Q4 2024 MGM Resorts International Earnings Call
Good afternoon, and welcome to the MGM Resorts International 4th Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call.
Speaker Change: Joining the call from the company today are Bill Hornbuckle, Chief Executive Officer and President, Corey Sanders, Chief Operating Officer,
Jonathan Halkyard, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer
Gary Fritz: Gary Fritz, President of MGM Interactive, Kenneth Feng, Executive Director and President of MGM China Holdings, Hubert Wang, COO and President of MGM China Holdings, and Howard Wang, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Speaker Change: All participants are in listen-only mode. After the company's remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Please note, this event is being recorded.
Speaker Change: Now, I would like to turn the call over to Howard Wang. Please go ahead.
Howard Wang: Thanks Gary. Welcome to the MGM Resorts International fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings call. This call is being broadcast live on the internet at investors.mgresorts.com and we have also furnished our press release on Form 8K to the SEC.
Howard Wang: On this call, we will be making forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. Actual results may differ materially from those contemplated in these statements.
Howard Wang: Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ from these forward-looking statements is contained in today's press release and in our periodic filings with the SEC. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or otherwise.
Howard Wang: During the call, we will also discuss non-GAAP financiers while talking about our performance. You can find the reconciliation of GAAP financial measures in our press release and investor presentation, which are available on our website.
Howard Wang: Finally, this presentation is being recorded. I will now turn it over to Bill Hornbuckle. Thank you, Howard, and welcome to the team. We're very excited to have you join us.
Howard Wang: including our best ever for consolidated net revenues as well as an all-time high record annual domestic slot win, hotel revenue, and F&B revenue.
Speaker Change: Our company is in a solid and enviable position today because of the culture of our employees that built around show and the culture of yes.
Speaker Change: Our commitment and dedication to guest centricity is reflected in our net promoter scores, which set an all-time record for Gold Plus customers in the fourth quarter and for the year. I can't say enough great things about our people here at MGM who drive these great results day in and day out other than simply thank you.
Speaker Change: MGM is an industry leader thanks to the strategic decisions we've executed on over the last few years.
Our strategic plan has given us a strong financial foundation.
Speaker Change: of Proficient Operations and unparalleled growth opportunities in both digital and brick-and-mortar.
and we're off to a great start in 2025.
Speaker Change: Obviously, the Super Bowl was just played Sunday, and from a casino perspective, was a strong event for us here in Las Vegas and at BetMGM.
As we look into the rest of this quarter.
Speaker Change: and the remainder of the year, we are seeking positive indicators, which revenues up, we are seeing, excuse me, positive indicators, with revenues up in our domestic operations in January.
Speaker Change: as well as ADRs on pace to continue to grow for most of the year. All of this great momentum is backed by a solid balance sheet characterized by low net debt and significant liquidity.
Speaker Change: Our globally recognized brands, prime locations, development opportunities, and growing digital platform enable us to reach more customers and more markets than any other company in our sector.
Speaker Change: with over 46 million MGIM reward members and a total addressable market exceeding $150 billion including both our physical resorts and online markets.
Speaker Change: I'm truly excited by the opportunities in front of us in 2025 and beyond, and here's why.
Speaker Change: Our leading position in Las Vegas will be a source of stability and growth in the near term.
Speaker Change: We are investing in our business and the customer experience. In 2024, we continued a broad improvement throughout Bellagio with the renovation of all of our suites, new food and beverage offerings, as well as a refresh of premium gaming spaces.
Speaker Change: Additionally, the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas was transitioned to MGM Rewards.
Speaker Change: And these regular capital investments into our resort operations drive continued guest visitation and increased spend.
Speaker Change: Las Vegas December slot handle and slot win were an all-time record level for any month in our history and contributed to the all-time quarterly record for slot handle and slot win in the fourth quarter.
Speaker Change: We are bringing to fruition our goal of being the industry leader in groups and meetings with over 2.2 million room nights on the books for 2025. Last year we completed a $100 million investment in Mandalay Bay Convention Center and we welcome both new and existing convention customers to the space.
Speaker Change: In December, we closed on the strongest convention book month of a record for our company. In fact, the bookings in December were 43% higher than our prior record month, a promising trend for our future.
Speaker Change: We concluded our first year with Marriott in 2024, which outperformed our original expectations, with over 660,000 room nights stayed in the year and higher track spend in the leisure package rooms we look to displace.
Speaker Change: Importantly, we see further runway to grow in 2025 since all of our properties will be live for a full year of bookings.
Speaker Change: During the fourth quarter, we also rebranded the Delano Tower at Mandalay Bay to the W Las Vegas, which has significant brand recognition and will now allow the resort to benefit from the Marriott Distribution System and Marriott Bonvoy Program.
Speaker Change: MGM's omni-channel advantage is now a much more meaningful opportunity with the extension improvement of the functionality and speed of the app and the launch of single app, single wallet in Nevada at MGM.
Speaker Change: During football season, FedMGM's significant presence throughout Las Vegas drove a 60% increase in Nevada-acquired first-time depositors versus the prior season.
Speaker Change: We also saw a doubling and continued play of actives in their home state post their sign-up in Nevada, a signal that single-app, single-wallet is driving customer stickiness.
Speaker Change: These omni-channel players are three times more valuable than the digital-only players.
Speaker Change: Our regional properties are truly best in class and we expect them to remain a very steady source of free cash flow going forward.
Speaker Change: In Macau, we achieved the best-ever full-year segment-adjusted EBITDAR in the history of MGM China. We continue to be a high-performing outlier in the market with exceptional execution by the team.
Speaker Change: Macau 2049, our first residency show at MGM Kotai, and the Poly Art Museum at MGM Macau, which over 10,000 people in one day during Chinese New Year's, are both important steps to drive non-gaming revenues and visitation to Macau.
Speaker Change: We grew market share in December to over 16% and we concluded the year at similar levels. We remain confident and believe we have proven that we have sustainable market share in the mid-teens driven by our strong product, innovation teams, and the focus on the premium mass market.
Speaker Change: At BetMGM, our business is stronger in virtually every aspect when compared to a year ago, and it drove over $2 billion in top-line growth in net revenue from operations, accelerating from 6% in the first half of the year to 19% in the second half of the year.
Speaker Change: As we look to 2025, BetMGM expects the momentum to continue with net revenues from operating rolling to a range of $2.4 to $2.5 billion and EBITDA inflecting positive, which represents an increase of approximately $250 million year over year.
Speaker Change: In iGaming, we expanded content and player engagement tools and posted approximately $1.5 billion in revenue with over $400 million in contribution.
Speaker Change: We maintain a podium position in iGaming market share at 22% of GGR, putting us firmly at number three, and three times the size of the fourth ranked operator.
Speaker Change: In online sports, our product experience has improved, driving progress and engagement in the activity KPIs and importantly, setting us up to be contribution positive in OSB for the first time in 2025.
Speaker Change: We expect to see continued benefit of our operating leverage as we grow revenue sustainably with a strong belief that BedMGM is on its way to achieving the 500 million annual EBITDA we've talked about in the future.
Speaker Change: In international digital, we are inducing a new reporting segment, MGM Digital, which is composed of our wholly owned consolidated online business.
This segment consists of three major components.
Speaker Change: First, the Core Leo Vegas business, which is an established online gaming and sports betting operation in Europe.
Speaker Change: When excluding new brands, this business was solemnly profitable in 2024. We've added features to this business such as content development with the acquisition of push and sports betting with the purchase of Tipico's US betting technology.
Speaker Change: Second, expansion of the core business through the launch of the Ben-MGM brand throughout Europe. And third, Brazil, which is a significant market opportunity we are going after through our venture with Grupo Global.
Speaker Change: We believe in the long-run investment of our owned and operated digital business, which collectively can achieve $1 billion in top line and healthy margins as a realistic medium-term target.
Speaker Change: In terms of progress and strategy, we are completing the progress of integrating Tipico's U.S. sports betting technology through Leo Vegas, and we anticipate going live with our own sports betting platform in our initial market as soon as next week, with more launches to follow in Q2.
Speaker Change: We have already deployed the LEO-powered portion of the stack combined with our brand against favorable market opportunities in terms of scale, including the UK and Brazil, and reinforced our market-leading position in Sweden through BetMGM SE.
Speaker Change: We're also beginning to realize operating leverage against our more mature digital operations at Leo Vegas and push Now that much of the cost burden from the infrastructure building of these businesses is tapering
Speaker Change: In our development pipeline, progress in Osaka is advancing as planned. Ground preparation is targeted for the completion of this year, with main construction set to commence shortly thereafter. The official groundbreaking ceremony is scheduled for April 24th.
Speaker Change: and additionally the opening of the Yuma-Chema subway in January marks a significant infrastructure milestone enhancing transportation options for future guests to our resort. In New York, we plan to submit our RFA by the middle of the year and we are actively engaged with the City of Yonkers on zoning.
Speaker Change: With a strong year in 2024 and good momentum to start 2025, MGM is proving that targeted capital spending for refresh and growth is critical to maintain our industry-leading position and our long-term expansion.
Speaker Change: We also recognize that to realize the full potential of MGM's earnings power across the channels we operate in, providing additional transparency to our investor community is important. So we are doing exactly that. I'll now pass this over to Jonathan to provide some additional details.
Jonathan: Thanks very much, Bill. Before digging into the numbers, I'd like to take a moment to highlight a few important new disclosures that we are introducing this quarter.
Jonathan: The first is Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA, a common metric which we think will provide a more familiar measure to compare our performance across others and other industries.
Jonathan: The second relates to our digital businesses. We're now breaking out an MGM digital segment, which Bill touched on earlier, and we've expanded our disclosure of KPIs for BetMGM.
With that, I'll move on to our fourth quarter results.
Jonathan: In Las Vegas, in the face of comping to a very strong quarter last year, revenues were down 6% and adjusted EBITDAR was down 11%.
Jonathan: Excluding the variances related to F1 and HOLD, the underlying trends remain solid, evidenced by several data points, including an all-time quarterly record domestic slot win in the fourth quarter.
Jonathan: We concluded the quarter and the year on a strong note with December occupancy and ADRs up single digits over 2023 and an all-time record for monthly domestic slot handle and slot win.
Jonathan: This momentum gives us optimism that MGM's Las Vegas operations can grow in 2025, with the exception of the challenging comparisons this month of February, of course.
Jonathan: MGM Grand Detroit drove a healthy portion of the year-over-year increase due to strong execution and the recovery from impacts of a labor strike in the previous year. But simply put, our strategy of operating best-in-class assets in high-value geographies
is leading to outperformance across our regional portfolio.
Jonathan: We achieved the KPI performances we worked towards, growth in rated days, table drop, and slot revenues, while labor costs as a percentage of revenue were managed lower.
Jonathan: In Macau, MGM China grew quarterly net revenues 4% year over year, and total dividends from MGM China to MGM Resorts were approximately $200 million in the year.
Jonathan: And last but certainly not least, our new reportable segment, MGM Digital. Now this represents MGM's consolidated digital businesses. It does not include BetMGM, which remains an unconsolidated affiliate due to its 50-50 venture structure.
Jonathan: Net revenues at MGM Digital grew 15% in the fourth quarter.
Jonathan: While losses are narrowing in the UK from decreased marketing spend, increased spending related to the launch in Brazil will result in MGM Digital 2025 EBITDA losses to stay relatively consistent with those we had in 2024.
Jonathan: On our last conference call, we discussed identifying approximately $200 million in operational EBITDA opportunities. We expect to capture approximately $150 million of these in calendar 2025.
Jonathan: Roughly 35% of this is revenue actions and 65% is expense.
Jonathan: And these initiatives will be deployed in a way that improves efficiency, leverages technology, and is more responsive to changes in consumer behavior.
Jonathan: Before turning it back to Bill, it's really important to put our earnings power into perspective. In 2024, we generated approximately $2.4 billion of consolidated adjusted EBITDA, and that includes $461 million of non-cash rent expense.
Jonathan: When you add back that non-cash rent, it represents a more accurate view of our cash earnings power.
Jonathan: We spent approximately $1.15 billion in CapEx during the year, both here in the U.S. and in China.
Jonathan: After deducting our CapEx, this is the fundamental earnings generation that we deploy to high-return investments in the portfolio, unique development opportunities, and returns of capital to shareholders.
Jonathan: And speaking of returns, we've purchased over 40% of our float since the beginning of 2021.
Jonathan: including 3.4 million shares in the fourth quarter last year and another 8.4 million shares thus far in 2025.
Jonathan: Accelerating cash flow per share growth with this reduced share count.
Jonathan: With the core brick-and-mortar operations delivering results, the growth potential of our digital businesses, and future contributions from our development projects, we can create significant value for our shareholders.
Jonathan: Bill over to you. Thanks, Jonathan. Before we turn this over to questions, I'd like to double down and take a moment on Jonathan's last comment on shared buybacks.
Jonathan: We continue to see long-term value in our share price and in the continued momentum of our business.
Jonathan: At this very moment, I see significant opportunity in the value of our shares, and if you consider the following simple assessment, you see the opportunity, hopefully, that I see.
Jonathan: The views of Las Vegas will continue to grow, as it has over the last 50 years, and no company is better positioned to take advantage of that growth than MGM, given our footprint and operational capabilities.
Jonathan: Add the stability and earnings of our regional properties. Then simply take the market value of our Mercal stock at face value. Ignore the quantum leap we have made in sustainable market share performance.
Jonathan: at the expectation that our digital businesses are at a tipping point with BetMGM's earning inflection positive in 2025 coupled with the growth potential of MGM Digital and ascribe a marginal value to that segment of the business.
Jonathan: You put it together and our business, our poor business, is trading at four times 2024 adjusted EBITDA, well under its historic multiples.
Jonathan: With this in mind, we will continue to be aggressive in our share buyback program as we think about near-term uses of our cash. With that, Operator, I'd like to open it up for some questions and answers.
We will now begin the question and answer session.
Speaker Change: To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad.
Jonathan: If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.
To withdraw your question, please press star then 2.
Jonathan: As a reminder, in all fairness, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.
Speaker Change: The first question today is from Sean Kelly with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Thank you.
Sean Kelly: Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Bill, Jonathan, you know, maybe since we've got the incremental disclosures, we can just start off with the MGM digital business quickly. Can you just give us a little bit more color on the scale of MGM's digital investment you see in that business specifically and maybe the outlook for near-term returns there?
Gary Fritz: The reason Gary's here is because he manages his business every day, and so I'm going to turn it over to him.
Thanks, Sean.
Speaker Change: Yeah, look, we've been hard at work at MGM Digital the past couple of years. We've been assembling a distribution network and a product platform that we believe gives us a great opportunity to compete digitally. We've principally completed our capital deployment program, as I think Bill has mentioned in the past.
We've spent about a billion dollars against the Leo business.
Speaker Change: building out the proprietary content development capabilities of PUSH and, more recently, the acquisition of the Sportsbook platform via Tipico's U.S. assets.
Speaker Change: And we're happy where we've ended up with all of that. We're hard at work integrating all of those assets together to create a platform and a set of player experiences that allow us to compete really anywhere in the world. We think market conditions are favorable.
Speaker Change: We should have that integration complete by the end of the first half of this year. In fact, we're going live next week with our first market on the fully integrated stack, and we're excited about the innovation that that unlocks and our increasing ability to compete.
Speaker Change: Our core business at MGM Digital between Leo and Push, that's a half a billion dollar plus revenue business.
Speaker Change: And if we were to operate those businesses, you know, with a stand-alone mentality, they'd be highly profitable, high double-digit margin businesses that would be very, very happy with their operational performance.
Speaker Change: But we've decided strategically that we want to augment those core businesses with targeted bets to drive long-term value creation.
Speaker Change: Our early trading results in 2025 suggest that those investments are going well, growth is strong, and we believe the operating losses associated with the market entries are going to narrow throughout 2025.
Speaker Change: settings up with a really strong exit rate and a meaningful opportunity for operational inflection going into 26.
Speaker Change: You then have Brazil. It's early days in Brazil. We're very very happy with our partnership with Globo We soft launched there in in January when the market
Speaker Change: liberalized, and we're scheduled for our full media hard launch next week.
Speaker Change: We've built a local management team on the ground in Brazil. It's a $7 billion TAM, we believe, in Brazil, and we're excited to compete there on a level playing field.
Speaker Change: And then the final piece that we've decided to make a long-term bet against...
is what we call our MGM Live Operations.
Speaker Change: So, our live dealer content operation from the floors of our Vegas casinos. We're live already with our dual play business, which continues to grow day over day. And we'll have expanded studio capacity coming up in the first half of this year.
Speaker Change: So, when you put all of that together, you know, we feel confident we're largely done deploying capital against the owned and operated digital business, and we are definitely set up for, you know, the potential for that business to be a billion-plus in revenue with healthy double-digit margins going forward.
Speaker Change: Perfect, thank you. And then Jonathan, probably just one quick follow-up for you if I could, but last quarter there was called out a little bit of BI proceeds in either the, you know, both the Las Vegas segment and the regional segment. We had a few inbounds on whether or not there was anything in this quarter to call out. I didn't hear anything in the prepared remarks there. Thanks.
and
Yeah, we um
We did not have any meaningful B.I. proceeds during the
Speaker Change: during the fourth quarter. You know, it was an important quarter, though, on this front. We resolved the civil litigation during the fourth quarter. We still expect to receive additional business interruption proceeds.
Speaker Change: during 2025 to the, you know, to the tune of the numbers that we've talked about previously. So, we expect those this year.
Thank you very much.
Carlo Santorelli: The next question is from Carlo Santorelli with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hey Bill, Jonathan, everyone. Guys, you guys obviously put some initiatives in and I think you talked about it a little bit when you talked about some of the 65-35 split, but I wanted to focus on Las Vegas and the revenue side.
Speaker Change: As you sit here today, kind of, or on Jan 1, what do you see in kind of a flat demand environment, just in terms of some of the pricing measures that you've put in, in terms of the magnitude of the head start you kind of have on the year from some of the...
Speaker Change: the various new kind of programs that you've put in for 2025 from a revenue perspective.
Yeah, I'm, you know, Carlos, first of all, you know,
Speaker Change: January of 2025 was anything but flat. It was a very strong month for us and we can go into a little bit more detail on that if you like, but to answer your question directly, it's in the tens of millions of dollars.
Speaker Change: of revenue initiatives that we have put in place. Most of them actually were done during the month of December so that we hit the year, you know, with that head start, but that gives you a sense of the magnitude of those.
Thank you. Thank you.
Kind of offset that as we move through the year
Yeah, we're certainly...
Speaker Change: going to do our best to do that. The impact of the Super Bowl, we estimated back in back in the fourth quarter, or when we were last together on this call, I guess in November, turned out to be about our, what we estimated, about 65 million dollars year-on-year. And so, you know, through the programs we described, through organic growth,
Speaker Change: It is our goal to be able to overcome that. I'd also remind you that we do have some obstacles in terms of the impact of our renovation at the MGM Grand.
Speaker Change: This is a really important capital project for us. We've actually already gotten 600 rooms back online with great response from our customers. So that project is moving well, but it will impact us over the course of the year.
Speaker Change: to the tune of about the same amount as the Super Bowl did year over year. And Carl, maybe one last color point, you know, the Super Bowl, interestingly for us, on the casino,
Speaker Change: was better than it was last year. Some of that was simple luck, but the bottom line is we ended up in a better place.
Speaker Change: So, the degradation is hotel and sponsorships of note. Same with Chinese New Year. We had a good Chinese New Year when it was all said and done.
Speaker Change: Well, I'm sure there's some momentum at the bottom end of the market that people are concerned with and want to watch out for. If you look at our year-end projections, we think we can exceed what we've done this year. So that implies exactly your question, that we're going to surpass this.
Speaker Change: Super Bowl and more. And so we're, you know, I think we're off to a great start and that January as an indicator was a really good month.
Great. Thank you both.
Speaker Change: The next question is from Brant Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Brant Montour: Good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. I would love for you to go into January, Jonathan, in terms of non-gaming versus gaming.
and definitely, you know, want to hear about.
Brant Montour: Your thoughts on room rates. I know that you sound very positive, but the December-January room rate effect versus October and November XF1, if you saw any sort of improvement there sequentially.
Brant Montour: Yeah, I guess I walked right into that one, Brant, so I appreciate the question.
Yeah, no, January, we set some January records for occupancy.
Brant Montour: at 94%, ADR was a record slot handle, restaurant revenue. So these were all very strong indicators for us in terms of just aggregate demand.
so so
Brant Montour: One of the reasons we felt good about the start of the year, Bill and his prepared remarks talked about the booking we had on the group side in December. Now, those are rooms that are booked not only for 25, but
in years beyond 25.
Brant Montour: But it gives a sense of just the level of demand from that important segment for our rooms, and that's, of course, reflected in rates.
Brant Montour: So as we, you know, again, except for February, which we've discussed year over year, we're seeing
Let's call it mid-single-digit growth in ADRs.
Brant Montour: in the other months, at least in the nearer term view. And what I would add is even in October and November, October was really limited to the first week of the year, and those were Jewish holidays, and you don't get a lot of convention business in there. The rest of October was pretty solid.
Brant Montour: throughout the F1 week. The rest of November was pretty solid. December's been great. As Jonathan said, January will continue, was a great month, and then February, outside of the Super Bowl weekend, it's going to be a great month for us from an ADR perspective.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. That's really helpful, guys. And I guess the follow-up question is kind of more of the why. Obviously, the convention, you have momentum with Marriott and their group engine, but when you look across regionals and Vegas and all the different data you see, is there a sense that the consumer just feels better post-election? Do you feel like there's
Speaker Change: I don't know that I'd go that far, but I would say this, the Marriott example you brought up is a good one.
Speaker Change: And you know, we didn't have them in play last January, but we all did a year-end, or a beginning-of-the-year launch. And we've now, for the fourth week in a row, booked over 20,000 room nights with Marriott. And so, I think we're at about 85,000 room nights for the last four weeks.
Speaker Change: which if that continues and we have a pace and a goal of about 900,000 this year, that changes the dynamic. It just does. That's just a lot of room nights which help a great deal underline the foundation of what we do and how we do it and how we leverage the rest of our yielding. So that's been positive. You heard me mention the convention numbers earlier.
Speaker Change: Now the interesting thing about that is tech businesses come back, obviously some of it's in 25, much of it's in 26 and 27, so
Speaker Change: There's been no sign from corporate America to us that they're quote-unquote concerned. To the contrary, particularly when you think about what happened in December, we put a push on it and the result was just staggering in terms of the number of room nights that we booked.
Speaker Change: I would add, our core casino business is very solid and the amount of room nights we have on the casino segment in Las Vegas is also helping us.
Speaker Change: yield the rooms up. So we're pretty favorable on what we see looking forward in that segment also.
Speaker Change: MGM Rewards database has never been larger. Obviously, that MGM is added to that, et cetera, et cetera. And so it's just all inflecting. And in Las Vegas, down a couple of hotels, not forgetting that.
Excellent. Thanks, everyone. Nice quarter.
Speaker Change: The next question is from David Kaz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to go back to digital, if I may. And I'm just curious, the degree to which MGM Digital is engaged at all, aligned, or in any way with that MGM in the U.S. and, you know, how that is affected.
Speaker Change: David, let me kick that off and I'll turn it over to Gary to clean up any sloppiness I may create here. But, you know, we have specifically with content development and with push.
Speaker Change: We have created games that they are using. I think Gary can speak to the success of some of those MGM-branded games.
Speaker Change: We will ultimately, over time, look at some of the live dealer things we've talked about.
We think it's meaningful coming from the home of.
Speaker Change: And it's real. And when you see the thing that we all built at MGM Grand itself...
Speaker Change: on the Casino floor, it's compelling. And so, Gary, I don't know if you want to clean that up, but... No, I think that's right. I mean, I think, like, content creation, content development is probably the area where the MGM resorts, digital...
capabilities helps BetMGM the best.
Speaker Change: distribution points and cooperating with with BenMGM. We try to, we certainly try not to do things that are silly, and we try to, you know, make sure we can support each other where we can, but those are two very distinctly operated businesses given the nature of the Joint Venture Agreement.
Speaker Change: Got it. And just following up on your commentary, with respect to sports betting, is there any sort of back-and-forth or information share, content share, anything like that?
We operate those businesses largely independently.
Okay, perfect. Thank you.
Speaker Change: The next question is from Barry Jonas with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Barry Jonas: Hey guys, really appreciate the commentary on the NGEM Grand Hotel renovations and the impact you expect. Maybe talk about how we should think about the ADR uplift once these rooms come back online and any overall ROI expectations we should think about for the model. Thanks.
Speaker Change: I had an opportunity, by the way, to walk them for the first time yesterday or the day before.
Speaker Change: They came out spectacular. I think they are actually a complete change and uplift to the property.
Speaker Change: To quantify the uplift, we'll raise our minimum rates there, but I don't think we've put a pencil to that paper quite yet.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: States increasing sports betting taxes. Governor Maryland is also talking about maybe increasing table games taxes. So we kind of just wanted to get your thoughts. How concerned are you about more states looking to raise digital or land-based taxes? And too, are there ways for you to sort of offset this? Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I haven't obviously this is something we've dealt with for a very long time
Speaker Change: The fact that we're now in 42 states, give or take, particularly with digital opportunities, makes it more complex.
Speaker Change: I think for now in Maryland, I think we've cured that moving forward. I feel very comfortable about that, because when we sat with the governor of the office and went through the gives and takes and what that meant in terms of employment and jobs and some of the other commitments we've met.
Speaker Change: the commitments we gave to the community, there was a pretty quick and good understanding of that. And so I think we back that down and it's a competitive landscape. You know, Virginia now has not only casinos to the South, but they're talking about one to the North.
Speaker Change: As it relates to digital, I think it's going to be an ongoing game, if you will. I think there are markets that get it. There are markets that want to see true growth and keep it onshore versus offshore out of black holes.
Speaker Change: and there's a couple states I think we'll continue to battle. You know, it'll be interesting to see what states come up next for iGaming and how they think about tax.
Speaker Change: I do believe it's manageable. I think we the industry, by the way, not just MGM, have done a good job so far communicating what's at stake and why.
Speaker Change: And so, never say never, but of all the things that keep me up at night, it's not one of them. I don't know if it keeps you up, I hope, Gary. It certainly keeps me up. Yeah.
I appreciate it. Nice quarter. Thank you.
Speaker Change: The next question is from John Ducree with CBRE. Please go ahead.
Hi everyone, thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker Change: Maybe I wanted to ask about, you've commented a little bit on how strong the slot business has been in Las Vegas, particularly in December. And I'm curious if you could maybe dive into that a little bit and give us a sense if you have an idea of what's driving that. Is it kind of how you're filling rooms? And just kind of look and see.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think it does have to do with, of course, the casino mix that we have in the business.
Speaker Change: in the fall and into December. I think, you know, it also comes down to product. We do have a...
Speaker Change: I think a very proficient slot center of excellence that does an outstanding job.
Speaker Change: managing our product portfolio and also and doing so I think it at very reasonable CapEx levels.
Speaker Change: But in the end, I think it's just the work that we've done to manage the mix of the hotel. We've also made some important capital investments this year in high-limit slot areas.
Speaker Change: ARIA, MGM Grand, the Bellagio is underway, and in the regions we've done it in National Harbor, as well as some work at the Borgata and others. So it's all of those things coming together to really build a robust slot business.
Speaker Change: And we've also seen a lift from our regionals coming into Vegas also, so that's helped also.
Speaker Change: Thanks Jonathan and Corey. Maybe one more, I know it's a bit of ways ahead to think about F1 this year, but the first year was gangbusters and then we've talked about last year's 2024 F1 quite a bit, but curious on your thoughts if
Speaker Change: There's things that you might do differently this year for 2025 and ways to kind of keep improving and calibrating the approach to F1 from NGM's perspective.
Yeah, I'll take that. This is Bill.
Speaker Change: Look, at 40,000 feet, you know, first year was a phenom. It was the first time, et cetera. Our average rates, which really drove our results, were like 800 and change throughout the company. Interestingly, this year, though, there were 400 and change. And that is literally 2x the normal. If you all recall, this is the second worst weekend of the year.
Speaker Change: So we're excited to continue to support it. We're excited to be behind it. We cut back on our ticket packaging this year. We focused on the Fountain Club. We got rewarded for that. But I think if you think about Formula One and going forward, the best news I've heard is they are re-contemplating and considering pricing.
Speaker Change: and what to charge. And I think that's meaningful because to the extent we can get a foundation going early, we can continue to build on that.
Speaker Change: And so I think that messaging has been delivered and heard, so we're excited by that.
Speaker Change: and obviously we and the rest of the city have a quote-unquote three-year deal with an extension opportunity. We don't think it's going anywhere, we don't want it to go anywhere, but come next year we're going to have to obviously sit down and discuss what it feels like going forward from there.
Great. Thanks, Bill. Appreciate it, everyone.
Speaker Change: The next question is from Steven Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Steven Grambling: Hey, thanks for taking the question. Maybe turning to Macau, just wondering if there's any color you could provide on Chinese New Year or how we started the year, just given all the noise from a tariff and otherwise, and there just seems to be kind of conflicting commentary out of the industry data so far.
Steven Grambling: I'll turn this over to Kenny here in a minute. I think we had a great Chinese New Year in terms of market share, particularly wind and visitation for our properties. But Kenny, why don't you give it some real color, Hubert?
Steven Grambling: Hi, this is Kenny from Macau. I think we had a pretty solid Chinese New Year, both properties recorded strong traffic.
Steven Grambling: about like an 18% higher than the 2024 Chinese New Year, like a feeling volume was also higher than last year's Chinese New Year, and we have a maintained our 18th market share.
Particularly, I want to point out, we have noticed
A very, very longer tale.
to Chinese New Year with a high percentage of players
arriving post-Chinese New Year holidays, verse 20-24.
Steven Grambling: Actually our business volume was almost, in the second week of Chinese New Year was as strong as the first week of Chinese New Year. I think that's a comment from me.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Great, thank you. Maybe one unrelated follow-up, if I can sneak one in, just on Vegas. I know, I think you had said that, you know, the aspiration is for EPIDATA to be positive, kind of post-COVID.
Speaker Change: Super Bowl comparison here, but I guess within that, is there any color you could provide on how to think about run rate, wages, and any other puts and takes on the expenses for Vegas in particular?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I mean, I'll kick it off and Corey can clean this up for sure, John. I think the biggest thing to think about is, remember, we're now going into the third year of our culinary agreement, and so June, while there's a step up, it's demonstratively less than it was. I think we went from 12, Corey, help me here, just under six.
Speaker Change: I think it's a little lower. Yeah, and we're now in the fours. So if we think about wage and inflation increase in that perspective, I think we're in really good shape. I think the team has gotten a really good handle on FTEs.
Speaker Change: We have been flat now for some time. And I think I'm encouraged by it because, as I stated earlier, we continue to keep our MPS and our service where we want and need it to be without adding additional staff. And so that piece of it, I think, is well under control. Yeah. And what I would add is some of the initiatives we're running through, we think, hopefully will also bring our labor costs down. So the goal would be is to neutralize as much of the increase as possible.
Speaker Change: I feel pretty positive that we'll be able to do that.
Great. Thank you so much.
Dan Pulitzer: The next question is from Dan Pulitzer with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Dan Pulitzer: Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. First, you took a lot of slot share in the quarter, but your rate of promotions was up a tad. Are there any changes in your strategy or promotional environment that you'd call out? Are you more aggressively going after that slot player?
Dan Pulitzer: No, no meaningful change in the promotional investment. I mean, we are always tweaking it and try to improve, but nothing.
No meaningful change either way.
Speaker Change: Got it. And then just to clarify, it does sound like you're certainly more constructive on the demand environment. You know, Jonathan, you call out ADR up mid-single digits, extra Super Bowl and record January. So just wanted to clarify. So the first quarter, I mean, even with the Super Bowl lapping, it sounds like you should grow and then the same thing for the second quarter through fourth quarter. I just want to make sure we're getting that straight.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: It's going to be pretty difficult in the first quarter with a $65 million, you know, year-over-year headwind. So, you know, the way we plan the business is...
We try to
Speaker Change: to save not for that, meaning Super Bowl, ADRs, OCC, and all we feel progressive and positive on. I want to make sure that you understand the rational reason for that is ostensibly, and for today, given what we've seen to date, Super Bowl.
Got it. That makes sense. Thank you.
Frank.
Speaker Change: The next question is from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead.
Robin Farley: Great, thanks. Just circling back on your comment that you were kind of targeting to make up for that $65 million in Super Bowl for the year, I don't know if
Robin Farley: We could take that as like soft guide that you think EBITDA will be flat year over year in Vegas. But just wondering, you mentioned the $150 million of the $200 million in opportunity kind of mix of revenue and expense. With that $150 million, is that part of what gets you to flat in Vegas for the year or would that be incremental? I don't know if that was sort of a company-wide number.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Robin Farley: Yeah, that is a company-wide number, and we certainly don't intend guidance one way or the other. We're just trying to put some of the pieces together so people can understand what our objectives are this year.
Robin Farley: And we have two things to overcome. The Super Bowl, we've talked about quite a lot. I mentioned the impact of the renovation of the MGM Grand, which is off to a fantastic start.
Robin Farley: But we do have, you know, we do have a number of things going for us. Of course, the solid execution so far this year, and then this program that we put in place early in November of last year to get ourselves in a position.
Robin Farley: to overcome some of those obstacles. So that's pretty much where it stands for the year.
Robin Farley: Okay, thank you. And as a follow-up, just on the share repurchase intentions, I feel like at times last year you've talked about, you know, not necessarily repurchasing shares at the same rate you had in kind of more recent years. How should we think about kind of what level of share repurchase you might be thinking about for 25? Thanks.
You know, we're really, you know,
Robin Farley: We think there's a tremendous value in these shares right now for some of the reasons Bill articulated at the end of his prepared remarks. The fact of the matter is, while we have some attractive investments in front of us,
Robin Farley: You know, our own shares, the investment we know the best.
Robin Farley: represent such a compelling value that we just think it's the most responsible thing to do to allocate capital toward that. So that's why we made those comments and at these levels we just think it's very attractive. So that's why we say we're going to continue to be aggressive.
Robin Farley: So it could be at a similar rate to last year's repurchase.
Robin Farley: I mean, we did $120 million in the fourth quarter and we've done almost 300 during the month of January. So, you know, you can see how we've picked up the pace on that driven by the, really, just the valuation of the shares.
Robin Farley: Robin, I think to double down here, we'll remain active and aggressive to the extent the share prices...
Robin Farley: in the realm that it's in. And then maybe, look, despite... I don't want anyone to walk away with a flat commentary, it's flat. Despite the issues that we have, we have projected growth, I'm not gonna say how much, in Las Vegas EBITDA in 2025.
Robin Farley: Obviously, it's a long way to go. We all understand the ups and downs of this business, but fundamentally, we love the summer season, which is always important to us in terms of lineup of entertainment. We've got everyone and their brother coming back, and so we're excited by that.
Robin Farley: We remain optimistic and positive, and so I just want to make sure that it's left in that vein.
Great, thank you very much. Thanks.
Speaker Change: The next question is from Chad Bennion with Macquarie. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: the core, obviously, you know, notwithstanding what's going on at MGM Grand, is it safe to say that, you know, you and the team still believe that, that the pricing opportunities and the growth will still probably
Speaker Change: You know put luxury exceeding core again kind of what we're seeing in the hotel industry. Is that kind of your view at this point based on Group casino bookings and just kind of where you see the consumer
Speaker Change: Yeah, absolutely. And for us, particularly given the nature of our business and the nature of who we attract and who we appeal to, I'll give you a little off-color stat here.
Speaker Change: If you think about the fourth quarter, and you think about premium customers, you know, you saw what we missed the fourth quarter by. There was less than 10 customers that equated to about $80 million of Baccarat win year-over-year difference.
Speaker Change: And so, that can go either way, go up and go down, but it's pretty consistent and given our scale and scope, we obviously enjoy a nice piece of that, an oversized piece of that. But yeah, we feel positive, particularly about the top end of the marketplace.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Thank you. And then on the digital business, as we look at some of these markets that you talked about that you're growing into, is there a market share
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think we try to calibrate our market share target to the relative maturity of the market and competitive intensity.
and you know whether or not we have
Speaker Change: you know, the strength of our value proposition in any given market. So, it would be hard to say that we have a uniform target.
Speaker Change: across everything. That being said, I don't think we think it's worth attacking or entering a market if our goal wasn't to get to at least 5% in any given market we entered.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Bill Hornbuckle for any closing remarks.
Bill Hornbuckle: Thank you and thanks everyone for joining us today. I know it's late particularly back on the East Coast. I'd love to wish everyone a happy belated New Year. This year marks the Year of the Snake which interestingly symbolizes strength, renewal, and growth.
Speaker Change: renewal of several storied franchises with fresh capital and rebranding initiatives, particularly here at Bellagio, what we're attempting and doing at MGM Grand, and the newly rebranded W at Mandalay.
and Groves.
Speaker Change: I think you've heard a lot about that today in terms of...
Speaker Change: the change that Bed-M-Gym is expecting to produce and ultimately what happens to the balance of our digital platforms and, of course, Japan.
Speaker Change: We think there's plenty of reasons to be optimistic for each of our business segments within MGM and with that we thank you all and wish you a good night.
Speaker Change: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.