Q1 2025 Automatic Data Processing Inc Earnings Call
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Danyal Hussain, Maria Black, Don McGuire,
Michelle: Good morning, my name is Michelle and I'll be your conference operator. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to ABP's first quarter of 2025 earnings call. I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded. After the prepare of your marks we will conduct a question-nature session and instructions will be given at that time. I will now turn the conference over to Matt Keating by President Invest Relations. Please go ahead.
Matt Keating: Thank you, Michelle and welcome everyone to ADP's first quarter fiscal 2025 earnings call. Producing today on Maria Black, our president and CEO and Dom McGuire, our CFO.
Matt Keating: Earlier this morning, released our results for the quarter. Our earnings materials are available on the SEC's website and our investor relations website at investors.adinvestors.adp.com, where you'll also find the investor presentation that accompanies today's call.
Matt Keating: During our call, we will reference non-gaps and answer measures which we believe to be useful to investors and that exclude the impact of certain items. A description of these items, along with a reconciliation of non-gap measures to their most comparable gap measures, can be found in our earnings release.
Matt Keating: Today's call will also contain forward-looking statements that refer to future events and involves some risk. We encourage you to review our findings with the SEC for additional information on the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations.
Speaker Change: I'll now turn it over to Maria.
Maria Black: Thank you Matt and thank you everyone for joining us.
Maria Black: This morning, we reported strong first quarter results that included 7% revenue growth, 130 basis points of adjusted the EVET margin expansion and 12% adjusted EPS growth.
Maria Black: I'm excited to share the considerable progress we made across our three strategic priorities in the quarter. But let me first begin with some additional financial highlights.
Maria Black: We had a solid start to the year from an employer services new business bookings perspective with record volume for a first quarter. This performance was broad based as our small business portfolio benefited from our continued strength in retirement services.
Maria Black: Our mid-market and HR outsourcing businesses also showed good growth, and our international business maintained its strong momentum from last year. Overall, HCM demand remained steady, and our new business pipelines were healthy at the end of the quarter.
Maria Black: Our Q1 employer services retention rate exceeded our expectations and only declined slightly.
Maria Black: Our overall client satisfaction score reached a new all-time high for a first quarter driven by improvements in our mid-market, enterprise, and HR outsourcing businesses.
Maria Black: Moving forward, we expect our record client satisfaction levels to continue to support our strong retention results.
Maria Black: Employer services pays-per-control increased 2% for the first quarter as our clients continue to hire employees at a moderate pace.
Maria Black: Finally, PEO revenue growth of 7% and average worksite employee growth of 3% for the first quarter exceeded our expectations as strong PEO new business bookings growth more than offset the impact of modest further deceleration in PEO pays-per-control growth.
Maria Black: We are very proud of our strong first quarter financial results and equally excited by the significant progress made across our strategic business priorities.
Maria Black: As the needs of today's global workforce continues to shift, employers require dynamic workforce management solutions that will help them maintain compliance and flexibility while engaging their employees.
Maria Black: We continuously aim to offer solutions that will solve our clients' complex business challenges. As part of this approach, we recently acquired Workforce Software, a leading workforce management solutions provider that specializes in supporting large global enterprises.
Maria Black: This acquisition expands our current array of time and attendance, absent management, and scheduling tools, and strengthens our ability to win in a highly attractive market.
Maria Black: Workforce software is a leader in serving large complex organizations and their robust solutions can adapt to the dynamic needs of today's employers by offering tools that create resiliency, help drive optimal performance, and make managing a global workforce easy.
Maria Black: We are thrilled to bring together these capabilities, as well as their trusted global support organization to broaden our suite of workforce management solutions.
Maria Black: Based in Michigan, Workforce Software serves over a thousand clients in more than a hundred countries, including many well-known global brands.
Speaker Change: I'd like to officially welcome the members of the Workforce Software Team to ADP. Together, we will continue to drive the future of workforce management innovation, and we are looking forward to all the great things we will accomplish.
Speaker Change: Additionally, in September, we introduced ADP Lyric, our flexible, intelligent, and human-centric global HCM platform.
Speaker Change: Lyric is the new name for our next-gen HCM offering, which is designed to meet the evolving needs of the modern workforce.
Speaker Change: This is a differentiated offering combining global HR, global payroll, and global service to adapt to unique structures and workflows and to offer employers a human-centric approach to managing their people.
Speaker Change: Thanks to its integrated generative AI technology and the power of ADP's unmatched data set, Lyric provides insights and intelligence like predictive analytics and anomaly detection to provide clients with personalized recommendations.
Speaker Change: Lyric is a global platform. It can support payroll in over 75 countries today and we are focused on expanding its international reach moving forward.
Speaker Change: Following its successful launch at this year's HR Tech Conference, we are seeing very strong interest in Lyric and we look forward to sharing our future progress with you.
Speaker Change: The acquisition of Workforce Software and the introduction of Lyric position us to provide our enterprise clients with a unique global HR, payroll, time, and service solution.
Speaker Change: We continue to invest in generative AI capabilities to enhance the experience of our clients and empower our associates.
Speaker Change: During the first quarter, we expanded access to our robust, generative AI-based service tools, which are designed to bring speed to our service interactions and improve the client experience.
Speaker Change: These tools seamlessly integrate productivity-enhancing technologies like call summarization, virtual knowledge assist, and guided workflows for our associates so they can best support our clients.
Speaker Change: We expanded the use of these tools to our associates, supporting our small business clients in the first quarter. Early feedback is impressive and we look forward to continuing along this journey to drive productivity gains and even higher client satisfaction.
Speaker Change: We're also excited to share that we recently launched Intelligent Workflow Automation Technology in WorkforceNow.
Speaker Change: These dynamic workflows deliver a personalized and satisfying employee experience at pivotal moments in an employee's career, like onboarding, while at the same time dramatically reducing manual work for HR practitioners.
Speaker Change: This functionality enhances the experience of mid-market clients and their employees on our Workforce Now platform and we look forward to adding similar capabilities to our other HCM platforms over time.
Speaker Change: These meaningful steps collectively demonstrate our continued focus on our three strategic priorities, which are to lead with best-in-class HCM technology, provide unmatched expertise and outsourcing, and benefit our clients with our global scale.
Speaker Change: We remain confident in our ability to advance our strategic goals, drive our competitive differentiation, and deliver strong financial results.
Speaker Change: And with that, I'd like to take a moment to recognize our associates whose efforts and outstanding performance are positioning us to consistently deliver for our clients and our shareholders. Thank you all. And now I'll turn it over to Don.
Don McGuire: Thank you, Maria, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide some more color on our results for the first quarter and then update our fiscal 2025 outlook, which now includes our workforce software acquisition and our recent debt issuance.
Don McGuire: Let me begin with our Employer Services results and outlook. ES segment revenue increased 7% on both a reported basis and organic constant currency basis, coming in ahead of our expectations.
Don McGuire: As Maria shared, E.S. new business bookings were solid to start the year. With a stable demand backdrop and healthy pipelines, we are maintaining our four to seven percent full year growth guidance.
Don McGuire: ES retention declined slightly in Q1 versus the prior year, but still came in modestly better than anticipated. We are continuing to forecast a 10 to 30 basis point decline in full year retention based on an expected increase in small business losses due to higher out-of-business rates.
Don McGuire: ES pace per control growth of 2% met our expectation for the quarter, and we continue to forecast 1 to 2% growth for the full year.
Don McGuire: Client funds interest revenue increased a bit more than we anticipated in Q1, helped by stronger average client funds balance growth. While the yield curve has broadly declined since our last update, this impact is partially offset by our stronger client funds balance growth.
Don McGuire: For the full year, we are reducing our Client Funds Interest Revenue forecast by $10 million.
Don McGuire: However, we are maintaining our net impact from client funds extended investment strategy forecast as lower reinvestment rates are almost entirely offset by lower average borrowing costs.
Don McGuire: Based on our Q1 ES revenue growth performance and the expected contribution from the workforce software acquisition, we are increasing our fiscal 2025 ES revenue growth range to 6 to 7%.
Don McGuire: Our ES margin increased 260 basis points in Q1, driven by both operating leverage and continued client funds interest revenue growth.
Don McGuire: On a full year basis, we are adjusting our ES Margin Outlook to incorporate the expected impact of the acquisition and now forecast an increase of 40 to 60 basis points for fiscal 25.
Don McGuire: Moving on to the PEO.
Don McGuire: Revenue growth of 7% and average worksite employee growth of 3% exceeded our expectations. As Maria mentioned, strong PEO new business bookings growth more than offset the impact of further modest deceleration in PEO pays per control growth.
Don McGuire: As a result, we now expect fiscal 2025 P.O. revenue growth of 5 to 6 percent and average worksite employee growth of 2 to 3 percent, which at the midpoint of the ranges are each up 50 basis points from our prior forecasts.
Don McGuire: P.O. margin decreased 80 basis points in Q1, which is less than we anticipated, due primarily to stronger revenue growth.
Don McGuire: The margin decline versus last year stemmed mainly from higher workers' compensation program costs and higher zero-margin benefits passed through revenue growth.
Don McGuire: We now expect PEO margin to be down between 70 and 90 basis points in fiscal 25, which is 20 basis points better than our prior outlook.
Don McGuire: Putting it all together, we are increasing our fiscal 2025 consolidated revenue growth forecast to 6 to 7 percent.
Don McGuire: While we anticipate future revenue synergies from the workforce software acquisition, we expect it to pressure our adjusted EBIT margin this fiscal year. We now forecast full-year adjusted EBIT margin expansion of 30 to 50 basis points.
Don McGuire: In addition, in September we enhanced our capital structure by ushering $1 billion in 10-year notes, and subsequently our corporate interest expense will increase by about $40 million for fiscal 2025.
Don McGuire: We continue to expect a full year effective tax rate of around 23 percent.
Don McGuire: After incorporating the anticipated impacts of the acquisition and our recent debt issuance, we now forecast 7 to 9% adjusted EPS growth for fiscal 2025. Thank you, and I'll now turn it back to Michelle for Q&A.
Michelle: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11. If your question hasn't been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, please press star 11 again.
Speaker Change: Our first question comes from Brian Bergen with TD Cowan. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, thanks. This is Zach Esmanoff for Bryan. First question is on employer services, just the demand and bookings backdrop. If you can just dig into the areas of strength in Q1 and kind of how it progressed through the quarter, and then we have a follow-up.
Speaker Change: Sure. Good morning, Zach. Thanks for joining us today. So demand overall, we feel good about it. We feel good about the
Speaker Change: HCM Demand. We had a great sales quarter. We have a great sales and marketing organization. It was solid and it was broad-based.
Speaker Change: I think from a demand perspective, I called out a few areas of strength, one of which is the retirement services offering in our down market.
Speaker Change: We continue to execute there against opportunity and our strategy and so excited to see them continue the the great progress
Speaker Change: certainly in the mid-market, our HR outsourcing offerings as well. And then we saw continued strength in international. I think that's a great story on the heels of the strength that we saw in international all four quarters last year. So really pleased with the
Speaker Change: The broad based result and I think the the demand remains pretty consistent. I think the down market, you know, companies are still hiring and they're buying. I think in the mid market, certainly not getting any easier. It's still very complex. We do also have those offerings beyond tech only in the mid market that extend our reach.
Speaker Change: into the HR outsourcing offerings, and you heard the the PEO result was solid as well. So, and again, you know, we're always watching what's happening in the global space, which is why we continue to be as pleased as we are with the execution on new business bookings and international.
Speaker Change: Got it. And then the follow-up on PEO retention. So it sounds like worksite employee retention came in above plan in Q1. As we think about the balance of the year, are you still anticipating an improvement in PEO worksite employee retention year-over-year growth for fiscal 25? And is it an offset, enough to offset the de-sell in Pays per Control?
Speaker Change: a strong first quarter, albeit...
Speaker Change: you know the first quarter for PEOs generally relatively light on the year so we still have to execute that and that is that is the focus we've been laser focused on accelerating PEO new business bookings.
Speaker Change: That remains to be the case. That was the biggest contributor, and that is the piece that can really overcome the deceleration in worksite employee pays per control or PEO pays per control. Retention does contribute. It contributes very modestly compared to new business bookings. That's really what we saw in fiscal 24 as well. We saw that retention was year on year up, but only contributed modestly, and that's really what we expect for 25 as well.
Speaker Change: Yeah, maybe just add some color to the, maybe just add a little bit of color to that in terms of the...
Speaker Change: They pay for control growth. We do expect to see payers for control growth lower in PO than in employer services That's what we called out at the outset of the year. You know, we're going to talk about yes, I'm sure later, but PO is definitely showing growth but slowing growth
Speaker Change: Thanks.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ashish Subhadra with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, good morning. This is David Page on for Ashish. Thanks for taking our question. I was wondering if we could double click on the workforce, software, business, maybe what's the financial profile in terms of revenue growth, the annualized revenue, and the margin profile, and then a follow-up after that. Thank you.
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Speaker Change: Yeah, so, David, maybe I'll let Don talk through the financial element, but maybe before we do that...
Speaker Change: It's prudent to just kind of comment on the strategic rationale behind the acquisition. As you can imagine, we're pretty excited to have the opportunity to speak to it today. This is a company, Workforce Software, that we've been aware of for quite some time, aware of their capabilities, aware of how they're able to support some very marquee clients. I think we talked about in the prepared remarks, they have
Speaker Change: They serve about a thousand companies around the world. These are marquee, well-known global brands. So we're really excited about the product set. We're excited about the clients, but I have to tell you too, we're pretty excited about the organization as a whole. I was out there on October 15th, a couple of weeks ago for day one. And in addition to a fantastic product and a pretty marquee set of clients, it's also an incredible team. It's a great team with great domain expertise in this space. And so we're really excited to add this deep expertise to ADP's overall workforce.
Speaker Change: Management Solutions and how we incorporate that with our organization to really drive further opportunity. So this is a growth story for us about the future and we're pretty strategically excited about it. But with that I'll let Don kind of walk you through the financial implications.
Don McGuire: David, I expect we're going to get this question later on, so maybe I'll just elaborate a little bit more on the impact of the
Don McGuire: work for Software Acquisition, so if you look at the we took up our revenue expectations, but
Don McGuire: on the ES side, out of the 1% increase.
Don McGuire: to our consolidated FY25 revenue growth outlook. About half of that is coming from workforce software and the remainder is coming from the strong results in the rest of the business. We had a good first quarter and we're certainly expecting to see strength throughout the balance of the year as well. And this is certainly more a strategic transaction for us, as Maria just went through.
Don McGuire: gives us the ability to serve complex global companies with a much broader offer now, HCM payroll service, and now time and attendance or workforce management in that marketplace.
Don McGuire: And so when we move on and look at some of the additional expenses and some of the things that are causing some drag on our EPS expectations, we only closed the transaction about two weeks ago, so we're not going to be terribly precise on this point.
Don McGuire: So we do expect some modest pressure. It's important to remember the biggest pieces though are coming from debt intangibles integration of the deal cost itself. So nothing unusual. I do want to point out that this is a
Don McGuire: It's a relatively small company with a relatively large capability. And when I say that, we're not expecting a significant amount of expense synergies from this transaction because they run themselves pretty lean and they're pretty effective.
Don McGuire: And then when you move on and you look at what we did in our, to a midpoint of our ES margin and our adjusted EBIT margin, we're down 60 and 30 points respectively.
Don McGuire: And so the question could be, is that all from Workforce Software's anticipated drag? And the answer is,
Don McGuire: Actually, more of the drag is coming from workforce software. So the other businesses are compensating somewhat for that. So we do anticipate about a half point of EBIT margin pressure as a result of the transaction in fiscal 25.
Don McGuire: So
Don McGuire: If we look at the EPS growth as well, it's expected to be a bit more than 1% of the drag. So we've outperformed in other parts of the business, so we've overcome some of that. And as I said earlier, most of the dilution is coming from integration costs.
Don McGuire: Amortization of Intangibles and the Interest Expense
Don McGuire: I think the short answer is give us a couple quarters to get things in line and we'll come back and we'll be very excited about sharing success stories and client wins over the next couple of quarters, but it's a bit early given this transaction only closed about two weeks ago.
Speaker Change: That's great. Very comprehensive. That's it for me. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open.
Mark Marcon: Thank you.
Mark Marcon: Good morning and thanks for the questions.
Mark Marcon: First of all, congratulations on the first quarter results, really strong, particularly.
Mark Marcon: Maria, you mentioned client satisfaction scores are at all-time highs.
Mark Marcon: Can you talk a little bit about some of the factors that drove that, and then I'd like to do a follow-up on workforce software.
Maria Black: Yeah, good morning Mark, excuse me, and thank you very much for the congratulations. We're pretty excited about the the quarter as well
Maria Black: To the NPS question that you had, so what I mentioned in the prepared remarks is we had an all-time high for a first quarter and we did see strength. Again, it was broad-based. I think, you know, some of the call-outs that we've been making over the last couple years, specifically as it relates to
Maria Black: The business that really has been broad-based and it's been near record levels really kind of across
Maria Black: the various businesses. I think we've talked quite a bit about the mid-market. We've talked about, you know, the last couple years we've been speaking to the mid-market. A lot of that, Mark, comes from the investments we've been making in product, the investments we've been making in some of the tools that we provide to our service organization. I mentioned some of those as we extend the reach.
Maria Black: into the product and workforce now. During the remarks, I also mentioned some of the work that we've done in SBS, specifically on the extension of generative AI tools into the SBS service organization. And again, the
Maria Black: You know, the thesis behind it and what it's proving itself to be true is the more we invest in making things easy for our clients and frictionless.
Maria Black: The greater our MPS results and it, you know, seems to be resulting in pretty favorable retention results as well
Maria Black: So, from an MPS perspective, on a year-on-year basis, just kind of round it out, we did see the mid-market enterprise and HR outsourcing businesses from a year-on-year perspective kind of have those biggest improvements. But from a broad-based perspective, I would say almost every business is at record levels.
Maria Black: and year on year it was a record for a first quarter.
Speaker Change: Got it. You know, we, um...
Speaker Change: We had a chance to demo the WalkMe.
Speaker Change: tool within Lyric and that was pretty impressive. I imagine that's going to end up.
Speaker Change: continuing the upward surge in terms of the MPS.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Wondering, with regards to workforce software, what's the integration plan? I mean, the strategic rationale seems fairly obvious.
Speaker Change: But just how long, how soon will we be able to see you, you know, fully integrate them in terms of a go-to-market?
Speaker Change: plan.
Speaker Change: When will you start doing joint sales? How much of their client base, which does include some real marquees, are already ADP clients? What are the opportunities with regards to potentially penetrating some of those that aren't? Can you talk a little bit about whether it's going to be domestic as well as international in terms of when you go to market and how quickly you can do that?
Speaker Change: Yeah, sure. By the way, I love every single one of your questions, Mark, because they're the exact same questions that we've all been asking ourselves as we
Speaker Change: the signature, if you will, as we really started comparing kind of what what we all have. And so I think it's probably too early to comment on the exact overlap of clients, things of that nature. But if you imagine, and you know full well the types of clients that ADP serves,
Speaker Change: on a global, call it enterprise perspective, and you imagine that they have some of the most formidable marquee clients, you can only imagine that there's overlap there.
Speaker Change: So what we're focused on is exactly what you're referring to, which is adding this offering into our global and enterprise
Speaker Change: call it go to market growth opportunity. We're pretty excited and you mentioned Lyric and what you saw with Walk Me with Lyric. I hope we get to the Lyric conversation today.
Speaker Change: because we're really excited about where that is on the heels of HR tech. And if you imagine marrying Lyric to the great story now of workforce software, that's an exciting opportunity for us as we extend our reach into that global MNC, call it enterprise space.
Speaker Change: So that is the intention. It is an offer. That's where it sits today I think it does add to the plethora of offerings that ADP does have across our workforce management solutions
Speaker Change: So if you imagine we have products already in that space, we also have partnerships in that space.
Speaker Change: We have products in the mid-market. We also have partnerships there, and certainly we have time and attendance offerings also in the down market.
Speaker Change: inclusive of, I think we have well over almost a hundred marketplace partners in the down market.
Speaker Change: This offering is going to be a great addition to our overall suite.
Speaker Change: specifically in that global enterprise space. And that is a growth story for us. And it's married directly to our Lyric excitement. And so that's the intent. And we're working through each and every one of the questions you asked as we speak.
Speaker Change: Great, look forward to hearing more on the progress. Thank you.
Mark Marcon: Thank you, Mark.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Wurzel with Wolf Research. Your line is open.
Scott Wurzel: Great, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the PEO segment to start and you know thought the results there were very encouraging especially on the booking side. So you know we'd love to hear just a little bit about that bookings outperformance and you know if there been any sort of change to the sales strategy to your benefits packaging and offering a little bit of a combination of both. Any color on that would be very helpful.
Speaker Change: Sure, I think it's intense focus and execution. And so I think the team has been very focused. We've been speaking about this since the strangeness in the PEO post-pandemic. We've been very focused on reaccelerating bookings. And so I think it's great execution by the team. I think the offering, the value proposition, and I've been pretty bullish about this. Well,
Speaker Change: probably since about 1997. But listen, the PEO value proposition, it continues to only gain in strength. You mentioned health offerings and things of that nature, that sits squarely in that space. If you are a
Speaker Change: company of the target market of our PEO in the industries that we target with our PEO offering here at ADP. You need the types of things that the PEO offers that's best-in-class health benefits
Speaker Change: It's a competitive workers' compensation program. It's best-in-class retirement services offerings. And so I think continuing to lean into that value proposition. And as I always say, and I said it earlier today,
Speaker Change: It's not getting any easier for those types of clients to be employers. It's only getting more complex. And so I think we're aligning our sales organization to be laser-focused on it, and I think it's a byproduct of strong execution.
Speaker Change: Got it, that's helpful. And then just as a follow-up on the workforce software acquisition, and as we sort of think about, you know, maybe incremental revenue opportunities, I mean, is there, I know it's an enterprise focused solution, is there an opportunity to maybe also bring this down to serve your mid-market customers as well?
Speaker Change: So, again, I think that's in the same bucket as Mark's question. I think that is a big piece of what we are...
Speaker Change: working through at this time. I think they have across their thousand clients, they certainly have clients in that space. I think, again, the way I sort through it, if you, again, go back to the big plethora, as I use that word to describe the varied offerings we have across each segment, downmarket, midmarket, upmarket,
Speaker Change: across each one of the global businesses, the in-country offerings. In fact, we, not too long ago, actually bought a time and attendance offering in Asia-Pac. And so we have...
Speaker Change: We have organic and we have proprietary offerings. We partner and we go, you know, to market in this giant array of offerings. And how we sort through that, I think the easiest way that I think about it is client by client. And so I think we kind of put the client at the center, making sure that we are allowing the best possible solutions for our clients. And certainly as we absorb Workforce software's offerings into our ecosystem.
Speaker Change: of Time and Attendance, we will be taking a close look at the mid-market clients and making sure that, client by client, they have the right offering at the right time.
Speaker Change: Got it, thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Samad Samana with Jeffries. Your line is open.
Samad Samana: Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions, and I'll echo the congrats on a good quarter. Don, maybe first one for you, just as I think about the size of the workforce.
Speaker Change: deal. It's one of your bigger transactions. Any signal in that that we should take, whether that's the company willing to be more inquisitive or multiples are in a...
Speaker Change: state where where ADP is maybe ramping up M&A more broadly overall, or is this a one-off as part of a strategy or kind of a broader signal? And then I have a follow-up from Maria.
Speaker Change: OK.
Speaker Change: Yes, in terms of absolute dollars, definitely one of the larger acquisitions or the largest acquisition ADP has ever done, although I think the company is a lot bigger than it was when we did some.
Speaker Change: Some of those acquisitions a number of years back. So I think it fits in squarely
Speaker Change: I don't think our M&A, or to be more precise than that, our M&A strategy hasn't changed.
Speaker Change: We look for opportunities and we've been looking for opportunities for quite some time But we need to make sure that they're additive We need to make sure they complement our offer and they don't complicate our offer Spent a lot of time over the last 10 years or so cleaning up our portfolio and making sure we get fewer Platforms do the same thing
Speaker Change: So all of this, I think, is we will continue to look at the additive to us or in good tight adjacencies, as this acquisition was, and making sure that the business model, the recurring revenue model is particularly important to us, the way we go to market. Looking at all those things is important and will continue to be important to us, so we will continue to look and if things
Speaker Change: show up that we think are going to be additive to us and we have an opportunity. We'll move again, but certainly we haven't really changed our philosophy at all on how we approach and what we're looking for in terms of M&A.
Speaker Change: Great. And then, Maria, just maybe a question on Lyric.
Speaker Change: This is something that investors have talked to us a lot about.
Speaker Change: Just thinking about how it builds on Lithion, which was a focus before, and with the rebranding, I guess the question we've gotten is, what was the evolutionary or revolutionary moment that led to the rebranding now? Is it product-market fit is finally right, and maybe there's an inflection that we're reaching? Is it about...
Speaker Change: from a go-to-market perspective, like what led to it now at this particular moment, and should we see maybe an inflection in demand going forward?
Speaker Change: I'm so glad you asked, Samad. I've been excited to...
Speaker Change: to talk about Lyric for quite some time.
Speaker Change: So just to level set, just so everyone's clear, Lyric is the new name for Next Gen HCM, and I think we were all tired of saying Next Gen HCM, I think that was part of it.
Speaker Change: But all kidding aside, listen, we couldn't be more thrilled.
Speaker Change: to bring ADP Lyric HCM into the market. Personally, I love the name. I think it's a name that evokes emotion. It speaks to the rhythm of what it looks like to be a worker in today's environment and making sure that something that, you know, perhaps was static in the past that didn't have the right type of lyrics to it, you know, ultimately comes alive with the name. And so I think it's the right name at the right time. I think to answer the why now, I think the world is ready for this next.
Speaker Change: next offer of HCM in this space. This product, it's flexible, it's intelligent, it's designed with humanity in mind, it's human-centric in its design, is how we speak about it. And that is...
Speaker Change: And so it is a unique offer in that it is married to, call it, the other strengths of ADP. It's a global HCM, global payroll, and global service.
Speaker Change: that's unique and we're pretty excited. And so I think part of it is the market is ready. I think the other part is we're ready. And so as we unveiled this, there's been tremendous demand from the clients. I think we saw on the heels of HR tech, we saw great analyst reviews. Mark just mentioned seeing some of the functionality. And so I think the buzz is out there. We see that also in the pipelines, but as you can imagine, it's still early days. So it's gonna take some time until it contributes to the overall ADP financials, but from a product perspective, it's the right product at the right time with the right name. We're pretty excited to lean into that growth story. Marriott now to the workforce software.
Speaker Change: offering that we're folding in. I think it's a great growth opportunity for ADP.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you, as always. Appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ramsey Ellisow with Barclays. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Retention continues to outperform expectations. Can you update us on the drivers here, you know, new products, technology, maybe fewer SMB bankruptcies? I'm not sure if that's still an important driver. And also, what was the retention rate in the quarter?
Speaker Change: Sure, so I think, you know, happy to talk about the drivers. I mentioned some of them earlier. Listen, all of the things that we're doing, best-in-class service.
Speaker Change: the investments we make into our product set.
Speaker Change: It is yielding a better experience. You see that directly on the MPS. MPS correlates to retention. So I'd like to think some of the results we have.
Speaker Change: are structural. I will say that, you know, from an outperformance perspective in the first quarter, we did see, while retention was down slightly or declined slightly, we did see that the SBS or the small businesses held. And so, you know, our belief in how we're looking at the outlook for the rest of the year is that while we are almost normalized back to kind of the out-of- business rates from fiscal
Speaker Change: 19, we're not all the way normalized. And so we do still expect that there could be some pullback. Part of how we've also modeled it, so many of our businesses last year specifically were at record highs on the retention. So I think we modeled, you know, kind of assuming that those
Speaker Change: Those businesses were at record highs, and we're assuming some pullback in the down market, specifically as it relates to out-of-business. Listen, we didn't see that in the first quarter. We're hoping that between the strength in small business, kind of the environment coupled with strong execution on our strategic roadmap around best-in-class products and best-in-class service will ultimately yield continued favorability. But we believe at this time that the retention guide is prudent.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Great. And a follow up for me then is on PEO margins. They came in.
Speaker Change: better than expected in the quarter, and you listed your full-year margin expectations for the segment. Could you elaborate on the main drivers there? And also, for the full year, are you anticipating any reserve releases around workers' comp? As I recall, I don't think that flowed in last year at this time, so I was curious.
Speaker Change: Yeah, so Ramsey, firstly, the P.O. margins were certainly better.
Speaker Change: really based on the stronger revenue that we had in the quarter.
Speaker Change: stronger revenue based on stronger worksite employee growth and also
Speaker Change: some help from rates, wage rates. So that was really the biggest driver.
Speaker Change: for the
Speaker Change: for the Improvement Margin in PO. We did have a small release of $4 million in the quarter, and certainly that contributed a little bit as well. But we are not anticipating to see releases
Speaker Change: for Worker's Compensation Reserves as we did in prior years, so that is not something that we've factored into our balance for the forecast. So, strong worksite employees, strong growth in wage rates.
Speaker Change: Strong growth and margin.
Speaker Change: Thank you so much.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Tianzhen Huang with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: and Danyal Hussain. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thanks, you covered a lot already here, but I just want to, hoping Marie can elaborate on the strong pipeline comment, any...
Speaker Change: surprises or change in visibility across all of your markets, any change in...
Speaker Change: decision making. I know we got a lot of questions up market around the elections. Can we see a little bit of a pause before we get back to normal, that kind of thing?
Maria Black: The answer to your question is really no change. So we exited the fourth quarter. We talked about strong pipelines. We're exiting this quarter feeling confident in strong pipelines. You know, we haven't seen any changes in buying behaviors as it relates to any of the things that are happening across the world, if you will. That's not to suggest that we're not keeping a watchful eye. I think we've spoken about
Maria Black: you know, deal cycles specifically in the up market, because as you mentioned, that's where a lot of the questions come in this space. And I think we're in that new normal. I think it looks like it used to back
Maria Black: in the pre-pandemic and so I think it's just the normal cycle. Listen, as always, every quarter has a little bit of ebb and flow as it relates to some businesses, but I think overall the strength was broad-based.
Maria Black: exiting the fourth quarter, exiting the first quarter, and the strength on the pipeline side is also broad-based. And just a reminder, pipelines look different in the down market. It's about net new appointments. It's about activities.
Maria Black: It's about, you know, those things in the mid-market and into the enterprise space. Obviously, these are year-on-year pipeline compares, and we feel solid about the pipelines.
Speaker Change: Terrific. Thanks for that. Just my quick follow-up. I know Mark and others asked about...
Speaker Change: cross-sell potential synergies with WorkForce software but it's got some really nice logos going through the site when you first announced it so is cross-sell an important consideration and decision to bring the asset in?
Speaker Change: I'd like to think it only helps them to have the scale and the brand of ADP behind them. And so in a more simple way to say it, if you think about
Speaker Change: global marquee clients going out to RFPs. You know, the exciting part is we're going to get invited to all of their parties and hopefully we get, you know, they get invited to all of our parties. And I think the strength between their product and our distribution and our scale and our brand, I think, you know, leads us to be very optimistic on the growth narrative.
Speaker Change: Yeah, no, sounds like it. Thank you, Maria.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Kupferberg with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Caroline Latta on for Jason. I just had a question on generative AI. I know you mentioned progress on rolling out some of those initiatives. Do you have any call outs on potential further investment and cadence of that over the coming year?
Speaker Change: Caroline, thanks for the question. No real... I'll start with...
Speaker Change: No real call out on further investments. We are continuing to invest modestly, as we've shared over the last few quarters, and we are continuing to see good results. Maria touched on some of those earlier. Certainly, some of the call summarization
Speaker Change: tools that have been deployed already are showing good results. We've seen good results in our sales area, setting appointments, deciding which appointments to go to, preparing for appointments, coaching.
Speaker Change: salespeople when they're in live calls, and we're continuing to see opportunities and success in our technology area, coding, and some of the co-pilot tools that are available there. So really not a lot of incremental investment, really just continuing the course.
Speaker Change: and looking to get more and more returns on the investments we've made over the coming quarters.
Speaker Change: Really helpful, thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Karthik Mehta with North Coast Research. Your line is open.
Karthik Mehta: Good morning. Maria, you talked a little bit about the SMB and out-of-business and you're anticipating maybe it hasn't completely normalized, but I'm wondering, as you look at KPIs for your customers, what you think about the health of small businesses, and if you've seen any change over the last few months?
Maria Black: Sure, good morning, Karthik. So, yeah, listen, it's pretty close to being normalized. We're almost there. In terms of the health of small businesses overall,
Maria Black: We look at a lot of indexes. We look at other organizations that serve similar type of, call it non-discretionary offerings that we serve. I think overall health of small business is strong. There are a couple of watch out items. One of the ones that we pay close attention to
Maria Black: is new business formations. And so while it's down year on year and it's down even fiscal year to date, that is a watch out item. That said, it's still elevated. So it's elevated from where it call it used to sit pre-pandemic. And so it's still arguably considered strong. So on one hand, it's strong. On the other hand, it's pulled back a tiny bit from the strength that it used to have.
Maria Black: That's just, you know, one thing, but we look at all of these things. I think the general sentiment as it relates to demand across the downmarket and as it relates to the small business side is, you know, it continues to be strong. I think we spoke quite a bit about the downmarket last year, and we continue to see
Maria Black: Yeah, good execution among small businesses and overall strength.
Speaker Change: And Don, just a follow-up, any thoughts on change of strategy for the portfolio? I know yields have been coming up a little bit.
Speaker Change: Just any other changes you might want to do for the portfolio based on kind of yield.
Don McGuire: No, Karthik, we've looked at that, and we think we've benefited significantly on our laddering that we've done over the last 20 years or so. And we did have a bit of opportunity cost, as we've shared over the last couple of years, as we've been dealing with an inverted yield curve. But that yield curve is...
Don McGuire: slowly starting to normalize.
Don McGuire: So, we should expect to see more benefit. We also called out in the prepared remarks, we are taking our...
Don McGuire: investment or client fund interest number down by 10 million, but we think the net impact, because borrowing is less expensive now at the short end, we do think that we're going to be flat to our initial guidance for the year. So we don't see any compelling reason to change the structure of our portfolio.
Speaker Change: Perfect. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Dolev with Mizuho. Your line is open. Hey guys, really good results here. Thank you. Just a quick housekeeping question. Would you be able to quantify how much of the Hebatrag is a result of the incremental amortization?
Speaker Change: Well I you know I don't want to get into too much of the too much of the sausage-making here but we did disclose the value of the deal at 1.2 billion and I think industry averages are somewhere in the neighborhood of
Speaker Change: 30% so you can go from there and look at a seven to eight year amortization period and kind of figure it out I'm sure I'm sure all of you have done that already anyway but rough numbers I think that would get you in the ballpark
Speaker Change: Okay, got it. Thank you. And just a quick follow-up. I mean, you're doing really well on the top line. Can you maybe discuss a little bit of your pricing strategies and the pricing environment for the deals? And I'm sorry if it had already been asked. I joined late. Thank you.
Speaker Change: So, pricing...
Speaker Change: Pricing, we have had 100 to 150 basis points over the last couple of years.
Speaker Change: I think as inflation moderates somewhat.
Speaker Change: We're expecting to get closer to 100 basis points this year, and that's where we're sitting. So really, no changes to pricing strategy since we spoke last time. I will make a small call-out, though, on price. It had a small impact.
Speaker Change: in our revenue for the quarter.
Speaker Change: We do have a couple of European countries where in the mid and the up market, the...
Speaker Change: Price increases are tied to various inflation indices, and those indices came in higher, so we did get a little bit of contribution from price that we weren't expecting, but not a significant amount, like literally in the 10 BIP range for the quarter, so nothing significant. But...
Speaker Change: No real change, no change for our pricing strategy. Got it. Great results again. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Pete Christensen with Citi. Your line is open.
Pete Christensen: Good morning, thanks for the question. Nice trends this quarter.
Pete Christensen: One quick one on workforce.
Pete Christensen: and a bit of housekeeping on top of that. Just curious, Maria, in terms of the, I understand the strategic rationale, totally understand. You're still working through things, but if we think about the opportunity in framing that, is it more about new logo ads?
Pete Christensen: from their customer set, or do you see Upside more of function of scaling their solutions on your existing base? Just the hypothesis there on sizing the Upside opportunity.
Maria Black: Yeah, thanks, Pete. I think the answer to your question is both, right, but I think scaling their opportunity, leveraging a lot of ADP strength, our scale, our distribution, our brand. I also look at this, you know, the workforce management space, it's a sizable, you know, total addressable market, right? So if you look at it from a TAM perspective,
Maria Black: The TAM sits in the billions. We serve a lot of that today. Some of those billions are obviously domestic. Some of those are in the international space. I also look at this as an area
Maria Black: across the world that will continue to expand. And, you know, there I'm not talking about the next quarter or perhaps even the next year. When you think about the needs of global companies over the next...
Maria Black: a decade, if you will, across ADP and what companies will look at as they try to solve for their global workforces.
Maria Black: in new ways and new places. I think this is an area that
Maria Black: is going to continue to grow in demand and
Maria Black: having an offering that can grow and expand as that
Maria Black: Demand Expands, I think, is all about the growth story of ADP, both call it in quarter this year, but also about the future of the company. So really excited to
Maria Black: more meaningfully step into this space. And I think that's what it's about, but certainly continuing their successful growth and our successful growth in this space. And in an ideal world, the execution here looks like that one plus one equals three, right? Not two, so.
Speaker Change: Sure, sure. That makes a lot of sense there. And then a quick housekeeping modeling question for Don. Just curious, plans for the assumed debt from the transaction, and if you could potentially size the interest expense impact to earnings for us. That would be helpful. Thank you.
Don McGuire: Well, I guess I point you to our release. We issued a billion dollars in notes earlier in the year at 4.75% and this transaction was 1.2 billion, so you can impute the interest there.
Don McGuire: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Okay, sorry about that. Thank you.
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Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from Kevin McVeigh with UBS. Your line is open.
Kevin Mcveigh: on the workforce acquisition.
Kevin Mcveigh: is
Kevin Mcveigh: I guess what the multiplier effect could potentially be off of the acquired revenues you scale it across.
Kevin Mcveigh: across your existing client base.
Speaker Change: Good question and certainly a question that we looked at when we're putting our business case together and making the decision to pursue this company. But as I said earlier, it's a little bit early to start drawing out the expectations here. The
Speaker Change: are able to work together. There are a lot of things you can't do until you actually have the deal signed.
Speaker Change: And I think the work teams are hard at it, trying to identify opportunities.
Speaker Change: I think there's lots of opportunity, as Maria said earlier.
Speaker Change: We have clients they don't have, they have clients we don't have, and there's a whole bunch of new logos out there that we can go pursue. And I think the great technology that came with Workforce Software, with ADP's financial strength behind it, and more certainty perhaps in a smaller company, is going to contribute to this growth here. So we're excited about it, and we think there's going to be more, but a little bit early at this point to call out the numbers. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Hey there, thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to go back to
Speaker Change: lyric for a second. I understand it's still smaller, going to take a bit to have a meaningful impact. Just wondering if there's any thought process of how long it will take before it starts to have a meaningful impact to numbers and just any data points you can give around that. I know last quarter I think there was some commentary of client count increasing 30% year over year, so just any commentary there would be great. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Zach, we're very excited about the live clients we have and they continue to increase and as Maria said, there was an awful lot of excitement coming out of
Speaker Change: HR Tech in Las Vegas, so the pipeline has increased pretty dramatically.
Speaker Change: Lots of work to do, once again it's going to take a little bit of time to move the needle.
Speaker Change: $20 billion of revenue. We're trying to move that needle a lot. It takes a lot.
Speaker Change: Once again, give a little bit of time. And as we package up these offers, the Lyric and the workforce software, along with our tax compliance and the other solutions we have, global payroll, we're expecting good things. But once again, a little bit early to share specifics.
Speaker Change: Thank you. We have time for one last question and that question comes from James Fawcett with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
James Fawcett: Thank you very much. Just had a couple of, I guess, nuanced questions. First, last quarter you had suggested that PEO pays-per-control would be lower than that of employer services. With it down-ticking this quarter, do you still believe there's growth in PEO pays-per-control this year?
Speaker Change: Yeah, so the short answer is yes, we believe there's growth in P.O. pays per control this year. There was growth in the quarter, and we expect it to be continued growth, but we do expect it to be softer than the 2% at the high end that we have for employer services. So yes, growth. Yes, slower than employer services.
Speaker Change: Okay, got it. Just want to make sure I understood that. And then following up, and sorry if I missed this, but did you quantify employer services bookings growth for the quarter
Speaker Change: specifically and sounds like you're still pretty constructive on that front but how do you think about that for the full year range?
Speaker Change #100: No, we did not. We did not quantify for the quarter, and we're still sticking to our 4-7% guidance that we established at the outset of the year.
Speaker Change #101: You know, as you know, things can get lumpy, but Maria said we had a record first quarter on bookings, new business bookings, and we're comfortable with where we landed and we're happy with the pipelines, demand's strong, so we're still thinking that four to seven percent range.
Speaker Change #102: Got it, got it. Thanks for the clarity there. And just maybe just one last question there is what are some of the swing factors that would push you towards one end of that range, either to the upside or to the lower end?
Speaker Change #103: Thank you.
Speaker Change #103: You know it's all it's all about execution. I think that demand remains strong. Demand for HCM remains strong. Demand for payroll. We don't work in a non-discretionary industry. People need what we have and what we sell. So we do think that demand is consistent and
Speaker Change #103: I can't think of any specific things other than, you know, massive macro changes, etc., which none of us are anticipating. Certainly, if we look at some of the GDP numbers, we look at the inflation numbers.
Speaker Change #103: We look at the labor numbers, they all point to pretty solid and stable demand. So, I think we're going to stick with our four to seven for the time being. Okay, great. Appreciate all that detail.
Speaker Change #104: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Maria Black for closing remarks.
Maria Black: Thanks, Michelle, and thank you everyone for for joining us. I have to say it's not every day you get to get on and talk about such a solid quarter.
Maria Black: both with respect to the overall performance of the business, but also making meaningful steps in our strategic priority agenda. So, really excited about the quarter.
Maria Black: I want to thank my team, specifically. There's a lot that comes together to execute what we just did. I want to thank my team. I want to thank, obviously, the broader ADP organization, as I did earlier. Really proud of the execution across the entire company. And then, once again, welcome to Workforce Software. Really excited to see where the future leads us. We're just getting started.
Maria Black: Thank you.
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