Q1 2025 Amcor PLC Earnings Call
Hello and welcome to the AM Corps 1st quarter 2021 results conference call. All lines have been placed on you to prevent any background noise. After this speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session, and if you would like to ask a question during this time simply press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
I would now like the conference over to Tracey Whitehead Head of Investor Relations you may begin.
Thanks, Operator, and thank you everyone for joining AMCOR's Fiscal 25 First Quarter Earnings Call. Joining today is Peter Connichney, Chief Executive Officer, and Michael Casamento, Chief Financial Officer.
Let me note a few items before I hand over. On our website, amcor.com, under the Investor section, you'll find today's press release and presentation, which will be discussed on this call.
Please be aware that we'll also discuss non-GAAP financial measures and related reconciliations can be found in that press release and presentation.
Remarks will also include forward-looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions. The second slide in today's presentation lists several factors that could cause future results to be different than current estimates.
Reference can be made to AMCOR's SEC filings including our statements on Form 10-K and 10-Q for further details.
Please note that during the question and answer session, we request that you limit yourself to a single question and then rejoin the queue if you have any additional questions or follow-ups. Over to you, PK.
Thank you, Tracey, and thank you to all who have joined us for today's call.
I'm pleased to report that our business continues to build on the momentum we've delivered since the beginning of the calendar year with another quarter of solid financial performance to kick off fiscal 2025.
Our results are aligned with the expectations we set out in August and give us the confidence to reaffirm our guidance today.
We start, as always, with safety on slide three. The safety and well-being of our people is a value deeply embedded in Amherst culture, and I'm incredibly proud of our collective commitment to safety.
We continue to achieve industry-leading performance with another 13% reduction in injuries compared to the same quarter last year, and 73% of our sites remaining injury-free for more than a year.
Before we turn to the first quarter, I'd like to take a few minutes to talk about the strategic actions we're taking to evolve into an even stronger company.
Amcor is an outstanding company, with a strong values-based culture, highly talented people, and significant growth potential.
We have a strategy that remains relevant to our business and does not require revolutionary change.
I begin my tenure as CEO with a good understanding of where Amcor is today and with a strong and clear vision of where Amcor will be in the future.
I just covered what will always be our number one priority, safety.
Our commitment here will never change and the health and safety of our team members comes before anything else.
The unrelenting focus we have to safety has been rewarded with industry-leading metrics and performance, as I just shared, which is an excellent example of what AMCOR can achieve when we're focused and aligned on our priorities.
Second only to safety is the customer as seen on slide 4.
I believe we have an excellent opportunity to become an even stronger company by accelerating our volume-driven organic growth through an unwavering focus on our customers, on sustainability, and on our portfolio.
With our customers, we have two clear immediate opportunities.
The first touches on our culture, talent, and organization.
We will instill a stronger growth-oriented and customer-first mindset across Amcor.
One of the first changes I made as CEO was appointing Fred Stephan, previously president of Flexibles North America, to the newly created Chief Operating Officer role.
One of FRED's most important responsibilities is to ensure we fully leverage our scale and capabilities across the global flexible packaging businesses.
Setting the org up in this way means we remove regional silos, we ensure best practice is shared and deployed across the organization, we facilitate access to our entire product catalog anywhere in the world, and we drive efficiency across our manufacturing, operations, and equipment network.
By redirecting operational responsibilities and reporting lines, this new structure also serves to elevate and enhance the role of our global management team to focus on strategic, bigger-picture choices, including those designed to further accelerate organic growth and shareholder returns.
The second opportunity we have to win with our customers and accelerate our growth lies in ensuring all our teams have the growth capabilities, tools, and processes to operationalize growth and accelerate volumes while we maintain margin quality.
I believe we can be better when it comes to service quality, speed to market, as well as building comprehensive pipelines of growth opportunities, which are managed rigorously to drive top-line growth.
For the last several months, we have allocated additional time and resources to expand on our commercial excellence framework and to make sure we get the basics right 100% of the time.
In addition, we are leveraging our global network of innovation centers to get even closer to our customers and develop the next generation of packaging solutions that meet their needs to preserve, protect, and promote their products in a way that supports circularity for the industry.
Which brings me to sustainability. We have the opportunity to raise our sustainability profile and be an even stronger advocate in support of the best packaging solutions for consumers and customers to eliminate waste, lower carbon footprint, and increase recycling rates while preserving functionality.
Selling sustainable packaging solution benefits the planet while driving value for shareholders and I'm confident we can increase the pace of our efforts to support packaging portfolio transition for our customers with good economic stewardship.
In order to demonstrate our commitment to sustainability leadership, I elevated our own focus, appointing David Clark to the newly created role of Chief Sustainability Officer.
Many of you will know Dave has been instrumental in advancing our sustainability agenda for many years, and we continue to make excellent progress, which is detailed in our 2024 sustainability report launched earlier this month.
I've also tasked our teams to leverage the early wins we are having with mFiber to drive more growth from our innovative fiber-based offerings.
And finally, portfolio. We will drive accelerated growth by capitalizing on the opportunity to further orient our mix towards faster growing, higher margin categories.
We have been focusing on the priority categories of healthcare, meat, pet care, and premium coffee, which we have also supplemented with value-aggreed acquisitions.
I believe we can further accelerate organic growth by adding two additional areas, dairy and liquid applications.
Both have significant global growth opportunities.
My confidence in the ability to generate higher levels of organic volume growth consistently and stronger returns for our shareholders is underpinned by Umpra's proven ability to focus, execute, and deliver, as we have demonstrated with safety.
Turning to slide five.
This focus will move us towards becoming the company Encore will be known as in the future and my vision for Encore.
First, AMCA will be known as a sustainability champion.
AMGRA's purpose is grounded in safely and efficiently bringing essential food and medicine to people around the world for our innovative packaging solutions.
We do this with a commitment to the planet, contributing to significantly limiting food waste, decarbonizing our products and developing packaging solutions that ultimately eliminate packaging waste in the environment.
This is what inspires and motivates us to continue driving differentiation and value for our customers, employees, and shareholders.
And it is this combination of unique capabilities and a clear purpose that sets Amcoras up to be the sustainability partner of choice for our customers and drive the next generation of growth through circularity and decarbonization in a way no other company can.
Second is market leadership. Our unmatched scale, global reach, and the breadth of our sustainable packaging solutions and service offerings positions Amcor to win as a critical supply partner to global, regional, national, and local customers.
We will continue to build and expand on these strengths to help ensure Amcor becomes the go-to packaging solutions provider in our categories of choice for customers across the globe.
Third, my vision is that UMKR will be well known for delivering consistent organic growth. As I've just covered, I see a clear opportunity to deliver higher levels of profitable, volume-driven organic growth, creating an even stronger company and unlocking value for our stakeholders.
And fourth, as an investment, AMCA will be known globally for its highly compelling financial profile with consistent performance against our model of delivering 10 to 15 percent of annual value creation for shareholders.
We expect to continue to generate significant free cash flow, maintain our investment grade balance sheet, and execute against our capital allocation strategy, which does not change.
I'm excited with my vision for OMCO's future, and with the priorities we have set, geared toward accelerating growth.
As reflected in our Q1 volume performance, we're already starting to see some initial green shoots as a result of our efforts to date. There are many more opportunities ahead and we will continue to be agile and evolve into an even stronger company.
Now, turning to the quarter on slide six.
I'm pleased we delivered another quarter of volume growth with the trajectory improving for the third consecutive quarter. This also contributed to earnings growth in line with our expectations.
And as mentioned, the solid start to the year has given us confidence to reaffirm our full year guidance today. We're very optimistic on the demand trends we're seeing in the market and we expect our volumes will continue to grow through the year.
I'll now turn the call over to Michael to cover the result and outlook in more detail. Michael?
Michael: Thank you, PK, and thanks to everyone joining us today.
Starting with slide 7 and a summary of our Q1 financial results, our fiscal 2025 year is off to a very good start with broad-based improving customer demand across many end markets.
Our teams continue to position AMCOR to win with our customers which resulted in our third consecutive quarter of sequential improvement in volumes.
Overall volumes for the physical first quarter were up approximately 2% compared with 1% in Q4.
As expected and called out in August, volumes remained weak in healthcare and North American beverage, which unfavourably impacted overall company volumes by approximately 2%.
So across the balance of the business, overall volumes increased by 4% over the September quarter last year.
Price mix had an unfavourable impact on sales of approximately 3%.
primarily driven by continued de-stocking in higher margin healthcare categories as expected and as noted on our August earnings call.
First quarter adjusted earnings per share was in line with our expectations, coming in at 16.2 cents per share, which represents growth of 5% on a comparable constant currency basis.
Adjusted EBIT grew by 3% compared with last year and our teams continue to proactively manage costs well, helping drive operating
ledger across the business.
This resulted in another quarter of margin improvement with adjusted EBIT margin increasing by 50 basis points to 10.9%.
Moving to our flexible segment on slide eight, Q1 volumes were up 3% compared with last year and improved modestly on a sequential basis, reflecting broad-based growth across most geographies and end markets.
Michael: Net sales decreased by 1% on a comparable constant currency basis.
As widespread volume growth across the flexibles business was offset by unfavorable price mix of approximately 4%, again, primarily related to lower healthcare sales.
As anticipated and discussed on last quarter's call, destocking in healthcare continued in North America and Europe in pharmaceuticals, and this resulted in a headwind of approximately 2% to overall segment volumes.
We expect this destocking to abate by the end of calendar 2024.
Across the balance of our Flexools portfolio, volumes were up approximately 5%.
Michael: reflecting solid customer demand across all regions and in many product categories.
Michael: In North America and Europe, first quarter demand continued to improve for the second consecutive quarter.
Michael: Volumes were up low to mid single digits in both regions despite the negative impact of healthcare de-stocking.
In emerging markets our Asia-Pacific and Latin American businesses also continue to deliver good volume growth at low to mid single-digit rates.
supported by Solid Demand in China, India, Brazil and Peru.
Michael: From a product category standpoint, meat, dairy, liquids and ready meals all delivered mid-single-digit growth, and single-serve coffee was up. In healthcare, medical returned to modest growth, however farmer volumes were down low double digits compared with last year.
Adjusted EBIT for the quarter of $329 million, grew by 3% over last year on a comparable constant currency basis.
Higher volumes, combined with strong cost performance, led to another quarter of margin expansion, with adjusted EBIT margins up 40 basis points to 12.9%.
Turning to rigid packaging on slide 9.
The Ridges business continues to advance its performance and the trajectory of overall segment volumes improved for the third consecutive quarter. The business delivered another quarter of earnings growth despite a four percent decline in overall volumes compared with last year.
As expected, this was primarily driven by continued soft consumer and customer demand in the North American beverage business.
Michael: Net sales were down 4% on a comparable constant currency basis, with price mix relatively flat.
In North America, beverage volumes were down high single digits, consistent with our volume performance in the previous quarter.
despite a modest negative impact from the temporary closure of a couple of plants in the southern eastern United States toward the end of the quarter to help ensure our people remain safe from the impacts of Hurricane Elaine.
As anticipated entering the quarter, consumer demand remained muted in AMCOR's key end markets and customer mix remained unfavourable.
Latin American volumes were lower than last year, reflecting weaker customer demand in Argentina and Colombia, which was partly offset by growth in Mexico and the Caribbean.
Michael: The specialty containers business delivered good growth in the dairy and nutrition categories with volumes down in healthcare due to destocking.
Michael: From an earnings perspective, the business delivered another quarter of growth and margin expansion through an ongoing focus on cost reduction and productivity measures.
Michael: Adjusted EBIT of $62 million in Q1 was up 2% on a comparable constant currency basis.
Michael: with EBIT margin increasing by 60 basis points to 7.7%.
Michael: And as announced earlier today, we reached an agreement to sell our 50% interest in the Berry Cap North America closures business to our joint venture partner for $122 million, which we will use to reduce debt.
Although we've had a long and respectful relationship with BerryCap over the past 27 years, at this juncture, we have chosen to unwind the joint venture due to differing views on near-term capital requirements and resulting returns.
While AMCOR continues to operate in the closure space, and it remains a category of interest, we are committed to maintaining our disciplined approach to capital allocation.
Moving to Cash on the Balance Sheet on slide 10.
Michael: Consistent with historical quarterly phasing, Q1 was a quarter of cash usage. Compared with last year, CapEx increased to support a number of important projects that will continue to drive our sustainability, innovation and growth agendas.
Michael: Additionally, we increased raw material inventories to ensure we are ready to service improving volume trends.
Michael: Leverage was a little higher than we were anticipating given the impact of higher inventories and secondly due to stronger euro spot rates toward the end of the quarter which negatively impacted debt and subsequent leverage by 0.1 times, which has since unwound.
Michael: We expect leverage to reduce through the fiscal year and anticipate an improvement in the second quarter with an end point below prior year December and we remain confident in meeting our expectation to exit fiscal 2025 with leverage at three times or lower.
During the quarter we returned approximately $180 million in cash to shareholders through our quarterly dividend and our board has also increased the quarterly dividend per share by 2% to $12.75.
Michael: Thank you. Bye.
Speaker Change: Tracey Whitehead Page of
Michael: Thank you for watching.
Michael: That brings me to the outlook on slide 11.
Speaker Change: As PK mentioned, based on our good start to fiscal 2025,
We are reaffirming our guidance for the fiscal year.
Speaker Change: For fiscal 2025 we continue to expect adjusted earnings to be in the range of point seven to be in the range of 72 to 76 cents per share on a reported basis.
Speaker Change: representing comparable constant currency growth of 3 to 8 percent.
Michael: Our performance through the first quarter further supports our expectations for strong growth in the underlying business for the year as we continue to build on our volume and earnings momentum.
Michael: As we pointed out on our August call, it's important to remember that this guidance includes an EPS headwind of approximately 4%.
Michael: related to more normalised levels of incentive compensation based on our expectations for improved annual financial results.
Michael: Excluding this incentive normalisation, we expect growth from the underlying business in the high single to low double-digit range.
Michael: We continue to assume overall volumes will increase in the low to mid single-digit range for the year with trading performance through October aligned with this expectation.
Michael: Interest expense guidance remains between $290 million and $305 million with an effective tax rate in the range of 19 to 20 percent.
Michael: Looking at our fiscal second quarter, we expect adjusted EPS to be relatively in line with our first quarter performance.
Michael: This means fiscal 2025 earnings phasing, as outlined on our August earnings call, will be broadly aligned with a historical average of approximately 45% of earnings being delivered in the first half of the year and 55% in the second half, with the fourth quarter typically the strongest of the year.
Michael: And finally, we're affirming our expectations to generate strong adjusted free cash flow in the range of $900 million to $1 billion for the year.
Michael: Supporting our confidence in exiting the year with the leverage back at three times or lower as I noted earlier.
Michael: We're happy with our start to fiscal 2025 and look forward to the opportunities we have to accelerate our future growth. And with that I'll hand back to PK.
PK: Thank you, Michael. Turning to slide 12 for a few closing remarks prior to opening the call to questions.
PK: I'm pleased with the overall performance trajectory of the business and I'm excited about the significant opportunities we have ahead of us to enhance our profitable growth profile.
As I noted earlier, we have already taken a number of concrete actions designed to accelerate volume growth, each of which further strengthens our ability to generate attractive, sustainable shareholder returns.
PK: Customer demand is improving broadly and Q1 was another quarter of volume growth with earnings in line with our expectations.
Michael: We continue to build financial momentum and evolve our strategic focus to unlock value, supporting the reaffirmation of our financial guidance for fiscal 2025.
Michael: Operator, we're ready to take questions.
Speaker Change: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. As a reminder, in the interest of time, we would like to remind participants to limit their questions to one and then to rejoin the queue for any follow-ups.
Your first question comes from the line of Gansham Punjabi with Baird. Your line is open.
Gansham Punjabi: Thank you, Operator. P.K., first off, congrats on your new role. Best wishes in the future. Thank you.
Gansham Punjabi: Yeah, so I guess, you know, in your vision slide specific, the organic growth component, you know, I know it's early in your tenure. You've been in the company for a while though.
Speaker Change: Can you share specifics on how exactly you intend to do that in the low growth end markets that both your segments, you know, sort of exposed towards? And do you anticipate any portfolio repositioning that's needed to accomplish that, including any divestitures? Thanks.
Speaker Change: That's a great question, Gantrim, and you're right. I believe that driving a better organic volume growth profile is probably the biggest opportunity the company has.
Speaker Change: basic if you want.
Speaker Change: Because you want to get the basics right, service quality, you want to be, you know, easy to do business with for the customers.
Speaker Change: which is one thing that we just need to continue to have an eye on and I said in my prepared remarks we can probably do better on that side or do even better. The second one is related to capabilities.
Speaker Change: Remember, we are essentially looking at AMCOR at a commercial excellence program, which we brand ValuePlus.
Speaker Change: which however given our past has really been focused on driving mix and margins.
Speaker Change: And that was an excellent tool for a challenge that we had many years ago. And you know that that was highly successful in delivering returns for us. I think we have an opportunity to expand, but not reinvent the program, to expand the program to also include elements of
Speaker Change: and organic volume growth and initiatives that go into that direction. And we have already started in doing that.
Speaker Change: The other capability side that I would see is just leveraging better and more our incredible innovation capabilities.
Speaker Change: And very simply said, to a certain extent, that comes down to just leveraging our product portfolio across the global markets, particularly in flexibles.
Speaker Change: We have incredible success with certain products that we bring to certain categories or in the marketplace. And we have, we see.
Speaker Change: We see opportunities to use those products also in other regions, other markets across the world, and that leverage opportunity I think we want to go after more consistently in the organization that we've set that really helps us.
Speaker Change: And then you know that we have an innovation center network that we leverage more going forward because we've invested in it and we have excellent customer contact already in those innovation centers.
Speaker Change: on those categories in terms of meat.
Speaker Change: Going forward, probably we will talk more about protein because we had dairy.
Speaker Change: healthcare, while that's a bit of a hold back.
Speaker Change: at this point in time, but we're seeing through that. This is a great category that will get back to growth and a couple of others that I can speak more to if you want to know more. And then we have the opportunity on the fiber side. So as I'm going through those points, you can see that we're pretty bolted around the initiatives.
Speaker Change: at the same time they're broad and and we're setting them up to to facilitate the organic growth side of things.
Speaker Change: So, that was a long-winded answer to your first question. The second one was, do we see any opportunities to prune the portfolio, whatever?
Speaker Change: Look, I think that's always gonna be on the agenda, but I'll tell you right now, I feel pretty good.
Speaker Change: about the portfolio that we're working with across flexibles and rigid packaging. So I don't see any immediate need to make any changes there.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from the line of John Pertell with Macquarie. Your line is open.
John Pertell: G'day P.K. and Michael, hope you're well and congrats P.K. on the role. Just on Q1 volume growth, just confirming that's sort of broadly where you thought it would be. Obviously your flexible volumes are up 3%, which is the same as what we saw in Q4, but not an acceleration.
Speaker Change: Yeah, John, look, first off, you know, we're pretty encouraged about the volume performance in the first quarter. And if I just take you through that overall company volume performance plus 2%, which is 100 base points up versus the quarter before.
Speaker Change: I'd say that that is broadly in line with what we were expecting. If we put health care and North American beverage to the side, which is about 25% of our sales in the first quarter, the balance of the portfolio is up 4%.
Speaker Change: and you specifically referenced flexibles. Flexibles is up, yes, 3%. That includes healthcare, which is still a bit of a hold back, but the rest of the portfolio is up 5%.
Speaker Change: So, you know, we feel pretty good about that. We feel pretty good because we also understand the healthcare dynamics. And healthcare, as you know, breaks out in two subcategories. One is medical, the other one is pharma.
Speaker Change: on medical as we as we have said in prior calls.
Speaker Change: We are no longer seeing gestalking. As a matter of fact, medical is back in growth territory in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker Change: and pretty much as expected and the destocking, you can say, has come to an end. What's holding us back now is really just, in quotes, pharma.
Speaker Change: We have a pretty strong pharma exposure, but pharma has started its destocking a little later than medical, about a quarter.
Speaker Change: So we're still seeing destocking from pharma, and we believe that that will sort of roll also partly into the second quarter, but as we leave the second quarter, I think, you know, we're going to see that the stocking is abating and setting us up for a much better back half of the year.
Speaker Change: So with that said, I'd say we're feeling pretty good about...
Speaker Change: about the volume story in the first quarter. And if I look forward into the second quarter, and, you know, we're definitely expecting another sequential volume improvement in Q2, too. So, I'm in a spot where I say I'm very happy with how the volumes are currently coming back.
Speaker Change: The next question is George Stafos with Bank of America. Your line is open.
George Stafos: Hey, thanks for taking my question, PK. Good morning and congratulations.
George Stafos: A lot of content here, I'll try to keep it to one question. Can you update us on some of how some of your newer products in the last few years, Amlite, Amprima, Amfiber, are doing? You called out Amfiber in particular.
George Stafos: I believe there was a comment in the slide deck on Amprima as well.
George Stafos: If you index those or somehow quantified what's been the growth in those products, how important are they broadly to the portfolio overall? And relatedly, as you look out at the packaging and packing waste reduction,
George Stafos: tenants that, you know, they're off a few years but nonetheless your customers are going to have to deal with them and you will as well. Are there any things that are looking a little bit more challenging for Amcor's portfolio to manage against, you know, maybe the recyclet scale requirements? How would you have us think about that? Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks George. Great question again. I'll try to keep it short too, because there's a lot of content here. Let me go backwards. First of all, we're acutely aware, obviously, of regulatory trends and that would include the packaging waste regulation in Europe and the general
Speaker Change: Headline around that from our side is we're supportive. We're supportive of such regulation and to the extent that it drives the circularity that we need in order to keep plastic waste out of the environment.
Speaker Change: So the regulation is good and and we we we are supportive of that
Speaker Change: It is exactly in that context that we're developing product platforms like AmpFibre, like Amprima.
Speaker Change: and others that are essentially developed in order to comply with such regulation. And what they all have in common is that these products are more sustainable and they're recyclable.
Speaker Change: and you asked me to talk a little bit more about fiber also. Look, fiber...
Speaker Change: in the context of what I just said fits perfectly in because it is another sustainable packaging substrate which has one advantage at this point in time, it is recyclable at scale today.
Speaker Change: And whereas for plastic, we're building within the concept of circularity, that recyclability.
Speaker Change: but it requires more investment into infrastructure and so on and so forth. And fiber, that is already there. And therefore, the substrate fiber appeals to customers and consumers at this point in time.
Speaker Change: Now, I will tell you that we need to keep in mind that fiber is a natural substrate and it's porous. It's full of holes.
Speaker Change: which is against the requirements that we have when we think about primary packaging, which is to a large extent about creating barrier properties in order to protect
Speaker Change: the food stuff that's inside.
Speaker Change: and and therefore Fiber will always have a very limited range of applications across the board of what we're serving today.
Speaker Change: but where it fits
Speaker Change: It is a responsible packaging substrate, and as a company that is a responsible packaging company, we proactively ...
Speaker Change: explore the opportunities on that end.
Speaker Change: And therefore, we have developed the platform of AmpFiber. A product that we have is the performance paper product, which actually differentiates us really well because we've been able to introduce barrier properties.
Speaker Change: which makes that solution really attractive to certain applications.
Speaker Change: And the same essentially is true for Amprima. It's a plastic-based product, but it's a recyclable plastic-based product.
Speaker Change: which therefore is finding good pickup into the marketplace.
Speaker Change: But I will tell you, and that's my last comment, in terms of dimensionalizing it, I would have to probably come back to you, but I'd say, you know, we're working. Amprima is a pretty sizable base at this point in time, and it continues to grow.
Speaker Change: The fiber substrate is growing but off a smaller base and we see more growth opportunities going forward in line with first of all our growth aspirations but secondly also with the responsibility that we feel for for more sustainable structures.
Speaker Change: Next is James Wilson with Jardin Australia. Your line is open.
James Wilson: Morning guys, thanks for taking my question. Just on the Berry Cap unwind of the joint venture, are you able to talk us through, A, what the strategic rationale behind unwinding that joint venture was, and also the implications that that will then have for RIDGID's earnings going forward as well, please?
Speaker Change: Yeah, James, happy to do so. And I'll take the first part of your question and then I hand it off to MC here, to Michael, to talk about the earnings implications.
Speaker Change: Look the first thing that I will say is you know we continue to be attracted to the closure space.
Speaker Change: And we actually continue to operate in closures. We have a metal-based closures range that is very much focused on wine and spirits. We also have closures in the specialty containers business on the rigid side. If you add all that business together, you will end up with a top line between 200-300 million, and I think that's a pretty sizable exposure still.
Speaker Change: So, strategically, no change in positioning to the closure space.
Speaker Change: Now, why then sell off top line in a period where you want to grow and end with a business you're strategically interested in? When something like this happens in a joint venture environment, it's...
Speaker Change: It's typically because you have differences with your joint venture partner about the development of the business going forward. And that's exactly what happened here.
Speaker Change: weren't comfortable with the views of our partner with regards to the amount of capital that
Speaker Change: the partner perceived to be necessary to develop the business going forward and the time it took to get to returns that were attractive to us.
Speaker Change: We sat together.
Speaker Change: with a partner and then internally and we thought about what to do the fact is that our businesses are competing for capital and we have a capital allocation
Speaker Change: model in the company where we felt we have other opportunities across the business where we can put the capital to work at better returns in a shorter period of time.
Speaker Change: And that was essentially the reason and the strategic background to the divestment. And it really just demonstrates that we're very disciplined around our capital allocation model.
Speaker Change: This divestment will close at the end of December, so it's really a half-year impact for FY25.
Speaker Change: And from an EBIT standpoint, about $19 million, which both sit in the rigid packaging segment.
Speaker Change: From a net income perspective at an AMCOR level, the group level, you know, after taking out the minority interest, it's about an $8 million net income.
Speaker Change: on an annualized basis, so again you've got to take half of that for FY25.
Speaker Change: and obviously with the proceeds.
Speaker Change: going to reduce net debt, we are going to see some interest benefit from that. So when you put the two of those together, actually for 25 and ongoing, the impact of the net income line is very minor.
Speaker Change: You know, I just want to round off that comment because I don't know who's dialed in here, maybe even our joint venture partners dialed in. I just want to say very, very respectful relationship over many years and very amicable and sort of wind up of the joint venture. And I know that the business will do well going forward and it's good that the business again has clear direction.
Speaker Change: Next is Mike Roxland with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Mike Roxland: Thank you, PK, Michael, and Tracey for taking my questions, and I'll just echo what everybody said. PK, congrats on the role.
PK: Thanks, Mike.
Mike Roxland: My question is regarding your algorithm in terms of annual margin improvement.
Mike Roxland: historically, the inquiry targeted 20 to 30 basis points of this improvement, but over the last few years, particularly given the de-stocking, you've developed a leaner cost structure. So given this cost structure that's leaner, and even as some of those costs, such as labor, slowly come back, would it be fair to say that
Mike Roxland: the algorithm, at least in the near-term, has shifted higher. So maybe the 20 to 30 basis points of margin improvement could be 30 to 40 for the next year or two as you slowly add back cost to the business.
Mike Roxland: Alec, I'll start on that one, Mike. I think, you know, your observations are correct in the near term. I mean, obviously...
Mike Roxland: The last couple of years there's been a bit of a disconnect, particularly when you think about
Mike Roxland: Raw materials going through the top line inflation going through the top line then then you know the
Mike Roxland: Volumes come off, we can pull the cost down. It doesn't necessarily go back up at the same rate. I think...
Mike Roxland: as we look over a long period of time, the mixed management, the portfolio, really drive that consistency through. And PK touched on some of the new product innovation, the sustainable structures, they all have different margin profiles as we look forward. So, you know, from where I sit, I think it's still a good algorithm from where we are. And, you know, we kind of stand by that as we look forward, but it will vary from time to time, depending on the cycle we're in.
Speaker Change: Next is Daniel Kang with CLSA. Your line is open.
Daniel Kang: Good morning everyone and congrats again to PK. Just a question on the addition of dairy and liquids into the focus categories.
Daniel Kang: Can you just talk us through the opportunity here, where you see AMCOR currently sits in these categories, and your realistic sort of medium-term targets?
Daniel Kang: for joining us.
Daniel Kang: Thank you. Okay.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Daniel, happy to do that. Look, the most important thing, the most important thing is that in dairy and also in liquids, we have a very strong position in North America.
Speaker Change: And that's on the back of differentiated product solutions that go into these two segments. Now dairy is what dairy says, right? It's hard cheese, it's soft cheese, could go up to yogurt, that's a whole dairy space. Liquids is one that may be a little less obvious and we always struggle internally how to define that best.
Speaker Change: It's essentially packaging solutions for what we call pumpable food. So you would have sauces in there like ketchup, mayo, you know, all kinds of different other sauces. You would have pureed food like applesauce, and you would also have some beverage applications in there.
Speaker Change: in Palachin's, for example. Now,
Speaker Change: That just explains the category, and both of these categories put us in a very strong position in North America.
Speaker Change: and we have just come out of the quarter where we have seen solid mid-single-digit growth in those categories.
Speaker Change: And we believe that one of the big opportunities that we have, before we get like super complex and sophisticated around developing new products and so on and so forth, is just simply leveraging.
Speaker Change: the products that we bring to market successfully in North America across the global reach that we have in flexibles.
Speaker Change: And that's first and foremost what we want to do. So it's a product leverage challenge. Of course, there's also going to be additional innovation that we bring to these categories. But in the short term, I think it's product leverage. And that's something that we can do better going forward.
Speaker Change: And we have, just in order to calibrate also, we have annual revenues in those categories somewhere between $800 million and $1 billion in each one.
Speaker Change: So it's big, we are well positioned, we have good products, and we have markets that will have an opportunity to adopt those products, and we have an opportunity to create some revenues on that basis. We're excited about that, and this is where we're coming from.
Speaker Change: Next is Sam Silo with Citi. Your line is open.
Sam Silo: Good morning guys, thanks for taking my question. Just a quick one on net debt. You know, you're obviously growing volumes and earnings, but when I look at your net debt, 3.5 times, it's actually higher than...
Sam Silo: 3.3 times last year at this time, so just wondering at a higher level if you can unpack that cash drag.
Sam Silo: particularly the working capital and how we should think about that cash conversion as volumes and inventory kind of meet with that. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks Sam. It's a good question. You know, look, I agree. Firstly, with leverage at three times, we would say that's the peak. You know, and it's a little higher than we were expecting in Q1, or we would expect to see. And it's really for a couple of reasons. Firstly,
Speaker Change: As I mentioned in my remarks, we saw some spike in spot FX rates for Euro that were higher than we were expecting at the end of the September quarter, which have since come back. And that had an impact of just the calculation 0.1 on leverage for the quarter. And as I said, that's unwound since then.
Speaker Change: Secondly you know we did build additional inventory particularly of raw materials in the quarter.
Speaker Change: and this was really on the back of a couple of things. Firstly, you know, we are seeing strong demand signals and, you know, PK touched on a little particularly in Q2. We've seen over the last three quarters sequential improvement in volume and that demand signal continues into Q2.
Speaker Change: And, you know, we really don't want to miss.
Speaker Change: any opportunity to service our customers on that basis.
Speaker Change: So, you know, the teams have been out there and increasing the inventory, you know, probably a little more conservative, but also...
Speaker Change: You know, the other thing that we have seen is a little bit of supply chain disruption and some, you know, tremors in the market, particularly around port strikes, you know, a little bit of impact coming out of the Middle East as well.
Speaker Change: It was pretty reasonable for the teams to take a little bit of a conservative view on there, just to make sure we've got the right inventory in place, the raw materials there, to be able to convert as we work our way through this strong demand.
Speaker Change: If you put those two things aside, leverage would have been at 3.3x, pretty well aligned with prior year and about right where we would have expected it to be for this time of year.
Speaker Change: But that said, you know, it's higher than we like. And as we look forward, you know, we've got a clear plan to work it down. You know, we reaffirmed the full year cash flow guidance today, that $900 million to $1 billion.
Speaker Change: And we have confidence in that, particularly as we work our way through the inventories and we see the higher volumes come through. You know, obviously we're also paying down debt with the Berry Cap proceeds. So the disposal proceeds, which come in December.
Speaker Change: We'll see the improvement there and then we have really strong confidence in the balance of the year to come back to three times or below as we exit the year in June 25.
Speaker Change: Next is Brooke Campbell-Crawford with Barron Joey. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Good evening, thanks for taking my question. Just with respect to this focus on stronger organic growth, previously the business has always talked about low single-digit top-line growth organically. What's the new target for this? If you can provide a bit of a range of what you're thinking about and I guess I'm more focused beyond the near-term given
Speaker Change: I guess volumes in flexibles are still 6% below pre-COVID level. So once you kind of catch up on that period of underperformance, what do you think the steady state sort of medium term top line should be? Thanks.
Speaker Change: Thanks for a lot of questions there. I got to be a little conservative here and I'm going to shy away from giving you a number and a target going forward. What I will tell you is
Speaker Change: that I think we can do definitely better than the expectations that we spelled out before COVID.
Speaker Change: And as we walked into COVID and everything else that we've seen since then, I think it's been pretty volatile and you could call that a market dislocation for many different reasons, but we're working ourselves out of it.
Speaker Change: As we have seen with the volume performance of the last three quarters, and also as Michael just confirmed again, the demand signal in two.
Speaker Change: into Q2 of this fiscal year.
Speaker Change: On your second part, when you compare our current volume levels to what it was pre-COVID,
Speaker Change: You're right that.
Speaker Change: You know, we haven't fully caught up in terms of volumes today versus what it was pre-COVID. On the other hand,
Speaker Change: I'll tell you it's not so simple to just butter spread that across the different categories that we serve. It's much more of a complex picture. In some cases we're actually full and sold out, in some cases we do have some capacity.
Speaker Change: and for to absorb additional growth.
Speaker Change: And we're acutely aware of that. We are obviously more interested in selling open capacity now than selling capacity that requires more investment. But where it does, and where we have good opportunities, we're also not held back or constrained in any way to make investments into the business.
Speaker Change: So, that's the way how we're looking at it, but altogether, you know, we're feeling good about the initiatives that we've started to drive growth to higher levels going forward, and that is consistently. That would really be the target that I set out to the organization.
Speaker Change: Next is Cameron McDonald with E&P. Your line is open.
Cameron Mcdonald: Oh, good morning.
Cameron Mcdonald: Just some questions on the financials, if I can please. So, if I look at the adjusted EBITDA number in the back of the slides, can you just, Michael, can you explain what the $13 million impact is?
Speaker Change: Look, that's just the program that we put in place.
Speaker Change: to take some cost out of the business and restructure in certain parts as a result of disposing the Russian business to try and offset part of the disposed earnings. So we announced a program.
Speaker Change: you know, 18 months ago or so, and we've been working away through that. You know, we've announced seven plant closures, four plant restructures. In total, we were looking to spend
Speaker Change: cash wise about $170 million. We're most of the way through that program now and we're still seeing just a little bit of cost come through but you're also seeing the benefits of that program come through. We said that we would deliver about a $50 million annualized benefit.
Speaker Change: In FY24, we got $35 million of that. We got a further $5 million or so in Q1 2025, so we're well on track to deliver those benefits for that program and, you know, it's pretty much done by the end of calendar 24.
Speaker Change: Your next question is from Nathan Riley of UBS. Your line is open.
Nathan Riley: Thanks for taking my call, or question I should say. Just in relation to the underlying group volume growth of 4% excluding health care and beverage.
Nathan Riley: relative to some of the European and US scanner data and some of your key end markets, which have been quite patchy.
Nathan Riley: that volume growth looks quite solid. So I'm just wondering if you could give us a little bit of an update just in terms of how you're seeing the state of the consumer across your key end markets in both the U.S. and Europe, please.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Nathan, first of all, I agree. I also believe that the number is actually pretty solid. And here's how we're thinking about this. If you sort of pull it apart into the different components,
Speaker Change: You know, if you look at the consumer, I think the consumer is at best flat, if not a little down. And that's very consistent with what we've said in prior calls.
Speaker Change: And we're not expecting a lot of help from the consumer going forward either. So we're not going to bank on the consumer spending behavior sort of becoming more positive going forward.
Speaker Change: The thing that we're seeing is that the customers are performing better. We talked about that in the prior calls also, in the context of two things really. One is many customers are trying to find a better balance between price and volumes.
Speaker Change: that also translates into promotional activities and we're benefiting from that. What we also sort of group in the customer performance piece is just simply the fact that the stocking is over.
Speaker Change: And that's a, you know, I can say that now a little, with a little more conviction, the stalking is over except for the one category that we have decided to break out for this confestation because you introduced it like that. Let's put healthcare and North American beverage aside for a moment.
Speaker Change: And then the final point that we look at is, how are we faring in the market that we're seeing? And that comes down to our ability to gain share. Now, after the fourth quarter, I would have said something along the lines of, it's not material, but we see some green shoots.
Speaker Change: Now as I'm sitting here after the first quarter, I would say it's a little bit
Speaker Change: the volumes develop and what the drivers are once we're getting out of Q2.
Speaker Change: but we feel pretty good about it and and if I if your question also was you know break it out between between North America and Europe um I'd say it's it's pretty much it's pretty much the same between the two and the way how we look at that.
Speaker Change: so so that's pretty much that's pretty much the
Speaker Change: Our last question comes from George at Bank of America. Your line is open.
George Stafos: Thanks so much, PK. Thanks for taking my follow-on. It's a two-part where the first has nothing to do with the second part. So the first question is, you know, your volume growth actually has been relatively in line or actually a bit better than what we've seen out of other consumer packaging markets the last few quarters.
George Stafos: and yet you are working on your innovation and really trying to drive greater speed to market.
Speaker Change: all companies try to improve, we get that.
Speaker Change: through Drova, you know, we need to do an even better job of getting innovation
Speaker Change: to the goal line. Were there some lost sales or were there some opportunities? What drove that realization?
Speaker Change: And then the second question I have for you really is when, can you remind us, when do you expect RIDGID to inflect higher from a profit standpoint and when from a volume standpoint? Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah, George, that's really two questions. And as you said, they're not related. Yeah, exactly. So, but okay, let me go backwards. So, first of all, on ARP, so rigid packaging, look, we've been speaking a lot about the volumes, but what I haven't said yet is, and what you will see when you go through the numbers, is that the business has returned to earnings growth.
Speaker Change: over the last couple of quarters, actually since the beginning of this calendar year, they've come back with earnings growth.
Speaker Change: which means that despite the environment that they're operating in, they are being able to, you know, adjust their cost structures and their capacities to a level where they
Speaker Change: where they are turning out better profitability, which is something that we appreciate. Team is doing a great job. At the same time, we're all sitting here and waiting for the market to give us a bit more tailwind. And when that comes on the back of the efficiency that we've now created in the business,
Speaker Change: we'll see better improvement and better numbers, definitely better numbers, and we're looking for those. So we can't wait for that to happen on the profit side and also on the top line side. Now, are you asking me when is that gonna happen?
Speaker Change: That really depends on the consumer.
Speaker Change: You know, the consumer is still sort of held back on the categories that we serve.
Speaker Change: It is a very discretionary category mix that we're serving with the isotonics, with the ready-to-drink teas, or the juices.
Speaker Change: There's different ways of hydration, and while inflation may have come down, the consumer's just shocked by the prices on the shelf.
Speaker Change: And that's sort of the way how we explain currently the consumer behavior. So that needs to turn around. That will get us better volumes. And then we'll see definitely better top line and bottom line on the rigid side.
Speaker Change: So that sort of is my answer to that part of the question.
Speaker Change: The other, the first part was
Speaker Change: I think geared towards innovation and you're asking, you know, how to understand the questions we need to gear up on innovation. Let me just, first of all, maybe correct a perception. I never wanted to say that we are behind in our capabilities on innovation. We're not.
Speaker Change: I think we are one of the leading companies in our space with our innovation capabilities. And I'm not just saying that because I feel that, I'm saying that on the back of the feedback that we get from our customers.
Speaker Change: And, you know, they're very impressed with what we can do. And, you know, I take the opportunity on this call for those of my team that are actually listening in in the innovation space. You guys are doing a great job. Congratulations. But, of course, we want more.
Speaker Change: And we have made investments in the innovation centers across the world. And we have invested in one in China. The latest one has just opened the doors a couple of months ago in Ghent, in Belgium, in Europe.
Speaker Change: and we have a couple of satellites and we just want to see the returns. I want to see the returns on that investment and we're seeing that. Customers are, you know, coming in. We have a great process that we call Catalyst where we sit down with the customers and we do innovation.
Speaker Change: and we shock and amaze them with the things that we can do. So that's one. And the other one is really just around the leverage piece.
Speaker Change: You know, it is it is part of the of the innovation. I'm not asking to, you know, do some rocket science here, which I think our people can do. What I'm saying right now is.
Speaker Change: take the products that are successful in one market and help introduce them in other markets where we have demand for the same products. It's as simple as that. And that's product leverage and we have great opportunities to do that. So those were the two comments that I was trying to make on the innovation side and I hope that that's a little more clear.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: This concludes our question and answer session. I will turn the call back to PK for closing remarks.
Speaker Change: Thanks for the interest in the company and for dialing in great questions. I mean, you're essentially asking the questions that we're asking ourselves here. I just want to say one more time, we feel pretty good about where we're at, particularly with the volumes coming back. That's really important for us.
Speaker Change: And as we see that trickle through, we'll definitely see that also translate to the bottom line and we're looking at a solid year. So at this point in time, we are fully reaffirming our guidance for the full year and we feel we're in a good spot. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.