Q3 2024 Sprott Inc Earnings Call
The William George, Kevin Hibbert, Kevin Hibbert
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Speaker Change: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Spratz Inc. 2824, a third quarter results conference call.
Speaker Change: At this time, all participants are not as an only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question in their succession. Instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. As a reminder, this conference has been recorded today, November 6, 2024.
On behalf of the speakers that follow, listeners are cautioned that today's presentation and the responses to questions may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbour provision of the Canadian Provincial Securities Law.
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For additional information about factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations and about material factors or assumptions applied in making forward-looking statements, please consult the MD&A for the quarter and Sprout's other filings with the Canadian and U.S. securities regulators.
Speaker Change: I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Whitney George. Please go ahead, Mr. George.
Whitney George: Thank you operator and good morning everyone and thanks for joining us today. On the call with me today is our CFO Kevin Hibbert and John Ciampaglia our CEO of Sprott Asset Management.
Our 2024 third quarter results were released this morning and are available on our website where you can also find the financial statements and MD&A.
I'd like to start on slide four.
Speaker Change: Before I get into our results for the quarter, I'd like to comment on the elephant in the room. Last night's election was decisively won by Donald Trump, a result that is sure to cause some volatility in the financial markets, as we are already seeing.
and this morning. However, at Sprott it's not our job to be distracted by noise, short-term noise, and remain focused on the long-term drivers of our business which are fundamentally unchanged.
Speaker Change: With our focus on precious metals and critical materials investments, we are very well positioned to benefit from the powerful trends that define the current market environment.
Turning now to our results for the quarter, I'm pleased to report that our assets under management increased by $2.3 billion to $33.4 billion, which is another record high for Sprott.
Speaker Change: Our assets have continued to grow subsequent to the quarter, and AUM was $34.2 billion as of November 1st.
Precious metals prices have been the main driver of our asset growth this year. Gold has posted gains every month of 2024 and is currently trading near all-time highs.
Speaker Change: up 32% year-to-date, today notwithstanding. Silver broke out late in Q3 and is up approximately 36% year-to-date.
Our managed equity strategies have benefited from rising precious metal prices and have delivered strong performance on both a three- and nine-month basis. After a slower start to the year, we recorded $589 million in net sales during the quarter, largely in our physical gold and silver funds.
Speaker Change: Looking ahead, we're currently developing two new precious metals ETFs, which we expect to launch in the first quarter of 2025. With that, I'll pass it over to Kevin for a look at our financial results. Kevin?
Kevin Hibbert: Thank you, Whitney, and good morning, everyone.
Kevin Hibbert: I'll start on slide 5 which provides a summary of our historical AUM.
Kevin Hibbert: AUM, to Whitney's point, finished the course.
which was up eight.
billion dollars last quarter and up 16% from 28.7 billion dollars at the end of last year.
On a three- and nine-month-ended basis, we benefited from market value appreciation in our precious metals physical trusts, net inflows across our exchange-listed products mix, and the launch of the physical copper trust in the second quarter of the year.
Over the last five years, our AUM has grown by $24.1 billion, of which 47% was attributable to net inflows.
40% was related to market value appreciation and 13% related to acquisitions and new fund launches.
demonstrating the strength and quality of our AUM growth over the years.
Kevin Hibbert: Subsequent to Quarter End, on November 1st, our AUM increased another $800 million to $34.2 billion.
Slide six provides a brief look at our three and nine month earnings.
Thank you.
Net income this quarter was $12.7 million, up 87% from $6.8 million for the same three-month period last year.
Speaker Change: On a year-to-date basis, net income was $37.6 million, up 17% from $32.1 million last year.
Our three- and nine-month-ended results benefited from higher management fees on strong market valuations of our precious metals physical trusts and inflows to our exchange listed products.
Speaker Change: We also benefited from carried interest crystallization in our managed equities funds and market value appreciation of our co-investments.
Kevin Hibbert: Adjusted base EBITDA was $20.7 million in the quarter, up 16% from $17.9 million earned over the same three-month period last year, and was $62.8 million on a nine-month ended basis.
Speaker Change: up 18% from $53.1 million earned over the same nine-month period last year.
Kevin Hibbert: Our three- and nine-month-ended results benefited from higher management fees on strong market valuations of Precious Metals Physical Trusts and good inflows to our exchange-listed products.
Kevin Hibbert: Finally, slide 7 provides a few treasury and balance sheet management highlights.
Kevin Hibbert: Thank you.
Kevin Hibbert: And as you can see, due to our improved earnings, our cash and liquidity profile continues to strengthen quarter-over-quarter, our leverage remains low, and we will be debt-free in the last quarter of the year as we expect to fully pay down the outstanding balance of our credit facility.
Kevin Hibbert: With a strong cash and liquidity profile and strength of our earnings, we are well positioned to cover a 20% increase to our dividend.
For more information on our revenues, expenses, net income, EBITDA, and balance sheet metrics,
Kevin Hibbert: You can refer to the supplemental information section of this presentation.
Kevin Hibbert: as well as our quarterly MD&A and financial statements filed earlier this morning. With that said, I'll pass things over to John. John?
John: Yeah thanks Kevin and good morning to everybody. Just starting off on slide 8 we continue to experience strengthening sales momentum in the quarter with net flows of six hundred and seventeen million US dollars.
This represents the strongest in two years as investors are finally beginning to return to precious metals.
John: Our gold and silver trusts drove most of the sales in the quarter, and year-to-date, five out of our six physical commodity funds have attracted net new capital. On a year-to-date basis, net sales stand just below $1 billion.
John: I think it's important to note that over the past 12 months a number of central banks have accounted for the majority of physical gold buying. While China has signaled they have paused their buying over the past few months, we believe the key word is pause, and they will resume their buying in an effort to de-dollarize their foreign exchange reserves.
John: with the
John: election of Donald Trump, it looks like the trade relations with China are more likely to deteriorate than improve, which we think will act as another catalyst to get China, Chinese Central Bank, to buy more gold.
Kevin Hibbert: Gold buying amongst Chinese retail investors has also picked up as gold's allure as a long-term store of value looks more compelling against other asset classes like real estate and domestic equities, which have performed very poorly over the past few years.
John: Next slide, please.
John: So on slide 9
Kevin Hibbert: illustrates the market disconnect we've seen between the price of gold and total ounces of gold held by ETFs over the past year. And gold held by ETFs is a very good proxy for just about all kinds of investor segments but heavily institutionally oriented.
Kevin Hibbert: As you can see, the amount of gold held by ETS was approximately 92 million ounces as of June 2023 and the price of gold was below $2,000 an ounce.
Kevin Hibbert: Despite gold strengthening to $2,400 within the subsequent 12 months, ETS reduced their gold holdings to just under 81 million ounces.
Kevin Hibbert: It's only been in the last quarter where we have seen the trend reverse, with gold held by ETFs growing back to 84 million ounces.
Kevin Hibbert: It's encouraging to see investors adding to their gold holdings again, which has recoupled the historical relationship between gold price and gold ETF holdings.
Kevin Hibbert: Next slide, please.
Kevin Hibbert: Well, we have not been immune to redemptions during the past year in our precious metal segment. We have fared much better relative to our largest competitor funds.
Kevin Hibbert: These charts highlight the percentage change in the shares outstanding for our physical gold trust, PHYS, and our physical silver trust, PSLV, over the last five years relative to their largest competitors in the world.
Kevin Hibbert: As you can see, units of FIS have grown by 109% while our competitor is down slightly. PSLV has grown its units outstanding by 219% compared to only 30% for the largest competitor ETF.
Kevin Hibbert: Next slide, please.
Kevin Hibbert: AUM in our suite of physical commodity trusts continued to climb, reaching an all-time high at the end of October. AUM in this product segment is up 50% since the beginning of 2023 and highlights the scalability and broad investor appeal of these funds.
Kevin Hibbert: It's also important to mention that having a suite of six different physical metal trusts provides investors with a broad range of choices and provides us with important diversification for our business.
Kevin Hibbert: Next slide.
Kevin Hibbert: Now, switching to our range of equity ETFs, market weakness across critical materials over the quarter translated into muted sales of $56 million. Performance for uranium equity since the beginning of September has improved significantly following a sharp correction that we saw from late May to August.
Kevin Hibbert: Year-to-date net sales stand at just over $300 million and flows into this segment can be more temperamental given the more volatile nature of many of these mining equities.
Kevin Hibbert: Once again, having a broad suite of funds covering various mining segments, which are also listed across multiple jurisdictions, positions us to capture flows when investor interest appears.
Kevin Hibbert: AUM in this segment has recovered over the past few months and is now up 20% since the end of August, and building scale in this product suite is very important as we benefit from cost efficiencies, which translate into higher profit margins given most of these funds have unitary or fixed fees.
Whitney George: and I'll now pass it to Whitney George.
Whitney George: Thank you, John.
Whitney George: Turning to slide 14.
Whitney George: Our actively managed equity products, our actively managed precious metal strategies continue to perform well with our flagship gold equity fund gaining 21.4% in the third quarter and 36.3% year-to-date.
Whitney George: Despite this strong performance and compelling fundamentals, investor flows have not yet returned to mining equities.
Kevin Hibbert: This stands in stark contrast to the physical gold which saw a record investor demand in the third quarter. We expect to see this demand spill over into equities over the quarters ahead.
Kevin Hibbert: I'll now turn to slide
Kevin Hibbert: The next slide, 14.
Kevin Hibbert: Sorry, slide 15, Private Strategies.
Kevin Hibbert: Combined lending and streaming strategies AUM was $2.4 billion as of September 30, 2024. The team is continuing to monitor and harvest investments in our second private lending fund and is actively assessing new investment opportunities for lending fund free.
Kevin Hibbert: And to summarize, on slide 16,
Whitney George: We're pleased with our performance so far this year and confident we'll be able to sustain our momentum in the quarter ahead.
Kevin Hibbert: AUM has reached record highs each quarter of 2024 and our sales have begun to accelerate after a slower first half of the year. We're experiencing strong client engagement across all channels and expanding our client base among institutions, family offices, RIA broker-dealers, and hedge funds.
Speaker Change: Our focus on precious metals and critical materials positions brought well to benefit from the macro trends we expect to drive the markets in the coming months and years. As Kevin noted, based on our financial performance and our positive outlook, we raised our quarterly dividend by 20% and expect to pay off the balance of our line of credit by the end of November.
Speaker Change: resulting in a debt-free balance sheet. We appreciate the continued support of our clients and shareholders and look forward to reporting to you in the quarters ahead. And that concludes our remarks for today's call. I'll now turn it back to the operator for some Q&A. Thank you.
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Whitney George: Our first question or comment comes from the line of Graham Riding from TD Securities. Mr. Riding, your line is open.
Graham Riding: Hi, good morning. You shared a little bit of commentary around just maybe with the Trump presidency demand for sort of the US dollar from China may continue to sort of be weaker or be lower. Any other sort of implications for your business around precious metals demand or critical minerals demand from a Trump presidency?
Speaker Change: I'll take that, you know essentially it didn't really matter to our forecast or you know our long-term outlook is who won the election, you know both we figured would be characterized by continuing growing deficits
Speaker Change: That's going to put pressure on interest rates, it's presumably going to put some pressure on inflationary trends.
Graham Riding: We're not at the cap that inflation has been beaten, we think it's just resting. And so, all of the fundamentals that have been in place for the last couple of years we think are still in place and maybe even get accelerated with a Trump presidency.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Whitney, maybe I'll just add to that on the critical material side.
Whitney George: We think things like uranium will continue to get bipartisan support in the United States.
Speaker Change: The Biden administration has been incredibly pro-nuclear, which is not typical of democratic administrations.
Graham Riding: the IAL, IRA, and the ADVANCE Act all received bipartisan support, which are very supportive of...
Graham Riding: basically re-energizing nuclear energy and reshoring critical elements of the supply chain, which
Graham Riding: unfortunately reside in places like Russia, so we think uranium will continue to be a beneficiary of this reshoring trend and the push to nuclear power given the incredible load growth that people are expecting in the U.S. on the back of reshoring.
Graham Riding: of key technologies. The other thing we've been talking about is, you know, with all the rhetoric from Trump about clean energy.
Kevin Hibbert: could be impacted. And I think it's important to note that out of the 35 $1 billion plus projects that have been announced, mostly related to clean energy technologies and manufacturing, 29 of those reside in red states. So I think the pushback
Kevin Hibbert: at the state level be enormous and I think it's
Kevin Hibbert: issue of national security that many of these industries are being re-shored away from China to diversify against geopolitical risks. So, while there's been a lot of rhetoric against certain subsidies and part of the Inflation Reduction Act.
Kevin Hibbert: We think a lot of the capital inflows will remain because they are creating a ton of jobs in red states in particular.
Speaker Change: Gold entered the bear market and started to go up the last time Trump got elected.
Speaker Change: Okay
Speaker Change: You have 11 seconds, I believe.
Speaker Change: John, I'll stick with you. You mentioned that your physical gold and silver trusts have done better than your largest ETF competitors. Is that because of the physical delivery component or what do you attribute the outperformance?
Speaker Change: Trust.
Speaker Change: I think we have a segment of investors that clearly trust that we have all the gold, that it is held with safe custodian, which is Royal Canadian Mint.
Speaker Change: having the physical redemption option, as well as a potential tax advantage for certain investors in the U.S., given we're not subject to collectibles tax if you make certain IRS filings, all give us advantages which have allowed us to grow these vehicles to obviously...
Speaker Change: very high asset levels.
Speaker Change: and those are very, you know, difficult to copy and I think one of the things I'll also highlight is that over the last few years we have seen a price war amongst ETFs, including gold ETFs.
Speaker Change: and we have not succumbed to that pressure. I think the differentiators we have with our products represent real value and people are willing to pay a premium price for them.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Maybe I'll do one more and then I'll re-cue at the end. The lending fund three you mentioned, can you share maybe what you're thinking about on that front? Should we be expecting private strategies AUM to grow or maybe just...
Kevin Hibbert: Lending Fund 3 to replace Lending Fund 2 as it monetizes down.
Speaker Change: It is a bit of a treadmill because we're making new loans and they're getting repaid all the time. Your asset level really changes when you launch a new product. Lending Free was last year.
Kevin Hibbert: And so you have to, you know, obviously deploy it before you think about another one.
Kevin Hibbert: So it's a very high quality business with very good portfolio managers and a long track record.
Kevin Hibbert: and it's you know again not like our exchange listed products or physical trusts in terms of the way it can be grown but it certainly washes its face and is really helpful when it comes to our overall domain knowledge.
Kevin Hibbert: Okay, that's it for me. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: We have a follow-up from Mr. Graham Riding. Mr. Riding, your line is now open.
Graham Riding: John, can you hear me?
Kevin Hibbert: Thank you.
Graham Riding: Yea, fields.
Graham Riding: Okay great, I'll just throw in one more. Carried interest, it was pretty material this quarter. Any visibility on on the potential there for further crystallization or you know or how much sort of carried interest, embedded carried interest you might be sitting on that could be realized over time?
Speaker Change: Yeah, hey Graham, I'll take that one and then if Whitney wants to add anything he can, but this carry was a bit of a one-off. This was us harvesting carry from a legacy Exploration LP. If you recall,
Kevin Hibbert: Many moons ago, Graham, when we bought Rick's business, it came with this Exploration LP type business.
Kevin Hibbert: you know, seven to ten year lock-up money.
Kevin Hibbert: This is the last sort of...
Kevin Hibbert: the last bit of those funds that have been matured this year and so we just took in that cash that was being built up in the form of CARI. So I wouldn't say that this number is any sign of anything else to come down the road as the remaining sources of CARI for us moving forward will be from our private strategies funds.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll just ask, lending too will have to mature, you know, in order to collect carried interest. So that's, you know, it's in its investment phase, and then, but I'll remind you that we actually do have some products that carry performances on the managed equity side, and if things hold together, you might see some of those too.
Speaker Change: And Sarah, what's the timeline for Mining Farm 2 to mature?
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Sarah: It's hard to determine. It depends, you know, it's basically, you know, when the loans, you know, get paid off, and that's very hard to predict. I mean, these are 10-year lockup funds.
Speaker Change: Understood. Okay.
Speaker Change: Okay, and what's the, on the managed equity side, what's the the size of the AUM that could be performance fee, that could drive performance fees?
Speaker Change: a hundred million or so.
Speaker Change: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions or comment at this time, please press star 1 1 on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker Change: I'm showing no additional questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Whitney George for any closing remarks.
Whitney George: Thank you, everyone, for participating in this call. We appreciate your interest in Sprott and look forward to speaking to you again after your end results. Have a great day.