Q3 2024 Heidrick & Struggles International Inc Earnings Call
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Abby: At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Hydric and Shrivels 3rd Quarter 2020 for a conference call.
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Speaker Change: Thank you, and I would now like to turn the conference over to Suzanne Rosenberg and Vester relations. You may begin.
Suzanne Rosenberg: Thank you and welcome to our 2024 third quarter conference call. Joining me today are CEO Tom Monahan and Vice President Controller Steve Bondi. We posted our accompanying slides on the IR homepage of our website at hikerk.com and we encourage you to view these slides for additional context.
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Abby: We ask that you please refer to the Safe Harbor language also included in today's press release. With that, Tom, I'll turn the call over to you.
Tom: Thank you, Suzanne, and welcome to everyone joining on our earnings call today. I'm pleased to share that Heidrick & Struggles delivers solid performance in the third quarter, a testament to our ongoing commitment to creating unrivaled value for our clients.
Tom: This client focus is especially notable given that we are continuing to drive leadership changes within our organization.
Tom: Our new leadership team has done an excellent job of keeping our colleagues around the world focused on market opportunities and client needs as we more tightly target our solutions and prioritize scalability and profitability.
Tom: While we still have much work to do, we saw some early returns from the important steps we took in the second quarter to position the company for growth and impact.
Tom: We anticipate that Hydric's near and mid-term growth will come from our ability to clarify what we do for clients, simplify work for our people, and amplify our message in the marketplace.
Tom: Our leadership team is confident the steps we are taking will enable us to create substantial value for our clients, our colleagues, and our fellow shareholders.
Tom: Today I'll provide a brief overview of our third quarter results, share examples of how our approach is delivering tangible value for clients, and outline our strategic priorities.
Tom: After that, I'll hand over to Steve for a more in-depth look at our Q3 results, and then we'll open the call for Q&A.
Tom: Lastly, as our Investor Day approaches we look forward to seeing many of you on December 3rd.
Tom: when we'll dive deeper into the important initiatives we're pursuing to drive value for both our clients and our investors.
Tom: Let me start with a quick overview of our third quarter performance before Steve provides more detail.
Tom: While we operate in a complex world, our business remains strong thanks to our team's exceptional work in staying close and relevant to our clients.
Tom: Our top-line performance came in at the high end of our outlook, with contributions from all areas of our business.
Tom: Our core executive search business delivered excellent results, driven by strong performances in the Americas and Asia Pacific regions.
Tom: We also believe that the environment in Europe is beginning to stabilize.
Tom: Our on-demand talent business achieves solid growth, despite the ongoing slowdown in the broader temporary staffing space, highlighting our unique position in attractive market segments.
Tom: Hydra consulting gains were accompanied by strong confirmation increases.
Tom: Just as important, our third quarter top-line growth translated into solid adjusted EBITDA performance.
Tom: Although, of course, we see room for continued improvement here and have urgent focus on making that happen.
Tom: You may notice a shift in how we discuss our results as we place greater emphasis on highlighting organic performance.
Tom: We have assembled unique capabilities to help our clients, and now we need to work to bring them to life.
Tom: with this rich array of capabilities.
Tom: Our leadership is focused on driving client impact through organic growth at the market and client level.
Tom: Going forward, we will, of course, be willing and able to add new capabilities through select acquisitions.
Tom: But given the strength of the assets we've already acquired, this needs to be an addition to great execution on our organic growth opportunity.
Tom: As you can see in the third quarter, we achieved revenue growth of 6%, and on a year-to-date basis, organic revenue growth was 5%, despite continued caution in some segments of the marketplace.
Tom: This speaks to the power of our unique assets and the skill of our teams in shaping and responding to client need.
Tom: We know that the most critical factor in driving corporate and organizational performance
Tom: and this presents an ever-expanding addressable market. Of course cycles and shifts in the macroeconomic environment are inevitable, but there will always be a significant market opportunity for the essential leadership advisory work we provide.
Tom: This vast opportunity to support our clients, combined with our strong positioning, is super exciting and prepares us well for continued success.
Tom: with our world-class professional colleagues.
Tom: Supported by our distinctive brand, powerful technology, and valuable intellectual property, we have a strong platform to grow and scale and impact.
Tom: To accomplish this, we've set three strategic priorities, each of which are centered on building a differentiated, deep, and durable client relationships.
Tom: First, to be the most trusted leadership partner to the C-suite and board.
Tom: Even in the rarefied air of top search firms, we believe that our focus on leadership talent differentiates us.
Tom: We remain committed to consistently growing our executive search and assessment capabilities, which are the cornerstone of our enterprise.
Tom: It's clear from our search results that we are deeply engaged in helping the world's most talent-centered organizations drive impact by finding and elevating great leaders.
Tom: This work not only immediately inflects client performance, but also gives unmatched access to leaders and their priorities, allowing us to build valuable insights and data sets.
Tom: Take, for example, recent research from our board and CEO practice about the importance of testing would-be C-suite leaders' self-awareness.
Tom: It began with the pattern recognition for our leaders in the field, was validated by our assessment base of leadership performance, and now informs both our search work and points to opportunities in our coaching and leadership development offers.
Tom: Spoiler alert, only 13% of leaders currently show this trait.
Tom: The good news, however, is people can develop it, and we can help clients both find people with this trait and shape this as part of people's leadership journeys.
Tom: This rich intellectual property and deep and growing data asset also allows us to better arm our elite teams with the most effective tools to do their job.
Tom: We have launched a couple of new tools on our OneSearch platform that enable our teams to do an even better job of partnering with our clients.
Tom: We look forward to showing you some of these recent innovations in our upcoming Investor Day.
Tom: Our second priority is to help clients lead transformation in the new world of leadership.
Tom: a richer set of capabilities in the hands of our thoughtful partners and advisors creates the opportunity to build larger, deeper client relationships.
Tom: We know that once we place or elevate a new leader, our work is just beginning.
Tom: Each leader has a mandate to transform the performance of his or her organization.
Tom: Our capabilities are often vital to that objective, no matter what the end point of the transformation is.
Tom: could be margin improvement, digital transformation, faster growth, better agility, etc.
Tom: A leader must always ask whether they have the right leaders around them, the right skills for the immediate term, and the right ways of leading and performing as a team and as an organization.
Tom: And we have lined up the resources to help them. From assessing, and where necessary, augmenting their team through new talent, to driving permanent changes to performance through cultural change, we can meet them where they are and partner with them to get where they need to be.
Tom: The most obvious example right now is the ongoing effort to use AI to change work itself.
Tom: As documented by our technology, analytics, and AI practice, nearly a third of clients surveyed have now installed an exec with this remit as a direct report to the CEO. And more broadly, we see this movement reshaping the roles and organizational structures around the C-suite.
Tom: from finance to HR to the supply chain.
Tom: And with these new roles and skills come new ways of working, and urgent gaps in capability, all of which our on-demand and consulting offers can help shape.
Tom: The broader point is that, in this era, every client, everywhere, has a mandate to change.
Tom: And every client, everywhere, is confronting a changed market for the talent to lead that change.
Tom: It's our job to grow larger and more impactful client relationships by linking our work to ambitious client goals.
Tom: The great thing about this business attribute is that every economic and or paradigm shift, whether it's AI advancement, M&A waves, IPO cycles, and beyond, creates a need for new leaders and innovative new leadership approaches.
Tom: These long-term secular tailwinds are likely to keep expanding.
Tom: Simply put, when we execute effectively, change plays to our strengths.
Tom: Our third priority is innovating to create continuous engagement with our clients.
Tom: In our work with CEOs, boards, and chief people officers, we continue to see an important theme emerging.
Tom: Leadership and talent decisions are becoming an always-on activity.
Tom: This shouldn't be surprising. Many companies now talk openly in their 10-Ks or annual reports about leadership and critical talent being a key risk or opportunity for their business.
Tom: And yet, historically, the process for managing this risk has lacked consistency and rigor.
Tom: This is obviously a great opportunity for us to develop larger and stickier relationships with clients.
Tom: We termed this work Leadership Assurance.
Tom: knowing that companies face an urgent need to bring the same consistency, insight, and rigor to leadership questions as they do to, say, financial reporting.
Tom: Doing this well requires a different level of scale, as rather than just assessing three finalists for an immediate CEO role, we now need to look at pipelines of dozens of high-performing leaders to understand not only who can be CEO today, but also who can be in the C-suite a decade from now.
Tom: Here's a recent example from our work. A major technology company partnered with us to recruit an exceptional external candidate to CEO after working with us to evaluate both internal and external candidates.
Tom: The new CEO told their team almost immediately that succession planning was everyday business.
Tom: and they set in motion an ongoing process through which we are partnering them to continually assess the top team, advise on how best to organize and work, evaluate the team against best-in-class rivals, and make selective additions through key external hires.
Tom: The next step is helping them find ways to bring technology and AI to scale the process even further.
Tom: We don't expect every company to change how they work overnight, but we also can't imagine a world in which a topic as important as top-of-the-house leadership will be an afterthought in ongoing corporate management.
Tom: The fourth part of our strategy is not a pillar, but a foundation. And that's Hydra Talent.
Speaker Change: At the core of these strategic pillars lies a strong commitment to fostering a culture of inclusion, collaboration, and excellence.
Speaker Change: To that end, Tom Murray and I believe that our primary responsibility as leaders is to make Hydric a place where top talent can thrive and achieve their best work.
Speaker Change: This applies not only to our existing teams, but to great talent that wants to help us impact corporate performance globally by getting the right leaders into the right roles, leading in the right way.
Tom: This may be hard to believe given our reach and scale, but we still see opportunities to bring top talent into Hydric to accelerate our growth and impact in search, assessment, and beyond.
Tom: We'll share a little more about our targets for organic growth at Investor Day.
Tom: In conclusion, we've made early progress positioning us for the next phase of sustained organic growth and margin expansion.
Tom: With a vast market opportunity ahead, we are supported by a strong and experienced leadership team, solid momentum, and the financial flexibility to innovate against client needs and attract great people.
Tom: This, combined with discipline execution, will enable us to continue driving organic growth, expanding profitability, and enhancing long-term shareholder value.
Tom: Before I turn the call over to Steve, I would like to extend a warm welcome to both Vijaya Khasa and Tim Carter, who joined our company's board of directors at the end of September.
Tom: Vijaya brings deep expertise in digital products, user experience, and cyber security. While Tim's impressive track record in value creation within public advisory businesses will strengthen our board's capabilities.
Tom: Notably, Tim's public company CFO experience adds an additional level of financial expertise to guide our strategic decisions as we continue to innovate and grow.
Speaker Change: With that, I'll now hand the call over to Steve to provide a detailed review of our financial performance and outlook.
Steve Bondi: Thank you very much. Thank you.
Steve Bondi: Thank you, Tom, and welcome, everyone, joining us on the call.
Steve Bondi: Today, I will provide you with a review of our third quarter results with organic revenue growth that came in at the high end of our guidance, along with a solid adjusted EBITDA performance in the quarter.
Steve Bondi: Looking at our performance on a consolidated basis, third quarter revenue was $279 million or 6% above third quarter 2023 results driven by each of our businesses.
Steve Bondi: Adjusted EBITDA of $40.4 million compares to $29.3 million in the third quarter of 2023. An adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.9% compared to 11.2% last year.
Steve Bondi: Now let's turn to each of our businesses for further details.
Steve Bondi: In the executive search, revenue grew 3% to $204 million.
Steve Bondi: Looking at our regional performance compared to the prior year quarter we saw revenue increases in the Americas and Asia-Pacific of 1.7 percent and 22 percent respectively.
Steve Bondi: Europe was down 3.3% or 5% on a constant currency basis given the operating environment we commented on in the previous quarter.
Steve Bondi: As you know, we have a diversified practice platform with great client engagement.
Steve Bondi: During the third quarter, we saw outperformance by the healthcare and life sciences, global technology and services, and the social impact practice groups.
Steve Bondi: We also saw consultant productivity annualized in the third quarter at 2 million, compared to 1.9 million on the same basis in the year-ago quarter, which continues to be within the longer term range of 1.8 million to 2 million we have commented on previously.
Steve Bondi: We were also very pleased with Executive Search maintaining strong profitability with adjusted EBITDA of $50.7 million and a margin of 24.8%.
Steve Bondi: Thank you.
Steve Bondi: Turning to on-demand talent, revenue was $46 million, up 13% compared to third quarter 2023.
Steve Bondi: While we offer a variety of products within On Demand Talent, we are especially pleased with our top-line performance in this business and in the current market dynamics in the temporary staffing space.
Steve Bondi: We saw increases in average contract values reflecting longer duration projects along with an increased number of extensions with higher extension values.
Steve Bondi: On-demand talent generated adjusted EBITDA of $1.8 million versus a loss of $0.6 million in the prior year quarter.
Steve Bondi: With a new leader and plan in place, we have streamlined the business and made changes to the model to improve operating efficiency while fostering innovation in our products and services as we pivot and accelerate growth.
Steve Bondi: Our results demonstrate that on-demand talent is a valuable complement to our robust search business, providing clients with essential talent and interim executives as we simultaneously work on their long-term placements.
Steve Bondi: We see significant opportunities to continue growing this business, which addresses an urgent client need and enhances our ability to serve clients comprehensively.
Steve Bondi: Looking at Hydro Consulting, we saw third-quarter organic revenue increase 20% year-over-year to $27.9 million, driven by increases in leadership assessment and development engagements, along with purpose-driven change solutions.
Steve Bondi: adjusted even a loss narrowed to 1 million versus a loss of 2.4 million in the third quarter of 2023.
Steve Bondi: We also delivered a 45% increase in confirmations from the year-ago period, and the number of consultants decreased to 84 from 90.
Steve Bondi: Now with the new leadership in place, Hydra Consulting is focused on its core strengths as we refine and simplify our solutions.
Steve Bondi: While we are encouraged by our progress toward profitability, we know there is much work ahead.
Steve Bondi: Importantly, our new leadership team has clarity and conviction on this business's roadmap to profitability. To accomplish our goals, we will concentrate our efforts on the most strategic elements of our offer portfolio and continue scaling them successfully.
Steve Bondi: Turning to Operating Expenses.
Steve Bondi: salaries and benefits increased 9.5% from the prior year quarter.
Steve Bondi: Fixed compensation increased $9.9 million in the third quarter of 2024, primarily reflecting increases in expenses related to the non-cash mark-to-market adjustments associated with our deferred and stock compensation plans.
Steve Bondi: Variable compensation increased $5.9 million due to an increase in consultant production.
Steve Bondi: As a percentage of net revenue, sellers and benefits was 65.7% versus 63.5% in the year-ago period.
Steve Bondi: General and administrative expenses increased $2.2 million versus the year ago period to $39.7 million.
Steve Bondi: As a percentage of net revenue, general and administrative expenses were 14.3%, which was flat with the third quarter of 2023.
Steve Bondi: The increase in dollars versus the year-ago period is primarily due to bad debt, office occupancy costs, expenses related to information technology, and business development travel.
Steve Bondi: Over the long term, as the business grows and scales and we get more shared capabilities, G&A is an ongoing source of leverage in our operating model.
Steve Bondi: With respect to R&D, as you've seen, we continue to invest in the future of Hydric. At the core of this investment are technology platforms and IP that power all our businesses, including Search, Hydric Consulting, and our digital product portfolio.
Steve Bondi: R&D spend for the third quarter was $5.7 million or 2% of net revenue.
Steve Bondi: essentially flat with the third quarter of 2023.
Steve Bondi: For the full year, we continue to expect R&D to be approximately $25 million.
Steve Bondi: Moving on to the bottom line profitability. Adjusted net income for the quarter was $15.1 million and adjusted diluted EPS was $0.72 which compares to adjusted net income of $15 million and adjusted diluted EPS of $0.73 in the same quarter last year.
Steve Bondi: The 2024 3rd quarter effective tax rate was positively impacted by a decrease in the company's estimated annual effective tax rate.
Steve Bondi: As a reminder, moving forward, we expect our tax rate in 2024 and 2025 to temporarily be around 38 percent.
Steve Bondi: driven by the non-deductibility of acquisition earn out costs. However, once these acquisition costs run off, we expect our tax rate to be back in a low 30% range, assuming no other statutory tax changes.
Steve Bondi: Now I'll turn to the balance sheet. We ended the third quarter with a strong cash position of $409 million, up $112 million from the end of June 2024, and up $75 million from September 2023.
Steve Bondi: The year-over-year improvement was mainly driven by payments for earnouts and acquisitions, which we did not have this year.
Steve Bondi: As we've discussed before, our cash position typically builds through the year as employee bonuses are recruited.
Steve Bondi: Employee bonuses are paid out in the first quarter along with their associated tax and related costs.
Steve Bondi: Our strong cash position with no debt, along with our $275 million accordion credit facility, or over half a billion dollars of liquidity, gives us great strength and flexibility to execute our strategic plan and return capital to our shareholders.
Steve Bondi: Moving forward, while there is some uncertainty in global markets, we continue to see good demand signals and strong fundamentals across our businesses. Therefore, we expect the fourth quarter to be strong compared to last year, allowing us to finish a third consecutive year north of $1 billion in revenue.
Steve Bondi: That said, turning to our fourth quarter 2024 revenue guidance, we expect a range between $255 and $275 million.
Steve Bondi: In conclusion, we delivered a solid performance in the third quarter with good organic revenue growth. We are particularly encouraged by the ongoing progress we are making as we build and enhance our portfolio of solutions that meets urgent client needs while amplifying our impact and search.
Steve Bondi: With that, operator, if you could please open the lines, Tom and I would be happy to take questions.
Speaker Change: And we would now like to begin the question and answer session.
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Speaker Change: And your first question comes from the line of Toby Sommer with Truist Bank. Your line is open.
Toby Sommer: Thank you very much.
Toby Sommer: Thank you. I wanted to ask a question about executive search.
Toby Sommer: Based on the confirmation data you have in your slide deck it looks like
Toby Sommer: confirmation is still down just to ever such a touch sequentially. Is it fair to describe the market as mostly driven by by fee growth in in not volume at least in recent months?
Toby Sommer: And I'm curious how October shaped up in the face of the U.S. election. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Steve, you want to take the first part of that and I'll take the second part? I think confirmation growth is still strong. We're, you know, we're seeing quarter over quarter in prior years, you know, we're seeing strong growth in Asia-Pacific and Americas sequentially. It's about flat. October, though,
Speaker Change: really strong so
Steve Bondi: October confirmations, both in search and in HC, were strong. Like any business services company, we've been watching this period because client decisions freeze up, etc., and we can't say we've seen that happen yet. I think part of it is...
Steve Bondi: Two things. Number one, we now are in an era of permanent complexity, so clients are getting used to operating in this environment.
Steve Bondi: And then second...
Speaker Change: Well, what we do is not discretionary in search. You know, people need, if they need a key executive, they got a key gap they need to drive, they need our help to go get that done. So we have not seen any uncertainty in the economy driving client decision making at this time.
Speaker Change: Are you seeing the kind of...
Speaker Change: customer decision-making, the entering in new markets, the launching of new products and services that create new roles in the marketplace, or is this a function you think at the executive level of
Speaker Change: of turnover in existing roles.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I would say, look, we're certainly, to the turnover point, we're certainly through the sort of war for talent of 21-22 and the great resignation and there was lots of turnover. And the great thing about our business is...
Speaker Change: Every cyclical tailwind you see out there right now, the obvious one is people trying to figure out what to do with AI. As I said on the call, you know, people are creating new roles, they're changing roles, they're adding capabilities, trying to get after that.
Speaker Change: when
Speaker Change: You know, when things come through the economy that way, you end up being able to take advantage of them. It does create new opportunities for us in addition to the normal turnover.
Speaker Change: And some of this is also just great execution from our team, staying in front of clients.
Speaker Change: We've enjoyed great engagement and retention from our teams this year, teams that really focused on client D, even as we've driven some significant change to the organization. So I think it's both the fact that in this business...
Speaker Change: major changes like in this particular cycle AI create new roles and new profiles that people need and our team is doing a great job staying in front of clients and converting those opportunities for us.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: I appreciate that. Last question for me, and thank you for entertaining my questions.
Speaker Change: newer businesses adjacent to executive search, interim, I guess even consulting newer than search itself. Are you changing your philosophy at all on how you're managing those businesses?
Speaker Change: to be more profitable and have a focus not just on revenue growth, but profit, did notice some improvement there, and wonder if it's market conditions or a change in approach as well.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I don't think it's either or, it's just really disciplined execution in both businesses. It's not either growth or profit, it's we believe we can profitably grow.
Speaker Change: And the way that those two come together is we know what specific offers in those businesses are most attractive, and scaling those, making sure the growth comes in the areas that are most attractive or with the strongest competitive edge, and scaling up on our great teams and great IP is how we're going to make those businesses grow.
Speaker Change: and others perform at a very high level. So it's not growth or profit. It is a very real focus on growing profitably, and you're seeing us make some progress, and I don't think we're going to get any less intense about that tomorrow. We see a lot of work ahead, even as we've gotten some work done.
Speaker Change: And as a reminder, it is star one if you would like to ask a question. And your next question comes from the line of Kevin Stanky with Barrington Research. Your line is open.
Kevin Stanky: Thanks. I wanted to just ask about
Kevin Stanky: your prepared comments where you really talked about the focus on organic growth. Just wondering if that implies a little bit less intensity in terms of seeking out acquisition opportunities.
Kevin Stanky: or if you still view acquisitions as a.
Kevin Stanky: meaningful, you know, potential
Speaker Change: driver of growth as you go forward here.
Speaker Change: Sure, I'll start with organic, which is we have acquired some pretty powerful capability observing past feeders.
Speaker Change: Acquisition done on-demand talent. We've added capability to Hydra Consulting.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: And job one, obviously, is get those great capabilities in front of as many clients as need help.
Speaker Change: in those areas, which is a huge segment of the economy. So we're always going to start with...
Speaker Change: have we gotten the right solutions in front of the right clients on a truly scaled basis? That's job one when we think business.
Speaker Change: We see a great opportunity to build.
Speaker Change: given the breadth of capabilities we've added. So that's planning horizon and job one is grow the great assets we have organically. That doesn't mean we don't continue to add great capabilities across time, but the value of those next capabilities
Speaker Change: is going to be made evident by how successful we are about bringing these capabilities and integrating them into our offers for clients. So it's just, I think that focus on organic just reflects the fact that we have a much richer and more compelling story to build.
Speaker Change: distinctive, deep, and durable relationships with clients and that's going to be job one. And of course we'll have capabilities across time.
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Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thanks. Circling back on on-demand talent, I believe you mentioned
Speaker Change: The longer contracts or contracts contract extensions
Speaker Change: In that segment, again, you know, I don't know if you'd attribute it to the market improving a bit, the market environment, or your execution, or what led you to highlight that particular trend.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: I'll provide a frame and turn to Steve for a little more detail with the
Speaker Change: Obviously, this is a vast market and we've chosen to compete in some pretty narrow and specific places.
Speaker Change: So I think it speaks more to the highly differentiated strategy we have.
Speaker Change: of key roles that people really, really need to
Speaker Change: to run their business and basically have two basic categories. One category is great interim talent which you can't live without and you need help to get indoors as fast as you can. The second is critical talent.
Speaker Change: where you're never going to have enough way of thinking about a company, let's say, that's going through a major M&A integration. There's a whole bunch of skills they need in that integration period that they don't need forever. So, to some degree, it speaks to the relevance and quality of our value prop in this market right now.
Speaker Change: Steven, I love you. I love you.
Speaker Change: I would say that in Europe we saw more confirmations in non-demand talent and in the U.S. it's...
Speaker Change: It's more of a value-driven proposition. We saw higher contract value. We saw longer and higher extensions. So it was a mix between the two regions on the very good quarter we had there on the Mantello.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Bye.
Speaker Change: I probably should note we also did a lot of work in Q2 to set that business up for success as we entered the back half of the year. We took a sort of new leadership in there. We took some actions to position ourselves for growth in our strongest value proposition areas. That's starting to float through.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Bye-bye.
Speaker Change: Okay, good. You also talked about...
Speaker Change: GNA expenses and that being a source of
Speaker Change: You know ongoing operating leverage as you go to the top line
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think previously the company had been talking about
Speaker Change: and around 15% of revenue, or maybe a little bit less.
Speaker Change: You know is that
Speaker Change: kind of where you're still targeting it, you know, kind of going into 2025, or is there, you think that's just gonna be a source of leverage year after year if you can?
Speaker Change: you know, grow this top line sustainably.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think, you know, obviously we're not going to give you a 25-guide now because we're still finalizing the budget. We'll talk a little more at investigator on how to see the different elements of the P&L coming together, but...
Speaker Change: Obviously if we grow the business effectively, G&A
Speaker Change: should be a source of leverage, but a lot of what we do is also variable cost.
Speaker Change: So on one hand, if we doubled the business tomorrow, I think it's highly unlikely, but.
Speaker Change: The board would double Tom and my salaries, so that's a source of leverage. And other parts of the business, you do need to make sure that you're adding in capability. So it's a source of leverage. We'll give you some context around how we think that flows through, but it's part of the reason we talk about that focus on organic growth, because that's the surest way to get G&A leverage.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Okay, sounds good. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll turn it back over.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: and Krishnan Rajagopalan.
Speaker Change: And that concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Tom Monahan for any closing remarks.
Tom Monahan: Thank you very much.
Tom Monahan: First off, thanks to our colleagues for working to put together a continued track record of incredible client impact and a strong order.
Tom Monahan: Secondly, thanks everyone who dialed in to be brought up to speed on the Hydro story. It's exciting to share what we've got going on and we look forward to continuing to do so. We'll see a number of you out on the road in between now and end of year and hopefully we'll see many, many of you at Investor Day on December 3rd. So we'll be able to go a little deeper into some of the dynamics we talked about and show off some of our leading-edge technology and get to meet some of our exceptional leaderships.
Tom Monahan: So I do hope folks have marked that in their calendar or are planning to do so.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call and we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.