic software platform focused on asset management across the construction, energy, marine, and logistics industries.
Speaker Change: This client leverages CORE's best-in-class SuperSIM to help their customers manage cost, improve utilization, and deliver better safety and sustainability by enabling them to track emissions, monitor fuel usage, and benchmark equipment.
Speaker Change: This deal represents $3.6 million in estimated TCV.
Speaker Change: Secondly, we are highlighting an enterprise win with one of the world's largest food and beverage companies.
Speaker Change: CORE will be providing global IOT connectivity to support their next generation solutions that provide tailored digital content to their consumers.
Speaker Change: CORE has already begun the rollout for multiple products as the customer seeks to consolidate their global IoT business. The estimated TCV of this win is approximately 1.1 million.
Speaker Change: Third is an exciting win for a cloud-based worker safety platform. This client chose our SuperSIM to support rollouts of their personal emergency response system across Latin America and Europe.
Speaker Change: The platform will be supporting their customers in a wide range of industries, including hotels, golf courses, and other large venues.
Speaker Change: This is another example of how our solutions are used to improve safety for our clients and their customers and will deliver an estimated TCV of 4 million.
Speaker Change: And finally, I want to mention a win that highlights our full lifecycle management capabilities with a leading North American manufacturer of outdoor lifestyle products such as RVs.
Speaker Change: Core solution includes connectivity, hardware, managed services, and advanced hardware support that will enable in-vehicle diagnostics and proactive maintenance that will drive revenue growth for this manufacturer. We expect this wind to deliver $3.4 million in TCV.
Speaker Change: CORE continues to demonstrate its market leadership in IoT connectivity solutions as evidenced by these recent wins.
Speaker Change: Our ability to deliver tailored, end-to-end IoT solutions across diverse industries is driving growth in our connectivity business and solidifying our position as a trusted partner.
Speaker Change: I would now like to address our guidance for 2024 on slide 9.
Speaker Change: The positive momentum from our sales wins bodes well for the medium and longer-term future of the business.
Speaker Change: However, largely based on the timing of a key customer implementation slipping into early 2025, increasingly cost-conscious customer behavior, and slower purchasing cycles, we are electing to revise our 2024 financial guidance downwards.
Speaker Change: Regarding the customer implementation I'd like to reiterate that this is largely a timing issue and doesn't reflect an anticipated loss of business.
Speaker Change: On this basis, we are lowering our full year revenue guidance to $275 to $285 million from $300 to $305 million previously. And now expect adjusted EBITDA to come in at between $54 and $56 million versus $64 to $66 million for 2024.
Speaker Change: Going forward, we fully expect that the changes we are making under our restructuring plan, including both the associated savings and the reinvestment in the business, will contribute meaningfully to improved financial performance in 2025 and beyond.
Speaker Change: and provide the solid foundation from which to drive profitable growth over the longer term.
Speaker Change: With that, I'm now going to turn over the call to Paul to review our Q2 and year-to-date performance in greater detail. Paul. Thanks, Ron. And good morning, everyone. Now let's look at our second quarter financial results on slide 10.
Paul: Second quarter revenue of $67.9 million, decreased 2% year-over-year.
Paul: Breaking that down by business lines, IoT connectivity revenue of $55.8 million, primarily driven by the Twilio IT acquisition, increased 16% year-over-year and represented 82% of second quarter revenue, up from 69% in the prior year.
Paul: Organically, IoT connectivity grew approximately 2% year-over-year, largely as a result of net new activations from existing customers.
Paul: IoT solutions declined 43% year-over-year to $12.1 million, or 18% of second quarter revenue.
Paul: The decline year-over-year was due to various connected health customers and the timing of their new clinical trials, as well as we previously disclosed the decision to turn away low-profit hardware deals to help improve working capital.
Paul: Total revenue minus total cost of revenue as a percentage excluding depreciation and amortization in Q2 2024 was 56.9 percent, an increase of 250 basis points compared to the second quarter of 2023.
Paul: by business line.
Paul: Total IOT connectivity revenue minus total cost of IOT connectivity as a percentage.
Paul: excluding depreciation and amortization.
Paul: was down 430 basis points year-over-year.
Paul: to 60.9%, reflecting a full-quarter inclusion of a lower profitable Twilio IoT connectivity revenue.
Paul: However, total connectivity revenue minus total cost of IoT connectivity as a percentage
Paul: Excluding depreciation and amortization is flat sequentially from 60.9% in the first quarter of 2024 and is forecast to remain stable in the 60-61% range for the rest of fiscal year 2024.
Paul: Total IoT solutions revenue minus total cost of IoT solutions as a percentage excluding depreciation and amortization was up 860 basis points year-over-year to 38.5%.
Paul: The increase in this percentage is mainly due to less hardware revenue at a low profit.
Paul: Total IoT solutions revenue minus total cost of IoT solutions as a percentage is more difficult to predict on a quarterly basis due to the uneven nature and fluctuations in the revenue, the mix of hardware, but are continued to be forecasted in the mid to high 30% range for the rest of 2024.
Paul: Total connections at the end of the second quarter were $18.6 million, an increase of $100,000 year-over-year. The limited growth in total connections year-over-year was due to the previously communicated deactivations of a low R-proof connections from a single CS customer in Europe.
Paul: The decline in total connections from this one customer alone was approximately 1 million connections compared to the prior year.
Paul: Average revenue per user, or ARPU, for the second quarter was $1 per month compared to 98 cents in Q2 2023. The increase in ARPU year-over-year was driven by higher data consumption from higher bandwidth use cases and the expected loss of the CS customer in Europe just described.
Paul: Dollar-based net expansion rate, or DBNER, for the 12 months ended June 30, 2024 was 92% compared with 99% in the prior year.
Speaker Change: As a reminder, DB&ER is similar to same-store sales as it measures the growth of existing customers in the trailing 12 months compared to the same customer cohort in the year-ago period.
Speaker Change: This means that IoT Connectivity customers gained from the Twilio IoT acquisition in June 2023 are excluded from the calculation. Next quarter, this cohort of customers will be included.
Speaker Change: Our current DB&R calculation continues to be impacted by declines in the revenue from some of our IoT solutions customers.
Speaker Change: For example, DBNER for the IoT connectivity revenue customers only was approximately 107% this quarter compared to approximately 106% in the same period last year.
Speaker Change: Turning to slide 11, operating expenses including depreciation and amortization, and a $45.4 million non-cash goodwill impairment charge.
Speaker Change: were $95.8 million in the second quarter, an increase of $48.4 million or 102% compared to Q2 2023.
Speaker Change: In addition to the non-cast goodwill impairment charge, the increase is mainly attributable to higher headcount-related costs from the Twilio IoT acquisition in June 2023.
Speaker Change: Second quarter interest expenses, including amortization of deferred financing fees, increased year-over-year to $13 million versus $10.3 million in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: This increase is due to the higher borrowing costs on our refinanced debt and preferred stocks placement completed in Q4 2023.
Speaker Change: Net loss in the second quarter was $64.3 million compared to $19.5 million in the prior year. The increase in our net loss of $44.8 million year-over-year is attributable to the non-cash goodwill impairment charge of $45.4 million.
Speaker Change: Adjusted EBIT in the second quarter was $11.4 million, a decrease of $2.8 million, or approximately 20% compared to the prior year. Our adjusted EBIT of margin in the current quarter was 16.8%, down 370 basis points compared to the same period in the prior year.
Speaker Change: The adjusted EBITDA margin decline is from the increase in headcount-related expenses year-over-year, including annual merit increases at the beginning of Q2.
Speaker Change: This, combined with the decline in overall revenue year-over-year, led to the decline in adjusted EBITDA margin and the need for the restructuring plan announced earlier this morning and in our quarterly filing.
Speaker Change: This very difficult decision was a necessary one and will help bring our cost structure where it needs to be and get adjusted EBITDA margin back above 20% for the rest of fiscal year 2024.
Speaker Change: Finally, moving to cash flow.
Speaker Change: Cash provided by operations for the three months ended June 30, 2024 was approximately $4 million, up from $0.6 million used by operations in the prior year period.
Speaker Change: Free cash flow, measured as cash provided by operations, less cash used in investing activities, also improved the year-over-year from negative $6 million in Q2 2023 to essentially break-even in Q2 2024.
Speaker Change: This significant improvement was driven by less interest expense paid due to the pick feature on the preferred shares and continued focus on cash management.
Speaker Change: Management will continue to be laser-focused on cash in the next couple of quarters, especially with the expected one-time cash payments for severance-related costs. These costs will put pressure on cash in the current quarter, but are expected to be recovered through the estimated cash savings throughout the remainder of 2024.
Speaker Change: As of June 30, 2024, cash and cash equivalents were $22.3 million compared to $23.5 million as of June 30, 2023, and $27.1 million as of December 31, 2023. And with that, I'll pass it back to you, Ron.
Ron Totton: Thank you, Paul. Before opening the call to questions, I just want to summarize our key talking points for today. Although Q2 didn't fully meet our expectations, we continue to see strength
Ron Totton: in our operations including solid TCB and revenue growth in the connectivity business and an IoT market that remains very large with plenty of room for growth over both the near and longer term.
Ron Totton: After a thorough period of review, we are acting quickly and decisively to streamline our cost base and we are focusing on existing resources and reinvestment on targeted areas of the business that have the greatest potential for long-term profitable growth.
Ron Totton: While we expect to see a meaningful impact from the restructuring in 2024, we expect a more fulsome contribution in 2025.
Ron Totton: We are happy to revisit any of these key points during our Q&A, but before turning over the call to the operator, I'd like to say I am deeply grateful to the Board for entrusting me with the role of President and CEO and Board Member.
Ron Totton: I'm passionate about CORE's potential and believe we are well positioned to capitalize on opportunities ahead. Our team's hard work and commitment are the foundation of our success. The steps we've outlined today will accelerate our journey.
Ron Totton: Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.
Speaker Change: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to be placed in the question queue, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker Change: Our first question is coming from Lance Vitanza from Cal, and your line is now live.
Lance Vitanza: Thanks guys for taking the questions.
Lance Vitanza: You know, you're laying off 25% of the workforce, and I'm sorry that it's come to this. These types of restructurings are never easy nor fun. And I guess the temptation...
Speaker Change: is sometimes to simply layer in the 20 to 22 million of incremental savings onto the prior revenue forecast and just sort of increase projected EBITDA accordingly, but of course it's never that simple. Can you hit those prior revenue projections with such a smaller staff, or do you necessarily need to now create a new lower revenue forecast as a result of the layoffs?
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks for the thanks for the question. I mean, again, the
Speaker Change: The actions we're taking aren't easy, and I appreciate you acknowledging that. From our perspective, you know, we see great opportunities ahead, particularly in the connectivity business.
Speaker Change: The solutions business, as Paul highlighted, has been cyclical.
Speaker Change: but we see great opportunities in terms of the connectivity business, the TCV growth, and we believe this restructuring will actually help us focus
Speaker Change: And, you know, I'm quite confident in terms of our revenue growth and obviously the focus around profitable revenue growth.
Speaker Change: In terms of, you know, forward making statements around prior revenue estimates, I think I'll leave that up to Paul, but, you know, I'd close in saying that we actually believe this restructuring will actually facilitate us to drive more improved growth going ahead.
Paul: We're not giving any guidance on 2025 or anything yet, but to your first point on
Paul: taking the whole cash savings of 2022 to the bottom line that obviously that's
Speaker Change: Not the case
Paul: the majority, but a percentage amount of it will be a little bit less as we have less capitalization and so forth but as we mentioned we're also going to use some of that savings to reinvest in the more profitable types of business that will help with leading that revenue growth.
Speaker Change: And then if I could for just on the follow-up and I recognize that it's too early for guidance but when when we think about 2025 should we be thinking about this more as a year of stabilization and you know with perhaps the first half of 2025 kind of down on a on a year-over-year or maybe even sequential basis versus you know improvement in the second half of 2025 or you know or what would you how would you characterize your thinking around 2025 at this stage?
Speaker Change: Yes, so I would say from a connectivity business...
Speaker Change: Thanks. Thanks.
Speaker Change: That's pretty stable and growing at the single-digit marks and we don't see that changing. The lumpiness that will happen is in IoT solutions, and we mentioned this.
Speaker Change: Delay of this one
Speaker Change: that's going to likely start in Q1, Q2 of 2025.
Speaker Change: So, I don't want to say that that's going to be lower than the second half because of the timing of this one project that's been delayed. So, that will determine, again, the lumpiness of our revenue in 2025.
Speaker Change: Okay, thanks. I'll get back into the queue. I've got some more questions, but I'll pass the baton. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Next question is coming from Scott Searle from Roath Capital Partners. Your line is now live.
Scott Searle: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions and Ron, congratulations on the formal appointment.
Scott Searle: Hey, maybe just a couple of quick clarifications.
Paul Holtz: Paul Holtz
Scott Searle: You gave the services growth figure, I think your review was about 16%, but that included Twilio. I'm wondering if you could calibrate us in terms of what the organic growth looked like in the second quarter. And then in the immediate outlook into the third and fourth quarter, it seems like the connectivity side continues to build. I'm wondering if we're expecting some modest sequential increases.
Speaker Change: and kind of...
Speaker Change: Rolling that into 25 then, Ron, I know this is, I guess, a little bit of a follow-up on Lance's question.
Speaker Change: But if you're adding TCV at a good clip, which you are year-to-date, it would seem to indicate that on the connectivity side, we continue to see decent growth into 2025. I wonder if you could give some early thoughts on how that's going to translate into connectivity sales in 2025.
Speaker Change: Yeah, sure. I'll try to take that first and then pass it over to Paul. Yeah, I think your question is a good one.
Paul Holtz: I wouldn't describe 2025 as a stabilization year. I see it as a growth year. I look at the TCV
Paul Holtz: The types of wins, a few changes we can make in terms of converting the revenue faster where it's obviously in our control or structuring the agreement slightly differently. I see growth potential in the connectivity business in 2025.
Paul Holtz: I wouldn't characterize it as a stabilization year. So, when you look at the TCB growth first half of the year at 96 versus the 60 prior year, we have a healthy business and connectivity and with this restructuring, we're gonna focus even more on it.
Paul Holtz: Scott, we did mention in the script and in the press release, it was 2% organic.
Paul Holtz: for Q2, year-over-year, from a...
Scott Searle: From a sequential, we didn't mention, but the connectivity revenue was down a little bit because of some one-time stuff in Q1 on overages and so forth, but going forward for Q3, Q4, we do expect growth on the connectivity side and then solutions to be pretty flattish, but again, could be lumpy based on timing and shipments.
Scott Searle: Great, very helpful. And if I could, from I guess another higher level question, Ron, I'm sure you've been racking up the miles in terms of customer world tour.
Speaker Change: And, you know, synthesizing some of that feedback.
Speaker Change: Where is the company's real strength? Why are you winning in terms of features and otherwise versus the competitive landscape? Who are you losing to? I'm kind of curious in terms of the early run here. And then you've referenced analytics and AI. Those are expensive areas of investment. It sounds like you're gonna continue to invest in those areas, but how does that play in and how do you manage the cost into those types of investments?
Speaker Change: Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: A lot in there, I'll try to answer that and give you a follow up if you need me.
Speaker Change: In terms of, you know, the feedback I would have is I've spent the time out on the road with customers has been, you know, our customers are on balance, are very happy, you know, they continue to talk about the quality of service.
Speaker Change: They like the expertise that we have with our teams that help them make decisions around hardware or as they move into new countries and even in some cases navigating, you know, that growth in a new country. So the feedback on balance is very strong from our existing customers.
Speaker Change: Of course, I think what you see in our announcements and some of my comments, you know, I believe we have room for improvement in customer support. And so I think from my perspective, I think we can do better for the customers than we're doing today. But on balance, you know, they're very, you know, I would say very happy, it was a real bright spot, you know, over the over the first 90 days of the time that I've spent out. In terms of where we're winning, to me, it's the use cases seem to be, you know, multi-country
Speaker Change: Certainly, you know, this multi, multi, multi proposition definitely resonates in the field, right? So in terms of
Speaker Change: customers that are that are multi-country certainly there's a lot of customers that have been looking at backup you know liking our ability to provide multiple carrier solutions
Speaker Change: as a differentiation point. I think the full managed services, I would say at least in a few of the deals that I commented on earlier, the connected RV company particularly, where we're winning that deal due to our full service capability. So we're not just providing them the SIM technology, but we're actually providing them device management. We're providing them obviously the logistic support.
Speaker Change: but also some analytics as well. So I would say that those would probably be my initial comments as it relates to the first two parts of your question. In terms of investing, I guess what I would say is that use case was really the company being an AI company.
Speaker Change: And in terms of the investments, you know, to me, I think the investments that we want to make really are around the connectivity business.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: A very helpful run, if I could maybe just add on.
Speaker Change: You know, in terms of your customer conversations, I think product or hardware always seems like it's historically been a necessary evil. Certainly this quarter was nice to see the improvement in the gross margins, but if we're having this conversation two to three years from now, are you guys necessarily in the hardware and product business?
Speaker Change: Yeah, it's a good question. You know, looking two years out, sitting where I sit today, I feel a bit hesitant to answer the question. What I would say is we want to deliver what the customers need. And there are several customers that, you know,
Speaker Change: highlight to me the full-service nature of our offering is really important to them.
Speaker Change: You know, that being said, you know, we are we, you know, we're looking at ways to address some of the challenges that this, this part of the business provides for us, you know, so for example, in Europe, you know, we're very close to signing.
Speaker Change: a deal where we'll have a partner, an actual logistics partner in that particular case.
Speaker Change: and we're also looking at others in the connected health in terms of relationships where we can leverage others' expertise in this area. But, you know, to me, one of the real growth areas is also, you know, device management and, you know, the strength that we have.
Speaker Change: with our people on helping them navigate, you know, changes and just navigating, you know, upgrades and the like with the devices in the field. So, the partnerships, I would say, are more towards the physical logistics more so than, you know, device management or those types of capabilities.
Speaker Change: Very helpful. Thanks so much. I'll get back in the queue.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Next question today is coming from Mita Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Marion for MetaMartial. I had a question on like the cost-conscious behavior that you're seeing from customers. Are you seeing healthy RFP activity and just more cautiousness around ramping of deals or is the cautiousness extending to RFP activity as well? Thanks.
Speaker Change: I would say it's two-fold. When we say in our business, cost cuts...
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Speaker Change: and other customers. They are looking at their base and making sure devices that aren't passing traffic are being shut off or put into suspension mode and so forth. So they are looking a lot closer at their base and optimizing their costs.
Speaker Change: So, when they optimize, then obviously that takes a hit on our top line. And then when it comes to deployments and so forth, we are seeing still some customers have some supply chain issues and so forth, but there is a slower ramp up in certain customers, so it's both.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Matt Niekum from Georgia Bank. Your line is now live.
Michael Allen: Hey, this is Michael Allen on for Matt. Thanks for taking the question. I just kind of wanted to dig in a little more on ARPU. So you talked about it grew year over year, but it's still a pretty meaningful decline sequentially. I was just wondering if you could just give a little more on to what drove that.
Speaker Change: Yeah, so...
Speaker Change: In Q1, as I said, there was a couple one-time big overage...
Speaker Change: that we had for a particular customer. So when you do a calculation within a particular quarter, you'll get that bump. So we were at the 105, 106 number. That normalized back into Q2. And we don't forecast for these big blips or anything like that going forward, but we do expect it to remain stable here at the dollar or even higher ranges. A lot of our new business continues to be higher bandwidth.
Speaker Change: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Next question is coming from Mike Wopenor from Northland Capital. Your line is now live.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Aditya on behalf of Mike Latimore. Could you please tell me what is your main debt covenants for this year?
Speaker Change: We have the two main debt covenants, our first lien covenant and a total debt covenant. Those are the two main ones we have and no issues on those for this year.
Speaker Change: Alright, and also could you give some color on the free cash flow, do you still target being free cash flow positive exiting this year?
Speaker Change: Yeah, so now with the restructuring plan, depending on the timing of severance costs and so forth, exiting 2024, we do expect to be positive.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
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Speaker Change: Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you everyone for joining today's earnings call. We look forward to updating you on our progress against our restructuring plan with our third quarter results in November. Have a good day.
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