Q3 2024 908 Devices Inc Earnings Call
Hello and welcome to the 908 Devices third quarter 2024 financial results conference call. My name is Elliot and I'll be coordinating your call today. If you would like to register a question during today's events please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker Change: And I'd like to hand over to Kelly Gora with the Gilmartin Group. Please go ahead.
Kelly Gora: Thank you. This morning, 908 Devices released financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024. If you've not received this news release or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an email to ir at 908devices.com.
Kelly Gora: Joining me today from 908 is Kevin Knopp, Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder, and Joe Griffith, Chief Financial Officer.
Kelly Gora: Before we begin, our commentary today will include a presentation of some non-GAAP financial measures.
Kelly Gora: These measures should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in today's earnings press release, which is available in the Investor Relations section of our website.
Kelly Gora: Additionally, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws.
Kelly Gora: These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled Forward-Looking Statements in the press release 908 Devices issued today.
Kelly Gora: For a more complete listing description, please see the risk factors section of the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and in its other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Kelly Gora: Accept as required by law, and enter a device that sustains any intention or obligation to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise.
Speaker Change: This conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast, November 12, 2024. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Kevin.
Kevin Knopp: Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2024 earnings call.
Kevin Knopp: We ended the third quarter with revenue of $16.8 million, an increase of 17% over the prior year period. However, our financial results fell short of expectations.
Kevin Knopp: As we noted in last quarter's earnings call, we expected second half 2024 growth to be driven by our handhelds, including a number of 20-plus unit placement opportunities internationally and domestically.
Kevin Knopp: While we secured many sizable orders and placed 178 handheld devices in total during the third quarter,
Kevin Knopp: Placements were less than expected, in part due to a compressed spending period resulting from the delay in passing the federal budget and delays with advancing international contracts.
Kevin Knopp: In addition, we continue to see softness in the bioprocessing and life science instrumentation market, elongating the sales cycle of our desktop devices.
Kevin Knopp: Our prior 2024 guidance contemplated a quicker and sharper recovery in second half demand, which hasn't yet materialized.
Kevin Knopp: Given the muted 2024 spending environment and the delayed opportunity with the ending of the U.S. government fiscal year, we are appropriately lowering our 2024 revenue guidance to be in the range of $56 million to $58 million, representing 11% to 15% growth.
Kevin Knopp: Joe will provide more detail and our guidance in a few moments.
Kevin Knopp: The end of October marked six months since the closing of our acquisition of RedWave Technology. We continue to be incredibly excited about the union of our two platforms and the rationale for bringing the two companies together remains absolutely unchanged.
Kevin Knopp: As a combined company, we are now better equipped to serve our customers by offering a full, best-in-class portfolio of innovative handheld devices paired with world-class service, training, and comprehensive decision support.
reflecting back on our learnings over the last six months.
Kevin Knopp: combined with the shifting dynamics in the markets we serve across our entire portfolio, it's become even more evident that operationally, our harmonized platform creates a path for further cost efficiency and expanded gross margins for all of our products. We are implementing three structural adjustments to fully realize this.
Kevin Knopp: We are at a turning point and believe now is the right time to lead into these changes and accelerate the transformation of 908 as we prepare for 2025 and the growth beyond.
Kevin Knopp: First, we will move manufacturing out of Boston by the end of Q3 2025 to our facilities in Morrisville, North Carolina and Danbury, Connecticut, which are lower-cost manufacturing locations.
Kevin Knopp: We successfully moved production of our consumable chips to North Carolina earlier this year and this site will now take on production of our desktop devices.
Kevin Knopp: We completed the expansion of our Danbury facility in the third quarter, and this site will manufacture all of our handheld devices going forward, including our U.S. Department of Defense AbCAD product in partnerships with Smith Detection in the potential full-rate production phase.
Kevin Knopp: Our Danbury site offers a roughly 75% reduction in facility rent costs compared to Boston and this will be leveraged over time to expand device gross margins for our highest volume products, our handhelds.
representing approximately 2.4 million of annual savings starting in 2026.
Kevin Knopp: Second, we have right-sized our bioprocessing and life science instrumentation efforts for current market growth. Last week, we took the action to reduce our workforce by 11%, which included positions in sales, marketing, and R&D.
Kevin Knopp: This reduction is expected to save approximately $4.2 million annually, and importantly, enhances our team's agility to capitalize on opportunities as the industry recovers.
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Kevin Knopp: We're optimizing our full sales organization for new efficiency, focus, and flexibility to quickly take advantage of growth opportunities.
Kevin Knopp: For our handhelds, this includes taking a page from the RedWave playbook and efficiently driving device sales through inside sales efforts with virtual demos and leverage of their established Try Before You Buy program, which combined represented about 25% of RedWave sales year-to-date.
Kevin Knopp: For Desktops, we are leaning further into our strategy to pursue biopharma partnerships with equipment innovators, particularly in the cell and gene therapy space.
Kevin Knopp: To expand our account reach, we will step back from our subscale international direct sales team to gain a larger presence through specialized channel partners in the bioprocessing space across Europe going forward. This model has proven effective for our forensics team.
Kevin Knopp: With these adjustments, we remain confident in our ability to operate in a lower growth environment and capture the opportunities in front of us. But we're also looking forward and remain excited to create an acceleration of growth and believe we remain well-resourced to achieve this.
Kevin Knopp: With our assessment we've identified five key elements to accelerate our growth in the near, medium, and long term.
1. Increasing enterprise adoption of FTR handhelds.
Kevin Knopp: A strength of 908's commercial engine is the ability to penetrate and radiate across government enterprise accounts.
Kevin Knopp: Just over the last few months, MX-908 was adopted into multiple global enterprise accounts, including the Vietnam Border Guard, the EU Drug Detect Program for Prisons, and the U.S. National Guard Bureau Counterdrug Program.
Kevin Knopp: For our FTR products, we secured initial purchases with the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and the U.S. Navy in Q3.
Kevin Knopp: Now, six months into our prospecting, we've already identified hundreds of units of enterprise potential for FJR handhelds.
Kevin Knopp: These large enterprise opportunities take time, sometimes years, to develop, but it's great to see strong initial pipeline development.
Kevin Knopp: We're pleased to see RedWay's products, including the newest Explorer device, following MX908's trajectory and making inroads with large government customers, which represents a previously untapped opportunity.
Kevin Knopp: We anticipate that our new Explorer product will be a major contributor as year-to-date placements are already double those of all of 2023.
Kevin Knopp: Number two, creating an upgrade cycle with the next generation of our MX-908 handheld.
Kevin Knopp: Over 2,500 MX908 devices have been deployed since its release in late 2017.
Kevin Knopp: We're preparing to disrupt the market yet again with the release of a next-generation device within the next two years, offering a step change in performance and simplicity with half the size and weight, a lower cost of goods, and a higher pull-through opportunity.
Kevin Knopp: 3. Winning the full-rate production award for the U.S. Department of Defense AVCAP program in partnership with Smiths Detection.
Kevin Knopp: We are developing a complementary variant of the MX-908 for program-wide adoption across the U.S. Armed Services, which represent thousands of units potential.
Kevin Knopp: To date, under the low-rate initial production contract, we have delivered approximately 100 units together with Smiths.
Kevin Knopp: The next phase is full-rate production, which is anticipated to result in over $10 million annually. The milestone decision is anticipated within the government's 2025 fiscal year.
Number four, return of biopharmacopathic spending for novel instruments.
Kevin Knopp: Marker reports on biopharma R&D spending and on the cell and gene therapy outlook give us confidence that the industry will return to growth. The need for novel process analytical tools is fundamental and remains a key point of emphasis for both regulators and frontline workers.
Kevin Knopp: Last year, we launched two game-changing process analytical technology, or PAT, devices, Maven and Maverick.
Kevin Knopp: While we've had good customer engagement, we've seen prolonged product trials and evaluations. On the positive, our pipeline of engagements for MAVEN now includes multiple 12-plus unit opportunities across PDE and GMP manufacturing, and we expect Maverick to follow suit.
Kevin Knopp: We are expecting sequential improvements in desktops for Q4 and expect this pipeline to more significantly convert as funding headwinds lessen over the next 12 months.
Five, partner integrations reaching scale.
Kevin Knopp: We continue to believe an efficient path to market and scale for our desktop devices is through integration partnerships with the innovators of process equipment.
Kevin Knopp: We have previously announced projects with Solaris and Terumo-BTT, and we are progressing well with a pipeline of more than six others, across biologics and cell therapies.
Kevin Knopp: For Q4, about half of our anticipated desktop orders are a result of this effort, which was started formally only in Q1 this year.
Kevin Knopp: Many of these growth elements are now coming into view as a result of the hard work and dedication of our team and the relentless pursuit of our three focus areas, market expansion, portfolio engagement, and operational excellence.
For that, I thank our entire team.
Kevin Knopp: While we aren't expecting a V-shaped recovery in our demand environment, we see encouraging signs of improvement. Stepping back, strong second half seasonality has been the norm for our handheld portfolio since the 2017 launch of our flagship MX908 device.
Kevin Knopp: Our government sales team has done a fantastic job executing on these large, multi-unit government opportunities over the past seven years, delivering a 27% organic revenue growth CAGR between 2018 and 2023.
Kevin Knopp: Handheld growth has certainly been, and continues to be, lumpy at times, evidenced by our Q3 results and expectations into Q4. But the positive trend line is clear, and remains clear.
Kevin Knopp: New opportunities for growth paired alongside margin expansion opportunities in our fixed cost and manufacturing operations sets up 2025 to be a transformative year for us, and we plan to provide additional color related to our growth and margin trajectory in subsequent calls.
Speaker Change: With that, I'll now turn the call over to Joe for more detail on our financials.
Joe Griffith: Thanks, Kevin. Revenue for the third quarter 2024 was $16.8 million, up 17% from $14.3 million in the prior year period, primarily driven by an increase in handheld device revenue.
Joe Griffith: Handheld revenue serving the forensics market was $14 million for the third quarter 2024, up 19% from $11.7 million for the third quarter 2023.
Joe Griffith: This increase was driven primarily by revenue related to our recently acquired FDIR products and an increase in service revenue.
Joe Griffith: We shipped 178 handheld devices in the third quarter, up from 117 devices in the third quarter of 2023, bringing our installed base to 2,796.
Joe Griffith: As a reminder, in the third quarter 2023, we recognized $2.4 million of revenue from our initial low-rate production delivery under the U.S. Department of Defense AFCAD program.
Joe Griffith: Our core handheld growth for the third quarter was 20% when we exclude the AvCAD delivery and contributions of RedWave in the third quarter of 2024.
Joe Griffith: Revenue from our desktop products serving the life science instrumentation and bioprocessing markets for the third quarter 2024 was 2.8 million, increasing 8% from 2.5 million in the prior year period.
Eight desktop devices were placed in the third quarter.
Joe Griffith: We ended the third quarter 2024 with a cumulative handheld and desktop install base of 3,253 devices, up 20% from 2,714 at the end of the third quarter 2023.
Joe Griffith: Recurring revenue, which consists of consumables, accessories and service revenue, represented 36% of total revenues this quarter and was 6.1 million, a 70% or 2.5 million increase over the prior year period, largely driven by service.
Joe Griffith: Recurring revenue in the third quarter consisted of $3.9 million related to handhelds and $2.2 million related to desktops.
Joe Griffith: Rebel utilization remained at approximately half a kip per month for our active users, which has been a consistent run rate.
Joe Griffith: Looking ahead, we expect recurring revenue for our product portfolio to be in the mid-30s as a percent of product and service revenue for the full year 2024.
Joe Griffith: Gross profit was $8.3 million for the third quarter of 2024, compared to $7.9 million for the prior year period. Gross margin was 50% for the third quarter of 2024, compared to 55% for the prior year period.
Joe Griffith: Adjusted gross profit was $9.3 million for the third quarter of 2024 compared to $8.1 million for the prior year period. Adjusted gross margin was 55% as compared to 57% for the prior year period.
Joe Griffith: The decrease in gross margin was partly due to a higher mix of service revenue and favorable manufacturing variances in the third quarter of 2023.
Joe Griffith: For the first nine months of 2024, adjusted gross margin was 56%, as compared to 52% for the prior year period.
Joe Griffith: Over the longer term, we continue to expect volume-based improvements to our gross margins as we achieve better leverage over fixed costs.
Joe Griffith: Additionally, we expect adjusted gross margin to be in the mid 50s for the full year 2024, with further expansion in 2025 and beyond as we consolidate our manufacturing facilities.
Joe Griffith: Total operating expenses for the third quarter of 2024 were $38.5 million, compared to $17 million in the prior year period.
Joe Griffith: The increase in operating expenses was driven by a $30.5 million non-cash goodwill impairment charge.
Joe Griffith: the inclusion of operating expenses related to our acquisition of Redwood and stock-based compensation.
Joe Griffith: This was offset in part by a $12.1 million credit for an adjustment to the valuation of our contingent consideration liability.
Joe Griffith: Excluding the impact of the non-cash goodwill impairment charge and contingent consideration liability, total operating expenses for the third quarter of 2024 increased $3.2 million, including a half million increase in stock-based compensation.
Joe Griffith: The additional $2.7 million increase was primarily due to increased costs associated with the Red Wave acquisition, our first full quarter of ownership.
Joe Griffith: Net loss for the third quarter of 2024 was $29.3 million compared to $7.1 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was a loss of $6.9 million compared to $5.7 million for the prior year period.
Joe Griffith: We ended the third quarter of 2024 with $71.7 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities with no debt outstanding.
Joe Griffith: We consume less than $6 million of cash in the quarter and have used $27.6 million in operating cash during the first nine months of 2024.
Joe Griffith: We expect to finish the year with cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities in the mid 60 million range. We remain well resourced to operate in a lower growth environment and execute on our 2025 transformation and the five identified growth drivers.
Speaker Change: As Kevin shared earlier, in line with learnings from our first six months of RedWave ownership, we have implemented three structural adjustments to create a path for further cost efficiency and expanded growth margins for all of our products.
Speaker Change: This sets us up for more than $7.5 million of annual savings, with approximately $4.2 million starting in 2025.
Speaker Change: Looking ahead in 2024, we now expect revenue to be in the range of $56-58 million, representing reported growth of 11-15% over full year 2023. This compares to our prior range of $63-65 million.
Our updated revenue guidance includes the following assumptions.
Speaker Change: First, we are lowering our revenue guidance for the core nine-way business and now expect an eight to 4% decline over full year 2023.
Speaker Change: Our previous guidance range included a number of 20-plus unit handheld orders expected to close before the U.S. government's fiscal year end.
Speaker Change: A few of these larger deals did not materialize in the third quarter, and in one case, a last-minute reduction in our customers' funding resulted in a smaller multi-unit placement win.
Speaker Change: Due to delays with the federal budget and based on our customer meetings in October, many of these opportunities are pushing to 2025 and will require a new budget to initiate purchases.
Speaker Change: The uncertainties of the election have also led to certain customers pausing available spending in a potential changing environment, given a changing administration.
Speaker Change: Desktops are continuing to experience headwinds in the recovery market for preclinical instrumentation, resulting in a reduction in our fourth quarter expectations.
Speaker Change: We now expect a decline in year-over-year revenue in the low teens versus potential growth. That said, we're encouraged by positive signs of stabilization in our demand environment and we are tracking towards sequential improvement in desktops in the fourth quarter.
Speaker Change: Second, we now expect approximately $10 million in 2024 reported revenue from Redwood, which represents approximately 10% pro forma growth and reflects 8 months of ownership. This compares to our prior expectations of $11 million.
Speaker Change: The reduction is mainly due to the timing of international placements, which are requiring a longer sales cycle and more nurturing than first anticipated.
Speaker Change: on a pro forma basis, assuming Red Wave ownership for the full year 2023.
Speaker Change: Our updated revenue guidance implies a 5 to 2% year-over-year pro forma decline.
Speaker Change: For the full year, we continue to expect adjusted gross margins to be in the mid-50s range, possibly pulling back a bit from our nine-month adjusted gross margin of 56% due to a higher mix of international sales in the fourth quarter of 2024 and timing of our production builds in the year.
Speaker Change: As Kevin mentioned, we expect 2025 to be a transformational year for 908. We've implemented a number of strategic initiatives targeting a re-acceleration of top-line growth, margin expansion, and cost optimization.
Speaker Change: Combined with an improved market opportunity, we expect 2025 to represent a key transition year, supporting improved growth and scalability.
Speaker Change: At this point, I would like to turn the call back to Kevin.
Kevin Knopp: Thanks, Joe. I certainly recognize that Q3 orders did not fully meet our expectations, requiring a reset on our full year. But our multi-year growth trajectory remains healthy and sustainable. I further recognize that the integration with RedWave is hard work and can be disruptive.
Kevin Knopp: But these are near-term impacts and the prize is realizing the clear operational efficiencies and benefits we've outlined and executing on the five identified drivers of growth to transform and scale our business.
Kevin Knopp: As we move forward, we will focus on these initiatives, accelerating synergies, further lowering our cost basis, expanding our margin, and driving us towards profitability, while being good stewards of cash and, importantly, setting ourselves up to overperform and win.
Kevin Knopp: I'd like to emphasize that we are an innovation-driven company with a robust pipeline of products designed to outperform traditional tools and unlock new critical-to-life applications.
Kevin Knopp: We believe that the strategic update we announced today not only reduces costs but, more importantly, positions us for sustainable, scalable growth as we aim to be the global leader in point-of-need chemical analysis across forensics, biocrafting, and life science research.
Kevin Knopp: I'm excited and enthusiastic for what lies ahead. With that, we'll now open it up for questions.
Speaker Change: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question please press star followed by 2.
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Speaker Change: First question comes from Puneet Suda with Lerink Partners. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Yeah, hi, Kevin. Thanks for the questions here. First one.
Speaker Change: You know, I understand the challenges of the life sciences and market. We've been seeing that for the last year, but the magnitude of the guy down at this point, even after accounting for ABCAD, I mean, it raises a question if there are any.
Speaker Change: structural or competitive issues in the handheld market beyond the, you know, agencies that you're selling these products into.
Speaker Change: So just wanted to understand if the, you know, is it largely the pushing out of the budgets because of political uncertainty, which is obviously not lost on anyone, but just wondering if it is that is the.
Speaker Change: And on the desktop side, you know, how should we think about the recovery in first half 25? You pointed to sequential improvement here. Should we assume that sequential improvement to continue into first half?
Yeah, thanks, Puneet. Thanks for your questions there. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker Change: And we are also pleased today to talk about our largest account win here in APAC with the Vietnam border guard. So yeah, I agree that it is more of a timing with a budget uncertainty that really came into play here. And so some of the orders we saw really fall out of the quarter with that end of the U.S. government fiscal year.
Speaker Change: Joe mentioned, as prepared Mark, a little bit around the election, some pausing, just some, call it, call it rethink there, always some uncertainty that can develop and
Speaker Change: Absolutely, I don't see any structural, any competitive, any other dynamic playing out here. Absolutely, I don't. These customers all have a very clear need for a certain number of devices and they're working to get budget to do that in a particular period.
Speaker Change: Some cases they were able to win with them and get an order this quarter. And in some cases that order was a little bit smaller just due to, again, lack of...
Speaker Change: Timing, visibility, and the ability to actually contract purchases in a very compressed government fiscal year. So no structural change there. From a desktop recovery perspective, yeah, it's a little bit like we've continued to see here, headwinds in the desktop placements, and largely we haven't seen much change to that, you know, sales cycle taking longer. For our novel technology in that preclinical instrumentation space, we did mention that we do expect a quarter-over-quarter step up in desktop device placements in Q3, and that really is being driven around our partnership initiative that we started formally earlier this year, which gives us confidence in that, and it's really
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Speaker Change: And I think being pretty hidden on first half of 2025 and in desktop there is a bit of Q4 step up each year with the year-end budget each year can vary so over the first half of 24 we're about 2.5 million a quarter should be able to get to that level in the first half makes sense but probably not at the Q4 step up level.
off of the $2.3 million in Q3.
Speaker Change: Look, if I recall, 908 has always been traditionally been lean compared to most companies in the space.
Speaker Change: You had a workforce reduction earlier in the year as well, and now additional 11% reduction. So, just wondering, you know, the size of the organization, is it right sized for the current times? And just wondering if the markets were to recover.
Speaker Change: Would you be equipped with enough workforce to capitalize on that? And just wondering if the workforce reductions were within U.S. or more outside of U.S.?
Speaker Change: Yeah, absolutely. Always very sensitive to make sure that we have the capabilities to take on opportunities as they develop. We really believe we do. And we really believe that reducing the workforce was across sales and marketing, and it was across R&D and a little bit in COGS.
Speaker Change: US, but definitely some international for sure. In the case of our desktops, really we just needed to work on right-sizing that a bit. It's been a rough eight quarters in that life-size CapEx environment and the timing of that recovery is still a bit.
Speaker Change: more maybe gradual than a sharp snapback. So with that, we really worked to resize our team there, but we do think we have all the capabilities that we need to drive growth. We are continuing to leverage a direct sales force in the US and we do have a hybrid direct distribution approach that we're now gonna lean more on distribution across Europe to get a broader footprint than we've had before. And then distribution in APAC, which has an interesting pipeline. It's really been developing nicely for us. And then on top of that, as we mentioned, we're really pushing on those partnerships, really looking at a way to have a force multiplier on top of our direct efforts. So we believe that we're well resourced for now.
Speaker Change: to drive growth in the future. And to be honest, I think by having a sharper focus team, we'll be able to drive efficiencies. And just, we're now at that point with new products in this environment, you're doing a lot of tests and trials, connecting dots, senior level selling, and I think we're gonna be better equipped for that.
Okay, thank you. I'll leave it there.
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Speaker Change: We now turn to Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Sam Martin on for Matt LeRoux and William Blair. Just two quick questions.
Speaker Change: So one, just focusing in on really how a new administration might really change things on the handheld side in terms of priorities and timing, and just kind of thinking about the different puts and takes there. What sort of...
impact are you anticipating initially in terms of
For the reductions.
Speaker Change: for the pullback in spend, and is there any way that this new administration could also impact some of the demand and some spending on the desktop side given their priorities?
Speaker Change: in terms of funding might be a little bit different. And then on the desktop side, I think you referenced about eight quarters of CapEx weakness in the life sciences space. So just in terms of the rationalization of bioprocessing instruments. So near term.
Speaker Change: Are you kind of looking across your portfolio and seeing what might be stale, what you might need to cut? And then long term, is it sort of changing what you invest in and what you're not investing in or how you invest?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker Change: So starting first with the handheld and the election piece there. Yeah, I think
Speaker Change: When there is an election, it certainly can cause a little bit of a shift, particularly amongst the, call it, middle ranks that are getting their priorities, depending upon the administration and, of course, across those senior ranks. I think if you look across the DEA and military spending since 2000, you'd see that there's been a consistent low, mid-single-digit growth range, really regardless of administrations. So I think there are some experts out there predicting that we may have an increase in the U.S. defense budget. And I think one of the areas that we may see a positive is on the contracting delays. We mentioned part of our Q3 difficulties in getting some of these opportunities closed.
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Speaker Change: could maybe some barriers might go down there. So that we'll have to wait and see on that. And there is a ripple effect, just regardless of the administration. But you know, obviously, international is important to us for our business has been a growing percent of our business over time. And now I think with the NATO, with uncertainty, unrest across Middle East, it does put pressure on the NATO countries to step up. And there has been pronouncements there around investments in new major equipment modernization. So I think perhaps internationally, there could be some positives as well. In terms of the desktops,
Speaker Change: Most of our desktops are coming from the preclinical area of biopharma, not directly from the start. We have some, of course, that are start-up NIH-funded, but a lot of ours, we're really focused on developing accounts across the largest top 20 pharma. So I'm not sure I see a direct election correlation I could speak of in a meaningful way here today, but...
Hope that gives you some color on your question.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah, that's helpful. And then I just my second question on really kind of priorities across the the desktop portfolio and where you're looking Yeah, yeah, absolutely
Oh, yeah.
Speaker Change: Yeah, on that one. Sorry, I didn't address that immediately here. Yeah, so we're really excited that we have a pretty fresh desktop portfolio, right? We've got four products, two released just last year. These are all PAT tools. They're fundamentally driven by the needs to control the process and better those outcomes. Yeah, we don't really see a change in that or a rationalization of those products. A lot of hard work is going on, as I said, to get through tests and evaluation. We mentioned that some of our Maven pipeline now that we're calling it a couple of years into that product is starting to develop. We are talking more about GMP deployments. We are talking more about things on a multi-unit.
Speaker Change: orders and opportunities within our pipeline. So really, we're heads down there, trying to smartly get through evaluations and engage folks on how this can be deployed across process development and manufacturing.
Thank you. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Jacob Johnson with Stevens. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Hi, this is Hannah Hefley on for
Speaker Change: Jacob, thanks for taking the questions. On the CGT end market, you've announced a number of partnerships with hardware innovators in your space. How should we think about these relationships driving desktop growth in coming years? Is there any way to frame up any initial contributions from these relationships?
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks Hannah. Certainly that area of strategic collaborations and these partnerships.
Speaker Change: in the cell and gene space, but even more broadly into the biologic hardware innovators, too. There can be some near-term revenue impact, but we really believe that it creates a lot of value longer term as we get through and scale with these partners. We're working to get our technologies designed in, partnered, or in some cases more of a co-marketing relationship with these organizations, really working to get this new novel technologies developed in by our collaborators. We announced Solaris and Tarumo and that we're actively engaged with those accounts, but we're working with a handful of others that are quite exciting to us, as well, and really trying to get alliances there for the simple automated PET tools that we provide. So, as you know, cell therapy...
Speaker Change: , and we are providing real-time monitoring solutions and we don't have sampling risks on it. Ultimately this strategy should impact our revenue and we do expect it to be helpful to us. It should be thought of as initial collaborator placements and engagement and the first steps with those.
Speaker Change: companies, but you know this integration strategy could create an inflection point for us as we go because again it's really an ability for us to to scale out in a little more efficient way and then yeah so I think it's a it's a great strategic effort for us. It's an effort we started just formally in Q1 and it's already starting to bear fruit and we've become more and more convinced it's the right thing to layer onto our direct sales.
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Speaker Change: All right, thanks. And then as it relates to desktop demand.
Speaker Change: Have you seen any changes in the competitive landscape for desktops, or do you think that
Speaker Change: This is still just largely macro-driven. And then, could you update us on how consumable pull-through is trending for desktops?
Speaker Change: challenges with prolonged cycles with the availability of CAPEX. So I wouldn't say there's any competitive dynamic we've seen. We're not seeing anything or new surprises on that. Of course, we've got new technology, so you have to always go out and prove your worth compared to what's out there with our Maven and our Maverick. But nothing new or concerning to report there on my radar.
Speaker Change: And from a consumable revenue perspective or recurring revenue, it's really been consistent over the last eight quarters and on level utilization, it's remained at about half a kip per month.
Speaker Change: for our active users and our recurring revenues in total, about $6.2 million for the core. About $2 million of that was related to our desktop. So we're seeing a path to being in the mid-30s as a percent of total product and service.
Speaker Change: Sales, a lot of that is service-driven, but also an important piece is the desktop consumables, which I mentioned, it's about $2 million in the quarter.
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All right, thanks. I'll leave it there.
Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Our final question comes from Chad Wytroski with TD Cohen. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Hey guys, this is Chad on for Brendan Smith.
Speaker Change: Just on the MX-908 sort of next-gen instrument, what are the main pain points that you're seeing that would drive that replacement cycle among the existing customers? And then beyond that, would the product enhancements also have the chance at expanding that market?
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Mx 908. It's now been about seven years and we were able to have a pay here of 27% between that 2018 and 2023, so good growth there. And now we have over 25%
Speaker Change: actually more than 2,700 of our MX908s out there. So we really think it is a great opportunity to disrupt that once again and kind of bring an upgrade cycle. These customers do value outside of call it just CapEx refreshment cycles, which you expect to be in that seven to 10 year period, right, we're getting up on that now.
Speaker Change: but you can also drive some of these cycles earlier, in our opinion, by operating a step change of things. It could be size, weight, performance in terms of simplicity, workflow, user operations. We're working to do all those things, and at the same time, trying to do it with the lower cost of goods and having technology and connectivity capabilities in there to help us further have recurring revenue opportunities over time that we can develop on it. To us, it's a major new release that will be coming in the next couple of years, and it's absolutely one of our priority R&D projects for us, and we think it should get exciting given the growth we've seen over the last seven years and the number of placements that are out there. But then in addition, I would say we're...
Speaker Change: We're very fortunate and pleased that we have a fuller portfolio with the Red Rib Acquisition. We now have four products across that space, including our Explorer that we made in our prepared remarks that's been growing really, really nicely. So I think all of these help broaden the groups that we can get to, broaden out the number of customers that we can get to, as well as addressing those immediate replacement cycles.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: built in place today and able to be executed? Or is this going to take a few quarters to build out these technologies and transition them over to the legacy 908 devices?
Speaker Change: Yeah, look, I mean, we're six months into the acquisition. I think we're still very excited about it. We see all sorts of synergies that we've tried to articulate today, definitely revenue synergies in addition to cost synergies, definitely learnings that we can do to better our ability to get more efficiently at these customers. You touched on two that we think are straight out of the Red Wave playbook, if you will, try before you buy, more virtual demos, a little bit into your last question, as we kind of broaden with the Explorer, the number of customers that can see a need and capability requirement for it. It helps us get there. So, yeah, one of the three structural adjustments that we're talking about today
Speaker Change: really to align all of our Salesforce efforts, desktops teams, but also within our handheld team to take advantage of such programs. And you're right, those are pre-existing for RedWay products. We're gonna look to see how far we can use those in the, with MX908 products, but importantly, making sure that we're embracing and scaling those within the 908 commercial engine for the FTIR products as we go forward. So yeah, it will take some time. Obviously, we're six months in. I think we've made great strides on the integration. We announced some further big steps for taking today there, but yeah, a lot more to come.
Thanks for the questions, guys.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: We have no further questions, so I'll now hand back to Kevin Knopp for any final remarks.
Kevin Knopp: Thank you all. Thank you all for joining our call today and we appreciate it and have a great day.
Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen, today's call is now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
and Kevin Knopp. Thank you. Thank you.