Arrowhead Pharmaceuticals Inc 2024 Earnings Call
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Arrowhead Pharmaceuticals conference call. Throughout today's recorded presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the presentation, it will be an opportunity to ask questions. I will now hand the conference over to Vince Anzalone, Vice President of Investor Relations for Arrowhead. Please go ahead, Vince.
Thank you.
Vince Anzalone: Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Arrowhead's results for its fiscal 2024 year ended September 30th 2024
Vince Anzalone: With us today for management are President and CEO, Dr. Chris Anzalone, who will provide an overview over the quarter, Dr. Bruce Given, Interim Chief Medical Scientist, who will provide an update on our cardiometabolic pipeline, Andy Davis, Senior Vice President and Head of Global Cardiometabolic Franchise, who will provide an update on commercialization activities, Dr. James Hamilton, Chief of Discovery and Translational Medicine, who will discuss our earlier stage development programs.
Vince Anzalone: and Ken Myszkowski, Chief Financial Officer, who will give a review of the financials. We will then open the call to questions.
Speaker Change: Before we begin, I would like to remind you that comments made during today's call contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Speaker Change: All statements, other than statements of historical fact, are forward-looking statements and are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: For further details concerning these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. I'd now like to turn the call over to Chris Anzalone, President and CEO of the company.
Chris Anzalone: Thanks Vince. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us today.
Chris Anzalone: Over the years, we've built platforms capable of addressing liver, lung, adipose, CNS, skeletal muscle, cardiomyocyte, and soon other cell types to bring RNAi therapeutics where a multitude of diseases are.
Chris Anzalone: Any one of these would represent an important advance in human health, but together we believe they have revolutionary potential.
Chris Anzalone: I don't think it's hyperbole to say that we've created a machine that spits out high-quality drug candidates if you just feed it money and gene targets.
Chris Anzalone: Importantly, those drug candidates can be produced quickly relative to other methodologies, and given the modality and increasingly validated nature of the platforms, we have an expectation that most will do what they are designed to do.
Chris Anzalone: We've always had conviction that building and constantly expanding this machine is critical to our dual mandate of serving as many patients as possible and creating long-term, durable value.
Chris Anzalone: In the early to mid stages of building a company around such a machine, we require partnerships to develop and commercialize non-core assets and provide capital for us to develop and commercialize our wholly owned assets while also reinvesting in the machine to expand its reach and capacity.
Chris Anzalone: When this is done well and in a timely fashion, it creates balance for us. Of late, we have become out of balance.
Chris Anzalone: The partnership we announced today with Sarepta is transformational because it returns balance to our business model, helps to focus our investment thesis without constricting upside potential, and puts us on a fairly straight path to profitability.
Chris Anzalone: Let's take a closer look at the deal. Arrowhead and Serafta entered into a licensing and collaboration agreement that includes select programs utilizing multiple trim delivery systems targeting various tissue and cell types.
Chris Anzalone: Under the agreement, Arrowhead will advance each program to an agreed-upon milestone and then Sarepta will assume responsibility for further development and commercialization.
Chris Anzalone: These include select programs from three distinct buckets. One, certain arrowhead clinical candidates. Two, certain arrowhead non-clinical programs. And three, discovery programs to be pursued jointly between SORAPTA and Arrowhead.
Chris Anzalone: In the Clinical Candidate Bucket, Arrowhead is granting SRAP to an exclusive license to the following four programs. One, Arrowdux IV, as a potential treatment for patients with fascio-scapulohumeral muscular dystrophy type 1, or FSHD1.
Chris Anzalone: AeroDUX4 is currently dosing patients in a Phase 1-2 clinical study. 2. AeroDM1 as a potential treatment for patients with type 1 myotonic dystrophy or DM1. AeroDM1 is currently dosing patients in a Phase 1-2 clinical study.
Chris Anzalone: 3, arrow MMP7, as a potential treatment for idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.
Chris Anzalone: Arrow MMP7 has completed dosing healthy volunteers in a Phase 1-2 clinical study and is currently dosing IPF patients to assess target engagement.
Chris Anzalone: And four, Aeroataxin 2 as a potential treatment for Spinosarabellar Ataxia 2, or SCA 2. Aeroataxin 2 is in a Phase 1-2 study that is currently open for enrollment.
Chris Anzalone: In a non-clinical bucket, Arrowhead is granting Sarepta an exclusive license to three programs that utilize Arrowhead's next-generation trim platform for subcutaneous administration to the central nervous system.
Chris Anzalone: The programs are Arrow HTT for Huntington's disease, Arrow Ataxin 1, and Arrow Ataxin 3, both for spinocerebellar ataxia.
Chris Anzalone: Lastly, in the Discovery Programs bucket, Sarepta can propose up to six new skeletal muscle cardiomyocyte, or CNS, targets on which Arrowhead will perform discovery and preclinical development.
Chris Anzalone: SREPTA would then receive an exclusive license to those programs and be responsible for clinical development and commercialization.
Speaker Change: During the five-year term of the agreement, Airhead will be excluded from working on a large list of skeletal muscle targets for its internal use or in partnership with other companies.
Speaker Change: Airhead will also be providing contract manufacturing services to Sarepta for clinical and eventually commercial drug supply for programs arising out of our collaboration.
Speaker Change: At close of the agreement, Arrowhead would receive the following, a $500 million upfront cash payment.
Speaker Change: $250 million to be paid in annual installments of $50 million over five years.
Speaker Change: Arrowhead is eligible to receive development milestone payments between 110 and 410 million dollars per program and sales milestone payments between 500 and 700 million dollars per program. Arrowhead is also eligible to receive tiered royalties on commercial sales up to the low double digits.
Speaker Change: The total potential value of this deal exceeds $11 billion plus royalties.
This is an important deal for both of our companies.
Speaker Change: In one transaction, it gives Sarepta multiple new promising pipeline opportunities, all with the potential to be best in class in areas where Sarepta has extensive development, regulatory, and commercial expertise, and where clear synergies exist with their existing organization.
Speaker Change: The folks at Sarepta are specialists in these areas and we see them as having a high potential to maximize the value of the programs and be a dominant competitor. They are an ideal partner for us.
Speaker Change: For Arrowhead, the deal answers two primary questions the market had about us.
Speaker Change: First, we've seen general acceptance that our technology works, and that current and future drug candidates have a good chance of becoming important medicines.
Speaker Change: but there was a lack of clarity about how we would pay for them. This deal provides us with substantial capital immediately and potential access to very large amounts of additional funding throughout the life of the collaboration and beyond.
Speaker Change: This cannot be overstated. According to our long-term plan and budget, we are now funded toward the end of 2028 and potentially through multiple commercial launches by Arrowhead and our partners.
Speaker Change: Second, we've built a massive clinical and preclinical pipeline across different therapeutic areas that has the potential to create substantial value.
Speaker Change: But A, it is difficult for the market to properly value everything there, particularly when it has been unclear what would remain wholly owned versus partnered, and B, it is difficult for us to build out clinical and regulatory expertise as well as commercial infrastructure across diverse therapeutic areas.
Speaker Change: This deal goes a long way toward providing a more manageable wholly-owned pipeline focused on areas we intend to commercialize ourselves, namely in the cardio-metabolic space.
Speaker Change: This more focused pipeline allows us to take advantage of the expertise we have built in clinical development and regulatory in the cardiometabolic area and our growing medical affairs and commercial presence in the space as well.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Now, in the cardiometabolic area, we're focusing our sources on the following.
Speaker Change: Plozacaran, which is rapidly progressing toward commercial stage, Zodacaran, which is phase 3 ready.
Speaker Change: Arrow INHBE, which should begin enrolling a Phase 1-2 study in the next couple of months. Arrow ALC-7, for which we expect to file a CTA shortly, and begin enrollment by mid-2025.
Speaker Change: additional undisclosed adipose targeted programs, undisclosed CNS programs that leverage our systemic subcutaneous delivery, and possible cardiomyocyte targeted programs.
Speaker Change: These provide us with near, mid, and long-term value growth and leverage common resources and expertise, making us progressively more efficient for each subsequent program. This is a solid and scalable model.
Speaker Change: A focused pipeline also allows us to manage the growth of our R&D expenses.
Speaker Change: Four clinical candidates and three preclinical programs come off our books immediately, while still moving rapidly toward patients who need them.
Speaker Change: On the discovery side, we believe we have an engine that is second to none and has the potential to create substantial value, so we will not slow that down. We now have a partner that will take advantage of our significant discovery capacity and take as many as six new candidates that we are not yet working on into clinical studies.
Speaker Change: This is a great use of our discovery engine, represents scalable value creation, and leaves us with plenty of capacity for our own future wholly owned programs and additional partnerships.
Speaker Change: Another important piece of the SREPTA partnership that may be overlooked is the manufacturing component.
Speaker Change: Providing clinical and commercial material to Sarepta for programs included in this deal soaks up current excess manufacturing capacity in our new Verona manufacturing plant and defrays our operating costs. It also provides Sarepta with a high-quality, cost-effective partner for important RNAi medicines that will develop and ultimately commercialize.
Speaker Change: Our cardiometabolic focus and the SIRREPTA license agreement together do not capture all of our promising programs. Rather, we believe there are additional programs that have that
Speaker Change: programs we have that could be partnered at some point to capture additional value and ensure that they reach the patients who need them.
Speaker Change: The programs that sit in this category are the following. Aero-RAGE for asthma and COPD, which is Phase 2 ready, and we are assessing various options and designs for moving forward. Aero-PMPLA-3 for MASH, which is also Phase 2 ready, and for which we are also considering options.
Speaker Change: AeroMAP-T for Alzheimer's and other tauopathies, as well as AeroSCNA for Parkinson's, which both use what we believe is our very promising subcutaneous trim system for CNS delivery and are on schedule for CTAs in 2025.
Speaker Change: We are excited about each of these programs, and while we do not require partners immediately, our current strategy is to eventually find the right companies to develop and commercialize each one. In the meantime, we are assessing timing and possible additional development that could maximize risk-adjusted value to us.
Speaker Change: As part of this pipeline focus, we have decided not to pursue further development of AeroMUC5AC. To be clear, this decision was not due to any emergent safety issue, but rather the inability to reliably assess target engagement with the availability of biomarkers.
Speaker Change: While we still believe that Aramuc 5AC is an intriguing target for mucoobstructive diseases, we believe that we have programs without this biomarker limitation where we can better allocate capital.
Speaker Change: We have also made great progress with our LEAD program and potential first commercial product, Pilsaceran, from a clinical, regulatory, and commercial perspective, which Bruce and Andy will discuss in a moment. We now feel like all the pieces are in place to accelerate growth.
Speaker Change: Let's review what we see as the key steps that enable that growth.
Speaker Change: We have generated important phase three data in the palisade study of plazaceran in patients with genetically defined and clinically diagnosed FCS, forming the basis of submission of our first NDA. This is a big step for any biotech company, and we were excited to make that submission earlier this month.
Speaker Change: We now have field and home office medical affairs organizations in place within clinical development.
Speaker Change: We have also built out the key headquarters commercial infrastructure and are in the process of building out a commercial field team right sized for this rare disease. We are confident that we will be ready for our potential first commercial launch in 2025 provided we receive positive FDA review and approval.
Speaker Change: We have also begun leveraging outsourced resources for a European commercial launch, provided we receive positive EMA review and approval, which we intend to seek in 2025.
Speaker Change: We also have a comprehensive plodasterin phase 3 program for the large patient population with severe hypertriglyceridemia, or SHTG. We believe there are 3 to 4 million people in the U.S. making up this population, and there are very limited options, treatment options, at present.
Speaker Change: We expect the studies needed for regulatory approval to be fully enrolled by mid-year 2025, leading to final patient visits in the middle of 2026, and potential SNDA filing at the end of 2026 or early 2027.
Speaker Change: We see this as a large patient population with inadequate treatment options that alone could make plazaster and a two to three billion dollar per year drug
Speaker Change: Further, we continue to see a big opportunity in a larger mixed hyperlipidemia market. Plazasterin has always looked like potentially powerful medicine for secondary prevention of ASCVD, as well as primary prevention for high-risk patients by the KOL community we've been working with.
Speaker Change: Addressing this patient population approximately doubles our revenue forecast for plazaceran, but would require a cardiovascular outcomes trial, or CVOT, for approval.
Speaker Change: As such, we are waiting until we have better visibility on additional capital before launching this trial.
Speaker Change: Arrowhead now has a combination of traits that puts it in the strongest position ever in the history of a company.
These include substantial immediate capital.
Speaker Change: The expectation of large amounts of additional non-dilutive capital in coming years via existing partnerships. A lead program that is gearing up for commercial launch. A lead program that could see substantial label expansion in coming years.
Speaker Change: A focused cardiometabolic pipeline that spans early discovery to phase 3 ready. A discovery engine capable of creating new candidates rapidly.
Strong partners in place for non-core assets.
Speaker Change: several non-core programs that could be partnered in the future for additional non-dilutive near and long-term capital in a state-of-the-art high-capacity manufacturing facility that is qualified for clinical material now and could be qualified for commercial materials soon.
Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone.
It has been a remarkable year for Bliss Esserat.
Speaker Change: We've had a series of high-impact presentations at major international academic meetings accompanied by four simultaneous publications in highly selective, high-impact medical journals.
Speaker Change: We also initiated our Phase II program in severe hypertriglyceridemia, or SHTG, this summer, and culminating with our new drug application, or NDA, submission to the U.S. FDA earlier this month. I'll review some of those highlights over the next few minutes.
Speaker Change: First, it was a great pleasure to submit our NDA for Plozacaran in the orphan condition of familial chylomicronemia syndrome, or FCS, to the FDA.
Speaker Change: That started the clock for their validation process, which is expected to take up to 60 days.
Speaker Change: If the FDA determines that the filing is complete and accepts it for review, they will inform us at that time of the date by which a decision on approval may be made.
Speaker Change: Because the FDA has granted Plazastram breakthrough therapy designation, we are hopeful for a priority review, but that determination will be made solely at the discretion of the FDA.
Speaker Change: Our database for the pivotal palisade study in subjects with genetically confirmed or clinically diagnosed FCS was only locked on May 16th of this year. So this was an excellent performance by the Arrowhead team, especially given that this was the organization's first NDA.
We look forward to hearing the FDA's filing decision.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: If we take a step back to assess the results that have been generated with Pluzastran over the last year at medical meetings and in publications, a clear picture emerges.
Speaker Change: We saw in the mirror study of patients with mild to moderate hypertriglyceridemia in the context of mixed hyperlipidemia and in patients with severe hypertriglyceridemia in SHASTA-2
Speaker Change: that Plazastra produced deep and durable reductions in apolipoprotein C3, or ApoC3, with quarterly subcutaneous dosing.
Speaker Change: and that these reductions led to deep and durable reductions in triglycerides, remnant cholesterol, Apolyproprotein B, or ApoB, and non-HDL cholesterol, while substantially increasing HDL cholesterol.
Speaker Change: As we had anticipated, based on human genetic data and our Phase I study results.
Speaker Change: While phase two data require replication and expansion in phase three studies, which I'll describe in a moment, we learned a number of important things from these results.
Speaker Change: First, we evaluated doses from 10 to 50 milligrams and determined in both of these studies that we could confidently select 25 milligrams as being at the top of the dose response curve for efficacy.
while also having safety and tolerability that appeared favorable.
Speaker Change: On this basis, we chose the 25 mg dose and administered it every 3 months to further phase 3 development in both mixed hyperlipidemia and severe hypertriglyceridemia.
Speaker Change: Second, the reductions in our lipid targets were substantial and consistent with the human genetic data from individuals who had inherited genetic variants with low or no activity for Aplc3.
Speaker Change: who display favorable lipid profiles and appear to have reduced risk for cardiovascular disease.
Speaker Change: Finally, these individuals inheriting loss-of-function ApoC3 genes have been thought to have no negative safety or tolerability issues, and our Phase II data suggests that this therapy may well be well-tolerated in Phase III studies.
Speaker Change: In fact, subjects from the Phase II MIR and Shasta II studies were offered the opportunity to enter a long-term extension study called AeroApoC-3-2003, which was reported out at the American Heart Association Scientific Sessions on November 18th.
Speaker Change: Those data in 418 patients suggested that lipid changes remained essentially unchanged out 15 to 18 months while receiving Plozasiran 25 mg quarterly, with no new safety signals detected.
Hemoglobin A1c was essentially unchanged over that period.
Speaker Change: Most of you will be familiar with our Phase III Palisade study that reported at the European Society of Cardiology with another simultaneous publication in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Speaker Change: We observed an 80% reduction from baseline in median triglycerides at month 10 with the 25 milligram dose, while placebo subjects showed a reduction of 17%.
Speaker Change: The reduction in triglycerides at month 10 was highly statistically significant with a p-value of less than 0.0001.
This study also included a 50 milligram quarterly dose group.
Speaker Change: with Plazastra, and with similar significant results, which together with the results from MIR and Shasta2 have convinced us that we have achieved the maximum efficacy possible for the ApoC3 mechanism with the 25 milligram dose, regardless of vindication.
Speaker Change: Because both 25 and 50 milligrams achieved significant reductions on the primary triglyceride endpoint, we were allowed to assess the significance of our alpha-controlled secondary endpoints.
Speaker Change: In this regard, ApoC-3 reductions at 10 and 12 months and average triglyceride reductions at 10 and 12 months combined were also highly significant.
Speaker Change: Our final alpha-controlled secondary was a comparison of incidence of expert adjudicated cases of acute pancreatitis for the placebo group compared to a combined group of the 25 and 50 milligrams plazacerant dose cohorts.
Speaker Change: This important endpoint showed a statistically significant 83% reduction in incidence of acute pancreatitis with pozacaran with a p-value of 0.029.
Speaker Change: for triglycerides with a clinical dose of 25 milligrams quarterly. In fact, 75% of patients reached levels below 880 milligrams per deciliter, and 50% were able to reach triglyceride levels less than 500 milligrams per deciliter.
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker Change: at AHA and simultaneously published in the high-impact AHA journal Circulation.
Speaker Change: Meaningful reductions in remnant cholesterol and non-HDL cholesterol were shown as well as increases in HDL cholesterol.
Speaker Change: The expected increases in mean LDL cholesterol were seen, but remained below guideline levels for cardiovascular risk reduction.
for the clinical 25 milligram dose.
Speaker Change: indicating that the reductions in triglyceride from baseline of approximately 80% were similar whether patients had genetically confirmed or clinically diagnosed FCS, a finding that we believe is important.
Tolerability has been good across all three study populations.
Speaker Change: The most common treatment emerging adverse events for the Palisade FCS study were abdominal pain, COVID-19, nasopharyngitis, and nausea.
Speaker Change: For the Phase II MIR and Shasta II studies, the most frequent adverse events were COVID-19, upper respiratory tract infection, headache, type 2 diabetes mellitus, and abdominal pain.
Speaker Change: While all of this was going on, we were also busy obtaining regulatory input and initiating our phase three program for POSASRAN in SHTG.
Speaker Change: Our twin pivotal phase 3 studies in patients with SHTG called SHASTA-3 and SHASTA-4 were initiated in the middle of the year.
Speaker Change: We now have centers open in the U.S., Europe, and China, with new centers opening weekly, and we have patient screening and enrollment ongoing in all three territories.
Speaker Change: We are also conducting a phase 3 study in patients with mixed hyperlipidemia named MIR3, which is there to provide safety numbers needed for the expected SHTG supplement to our Puzasiran NDA.
Speaker Change: All three of these studies are largely patterned after their Phase II counterparts, except that patients will receive four quarterly doses of 25 mg or placebo for a full year of treatment and follow-up before entering into an extension if they so choose.
Speaker Change: We are also getting ready to start SHASTA V, a first-of-its-kind study where the primary outcome will be reduction in acute pancreatitis in patients with SHTG and a history of pancreatitis.
Speaker Change: This study has not been requested by regulatory authorities and is not considered to be on the critical path for the SHTG submissions. Rather, this is a study that we are conducting for payers and to support the market.
Speaker Change: Finally, regarding CAPITAN, our planned outcome study with Pozasran for prevention of cardiovascular events in patients with elevated triglycerides and a history of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, or ASCBD, or at high risk for ASCBD.
Speaker Change: We continue to receive feedback from global regulatory authorities and our executive committee and expect to have our final protocol design in the first half of 2025.
Speaker Change: So, in summary, an amazing 2024 for Pusasaran is setting up a busy and exciting 2025.
Speaker Change: I will now turn the call over to Andy Davis. Andy?
Thank you, Bruce.
Andy Davis: Just over one week ago, our team was at the American Heart Association Scientific Sessions 2024, or AHA, where we announced new results from the Phase III Palisade Study and the Open Label Extension from the Phase II MIR and Shasta II studies of investigational plazacerin.
Andy Davis: And the feedback we collected on site from both physicians and patient societies continues to be very encouraging. We hear lots of enthusiasm about the differentiating attributes of plazasterin, which generally fall into five value pillars that you've heard me speak about before.
Andy Davis: First, the reduction in triglycerides has been both deep and durable.
Speaker Change: In Palisade, as Bruce mentioned, plazasterin reduced triglycerides by around 80% from baseline as early as month one, and maintained this reduction with limited variation throughout the full 12-month treatment period.
Second.
Speaker Change: Around half of the patients at the 25 milligram dose in Palisade maintain TGs below 500 milligrams per deciliter, with approximately 75% achieving levels below 880 milligrams per deciliter.
Speaker Change: To support physician education on guideline-directed risk thresholds, we announced on FCS Awareness Day earlier this month the launch of a new disease awareness campaign called We'll Get There Soon.
Speaker Change: A key focus of our messaging is to educate the physician community about expert guidelines from several professional medical societies, which recommend maintaining triglyceride levels below 500 milligrams per deciliter to reduce the risk of acute pancreatitis.
Speaker Change: Third, the triglyceride reductions in Palisade were generally consistent in patients with genetically confirmed and clinically diagnosed FCS. As I mentioned at the outset, new results from Palisade were presented in an oral presentation at AHA and simultaneously published in the journal Circulation.
Speaker Change: Plazasterin at the 25 milligram dose induced rapid, deep, and sustained reductions in ApoC3 of greater than minus 90% and in triglycerides of approximately minus 80% independent of gene variants causing FCS.
Speaker Change: As Bruce mentioned, we believe this supports the potential value of plisastrin in patients with clinically diagnosed disease, regardless of genetic status.
Speaker Change: Fourth, plazastrin is the first and only investigational medicine to report a statistically significant reduction in the risk of developing acute pancreatitis in patients with genetically confirmed and clinically diagnosed FCS.
Speaker Change: This important endpoint showed a statistically significant 83% reduction in the incidence of acute pancreatitis with plazasterin. This is the outcome of most importance for physicians, patients, and payers.
Speaker Change: And lastly, number five, plazastrin demonstrated favorable safety and tolerability, largely similar to placebo, and is conveniently dosed every three months, reducing the treatment burden on both physicians and patients with only four injections per year.
Speaker Change: To support this value proposition, we've built best-in-class medical, market access, and marketing organizations, and our teams are solidly in place.
Speaker Change: As Chris mentioned, the Medical Affairs Group is fielding medical science liaisons to conduct scientific exchange. And on the sales and marketing side, we've recently hired our National Sales Director, who will be executing our field force hiring plans over the next several months.
Speaker Change: We are on track and we're incredibly excited about 2025 and the possibility of bringing investigational plazacerin to those FCS patients and their families who are burdened by this condition. I'll now turn the call over to Dr. James Hamilton.
Speaker Change: Thank you, Andy. With our sharpened focus on the cardiometabolic therapeutic area, I'd like to discuss our two new programs for obesity and metabolic disease.
Speaker Change: Clearly, there have been advancements in the obesity space of late. This has created excitement in the field, and we believe our programs, Arrow Inhibin-E and Arrow ALK7, have attractive profiles and may fill gaps in the current standard of care.
Speaker Change: We held a webinar in August on the obesity and metabolic space as part of our summer series of R&D webinars.
Speaker Change: We covered the biology of these targets, our preclinical data, and our clinical plans.
Speaker Change: That presentation is still available as an archive on the website.
Speaker Change: As a high-level refresher, activation of the inhibin E-ALK7 pathway instructs adipocytes to store fat.
Speaker Change: In an environment of nutrient excess, this pathway can become dysfunctional and overactive.
Speaker Change: Both targets are supported by human genetics, where loss-of-function carriers have favorable body composition and metabolic characteristics compared to non-carriers.
Speaker Change: Arrow inhibini is a GalNac sRNA conjugate intended to silence hepatic inhibini expression.
Speaker Change: Inhibity mRNA codes for activin E protein, which is one of the ligands binding to ALK7 on the adipocyte surface.
Speaker Change: It's the expression of ALK7 mRNA that is targeted with Arrow ALK7, which uses Arrowhead's novel adipocyte sRNA delivery platform.
Speaker Change: Arrow Inhibin-E and Arrow ALK7 achieved 22% and 50% reduction in fat mass, respectively, versus saline controls in a mouse diet-induced obesity model. Importantly, this is achieved with the preservation of lean mass.
Speaker Change: In the same mouse model, when studied in combination with incredent therapy,
Speaker Change: Inhibition of the inhibiny-ALK7 pathway can potentiate weight loss with lower doses of incretin therapy while simultaneously preserving lean mass.
Speaker Change: Again, for those interested, I refer you to our August Obesity and Metabolic R&D webinar for more preclinical data details.
Speaker Change: Turning to the clinical studies planned for these molecules, both Phase I studies will evaluate single and multiple ascending doses as a monotherapy.
Speaker Change: in obese patients, as well as multiple doses in obese patients with or without type 2 diabetes in combination with incredent therapy.
Speaker Change: Arrow and Hibany dosing should initiate very soon and dosing with Arrow ALK7 should initiate in 2025.
Speaker Change: We look forward to providing updates on these studies throughout 2025. I will now turn the call over to Ken Myszkowski.
Ken Myszkowski: Thank you James and good afternoon everyone. As we reported today our net loss for fiscal 2024 was $599.5 million or $5 per share based on $119.8 million fully diluted.
Way to go. Way to go. Way to go.
Ken Myszkowski: This compares with a net loss of $205.3 million, or $1.92 per share, based on 106.8 million fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding for 2023.
Ken Myszkowski: Revenue in 2024 was $3.6 million as there were no new partnership or license agreements executed during the year and no major milestones from previous license agreements were triggered during 2024.
Ken Myszkowski: Revenue in 2023 was $240.7 million. Revenue in 2023 primarily relates to our collaboration agreements with Takeda, GSK, and Amgen.
Ken Myszkowski: Total operating expenses for fiscal 2024 were $604.6 million compared to $445.7 million for 2023, an increase of $158.9 million.
Ken Myszkowski: In 2024, operating expenses excluding non-cash stock compensation charges and depreciation and amortization
Ken Myszkowski: A better indicator of cash spend were $512.1 million compared to $355.1 million in 2023, an increase of $157 million.
Ken Myszkowski: The key drivers of this change were increased research and development costs.
Ken Myszkowski: primarily candidate costs which is driven by clinical costs, manufacturing costs, and toxicology costs.
Ken Myszkowski: In particular, during the third fiscal quarter, we kicked off certain large phase 3 clinical trials for our drug candidate plazacerin to address further indications beyond FCS, namely severe hypertriglyceridemia or SHTG.
Ken Myszkowski: Net cash used in operating activities during fiscal 2024 was $462.9 million, compared with net cash used in operating activities of $153.9 million.
in 2023.
Ken Myszkowski: The increase in cash used in operating activities is driven primarily by higher research and development expenses, as well as lower revenue versus the prior year.
Ken Myszkowski: Our footprint expansion is complete, with only minor final payments to be made over the next few months, totaling $8 million.
We expect very little capital expenditures in fiscal 2025.
Ken Myszkowski: Turning to our balance sheet, our cash and investments totaled $681 million at September 30, 2024.
compared to $403.6 million at September 30, 2023.
Ken Myszkowski: The increase in our cash and investments was primarily related to the $450 million equity issuance as well as the $400 million debt facility partially offset by ongoing cash burn.
Ken Myszkowski: We expect our largest cash expenditure in 2025 to be related to the phase three studies for plazacerin.
We expect that cost
Ken Myszkowski: We expect that costs for the ongoing studies will start to decrease in 2026 and 2027.
Ken Myszkowski: Thus, a large portion of those study costs were incurred in 2024 as start-up costs, in 2025 as ramp-up costs.
which then start to decrease in 2026.
Ken Myszkowski: Our other clinical studies are earlier phase studies which require much less capital.
Ken Myszkowski: The collaboration agreement with Sarepta brings in $500 million in upfront cash, $325 million as an equity investment priced at $27.25 per share, representing a 35% premium to the 30-day volume weighted average price.
and additional near-term cash of $350 million.
Ken Myszkowski: Pro forma cash resources at September 30, 2024, including just the upfront cash and equity investment, would be $1.5 billion.
Ken Myszkowski: We estimate that this partnership agreement extends our cash runway into 2028, during which time we expect Plazaceron may be approved for the additional indication of SHTG.
Ken Myszkowski: This capital significantly enhances our balance sheet and puts us on very solid financial footing for several years.
Ken Myszkowski: Turning to financial guidance, we expect total cash burn in fiscal 2025 to be $500 to $550 million, of which about $62 to $65 million is related to G&A costs.
Ken Myszkowski: We expect similar cash burn in 2026, with G&A comprising about $65 million of spend.
Ken Myszkowski: Incorporating debt repayments and cash inflows, we expect our cash balance at the end of 2025 to be about $1 billion.
Ken Myszkowski: We expect our cash balance at the end of 2026 to be between $600 million and $650 million.
We believe our cash runway extends into 2028.
Ken Myszkowski: These estimates include modest revenue for FCS, but do not include potential revenue from future business development deals. So if these assumptions prove overly conservative, our cash balances may be higher.
Ken Myszkowski: Our common shares outstanding at September 30, 2024 were $124.4 million.
Speaker Change: With that brief overview, I will now turn the call back to Chris.
Thank you, James.
Chris Anzalone: As I mentioned, Arrowhead is now extraordinarily well positioned to build value in the short, medium, and long term.
Chris Anzalone: We think all the necessary pieces are in place to execute effectively and efficiently.
Chris Anzalone: We are funded into 2028 with additional non-dilutive funding expected when existing and potentially new partnerships advance through clinical studies and generate commercial products.
Chris Anzalone: We are building out commercial to be ready on day one for our first commercial launch of Plozaseran in patients with genetically confirmed or clinically diagnosed FCS. We are eager to receive our PDUFA date from FDA, but our expectation for commercial planning purposes is to be ready to launch in the middle of 2025.
Chris Anzalone: Plozacaran, our lead program, is also in Phase 3 studies to potentially expand into the large and significantly underserved SHTG population a couple years after we launch in FCS. If successful, that would provide a potentially large revenue stream.
Chris Anzalone: At Cytoplas Aceran, we have focused our pipeline around a cluster of cardiometabolic programs providing some midterm opportunities for commercial launches and multiple long-term opportunities.
Chris Anzalone: We also retain select key early-stage programs, providing opportunities to build pipeline value while still managing to limit growth in R&D expense.
Chris Anzalone: Lastly, we have a new collaboration partner with extensive clinical, regulatory, and commercial expertise to advance and commercialize multiple promising candidates outside of our cardiometabolic commercial focus.
So, we end fiscal 2024 in a strong position.
Chris Anzalone: across the board, and are now well-positioned to execute on our long-term strategy and bring several important new medicines to patients over the coming years.
Speaker Change: Thank you for joining us today, and I would now like to open the call to your questions. Operator?
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Speaker Change: To ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for a name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please limit yourself to one question in the interest of time. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
One moment for a first question.
Thank you. Bye.
Our first question comes from Elena Ely.
Merle from UBS, your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Jasmine on for LEU. Thanks so much for taking our question and congratulations on all the progress. So first just with the deal with Sarepta including a few SCA programs and Huntington's with the sub-Q delivery.
Speaker Change: How are you thinking about the future of Airhead's CNS franchise from here and particularly where else you'd like to go with the sub-q delivery? And then second, just curious on anything you can say about future plans for Zodaciran. Thanks.
Sure. So thanks very much for the question.
Speaker Change: So the SubQ CNS platform is one that we're really excited about.
As you mentioned, HTT will go to...
Speaker Change: We also have MAP-T and Alpha-synuclein that we are developing that remain wholly owned, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks.
Speaker Change: of those are not really core to our business. And so those are potentially.
Speaker Change: partnerable at some point you know we are trying to determine the optimum the optimal time to partner those
Speaker Change: We see a number of good potential CNS targets in the cardiometabolic space. And so I do expect that we will we will develop and retain some wholly owned CNS assets that are that that will be, again, core to our cardiometabolic business. So stay tuned on that. I expect that we'll have some some.
Speaker Change: So, updates on that in 2025. Regarding Zadassaran, we are trying to figure out our strategy there. At the very least, we see a big opportunity, or at least, you know, a chance.
Speaker Change: an interesting opportunity in HOFH. And so we have a protocol waiting to go, waiting to start for a phase three study to support HOFH. And we are also exploring how else we may be able to exploit that asset.
Thank you. Bye.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Luka Issy from RBC Capital, your line is open.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker Change: And then maybe related, you know, lots of moving parts, obviously, with the FTC, but any potential risk here in the context of what we saw, you know, a year ago between Santa Fe and Mays, any call there, much appreciated. Thanks so much, guys.
Speaker Change: Bruce, why don't you take yours first and then I'll go after that.
Sure.
Speaker Change: I, of course, don't know why Lilly made that decision. It's.
Speaker Change: It's hard to assess, you know, from a distance, you know, plazastron is an awfully good drug and, you know, it may have set the bar too high. You know, that's a possibility. But, but I really can't, you know, determine, you know, why Lily would have made that decision one way or the other.
Speaker Change: Not very fulfilling for you, I know, but that's about the best I could do.
Speaker Change: All right, and thanks for the questions, Lucas. So on regarding my questions, so.
Speaker Change: So, was the disruptive deal competitive? Sure. You know, we were talking to other companies about large strategic deals. This one made sense to us. You know, there's, of course, never 100% overlap with respect to what's included in these various strategic deals, but at least philosophically, we were talking to other companies about that. And look, you know, what...
Speaker Change: The potential good news here is that we also have additional assets, as I mentioned, that are prepared to mark.
Speaker Change: that remain unpartnered that are not core to our business. And so I think we have room to do additional partnerships.
Speaker Change: I don't think quite as large as what we're talking about here with Sarepta with an overall deal value greater than $11 billion plus royalties, but I think there are still good deals we can do with other companies around other assets and potentially with discovery components. As I mentioned, we've got an extraordinarily productive discovery team that has capacity to serve us and Sarepta as well as other partners.
Speaker Change: regarding the HSR risk. Look, who knows? You know, I can't give you much guidance on that other than from our perspective there does not seem to be
Speaker Change: overlap there that make us concerned. But of course, that's not our call to make. We'll just have to see when that comes down. We expect to have a ruling 30 days after we file. And so sometime in, I believe, early January is when we would expect to clear HSR.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Hi everyone, thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the threfted deal. Maybe on the back of that and in the context of the debt financing that you announced on the last earnings call, how are you thinking about paying that down and is there a particular amount that's maybe earmarked in the threfted deal that's obligated towards paying off the principal for that facility? And then Ken, maybe a question for you here if you could quantify the R&D savings that you expect to realize and over what time period we could think about that. Thanks so much.
Speaker Change: Sure. So we will be paying down the debt, you know, through Sarepta as well as through other deals. You know, as as as cash comes in, you know, there are there are formulas for that. And so we do expect that to contribute to paying down the debt over time.
Speaker Change: So we've taken certain costs out of the budget, but the main components, or the biggest part of our R&D spend relates to those three, phase three trials that I mentioned earlier.
Speaker Change: So, it would depend on if there's any new large trials by that time, but over the next two years, we'd expect it to remain constant with the guidance and then decrease.
Speaker Change: Our next question will come from Mario Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open.
Mario Raycroft: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the deal update today. I wanted to ask about the obesity programs. So for Inhibi and ALK7, how important are these strategically to the company at this point? And with obesity studies, you can get insight into efficacy relatively quickly. I'm wondering if you'll run up placebo-controlled phase one and can you commit to getting to data from either of these programs sometime next year?
Speaker Change: I'll take the the strategic question. These are important to us strategically.
Look, these are really interesting targets.
Speaker Change: genetically validated. We will be, I believe, the first ones in the clinic with inhibini, and I think we'll be the first one in the clinic by a long shot with ALK7. I don't know anybody else who will be in the clinic in the near term with siRNA against adipose. So we like our positioning here, we like the genetic data, we love our animal data, and so these are important for us. You know, to be honest, if we wanted to partner these, we could have, but these are important for us strategically, and so we look forward to
Speaker Change: to run these studies and see what we see. James, do you want to address the phase one? Sure, yeah, on the phase one designs, both programs are placebo controlled.
James Hamilton: in Patients with Obesity. The main purpose of the study are, of course, to generate an understanding around safety and PK and some early target engagement biomarker data. We have some exploratory endpoints.
James Hamilton: there, but these are primarily focused on safety PK and biomarkers.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry from Bank of America. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, good afternoon. This is Dina on for Jason. Thanks so much for taking our question. Congrats on the deal announcement and the progress this quarter. The first one we had is more of a broad strokes question. How does this REPTA agreement
Speaker Change: change your trim discovery engine prioritization by tissue type and targeted number of lead preclinical candidates that you plan to kind of accelerate into the IND stage over the near term? Like, do you plan to kind of separately advance preclinical assets for your own internal verticals or for additional partnerships?
Speaker Change: And then I just had a follow-up on your Zodaceran strategy, is it safe to say that we could
Speaker Change: the, you know, an execution of a COVT when the company is in a better capital position with, you know, costs from the plosacerin studies winding down in, you know, 2026 or so. Thank you.
Speaker Change: So with respect to the CBOC question, look, we have always
Speaker Change: been interested in asking this triglyceride question in outcomes in our in our KOLs You know feel strongly that that that pozaciran could be a very powerful ASCBD drug and so and so you know we just need to wait to see
Speaker Change: you know, better visibility on on capital in order to start that CBOC. Those can be expensive and time consuming. And so we just want to make sure that that we've got the capital in front of us before we start that with respect to the first question. Sorry, what was that again?
Speaker Change: On Discovery, we really can be an and company, not an or company. We've got plenty of bandwidth to serve Sarepta and to serve ourselves, and frankly, to serve other partners. James, approximately how many nominations can we do over the last couple of years?
Speaker Change: I mean, we've done close to double-digit nominations per year, so five to ten per year is certainly doable, and all of the targets will probably not come in all at once.
Speaker Change: So, right. So, so, you know, if we, if we are in the 5 to 10, you know, nomination range per year, you know, this is a 5 year.
Speaker Change: It's a five-year collaboration, and so over those five years, you know, we could, you know, goodness, we'll have dozens and dozens of nominations over that time, so we've got plenty of room to, you know, have a vigorous discovery campaign with ourselves, for ourselves, as well as for SREPTA, as well as for other partners.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Great question. We've got a line of Patrick Truccio from H.C. Wainwright, you can always open. Thanks. Good afternoon and congrats on the collaboration. I just have a couple of follow-ups on it.
Speaker Change: Can you tell us how the clinical or preclinical programs are expected to be prioritized within the collaboration with Sarepta and how much input Arrowhead would expect to have in that process? And, separately, can you tell us how the collaboration contributes to or accelerates achieving the 20 and 25 strategy?
Speaker Change: I don't know that it affects our 2025 strategy so much because, you know, we have one more year for 2025 and I don't know if SREPTA can move fast enough to get us a target and for us to get them something that will enter the clinic during that time. So I don't think it's relevant to 2025 necessarily.
regarding prioritization.
or regarding how we run those.
Speaker Change: Well, so the clinical assets will go to them. You know, we are happy to help them with the transition, but those will ostensibly move to them and they will continue those clinical programs.
Speaker Change: Essentially, on day one, again, we're happy to help them, but that will be their purview. The non-clinical assets, we will get those to CTA ready, and then they will take those over and assume all the costs and, of course, all the burden of running clinical studies with them. Same thing with the discovery bucket. Our job is to...
Speaker Change: is to get them a CTA ready package and then they would take those forward into the clinic.
Thank you for watching. See you next time.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from the line of Edward Tenthoff from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Great, thank you. And Mike, congrats too on the financing. You guys have been wheeling and dealing. I love to see it.
When it comes to the $250 million
Speaker Change: over the five-year period. Firstly, is that considered like an R&D funding or is it, what is sort of the classification of that? And how will that be, is that just straight line amortized or how would you be recognizing that?
Speaker Change: So the $250,000 payment was just a timing of the payment. The accounting recognition, or revenue recognition for that, we need to assess that.
Speaker Change: with with the rest of the deal, including the upfront payment and what our performance obligations are. So we'll get more information to you on how we will recognize that revenue.
And that's simply $50 million a year over five years,
of closing of the deal.
Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you next time.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Mayank Manthani from B. O'Reilly Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking a question and congrats on a productive quarter and the deal. Just quickly following up on the Plazastadam NDA filing strategy, could you confirm if the focus there is on the 25 mg dose level and how do you think of, you know, the total patient exposure there to be able to have that broader label that you did evaluate and study for within, without FCA genetic information? I do have a follow-up.
Bruce?
It performed really well.
Speaker Change: you know, at least equally to the 50 milligram dose. So.
Speaker Change: So, as I said, you know, that all the data, you know, for the drug and all the indications that 25 milligrams was the right dose. So I think, you know, we're very, we feel very solid there.
Speaker Change: You know how the the agency how the FDA will feel about you know the the question of genetic versus clinical FCS
Speaker Change: You know, we did expand, you know, to include the clinically diagnosed FCS patients at the, you know, at the suggestion of the agency. So, you know, that says something, but ultimately You know it
Speaker Change: We would assume that, assuming the agency is happy with the NDA in the end, we won't be discussing indication until the very end. I hope I answered your question there, but I'm not 100% sure I did.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Prakhar Agrawal from Canter. Your line is open.
Prakhar Agrawal: Thank you for taking my questions and congrats on the Sarepta deal. Maybe firstly, on the deal, how much of the data did Sarepta see on both?
Prakhar Agrawal: DM1 and FSHT programs, was it mostly limited to the SAD programs, SAD cohorts, or were they able to see some of the multiple dose data as well?
Prakhar Agrawal: And the second question is on inhibin-E. It's an interesting target. Preclinical data are very interesting and the genetic evidence is out there. So maybe just broadly, how are you thinking about where this drug fits in the obesity landscape relative to the ingredients out there commercially and that are coming out soon? And how does an RNAi therapy differentiate in obesity? Thank you.
Speaker Change: Sure, so surreptitiously, everything we have. We have not moved into MADD cohorts yet, so all we have is...
Speaker Change: is very limited, in fact, you know, sad data, but that's what they saw. Regarding inhibin-E and ALK7,
Speaker Change: Look, our job here is not necessarily to put GLP-1s out of business.
You know, I think that, that...
that we have an opportunity.
Speaker Change: to work with GLP-1s, as we talked about in the prepared remarks and also in the webinar several months ago.
At least in animal studies, we're able to use
a sub-therapeutic dose of trizepatide.
Speaker Change: in combination with either ALK7 or Inhibin-E and show good weight loss, in fact, better quality weight loss than through Cerebrotide alone. That could be a possible use. Also maintenance could be a possible use in order to be on a GLP-1 and then lose a substantial amount of weight and then keep it off with Inhibin-E or ALK7. They could also be used as monotherapy, who knows? We'll see what the tolerability looks like.
Speaker Change: As you say, the non-clinical data were compelling, the genetic data are compelling, and so we really look forward to seeing how this translates into humans.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from David Lebowitz from Citi. Your line is open.
David Lebowitz: Thank you very much for taking my question. Given the large partnership with Sarepta, what are your thoughts on additional partnerships going forward? Are you intending to take a pause from that or are you still on the lookout?
Thank you. Bye.
Speaker Change: I would say somewhere in between those. We are still on the lookout. As I mentioned, before we did the SREPTA deal, we were in discussions with other companies about large strategic collaborations. Those we are no longer really considering, but there are smaller bite-sized collaborations and license agreements that certainly could take place. Look, our hair is not on fire. This is an important deal for us. This gives us a lot of breathing room and gives us, frankly, what we needed in a number of areas.
Speaker Change: And so, you know, I think we can we can get the right deal or deals done over time. We don't have to have that tomorrow. But I do expect I do expect more deals, you know, over over some period of time. Certainly, we've got the capacity.
Speaker Change: on the discovery side. And we've got the assets, both non-clinical and clinical, that are not core to our metabolic, to our cardiometabolic focus. And so I think there's ample ammunition there for additional deals.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
From Chardon, your line is open.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yes, thank you. Congrats on the deal. Just looking for some further clarification about the plans for Lung. I think you said you're still taking RAGE into a phase two, maybe first half of next year. But will you look to partner that? And then beyond that, will you look to pursue any other lung targets? Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
You know that's going to require
large and relatively complicated asthma studies, maybe COPD.
Thank you. Thank you.
with our
Speaker Change: renewed focus on cardio-metabolic, it would make sense for us to find the right partner for that. We don't have to do it tomorrow, but at some point it would make some sense to partner that. It could be that it makes sense for us to do a bit more work, you know, some kind of phase two study we'll see in order to increase the value of a partnership. We haven't made those decisions yet. You know, I'm just telling you what's on the table, I guess.
Look, we like the pulmonary platform.
Speaker Change: I think there's an awful lot we can do there, particularly in deep lung targets.
And so my hope is that...
is that we continue to develop that.
Speaker Change: Again, less for ourselves, longer term at least, less for ourselves and more for partners.
Speaker Change: It doesn't mean that we wouldn't initiate some programs, but it would mean that we'd be doing those largely on spec.
My hope is that is that we can find
Speaker Change: Partners who are interested in helping us develop the right medicines against the right targets in pulmonary.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Brendan Smith from TD Callon. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Another big congrats from me on the deal. I guess feedbacking really on that last question, just on the pulmonary vertical, have you fielded inbounds at this point or are you in any active discussions about potentially partnering that platform more broadly? I guess, obviously, ARA is kind of the lead there, but to your point, there seems to be a lot of...
Speaker Change: optionality for that kind of across the board. So, just wondering where you guys are, where your head is at on that a little bit more broadly. And then can you just maybe confirm for plazazurin if, you know, kind of now this renewed focus on cardiometabolics, does this mean that a commercialization partner is just kind of off the table altogether now and you think you should be able to fully commercialize it across the different segments on your own? Or is that still maybe something you consider like post-SHTG data before the CVOT readout? Thanks.
Yes, so we would certainly consider ex-U.S. partners.
Speaker Change: partner or partners. You know, within the US, you know, we, we really, you know, see ourselves
Speaker Change: building out our commercial infrastructure largely around Plozacaran and then using that infrastructure to commercialize other cardiometabolic assets as well. But sure, we would certainly consider some ex-U.S. partnership if the right one came around.
Speaker Change: Again, back to Lung, we have spoken with folks about Lung, as you can imagine. I don't know, I don't have any guidance on...
on when we may get a pulmonary deal done.
As I mentioned, you know...
Bye.
Speaker Change: This wrapped a deal is important for us and it allows us to you know to have some breathing room here and so so I don't expect you know a a pulmonary partnership in the very very near term but it's but it's it's certainly something that that we have spoken with other companies about and we will continue to do that.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Manny Furuhar from LARINC. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: You guys, you have Ryan on for Monty. I'll add my congrats on the deal and thanks for taking our questions. So, maybe first, just a follow-up on a prior question around paying down debt through the BD cash flow from Sarepta and other agreements. So, does that mean you plan to utilize this new cash to cover the interest expense on the debt or are you planning to actively pay down the principal? And, you know, the latter, to what degree and on what time horizon should we expect that? And then, real quick, maybe just circling back to the $300 million near-term milestone for DM1 enrollment, any specifics you guys can provide on the $100 and $200 million milestones and how those are achieved?
Speaker Change: So I can't get too granular on that, but I can tell you that it has to do, as you mentioned, with the DM-1.
And it just has to do with
with, you know, with, with
with when a certain number of
Speaker Change: of patients have been dosed within, you know, some of the early cohorts.
Speaker Change: We are on track, I believe, you know, to reach that.
Speaker Change: over the first three or so quarters of 2025. Look, that can change as those studies go on, but at least right now, that is our hope. That's our expectation.
Speaker Change: Regarding the debt, we will be paying down both interest and principal over time as cash comes in through SREPTA as well as through other partnerships.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Our next question comes from William Pickering as an analyst for Bernstein. Your line is open.
Speaker Change: Hi, thank you for taking my question and congrats on the deal. You made some reference to cardiomyocyte targets during the prepared remarks, and I was wondering if you could expand on what sorts of indications you're interested in here, whether it's rare or higher prevalence. Is there a clear demarcation between the cardio targets that you want to pursue independently versus what Sarepta has dibs on? Thank you.
Speaker Change: So, so I don't know where they're going to go or when they're going to do that. We have some ideas on on targets. And so, you know, my expectation would be that probably sometime in 2025, you might hear a bit more about that.
Thank you. One moment for our next question.
Speaker Change: Our next question will be a follow-up from Mayank Mamtani from B. Reilly. Your line is open.
Mayank Mamtani: Thanks for taking my follow-up. Could you also touch on how your TFR ligand-based targeted approach is different than maybe the other brain shuttle approaches being looked at, and what attributes you feel allow you to optimally target, I believe MAPT, you know, there's a couple of approaches being looked at there.
And thanks for taking my call out.
Speaker Change: And I think structurally, we said it was TFR targeted, but we didn't describe the structure any more specifically than that.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And as there are no further questions at this time, I would now like to turn it back over to Chris Anzalone for closing remarks.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thanks very much, everyone, for joining us today. This has been an important day for us. You know, with this Sarepta deal, we're excited about what that's done for us as a company. We're excited about working with Sarepta. So thanks for joining on the call today, and I wish you all a happy Thanksgiving.