Q4 2024 Shell PLC Earnings Call

January 30, 2025

Operator: Welcome to Shell's Q4 2024 Financial Results Announcement. Shell's CEO, Wael Sawan, and CFO, Sinead Gorman, will present the results. They will then host a Q&A session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press star two. We will now begin the presentation.

Welcome to Shell's fourth quarter 2024 financial results announcement.

Shell's CEO, Wael Sawan, and CFO Sinead Gorman will present the results. They will then host a Q&A session.

Speaker Change: If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press star 2. We will now begin the presentation.

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Wael Sawan: Welcome everyone. Today, Sinead and I will present Shell's Q4 and full year 2024 results. 2024 was another strong year for Shell. Despite some softness in our Q4 earnings impacted by some non-cash items, this year we delivered the second highest cash flow from operations in our history. The culture that we are building with a focus on performance, discipline, and simplification has been key to achieving these results, enabling us to make great progress in delivering more value with less emissions. Let me start with safety, which remains our top priority. While I'm pleased with the improvements we've seen in personal safety this year, we must continue to do more on process safety and focus on delivering the fundamentals. We will focus on returning to the downward trend of previous years, including leveraging new technologies such as sensors, robotics, and AI.

Speaker Change: Welcome everyone. Today Sinead and I will present Shell's fourth quarter and full year 2024 results.

Speaker Change: 2024 was another strong year for Shell. Despite some softness in our Q4 earnings impacted by some non-cash items, this year we delivered the second highest cash flow from operations in our history.

Speaker Change: The culture that we are building with a focus on performance, discipline and simplification has been key to achieving these results, enabling us to make great progress in delivering more value with less emissions.

Let me start with safety, which remains our top priority.

Speaker Change: Whilst I'm pleased with the improvements we've seen in personal safety this year, we must continue to do more on process safety and focus on delivering the fundamentals.

Wael Sawan: We will focus on returning to the downward trend of previous years, including leveraging new technologies such as sensors, robotics, and AI. These technologies have already started to have an impact, but there is so much more running room to go, and I'm encouraged by the progress that we are starting to see. Now on to Capital Markets Day 2023 and the progress that we are making against our targets. CMD 2023 was an important milestone for us, and due to the efforts of so many across the organization, we are ahead of schedule across the majority of our key targets and ambitions. Starting with structural costs, where we achieved a reduction of $3.1 billion by the end of 2024, one year ahead of our end 2025 target date and above the range of $2 to 3 billion that we set in 2023.

Speaker Change: We will focus on returning to the downward trend of previous years, including leveraging new technologies such as sensors, robotics and AI. These technologies have already started to have an impact but there is so much more running room to go and I'm encouraged by the progress that we are starting to see.

Wael Sawan: These technologies have already started to have an impact, but there is so much more running room to go, and I'm encouraged by the progress that we are starting to see. Now on to Capital Markets Day 2023 and the progress that we are making against our targets. CMD 2023 was an important milestone for us, and due to the efforts of so many across the organization, we are ahead of schedule across the majority of our key targets and ambitions. Starting with structural costs, where we achieved a reduction of $3.1 billion by the end of 2024, one year ahead of our end 2025 target date and above the range of $2 to 3 billion that we set in 2023.

Speaker Change: Now on to Capital Markets Day 2023 and the progress that we are making against our targets. CMV23 was an important milestone for us and due to the efforts of so many across the organization we are ahead of schedule across the majority of our key targets and ambitions.

Speaker Change: Starting with structural costs, where we achieved a reduction of 3.1 billion dollars by the end of 2024, one year ahead of our end 2025 target date, and above the range of 2 to 3 billion dollars that we set in 2023.

Wael Sawan: The first year of these reductions was more heavily weighted towards portfolio actions, but we have now entered the phase that increasingly leans towards reducing costs through performance initiatives and simplification. On CapEx, I'm really proud of the discipline that we have shown, whether that be through the pausing of projects such as our biofuels project in Rotterdam or passing on opportunities that did not meet our high bar for investment. At CMD 23, we lowered our CapEx range from previous years, and in 2024, because of our focus on value creation, our CapEx number ended below the lower end of our guidance. All of this, together with our improved operational performance, enabled us to outperform our targets for absolute free cash flow growth and free cash flow per share growth, and we have distributed this additional cash to our shareholders.

Speaker Change: The first year of these reductions was more heavily weighted towards portfolio actions, but we have now entered the phase that increasingly leans towards reducing costs through performance initiatives and simplification.

Speaker Change: On Capex, I'm really proud of the discipline that we have shown, whether that be through the posing of projects such as our biofuels project in Rotterdam, or passing on opportunities that did not meet our high bar for investment.

Speaker Change: At CMD23, we lowered our CapEx range from previous years, and in 2024, because of our focus on value creation, our CapEx number ended below the lower end of our guidance.

Speaker Change: All of this, together with our improved operational performance, enabled us to outperform our targets for absolute free cash flow growth and free cash flow per share growth.

Speaker Change: and we have distributed this additional cash to our shareholders. At CMD23 we increased our distribution range from 20-30% of CFFO to 30-40% and we have delivered at the top end of that range.

Wael Sawan: At CMD 23, we increased our distribution range from 20 to 30% of CFFO to 30 to 40%, and we have delivered at the top end of that range. In 2024, we returned more than $22.5 billion to our shareholders, primarily through buybacks, just as we said we would. All of this while further strengthening our balance sheet. Moving forward, we will continue to preferentially allocate incremental capital to buybacks given the attractiveness of our shares, which are underpinned by the significant progress that we are making as an organization. Now, let's look at how we are delivering less emissions alongside more value. In 2024, we abated more than 1 million tons of CO2 from our operations. This allowed us to keep our total scope one and two emissions roughly flat compared with last year despite increased asset utilization.

Speaker Change: In 2024, we returned more than $22.5 billion to our shareholders, primarily through buybacks, just as we said we would. All of this while further strengthening our balance sheet.

Speaker Change: Moving forward, we will continue to preferentially allocate incremental capital to buybacks, given the attractiveness of our shares, which are underpinned by the significant progress that we are making as an organization. Now, let's look at how we are delivering less emissions alongside more value.

Speaker Change: This allowed us to keep our total Scope 1 and 2 emissions roughly flat compared with last year, despite increased asset utilization. To date, we have achieved 60% of the reductions required to meet our 2030 target.

Wael Sawan: To date, we have achieved 60% of the reductions required to meet our 2030 target. Methane emissions remained well below our 0.2% target for 2025, and routine flaring remained flat year on year. We achieved a reduction in the net carbon intensity of the products that we sell, moving us closer to our target of a 15 to 20% reduction by 2030 compared with 2016 levels. Progress against our carbon targets will not always be linear, but our plans are clear, and we have shown that when we commit to something, we deliver it. Let's now move to the progress that we've made on strengthening our portfolio. In our Deepwater business, we saw Whale and Mero 3 come online, adding significant production volumes.

Speaker Change: Methane emissions remained well below our 0.2% target for 2025 and routine flaring remained flat year-on-year. And we achieved a reduction in the net carbon intensity of the products that we sell, moving us closer to our target of a 15 to 20 percent reduction by 2030 compared with 2016 levels.

Speaker Change: Progress against our carbon targets will not always be linear but our plans are clear and we have shown that when we commit to something we deliver it.

Speaker Change: Let's now move to the progress that we've made on strengthening our portfolio.

Speaker Change: In our deporter business, we saw Wael and Meru3 come online, adding significant production volumes.

Wael Sawan: At CMD 2023, we said we would deliver new projects with more than 500,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day of peak production by the end of 2025. Today, we've delivered over 80% of that with 2025 just beginning. In addition, we took a final investment decision on Bonga North in Nigeria this quarter, a project that's expected to deliver peak production of 110,000 barrels of oil per day. Another example demonstrating the strength and attractiveness of our project funnel. Earlier in 2024, we also further strengthened our leading Integrated Gas portfolio through the acquisition of Pavilion. We entered into the Ruwais LNG project in Abu Dhabi, and we took final investment decisions on a number of important projects such as Manatee in Trinidad and Tobago.

Speaker Change: At CMD23, we said we would deliver new projects with more than 500,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day of peak production by the end of 2025. Today, we've delivered over 80% of that with 2025 just beginning.

Speaker Change: In addition, we took a final investment decision on Bonga North in Nigeria this quarter, a project that's expected to deliver peak production of 110,000 barrels of oil per day, another example demonstrating the strength and attractiveness of our project funnel.

Speaker Change: Earlier in 2024, we also further strengthened our leading integrated gas portfolio through the acquisition of Pavilion, we entered into the Ruwais LNG project in Abu Dhabi, and we took final investment decisions on a number of important projects such as Manatee in Trinidad and Tobago.

Wael Sawan: We continue to look for innovative ways to unlock value across our existing portfolio. In the North Sea, we recently announced an incorporated joint venture with Equinor, adopting a new business model to deliver more value from our existing UK assets. In downstream and renewables, we continue to strengthen and high-grade our portfolio. In mobility, we completed the divestment of Shell Pakistan, helping us achieve our capital markets day aim of disposing of 500 sites annually. At the same time, we have now installed more than 70,000 EV public charge points globally, achieving yet another aim 1 year ahead of schedule. In renewables and energy solutions, we completed the acquisition of a combined cycle power plant in Rhode Island, and we are progressing well with the construction of our Holland Hydrogen I project, which will be Europe's largest renewable hydrogen plant once operational.

Speaker Change: And we continue to look for innovative ways to unlock value across our existing portfolio. And in OCE, we recently announced and incorporated a joint venture with Equinor, adopting a new business model to deliver more value from our existing UK assets.

Speaker Change: At the same time, we have now installed more than 70,000 EV public charge points globally, achieving yet another aim one year ahead of schedule.

Wael Sawan: In renewables and energy solutions, we completed the acquisition of a combined cycle power plant in Rhode Island, and we are progressing well with the construction of our Holland Hydrogen I project, which will be Europe's largest renewable hydrogen plant once operational. In chemicals, we took a final investment decision to expand our CSPC Petrochemicals joint venture with CNOOC in Daya Bay, China. We are focusing the portfolio in areas where we can create value while also ensuring that we take opportunities to high-grade, and all of these decisions are leading to improved delivery across the company. With that, I'll hand over to Sinead, who will tell you more about our financial results and financial framework.

Speaker Change: In renewables and energy solutions, we completed the acquisition of a combined cycle power plant in Rhode Island, and we are progressing well with the construction of our Holland Hydrogen One project, which will be Europe's largest renewable hydrogen plant, once operational.

Wael Sawan: In chemicals, we took a final investment decision to expand our CSPC Petrochemicals joint venture with CNOOC in Daya Bay, China. We are focusing the portfolio in areas where we can create value while also ensuring that we take opportunities to high-grade, and all of these decisions are leading to improved delivery across the company. With that, I'll hand over to Sinead, who will tell you more about our financial results and financial framework.

Speaker Change: And in chemicals, we took a final investment decision to expand our CSPC Petrochemicals joint venture with CNOOC in Daya Bay, China.

Speaker Change: And with that I'll hand over to Sinead who will tell you more about our financial results and financial framework

Sinead Gorman: Thank you, Wael. Let's start with adjusted earnings, where we delivered $3.7 billion this quarter. While cash flow was strong, adjusted earnings reflected a lower macro and non-cash items such as well write-offs, in addition to lower trading and optimization. This was partly offset by another quarter of strong operational performance. Our cash flow from operations was some $13.2 billion despite normal Q4 cash outflows, such as the annual payments for the biofuel programs. I mentioned the strong operational performance this quarter, but if we take a step back and look at 2024, it was a year of improvements across the organization. Integrated Gas and Upstream performance improved year-on-year. At Prelude and QGC, we achieved record availability, resulting in our highest ever production.

Thank you, Wael. Let's start with adjusted earnings.

where we delivered 3.7 billion dollars this quarter.

Speaker Change: Whilst cash flow was strong, adjusted earnings reflected a lower macro and non-cash items such as well write-offs in addition to lower trading and optimisation.

Speaker Change: This was partly offset by another quarter of strong operational performance.

Speaker Change: Our cash flow from operations was some $13.2 billion despite normal Q4 cash outflows, such as the annual payments from the biofuel programs.

Speaker Change: I mentioned a strong operational performance this quarter, but if we take a step back and look at 2024, it was a year of improvements across the organisation.

Integrated gas and upstream performance improved year-on-year.

Speaker Change: At Prelude and QGC, we achieved record availability, resulting in their highest ever production.

Sinead Gorman: In chemicals, we saw improved utilization thanks to the ramp-up of all three units at Shell Polymers Monaca. In marketing, we achieved the strongest annual adjusted earnings since 2020 at some $3.9 billion, just missing our end-2025 target despite a higher oil price than premised. Mobility and lubricants had a great year, with lubricants delivering its highest result. All of this enabled us to achieve a full year adjusted earnings total of $23.7 billion. On cash, we generated $54.7 billion of CFFO, our second-best year on record. While our free cash flow was $39.5 billion, higher than 2023 despite the lower price environment. Moving to our financial framework. Our 2024 cash CapEx totaled $21.1 billion.

Speaker Change: In chemicals, we saw improved utilisation, thanks to the ramp-up of all three units at Shell Polymers Mononaka.

Speaker Change: And in marketing, we achieved the strongest annual adjusted earnings since 2020 at some $3.9 billion, just missing our end 2025 target despite a higher oil price than premised.

Speaker Change: Mobility and Lubricants had a great year, with Lubricants delivering its highest result.

Speaker Change: All of this enabled us to achieve a full year adjusted earnings total of $23.7 billion.

Speaker Change: And on cash, we generated $54.7 billion of CFFO, our second best year on record. Whilst our free cash flow was $39.5 billion, higher than 2023 despite the lower price environment.

Moving to our financial framework.

Our 2024 Cash CapEx totaled $21.1 billion.

Sinead Gorman: We were able to invest for growth across the businesses while also maintaining a high bar for investment. Our cash CapEx range for the full year 2025 is expected to be lower than our 2024 range. We will provide more specific guidance at our upcoming Capital Markets Day. We further strengthened our balance sheet and reduced net debt by $4.7 billion year-on-year, while absorbing additional leases from major projects such as LNG Canada. We continue to deliver compelling shareholder distributions. Today, we announced another $3.5 billion share buyback program, which we expect to complete by the Q1 results announcement in May. This is the thirteenth consecutive quarter in which we have announced $3 billion or more in buybacks.

Speaker Change: We were able to invest for growth across the businesses, whilst also maintaining a high bar for investment.

Speaker Change: Our cash capex range for the full year 2025 is expected to be lower than our 2024 range. We will provide more specific guidance at our upcoming Capital Markets Day.

Speaker Change: We further strengthened our balance sheet and reduced net debt by 4.7 billion dollars year-on-year whilst absorbing additional leases from major projects such as LNG Canada.

Speaker Change: We continue to deliver compelling shareholder distributions. Today we announced another $3.5 billion share buyback program which we expect to complete by the Q1 results announcement in May.

Sinead Gorman: In addition, earlier today, we also announced a 4% increase in our dividend, in line with our progressive dividend policy, delivering even more value to our shareholders. With that, I'll hand back to Wael.

Speaker Change: In addition, earlier today we also announced a 4% increase in our dividend, in line with our progressive dividend policy, delivering even more value to our shareholders. And with that, I'll hand back to Wael.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. 2024 was a strong year for Shell, and we made significant progress towards our targets. I'm proud of the hard work and dedication demonstrated across the organization that has driven these achievements. Our operation performance has improved. We've brought some outstanding projects online, and we've taken final investment decisions that will help strengthen Shell for years to come. Putting aside our strong delivery, 2024 was also an important year for us, given the external context. We're pleased with the Dutch court's ruling in favor of Shell in the Milieudefensie case. We continue to believe our strategy is the right one for the global energy transition, and as a result, we will deliver more value with less emissions. As we build on the momentum that we have created, we aim to be the investment case through the energy transition.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. 2024 was a strong year for Shell, and we made significant progress towards our target. I'm proud of the hard work and dedication demonstrated across the organisation that has driven these achievements.

Wael Sawan: Our operation performance has improved. We've brought some outstanding projects online and we've taken final investment decisions that will help strengthen Shell for years to come.

Wael Sawan: Putting aside our strong delivery, 2024 was also an important year for us given the external context.

Wael Sawan: We're pleased with the Dutch court's ruling in favor of Shell in the MD case. We continue to believe our strategy is the right one for the global energy transition, and as a result, we will deliver more value with less emissions.

Wael Sawan: As we build on the momentum that we have created, we aim to be the investment case through the energy transition. Now, I'd like to highlight two upcoming events. First, our annual LNG outlook, which will be published on 25 February. On 25 March, we will host our Capital Markets Day in New York, where I really hope you can all join us as we outline the next steps of our journey. Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Now, I'd like to highlight two upcoming events. First, our annual LNG outlook, which will be published on 25 February. On 25 March, we will host our Capital Markets Day in New York, where I really hope you can all join us as we outline the next steps of our journey. Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Now, I'd like to highlight two upcoming events. First, our annual LNG Outlook, which will be published on the 25th of February. And then, on the 25th of March, we will host our Capital Markets Day in New York, where I really hope you can all join us as we outline the next steps of our journey.

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Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. People dialed in, if you have a question, please press star one. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press star two. Phone callers are requested to mute the audio on their computer webcast and listen attentively to their telephone audio as we begin to progress through the telephone questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session.

Wael Sawan: People dialed in, if you have a question please press star 1

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Wael Sawan: Phone callers are requested to mute the audio on their computer webcast and listen attentively to their telephone audio as we begin to progress through the telephone questions.

Wael Sawan: Thank you for joining us today. We hope that after watching this presentation, you've seen how we delivered strong results this year and how we are delivering on our targets. Today, Sinead and I will be answering your questions. Now, please, could we have just one or two questions each so that everyone has the opportunity. With that, can we have the first question, please, Seymour?

Speaker Change: Thank you for joining us today. We hope that after watching this presentation, you've seen how we delivered strong results this year and how we are delivering on our targets.

Speaker Change: Today Sinead and I will be answering your questions and now please could we have just one or two questions each so that everyone has the opportunity and with that can we have the first question please Seymour. Our first caller is Lydia Rainforth from Barclays.

Operator: Our first caller is Lydia Rainforth from Barclays.

Lydia Rainforth: Thank you, and good afternoon to both of you, and thank you for the call. Wael, when I think about the DNA, there's obviously been a lot of progress that you've made from 2023. Can you just talk about what philosophy you want to take going forward to help realize some of the value in the shares that you talked about? Are we thinking about now the base as being really good, so you can think about more of a radical agenda, in a kind of Trumpian fashion? Or are you thinking that continued consistency in approach is probably still the best one for you? Secondly, can you just talk about access to reserves in Canada?

Speaker Change: Thank you and good afternoon to both of you and thank you for the call.

Speaker Change: When I think about the D&D, there's obviously been a lot of progress that you've made from 2023.

Speaker Change: Can you just talk about what philosophy you want to take?

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Speaker Change: And then secondly, can you just talk about access to reserves in Canada? Obviously, we've had the debugging of Ground Birch and as you think about the round-up of LNG Canada and potentially a sanction of Phase 2...

Lydia Rainforth: Obviously, we've had the debooking of Groundbirch, and as you think about the ramp-up of LNG Canada and potentially a sanction of phase two, do you have enough access organically to gas and oil fields in Canada? 'Cause when I think about CapEx and just that organic versus inorganic discussion. Thanks.

Speaker Change: Do you have enough access organically to gas molecules in Canada, when I think about CAPEX and just that organic versus inorganic discussion? Thanks. Thank you for those questions. I'll take the first one and maybe Sinead if you want to pick up the second one.

Wael Sawan: Lydia, thank you for those questions. I'll take the first one and maybe, Sinead, if you wanna pick up the second one. Yeah, on your first question, what's the philosophy? I think where we started in 2023, we said very clearly we have an organization that has an amazing set of assets, a great portfolio, a great set of capabilities, and that what we needed to do was to build a couple of key things. One, we needed to be able to make sure we consistently deliver results and do so through the cycle. That point around consistency will hold not just for today, not for tomorrow, but I think throughout. Because we are still in a capital-intensive cyclical industry, where value is created through the life cycle.

Speaker Change: On your first question, so what's the philosophy? I think where we started in 2023, we said very clearly we have an organisation that has an amazing set of assets, a great portfolio, a great set of capabilities and that what we needed to do was to build a couple of key things.

Speaker Change: and do so through the cycle. So that point around consistency...

Speaker Change: will hold not just for today not for tomorrow, but I think throughout because we are still in a capital-intensive cyclical industry

Wael Sawan: What we want to try to do is make sure that we focus on the areas like performance, discipline, simplification, and inculcate that into our culture, 'cause I think that's a critical part of what we do. Part of the consistency is not just the delivery, but also the distributions, which is what you see us doing. 13 quarters in a row of $3+ billion, we need to create that. I think the second key piece we want to continue to do is to create a machine, a Shell machine, that also has resilience through the cycle. That we can generate cash to be able to take some of those countercyclical opportunities, to have a healthy balance sheet, to be able to do that. And that's what we are trying to establish. Now, we have moved a long way.

Speaker Change: where value is created through the life cycle and what we want to try to do.

Speaker Change: is make sure that we focus on the areas like performance, discipline, simplification and inculcate that into our culture. Because I think that's a critical part of what we do.

Speaker Change: And part of the consistency is not just the delivery, but also the distributions, which is what you see us doing, 13 quarters in a row of 3 plus billion dollars. We need to create that.

Speaker Change: I think the second key piece we want to continue to do is to create a machine, a shell machine that also has resilience through the cycle.

Speaker Change: that we can generate cash to be able to take some of those counter-cyclical opportunities to have a healthy balance sheet to be able to do that.

Speaker Change: And that's what we are trying to establish. Now, we have moved a long way. Capital Markets Day, 23 to now, you have seen us, in essence, do what we said we're going to do.

Wael Sawan: Capital Markets Day '23 to now, you have seen us, in essence, do what we said we're going to do, or a bit more. Of course, I'm playing out the structural cost reductions and the like. From here on, it's going to be we still have a lot more to do, and we have a bit more range now to look at other things, and you'll hear more about that, of course, in Capital Markets Day. Sinead?

Speaker Change: or a bit more and of course I'm playing out the structural cost reductions and the like and so from here on it's going to be we still have a lot more to do and we have a bit more range now to look at other things and you'll hear more about that of course in Capital Markets Day.

Sinead Gorman: Thanks, Wael. Thank you, Lydia. Indeed, on Groundbirch. Two parts to that a little bit. First of all, around the debooking and release to the reserves, and then about what do we actually need. First and foremost, yeah, as you know, SEC bookings, et cetera, are very highly regulated, so they follow a specific process. In this case, it was really around the YAP, so the year average pricing that played out, which meant that the Groundbirch volumes got debooked. As you know, that came about because of very low AECO pricing, which of course is due to almost the thinking process around LNG Canada coming up.

Thanks, Sinead. Thanks, Wael.

Speaker Change: And thank you Lydia. Indeed on Grindr, so two parts to that a little bit. So first of all around the debooking and related to the reserves and then about what do we actually need.

So first and foremost...

Yeah, as you know...

Speaker Change: SEC bookings, etc. are very highly regulated, so they follow a specific process. In this case, it was really around the YAP, so the Year Average Pricing, that played out, which meant that the Grime Birch volumes got...

Debugged.

Speaker Change: As you know, that came about because of very low ACO pricing, which of course is due to almost the thinking process around LNG Canada coming up.

Sinead Gorman: What people were doing was booking, getting ahead of it and being able to produce the wells early on to sell into the market, and that of course drove the price down when Henry Hub was already very, very low, and they had no ability to evacuate down to the US. Technical debooking. Of course, as you know, what we focus on in reserves very much is always around our contingent resources and the ability to extract value across things rather than the technical aspect of it. Second part of your question, of course, was around what do we actually need. With LNG Canada, which is great progress and hoping to move forward towards the first cargo, of course, middle of the year, same as we've talked about before.

Speaker Change: So what people were doing was getting ahead of it and being able to produce the wells early on to sell into the market and that of course drove the price down when Henry Hub was already very very low and they had no ability to evacuate down to the US.

Speaker Change: Technical Debooking, and of course, as you know, what we focus on in Reserves very much is always around our contingent resources and the ability to extract value across things rather than the technical aspect of it.

Speaker Change: The second part of your question, of course, was around what do we actually need? And with LNG Canada, which is great progress and hoping to move forward towards the first cargo, of course, in the middle of the year, same as we've talked about before, we've also talked about the ability for us to either buy in the market, so ACO directly, or to be able to produce our own volumes.

Sinead Gorman: We've also talked about the ability for us to either buy in the market, so AECO directly, or to be able to produce our own volumes. We have that beautiful hedge implicitly in that. What we see now, of course, is with very low AECO pricing. If it stays like that, I don't expect it to, but if it were to stay like that, we would be able to just take from the market, and we will not, you know, actually produce that much in. The alternative, of course, is if we are lower than where the market goes to, we will produce our own numbers. LNG Canada phase two is also the part you brought to. That's for the future, and we look forward to working towards a proper decision on that.

So we have that beautiful hedge implicitly in that.

Speaker Change: So what we see now, of course, is with very low eco-pricing, if it stays like that, I don't expect it to, but if it were to stay like that, we would be able to just take our own, sorry, to be able to take from the market, and we will not, you know, actually produce that much in. The alternative, of course, is if we are lower than where the market goes to, we will produce our own numbers.

Speaker Change: LNG Canada Phase 2 is also the part you were brought to. That's for the future and we look forward to working towards a proper decision on that, but at the moment it's about getting LNG Canada Phase 1 up and running and getting the cargos out.

Sinead Gorman: At the moment, it's about getting LNG Canada Phase 1 up and running and getting the cargoes out. Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Thanks, Sinead. Thank you, Lydia, for the question. Seymour, can we go to the next question, please?

Speaker Change: Thank you. Thanks Sinead. Thank you Lydia for the questions. Seymour can we go to the next question please? Our next question is from Doug Leggett at Wolf Research.

Operator: Our next question is from Doug Leggate at Wolfe Research.

Doug Leggate: Wael, thanks for taking my questions. Wael and Sinead, I wonder if I could take two completely different topics. The first one is with the Nigerian announcement that they had approval at the end of December, and obviously Singapore is still pending, and I think you have the Pavilion sales or reduction in terms of your interests currently pending. Can you give us an idea where things stand on the disposal visibility for 2025? My follow-up is really on the progress on the cost cutting. Obviously delivered the full number, 80% of the 500,000 barrels a day. You've done a lot of things that are really to reset the balance sheet.

Doug Leggett: Thanks for taking my questions. Wael and Sinead, I wonder if I could take two completely different topics. The first one is...

Speaker Change: With the Nigerian announcement that they have approval at the end of December, and obviously Singapore is still pending, I think you have the power.

Speaker Change: you know, sales or reduction in terms of your interests currently pending. Can you give us an idea where things stand on the disposal visibility for 2025? My follow-up.

Speaker Change: is really on the, you know, the progress on the cost-cutting obviously delivered the full number 80% of the 500,000 barrels a day. You've done a lot of things.

Doug Leggate: At what point would the dividend growth start to get a bit more attention over and above just the pace of the buyback? 'Cause at least from our standpoint, that seems to be what's holding back that market recognition of value.

Wael Sawan: Let me touch on the first one without giving a specific number at this stage, and then maybe if you want to talk about the second one, Sinead. Let me just maybe pause there, Doug, and just update you on where things are. I mean, I think firstly on Nigeria, indeed, as you said, consent came through. We're still reviewing the conditions of that consent are in, and are engaging with the regulator to be able to close that. That sort of will hopefully play out through the course of this year. Singapore, we're weeks away from hopefully getting to that completion. An important milestone for us, and indeed another proof point of doing what we said we were going to do.

Speaker Change: Just update you on where things are. I mean, I think firstly on Nigeria indeed as you said consent

Speaker Change: came through. We're still reviewing the conditions of that consent and are engaging with the regulator to be able to close that.

Speaker Change: That sort of will hopefully play out through the course of this year. Singapore, we're weeks away from hopefully getting to that completion. An important milestone for us and indeed another proof point of doing what we said we were going to do.

Wael Sawan: From a power perspective, we have, of course, evolved our strategy into one that is much more focused on how we are able to offtake electrons with investments in batteries, but essentially also looking at flex investments or to take those offtakes, those electrons through into our trading organization, which continues to be a real differentiated capability. We're not putting numbers out there in terms of each of those, what we're realizing in terms of proceeds. I think suffice it to say that where we are focused is very much maximizing value from those divestments and strategically moving that capital into areas that we see more productive opportunities for ourselves in. Sinead.

And then from a power perspective, we have, of course,

Speaker Change: focused on how we are able to offtake electrons with investments in batteries but essentially also looking at flex investments or to take those offtake those electrons through into our trading organization which continues to be a real differentiated capability.

Speaker Change: We're not we're not putting numbers out there in terms of each of those what what we're realizing in terms of proceeds but I think suffice it to say that where we are focused is very much maximizing value from those divestments and strategically moving that capital into areas that we see more productive opportunities for ourselves in.

Sinead Gorman: Indeed, thanks, Doug. Certainly your recognition of what we were doing in the company is appreciated. As you say, it's beyond just cost cutting. It's about actually changing an overall company. Yes, OpEx is down. Yes, CapEx is down. Fundamentally this is about driving value. You know we have a free cash flow per share metric, and that's very much our focus by creating value for each and every shareholder. In terms of distributions, we have consistent distributions, as you know, in terms of both the progressive dividend, hence the 4%, but also in terms of the buybacks.

Sinead

Speaker Change: Thanks, Doug, and certainly your recognition of what we were doing in the company is appreciated. And as you say, it's beyond just cost-cutting. It's about actually changing an overall company. So yes, OPEX is dying. Yes, CAPEX is dying. But fundamentally, this is about driving value. And you know we have a free cash flow per share metric, and that's very much our focus, by creating value for each and every shareholder.

Speaker Change: In terms of distributions, we have consistent distributions as you know in terms of

Sinead Gorman: Remember, 13th quarter in a row, $3 billion or above, which is giving you a bit of a feel for that consistency and the thought process behind it, where we really value that and have a preferential distribution towards buybacks at the marginal dollar. Of course, it just makes sense for us. Buybacks are a great investment in our undervalued assets, of course, particularly when it's at this sort of share price, and that's where we focus at the moment.

Speaker Change: particularly when it's at this sort of share price, and that's where we focus at the moment.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. Thank you for the question, Doug. If we can go, Seymour, to the next question, please.

Speaker Change: Thank you Sinead. Thank you for the question Doug. If we can go see more to the next question, please Our next question is from Matt Lofting at JP Morgan

Operator: Our next question is from Matt Lofting at J.P. Morgan.

Matt Lofting: Hi. Thanks both for taking the questions. I've asked two, if I could. First, just reflecting on your earlier comments. Execution on the strategic sprint phase has been very effective through the last 12, 18 months. I wonder that the extent to which delivering on aspects like the cost reduction objectives so early indicates the opportunity set that you see to enhance value and margins within Shell's existing asset base is even greater than perhaps you initially anticipated. I wonder if you could just share some thoughts on that. Secondly, Integrated Gas and hedging. It sort of seemed that non-cash derivative and hedging effects in IG were a key component of the lower EPS baseline versus cash generation in Q4.

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Matt Lofting: While that appeared to be some more quarter-specific in nature, perhaps could you just clarify whether there's material out-of-the-market derivative position still on the book that could trigger a repeat of that going forward? Thank you.

Matt Lofting: While that appeared to be somewhat quarter specific in nature perhaps, could you just clarify whether there's material out of the market derivative position still on the book that could trigger a repeat of that going forward? Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Thank you for those two questions, Matt. I'll take the first one and then have Sinead maybe respond to the second one. Thank you for the recognition of the progress on the sprint. The way I'd characterize it is, you know, if I go back to this set of outstanding assets in this portfolio, you know, we're blessed with a very, very good hand. What we have found as we have prosecuted the performance discipline simplification drive in the organization is it, of course, started to challenge existing paradigms. Paradigms that have been long lasting in the organization. For example, our dependence on a very big contractor community in our IT spend. We have now reduced that by some 30%. The way we do work, the amount we travel.

If I go back to this...

Wael Sawan: set of outstanding assets in this portfolio, you know, we're blessed with a very, very good hand.

Wael Sawan: And what we have found, as we have prosecuted the performance discipline simplification drive in the organization, is it of course started to challenge existing paradigms.

Wael Sawan: paradigms that have been long lasting in the organization. So, for example, our dependence on a very big contractor community in our IT spend, we have now reduced that by some 30%.

Wael Sawan: We have, for example, cut our travel expenses from the pre-COVID time by some 30 to 40%, in 2024. Those are just examples. You can expand that into the way we mature projects, where we used to often keep them too long in the funnel, spending a lot of money on them, before we decide to can them or progress with them. The way we do our supply chain sourcing. All to say that as we have gone into that space, we have discovered that we can do things differently. That's why you saw the accelerated delivery of the structural cost reductions. Also that's why you saw the delivery of the more disciplined approach to capital allocation. We thought that it was going to take us a couple of years.

Wael Sawan: Those are just examples. You can expand that into the way we mature projects, where we used to often keep them too long in the funnel, spending a lot of money on them before we decide to can them or progress with them, the way we do our supply chain sourcing.

Wael Sawan: All to say that, as we have gone into that space, we have discovered that we can do things differently.

Wael Sawan: And that's why you saw the accelerated delivery of the structural cost reductions, but also that's why you saw the delivery of the more disciplined approach to capital allocation. We thought that it was going to take us a couple of years.

Wael Sawan: From year 1, we were already able to bring it into the 22 to 25 range, and in year 2, we were able to come below that range. I think, and I believe this organization has huge potential. Our collective job is to make sure that we create the space, the ecosystem for our people to unlock it. So far they have responded very positively, and I'm very convinced there is more to go. Sinead.

Wael Sawan: From year one, we were already able to bring it into the 22 to 25 range. And in year two, we were able to come below that range. And so I think—

Speaker Change: And I believe this organization has huge potential. Our collective job is to make sure that we create the space, the ecosystem, for our people to unlock it. And so far they have responded very positively and I'm very convinced there is more to go.

Sinead Gorman: Indeed. Thank you, Matt. You asked specifically about Integrated Gas, and of course you're referring to the fact of their earnings rather than cash, which of course was strong. What you're referring to is the non-cash impact of expiring legacy paper contracts or hedge contracts. We don't tend to disclose in terms of specific hedging and why do we not do that? Because we tend to do risk management, of course, at a portfolio level typically and across many seasons. Specifically on this one, what you'll see in our unaltered accounts, which we've published, we talk about it this quarter, and we bring together both the derivative side or the hedge contracts on this side and the realized price. You see it as being some $340 million. For this quarter, that's the impact, non-cash, into the earnings.

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Speaker Change: Indeed, and thank you Matt. And you asked specifically about Integrated Gas and of course you're referring to the fact of their earnings rather than cash which of course was strong. So what you're referring to is the non-cash impact of expiring legacy paper contracts or hedge contracts.

Speaker Change: So we don't tend to disclose in terms of specific hedging and why do we not do that because we tend to do risk management of course on a portfolio level typically and across many seasons but specifically on this one what you'll see in our on older accounts which we've published.

and you see it as being some $340 million.

For this quarter, that's the impact, non-cash, into the earnings.

Sinead Gorman: I do expect these legacy contracts to roll off over Q1, Q2, and Q3, so I expect an earnings impact of at least a few hundred million USD across both Q1, Q2, and Q3, so similar to this quarter. Of course, with derivatives, we have our hedges, we have them at the portfolio level, so there'll be pluses and takes across that, but it's non-cash. Thanks, Matt.

Speaker Change: plus with some techs across there, but it's non-cash. Thanks Matt.

Wael Sawan: Thank you for the question, Matt. Thanks, Sinead. Can we go to the next question, please, Seymour?

Speaker Change: Thank you for the question, Matt. Thanks, Sinead. Can we go to the next question, please, Seymour? Our next question is from Biraj Borkataria at RPEC.

Operator: Our next question is from Biraj Borkhataria at RBC.

Biraj Borkhataria: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Obviously, you've made a lot of progress on the operational performance side and momentum on the cost. I just wanted to get a bit of clarity on how you're approaching sanctioning major projects. I saw the China chemicals expansion, FID. Could you just talk a little bit about the investment case for that project, how you're seeing the chemicals market? And I'm thinking in context of, you know, a number of the projects you may have sanctioned over recent years. A lot of them would have looked better at the time of FID than what they turned out to be in reality. What makes you confident that this one is more robust? And then the second one was just following up on your comments on the sort of projects in the funnel.

Biraj Borkataria: Thanks for taking my questions. Obviously, you've made a lot of progress on the operational performance side and have momentum on the cost. I just wanted to get a bit of clarity on how you're approaching.

Biraj Borkataria: sanctioning major projects. I saw the China chemical expansion FID. Could you just talk a little bit about the investment case for that project?

Speaker Change: how you're seeing the chemicals market. And I'm thinking in context of, you know, a number of the projects you may have sanctioned over recent years, a lot of them would have looked better at the time of FID than what they turned out to be in reality. So what makes you confident that this one is more robust?

Speaker Change: And then the second one was just following up on your comments on the sort of projects in the funnel. You wrote off your exploration efforts in Namibia. Could you just give a bit more color on any future plans you have there and maybe a bit of color on that? Thank you.

Biraj Borkhataria: You wrote off your exploration efforts in Namibia. Could you just give a bit more color on any future plans you have there and maybe a bit of color on that? Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Thanks, Biraj. I'll take both. I think very quickly starting with the Namibia one, and then I'll come back to the broader question. Indeed, where there is no doubt in Namibia is there is a lot of oil. The reason for the impairment, of course, is more to do with our inability to be able to find a commercial pathway to be able to monetize that resource. That in no way means that there won't be opportunities, and we continue to look at those. Of course, there's a lot of drilling happening in neighboring blocks. We continue to do our own analysis of the data that we have, so we have a lot of data that we are using.

Speaker Change: Thanks, Biraj. I'll take both. I think very quickly starting with the Namibia one, and then I'll come back to the broader question. Indeed, so what is where there is no doubt in Namibia is there is a lot of oil.

Speaker Change: The reason for the impairment, of course, is more to do with our inability to be able to find a commercial pathway to be able to monetize.

Speaker Change: that resource. And so that by no way means that there won't be opportunities, and we continue to look at those. So, of course, there's a lot of drilling happening in neighboring blocks. We continue to do our own analysis of the data that we have, so we have a lot of data that we are using.

Wael Sawan: Suffice it to say, at this stage, we don't see that commercial pathway and therefore triggering the impairment. Who knows? If things change, there'll be a different view. At this stage, this is a prudent way of being able to move ahead. On the broader capital allocation frame, I'd start from a position of humility around the fact that we haven't always had a great track record in capital allocation. It's something which Sinead and I have spent a lot of time thinking through, and trying to learn from the past and trying to improve. We do a lot of what we call post-investment learnings and understand everything from, was the strategic context the wrong one? Was the Do we have something behaviorally? Do we have something structurally?

Speaker Change: But suffice it to say, at this stage, we don't see that commercial pathway and therefore triggering the impairment. Who knows? If things change, there will be a different view. But at this stage, this is a prudent way of being able to move ahead.

humility around the fact that

Speaker Change: Sinead and I have spent a lot of time thinking through and trying to learn from the past and trying to improve. We do a lot of what we call post-investment learnings and understand everything from was the strategic context the wrong one, do we have something behaviorally, do we have something structurally, and we're putting a lot of remedies in place to be able to move us in the right direction.

Wael Sawan: We're putting a lot of remedies in place to be able to move us in the right direction. At the heart of it, when we're thinking through capital allocation choices, we start from the perspective of how are we able to drive towards our North Star of free cash flow per share accretion. Right? When we look at these projects, we look at them from what is the risk profile of that project, and then what is the return for that project. What you're finding is in a place like China, what we see is you have a terrific market where demand for chemicals continues to grow fast. We have a great platform in CSPC.

Speaker Change: At the heart of it, when we're thinking through capital allocation choices, we start from the perspective of how are we able to drive towards our North Star of free cash flow per share accretion.

Speaker Change: And when we look at these projects, we look at them from, what is the risk profile of that project?

Speaker Change: And then what is the return for that project? And what you're finding is in a place like China, what we see is you have a terrific market where demand for chemicals continues to grow fast.

Wael Sawan: We have one of the lowest cost delivery machines in the world when it comes to big infrastructure projects, as we've seen in the first two phases of that project. We have technology which we are deploying that allows us to have performance products coming out of that. You put all that together, it gives us confidence in that opportunity. We're still, by the way, within the Capital Markets Day '23 guidance of keeping our capital employed in chemicals flat through to the end of the decade. What we're doing is we're building off existing platforms. The final thing I would say is while we look at all those capital opportunities come our way, we keep a very close eye on how the risk-reward balance there stacks up against the buybacks.

Speaker Change: We have a great platform in CSPC. We have one of the lowest cost delivery machines in the world when it comes to big infrastructure projects, as we've seen in the first two phases of that project.

Speaker Change: We have technology which we are deploying that allows us to have performance products coming out of that.

Speaker Change: You put all that together, it gives us confidence in that opportunity. We're still, by the way, within the capital market state 23 guidance of keeping our capital employed in chemicals flat through to the end of the decade. But what we're doing is we're building off existing platforms.

Speaker Change: The final thing I would say is, while we look at all those capital opportunities come our way, we keep a very close eye on how the risk-reward balance there ranks up against the buybacks.

Wael Sawan: Because at the end of the day, we're here to create shareholder value, and sometimes that will mean this project does not make the cut because on the balance, it's better to go for the buybacks. You saw us deliver some of that in the context of the 2024 results with the $21 billion of cash CapEx. Let me leave it there, Biraj. Hopefully, that addresses the context. Seymour, can we go to the next question, please?

Speaker Change: Because at the end of the day, we're here to create shareholder value. And sometimes that will mean this project does not make the cut, because on the balance, it's better to go for the buybacks. And you saw us deliver some of that in the context of the 2024 results with the $21 billion of cash cap expense.

Biraj Borkataria: Let me leave it there, Biraj, hopefully that addresses the context.

Operator: Our next question is from Joshua Stone at UBS.

Seymour: Seymour, can we go to the next question please? Our next question is from Josh Stone at UBS.

Joshua Stone: Yeah. Thanks. Hi, good afternoon. Two questions, please. Firstly, coming onto chemicals, you highlighted all three units are now up and running at Monaca. When I look at your results, it's, you know, it's not obvious that it's coming through to the bottom line. We went to an even deeper loss in Q4. Maybe just probably a bit more insight there. What's the contribution from the Monaca cracker, and where are the offsets coming from the portfolio? When do you expect this business can return to being at a break-even level at the net income line? Then, second question on the court ruling. You know, you won your appeal on the Milieudefensie case.

Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks. Hi, good afternoon. Two questions, please. Firstly, coming onto chemicals, you highlighted all three units are now up and running at Monaco.

Speaker Change: When do you expect this business can return to being at a break-even level at the next income line? And then a second question on the court ruling, you won your appeal on the MD case. I just think when you're thinking about your investment priorities for the next five years, does this judgment have any implications in your view and how you're planning to allocate capital?

Joshua Stone: I just think when you're thinking about your investment priorities for the next five years, does this judgment have any implications in your view in how you're planning to allocate capital? Thanks.

Wael Sawan: Thank you very much for that. I'll let you answer the first question in a moment and then come back to it. Maybe if you can build off Biraj's question just around the finance part.

Thanks.

Speaker Change: Thank you very much for that. I'll let you answer the first question in a moment and then come back to it. And maybe if you can build off Baradj's question just around the finance of China as well.

Biraj Borkhataria: Of course.

Sinead Gorman: Of course.

Wael Sawan: of China as well. To the question there on Josh, on the Milieudefensie case. When the Milieudefensie case came through, of course, we were in the midst of going through our own thinking around where we wanted to go as a company. We had already chosen through the 2020-2022 period to already have a number of targets out there from a carbon perspective. In a way, irrespective of where the case was going to go, we had already set our path and we were moving in the direction we wanted.

Speaker Change: So to the to the question there on Josh on on the MDK so

When the MD case came through, of course...

Speaker Change: We were in the midst of going through our own thinking around where we wanted to go as a company, and we had already chosen.

Speaker Change: through the 2020-2022 period to already have a number of targets out there from a carbon perspective.

And in a way,

Speaker Change: Irrespective of where the case was going to go, we had already set our path and we were moving in the direction we wanted. Our biggest concern and the reason we appealed that was the fact that the control of strategy was almost being advocated to be with a court in The Hague rather than actually with the board where it should be. And so we were very pleased with the outcome of that case.

Wael Sawan: Our biggest concern, and the reason we appealed that, was the fact that the control of strategy was almost being advocated to be with a court in The Hague rather than actually with the board where it should be. We were very pleased with the outcome of that case, and hope to conclude it subject to the appeal, which happens by middle of February. The Milieudefensie have the option to do that. How does it change our perspective? Very little. I mean, the Milieudefensie case did not change our perspective on how we were investing.

Speaker Change: and hope to conclude it subject to the appeal which happens by middle of February. The MDE have the option to do that.

How does it change our perspective? Very little.

Speaker Change: The MD case did not change our perspective on how we were investing. We were very much going through in a responsible way, having set the targets we set, with a conviction that ultimately the energy transition is not going to be solely driven by what energy suppliers do, but at the heart of it by what customers demand and by what regulators incentivize.

Wael Sawan: We were very much going through in a responsible way, having set the targets we set with a conviction that ultimately the energy transition is not going to be solely driven by what energy suppliers do, but at the heart of it, by what customers demand and by what regulators incentivize. We will continue to drive it from a prudent capital allocation basis, and nothing's changed in that. Sinead?

Speaker Change: And so we will continue to drive it from a prudent capital allocation basis and nothing's changed in that.

Sinead Gorman: Thank you. Just as you say, while you mentioned about Biraj's question on China. Just also say, of course, when we allocate capital, we're looking at every single dollar. China is one of those unusual situations where it's a standalone joint venture, and we're project financing it. It's not about putting significant amounts of our own capital in. This is about ensuring that we utilize financing that is out there because of the standalone nature and its ability to generate its own cash flows. That just gives you a feel from where are we allocating capital. Josh, you asked specifically on Monaca. Monaca is indeed all three up and running of the units. That's being progressed through Q4. Those are now focused very much on both the reliability of that, but also getting more products into the slate.

Sinead

Sinead Gorman: Thank you. And just as you say, while you mentioned about Baraj's question on China...

So just also to say, of course...

When we are

Sinead Gorman: When we look at capital we're looking at every single dollar and China is one of those unusual situations where it's a standalone joint venture and we're project financing it. So it's not about putting significant amounts of our own capital in, this is about ensuring that we utilize financing that is out there because of the standalone nature and its ability to generate its own cash flows.

Sinead Gorman: And Josh, you asked specifically on MONACA, so MONACA is indeed all three up and running off the units, so that's been progressed through Q4.

Sinead Gorman: You see them begin to generate more and more money coming through from that, and that will continue as we progress through the year. Of course, regional margins are very, very different. What you see, of course, is you're very much very low, shall we say at the moment, very weak. North America, actually more on mid-cycle, and we're working on Monaca to be able to take advantage of that and pull it through. I expect to see this year being the year where they actually begin to show into our numbers a little bit more. One of the things you mentioned, though, is about Chemicals & Products being a little bit weaker. What I would say, of course, it's also related to our trading and optimization. It's Q4, and we saw less coming through on the trading side there.

into the slate.

Sinead Gorman: So you see them begin to generate more and more money coming through from that and that will continue as we progress through the year. Of course, regional margins are very, very different.

Sinead Gorman: Very low, shall we say at the moment, very weak, but North America actually more on mid-cycle and we're working on Monaco to be able to take advantage of that and pull it through. So I expect to see this year being the year where they actually begin to show into our numbers a little bit more. One of the things you mentioned though is about C&P or chemicals and products.

Sinead Gorman: being a little bit weaker. What I would say, of course, is also related to our trading and optimization, so it was Q4.

Speaker Change: and we saw less coming through on the trading side there, just less activity in the market and that played out relative to Q3. So it's probably just a good distinguishing aspect as well. Thanks. Good, thanks for that Sinead, thanks Josh. If we go to the next question please. Our next question is from Alistair Sim at Citi.

Sinead Gorman: Just less activity in the market, and that played out relative to Q3. It's probably just a good distinguishing aspect as well. Thanks.

Wael Sawan: Good. Thanks for that, Sinead. Thanks, Josh. If we go to the next question please, Seymour.

Operator: Our next question is from Alastair Syme at Citi.

Alastair Syme: Hi, thanks for the call. Sinead, a quick point of clarification on the indicative CapEx guide that you're giving. Where I think you said the 2025 range will be lower than the 2024 range. Just for clarification that we're talking a 2024 reference that relates back to CMD 2023. So that would be the $20 to 25 billion range. I just wanna check if I've got that baseline right. And then secondly, you know, how do you think about LNG, you know, European, Asian gas markets, given all this LNG supply that's coming in down the pipes? Do you feel a need to do anything different to prepare the business for this change in market dynamics? Thanks.

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Alistair Sim: Hi, thanks for the call. Sinead, a quick point of clarification on the indicative CAPEX guide that you're giving, where I think you said the 2025 range would be lower than the 2024 range. Just for clarification,

Alistair Sim: but we're talking a 2024 reference that relates back to CMD 23 so that would be the 20 to 25 billion range. I just want to check if I've got that baseline right.

And then secondly, how do you think about LNG?

Wael Sawan: Thanks for that, Alastair. Do you wanna quickly take the first one?

Sinead Gorman: Yeah, very happy to. Alastair, exactly. What we're looking at, of course, is we set a range in CMD 2023 of $22 to 25 billion. What we've said is that we expect this year's CapEx to be below the range of $22 to 25. You're exactly spot on. The range will be lower than $22 to 25. That's all we've said at the moment, and really look forward to being able to discuss both our thinking of that and more detail on that in March on our Capital Markets Day.

Thanks.

Speaker Change: Thanks for that answer. Do you want to quickly take the first one? Yeah, I'm very happy to and Alastair, exactly. What we're looking at, of course, is we set a range in CMD 23 of 22 to 25 billion and what we've said is that we expect this year's CAPEX to be below the range of 22 to 25, so exactly spot-on, so the range will be lower than 22 to 25.

Alistair Sim: That's all we've said at the moment and really look forward to be able to discuss both our thinking of that and more detail on that in March on our Capital Markets Day.

Wael Sawan: To your question there, Alastair, on LNG, maybe just take a moment to sort of ground us with what we are seeing at the moment. 2024 was very light on new supply, so roughly 1% addition compared to the 400 million tons sort of global market. We anticipate 2025 will be of a similar magnitude. That's two relatively slow years at a time when latent demand continues to grow. Now, you have two sort of different stories at the moment, is what we see. In Europe, of course, the low storage that we see at the moment, that's just around 55% or so, which is low compared to the five-year average and could end up around 30% or even lower.

And to your question there, Alistair, on LNG...

Alistair Sim: Maybe just take a moment to sort of ground us with what we are seeing at the moment.

Alistair Sim: 2024 was very light on youth supply, so roughly 1% addition.

Alistair Sim: compared to the 400 million tonne sort of global market. We anticipate 2025 will be of a similar magnitude. So that's two relatively slow years.

Alistair Sim: at a time when latent demand continues to grow. Now you have two sort of different stories at the moment is what we see. In Europe, of course, the low supplies that, the low storage that we see at the moment, that's.

Alistair Sim: Just around 55% or so, which is low compared to the five-year average and could end up around 30% or even lower.

Wael Sawan: Of course the Russian situation does mean that there's quite a bit of demand still in Europe. Asia, a bit softer, and partly because of price sensitivity, partly because of a warmer winter, and partly because storage is healthy there. You are going to see interbasin plays. As we look beyond that, the big question is what is the latent demand going to be? Because we know that at around $10 per million BTU, you have a lot of demand coming through. We've seen it, for example, in shipping. Significant growth in shipping demand for LNG. We've seen it in LNG trucking in China and in India.

Alistair Sim: does mean, and of course the Russian situation does mean, that there's quite a bit of demand still in Europe. Asia a bit softer and partly because of price sensitivity, partly because of a warmer winter and partly because storage is healthy there. So you are going to see inter-basin plays.

Alistair Sim: As we look beyond that, the big question is what is the latent demand going to be? Because we know that at around $10 per million BTU, you have a lot of demand coming through. We've seen it, for example, in shipping.

Alistair Sim: significant growth in shipping demand for LNG. We've seen it in LNG trucking in China and in India.

Wael Sawan: Of course, we will see it play out in industry as many industries sort of go back to gas where they have the opportunity to do so. I don't have the luxury of just looking at the LNG market over the next 2 to 3 years. We need to be looking at it 10, 20, 30 years. It is a very robust market. 50+% growth between now and 2040. Really the opportunity for us to be able to take the incoming LNG Canada volumes, the Qatari volumes, many of our LNG market creating opportunities, and to really continue to cement ourselves through that. While recognizing that it'll take time as Pavilion comes through for us, as LNG Canada comes through for us. We've always said 2025 was the year of balance in our supply portfolio.

Alistair Sim: And of course we will see it play out in industry as many industries sort of go back to gas where they have the opportunity to do so.

Alistair Sim: And so I don't have the luxury of just looking at the LNG market over the next two to three years We need to be looking at it 10, 20, 30 years It is a very robust market, 50 plus percent growth between now and 2040

Alistair Sim: and really the opportunity for us to be able to take the incoming LNG Canada volumes, the Qatari volumes, many of our LNG market-creating opportunities and to really continue to cement ourselves through that.

Alistair Sim: While recognizing that it'll take time as Pavilion comes through for us, as LNG Canada comes through for us, we've always said 2025 was the year of balance in our supply portfolio. We don't have as much length as ideally we would like, but of course we start to come into that length as we get towards the end of the year.

Wael Sawan: We don't have as much length as ideally we would like, but of course, we start to come into that length as we get towards the end of the year. Thank you for the question, Alastair. If we can go to the next question, please, Seymour.

Speaker Change: Thank you for the question, Alistair. If we can go to the next question, please, Seymour. Our next question is from Martijn Rats at Morgan Stanley.

Operator: Our next question is from Martijn Rats at Morgan Stanley.

Martijn Rats: Hi. Hello. I've got two for me. I recognize they're probably not a follow-up question we can answer if the answer is not addressed in a couple of remarks there, but I'm gonna give it a go nonetheless. I was wondering about the refining portfolio in Shell, in the sense that, look, it's not that long ago that there were tens and tens of refineries. We're down to sort of five, but out of those two, Singapore being sold, the Rheinland refinery in Germany being repurposed, so we're sort of down to three. Now they're quite large in and of themselves, but of course, three is a fairly small number.

Martijn Rats: Hi, hello. I've got two FMA. I recognize they're probably not an awful lot of questions we can answer, which the answer is not. We'll address it in a couple of marks there, but I'm going to give it a go nonetheless. I was wondering about the refining portfolio in Shell in the sense that, look, it's not that long ago that there were tens and tens of refineries. We're down to sort of five, but out of those two, Singapore being sold, the Rhineland refinery in Germany being repurposed. So we're down to three, and now they're quite

and of themselves, but...

Martijn Rats: I was wondering if refining still has sort of critical mass within Shell or whether we should also expect that you know much reduced portfolio at some point become disposal targets. I wanted to ask you about that. The other one, perhaps a bit more technical, but there is of course a reference to the additional lease obligations that will come when the Pavilion deal is completed. Can you give an indication of sort of the magnitude of what we should expect, you know, and put in our models for when that comes through in terms of the increase in the lease obligations?

Martijn Rats: Of course, three is a fairly small number. And I was wondering if refining still has sort of critical mass within shell, or whether we should also expect that that...

Martijn Rats: in a much reduced portfolio of just sort of three units also at some point become to disposal targets. I wanted to ask you about that. And then the other one, perhaps a bit more technical, but there is, of course, a reference to the additional lease obligations that will come when the pavilion deal is.

Wael Sawan: Thank you for those questions, Martin. Let me take the first one, and then Sinead will address the second one. Look, I think what you said around our refining portfolio, of course, this was part of a long-standing strategic belief that we wanted to right size our refining footprint, which has brought us down from north of 50 to indeed sort of single digit at the moment. We have no plans to sort of get out of refining altogether. Where we do have a strategic interest is to make sure that the midstream, the refining capacity, the storage, the pipelines are very much in service of what is a leading trading capability. Our ability to be able to continue to meet our customers' demand by having what I would call asset-light infrastructure.

Speaker Change: Thank you for those questions, Martijn. Let me take the first one and then Sinead will address the second one.

Speaker Change: We have no plans to sort of get out of refining altogether. Where we do have a strategic interest is to make sure that the midstream, the refining capacity, the storage, the pipelines, are very much in service of what is a leading trading capability.

Speaker Change: and our ability to be able to continue to meet our customers' demand by having what I would call asset-right infrastructure.

Wael Sawan: Our trading business or our trading capability allows us to be able to really sort of draw on third party supplies, but that needs to be underpinned with our own supply. By the way, I wouldn't be shocked if we take a small minority equity interest in a refinery one day to be able to underpin that flow. But we're not looking to expand our refining, our operated refining footprint. If we do anything, it'll be very selective investments to be able to just protect and support our flow. But we see this as a long-term play, not a let's sort of shrink ourselves out of this play. Sinead.

Speaker Change: So our trading business, our trading capability allows us to be able to really sort of draw on third-party supplies, but that needs to be underpinned with our own supply. So, by the way, I wouldn't be shocked if we take a small minority equity interest in a refinery one day to be able to underpin that flow, but we're not looking to expand our refining, our operated refining footprint. And if we do anything, it'll be

Speaker Change: Very selective investments to be able to just protect and support our flow, but we see this as a long-term play not a Let's let's sort of shrink ourselves out of this play

Sinead Gorman: Yeah. No. Thank you, Martijn. On this one, of course, we have to wait until it completes to be able to see the exact numbers. But indicatively it's less than LNG Canada, and roughly speaking, you're in the $1 to 2 billion sort of mark. Let's see where it comes through. I'm expecting it to be probably a little bit towards the lower part of that range that I've given you. As I say, they're continuing to operate, of course, and we close in the course of hopefully Q1, Q2. Thank you.

Speaker Change: On this one, of course, we have to wait until it completes to be able to see the exact numbers, but indicatively it's less than LNG Canada and roughly speaking we're in the one to two billion sort of mark. But let's see where it comes through. I'm expecting it to be probably a little bit towards the end of that range, lower part of that range that I've given you. But as I say, they're continuing to operate, of course, and we close in the course of hopefully Q1, Q2. Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Thanks, Sinead. Thank you, Martijn. Seymour, can we go to the next question, please?

Speaker Change: Thanks, Sinead. Thank you, Martijn. Seymour, can we go to the next question, please?

Operator: Our next question is from Ryan Todd at Piper Sandler.

Ryan Todd: Great. Thanks. Maybe first question on inorganic spend. You've done a great job driving capital down, capital spend levels lower over the last couple of years. But it's also been characterized by noticeably low levels of inorganic spend. How should we think about your approach to, or appetite for acquisition going forward? And maybe any thoughts or comments on how you would characterize the markets across your portfolio, you know, EMP, low carbon, et cetera. And then secondly, on CapEx trends. I mean, as we think about the go forward, I appreciate the guide into 2025, but going forward, if the potential for further downward pressure, is that more likely to be driven by capital avoidance, similar to what we've seen from the Rotterdam Biofuels project?

Speaker Change: Great, thanks. Maybe first question on on inorganic spend. You've done a great job driving capital down, capital spend level lower the last couple of years.

Speaker Change: But it's also been characterized by noticeably low levels of inorganic spend. How should we think about your approach to or appetite for acquisition going forward? And maybe any thoughts or comments on how you would characterize the markets?

Speaker Change: across your portfolio, you know, EMP, low-carbon, et cetera. And then secondly, on CapEx trends, I mean, as we think about the go-forward, I appreciate the guidance in 2025, but going forward,

Speaker Change: If the potential for further downward pressure, is that more likely to be driven by capital avoidance, similar to what we've seen from the Rotterdam Biofuels Project? Or are there other trends in terms of cost reductions, efficiencies, etc. that you believe can continue to drive further downward pressure on CAPEX?

Ryan Todd: are there other trends in terms of cost reductions, efficiencies, et cetera, that you believe can continue to drive further downward pressure on CapEx?

Wael Sawan: All right. Thank you for those, Ryan. Do you wanna take those two?

Sinead Gorman: Yep, certainly. Thank you, Ryan. I'll take actually the second one first. With respect to the second one, in terms of CapEx trends, what is it? Are we seeing, you know, further cost avoidance? Are we seeing efficiencies, et cetera? What we see there is a bit of a mixture. Yes, you mentioned the Rotterdam HEFA project, of course. That's where we see, of course, stopping CapEx. Actually what we're seeing is the teams are really just digging deep to be able to be more efficient in what they're doing. We see that on the well side.

Speaker Change: Alright, thank you for those Ryan. Do you want to take those too? Yeah, certainly. So thank you Ryan. I'll take actually the second one first.

Speaker Change: So, with respect to the second one, in terms of CapEx trends, what is it? Are we seeing, you know, further around avoidance? Are we seeing efficiencies, etc.? What we see there is a bit of a mixture. So yes, you mentioned the Rotterdam Heifer project, of course.

Speaker Change: That's where we see, of course, stopping CapEx. But actually what we're seeing is the teams are really just digging deep to be able to be more efficient in what they're doing. We see that on the Wael side, we see it in actually our project execution as well, where we're seeing people being very, very thoughtful about where they spend and looking at what a risk tolerance is and what we can do to ensure that we drive the best we can out of our contracts.

Sinead Gorman: We see it in actually our project execution as well, where we're seeing people being very, very thoughtful about where they spend and looking at what our risk tolerance is and what we can do to ensure that we drive the best we can out of our contracts. Actually, while you see inflation, of course, being quite hard in the last year, you see our team has been able to really work hard to absorb as much of that as possible. That came through also in OpEx as well. You'll see more of that come through on both the CapEx and OpEx side.

Sinead Gorman: You then ask about inorganic, and of course, what we've done is our capital has come down in the last couple of years, and particularly if you look at what we've done in 2024, we've really been about, you know, very limited inorganic in there. It's roughly sort of $1 to 2 billion is in there from an inorganic point of view. That's not because we're not seeing opportunities. We're not seeing opportunities that hit our very high bar at the end of the day. This is about a value lens. We're very much focused on every investment decision we make is benchmarked against our shares. We will be absolutely happy and willing to do deals where we see growth and value, and you see that Pavilion being a case in point.

Speaker Change: You then ask about inorganic, and of course what we've done is...

Speaker Change: Our capital has come down in the last couple of years and particularly if you look at what we've done in 2024.

Speaker Change: But that's not because we're not seeing opportunities. We're not seeing opportunities that hit our very high bar at the end of the day. So this is about a value lens. We're very much focused on every investment decision we make is benchmarked against our shares.

Sinead Gorman: Plenty of others where you see smaller deals that we're doing where we take a couple of percentage points in Gulf of Mexico or other places. We are about investing for the future, but fundamentally, it's about making sure we compare what is the best alternative. That drop in inorganic is probably key to say. Most of that has been around downstream renewables, because we're high-grading and transforming a business where we've spent a lot in the past and we now need to deliver the returns against that as well. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you Sinead, and thank you Ryan for that. If we can go to the next question please, Seymour.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. Thank you, Ryan, for that. If we can go to the next question, please, Seymour.

Operator: Our next question is from Christopher Kuplent from Bank of America.

Speaker Change: Our next question is from Christopher Coupland from Bank of America

Christopher Kuplent: Yeah. Thank you. Good afternoon. Just two more quick ones, hopefully. Wanted to check what is currently the most tempting option for you to not cut capital. I appreciate you've done extremely well on the CapEx front, but actually deploy more capital. You've written off those wells in Namibia, Canada, and AECO is causing you pain on the reserve replacement front, but wouldn't that speak in favor of an expansion of LNG Canada, or are you excited about Argentina. I appreciate we're not gonna get a list of projects now from you, Wael, but maybe you can give us a bit of a hint where you're currently most tempted to deploy more capital. At the same time, perhaps a question for you, Sinead.

Christopher Coupland: Yeah, thank you. Good afternoon. Just two more quick ones, hopefully. I wanted to check what is currently the most tempting option for you to not cut capital. I appreciate you've done extremely well on the CapEx front, but actually deploy more capital. You've written off those wells in Namibia.

Speaker Change: Canada and ACO is causing you pain on the reserve replacement front but wouldn't that speak in favor of

Speaker Change: An expansion of color LNG, or are you excited about Argentina? So I appreciate we're not going to get a list of projects now from you well, but maybe you can give us a bit of a hint where you're currently most tempted to deploy more capital. And at the same time, perhaps a question for you, Shunade, you've put your 30 to 40% power policy back on the slide. And I wonder whether you aren't worried that this looks a little out of date. I mean, CFO , the way you use it,

Christopher Kuplent: You've put your 30 to 40% payout policy back on the slide, and I wonder whether you aren't worried that this looks a little out of date. I mean, CFFO, the way you use it, has been flat. Payout ratios have been above 40% for 2 years in a row now. How do you address investors' concerns that if CFFO, for whatever reason, goes down, your cash return run rate doesn't go down with it, considering that you're already through the upper end of that range? Thank you.

Speaker Change: How do you address investors' concerns that if CFFO, for whatever reason, goes down, your cash return run rate doesn't go down with it, considering that you're already through the upper end of that range?

Wael Sawan: Super. Thank you, Christopher Kuplent, for those. I will start with the first one, and then ask Sinead Gorman to cover the second one. Look, if I link back to a previous question, we are not approaching capital allocation from a dogmatic perspective, Christopher Kuplent. I mean, I think that is the big thing that we are trying to change from the lessons of history, where we have said, "Hey, look, this is the direction we need to take, therefore buy through the cycle," rather than actually one of the best things about our portfolio is we have breadth. We have leadership positions in multiple parts of the portfolio. We can be patient, and we can capture opportunities at the right points rather than trying to rush into that.

Thank you

Speaker Change: Super, thank you Christopher for those and I will start with the first one and then ask you mate to cover the second one

Look, if I link back to the previous question...

We are not approaching

Speaker Change: One of the the best things about our port for you

Speaker Change: is we have breadth, we have leadership positions in multiple parts of the portfolio, we can be patient and we can capture opportunities at the right points rather than trying to rush into that. And even more so now given the underpriced value of our shares we can actually come in and buy shares to be able to continue to deliver value from the cash that we're generating. So we have multiple options.

Wael Sawan: Even more so now, given the underpriced value of our shares, we can actually come in and buy shares to be able to continue to deliver value from the cash that we're generating. We have multiple options. To some of the examples where we could deploy, I think picking up exactly where Sinead left off, downstream renewables, we have deployed quite a lot of capital, and now it's about delivering the returns, which means you move closer to the Integrated Gas and upstream space. There we have opportunities through the funnel. We've just taken one of them with Bonga North in Nigeria.

Speaker Change: To some of the examples where we could deploy, I think picking up exactly where Sinead left off, downstream renewables, we have deployed quite a lot of capital, and now it's about delivering the returns, which means you move closer to the integrated gas and upstream space.

Wael Sawan: And there we have opportunities through the funnel. We've just taken one of them with Bonga North in Nigeria. LNG Canada will be one that, when the venture is ready to put a proposal in front of us, we will scrutinize it and we will look at it in the context of, does it give us the appropriate return for the risk that we would be taking?

Wael Sawan: LNG Canada will be one that when the venture is ready to put a proposal in front of us, we will scrutinize it, and we will look at it in the context of, does it give us the appropriate return for the risk that we would be taking? You mentioned Argentina. We're also investing there, and are encouraged by what we're seeing from the new government. But again, we want to be able to make sure that capital is going to compete with other options. So I'd say we're really continuing to look. Of course, inorganic will play in that if we find interesting opportunities.

Wael Sawan: You mentioned Argentina. We're also investing there and are encouraged by what we're seeing from the new government. But again, we want to be able to make sure that that capital is going to compete with other options.

Sinead Gorman: I'd sort of, I'd say we're really continuing to look, and of course inorganic will play in that if we find interesting opportunities. But like Sinead said, the bar is very high, and to be able to beat buying back our shares with the risk profile that comes with that is not easy at the moment.

Wael Sawan: Like Sinead said, the bar is very high, and to be able to beat buying back our shares with the risk profile that comes with that is not easy at the moment. Sinead.

Sinead Gorman: Indeed, thanks, Chris, for the question. Indeed, where are we at the moment? 30 to 40% payout policy, and for four-quarter rolling basis, we're at 41%. But more than that, we've actually had 13 quarters where we have now hit $3 billion or above in terms of share buybacks, with prices varying. At different points, I've leaned on the balance sheet, and at different points we've been very thoughtful. That pragmatism that we've talked about before comes through. Hopefully that shows you consistency and predictability in terms of what we're doing. Any updates to our financial framework, as you know, I'm going to tell you will be at Capital Markets Day 2025, but I hope it's clear that we are distributing at Shell with a thoughtful point where predictability, consistency, and resilience matters.

Should I?

Indeed, and thanks Chris for the question.

Sinead Gorman: Sinead, where are we at the moment? 30% to 40% payout policy in four...

Sinead Gorman: but more than that we've actually had 13 quarters where we have now hit 3 billion or above in terms of share buybacks with prices varying and at different points

I've leaned length on the balance sheet.

Sinead Gorman: And at different points, we've been very thoughtful. So that pragmatism that we've talked about before comes through. So hopefully that shows you consistency and predictability in terms of what we're doing.

Sinead Gorman: So, any updates to our financial framework? As you know, I'm going to tell you we'll be at capital markets day 25, but I hope it's clear that we are distributing at Shell with a thoughtful point where predictability, consistency and resilience matters. And of course we have a balance sheet strength which will allow us to underpin that.

Sinead Gorman: Of course, we have a balance sheet strength which will allow us to underpin that. To remind you, I mean, where are we sitting on gearing at the moment? If I exclude leases, you know, from a net debt point of view, I'm roughly at about $10 billion, and if you do it from a gearing point of view, it's less than 5%. This is from the point of view of net of leases. I hope that gives you a feel on our thinking around that.

Sinead Gorman: So to remind you, I mean, where are we sitting on gearing at the moment? So if I exclude leases, you know, from a net debt point of view, I'm roughly at about $10 billion. And if you do it from a gearing point of view, it's less than 5%. This is from the point of view of net of leases. So I hope that gives you a feel on our thinking around that.

Wael Sawan: Thanks, Christopher. Thanks, Sinead. Seymour, can we go to the next question, please?

Speaker Change: Thanks Christopher, thanks Sinead. Seymour, can we go to the next question please?

Christopher Kuplent: Our next question is from Lucas Herrmann at BNP.

Our next question is from Lucas Herman at BNP

Lucas Herrmann: Yeah, thanks very much, Sinead, Wael. Two if I might. One apology is slightly philosophical. The first is straightforward. Pavilion. Can you give us any, you know, better guidance as to when you actually expect that transaction to complete? The second, Wael, is really to you, and it. I'm just intrigued as to your own perception as to why it is that, you know, despite the very strong cash performance, earnings performance, you essentially doing what you said you'd do, you know, the shares continue to languish on, I'd say a pretty insulting multiple, but then, you know, that's my view, not necessarily yours.

why it is that

Speaker Change: Despite the very strong cash performance, earnings performance, you essentially doing what you said you'd do, the shares continue to languish on, I'd say, a pretty insulting multiple, but then that's my view, not necessarily yours. It's simply to get your perception of what it is that needs to happen to drive the multiple ahead.

Lucas Herrmann: It's simply to get your perception of what it is that needs to happen to drive the multiple ahead, given the market increasingly seems to recognize what you are doing and the benefits are very clearly coming through in, you know, the numbers that you're presenting. Thanks.

Speaker Change: Given the market increasingly seems to recognize what you are doing and the benefits are very clearly coming through in the numbers that you're presenting.

Wael Sawan: Thank you very much, Lucas. I'll pick up the second one if you wanna touch on the first one.

Speaker Change: Thank you very much, Lucas. I'll pick up the second one if you want to touch on the first one.

Lucas Herrmann: Sure.

Sinead Gorman: Sure.

Wael Sawan: Look, where I'll start with is, as an engineer, I fundamentally believe in the forces of gravity. I do believe that, if you keep doing the right thing long enough, you will see that value coming through. You will see that rerating coming through. If I reflect back on the last two years, since the beginning of 2023, and I look at our performance share price-wise compared to all of our peers, American, and European, I'm pleased with the momentum we have. Of course, we'd like more, but ultimately the market will dictate what the fair share price is. What we can do, and my own belief is, focus on what we can control.

Speaker Change: Look, where I'll start with is, as an engineer, I fundamentally believe in the forces of gravity.

Speaker Change: and I do believe that if you keep doing the right thing long enough

Speaker Change: You will see that value coming through, you will see that re-rating coming through.

Speaker Change: If I reflect back on the last two years, since the beginning of 2023, and I look at our performance share price-wise compared to all of our peers, American and European,

Speaker Change: I'm pleased with the momentum we have. Of course we'd like more, but ultimately the market will dictate what the fair share price is. What we can do, and my own belief, is focus on what we can control.

Wael Sawan: What we can control is just making the right decisions, building the confidence that the investors have in this management team, demonstrating a strong track record of delivery. We recognize we have a lot to make up for, whether it was the dividend cut or whether it's our ability to be able to deliver the returns on some of the capital investments we've made in the past. This is our opportunity now to be able to demonstrate that. I'm very pleased with the momentum, but as I said earlier, there is a lot more to do.

and what we can control is

Speaker Change: just making the right decisions, building the confidence that the investors have in this.

Speaker Change: management team, demonstrating a strong track record of delivery. We recognize we have a lot to make up for, whether it was the dividend cut or whether it's our ability to be able to deliver the returns on some of the capital investments we've made in the past. This is our opportunity now to be able to demonstrate that.

Speaker Change: And I'm very pleased with the momentum, but as I said earlier, there is a lot more to do.

Wael Sawan: While this discrepancy continues, what a fantastic opportunity for those who believe in our story, to hold on or to buy more as we continue to buy back our own shares and really deliver the free cash flow per share accretion that I think is exciting and one of the sort of opportunities in this sector to really ride the wave. That's all my own view, Lucas. Sinead.

Speaker Change: And while this discrepancy continues, what a fantastic opportunity for those who believe in our story.

Speaker Change: to hold on or to buy more as we continue to buy back our own shares and really deliver the free cash flow per share accretion that I think is exciting and one of the sort of opportunities in the sector to really ride the wave. And so that's on my own view, Lucas.

Sinead Gorman: Thank you. On the first one on Pavilion, Lucas, waiting for regulatory approvals, hoping and expecting them by the end of Q1, but we'll see what occurs. Of course, with Pavilion giving timing of flows, et cetera, I expect it to really start having an impact in 2026, but we will see it come in in the course of this year. Thanks.

Speaker Change: On the first one on Pavilion, Lucas, waiting for regulatory approvals, hoping and expecting them by the end of Q1, but we'll see what occurs. And of course, with Pavilion giving a timing of flows, etc., I expect it to really start having an impact in 2026, but we will see it come in in the course of this year. Thanks.

Wael Sawan: Thank you for that, Sinead and Lucas. Maybe, Seymour, if we can go to the next one, please.

Speaker Change: Thank you for that Sinead and Lucas and maybe Seymour if we can go to the next one please.

Operator: Our next question is from Giacomo Romeo from Jefferies.

Giacomo Romeo: Yes, thank you. Two remaining questions for me. I'd like to go back to the discussion around the Canadian gas price and LNG Canada, and try to understand at what price condition in the AECO market will you be looking to develop your own resources. Obviously, you said it wouldn't make sense at the moment. But I'm just trying to understand at what price level you think you'd consider to start developing your own resources. If I stay on LNG Canada, look at the potential for an FID on the second phase, you talked about sort of indication from local governments.

Speaker Change: Yes, thank you. Two remaining questions for me, and one I'd like to go back to the discussion around the Canadian gas price and Energy Canada and try to understand what price condition in the eco-market will you be looking to develop your own resources? Obviously, now it wouldn't

Price level you think you consider to start developing your own resources. And if you can stay on the road.

Speaker Change: on LNG Canada and look at the potential for an FID on the second phase. You talked about some indication from local governments. What other key hurdles do you see in order for you to have enough visibility to take a final investment decision on this project in the coming months or so? Thank you.

Giacomo Romeo: What other key hurdles do you see in order for you to have enough visibility to take a final investment decision on this project in the coming months or so? Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Yeah. I'll touch on the second one, and then Sinead can talk a bit about how we're proceeding with phase one. I think on the second one, firstly, appreciate the support that we are getting from the provincial government, appreciate the support we are getting from the federal government. We appreciate the support we're getting from the indigenous people as well in the area there, and we appreciate the support we're getting by and large from many of our neighbors in Canada.

Yep.

Speaker Change: I'll touch on the second one and then Sinead can talk a bit about how we're proceeding with

Speaker Change: we appreciate the support we're getting from the indigenous people as well in the area there and we appreciate the support we're getting by and large from many of our neighbors in Canada.

Wael Sawan: I think the concept of an LNG development and the criticality of the role that it plays, not just for the economy in Canada, but also in terms of what it does to support multiple different countries around the world as they go on their own energy journey, I think is now well appreciated. If there was one thing that we will need to keep an eye on, it is going to be what is the capital that is going to be required to invest, and is this investable? We know that the AECO advantage is one that is strategically interesting for us. We have offtake from on Henry Hub basis, so having more AECO linkage is good.

This, I think the...

Speaker Change: The concept of an LNG development and the criticality of the role that it plays.

Speaker Change: Not just for the economy in Canada, but also in terms of what it does to support multiple different countries around the world as they go on their own energy journey, I think is now well appreciated.

Speaker Change: If there was one thing that we will need to keep an eye on, it is going to be what is the capital that is going to be required to invest, and is this investable?

Speaker Change: We know that the eco advantage is is one that is strategically interesting for us We have offtake from on Henry hub basis. So having more eco

Wael Sawan: LNG Canada is one of the cleanest plants in the world in terms of from an emissions perspective, therefore, the carbon intensity will be advantaged versus anything out there in the market. Of course, you have the proximity to the Asian market being on the West Coast of Canada. There are so many attractive things, but it needs to make commercial sense, and we'll need to see whether the price of the EPC bid, I mean, is one that we can essentially bank on to be able to pass our expectations of returns against the risk profile we take.

Speaker Change: linkages good. LNG Canada is one of the cleanest plants in the world in terms of from an emissions perspective therefore the carbon intensity will be advantaged versus anything out there in the market and of course you have the proximity to the Asian market being on the west coast of Canada.

Speaker Change: There are so many attractive things, but it needs to make commercial sense, and we'll need to see whether the price of the EPC bid, I mean, is one that we can essentially bank on to be able to pass our expectations of returns against the risk profile we take.

Sinead Gorman: Thanks, Wael. Giacomo, you're asking around when would we start to develop our own resources rather than buy from the market. It's actually a little bit more complex than that, because when I look at Groundbirch specifically, what is very attractive about it is location and the subsurface. We have an advantaged acreage at the end of the day because what we have there is quite prolific volumes. Beyond that, we also have many of them already discovered, developed, and ready to go. We have rigs there. We're producing at low rates at the moment. More importantly, we also then have access to a plant where we can do the processing side of things and then access to transportation.

Speaker Change: You're asking around when would we start to develop our own resources rather than buy from the market. It's actually a little bit more complex than that, because when I look at Grime Birch specifically, what is very attractive about it is...

Speaker Change: location and the subsurface. So we have an advantaged acreage at the end of the day because what we have there is quite prolific volumes, but beyond that we also have many of them already discovered, developed and ready to go.

Speaker Change: So we have rigs there, we're producing at low rates at the moment, but more importantly, we also then have access to a plant where we can do the processing side of things and then access to transportation. So the proximity to be able to get it into the main pipeline and be able to bring it over, of course.

Sinead Gorman: The proximity to be able to get it into the main pipeline and be able to bring it over, of course, to LNG Canada is key. When we look at it's actually about the integrated economics on this. It's not just the local price. Because while I find AECO prices coming down and very attractive in many locations, it's about then access to the pipeline and the transport element of it, which in some cases just not there or the distance is too big to be able to do that. Beyond that, some of the processing, of course, of cleaning it up.

Speaker Change: Because whilst I find acre prices coming down and very attractive in many locations, it's about then access to the pipeline and the transport element of it, which in some cases is just not there or the distance is too big to be able to do that.

Speaker Change: and beyond that some of the processing, of course, of cleaning it up. So we continue to, as I say, produce at the moment at small levels and we have the ability to ramp up and we have, you know, an A team there who know exactly when to pull, when trading tells us to do so or not because of the difference and what they see in the differentials between the prices and the transportation.

Sinead Gorman: We continue to, as I say, produce at the moment at small levels, and we have the ability to ramp up, and we have, you know, an A team there who know exactly when to pull, when trading tells us to do so or not because of the difference and what they see in the differentials between the prices and the transportation. Hope that helped.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. Thanks, Giacomo. Let's go to the next question, please.

Speaker Change: Thank you, Sinead. Thanks, Giacomo. And let's go to the next question, please.

Operator: Our next question is from Irene Himona from Bernstein.

Our next question is from Irin Himuna from Bernstein

Speaker 15: Thank you. Good afternoon. My first question on mobility earnings. Your margin per barrel last year was the highest since the pandemic, I think. But of course, the strategy is to dispose of lower margin assets. In trying to think ahead about 25 mobility earnings, do you anticipate that disposal process can support further margin improvement? Then my second question, you said, Wael, there's a lot more to do. I was just looking at your slide 13, which plots the asset availability for upstream and LNG. And I must admit, I was a bit surprised by upstream. It's below 90%, below your LNG assets and definitely below one peer who reports the metric. Do you think there's an issue to be fixed there? If so, what is the issue? Thank you.

Irene Himona: Thank you. Good afternoon. My first question on mobility earnings. Your margin per barrel last year was the highest since the pandemic, I think. But of course, the strategy is to dispose of lower margin assets. In trying to think ahead about 25 mobility earnings, do you anticipate that disposal process can support further margin improvement? Then my second question, you said, Wael, there's a lot more to do. I was just looking at your slide 13, which plots the asset availability for upstream and LNG. And I must admit, I was a bit surprised by upstream. It's below 90%, below your LNG assets and definitely below one peer who reports the metric. Do you think there's an issue to be fixed there? If so, what is the issue? Thank you.

Irin Himuna: Thank you. Good afternoon. My first question on mobility earnings, your margin per barrel last year was the highest since the pandemic, I think. But, of course, the strategies to dispose of lower margin assets. So, in trying to think ahead about 25 mobility earnings, do you anticipate that disposal process can support further margin improvement?

And then my second question...

Speaker Change: I must admit I was a bit surprised by upstream. It's below 90 percent, below your LNG assets and definitely below one peer who reports the metric. Do you think there's an issue to be fixed there? And if so, what is the issue? Thank you.

Wael Sawan: Irene, thank you for those two questions. I'll take the second one, and if you wanna touch-

Wael Sawan: Irene, thank you for those two questions. I'll take the second one, and if you wanna touch on the first one, Sinead. Look, I think, I'll firstly start by saying, we have really been driving what we call the brilliant basics. Just getting back to fundamentals all across our Upstream and Integrated Gas businesses. You're seeing the benefits of that. I mean, Prelude's performance last year was very strong. The Gulf of Mexico was very strong. You see it in our non-operated ventures as well. Typically, and it's important to sort of differentiate some of our peers report reliability, and that sort of ends up being in the 95%+, which is roughly where we end up seeing it. We report very much availability.

Sinead Gorman: Irena, thank you for those two questions. I'll take the second one and if you want to touch on the first one, Sinead. Look, I think I'll firstly start by saying we have really, really been driving what we call the brilliant basics. So just getting back to fundamentals all across our upstream and integrated gas businesses. And you're seeing

Speaker 15: Mm-hmm

Wael Sawan: on the first one, Sinead. Look, I think, I'll firstly start by saying, we have really been driving what we call the brilliant basics. Just getting back to fundamentals all across our Upstream and Integrated Gas businesses. You're seeing the benefits of that. I mean, Prelude's performance last year was very strong. The Gulf of Mexico was very strong. You see it in our non-operated ventures as well. Typically, and it's important to sort of differentiate some of our peers report reliability, and that sort of ends up being in the 95%+, which is roughly where we end up seeing it. We report very much availability.

Sinead Gorman: the benefits of that. I mean Prelude's performance last year was very strong, the Gulf of Mexico was very strong, you see it in our non-operated ventures as well.

Sinead Gorman: Typically, and it's important to sort of differentiate, some of our peers report reliability and that sort of ends up being in the 95 plus percent, which is roughly where we end up seeing it. We report very much availability.

Wael Sawan: The reason is because when you get into areas like, for example, turnarounds, that's just time where you can be very reliable when you're up and running. When you're in the middle of a turnaround, that's the asset is down. One of the key levers for us is how to manage the turnaround cycles in the optimal way. Having said all that, there is more to do, which is back to your earlier sort of comment around what I'd said earlier. There is more to do in terms of how we deploy, for example, technology. We now have centers of excellence that support our availability efforts globally, rather than each asset having its own, which doesn't allow you to optimize to the full potential.

Sinead Gorman: And the reason is because when you get into areas like, for example, turnarounds, that's just time where you can be very reliable when you're up and running, but when you're in the middle of a turnaround, that's the asset is down. So one of the key levers for us is how to manage the turnaround cycles in the optimal way.

Sinead Gorman: Having said all that, there is more to do, which is back to your earlier sort of comment around what I said earlier. There is more to do in terms of how we deploy, for example, technology.

Sinead Gorman: We now have centers of excellence that support our availability efforts globally, rather than each asset having its own, which doesn't allow you to optimize to the full potential. We have a lot more data understanding now of where our weaknesses and vulnerabilities are, and we're investing in them.

Wael Sawan: We have a lot more data understanding now of where our weaknesses and vulnerabilities are, and we're investing in them. There is a lot of work that we know we can and should do, and that's where when I talk about more to do, I mean it across the board. To me, that's a fantastic opportunity, rather than a concern, because what I have seen is when we put our mind to it, as we have done over the last two years, we will improve.

Sinead Gorman: So there is a lot of work that we know we can and should do, and that's where, when I talk about more to do, I mean it across the board. And to me that's a fantastic opportunity rather than a concern, because what I have seen is when we put our mind to it, as we have done over the last two years, we will improve.

Sinead Gorman: Thanks, Irene. As you say, around marketing. Well, first and foremost, $3.9 billion of earnings just off the CMD target. Of course, that was due at the end of 2025. Of course, we'd set it from the perspective of a $65 real term. Of course, you know, the price is certainly way more detrimental to them than that. Just immense pride in the team and well done to Huibert and the team. What a way to go on it. It's just fantastic on that. Going to mobility, as you say, 70% higher year-on-year, despite detrimental to price, which is what you're talking about, the margin per barrel that's coming through there. What do we expect? We're seeing that high grading coming through with the divestitures. You've already seen some of the divestments.

Sinead Gorman: As you say, around marketing, well, first and foremost, 3.9 billion of earnings just off the CMD target. Of course, that was due at the end of 2025, and of course we'd set it from the perspective of a $65 real term, and of course you know the prices.

Sinead Gorman: Certainly way more detrimental to them than that. So just immense pride in the team and well done to Hybrid, and the team... what a way to go on it. It's just fantastic on that.

Sinead Gorman: So, going to mobility, as you say, so 70% higher year-on-year despite detrimental prices, which is what you're talking about, the margin per barrel that's coming through there.

Sinead Gorman: So what do we expect? We're seeing that high grading coming through without a doubt.

Sinead Gorman: You saw Pakistan coming through. It's not just by portfolio management. We've got a couple more in the works as well. We've talked about Indonesia before, and of course, there will be a few others as well. It's also about expanding our high margin retail. You know, at the start of the year, we actually bought Brewer Oil's 45 sites. It's about making the most out of the things that we buy, using our capital very specifically to drive that high margin. Of course, for us, it's the differentiated fuels that we get. That's where we see the big difference. That differentiated fuel brings us footfall into the sites, of course, which means that we get our convenience margins up as well. We're focusing really on the strict cost discipline.

Sinead Gorman: So you've already seen some of the divestment. You saw Pakistan coming through. So it's not just about portfolio management. And we've got a couple more in the

Sinead Gorman: in the works as well, we've talked about Indonesia before and of course there will be a few others as well.

Sinead Gorman: You'll see a bit more coming through in terms of the portfolio high grading, and you'll see more in terms of cost efficiencies as well. I really look forward to seeing what this team can do in 2025. We're off to a great start.

Michaele de la Vigna, Goldman Sachs

Wael Sawan: Thanks, Sinead. Seymour, let's take the final question, please.

Operator: Our final question is from Michele Della Vigna from Goldman.

Speaker 16: Thank you very much. Again, congratulations on what has been a very strong year. I would like to focus on the renewable and energy solutions business, which has been loss-making for most of this year. You are making significant strategic changes there. I was just wondering, in order for the division to turn back into profit, what do you think is needed? Is this an issue of portfolio or better integration with trading, or is this also impacted by market conditions? Thank you.

Michele Della Vigna: Thank you very much. Again, congratulations on what has been a very strong year. I would like to focus on the renewable and energy solutions business, which has been loss-making for most of this year. You are making significant strategic changes there. I was just wondering, in order for the division to turn back into profit, what do you think is needed? Is this an issue of portfolio or better integration with trading, or is this also impacted by market conditions? Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you very much. And again, congratulations on what has been a very strong year. I would like to focus on the renewable and energy solutions business, which has been loss making for most of this year. You are making significant strategic changes there. But I was just wondering, in order for the division to turn back into a profit, what do you think is needed? Is this an issue of portfolio or better integration with trading? Or is this also impacted by

Wael Sawan: Thank you very much. You wanna take that?

Condition. Thank you.

Sinead Gorman: Yeah, sure. Thank you for that, Michele. Indeed. What you saw this quarter, of course, was loss-making, and that's more about returning to sort of more normal volatility. 'Cause there's two parts, remember, to the renewables portfolio, which I think I talked about with Lucas last quarter as well. We've got the underlying assets, the renewable assets that are being built out, and those are loss-making at the moment and will be for the foreseeable future. What we're doing there, of course, is trying to high grade our portfolio. You see us make changes. You saw some of that in terms of the impairment on some of the offshore wind, walking away from, you know, early on at some hydrogen projects, et cetera, which were very, very early stage. It's about real discipline there.

Speaker Change: Thank you for that, Michaela. Indeed, so what you saw this quarter, of course, was loss-making, and that's more about returning to more normal volatility, because there's two parts, remember, to the renewables portfolio, which I think I talked about with Lucas last quarter as well.

Speaker Change: So we've got the underlying assets, the renewable assets that are being built out, and those are loss-making at the moment, and will be for the foreseeable future. But what we're doing there, of course, is trying to high-grade our portfolio. So you see us make changes. You saw some of that in terms of the impairment on some of the offshore wind, walking away from, you know, early on at some hydrogen projects, etc., which were very, very early stage. There's a real discipline there.

Sinead Gorman: Of course, you then have the trading side of things where we are seeing less volatility because this is a blend of both gas and power coming together. Less volatility coming through that, and that really hit this quarter, along with the deferred tax number that sort of just crept in, which isn't quite as transparent in there, of course, which added to it. What we're doing is we're moving much more towards a trading-led strategy, and you see that focus on particularly those flexible assets. When we talk flexible assets, we talk about batteries and some of the combined cycle gas plants and things like that that come through. We're changing that portfolio mix.

Speaker Change: and of course you then have the trading side of things where we are seeing less volatility because this is a blend of both.

and the Sinead Gorman.

Speaker Change: number that sort of just crept in which isn't quite as transparent in there of course.

Speaker Change: which added to us. What we're doing is removing much more towards the trading led strategy and you see that focus on particularly those flexible assets and when we talk flexible assets, we talk about...

Speaker Change: batteries and some of the combined cycle gas plants and things like that that come through so we're changing that portfolio mix and you saw particularly with the acquisition of course that we did this quarter which also pushed up our Capex Which was around the Rhode Island plant that we've bought so we're looking forward to seeing that coming through But at the moment yes indeed it is loss making

Sinead Gorman: You saw it particularly with the acquisition, of course, that we did this quarter, which also pushed up our CapEx, which was around the Rhode Island plant that we bought. We're looking forward to seeing that coming through. At the moment, yes, indeed, it is loss-making.

Wael Sawan: Thank you, Sinead. Michele, thank you for the question. Let me thank you all for your questions and for joining the call. I'm proud that we delivered a strong performance in 2024. Today, we announced 4% dividend increase and another $3.5 billion of share buybacks, making this 13 quarters in a row in which we have announced buybacks of at least $3 billion. As we continue to build a track record of delivery and as we aim to be the investment case through the energy transition. We wanted to wish everyone a pleasant end of the week. Look forward to further engaging many of you at our Capital Markets Day in New York in March. Thank you, everyone.

Speaker Change: Thank you, Sinead. Michele, thank you for the question and let me thank you all for your questions and for joining the call. I'm proud that we delivered a strong performance in 2024 and today we announced a 4% dividend increase and another $3.5 billion of share buybacks, making this 13 quarters in a row in which we have announced buybacks of at least $3 billion.

Speaker Change: as we continue to build a track record of delivery and as we aim to be the investment case through the energy transition.

Speaker Change: We wanted to wish everyone a pleasant end of the week. Look forward to further engaging many of you at our Capital Markets Day in New York in March. Thank you, everyone.

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