Q3 2024 Skillz Inc Earnings Call
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Nadia: Good afternoon all, I would like to welcome you all to the Skills Inc 2024 3rd Quarter Results Call. My name is Nadia and I'll be moderating your call today. If you would like to ask a question, please press star, followed by 1 on your telephone keypad.
Speaker Change: I would now like to pass the conference call over to your host Richard Lann from JCIR to begin. So Richard please go ahead.
Richard Lann: Good afternoon and welcome to the Skills 2024 3rd Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
Speaker Change: On the call today are Andrew Paradise, Skills co-founder and CEO, and Gaetano Franceschi, CFO. This afternoon, Skills issued its 2024 third quarter results release, which is available on the company's Investor Relations website.
Speaker Change: Before I turn the call over to Andrew, please note that some of management's comments today will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws.
Speaker Change: Forward-looking statements, which are usually identified by the use of words such as will, expect, should, or other similar phrases, are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect.
Speaker Change: During the call, management will discuss non-GAAP measures, which it believes can be useful in evaluating the company's operating performance.
Speaker Change: These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for our financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP.
Speaker Change: A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable gap measure is available in the company's third quarter 2024 earnings release.
Speaker Change: With that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew for some opening remarks, followed by Gaetano for a discussion of our financial performance, before we open the call for questions. Andrew?
Thank you, Richard, and good afternoon.
Speaker Change: Before turning to an update on the progress made against our four pillars, I want to share the ongoing strides we're making in our Fair Play initiative and key litigation matters.
Speaker Change: We continue to be very active with Sounding the Alarm to have all gaming companies in this space provide consumers with certainty that they're being matched with real players of similar skill to ensure fair competition.
Speaker Change: Our efforts, both public and behind the scenes, in this regard are necessary to make sure this industry can survive and thrive as consumers have their real hard-earned money on the line.
Speaker Change: While our proprietary platform delivers on this promise of fairness to players, for more than a year we've highlighted our strong conviction that companies such as ABA Games, Papaya Gaming, and Voodoo Games are using bots to deceive players into believing they're competing against real human opponents.
Speaker Change: In fact, we believe these players on these platforms are facing robots or gameplay with predetermined outcomes.
Speaker Change: This manipulation alters match results to their advantage, defrauding American players of billions of hard-earned dollars.
Speaker Change: As part of our fight for fairness, we've filed lawsuits against Papaya Games and Voodoo Games in the Southern District of New York.
Speaker Change: We filed these suits to protect our interests as well as the interests of our stakeholders.
Speaker Change: While these lawsuits are ongoing and will take some time to come to trial, I want to highlight the irony of Papaya's recent court filings.
Speaker Change: These companies want to exploit American consumers and American companies like ours, but try to hide behind foreign law by refusing to turn over relevant discovery materials regarding their use of bots.
Speaker Change: As evidenced by the judges' rulings in our case against papaya, they will have to answer the U.S. laws to protect the U.S. consumers that defrauded.
Speaker Change: We stand ready to continue to pursue additional actions to safeguard fairness within this industry that we pioneered while keeping the interests of our shareholders in mind.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: In addition to our lawsuits, consumers have filed class action lawsuits against both AviaGames and PapayaGaming.
Speaker Change: We're continuing to do everything we can to bring this matter to the attention of the legal and regulatory authorities.
Speaker Change: Both the Today Show and Bloomberg cover these class action lawsuits in August, but we're far from having reached an end to bots in our industry.
Speaker Change: Bloomberg did a great job in bringing attention to the devastating monetary impact the use of bots has on ordinary Americans.
Speaker Change: The incredible amount of money being defrauded from individuals is staggering, and we need to continue to do our part to bring this fraud to light, including on these public calls.
Speaker Change: We hope that the regulatory authorities are listening and take quick and necessary actions to stop the billions of dollars of fraud being perpetrated against American consumers.
Speaker Change: As a U.S.-based company, it's our belief we should do this for the safety of all players in this industry, which will ultimately set a level playing field and benefit skills and our shareholders.
Speaker Change: We're ready, willing, and capable to compete against any other skill-based gaming provider that wants to compete fairly and without the deceptive use of bots.
Speaker Change: I strongly believe that since we're the leading company that is not engaged in consumer bot fraud, the elimination of this practice should dramatically change LTV to CAC to our benefit.
Speaker Change: Turning now to the business performance in Q3. We continue to have a strong balance sheet and financial position. In the quarter we continue to work on our four pillars for returning skills to consistent top-line growth and possible adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker Change: Paying users for the quarter continue to stabilize with paying now of $121,000 in Q3 2024 compared to $122,000 in Q2 2024, even as the summer months are typically our slowest period of the year.
Speaker Change: Our execution in Q3 continues to build our cautious optimism that we're on the right track to get to our goal of generating positive adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker Change: We're consistently applying our expense management initiatives with Q3-24 OPEX, excluding costs of sales and one-time benefits in line with Q2-24, and our adjusted EBITDA loss improved again on a year-over-year basis.
Speaker Change: Turning now to an update on the first of our four key pillars, enhancing our platform to improve customer and developer engagement and retention.
Speaker Change: The third quarter reflected some ongoing progress. We've discussed on recent calls the focus we've placed on our new product pipeline and have several products in development.
Speaker Change: Our second pillar, up-leveling the organization. In Q3, we continue to scale our Las Vegas and Bangalore-based teams to optimize our product development, marketing, and data and analytics resources.
Speaker Change: We also continue to reduce our reliance on expensive US-based third-party contractors and a remote workforce with the work absorbed by our Las Vegas and Bangalore based teams.
Speaker Change: Moving on to our third pillar, our go-to-market. U.S. spending Q3 was consistent with Q2 and Q1 levels and remains at our lowest level since 2018 while being fairly stable at approaching six months system-wide payback.
Speaker Change: We need to now scale the facility growth as we continue to focus on optimizing UA spend.
Speaker Change: As part of these efforts, we plan to increase our spend through ARCE, which provides us with better pricing, pricing transparency, and keeps the margin with the skills family.
Speaker Change: Finally, I'll talk a little bit about our fourth pillar, demonstrating a clear path to profitability.
Speaker Change: We're making the steady strides needed to achieve our goal of generating positive adjusted EBITDA, and by continuing to execute on our turnaround strategies, we remain optimistic we'll reach this inflection point in 2025.
Speaker Change: Our adjusted EBITDA losses continue to improve year over year with a loss of $13.9 million in Q3 2024 compared to $18.5 million in Q3 2023.
Speaker Change: Excluding legal expenses, lawsuits against bot companies are adjusted even though it would have improved to a loss of $12.3 million.
Speaker Change: Cash flow from operating activities was negative $11 million in Q3 2024 in line with adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. We ended Q3 with cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash of $311 million or $182 million net of outstanding debt.
Speaker Change: We continue to gradually improve our monthly operating cash burn, which combined with our strong balance sheet provides us with the runway to return our business to the sustainable and profitable growth we need for our shareholders.
Speaker Change: I'll conclude my comments by reiterating our view that our current valuation gives no weight to the value of the operating platform and the progress we've made towards achieving our goals. We're confident that we're executing the right strategies to position the company to return to profitable growth.
Speaker Change: As we execute our turnaround initiatives, we continue to believe our unique platform can generate significant returns for our shareholders.
With that, I'll turn it over to Gaetano.
Gaetano Franceschi: Thank you, Andrew, and good afternoon everyone. I'll start by noting that in our 2023-10-K and our 2024 first and second quarter 10-Qs, each of which were filed in late August.
Gaetano Franceschi: There were several non-material changes in our financial presentations to highlight. The two updates compared to our prior financial presentation are that we are now breaking out our financials by segment and geography.
Turning to the third quarter financial results.
revenue was $25 million, flat sequentially and down 33% year-over-year.
Speaker Change: Our paid user conversion rate, which is paying mile divided by mile, was 14% in Q3, down from 15% in Q2, with PMI flat while mile improved quarter over quarter. As Andrew indicated, we are confident that we can maintain our current system-wide payback period as we turn to investing in growth.
Speaker Change: Turning to OPEX, research and development expense was $5 million, down 40% year-over-year, and excluding the impact of stock-based compensation was 13% of Q3 revenue.
Speaker Change: Sales and marketing expense was $18 million, down 40% year-over-year, and excluding the impact of stock-based compensation was 51% of Q3 revenue. Q3 UA marketing was $4 million, while Q3 engagement marketing was $10 million.
Speaker Change: General and administrative expense was $18 million, down 26% year-over-year, and excluding the impact of stock-based compensation was 25% of Q3 revenue.
Speaker Change: Net loss of $21 million compares to a net loss of $34 million in Q3 2023. Adjusted EBITDA loss in the quarter was $13.9 million, a 25% improvement year-over-year.
Speaker Change: Adjusted EBITDA margin was negative 57% in Q3 2024 compared to negative 51% in Q3 2023.
We ended the third quarter with $311 million of cash.
Speaker Change: comprises 301 million in cash and cash equivalents and 10 million in restricted cash. At the end of Q3, we had 130 million of total principal due on outstanding debt. With our improving cash burn, we have the flexibility to deploy capital to enhance shareholder value. At this time, we'll turn the call back to the operator for the Q&A session.
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Speaker Change: Our first question goes to Ed Alter of Jeffreys. Ed please go ahead.
Ed Alter: Hi, thanks for the question. I just wanted to maybe dig in on the paying MAUs that's now been nicely stable for three quarters in a row. Can you speak to the churn within that and is that a core cohort or is there kind of a little more churn within that? Just would love to hear more on the core players you guys have on the platform.
I'm sure that's a good question to add.
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Gaetano. Thanks.
Gaetano Franceschi: No, go ahead Andrew. Sorry, we're not in the same room, apologies.
Speaker Change: Sorry, we do that first so the audio is a little clearer.
Speaker Change: We've really slowed down acquisition, so when you look at the amount of marketing spend, we've been pretty flat and stable now for multiple quarters.
Speaker Change: So most of the work of what we're doing is on both retention of paying users and then around reactivation of paying users. So really just owned marketing channels as well as on system channels.
Do you have anything you want to add about cohorts?
Thank you.
Speaker Change: No, I think that's correct. Basically, what Andrew said is the way I would answer.
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Speaker Change: Yeah, great. And then, you know, as you talked about at the end there, you know, deploying capital, can you kind of walk through kind of the, you know, the top three capital deployment priorities for you guys?
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Speaker Change: and James Leahy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: I can take that and Andrew if you want to add. I think there's a couple of areas that we definitely want to focus on. First is we want to continue to invest and improve our platform, so in people and product and development.
Speaker Change: I'd say the second area that we want to continue to invest in is
Speaker Change: creating tools and better processes for our developers. And I'd say the third area of investment will be in scaling up our UA and our marketing efforts. So product development, new content.
and then, you know, UA and, of course, people.
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Speaker Change: Great, thanks. And then as you scale that UA, you know, what are the...
Speaker Change: Success factors that you guys are going to measure yourselves against. Obviously, you know, the six-month payback. It's great to hear that you're approaching that. But as you layer on scale, what are the targets you guys are looking to hit on that spend?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker Change: So we've been running some of the budget this year at six months and actually hitting that level of payback I think it's pretty hard given many in the industry are targeting 12 to 18 months
Speaker Change: But I think the strategy here has been to really cut back our marketing until we can be sure that we're seeing attractive return profiles, especially with all the issues we had, call it end of 21 and then 2022.
Speaker Change: In turning around the business, we said that one of the first things we want to do, obviously, is if there's a lot of breakage in the product, retention is down in the product itself.
Speaker Change: does not make sense to have advertising anywhere near this scale. So we've cut it way, way, way down to what I'd say is kind of a life support level of user acquisition so that we can continue to optimize and fix retention.
as we approve
D-30, D-180.
retention, and then our early indicators of
of cohorts falling in line with those retention curves.
Speaker Change: will look to scale back up user acquisition. But I think it's probably the right way to think about it is cautious scale.
Speaker Change: in categories that we're already in. You know, it's well known that Blackout Bingo and Solitary Cube are the top titles on the platform.
Speaker Change: We have a number of other titles that are smaller that potentially benefit from investment in marketing, as well as new content. The new content engine is actually now functional again, and we are seeing more and more content launches.
Speaker Change: The next piece of that, of course, is identifying which of these games could potentially scale into being a hit. And then it's approaching developers who are on the platform about doing publishing deals.
Speaker Change: with the company so that we can actually capture that larger portion of rev share and put a user acquisition budget against a game where the developer may not have the funds to do so.
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Speaker Change: Have you seen any notable call-outs to make on that new game and new publisher pipeline?
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: We have, but I don't think we're yet kind of diving into that. So we definitely are seeing signs of green shoots, but nothing to point out specifically for this moment.
All right, great. Thanks. Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you, we have no further questions. This now concludes today's call. Thank you for joining, you may now disconnect your lines.
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