Q3 2024 NCR Voyix Corp Earnings Call

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the NCR VOIX 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Our host for today's call is Alan Katz. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. I would like to now turn the call over to your host. Mr. Katz, you may begin.

Alan Katz: Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2024 earnings conference call.

Alan Katz: and have been filed with the SEC. With me on the call today are David Wilkinson, our Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Webb Walsh, our Chief Financial Officer. This call is being recorded and the webcast is available on the Investor Relations section of our website.

Alan Katz: Before we begin, please be advised that remarks today will contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements.

Alan Katz: For additional information on these factors, please refer to our earnings release and our other reports filed with the SEC. We caution you not to place undue reliance on these statements. Forward-looking statements during this call speak only as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to update them.

Alan Katz: In addition, we will be discussing and providing certain non-GAAP financial measures today, which we believe will provide additional clarity regarding our ongoing performance.

Alan Katz: for a full reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures discussed in this call to the most comparable GAAP measure in accordance with SEC regulations.

Alan Katz: Please see our press release, furnished as an exhibit on Form 8K, filed this morning, and there are supplemental materials available on the Investor Relations section of our website. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to David. David?

David Wilkinson: Thanks Alan, and good morning everyone. I would like to welcome all of you to our third quarter 2024 earnings call. Before I begin, I'd like to welcome our newest Executive Vice President, Darren Wilson, to NCR Voyages.

David Wilkinson: As you saw in our press release, Darren has joined to lead our international retail and restaurant businesses, primarily in Europe and Asia Pacific.

Alan Katz: This new leadership position will allow us to focus on expanding our international presence in restaurants and retail.

Alan Katz: I will now spend a few moments discussing our recent progress on the digital banking and hardware transactions announced in August, before commenting on our recent business performance and the company's go-forward objectives.

Alan Katz: Brian will then review our financial results for the quarter and our outlook for the remainder of the year.

Alan Katz: Beginning with digital banking, we completed the sale on September 30th, ahead of expectations.

Alan Katz: This was an important step in our plans to simplify the business and significantly improve our balance sheet with $2.45 billion in gross sale proceeds.

Alan Katz: After estimated taxes and fees of $437 million, we utilized approximately $1.8 billion of proceeds to reduce our indebtedness.

Alan Katz: Further, positive impact of these actions reduce our annual cash interest expense by approximately $95 million.

Alan Katz: Of the remaining proceeds, the company intends to utilize approximately $100 million to complete repurchases of common stock under its existing share repurchase program, which is an aggregate repurchase authority of up to $153 million and has been previously outlined in our public filings.

Alan Katz: We believe this is the best use of proceeds given our current valuation. Brian will discuss the details of the remaining proceeds allocation later on the call.

Alan Katz: For hardware, we anticipate the agreement to become effective by year-end and will provide Anacond certain transitional services until they are fully operational in 2025.

Alan Katz: In connection with the transaction, we have jointly notified our affected employees who will be part of the new organization.

Alan Katz: As a reminder, we will continue to sell hardware to our customers as a sales agent and earn a commission on the sale. But all other aspects of the contract, including design, manufacture, delivery, and warranty, will be fulfilled by Anacon.

Alan Katz: Starting to our third quarter performance, on a normalized basis, total revenue for the quarter was $708 million, a decline of 11% driven primarily by lower hardware and hardware related install services.

Alan Katz: Software and services revenue is flat when excluding the adverse impact of a one-time software true-up from the prior year.

Alan Katz: Normalized adjusted EBIT after the quarter was $101 million, driven by cost actions taken in the second quarter, coupled with sales mix.

Alan Katz: As of the third quarter, we had approximately 70,000 sites on our cloud-native commerce platform, an increase of 25% from the prior year.

Software ARR and Total Segment ARR

Alan Katz: Turning to our restaurant segment, in the third quarter, we continue to demonstrate momentum, signing more than 230 new software customers and increasing our platform and payment sites by 4% and 12% respectively.

Alan Katz: Software ARR and Total ARR both increased 1% in the quarter.

Alan Katz: Within our Enterprise Division, we executed 11 renewal and expansion agreements for both software and services solutions.

Alan Katz: These included converting existing software customers representing more than 350 sites to our cloud-native commerce platform.

Alan Katz: For example, we converted Cafe Rio, an Aloha user, to the platform at the time of renewal.

Alan Katz: We also expanded our platform contract with Hungry Jaxx to now include our value-added solution.

Alan Katz: Under our new agreement with Hungry Jacks, we will provide loyalty solutions for nearly 500 sites across Australia.

Alan Katz: For services, we renewed and expanded our long-standing help desk contract with a global coffee chain this quarter.

Alan Katz: We have extended our monitoring assistance services to their shops in Latin America while continuing to service their existing site base in the U.S. and the U.K.

Finally,

Alan Katz: We continue to execute against our Payments-to-Pass strategy, both for enterprise and mid-market restaurants.

Alan Katz: This quarter we expanded agreements with two existing enterprise software customers to provide end-to-end payment capabilities across nearly 40 sites.

Alan Katz: In our mid-market business, our payment-to-tax rate remains strong, with 97% of new customers attaching payments to their point-of-sale contracts in the third quarter.

Alan Katz: As we move into 2025 and implement our new sales strategy to drive growth, we will focus aggressively on cross-selling payments into our existing base.

Alan Katz: Turning to our retail segment, this quarter we signed two new enterprise customers and more than five mid-market customers, leading to nearly 3,000 additional sites.

Alan Katz: We increased our platform sites by 47% as we continue to convert on-premise customers and onboard newly signed customers.

Alan Katz: Software error R increased 2% and total error R increased 3% in the quarter.

Alan Katz: and Enterprise. We signed a new multi-year software and hosting services agreement with Endeavor Group, Australia's largest retail drinks network.

Alan Katz: We will deliver our cloud-hosted point-of-sale software, hosted loyalty solution, store insights, and edge infrastructure via our commerce platform for over 4,000 lanes across more than 1,600 sites.

Alan Katz: In addition, we will provide professional and implementation services for Endeavor Crew.

Alan Katz: We also demonstrated traction in our mid-market business this quarter signing a new multi-year software and services agreement with SpeedyStat, a regional convenience and fuel chain in the U.S.

Alan Katz: Under the agreement, we will deploy our Fornisfail and self-checkout software, in addition to our Edge infrastructure, on SpeedyStop's existing third-party hardware devices, which will be able to significantly reduce their downtime and improve reliability.

Alan Katz: This win reflects our early success and our new go-to-market strategy.

Alan Katz: Lastly, we renewed and expanded our agreement with a large U.S. specialty clothing store.

Alan Katz: In addition to converting this point-of-sale software customer to our cloud-native commerce platform, we will also provide our loyalty and marketing solutions for their entire store footprint, which spans more than 1,500 lanes across 400 sites.

Alan Katz: Before I turn the call over to Brian, I would like to elaborate on my comments related to our go-to-market approach for next year.

Alan Katz: While much of the first half of 2024 was consumed with executing two major transactions for the company, the sale of the digital banking business and our hardware-to-DM agreement, a parallel restructuring effort was also underway to address top-line software and services growth.

Alan Katz: Prior to 2024, the company's sales strategy was partial toward cross-selling and up-selling the base versus attracting and signing new software and services customers.

Alan Katz: We have now aligned our focus to drive balance between upselling existing customers and capturing market share through new customers.

Alan Katz: Additionally, we have taken various steps to better align our organization to drive long-term growth in 2025 and beyond.

The five key revenue growth actions underway are as follows.

Alan Katz: First, beginning in 2025, we will have restructured our sales teams and implemented a revised incentive compensation plan to address new customer growth and to expand market share across our channels.

Alan Katz: Second, to support our go-to-market sales efforts, we're using a portion of the digital banking proceeds to invest in our solution sets for both restaurants and retail, which will accelerate our speed to market for enhanced cloud solutions and enable us to capitalize on growth opportunities.

Alan Katz: Beginning in Q1, we will expand Aloha Cloud to a broader segment of the domestic restaurant market.

Alan Katz: During the year, we will continue to add feature-rich capabilities to our ALOHA platform.

Alan Katz: In retail, we are investing in Edge, a next-gen point-of-sale and self-checkout software solutions to acquire new customers and accelerate our efforts to migrate our existing customer base.

Alan Katz: Third, we're launching an aggressive program to expedite the contract renewals for existing customers while also converting their legacy software to our market-leading cloud solutions.

Alan Katz: This will be a multi-year initiative which has been well received thus far.

Alan Katz: The fourth and fifth pillars of our growth strategy relate to changes we have made to strengthen our senior organization, which will be critical to our sales execution, product delivery, and customer satisfaction.

Alan Katz: Beginning with executive leadership, as I stated earlier, Darren Wilson has been appointed President International.

Alan Katz: With Darin leading our businesses in Europe, Japan, and Asia-Pac, it will also allow us to have enhanced attention on our largest market, the Americas, as we focus on driving growth and expanding market share.

Alan Katz: And finally, we have attracted additional proven leaders to fill key roles across the broader organization.

Alan Katz: Since Q2, we've replaced the three sales leaders in our U.S. restaurant segment.

Alan Katz: hired a proven head of development for a retail product group.

Alan Katz: and most recently added a seasoned payments professional to lead our expanded payments initiative next year.

Alan Katz: In summary, while work remains, we have advanced plans to align our resources, products, and incentives to position the company to return to growth. With that, I will turn it over to Brian.

Brian: Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. With the sale of digital banking, our full year results will reflect only the continuing operations of our retail and restaurant segments.

Digital banking will be reflected at discontinued operations.

Alan Katz: We will continue to support the digital banking business on a transitional basis for up to two years from closing. My comments today will focus on our normalized results, which exclude the impact of the digital banking divestiture, along with SPIN related items and other completed divestitures.

Alan Katz: For the quarter, reported revenue was $711 million, and normalized revenue was $708 million, reflecting a decline of 11%, driven primarily by an unusually weak year in hardware sales.

Alan Katz: Reported and normalized software revenue was $245 million, which decreased 2% versus prior year, but increased 2% when excluding the one-time software true-up from Q3 2023. This increase was driven by attachments to the cloud-native platform.

Alan Katz: Reported and normalized services revenue was $271 million, which decreased 3% due to lower hardware installations.

Alan Katz: On a normalized basis, adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $101,000,000. While EBITDA was lower versus prior year due to spin-related synergies, we demonstrated a sequential improvement from Q2. We will add these synergies in Q4, however, at which point we expect to show growth year-over-year.

Alan Katz: As reported, adjusted EBITDA of $93 million was adversely impacted by $6 million of stranded costs related to digital banking that did not qualify for discontinued operations and $2 million from delayed country exits related to the spend.

Alan Katz: Adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.1% as reported and 14.3% on a normalized basis.

Let's turn to our segment results for the quarter.

Alan Katz: Beginning with restaurants, reported and normalized software revenue was $87 million, which was flat to prior year. Reported and normalized services revenue was $75 million, down 1%.

Alan Katz: Total segment revenue of $211 million declined 7% on a normalized basis, reflecting the continued declines in hardware.

Alan Katz: Adjusted EBITDA of $66 million, increased 27%, and margin of 31.3% expanded more than 800 basis points on a normalized basis. This was primarily driven by increased efficiencies in sales mix.

Alan Katz: Turning to retail, reported and normalized software revenue was $153 million, which declined 3% due to the one-time software true-up of $10 million in Q3 2023. Excluding this impact, software revenue increased 3%.

Alan Katz: Total revenue in retail declines 12% on a normalized basis due to a 28% decline in hardware sales.

Alan Katz: Adjusted EBITDA of 108 million, declined 12%. A margin of 22.2% was flat on a normalized basis, driven by hardware declines in the one-time software true-up. Excluding the impact of the true-up, adjusted EBITDA declined 4%, and margin expanded 140 basis points.

Alan Katz: Lastly, normalized corporate and other expenses for the quarter were $73 million, which included $21 million of spend related to synergies.

Alan Katz: Turning to the sale of digital banking, as we announced on September 30th, the company completed the sale, receiving $2.45 billion in gross proceeds.

Alan Katz: In conjunction with the closing, we utilized $1.84 billion to pay down our debts as follows.

Alan Katz: $1.195 billion was used to pay down a portion of the bonds, $192.5 million to pay off our term loan A, and another $200 million was used to pay down the revolving credit facility, and finally $251.5 million to pay off our accounts receivable facility.

Alan Katz: We ended the quarter with 1.6 times net leverage based on the $430 million of Proforma 2024 adjusted EBITDA we shared on our last call. This leverage calculation excludes $375 million of cash for estimated digital banking related cash tax payments.

Alan Katz: Our net leverage has significantly improved since the second quarter, at which point our leverage was 4.1 times.

Alan Katz: For the quarter, through cash flow, it was a use of $25 million, which included approximately $80 million in fees related to the digital banking transaction and other strategic initiatives.

Alan Katz: Following the debt paydown, subject to market conditions, we intend to use approximately a hundred million of the proceeds from digital banking to complete the repurchase of Comstock under our share repurchase program.

Alan Katz: In addition, the sale proceeds allow us greater opportunity to invest in our solutions to support the strategic objectives David described earlier. We have allocated up to $20 million over the next one to two years to accelerate the launch of our next-gen cloud solutions to achieve our go-to-market initiatives.

Alan Katz: Turning to our outlook, we are maintaining the 2024 revenue and EBITDA guidance provided on our Q2 call.

Alan Katz: While we were modestly ahead of expectations in Q3 on both revenue and adjusted EBITDA, this was due to timing. We continue to expect revenue for the year to be between $2.805 billion and $2.860 billion, and adjusted EBITDA to be between $355 million and $375 million. As a reminder, we will reinstate free cash flow and adjusted EPS guidance in 2025.

Alan Katz: Before I conclude, I'd like to draw your attention to the supplementary Proforma information we have provided in connection with our earnings materials today. This information contains year-over-year comparisons to assist with modeling the company on a go-forward basis. Our 2025 performance will be compared to these Proforma 2024 results.

Alan Katz: The 2024 Proforma financials include $170 million of free cash flow. This does not include the $20 million of proceeds that we are allocating towards next-gen product acceleration, nor does it include the working capital benefit from the ODM model. Our ODM model frees us up from purchasing finished goods inventory, which at the end of the third quarter was $89 million.

Alan Katz: This benefit will start in January of 2025 when the ODM agreement is expected to become effective.

Alan Katz: With that, I will turn the call over to the operator to begin the question and answer session.

Speaker Change: If you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad now, and you will be placed in the queue in the order received. Once again, to ask a question at this time, press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

Speaker Change: Your first question comes from Mayak Tandon with Needham. Your line is open.

Mayak Tandon: Thank you. Good morning, David. I wanted to just touch on the platform strategy since I know that's been a big focus for you and you highlighted several inversions. So, if I have my numbers, right, I think you're at about 20% in terms of platform.

across both retail and restaurants.

Mayak Tandon: I just wanted to get a sense on how do you drive that conversion up over time? What's a realistic target based on customer feedback as you've been having these conversations with customers? And then maybe you could square that with the impact on the P&L relative to the more traditional model of selling hardware, software, and services.

Speaker Change: Yeah, good morning Mike. The platform strategy as we've described in

Speaker Change: and our previous releases and what we've seen in the results in terms of the platform site growth is performing

Alan Katz: Well, it's really a couple of things that we're driving. As customers need new capabilities, all the new capabilities that we're delivering are through our platform. So when we do the platform attach,

Alan Katz: We're not only seeing, you know, increased customer satisfaction and their ability to upgrade and use new capabilities, but we're also seeing an uplift in our ARR when we make that attachment. We are at about 20%. We're working aggressively. In my prepared remarks, I talked about one of the investment pillars. We're aggressively...

going after

Alan Katz: renewals and conversions of our existing install base to try to accelerate

Alan Katz: that platform conversion. So more to come on that. But we're seeing the economics play out in terms of when we look at the cohorts of the customers that are coming on board.

Alan Katz: We're seeing the uplift upon immediate sign-on, and then over time, we're seeing that increase in ARR with each customer. And I would just add that we get the ARPU benefits and the ARR benefits, but we also get a margin benefit, because software is our highest margin part of the business, but within software, the subscription, the platform revenue has the highest margin.

Alan Katz: And it's a small percentage of the total revenues now, and that's why you're not seeing it drive the whole number yet, Maya, but as we aggressively move more to the platform, you'll see that have a bigger impact through ARR.

Speaker Change: That's helpful. We'll stay tuned on that. And then maybe for Brian, any directional guidance for Fiscal 25, you know, what type of seasonality we should be reflecting in our models, both on the top line and also in terms of margin trajectory. So any color you can provide on how we should frame 2025, given all the puts and takes, it would be helpful.

Speaker Change: Yes, so we're going to give guidance for 25 in February on our Q4 call, but consistent with what we said on the last call, we believe off the performance 2024 we've been describing that we can go off that next year, and we'll provide more details as we get into next year.

Thank you.

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Will Nance with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Will Nance: Hey guys, I appreciate you taking the question. I appreciate all the details on some of the go-to-market restructuring and kind of growth related investments that you guys are making. I was wondering if you could...

Speaker Change: Maybe talk about how you think about the timeline to seeing those sort of play out and how we on the outside, what we should be looking for in terms of KPIs over the next few years to kind of measure the success of the go-to-market investments and next-gen investments that you're making.

Speaker Change: The timing of those changes will be, we're making those changes internally.

Speaker Change: We've started the process in the beginning of the year. We've accelerated that as we get closer to the end of the year after digesting the other two strategic initiatives that were underway. So now all the management team's effort and attention is focused on those items that we outlined. We'll enter next year with that

Speaker Change: in place. So we're executing the remainder of those changes through the balance of the year and we'll be in

Speaker Change: in that formation or however you want to describe that going into next year. The KPIs I would look at are similar or the same as what we've described. These are new go-to-market.

Speaker Change: and they're going to be talking about the new model. And we're going to be talking about the new model. And this model will incent our frontline sellers to drive new customer acquisitions. It will have the right incentives to drive attachment to the platform. So you can look at that. It will drive renewal of existing contracts and it will drive add-ons of existing services. So we feel like looking at new sites, payment sites.

Speaker Change: ARR will still be the right key metrics to continue to look at. I would just add that internally as we make investments we're very focused on ROI and so that's a key metric for us.

Speaker Change: Got it. That's helpful. I appreciate that. And just maybe if you could give any context on how you're thinking about capital allocation over the next year, understanding the share repurchase today from the net proceeds from the sale. How are you thinking about organic cash flow generation and capital allocation next year? Thanks.

Speaker Change: Yeah, so we're pleased with you know what we've talked about today and our prepared remarks

Speaker Change: how we've used the digital banking proceeds to pay down debt and improve our leverage. We have leverage where we want it.

Speaker Change: and we see that staying around two turns or a little lower.

Speaker Change: We also today announced, as you just mentioned, the share repurchase and the $20 million of investment to accelerate our next-gen offerings, so we will execute those things that we announced today. And then going forward, we see, consistent with what we've been talking about, making sure we're investing in our products, software, offerings to drive growth internally, and then considering token acquisitions, if there's something we can go out and buy versus build, that will be a consideration. And then future share repurchase, we'll work with our board to evaluate and consider. Right now, I think the focus is executing what we've announced and then driving the cash flow with 2025.

Thank you. Bye-bye.

I appreciate all the color. Thanks guys.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Your line is open.

Matt Somerville: Thanks. A couple questions. First, maybe can you talk about what you're anticipating from

Matt Somerville: an inflection standpoint with respect to hardware specifically the dynamics you're seeing play out in the self-checkout market as well as market share therein and then what customer feedback has been on Voyix migrating to the ODM and then have a follow-up. Thank you.

Speaker Change: The hardware market, Matt, we see, you know, has been significantly down this year overall in the total market. So we see...

Speaker Change: going into next year that, you know, a lot of that demand will push into next year that the capital projects that were on hold this year, we think some of that will carry over. So we thought about.

Speaker Change: hardware as a market demand being flat, maybe down a little.

Speaker Change: point of sale being probably more down than self-checkout. We see self-checkout demand strong, as we've described in the past. Self-checkout for us is a lot more than just hardware. It's the software and the intellectual property that goes around how you as a retailer use that device to be your point of.

Speaker Change: service for your customers. So as our customers are continuing to look at new ways to check out their customers and create experiences in the store.

Speaker Change: We think our new self-checkout, I'll call it the platform, is well-positioned to do that. It creates a lot of flexibility, speed of testing out new capabilities and offers. So we're seeing a lot of strong demand for our self-checkout software. I think we'll get some refresh

Speaker Change: self-checkout hardware revenues that'll pull some services through through with it as well, so We'll describe that we think that it's probably not going to fully recover, but we think flat maybe slightly down

Speaker Change: When I when I think about the reaction of our customers to the ODM model, you know, I've had several customers I've heard from the teams that have been in front of our largest customers that there's been no

Speaker Change: No negative impacts. It's all been positive. They understand what we're trying to get done. They like the focus that we have on software and services.

Speaker Change: and they largely see this as the next evolution from where we were before having an outsourced manufacturer who is taking that logical next step. So they still look to us to provide a complete solution and then we'll leverage Anaconda to fulfill against that hardware.

Speaker Change: Got it. And then, just as a follow-up, can you talk about, in both retail and restaurants, particularly on the enterprise side of the business, what your net site count looks like, whether you're net adding customers and sites or net losing customers and sites, based on your performance year-to-date and in the third quarter?

Speaker Change: Overall, we're adding sites, so net adding in all of our segments.

Speaker Change: So I would tell you, you know, as we've described the new go-to-market model, we want to accelerate that rate, but it's a net

Speaker Change: a net add. We haven't seen any upticks in customer attrition and the analysis that we've done. We're continuing to add new customers in both of the businesses. We're continuing to migrate customers to the platform with renewals. So we feel good about that.

Speaker Change: What we're doing in terms of a net ad, I would like to see that accelerated.

Thanks, David.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Matt Roswell with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Yes, good morning. Sort of following up on the hardware discussion, could you sort of remind us of

Matt Roswell: The current relationship between software and services growth and hardware and how that will change going into 25 with the ODM contract

Speaker Change: Yes, so what I would say right now, the part of services that gets impacted by hardware in the lower hardware refresh that we've seen this year is what we call the TS or installation revenue that we get from implementing the hardware. That's 20% of services, that's the non-recurring part, the 80% that's recurring is the ongoing support of our customers. So it's really that 20% that becomes under pressure when we're not refreshing and doing install projects.

Speaker Change: And on the software, I'd say on the linkage between hardware and software, we are breaking that linkage between hardware and software, and our customers in the enterprise space specifically have.

Speaker Change: really move those almost independent decisions, and we're supporting that move with our Edge platform and all of our next-gen software capabilities being hardware agnostic. So that's

Speaker Change: Irrespective of the hardware fulfillment model, that was an industry trend. That's where we were headed strategically anyway. I think what ENICON allows us to do is stay focused on that software and then provide them our high-level specs, and they can design the best.

Speaker Change: hardware for the industry that we serve with faster lead times, potentially lower price points, and the highest quality possible, so...

Speaker Change: You know we announced in the retail side the speedy stop announcement was one where we're using Their existing hardware and helping sweat the assets and we see that as part of our own strategy moving forward

Speaker Change: I'm wondering how much expense savings do you see remaining, especially now that kind of all the noise is sort of moving away? And then where would you expect to see any savings? Would it be in the segment line or would it be down corporate and other?

Speaker Change: Sure. So in Q2, on the Q2 call, we announced our $105 million cost-cutting program that cut across payroll costs, non-payroll costs.

Speaker Change: and then terminating our AR facility, saving us bank fees from doing that. Those actions have largely been implemented and are behind us, and that's why we saw the pickup in EBITDA. One of the reasons from Q2 to Q3 we had a sequential improvement in EBITDA driven by those cost savings.

Speaker Change: We still, in year, we're getting about $35 million of a benefit from those actions, and the rest we're building into the pro forma view of 24 that we provided. That's how we get to the 430 of adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker Change: When we think about the geography of those cuts, it's helping the segments and it's helping corporate and other. We expect the corporate and other expenses to be both reported and normalized, about $60 million in Q4. So we'll start to see improvements there. But the actions really cut across all areas of the business.

Speaker Change: And we're currently working additional plans for next year, mostly around nonpayroll costs, where we're going to do further vendor reductions. A lot of that's going to be from insourcing certain functions. So not only do we save money, but we'll have more control over over some of those functions. And so that, you know, we'll talk more about that as we get into next year.

Excellent. Thank you very much.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Charles Nabhan with Stevens. Your line is open.

Charles Nabhan: Good morning and thank you for taking my question. As we think about modeling the fourth quarter, I was wondering if you could give us a little color on

on the implied growth by segment.

Speaker Change: Sure, just some color overall, and then I'll talk about the segments. So, overall, software services we expect to be near the midpoint.

Speaker Change: of the guidance. When it comes to hardware, we expect to be towards the lower end. Even though we overachieved a bit in Q3, we, given the backlog and visibility we have on Q4, we expect hardware will be towards the lower end. The good news on revenue overall, we still see the pro forma view that we gave on the last call, holding up for 24, because even though hardware revenue is down, we're getting a bit of a better margin on it, so the commissions on a pro forma view will be very similar to what we provided in the past.

Speaker Change: When it comes to the segments, retail, software services revenue is likely to be flattish in Q4 and EBITDA should be pretty consistent with Q3.

Speaker Change: And for restaurants, we think 1-2% growth in software and services, with EBITDA also consistent with Q3, a lot of the EBITDA improvement sequentially as we get into Q4 will come from corporate and other.

Speaker Change: Got it. Super helpful, appreciate that color. And as a follow-up, I wanted to ask about your payment initiative and get a better sense for what types of clients you're targeting, what your value proposition is to those clients, and, you know, whether you could compete on price with with the acquirers that some of your larger customers might be using.

Speaker Change: Overall, Chuck, our payment strategy is two-two ball. I'll say it's one in the S&B.

Speaker Change: of payments. So we're selling a complete solution. So very common in that segment of the market, the value prop, and that segment is one-stop shop. You get everything you need to run your small restaurant or your small stores with

and Sierra Voyages.

Speaker Change: Then when we think about moving up into the higher end of the mid-market or even to enterprise, our value proposition really becomes, again, that total solution. We think all the handoffs between the point of sale, the payment acceptance device, the gateways, the processors, that whole ecosystem benefits well when you have a single provider.

during that. We

likely, in that case, are not.

Speaker Change: that need to be done. Like we've described in the past, in some cases we're leveraging our own processing capabilities, in other cases we're leveraging partners.

Speaker Change: So we believe that leveraging partners is a good way to go, and in that case, you know, we'll be competitive on rate at the processing level, but win on ease of doing business and that total cost of ownership.

Got it. Super helpful. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Cardick Mehta with North Coast Research. Your line is open.

Cardick Mehta: I know at times something like that could have a negative impact in the short term, but a positive in the long term. And I'm wondering, you know, as you kind of implement that, if you've already implemented it, if you've seen any changes related to that.

Speaker Change: or what you're anticipating or maybe how that might help with the forecast.

Speaker Change: Yeah Carter, we've implemented pieces of it. We are doing it in a way that minimizes impact to the fourth quarter results. The team's all very focused on delivering what we've described, what Brian just described, is our fourth quarter commitments.

Speaker Change: The real changes will take effect as we turn the calendar into January. We'll do a beginning of the year meeting with the sales teams. Our normal process is...

Speaker Change: to go through all of the realignment of compensation plans in November, December, as we finalize our 25 plan internally and with the board, and then we'll start to turn that into action.

Speaker Change: There's another piece of work that we're doing around the processes internally to support the sales team so that we get the sales team singularly focused on selling and we can

Speaker Change: lift a lot of the support functions and move them to the right support teams internally. All that work is underway now with the two goals as you just described. One, minimize disruption in Q4 and be ready to go in Q1. So I feel good about the change management activities that are happening inside the company and the teams are all over that.

Speaker Change: Hey, it's great to see Darren join, and I'm wondering where you see the best opportunity internationally, or where Darren sees an opportunity, maybe geographically or from a product standpoint.

Yeah.

Speaker Change: It's early days for Darren Kardec. I won't tell you he's got all this grand plan yet. He's got a lot of great ideas. I think when we look at what's happening in Europe, what's happening in Japan, and then I separate Japan from Asia Pacific, I know geographically, but that's the way we have the business separated. Then we've got a lot of opportunity in Japan. I mean, that's our second-largest country outside of the U.S.

Speaker Change: critically focused on that. We serve the largest retailers in Japan, so getting them moved to the platform strategy and driving that. In Europe, we have a great install-based customer. Same thing in Australia. We really do well in the grocery market. So Darren's going to look at a couple things. We'll look at how do we drive a

Speaker Change: getting customers attached to the platform faster like we've described in the other areas.

Speaker Change: They'll have both retail and restaurant responsibility. So we'll look at can we take our restaurant portfolio and expand it globally. We'll look for payment

Speaker Change: opportunities given Darren's background obviously maybe some payment opportunities in the UK and other parts of the market.

Speaker Change: potentially even in Japan. And then we'll be exploring, how do we get a mid-market offering? Our mid-market offering is largely than a US-based mid-market offer. So how do we look for a mid-market expansion?

Speaker Change: and the team is strong in the rest of the world too. So Darren can go look at some of those new avenues for growth while leveraging the existing team. So everybody is excited about the...

Speaker Change: The ad of Darren, I like the focus that it's driving to get not only Darren focused on international, but Eric and Benny focused on what's happening in the retail and restaurant business, specifically focused on the Americas.

Perfect. Thanks, appreciate it.

Thank you.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Eric Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Eric Woodring: Hey guys, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two as well And I apologize if one of these were asked. I just dropped off for a second David I'd love to understand the message that you are sending to prospective new customers on You know why they should move over to NCR Voyex, right? This is a new strategy or at least a change in strategy or at least a change in emphasis And I'm just wondering what what's the value prop that you're leading with is it indeed the end-to-end solutions? Or is it anything beyond that that you're offering that maybe they couldn't get from their existing providers, and then I have a follow-up. Thanks

Speaker Change: When you look at our history and heritage and market share in these industries, our core businesses have been around retail and restaurants so the...

Speaker Change: One of the pieces of emphasis that we give is we're back to our core businesses and extremely focused on

Speaker Change: delivering an end-to-end solution for retail and restaurant. We know the industry well. We know their challenges. So when we talk to new clients, there's one about the platform. We have great tech.

Speaker Change: that provides all the capabilities that are required for your business and to run your business. The other side of that is we have services capabilities that truly differentiate us. Most of our clients in the enterprise mid-market space are looking for a complete offering and then they don't want to have

Speaker Change: maintain it and make sure it's up and running and don't have the service capabilities and they need somebody that can scale with their business and grow with them as they grow we grow with them and they can trust us to continue to deliver.

Speaker Change: The platform itself, I'll talk a little about architecture, they believe in the architecture, the platform strategy, the open nature of how we're delivering our solutions, and we allow not only our own technology, but we're going to have great applications for things like loyalty and payments and self-checkout.

Speaker Change: They can also bring their own applications, or we can plug in third-party. So we have a good third-party ecosystem of partners that allow them to plug in. So we give flexibility to our customers.

Speaker Change: We don't have to lock them in and it gives them

Speaker Change: a lot of opportunity to go explore and test out new offerings as they're looking to compete on differentiated solutions to their customers, to us as consumers. So we go in with a full solution, the credibility and history of what we do and the knowledge, deep knowledge in our industries along with the great tech platform that's open.

Speaker Change: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for that color. Maybe just as a follow-up...

Speaker Change: You know, can you maybe elaborate a bit on your capital allocation strategy? Just obviously, you're now past the digital banking transaction. You're looking at closing the hardware shift. Obviously, you talked about buybacks. Maybe just

Speaker Change: Help us understand the pace of those buybacks and then maybe what comes next? What's your leverage goal? How do we think about the capitalization capital allocation priorities? Thank you

Thanks.

Speaker Change: So Eric, we covered this a little bit earlier, but I'll just reiterate that we, you know, using the digital banking proceeds

Speaker Change: We have our leverage where we want it to be, you know, we'll keep it at or below two turns.

Speaker Change: We've announced today 100 million share repurchase that will execute, and we also announced using 20 million of those proceeds.

Speaker Change: So that's the use of the majority of the digital banking proceeds. When we think about go-forward capital allocation, it's really consistent with what we talked about before, continuing to invest internally to support our offerings.

Speaker Change: and to drive growth and then looking at fucking acquisitions where it might make sense.

Speaker Change: to buy something versus build it ourselves. And then lastly, any future sharing purchase, we'll evaluate and consider with our board. And that's kind of what we talked about before. Right now, the focus is executing what we've announced and then generating the cash flow that we need to generate in 2025. Now, David, if you'd add anything.

Okay, so that's the answer, Eric.

Thanks so much, guys. Sorry about the repeat question.

No worries.

Speaker Change: Your next question comes from Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker Change: Hey, good morning guys. This is Isaac Salas on for Ian. Thanks very much for taking all the questions. I just had one on the initiatives and investments you mentioned in the restaurant and retail businesses. I guess specifically for restaurants, maybe if you could provide some higher-level thoughts on, you know, what the investments would entail and maybe how you're looking to position the segment relative to your current market position and enterprise and QSR space. Thanks.

Speaker Change: The work that we're doing on the portfolio for restaurants is really accelerating what we would have had in our

Speaker Change: original road map. So we're pulling in some functionality to get a broader expansion, specifically in QSR and Q1.

Speaker Change: We're looking to accelerate some of the value-added capabilities on the on the platform So the customers that have connected to the platform, we're giving them more that they can do through the platform

Speaker Change: with our investments. That is the focus. So you think about some of our capabilities like kitchen, payments, menu management.

Speaker Change: back office, those are the capabilities that we're looking to accelerate and when we say accelerate that's

Speaker Change: more of the cloud enablement. We've clearly got those capabilities on our legacy platform.

Speaker Change: It's really delivering those to through our cloud platform and accelerating that migration to the platform is where we're focused and then some of that will come in the form of aggressive Marketing and commercial packages to some of our customers to get them connected faster

Okay, understood. Thank you very much.

Speaker Change: At this time, it appears there are no further questions. I'd like to turn the call back to NCR VOIX CEO, David Wilkinson.

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David Wilkinson: I'd like to close with just a thank you to our employees at NCR Voyage, a great job of executing what is on paper a really strong set of strategic initiatives and a solid performance.

David Wilkinson: for Q3. As we've described, there's a lot of work ahead of us, so the teams will be very focused.

Speaker Change: Enterprise clients and mid-market clients that are mission critical to what they do every day. We don't take that lightly, so we appreciate the support we have from our clients. And lastly, I would tell you that I'm really optimistic on the strategy that we have. We laid out the pro forma in the last...

Speaker Change: Earnings release and the focus that we're driving as a company on software and services, the attention that we're driving as a management team, the change that we've made in the leadership.

Speaker Change: What we're describing is going to set us up on a path in 2025, like we said, to grow off of that base. So we'll provide more color on that when we get into February, but we feel good about the initiatives we're executing, we feel good about the platform momentum that we have.

Speaker Change: And we're appreciative of our existing customers. So thank you for your time this morning

Speaker Change: This concludes the NCR VOIX 3rd Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Thank you for attending and have a wonderful rest of your day.