Q3 2024 Fastly Inc Earnings Call
Good afternoon, my name is Kameka and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Fastly 3rd Quarter, 2024 earnings conference call.
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Burnt Essi: Thank you and welcome everyone to our third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. We have Fastly CEO Todd Nightingale and CFO Ron Kisling with us today.
Burnt Essi: The webcast of this call can be accessed through our website, Fastly.com, and will be archived for one year. Also, a replay will be available by dialing 800-770-2030 and referencing conference ID number 754-3239 shortly after the conclusion of today's call.
Burnt Essi: A copy of today's earnings press release, related financial tables, and investor supplement, all of which are furnished in our 8K filing today, can be found in the Investor Relations portion of FASFA's website.
Burnt Essi: strategy, long-term growth, and overall future prospects. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or implied during the call.
Burnt Essi: for further information regarding risk factors for our business.
Burnt Essi: Please refer to our filings with the SEC, including our most recent annual report filed on Form 10-K and quarterly reports filed in Form 10-Q filed with the SEC, and our third quarter 2024 earnings release and supplement, for a discussion of the factors that could cause our results to differ.
Burnt Essi: Please refer in particular to the sections entitled Risk Factors. We encourage you to read these documents.
Burnt Essi: Also, note that the forward-looking statements on this call are based on information available to us as of today's date. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required by law.
Burnt Essi: Also during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Unless otherwise noted, all numbers we discuss today, other than revenue, will be on an adjusted non-GAAP basis.
Burnt Essi: Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in the earnings release and supplement on our investor relations website. These non-GAAP measures are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results.
Burnt Essi: Before we begin our prepared comments, please note that during the fourth quarter, we will be attending the RBC Capital Markets Global Technology, Internet, Media, and Telecommunications Conference in New York on November 19th and the UBS Global Technology and AI Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona on December 4th.
Speaker Change: Now we'll turn the call over to Todd. Todd?
Todd Nightingale: Thanks Vern, hi everyone, and thank you so much for joining us.
Burnt Essi: Today, I will cover our Q3 results and the progress we've made, especially in growing revenue outside of our largest customers and in continuing to improve the profitability of Fastly.
Burnt Essi: I will also discuss our go-to-market and technology initiatives. I will then hand the call over to Ron to discuss our third quarter financial results and our guidance in detail.
Burnt Essi: We reported third quarter revenue of $137.2 million, coming in above the high end of our guidance range due to better than expected strength in some of our larger media customers and a balanced mix of share gains outside of our top 10 customers.
Burnt Essi: We reported an operating loss of $520,000, the best result we have achieved in more than four years and materially better than the guidance range. This was the result of higher revenue and gross margins coupled with the cost benefits from a faster than projected execution of our restructuring.
Burnt Essi: I'm also excited to share with you that Fastly reported a net profit of $2.4 million and positive adjusted EBITDA of $13.3 million in the third quarter, both record levels for the company.
Burnt Essi: I'm pleased to share with you the progress we made in diversifying our revenue. This resulted in a more diverse revenue mix in the third quarter as we grew our top line seven percent year over year. In the third quarter, our top 10 customers represented 33 percent of revenue, down from 40 percent last year, and down from 34 percent quarter over quarter.
Burnt Essi: This is a good indicator of continued progress in diversifying our revenue and strengthening our business. Revenue outside of our top 10 accounts, which is key to our strategy and goals for the long-term success and growth here at Efsi, grew 20% year-over-year, significant improvement from last quarter's 13%.
Burnt Essi: Last quarter, we call this an inflection point and a moment of transition for Fastly.
Burnt Essi: While the transition doesn't happen in a single moment, we are already experiencing the benefits.
Burnt Essi: of a more focused investment in product, customer success, and go-to-market.
Burnt Essi: Specifically, we released a major expansion to our security portfolio, onboarded new sales leadership, pivoted to a more bespoke engagement model with our largest multi-vendor customers, and launched a new self-service demand-gen motion.
Burnt Essi: We are seeing early progress in our revenue diversification, customer acquisition growth, and renewed focus on our largest enterprise customers.
Burnt Essi: There is more to come. These changes will drive revenue diversification and faster, more reliable growth for Fastly.
Burnt Essi: Our customer acquisition efforts showed solid gains year-over-year in the third quarter. Our enterprise customer count was 576 compared to 547, representing a 5% growth rate year-over-year.
Burnt Essi: Quarter-over-quarter, enterprise customer count actually declined 4%. We saw more customers dip just below our $100,000 run rate enterprise definition this quarter.
Burnt Essi: We do see quarterly volatility in our enterprise customer account methodology, but we'll be tracking this very carefully and looking to drive growth in all of our mid-sized accounts.
Burnt Essi: We experienced normal churn levels with churn flat quarter over quarter, and while we saw 5% year-over-year growth rate in enterprise customer count, we aren't satisfied with this result and hope to accelerate our growth in enterprise customers in 2025.
Burnt Essi: We had 3,638 customers at the end of Q3, and a net increase of 343 quarter over quarter for a growth rate of 10%.
Burnt Essi: We believe this is the result of our new self-service sales motions, which I will discuss in a moment.
Burnt Essi: Our transition leans heavily into our technology innovation heritage, and we believe it is key to the continued success in customer acquisition and wallet share growth.
Burnt Essi: Fastly's platform is a software-driven edge network that offers best-in-class delivery, network services, security, compute, and observability. We continue to focus investment in leading technology and innovation that not only solidifies our platform, but also extends its features for the future of web application development.
Burnt Essi: The functionality we offer allows our customers to bring their applications to life around the world. We believe that our unified platform approach will significantly enhance our customer retention and create efficiencies for fastly and supporting our customers success.
Burnt Essi: Let me share with you some important developments taking place in our security offerings in particular.
Burnt Essi: We continue to experience a favorable customer response from Bot Mitigation since its release in the first quarter. Our Bot Mitigation solution, wholly developed within Fastly, attracts customers looking for simple onboarding and ease of use, opening the door for continued opportunities for cross-sell and up-sell.
Burnt Essi: Fast following on the heels of our successful launch of bot mitigation, we announced the general availability of Fastly's adaptive DDoS protection on the platform. This solution provides automatic protection from Layer 7 and other application-level DDoS attacks.
Burnt Essi: Our platform enables frictionless onboarding and implementation of this solution with just the click of a button.
Burnt Essi: We've had a long heritage of DDoS protection at Fastly, partnering with some of the largest, most sophisticated customers in the industry. We are tapping into this intellectual property and productizing it to address the entire market so that our broader customer base can benefit.
Burnt Essi: Additionally, this solution allows us to layer proprietary auto-adaptive response intelligence within the offer.
Burnt Essi: We believe this innovative DDoS release is a new enterprise customer acquisition vector for Fastly, in addition to driving customer growth and cross-sell opportunities.
Burnt Essi: Last quarter, I shared with you that we launched the beta version of our AI Accelerator, an AI proxy capable of delivering performance and cost savings to application builders leveraging large language models.
Burnt Essi: The interest and response has been very favorable from our customers and we've added LLM support beyond OpenAI to include Google Gemini as well.
Burnt Essi: We expect AI Accelerator will be generally available for purchase by the end of the year and I'm excited to make this announcement as it demonstrates the increase of innovation velocity at Fastly and I look forward to announcing more product launches before year-end.
Burnt Essi: I'll now discuss the transition taking place within our go-to-market efforts.
Burnt Essi: Since joining us in the second quarter, our new CRO Scott Lovett has taken the first steps towards driving transformation within the sales order to close more new enterprise logos.
Burnt Essi: He's particularly focused on driving wins in security with new and existing customers, and with our new security offerings and deep experience in this space, we're excited about the opportunities ahead.
Burnt Essi: Beyond sales, our go-to-market success is also the culmination of branding, messaging, and sharing our expertise with subject matter experts.
Burnt Essi: In the third quarter, we released the Fastly Threat Insights report, providing the latest attack trends across the web application and API security landscape. The report found that 91% of cyberattacks targeted multiple customers using mass scanning techniques to exploit vulnerabilities.
Burnt Essi: We also released the results of our new survey, Bot Wars, How Bad Bots Are Hurting Businesses, which revealed 59% of IT professionals reported an increase in bot attacks over the past year with significant incidents costing companies an average of $2.9 million.
Burnt Essi: These results seem closely in line with the interest we're seeing in our security portfolio and our new security authors.
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Burnt Essi: We are now in the second year of our packaging efforts, which truly demonstrates our focus on simplicity, not just in our product, but in pricing and our ease of implementation. Our new self-service model with mix-and-match packages was rolled out last quarter, kicking off our initial PLG efforts at Fastly.
Burnt Essi: These efforts have resulted in growing our overall customer count while also attracting critical developers to the Fastly platform.
Burnt Essi: In the third quarter, our packaging efforts demonstrated strong growth, and we more than doubled the number of packages sold year over year. Our new logo package has tripled and represented 43% of the packages sold in the third quarter compared to 16% a year ago.
Burnt Essi: Lastly, our channel partners rounded out our go-to-market efforts. In the third quarter, our deal registrations grew 33% year-over-year and our year-to-date bookings grew 46% year-over-year. We anticipate more opportunities to leverage our channel and drive top-line growth as we move forward.
Burnt Essi: Now, let me conclude with a discussion on our outlook as we close out the year.
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Speaker Change: Looking back one year ago, we did not foresee all the challenges we faced. In 2024, we suffered revenue declines from our largest customers and this in turn prompted us to realign our growth strategy and our investment strategy. Ultimately, we implemented a workforce reduction and overall transition that impacted every department at Fastly.
Speaker Change: I believe we are pulling through these difficult times, and we are turning a corner. The cost discipline and financial rigor on our drive towards profitability growth has never been better. We've shown signs of progress this quarter that should make the team proud, and though there's more work on the horizon, I'm pleased with the efforts across the board over these past three months.
Speaker Change: Heading into the fourth quarter, typically very seasonally strong. We do not believe we will be benefiting from as much of the typical sequential lift we've experienced in prior years. And this is reflected in our fourth quarter revenue guidance.
Speaker Change: While this could be dismissed as conservatism on our part, it is more the result of what we have shared over the past three quarters with the dynamics we are seeing taking place at some of these largest accounts.
Speaker Change: We do believe that we've moved past the worst of these impacts and have a strategy in place to keep our strong position at these very large accounts, while also focusing heavily on healthy revenue growth outside of our largest customers, driving important revenue diversification.
Speaker Change: I'm very optimistic on Fastly's prospects in 2025 and continue to believe our inherent platform advantages afford us the opportunity to capture more share of the world's web application workloads.
Speaker Change: And now, to discuss the financial details of the quarter and guidance in detail, I will turn the call over to Ron.
Ron Kisling: Thank you, Todd, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today. I'll discuss our financial results and business metrics before turning to our forward guidance. Note that unless otherwise stated, all financial results in my discussion are non-GAAP based.
Speaker Change: Revenue for the third quarter increased 7% year-over-year to $137.2 million, coming in well ahead of the midpoint of our guidance of $130 to $134 million.
Speaker Change: Network services revenue grew 5% year-over-year to $107.4 million and security revenue grew 12% year-over-year to $26.2 million.
Speaker Change: Lastly, our other segment, which represents our emerging products category, grew 85% year-over-year to 3.6 million, driven primarily by compute.
Speaker Change: In the third quarter, we saw better-than-expected strength in live sports and gaming with a balanced mix of share gains outside of our top ten customers, offsetting traffic headwinds at certain of our largest customers that we previously discussed.
Speaker Change: Our top 10 customers comprise 33% of our total revenues in the third quarter of 2024, compared to 34% in Q2 2024, reflecting the impact of the revenue declines from some of our largest customers and our strategy of targeting a more diverse customer base.
Speaker Change: Also, no customer accounted for more than 10% of revenue in the third quarter.
Speaker Change: Revenue from customers outside of our top 10 customers grew 20% year-over-year.
Speaker Change: Our continued focus on customer acquisition has resulted in revenue expansion outside of our top 10 customers, expanding our wallet share into the broader enterprise customer segment.
Speaker Change: Our trailing 12-month net retention rate was 105%, down from 110% in the prior quarter, and down from 114% in the year-ago quarter.
Speaker Change: This decline is primarily due to the revenue declines in some of our largest customers, and we anticipate this will continue to be a headwind to our LTM NRR through the remainder of 2024.
Speaker Change: At the end of the third quarter, our RPO was $235 million, up 6% from $223 million in the second quarter of 2024, and down 5% from $248 million in the third quarter of 2023.
Speaker Change: This increase is primarily due to contract renewals with our larger customers and increasing adoption of our packaging products, which are sold on a subscription or SAS basis.
Speaker Change: This was offset by other larger customers working through their remaining obligations over their contract terms.
Speaker Change: As Todd mentioned, we had 576 Enterprise customers at the end of Q3, a net decrease of 25 compared to an increase of 24 in the second quarter. On a year-over-year basis, Enterprise customer count increased 5%.
Speaker Change: Enterprise customers accounted for 92% of total revenue on an annualized basis in Q3 compared to 91% in Q2.
Speaker Change: Enterprise customer average spend was $880,000, up 9% from $804,000 in the previous quarter and up 3% from $858,000 in Q3 of last year.
Speaker Change: I will now turn to the rest of our financial results for the third quarter.
Speaker Change: Our gross margin was 57.7% compared to 58.5% in the second quarter of 2024, and up 180 basis points from 55.9% in Q3 2023.
Speaker Change: as we benefited from better utilization on our fixed costs on higher than expected revenue offset to a lesser extent by increased bandwidth and transit costs on higher traffic.
Speaker Change: Our incremental gross margin hit a record 79% on a trailing 12-month basis, compared to 73% in the third quarter of 2023, reflecting continued efforts on reducing our cost of revenue in an otherwise challenging top-line environment.
Speaker Change: Operating expenses were $79.6 million in the third quarter, better than our expectations.
Speaker Change: Lower employee costs related to the recent restructuring and a reduction in hiring accounted for a majority of the upside.
Speaker Change: This represents a 5% decrease in operating expenses compared to Q3 2023 and a decrease of 12% sequentially from the second quarter.
Speaker Change: This better-than-expected favorability in our operating expenses, combined with better-than-expected gross profit, resulted in an operating loss of $0.5 million in the third quarter, beating our operating loss guidance range of $12 to $8 million.
Speaker Change: In the third quarter, we reported a net income of $2.4 million, or income of $0.02 per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $8 million, or a loss of $0.06 per basic and diluted share in Q3 2023.
Speaker Change: Our Adjusted EBITDA was positive in the third quarter, coming in at $13.3 million compared to $0.7 million in Q3 2023. As Todd mentioned, I'm pleased to highlight that both Net Income and Adjusted EBITDA set quarterly records for Fastlink.
Speaker Change: Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $308 million in cash, cash equivalents, marketable securities, and investments, including those classified as long-term.
Speaker Change: Our free cash flow for the quarter was negative $7.1 million, an $11.4 million sequential improvement from negative $18.5 million in the second quarter.
Speaker Change: This improvement was primarily driven by an increase in our cash from operations to positive $5 million, compared to negative $4.9 million in the second quarter.
Speaker Change: Our cash capital expenditures were approximately 9% of revenue in the third quarter, coming in at the lower end of our guidance of 9-10% of revenue we shared on our Q2 call. As a reminder, our cash capital expenditures include capitalized internal use software.
Speaker Change: For 2024, we anticipate our Cash Cap Act will be approximately 9-10% of revenue.
Speaker Change: I will now discuss our outlook for the fourth quarter and full year 2024.
Speaker Change: I'd like to remind everyone again that the following statements are based on current expectations as of today and include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially and we undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements in the future except as required by law.
Speaker Change: As Todd shared in his remark, while we are seeing growth in new customer acquisition, which we believe will lead to further revenue expansion longer term.
Speaker Change: We are facing an unexpectedly challenging environment of revenue declines from some of our largest customers, continuing throughout the course of 2024 and virtually impacting our revenue growth.
Speaker Change: Our revenue guidance reflects these dynamics in our business and is based on the visibility we have today.
Speaker Change: We expect somewhat flat to modest sequential growth in Q4 revenues compared to Q3 due to lower revenue at some of our largest customers.
Speaker Change: For the fourth quarter, we expect revenue in the range of $136 to $140 million, representing flattish annual growth.
Speaker Change: Note, we do not expect to experience any one-time revenue true-ups in the fourth quarter compared to the one-time $2.8 million and $3.3 million revenue amounts we recorded in the fourth quarter of 2023 and 2022, respectively.
Speaker Change: We continue to be very disciplined in our network investment and cost of revenues, which contributed to our third quarter gross margins being approximately 70 basis points better than we initially expected.
Speaker Change: For the fourth quarter, we anticipate our gross margin will decrease approximately 150 basis points relative to the third quarter, plus or minus 50 basis points.
Speaker Change: This sequential decline in gross margin is primarily due to increased bandwidth and co-location deployment costs associated with increased traffic in international regions.
Speaker Change: We anticipate our fourth quarter operating expenses will be flat to modestly up from third quarter levels.
Speaker Change: Guidance for our fourth quarter operating results reflects the impact of the sequential decrease in gross margins and the beneficial impact of lower operating expenses.
Speaker Change: As a result, for the fourth quarter, we expect a non-GAAP operating loss of $5 to $1 million and a non-GAAP net loss of $0.02 per share to a non-GAAP net income of $0.02 per share.
Speaker Change: For calendar year 2024, we expect revenue in the range of $539 to $543 million, reflecting annual growth of 7% at the midpoint.
Speaker Change: We expect to continue to see gross margin improvement in 2024 compared to 2023 as we leverage costs on incremental yet lower revenue growth. We anticipate our 2024 gross margins will improve by approximately 70 basis points.
Speaker Change: plus or minus 50 basis points relative to 2023.
Speaker Change: As a result, we expect our non-GAAP operating loss to be in the range of $28 to $24 million.
Speaker Change: reflecting an operating margin of negative 4.8% at the midpoint, an improvement of approximately 29% in dollar terms, over 2023's operating loss margin of 7.2%.
Speaker Change: We expect our non-GAAP net loss per share to improve to $0.12 to $0.08, reflecting the improvement in our operating loss expectations, and we expect free cash flow to be in the range of negative $40 to $30 million in 2024 compared to negative $59 million in 2023.
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Speaker Change: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered and you would like to remove yourself from the queue, press star 1 again. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.
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Speaker Change: Your first question is from a line of James Fish with Piper Sandler.
James Fish: Hey guys, congrats on getting the business here to net income profitability in the quarter overall. Look, I think everybody's wondering here about the competitive environment with one of your competitors going bankrupt and Todd, you and I talked about that at our conference, but you know, what are you guys seeing in terms of that opportunity in particular, especially given though that entity had very large customers, even some overlapping customers, what programs are you putting in place to try to gain further wall of share with that SEO bankruptcy?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think it's making the market like a super interesting place right now and there's definitely potential upside here.
Speaker Change: We've seen some accounts that have in fact shifted traffic towards Fastly, and that's largely the overlapping accounts where the transition is straightforward.
Speaker Change: But largely I think of this as a significant opportunity in 2025. I think that's when we're going to see big shifts in that area in particular.
James Fish: Maybe just on a slightly wider lens, I think it also underscores
James Fish: the importance of a platform strategy here of building a very complete offering with strengths not just in network services but security.
Speaker Change: and compute and observability as well. And that's where we're seeing a lot of the momentum in our business. And I think it's gonna help us transition these customers over to a more complete offer. So for us, we've seen a little bit of that so far, but I think the majority of the upside opportunity for us is.
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Speaker Change: packaging side and security piece specifically. What's the penetration or attach rate of security to customers generally at this point, and specifically as well within your web delivery customers where that may be a little bit easier to cross sell? What's the low hanging fruit that Scott has here? Thanks guys.
Speaker Change: Yeah, it's super top of mind. We don't dispose of a particular number here, but I would tell you, I think our cross-cell penetration is still very low. I think there's a lot, a lot of opportunity. And that's exactly why we focused the security innovation. And I'm sure you see there's certainly a surge here with two big releases in the last two quarters.
Speaker Change: We focused that not just on security efficacy, but an ease of deployment, true simplicity in the platforms that customers who are existing content delivery customers can onboard best-in-class.
Speaker Change: DDoS or bot mitigation or WAF even with a click of a button and we're really targeting the product and platform innovation area here to drive this cross sell where I believe we are are far far
Speaker Change: We have far too little penetration on the on the crossfill opportunity.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Frank Laup with Raymond James.
Frank Laup: Great, thank you.
Frank Laup: It seems like the bump in the business here was a little bit more one-time in nature. You're a little cautious that it was. Can you give us an idea of what was kind of driving?
Speaker Change: that media business in the quarter and any thoughts about what possibly could be replicable. And then on the effort you've made on the restructuring, can you walk us through where you've seen success there early on? Are you tracking to the same overall cost savings or have you found some new? Is it gonna be a little bit higher or are we just capturing that a little sooner than we thought? Thanks.
Frank Laup: Sure.
Speaker Change: We saw some better-than-projected revenue in those top accounts, and I think you're right to say we're being very careful not to project.
Speaker Change: Too much from from those results into the outquarters
Speaker Change: And I think that's important. We know there's volatility there and we want to be really sure that we are projecting the correct, that we're giving you the correct revenue projection moving forward. But I think the, like,
Speaker Change: A part of the
Speaker Change: growth rate and the revenue result in Q3.
Speaker Change: that's really important is that
Speaker Change: We saw 20% year-over-year growth outside of the top 10. We're seeing momentum starting to build in this transition towards approaching the larger market, acquiring customers outside of media, and driving a more diversified, more reliable business, and therefore a more projectable and reliable growth rate moving forward on that diversified business.
Speaker Change: there's no doubt that this transition has a lot to do with that, you know, focus on diversification and focus on long-term reliable growth.
Speaker Change: As far as the cost savings.
Speaker Change: Largely, you know, we
Speaker Change: We've been pushing
Speaker Change: cost control and operational efficiency and rigor for a long time and we've had pretty consistent results in making improvements there.
Speaker Change: But our restructuring, we were able to do a little bit earlier, a little bit faster and more efficiently than we believed possible. And that drove a big chunk of the beat on the OpEx side to our projections. Ron, anything you'd like to add?
Ron Kisling: No, I think it's, you know, I think that's a good expression of the traffic. And again, we saw some favorability in the spending just based on the execution of the restructuring that, you know, basically is going to drive about a $14 million savings versus our original plan in 2024.
Speaker Change: When you mentioned getting business outside of media, can you characterize what are some of those workloads and what does that data look like that you're getting? Is it more software-based? Are these new opportunities that you think have a long growth rate, or is it just where you just happen to be finding some business?
Speaker Change: Yeah, for sure. I think, number one, it's a lot of new logo acquisition and that drives very, very healthy growth rate in a couple of years as there's a more accelerated land and expand motion, or I should say expand motion, in the first 24 months on the platform. It's definitely business.
Speaker Change: that is more diversified across the portfolio than the media business.
Speaker Change: Outside of media, there's much more spend in security, compute, observability across the board, and we're starting to see those results outside of media, which I think is ...
Speaker Change: really, really healthy for the business. It'll help us drive margins. It'll help us balance workloads across our infrastructure. And a multi-portfolio customer is
Speaker Change: stick here. They enjoy platform leverage. It makes their teams and their developers more loyal to the platform and more powerful within their own organization. So we are really excited about that.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Sanjit Singh with Morgan Stanley.
Sanjit Singh: Yeah, thank you for taking the question, nice to see getting back to a nice beat cadence.
Sanjit Singh: I guess what my overarching question, Todd, is, is there like a mix between top 10 and not top 10?
Sanjit Singh: that would
Sanjit Singh: essentially signal growth returning to the business. It sounds like the top 10 doesn't seem to be getting worse, but as I look at your Q4 guide,
Sanjit Singh: We're looking for about flat year-over-year growth, so probably more sort of your growth headwinds.
Sanjit Singh: on the come. And so is it like sort of getting that mix down to 25%, 20% because it looks like your non-top 10 customers are growing healthily in the double digits. So any thoughts there on like where those kind of two lines cross where that that sort of spits out reasonable growth.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think it's a good question, something we think about a lot. I believe that the...
Speaker Change: The growth rate at FASCI overall is going to be more and more dominated by this longer tail of customers And it's why you know I'm tracking so carefully the the non-media growth rate and in the public disclosures the non top 10 growth rate
Speaker Change: and as that as that concentration reduces
Speaker Change: then we're going to index more and more on it. I think getting to 30% is going to be a pretty significant moment in time for us, and I think that really will be a healthy place.
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Speaker Change: To be honest, I think it's only upside in diversification. We've seen so much success in diversifying our business, and we're going to keep at this, not just in diversifying our revenue across the customer base, but increasingly in 2025, you're going to see us pushing really hard on the security side of our portfolio as well.
Speaker Change: And yeah, maybe you can just follow up there on the security side. So more updates to next-generation WAF, more updates to the bot management capabilities.
Speaker Change: Where are we in sort of driving that stronger sort of security sales motion? I'm sure sort of interplays with the momentum you're seeing with partners But what is sort of your outlook for security growth? You know over the next couple of quarters
Speaker Change: Yeah, it's certainly top of mind, not just for myself, but for Scott, our new CRO. It comes from a security background, and as we look to the restructuring,
Speaker Change: that we just did, and really the path forward, especially as we start 2025, we are deeply focused on sort of pairing this
Speaker Change: R&D investment.
Speaker Change: with real go-to-market focus in security. And so I really, I believe 2025 security is gonna be a very, very top of mind area, not just in the R&D side, not just in the product launch side, but across the board.
Speaker Change: I think there's a ton, a ton of upside here. We've got, and it was mentioned in the first question.
Speaker Change: We have a lot of untapped potential in the cross-sell. I'm seeing really good momentum in our security sales motion when it comes to new logo acquisition. And we have, especially with the recent product developments,
Speaker Change: We have a really amazing opportunity to use security more and more as a way to onboard new customers to the platform for the first time and start to actually land and expand those customers into delivery and network services.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Will Power with Baird.
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Will Power: There's some cross currents within that and yet it sounds like you're still spending some headwinds Seasonally in q4 and maybe there's some conservatism in there, but still some questions So I guess I'm just but it also sounded like you kind of think you got the worst behind you
Will Power: And so I'm just trying to understand what underpins the confidence around the visibility that the worst is behind you, given some of these headwinds in Q4. Maybe you can just help triangulate that for me.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I mean, I think we have now a strategy that is certainly more and more dependent on the business outside of media. And we've seen this big shift from 40% all the way down to now 33% in just a few quarters that's certainly helping us build a better projection, have more confidence in the growth rate and in the fullness of time, help us build a better and more higher and more reliable.
Will Power: the growth rate for the company. As far as the media business goes,
Will Power: We did see our higher touch customer engagement model that we put in place when we started to see these headwinds a few quarters ago. We have seen really two I think significant
Will Power: benefits here. One is we've been able to serve these customers better by demonstrating better performance than the rest of the market, more reliability, better ease of doing business, which is so important.
Will Power: And with that better customer engagement, better executive engagement, I think we have better projection for that business.
Will Power: But that business has changed a little bit. We're hoping that things like the NGO situation will help fuel that business, that part of our business back to growth. And we think we've never been in a better position, but we don't have visibility to a big return to growth in Q4. And that's what's baked into our projection.
Will Power: That being said, this higher touch customer success motion has also given us, I think, a much better.
Will Power: projection of that business. A better way to predict it and measure it and get telemetry from across the system, the business, the Internet, etc. on what's happening here. And so it's sort of better engagement and hopefully a faster return to growth for our media business.
Will Power: but also a better projection and better building of our revenue model moving forward.
Speaker Change: Okay, and then maybe just I guess one other follow-on, I mean you touched on this a bit, but nice to see that you know actually even improved growth I guess in your customers outside the top ten.
Speaker Change: Any common variables to call out there, either particular verticals you're doing well in or particular use cases that are helping drive the success there, both in terms of revenue and in terms of new customer ads, which I know the enterprise number is down, but the overall ads looked good.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think the the biggest trend I've seen, and this is a little anecdotal, but the biggest trend I've seen is certainly that
Will Power: New customers are coming to Fastly, especially outside of media, looking for a complete edge solution.
Will Power: network services and delivery, security, observability, and edge compute. And as we've filled out the last couple of pieces in our security portfolio, we're starting to see, I think, a lot more serious engagement on those new logos and finding more success and bringing them on board. So to me, the big trend I've seen here is
Speaker Change: Yeah, finishing out the security portfolio has helped us build a more complete portfolio and these new customers, that's what they're looking for
Will Power: They are looking for a complete edge solution.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Timothy Horan with Oppenheimer.
Speaker Change: Timothy, your line is open.
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Timothy: Sorry guys, I think you said large customers are working through their obligations I mean, do you have much visibility when those obligations are over? You know where you're at on relative pricing basis and
Timothy: You know, will those customers, or a timeline on that, and maybe, you know,
Timothy: What's the visibility? I know you've been answering this a bit on retaining of customers and
Timothy: Now, I guess related to this, the whole CDN space has been under, you know, a lot, a lot of pressure. You know, is it volumes are coming in lower than expected or are there, are the hyperscalers, you know, gaining share or other new entrants? Like, you know, where's the kind of, why has the revenue been so disappointing for the whole industry? And, you know, I guess with your large customers, I know you've been talking about it, but just a little bit more color on those obligations they have.
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Speaker Change: Yeah, in terms of the obligations, we have really good visibility to when the contracts come up for renewal.
Speaker Change: and particularly with our largest customers with, you know, our
Speaker Change: increased engagement at senior levels, we have much better visibility into what their pricing expectations are, what drives their decisions around fare.
Speaker Change: What I would say, as we've sort of shared in the past, is that we don't have a...
Speaker Change: concentration of renewals in any particular quarter. They generally are kind of spread out across the year. So we have renewals, you know, in each of those quarters.
Timothy: that results in a little less sort of a single impact from when we see those contracts renew, you know, at new pricing. But I think we have, you know, much better visibility in terms of, you know, what those adjustments might be at contract dates. We certainly have good visibility to when those contracts come up for renewal.
Speaker Change: Yeah, just looking at it.
Speaker Change: through the lens of the whole market, I think we are seeing
Speaker Change: We are seeing a little bit of a change here. There's been consolidation, so there's fewer players in the space, and even fewer if you look at it from really full-service edge platform players. And I think that has the opportunity to...
Timothy: make the pricing environment healthier in 2025 than we saw in 2024. And I guess I'm a little optimistic that that's exactly what we're going to see.
Speaker Change: Deska, and then just one question on the AI accelerator. Can you talk about how much you've improved latency on your platform and you know with these costs or any color around that from what you've experienced so far?
Speaker Change: Yeah, AI Accelerator basically brings the power of the Fastly platform
Timothy: to LLM style solutions and
Timothy: I think there's a video of me doing this demo, but...
Timothy: The reality there is, using a public LLM cloud, the latency on a relatively trivial question can be five or six seconds or more, and that doesn't always feel like the most human experience.
Timothy: The end
Timothy: There's no reason that every single one of those requests has to go all the way back to that central cloud.
Timothy: And we can provide fastly speed of response here and bring those request times well below a second while at the same time lowering the total cost of the solution to the development teams building that type of LLM based use case. And the most common one is like a support chat bot.
Timothy: use case.
Timothy: with very, very easy developer onboarding a single line of code. Customers can leverage the power of our semantic match, the power of the Fastly cache, and at the same time lower their total cost to deliver the solution. It's awesome. I've gotten great response.
Timothy: from customers in the beta, and I'm really excited to launch into general availability this quarter.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Jeff Van Ray with Craig Harlem.
Speaker Change: Thanks for taking the question. It's got several. Maybe on the enterprise customer account, just a little clarification. I know the non-top 10 was up 20% year-over-year. So generally...
Speaker Change: Other than the top 10, very good quarter. The overall sequential drop, can you talk about the pattern of that drop? I would have expected, given the strength of the non-top 10, that you wouldn't have that many fall below your 100k threshold in the quarter. Any other caller there you can share?
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Speaker Change: I'll tell you, I shared that concern, so I did dig into those numbers quite a bit. It did not, what I was, what I was trying to be very,
Speaker Change: sensitive to is if we saw any sort of increase in customer churn, which I did not see, or even customers on their way to churn.
Speaker Change: But we do have
Timothy: We do have a lot of customers that will swing above or below the number.
Timothy: When you look at, in the disclosures, when you look at the average dollars spent by enterprise customers and the total amount spent by all of the non-top 10 customers, I think it tells the same story. We saw...
Timothy: We saw some folks drift below that 25k per quarter threshold, and that's what showed up in the numbers.
Timothy: It's not a result that I love, to be honest, and we're going to be pushing very, very hard to make sure that we are driving growth in every single account, including those mid-sized commercial slash enterprise accounts.
Timothy: to make sure that that number is really reliably growing.
Timothy: every quarter.
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Speaker Change: That's helpful. And then, I guess, Ron, on the financials, I think the guide for FCF last quarter was minus 10 to 20. And I think, if I heard it right, you said minus 30 to 40 here. So, pretty much the message across the board was stability and sort of in line with what you thought coming into the quarter, but that one took a tick lower. Just talk about what happened there.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think, um...
Ron Kisling: In the quarter, we did see a little better cash flow from operations. We did also, as we know, if our CapEx was around 9% in the quarter.
Ron Kisling: And so a lot of those puts and takes. The other thing that we did have relative to, you know, free cash flow impact was you know, the impact of sort of the restructuring in the quarter which, you know, when we
Ron Kisling: prior to the restructuring didn't have that in our calculations but you will save more than that by the time we wrap up the year with the 14 million dollars of the OPEC savings.
Speaker Change: Okay, and maybe just last for me then, the conclusion to not count on a seasonal uptick here in Q4. Can you just talk about anecdotally or quantitatively just how you came to that conclusion? Just curious what evidence built you to assume that other than I know you guys just want to keep the expectations down and conservatism, but any color there would be great.
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Speaker Change: Yeah, I mean, I think a couple of things. I think if we go into Q4, you know, we did see, you know, some increased strength in our, you know, largest customers, you know, across gaming and some live sports. I think if we go into Q4, you know, some of those largest customers, we're going to see somewhat lower revenue.
Speaker Change: We also see an absence of some of the true ups that we saw in the last couple of years that contributed to that seasonal uptick in the fourth quarter. And so when we bring those two together on top of the higher revenue we saw in Q3, we end up with relatively flattish Q3 to Q4 revenue outlook.
Speaker Change: And note that those true-ups impact not only revenue but also gross margin, Jeff.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from a line of Rishi Durluria with RBC Capital Markets.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Chris Downing from Rishi Jalaria. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could give us an update on the efforts to diversify revenue within the top 10 customer cohort, but from the standpoint of mix-shift and selling more security and other services into those customers, so that way you aren't as reliant on the delivery business. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Um, you know, it's top of mind. And as we look at how we are, you know,
Ron Kisling: Approaching those top 10 customers in a new way, we have everything on the table. The portfolio expansion is certainly a big one, but we do know that their spend is primarily going to be in delivery by the very nature of their business.
Ron Kisling: that doesn't mean that the stickiness can't come from bespoke compute offering and we saw pretty good
Ron Kisling: results there across the business on the compute side and certainly on the security side. We are seeing a lot of security event activity in the media space and so I think there is more opportunity for us.
Ron Kisling: to gain that stickiness from security, even if the bulk of our revenue continues to come from media. But I tell you, I think we are
Ron Kisling: still at the beginning of that journey, largely. Like, I don't think we've reached every, we haven't reached our full capacity in diversifying the portfolio there. And again, in 25, security is gonna be a huge part of our focus, and I think that will include the media camp.
Ron Kisling: Pershing
Speaker Change: Got it, thank you. Just one other one. How should we think about the mix of security revenue increasing and what is embedded into Q4 guidance?
Speaker Change: Yeah, as far as the security mix went in Q3,
Speaker Change: I think we can do a lot better than that, to be honest. I wasn't super pleased with that result and and of course...
Speaker Change: the effects of these product launches that came in this quarter and during Q3 and in Q2, we haven't seen that start to show up in the revenue yet, and certainly we haven't seen the full effects of our new sales leadership here. I think we can do significantly better than that, and it will be a big, big focus for the company in 2020.
Speaker Change: I think you'll really see the bigger impact as we get into 2025 with recent releases and the efforts that Scott is putting into the go-to-market efforts.
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Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Madeleine Brooks.
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Speaker Change: Hi, yes, this is Kavnido Prum on for Madeline Brooks of Bank of America. I have two questions for you, but I'll start with the first one. My first question is, what's the strength in 3Q expected or unexpected, especially with the recovery you noted in the few large customers? And then can you talk about the sustainability of these trends? Were there any one-offs, such as the Olympics, that contributed to this outperformance?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think we did see better than expected results in the third quarter as we worked through the quarter. I think where we saw strength was
Speaker Change: You know, we did see some strength from live sporting events, you know, including, you know, global events where they hand out medallions.
Speaker Change: But we also saw strength in gaming, a lot of that's tied to release timings, so we saw better strength there than we anticipated going into the border.
Speaker Change: And then, as Todd mentioned earlier, you know, share gains outside of the top 10, you know, that growth was, you know, we expected to see an acceleration, you know, we mentioned that on the Q2 call, but that acceleration was a little stronger than we had anticipated going into the quarter.
Speaker Change: Again, we posted 13% year-over-year growth outside the top 10 in Q2 and shifting that to 20% in Q3. Again, this transformation and real focus on diversification of our revenue, I think we're starting to see results there and that's going to lead to more long-term sustainable growth of companies.
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Speaker Change: Perfect, thank you. And then just looking at, you guys started breaking out your network services, security, and other revenue, which is basically compute. And I know you talked about this the last few questions, but could you maybe talk about and possibly quantify what we will see with this mix in revenue shift over time? We see like network services has gone from like 81% to now 78%. Will we start to see more of a deceleration there with an increase in security? Or how should we be thinking about this a year from now or going into 2025?
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Speaker Change: Yeah, look, I believe, I don't want any of our business growth to decelerate. I want every product line's growth to accelerate for sure, but I think the pattern of further
Speaker Change: diversification of the revenue across the product lines is exactly what you're going to see. And I certainly believe in the fullness of time we'll see that network services revenue come well below 70% and even lower than two-thirds. That is certainly possible in this
Speaker Change: in this market, and I think as the, you know, as time goes on, we're going to see more and more diversification and perhaps more and more product lines as well.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from a line of Rudy Kessler with DA Davidson.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Bye. Bye.
Rudy Kessler: Like you said, you expected the non-top 10 to accelerate, looks like it accelerated a bit more.
Speaker Change: I guess the prior commentary suggested in my head, you know, top 10 customer revenue declines to about 30% in Q4, is that still the expectation or is it a bit lower, a bit higher just based on what you saw in Q3?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I mean, without specifically quantifying, I think, you know, we do expect to see some, you know, additional headwinds with certain of our largest customers.
Speaker Change: going into Q4. It's reflected in our guidance, you know, and that likely will bring down that concentration a little bit below what we saw in the third quarter. And I think what we will see is, you know, continued
Speaker Change: strong growth, you know, relative to maybe what we've seen in Q2 and Q3, continue into the fourth quarter.
Speaker Change: Okay, and at this point in time, I guess, do you feel like Q4 is, you know, the likely last?
Speaker Change: contraction in the top 10 revenue or maybe potentially some more in the first half next year and then on gross margins you know even if I adjust for the 90 basis point benefit that you had in Q4 last year still you're guiding to about 200 basis points of a decline or compression in your gross margins in Q4 this year. Could you just maybe unpack that a bit what's driving it and just how should we think about gross margins you know into 2025?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think in your first question, I think, you know, we do believe we've moved past kind of the worst of some of the impacts.
Speaker Change: from our largest customers. We certainly dramatically improved our visibility to their behavior, but there's still gonna be some headwinds going into Q4, but I think we're near.
Speaker Change: nearing the end of those those headwinds and declines we've seen amongst a subset of our largest customers. I think we've got a good strategy to keep a very strong position which we have with those customers and you'll continue to see healthy growth outside of these largest customers.
Speaker Change: On gross margin, I think to your point, the other dynamic on top of, you know.
Speaker Change: Some of those one-time benefits is really the investment that we're seeing
Speaker Change: to drive, you know,
Speaker Change: increased bandwidth in COLO deployments, really associated with increased international traffic.
Speaker Change: is one of the headwinds. And then we're seeing increased international traffic, which today typically has lower growth margins because our volumes are lower there. Although as we continue to grow that, there's an opportunity for us to bring those international growth margins more in line with what we see in our major markets.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from the line of Fatima Bawani with Citi.
Fatima Bawani: Oh, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. Todd, can you speak to the composition of the top 10 customers today versus a year ago? I can appreciate that you've been very, very hard at work to diversify away from this group and have done a good job kind of growing outside of that, but I'm just curious if you can give us some color on what the composition of that top 10 today is versus a year ago. I'm going to have a follow-up as well.
Fatima Bawani: And, you know, some of those organizations have additional business as well attached that might look more like traditional web business. But, of course, it's all from the same account.
Fatima Bawani: Got it.
Speaker Change: Ron, you were kind of alluding to this and you've kind of discussed a number of factors around ongoing headwinds, but the magnitude of some of those headwinds may be shrinking as we progress through into fourth quarter and maybe the start of next year. But when I specifically think about the net retention rate compression, when and where should we see this, you know, troughing out as it relates to what type of visibility you have in the business, if you can give us some kind of clues or some help or some guardrails on when we should, you know, trough out on net retention rate compression trends. Thank you.
Ron Kisling: Yeah, it's a good question. You know, I think, you know, as we move into next year, and as I said, I think a lot of the headwinds from the largest customers are behind us.
Ron Kisling: given that the, you know, NRR is done on an LTM basis, you know, that's going to...
Fatima Bawani: mute or slow kind of the growth out of where we see LTM NRR. So I would expect that we would see, you know, some expansion as you move into sort of middle of the year and second half, as you see some of the headwinds that we saw in 2024 drop off of the LTM calculation.
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Speaker Change: Our final question will come from the line of John Finholtz with William Blair.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Garrett Berkman for Jonathan Ho, and thanks for taking my question. I'd like to go back to the security business and just to get some additional color on where you're maybe seeing some more success, and then on the flip side, where are you seeing things potentially slow, just in terms of type of customer or any specific products? Thanks.
Speaker Change: really a cut above, and it leads our users to be able to run it in full blocking mode and get really the full value, not just the alerting. In the platform, we've seen a lot of loyalty there, and over the last
Speaker Change: year or so, we really moved all of that technology to be fully enabled on the Fastly platform so that the power of our edge and infrastructure is now deployed there.
Speaker Change: along with DDoS and Bob, a very complete solution. So I think that unification of the platform
Speaker Change: is driving a lot of our confidence here and the way I see customers engaging.
Speaker Change: with that WAP technology and now the add-on of bot and adaptive DDoS prevention, I feel really good. I think it has the biggest upside outside of media, especially in places like e-commerce, hospitality, travel, logistics, et cetera, fintech.
Speaker Change: And it has a real potential for us is this untapped penetration to our existing delivery customers. And so I think there's just a ton of upside and security. That's why it's going to be such an important focus for us in 25.
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Speaker Change: I will now hand the call back over to CEO Tom Nightingale.
Tom Nightingale: Thanks so much. I want to thank our employees, customers, partners, and our investors.
Tom Nightingale: We remain focused on execution, on bringing long lasting growth to our business and delivering value to all of our shareholders. Thank you so much for your time and your attention today.
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