Q3 2024 Perella Weinberg Partners Earnings Call
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Shapiro: Good morning and welcome to the Perella Weinberg Partners 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode, and following management's prepared remarks, the call will be open for your questions.
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Shapiro: Please be advised that today's call is being recorded, and I will now turn the call over to Taylor Reinhardt, Head of Communications and Marketing. You may begin.
Taylor Reinhardt: Thank you, operator, and welcome all. Joining me today are Andrew Bednar, Chief Executive Officer, and Alex Gottschalk, Chief Financial Officer.
Taylor Reinhardt: Before we begin, I'd like to note that this call may contain forward-looking statements, including Perla Weinberg's expectations of future financial and business performance and conditions and industry outlook.
Taylor Reinhardt: Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in the forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future events or performance.
Taylor Reinhardt: Please refer to Perla Weinberg's most recent SEC filings for a discussion of certain of these risks and uncertainties.
Taylor Reinhardt: The forward-looking statements are based on our current beliefs and expectations, and the firm undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Taylor Reinhardt: During the call, there will also be a discussion of some metrics, which are non-GAAP financial measures, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business.
Speaker Change: Karla Weinberg has reconciled these items to the most comparable GAP measures in the press release filed with today's Form 8K, which can be found on the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Andrew Bednar to discuss our results.
Andrew Bednar: Thank you, Taylor, and good morning. We are pleased to report another quarterly record for the firm. In the third quarter, we reported revenues of $278 million, up 100% year over year.
Andrew Bednar: and our year-to-date revenues at $652 million are up 50% year-over-year and are the highest first nine months in the firm's history.
Andrew Bednar: And with our fourth quarter revenues tracking at a similar level to those seen in Q4 2023, we remain on pace to deliver strong results for the full year 2024.
Andrew Bednar: Our results reported today reflect top-line growth across our businesses, driven by an increase in larger fee events.
Andrew Bednar: This is an encouraging trend and reflects both our deliberate strategic positioning and business selection optimization, as well as a deepening of trusted relationships with both new and existing clients.
Andrew Bednar: Our team is firing on all cylinders and the results speak for themselves. I could not be more proud of our teammates and what they have achieved.
Andrew Bednar: Our business momentum signals that we are in the early stages of a multi-year growth cycle in the transaction markets.
Andrew Bednar: Corporate activity, which supported our franchise through the down cycle, has accelerated, and while announced activity from sponsors continues to lag corporates, the desire to transact among sponsors is increasing.
Andrew Bednar: At the same time, restructuring and liability management support and the need for creative financing solutions remain in high demand.
Andrew Bednar: We are seeing these trends across industries and geographies and believe we have increasingly strong tailwinds at our back.
Across the firm, we are investing in growth.
Andrew Bednar: Since our last call, we have added two partners with client coverage in consumer health, wellness, beauty, and personal care, and in transportation, leasing, and logistics.
Andrew Bednar: These investments in talent, plus others made in prior years, are investments in client relationships and are already yielding results.
Andrew Bednar: We have also continued to invest at the Managing Director level, bolstering that rank with two additional hires to deepen our client coverage and strengthen our internal partner pipeline.
Andrew Bednar: Our performance to date in 2024 reflects an improving operating environment, but even more so represents the underlying strength of our client-focused franchise.
Andrew Bednar: We are successfully executing on our strategy to achieve scale, while simultaneously solidifying our position as a leader in providing independent advice.
especially in larger and more complex situations.
Andrew Bednar: Simply put, we are achieving what we said we would, and we feel no constraint. Rather, we see an exceptional opportunity to drive long-term growth. We look forward to continuing to deliver superior results for our clients and increased returns for our shareholders.
Alex Gottschalk: Alex, I'll now turn the call over to you to review our financial results and capital management in more detail.
Alex Gottschalk: Thank you, Andrew. Our adjusted compensation ratio for the first nine months was 68% and continues to represent our estimate for our full year accrual.
Alex Gottschalk: Our adjusted non-compensation expense was $38 million for the third quarter and $116 million year-to-date. Adjusted non-compensation continues to trend approximately 10% above last year's level, entirely in line with our expectations.
Alex Gottschalk: Our adjusted tax rate was 29% for the first nine months, and we now anticipate that our tax rate for the full year will be below 30%.
Alex Gottschalk: At the end of the third quarter, we had 57 million shares, Class A common stock, and approximately 31 million partnership units outstanding.
Alex Gottschalk: Compared to our share count at June 30, our public float increased 9%, while our total shares outstanding only increased 3%, resulting in part from divesting of stock-based compensation units and from partnership units electing to exchange into Class A common stock.
Alex Gottschalk: We remain committed to managing our share count to mitigate dilution from stock-based compensation. Year-to-date, we have retired more than 12 million shares and share equivalents through a combination of repurchase, unit exchange for cash, and net settlement.
Alex Gottschalk: We ended the quarter with $335 million in cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments, and no debt. This morning, we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share. With that, Operator, please open the line for questions.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And at this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. We'll take our first question from Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks. Good morning, Andrew and Alex. How are you?
Good morning, Devin. Hi.
Speaker Change: Just want to start on just kind of big picture on revenues. Obviously, it's been a great start to 2024, revenue up 50 percent.
Speaker Change: year-to-date against the backdrop of pretty modest growth in M&A and that's obviously pretty significantly outperforming other independent investment banks, so I'd love to just
Speaker Change: Digging a little bit around what you would attribute the degree about performance to And then Andrew you mentioned the business is hitting on all cylinders, but at the same time We're kind of in the early innings of a recovery. So just love to kind of maybe think about
Speaker Change: the, you know, kind of the growth algorithm from here and how you guys are feeling after, you know, what's a great start to the year. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks, Devin. Look, we're feeling good, and certainly the events of this week gives us even more optimism that we're going to see continued increasing activity in the transaction markets that we're in, so I think that's shared by the industry broadly and was reflected in some of the price moves in our
in our stocks, in our industry on Wednesday.
Speaker Change: You know, we're closing in on $3 trillion of announced M&A this year. It's going to be up something like 20%.
Speaker Change: You are correct, we are up more than double that in our business. It continues to reflect our growth story, the fact that we are a smaller scale.
and a faster-growing participant in our industry.
Speaker Change: As I've mentioned in prior calls, we are really well positioned with where the activity has been, which has largely been dominated by corporates.
Speaker Change: Rather than sponsors in this early part of the cycle. I do think that'll change over time
Speaker Change: We are a bit more weighted toward corporates and we continue to benefit from that.
We've also broadened out our
Speaker Change: suite of services, often people call them products, we refer to them as services to our client base. By expanding the product and services set, we're able to capture more of that wallet and deepen our relationship with clients. So,
Speaker Change: It's not any one thing, Devin. It's kind of everything. And right now, as I mentioned, we're firing on all cylinders. That doesn't mean it will be a straight line up to the right.
We all anticipate turbulence and...
volatility along the way, but the trends are right now.
Speaker Change: very, very clear and very accommodative for future M&A activity, for sure.
Thank you for watching!
Speaker Change: Great, thanks Andrew. And then just one on the contribution of the non-M&A businesses, maybe pick on restructuring and liability management, you know, it seems like you guys have gained
Speaker Change: Some nice market share there, you know, that doesn't always get reflected in the data that we can track easily. So, I'd love to just, you know, maybe get some perspective around
Speaker Change: how you would frame how much kind of those non-M&A businesses are contributing in the current environment, particularly restructuring liability management, and if you can frame that relative to maybe other periods. And then just given how strong I think those businesses have been, your confidence or thoughts around the ability to grow these non-M&A advice businesses from here, and can that happen in conjunction with a M&A recovery? Thanks.
Speaker Change: You bet yeah, both businesses are growing and so both businesses are up
Speaker Change: As you know, and I've mentioned on prior calls, we don't operate the businesses as business lines and as product or service lines, we are
Speaker Change: a client-centric firm, and so we think about clients, we think about coverage.
Speaker Change: and we think about, you know, geography but within industry coverage as a...
model for how we operate the business, so we don't
Speaker Change: We don't look at product or service line P&Ls. We look at clients and how we're covering our clients. And as I said earlier, expanding the capabilities of the firm when you already have a strong existing client relationship does lead to more revenue opportunities, which we are seeing.
Speaker Change: And so I'm very, very pleased with the integrated approach that we have with our
Speaker Change: restructuring and liability management team with our debt advisory team with our shareholder analytics and engagement advisory team alongside our traditional M&A business. M&A is largely driving
Speaker Change: The increases that we're seeing, but it's very much in tandem with our other service lines and restructuring and liability management being a key one. We don't make it easy. I know. Neither does the industry on on segmenting that and providing exact detail. And I know the public.
Speaker Change: data sources have trouble doing that but again for us we look at it as a client-centric model not as a product or service line.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Thanks, Andrew. I'll leave it there and let someone else ask. Appreciate it. Thanks, Evan.
Speaker Change: Thank you and we'll take our next question from Brendan O'Brien with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
Brendan O'brien: Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. To start, I want to touch on something you alluded to in response to Evan's question, just on corporates.
Brendan O'brien: Corporate M&A has obviously been leading over the past couple of years, leading to some belief that you're going to see greater acceleration in sponsor activity from here. However, given the
Brendan O'brien: Expectation for easier antitrust regime under the Trump administration. I was hoping you could help give us a sense as to how meaningful of an impact the tougher antitrust backdrop has been over the past few years and how meaningful of a tailwind that could be going forward.
Brendan O'brien: Several thousand M&A transactions a year in the United States. There's only been two dozen or so enforcement actions and probably under 20
Brendan O'brien: of the transaction participants against the FTC and the DOJ. So, overall, that part of it has not been the story. To us, the storyline has been the chilling impact.
Brendan O'brien: that the timeline to closing has created through, you know, a stronger muscle from the antitrust regulators. And so if you're
Brendan O'brien: The longer timeline to close is a high, high risk proposition because you don't know exactly what you're getting if it's going to take a year or more to get some of these transactions closed. And so the risk reward equation has changed and that's really the big impact over the last two years, it's put some transactions.
Brendan O'brien: You know on the shelf that I do think will come back And it's and again been costly in terms of timeline to get things signed and closed And I do think that under a lighter touch regulator Will be an accelerant for the M&A business
Thank you.
Speaker Change: That's helpful context. And for my follow-up, I just want to touch on recruiting. You've been running a bit below your recruiting target over the last couple of years. I understand part of that was a conscious choice to undergo the expense initiative last year, but I want to get a sense as to what you're seeing in the recruiting environment today and how we should be thinking about partner growth from here.
Speaker Change: Yeah, we're running a little bit below trend. We said when we went out as a public company back in June of 21 that
Speaker Change: You know, we have our targets. It'll be a little bit uneven and, you know, we're in an uneven period. We're seeing a lot of candidates and we're seeing some very good opportunities, but...
I think partly that people
Speaker Change: are so busy at their current firms that it is taking longer.
Speaker Change: to initiate and to vet and then finally to execute and then transition to a different firm. And so much like what's happened in the M&A closing pipeline that I just alluded to earlier because of antitrust activity.
Speaker Change: We see a similar issue in the talent market, where it's just taking longer. But the candidates are out there. I think the proposition to move to a platform like ours is still compelling.
Speaker Change: and I think offers an exciting opportunity for certain segments of the advisory population that's out there. And that's a very, very dynamic market, so it's not a, you know, winner-take-all, get-it-established-today type of business. The labor markets and the talent markets are constantly changing, and we see...
Speaker Change: new opportunities for talent acquisition coming up all the time. But we do, we agree with you, I agree with you that we're a little bit on the lighter side here in 24, but we're picking that up, picking that pace up for 25.
Great. Thank you for taking my questions.
Thanks.
Speaker Change: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start following up there, you talked about broadening out your suite of services and then
also kind of the
Speaker Change: recruiting environment. Can you just touch on some of the areas or put a finer point on it of where you still see some of the biggest needs for Perella's capabilities from kind of building out in white space, if you will, like where are you really focused on if you kind of had to give a couple priority spots?
Thank you for watching!
Speaker Change: Yeah, I would say in the near to intermediate term, it's all about expanding our client footprint and so within our key industry groups, we just have an enormous amount of uncovered space. We have a fantastic brand thanks to all the hard work of the team in the last 18 years and we just don't have enough team members to
Speaker Change: to get the brand out into more boardrooms and into more C-suites. So we've got a lot of uncovered areas still here in the United States, as well as in Europe, our two key markets.
Speaker Change: additions there but we're very very comfortable with how we've built out our capabilities and now it's just a matter of getting more of client coverage bankers and expanding our client footprint.
Great, that's helpful context.
Speaker Change: Maybe just kind of taking that into consideration with the comp ratio in your prepared remarks talking about
Speaker Change: Growth has been strong and above peers to start the year, and recruiting has been below trend. How should we be thinking about the leverage in the system right now, and maybe just the way to be framing growth for 2025 as it relates to the comp ratio?
Yeah, look, we're heading into the
Speaker Change: You know, back, very back part of the year, we've said 68 is our best estimate today for the comp ratio accrual, that's two points down from last year. It is below the peer group and we are growing faster than the peer group as evidenced by today's results and the year-to-date results in particular.
Speaker Change: when we went out as a public company in 2021. Again, we said we'd be in the mid-60s. I think we're not far off from the target.
We're getting closer to reassessing.
Um...
Speaker Change: you know, our comp ratio, but I think we don't try to pinpoint that to a revenue number because, as I've said in prior calls,
Speaker Change: It is a multivariable equation. We're solving for building a world-class business. We're not solving for quarter-to-quarter.
Speaker Change: and in building world-class business. We're going to take decisions on talent and investment.
Speaker Change: Partially, that investment is in new talent acquisition and people joining the firm in the near term. But also, as I've mentioned on prior calls as well, we do have a longer ramp-up than we've seen historically, partly as a result of market environment.
that hopefully...
Speaker Change: Hopefully consistent with my comments earlier about acceleration and M&A, we're hopeful that the ramp-up also declines from what we've experienced certainly in
Speaker Change: of the last two or so years. So when we talk about investment, it's not just the current year talent acquisition, it's also new partner promotion, and it's prior talent that's joined the platform that's just taking a bit longer to get up to peak performance.
As I've said also, Aiden, you know, we...
Speaker Change: The employees and partners of this firm own a lot of stock. We are the largest group of shareholders, something over 40% now. We're very aligned with our shareholders. We look very carefully at share count, very carefully at comp ratio.
Speaker Change: return of capital, all the things that you'd want in good shareholder alignment. We have, and comp ratio is very much on that list to think about what's a balanced approach, and I think we've struck the right balance between the growth and investment we're making and what we deliver to shareholders.
Appreciate the caller. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Andy.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from James Yarrow with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
James Yarrow: Good morning. Just two quick ones on election-related impacts. I know you mentioned this a little bit earlier.
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James Yarrow: If we see a much steeper yield curve, I think some of which has already happened in the past few days, does this impact M&A activity at all? And then I think one of the key questions under the incoming administration is tariffs. Maybe you could just speak to what the potential impact of these could be on your business, if at all.
Sure. Thanks, James.
Speaker Change: that part of our market was used to several years ago. So, you know, the rate picture has certainly changed. We've gone from an increasing cycle to now a decreasing cycle. But my own view is that there are a lot of continued inflationary pressures you're going to have.
Speaker Change: I think it's going to put some pressure on sponsors that are not going to get the tailwind of financing costs, and they're going to have to find value through.
Speaker Change: Just grinding through EBITDA expansion in order to drive valuation and drive exits. So it's not a terrible story It's just not as good of a backdrop. I think as I see in the corporate World, which I do think will still continue driving the M&A markets
Speaker Change: Okay, thank you, that's very helpful. Maybe just a near-term revenue question. I think you noted that the 4Q24 revenues expect to be closer to the $213 million I think you put up in 4Q23. I think that suggests revenue will be down sequentially. Maybe you could just speak to whether there was any sort of pull forward into this quarter, and separately whether perhaps there was uncertainty ahead of the election that is impacting the revenue sequentially.
Speaker Change: Yeah, we we all saw in the industry a little bit of a slowdown and just engagement and activity for a month or so But not not a tremendous lead-up to the election where there was a cessation
Speaker Change: completely of activity. So I think it's a minor speed bump on the election. And now, as I mentioned earlier, you've got, you know, very significant accelerants that
Speaker Change: We haven't seen it sometime, so it will more than make up for that.
Speaker Change: brief slowdown. We did pull forward based on our accounting policies.
Speaker Change: Transactions that closed in the first two days of the fourth quarter were pulled forward to Q3 It was a little bit over 25 million dollars. And so, you know that has an impact on how we see
Speaker Change: The Q4 period feel very very good about the overall strength of our year-end and strength going into 25 but we do think that
Speaker Change: The Q4 period is looking more like a Q4 2023, and as I said earlier in comments, you know, we're on a good trajectory overall with secular growth, but there'll be some unevenness and choppiness along the way that doesn't bother us. It's sort of in the business we're in.
Alex Gottschalk: Yeah, that's a good read. Actually, I'll defer to Alex to address that question, James, directly. Hi, James. Yeah, so that's correct. The ending share count for the period was the $88.2 million.
Well, that's very clear. Thank you.
Speaker Change: And as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypads. We'll pause for a moment.
Speaker Change: This concludes the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Andrew Bednar for any additional or closing remarks.
Andrew Bednar: Okay, thank you operator and thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate the opportunity to speak with you and we look forward to executing further on our strategic plan with support from our clients.
Andrew Bednar: And from you, our investors, and also with the intense focus of our entire team here at Perla Weinberg, we hope you all have a successful end to 24, wish you a wonderful holiday season, and we look forward to connecting again on our February call. Thank you.
Speaker Change: This concludes the Perella Weinberg Partners 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.
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