Q4 2024 Element Fleet Management Corp Earnings Call
Speaker Change: Good morning, and welcome to Element Fleet Management's Sports Quarter and Full Year 2024 Financial and Operating Results Conference Call.
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Speaker Change: Element wishes to caution listeners that today's information contains forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: The assumptions on which they're based, and the material risks and uncertainties that could cause them to differ, are outlined in the company's year-end, and most recent, MD&A and AIF.
Speaker Change: Although management believes that the expectations agreed in these statements are reasonable...
Speaker Change: The expectations expressed in these statements are reasonable, actual results could differ materially.
Speaker Change: The company also reminds listeners that today's call references certain non-GAAP and supplemental financial measures.
Speaker Change: Management measures performance on a reported and adjusted basis and considers both to be useful in providing readers with a better understanding of how it assesses results.
Speaker Change: A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to IFRS measures can be found in the company's most recent MD&A.
Speaker Change: I would now like to turn the call over to Laura Dottori Aranaggio.
Chief Executive Officer, please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Good morning, and thanks for joining us today. Our Element team, guided by our purpose, is driving our global growth strategy which continues to deliver meaningful value to our clients and our shareholders.
Speaker Change: 2024 marked a pivotal year for our company, highlighted by strong commercial success, important investments in our future, and record financial results.
Speaker Change: On the commercial front, we added 150 new clients, nearly half of whom transitioned from self-managed solutions, and we achieved strong share of wallet gains with the addition of over 1,000 new enrollments in additional services.
Speaker Change: On the investment front, we increased our spend to position our company for sustained industry leadership and future success.
Speaker Change: We completed the centralization of our U.S. and Canada leasing operations in Dublin, including the establishment of a strategic sourcing presence in Asia.
Speaker Change: that will enable us to better serve our clients by accelerating our digitization and automation efforts with optimized mobility solutions and a distinct competitive advantage.
Speaker Change: We are laying the groundwork to enable exciting opportunities for growth in areas such as insurance, small to medium enterprise fleets, telematics, and EVs.
Speaker Change: And, we achieved double-digit year-over-year growth in each of net revenue, adjusted earnings per share, and adjusted free cash flow per share, with adjusted return on equity reaching 16%.
Speaker Change: Thanks to our strong performance in 2024, we redeemed our PREF shares.
Speaker Change: raised our annual common dividend, renewed and reactivated our normal course issuer bid, and we returned a total of $336 million to our shareholders.
Speaker Change: These achievements reflect the hard work and dedication of our team members alongside the strength and resilience of our business.
Speaker Change: While global trade issues will create volatility and economic impacts, we remain confident in our ability to deliver on our 2025 guidance. Our first priority is providing our clients with the right advice to help them navigate this situation successfully.
Speaker Change: The resilience of our business model, coupled with high investment grade assets, diversified portfolio and contracted recurring revenues, gives us confidence in our ability to deliver for our clients and our shareholders.
Speaker Change: Looking ahead, with the investments we've made in 2024, we expect to continue to grow organically and to considerably moderate our expense growth.
Speaker Change: Our investments, made in 2024, are already beginning to bear fruit. In January of 2025, we announced Element Risk Solutions, a fully integrated insurance and risk management offering for our clients in the U.S. and Canada.
Speaker Change: In Q2 of 2025, we will be in market with the initial release of our new digital driver app, an effort that has been led by our colleagues at Autofleet, who will continually release new functionality throughout the year.
Speaker Change: And by Q3 of 2025, we will launch a new EV charger management platform, which gives us the ability to manage, control, and generate insights from chargers
Speaker Change: deployed in home, depot, or workplace settings, as well as integrate public charging access into a single platform. And this, too, will be fully integrated with our digital driver app.
Speaker Change: And by Q4 of 2025, we will launch new digital vehicle ordering capabilities, including the introduction of a new offering for small to medium-sized fleets in Canada and the U.S.
Speaker Change: Prioritizing our clients' success with a digital-first approach by investing in better technology and automation while maintaining commercial momentum and operational excellence
Speaker Change: positions us well to continue to deliver strong results for 2025 and into the future.
Speaker Change: Now, before turning it over to Frank, I do want to thank him again for his leadership, his friendship, and his lasting impact on Element. Frank, we all wish you the very best in your well-deserved retirement. Over to you.
Frank: Good morning everyone and thank you for your kind words, Laura. It has been a privilege to work alongside you and the executive leadership team to guide Element over the past four years.
Frank: 2024 was another outstanding year and our team is prepared to continue this momentum in 2025.
Frank: We concluded 2024 on solid footing, delivering record results and exceeding the high end of our guidance for net revenue and each of adjusted operating income, EPS, and free cash flow per share.
Laura: As Laura mentioned, this strong performance allowed us to accelerate our strategic investments, which will drive innovation and position Element for continued success.
Laura: Despite the anticipated increase in operating expense growth, largely a result of accelerated investments this year, we expanded adjusted operating margins by 30 basis points to 55.6 percent, excluding the impact of auto fleet.
Laura: This result came in just above the high end of our 55 to 55.5% guidance range.
Laura: Q4 adjusted operating margin was 54.1% after excluding the impact of auto fleet.
Laura: This decline, as expected, reflects the impacts of accelerated strategic investments and typical seasonal factors affecting gain on sale.
Laura: This morning, my comments will focus on our 2024 financial results and key factors impacting the quarter, before turning it over to Heath, who will speak to our 2025 Outlook and Guidance.
Laura: We closed the Autofleet acquisition on October 1st, and are already realizing benefits, including accelerating our digital journey and actioning synergy opportunities.
Laura: For the year, our adjusted operating income reached $601 million, up 13% year-over-year. This resulted in adjusted EPS of $1.12.
which is a 14% increase from last year.
while free cash flow per share grew 11% to $1.38.
Laura: These increases were driven by double-digit revenue growth, underpinned by continued commercial success and the effective execution of our global growth strategy.
Laura: On a per share basis, the strong results were partly offset by the $15.5 million increase in average common shares outstanding, primarily resulting from the Q2 conversion of our convertible debentures.
Laura: Net revenue grew 13% year-over-year, reaching a record high of $1.1 billion in 2024.
Laura: This growth was driven primarily by a robust 18% year-over-year increase in services revenue.
Laura: which rose to $596 million. Additionally, net financing revenue grew by 9% over the same period.
Laura: The strong services revenue performance in 2024 was largely attributable to higher penetration and utilization rates of our services by both new and existing clients.
Laura: Net financing revenue grew 9% year-over-year to $450 million in 2024.
Laura: supported by a 14% increase in net earning assets resulting from improved origination activity across all geographies, offset in part by higher interest expense, which I will touch on shortly.
Laura: Our strong net earning asset growth in 2024 was underpinned by an increase in origination volumes, driven by client demand and new vehicle pricing inflation, but moderated by the impact of foreign currency fluctuations.
Laura: Impacting net financing revenue growth included one, flat year-over-year gains on sale as higher vehicle sales volume were offset by continued normalization in used vehicle pricing.
Laura: And three, increased interest expense from incremental debt linked to our preferred share redemptions and the auto fleet acquisition.
Laura: The last item represents non-net earning asset components of interest expense and total $10 million in incremental interest expense.
Laura: Excluding these factors and excluding gain on sale, net finance revenue growth would have reached 15% year over year.
We syndicated a record $3.5 billion in assets in 2024.
Laura: A 40% increase from 2023, highlighting the success of our capital lighter strategy and robust investor demand for our assets.
Laura: Syndication revenue decreased 3 million or 6% year-over-year, primarily due to the Canadian $474 million bulk syndication of a Canadian lease portfolio to Blackstone in December.
Laura: This transaction further diversifies our off-balance sheet funding sources, reduces leverage, and frees up capital for reinvestment and return to shareholders.
Laura: Although not part of our core syndication program, the results of this sale are reported in syndication revenue, impacting syndication yields due to set-up costs incurred in connection with the initial sale, the absence of bonus depreciation in Canada, and the unwinding of certain related hedges.
Laura: Despite this short-term impact, the ability to strategically access other off-balance sheet markets is expected to benefit Element in 2025 and beyond.
Laura: Syndication revenue and reduced net yield were also impacted by a reduction in bonus depreciation in the United States from 80% in 2023 to 60% in 2024, as well as a shift in syndication mix.
Laura: Importantly, investor demand remains strong with gross yield or the price at which our investors value our assets remaining stable when compared to 2023.
Laura: Looking ahead, higher syndication yields are anticipated in 2025 as a result of continued strong investor demand, an improved portfolio mix, and the potential increase in U.S. bonus depreciation legislation later in 2025.
Laura: This latter factor would provide revenue upside to our 2025 guidance.
Laura: Turning to expenses, our robust revenue performance in 2024 allowed us to accelerate strategic investments.
Laura: As expected, this led to a 13% year-over-year increase in expenses, well in excess of our normalized expense growth outlook.
Laura: The growth, both for 2024 as a whole and during Q4, is predominantly a function of higher performance-based compensation aligned with our top-line outperformance relative to our initial guidance.
Laura: The acceleration of our strategic investments, such as digitization and automation.
Laura: and the development of new products including insurance and small medium enterprise fleets and three million dollars in operating expenses associated with auto fleet which closed October 1.
Laura: These costs reflect our commitment to modernizing our platform and bringing value-added solutions to our clients to sustain our industry leadership and enhance future growth opportunities.
Laura: Further details on how we view the components of our expense growth in 2024 can be found in our supplementary document, including the operating expense waterfall on page 22.
Speaker Change: Lastly, I want to thank Laura and all Element team members for their support and their efforts over the past four years.
Speaker Change: Together we've been executing on an ambitious growth strategy and I am confident that will drive both client success and the continued growth of element in the future.
Speaker Change: As I move forward towards retirement at the end of March, I do so with the knowledge that every day I focus on serving all our constituents well by assisting in the provision of value added service to our clients, providing opportunities for our employees and communities, and delivering strong financial results for our investors.
Speaker Change: We've achieved many great things together, and I have full confidence in Heath and our entire employee base to take the company forward on this strong trajectory.
Heath: Thank you all for your trust and confidence. Over to Heath.
Heath: Thank you, Frank, for your outstanding leadership and contribution to element success over the past four years.
Speaker Change: Your mentorship during this time, including the six months of transition, has been invaluable.
Speaker Change: As Element embarks on an exciting new chapter within the rapidly evolving fleet industry, I'm excited by the clear opportunities for growth and innovation that lie ahead.
Speaker Change: We have established a strong foundation with our 1.5 million vehicles under management and the value proposition that we have proven out to our clients as this has underpinned our consistently robust top line growth over the past three years.
Speaker Change: and the decision to undertake thoughtful and strategic investments in 2024 will further differentiate Element in the intelligent mobility space with respect to both client experience and operational efficiency.
Speaker Change: Looking ahead to 2025 we anticipate continued growth in our client base and net revenue driven by the ongoing transition of self-managed fleets and robust demand for our advanced solutions which now includes auto fleet.
Speaker Change: With strong order volume over the past four months and an expanding commercial pipeline, we continue to expect growth in both originations and net earning assets over the coming year.
Speaker Change: Additionally, we anticipate that our expense growth will moderate considerably in 2025 as the benefits of the investments undertaken over the past year begin to deliver operational efficiencies and enhance our financial performance.
Speaker Change: Due to the resiliency of our business model to perform across economic cycles we are committed to generating positive adjusted operating leverage and expanding our operating margins going forward.
Speaker Change: In terms of our 2025 guidance, we expect to deliver the following.
Speaker Change: Net revenue of $1.16 billion to $1.185 billion Adjusted operating income between $645 million and $670 million Adjusted operating margin between 55.5% and 56.5%
Speaker Change: adjusted EPS in the range of $1.20 to $1.25 adjusted fleet free cash flow per share of $1.48 to $1.53 and originations ranging from $6.9 to $7.1 billion
Speaker Change: Our 2025 guidance reflects the same anticipated headwinds communicated last quarter, namely the depreciation of the Mexican Peso, higher local Peso funding costs.
Speaker Change: financing expenses tied to our 2024 preferred share redemption and the scheduled reduction in bonus depreciation to 40%.
Speaker Change: As previously disclosed our guidance assumes a Mexican peso to US dollar exchange rate of 20.5 to 1.
Speaker Change: We are also expecting an effective tax rate for 2025 between 24.5% and 26.5%.
Speaker Change: The above ranges are prior to any additional material foreign exchange fluctuations and any potential change in the trade agreements between the US, Mexico and Canada.
Speaker Change: On the latter point, while it is difficult to comment with precision on the impact of a trade dispute at this time, we do believe that there are components of our business, including capital cost inflation and our growing suite of service offerings, that would serve as an offset to the economic impact of any tariff implementation.
Speaker Change: Regarding capital expenditures, we anticipate that our spend will remain consistent in the $80 million range in 2025, primarily directed towards enhancements to our technology platform and client experience.
Speaker Change: Going forward Element will communicate our expectations for annual financial guidance as well as any planned increases in our common dividends alongside our fiscal fourth quarter results in February.
Speaker Change: Before we move to questions, I'd like to address a few notable items on our capital structure and balance sheet position.
Speaker Change: The redemption of all remaining series of preferred shares and convertible debentures in 2024 has substantially simplified our capital structure.
Speaker Change: In 2024, we returned $336 million to shareholders through common dividends, modest share buybacks and preferred share redemptions. We renewed our NCIB in November 2024 and intend to be more active in repurchasing shares during 2025.
Speaker Change: Last year, we purchased just under 631,000 shares for cancellation at a cost of $11 million.
Speaker Change: and through the first two months of 2025 we have already repurchased more than 1.1 million common shares for total consideration of $22 million, consistent with our previous statement to lean into NCIB this year.
Speaker Change: Optimizing our leverage and reducing our cost of capital remains a key priority for Element and we took an important step in this area during Q4.
Speaker Change: During the quarter, we revised our banking covenants from tangible leverage to debt-to-capital, which we consider to be a more meaningful measure of our balance sheet and financial position, as well as being significantly less sensitive to changes in intangibles and shareholders' equity.
Speaker Change: Our bank covenants are now set at 80% of the debt-to-capital, and we are targeting a range of 73% to 77% going forward. At the end of 2024, our debt-to-capital ratio was 74.1%, while our tangible leverage ratio was 7.65%.
Speaker Change: The increase in our tangible leverage ratio is largely attributable to the higher intangibles acquired with Autofleet as well as an FX movement, neither of which had a material impact on our credit profile. Excluding these two items, tangible leverage would have been 6.43.
Speaker Change: We continue to focus on maintaining a strong investment grade balance sheet and our strong credit rating.
Finally, given our clear operating momentum
Speaker Change: Strategic investments beginning to yield results and opportunities to expand beyond our core into adjacencies, including our recently launched insurance and risk management solution, as well as the service offering from Autofleet, we remain confident in our ability to deliver strong performance for each of our clients, shareholders, and team members.
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Speaker Change: Our first question today comes from John Aiken at Jefferies. Please go ahead.
John Aiken: Good morning. I was hoping that we could dive into a little bit in terms of your initiative in Ireland and Singapore. Can you give us a sense in terms of when we should expect to see a material impact on the operations from these things? Or is this something that's a little bit longer?
John Aiken: I'm thinking the Singapore one in particular, a little bit longer, longer retailed.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Good morning, John. Happy to do that. I'm looking at Heath so he can provide the numbers in U.S. dollars because I always think of them still in Canadian dollars.
But our initiatives have gone quite well.
so
Speaker Change: The setting up to have a sourcing presence in Asia, as we shared in the past, we had signed a collaboration agreement with BYD and we have a few others that we're actively in conversations with.
Speaker Change: The bigger part of what we were looking to deliver is setting up our leasing for the U.S. and Canada and Ireland, and that is well underway. So we got that done on time, on budget, and in fact I think just $2 million below what we were expecting to spend.
Speaker Change: So we are feeling very confident that we're going to be in a position to actually deliver on our run rate revenue and adjusted operating income that we were going to have in 2028.
and, Heath, if you have that number.
Heath: Yeah, absolutely. So we feel confident that we're on track to deliver our number for 2028. It'll obviously ramp up over time and there is a portion in the 2025 plan that we've got.
in terms of the targeted number for 2028?
Heath: We've got a targeted amount of $20 million in there as a benefit that we expect to generate and $30 to $45 million of net run rate revenue full year by 2028.
Speaker Change: Thanks guys and the initiatives that you're rolling out in 2025 including the new insurance side of the business, is this supposed to be impactful in 2025 or are we looking further after those as well?
Speaker Change: So on insurance, it won't be as impactful for 2025 as we announced in January. We're in test phase now, so we won't be doing quotes until we get through the test phase. So we expect that to happen by the end of March. So we're looking at...
Speaker Change: mid to high single digits of net revenue contribution for the 2025 year for insurance.
Speaker Change: But if we can play this out as expected over the years, and we'll have phased in approach,
Speaker Change: We would expect by 2029, again, if we get this all done right and it all plays out, we could see another $100 million in revenue for the company by 2029 if we hit all the various milestones we're expecting over the next few years. The most important one, however, will be now.
Speaker Change: in that as we look to launch at the end of March, we'll see what market receptivity is like. So this will be an important year for our insurance initiative.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Stephen Bourne with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Stephen Bourne: Morning Frank, I just want to thank you for all your help over the years and I wish you luck in the future.
to welcome you to the next adventure.
Speaker Change: The total syndication volume that we reported in Q4 includes the bulk sale.
Okay.
Speaker Change: I appreciate that and maybe you could just talk about this initiative with Blackstone
Speaker Change: And then, you know, how did you get off-balance treatment for that? You know, obviously we don't want to go in the weeds of securitization accounting, but maybe you could just talk about some of the high points that got you over the hump there in terms of getting an off-balance sheet.
Speaker Change: Yeah, absolutely. Morning, Steve. It's Heath here. I'll take that one. So, the Treasury team has done a great job here to further diversify out our off-balance sheet funding.
In terms of the
the characteristics of the portfolio sale that we did.
Speaker Change: It's very, very similar to syndication, so we get full off balance sheet treatment, that decreases our leverage.
Speaker Change: It obviously increases our cash flow, increases our return on equity and allows us to reinvest that money back into the business.
Speaker Change: It's also important to note that we retain the service revenue component on the leases as well.
Speaker Change: So, it's very similar in its characteristics to our standard syndication program, but it enables us to be a bit more operationally efficient and do bulk sales in one transaction.
In terms of Canada versus the U.S.,
There's
Speaker Change: Given that we have a robust syndication program in the U.S., just from a diversification standpoint, we look to Canada. But there's no reason why we can't do this type of things in the U.S. going forward.
Speaker Change: I guess the final note that I'd call out on this is
Speaker Change: There was some start-up costs that we incurred to get this program up and running, which we think will have great benefit going forward with a partner like Blackstone.
Speaker Change: We expect that the go-forward yield will increase because we won't have those start-up costs. Important to note though that Canadian leases generally have a lower yield than the U.S. because the U.S. has bonus depreciation.
Speaker Change: Okay, so maybe just a little bit of a follow-up there. So this is really just another syndication bulk sale facility, but it's not a securitization facility like a Chesapeake that you've carved out the retained interest
Speaker Change: to get the off balance sheet. I'm just trying to like where does the title is the title with the the actual purchasers of the, you know, the paper or is it still with
Speaker Change: the actual securitization facility. I'm just trying to understand because that was the initial thought was that it was going to be more a securitization facility that you were going to tweak some of the parts to qualify for the off-balance sheet.
Speaker Change: Yes, so this one is a syndication type facility, it's not a securitisation. What you're referring to is another program that we are looking to roll out.
Um, um...
Speaker Change: So that we have syndications, bulk syndication, and then looking to do an equity residual structure. But that is something that is in the pipeline. So this is just a very, very similar, think about it the same as a single name syndication. It's just a bulk sale of a number of different clients.
Okay, thanks. I'll recue. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Tom McKinnon with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Tom McKinnon: Yeah, thanks and good morning. And Frank, thanks for all your help here and all the best as you move on. Heath, you mentioned startup costs with respect to this bulk sale. Are you prepared to kind of quantify them?
Tom McKinnon: we've called out in the past and included in our 2025 guidance.
Okay.
Now, with respect to the originations...
Speaker Change: Coming in lower than your guide for 2024, I think you reaffirmed that guide in November. Did you not see some of the slower orders in the summer months impacting that? Why did you come in lower for 2024?
Speaker Change: Yes, so 2024 saw record originations of $6.7 billion, which is up 6% year-on-year.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Don't believe we reaffirmed the guidance for that last quarter, I'd need to check that. I guess in terms of what we saw happen is, number one, the appreciation of the USD in Q4 really just had a translation impact of the originations in our other locations. So that did give us a headwind in Q4 just from a translation impact.
Speaker Change: And then the other couple of key reasons is we did still have, unfortunately, a few makes and models on controlled allocation.
Speaker Change: and some of the OEM ordering in Windows were delayed in Q3, which pushed some originations out that we were originally hoping to get in 2024.
Speaker Change: But ultimately, it was still a strong number, albeit under guidance, and what I would say is we've seen our order volume be really, really strong for Q4, so our backlog of orders increased from $1.5 billion to $1.8 billion in Q4 on the back of strong orders, and therefore we expect that that order volume will translate into strong originations in the first half of the year, particularly Q2.
Speaker Change: And, Tom, I would just add, I believe on the last conference call, when we went through the guidance, I said that we would be at or above the high end of guidance on most metrics other than originations.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Graham Riding with TD Cowan.
Good morning. Got to get a question in on tariffs.
Speaker Change: on auto production and therefore your origination volumes. How are you thinking about that? And then secondly, are you seeing any hesitation or delays at this point from any clients in Canada or Mexico, just given the tariff uncertainty?
Good morning, Graham. It's Laura. So, I'll take that one.
Speaker Change: So I guess, like everyone, we know we're all going to be impacted by any increase in tariffs, so we can expect that to impact supply chains.
Speaker Change: You name it, it's going to create complexity, delays, so increased costs for everyone, particularly the auto industry will be tough. Last 60 years, I think the auto industry has the most integrated supply chain there is on the continent.
Speaker Change: So this will be a rough one for the auto industry
Speaker Change: So our, I'll start with our clients. That's our first priority. So it's really to get out there and to support them Give them the right advice help them navigate through what will be a challenging situation if it is to happen
Speaker Change: We believe we're really well positioned to do that with our strategic advisory services.
Speaker Change: and prospective clients decreased their total cost of lead operation by 10 to 20 percent. So, we think our offering is actually of greater interest now or should be more than ever for our client base.
Speaker Change: I would say from our clients as well to your question, on hesitation we are not seeing any real slowdown from the vast majority of our clients.
Speaker Change: There are a few that are being tentative, but that's very much on the, I'm going to say, on the minority side is.
Speaker Change: As Heath pointed out, we've got some really strong order volume that we've received from our clients.
Speaker Change: So that does look good. And I tell you that I think our clients really learned from the last supply chain shutdown that when you have non-predicted maintenance, that costs an awful lot of money.
Speaker Change: and so older vehicles have a lot more downtime and downtime will often cost our clients a lot more than increased cost to capital.
Speaker Change: So just some history, sort of, if we go back to pre-COVID, because again, this might have some similarities to a pandemic when the OEM plants had to shut down because they couldn't source parts.
Speaker Change: Pre-pandemic, the current age of vehicles on average, again depends a bit on mix, but was about 42 months.
Post-pandemic, that went up just under 60 months.
Speaker Change: Today, that sits when we look at our vehicles under management around 49 months, so not a lot of maneuvering room, I'd say, for our clients to continue to extend the life cycle of their vehicles, which is why we expect orders are going to continue. And again, as Heath said, we should see that.
represent in Originations.
Speaker Change: We don't have to look too far in the past, we've talked about COVID, but where we've seen that our business continues to perform well, even in prior periods of disruption, whether that relates to OEM production, vehicle aging, cost inflation.
Speaker Change: I can point it out again. I think we all know that, but two-thirds of our revenue does come from the U.S.
Speaker Change: We've contracted recurring revenues for mostly investment-grade clients. And then it was mentioned in our prepared remarks that any increase in the cost of vehicles does get passed on to our clients.
Speaker Change: higher revenue for us. So we do have somewhat of an offset. The biggest potential impact for Element would actually be from FX volatility on the revenues that we generate outside of the U.S. and Heath can speak to that if you'd like.
Speaker Change: So, as I said when I started, what's really important for us
Speaker Change: Again, it's focusing on our clients and helping them manage through this, but our order volume does remain strong.
Speaker Change: and we expect that that's going to drive strong origination and so you know we're feeling really good about the first half of 2025 and as we said in our prepared remarks we're still committing to our 2025 guidance.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. I appreciate the thorough answer there. And just to be clear, like it sounds like your demand for orders is strong, but in terms of the OEMs, are you hearing any concerns on their part that these tariffs could be disruptive for production, or is the expectation that it would just, the cost would get passed through and it could be somewhat demand destructive on the other end?
which way should we be thinking about the implication here?
Speaker Change: I don't want to talk for others, but the OEMs have been very vocal, particularly the CEO of Ford, in terms of how devastating this would be to the auto industry.
Speaker Change: I said earlier, for the past 60 years, the whole continent has been like a big supply chain, so a lot of things go from one country to another.
Speaker Change: So it will be very impactful. I think in 2024 it was almost a quarter of all U.S. vehicle sales were imported, or vehicles I should say, from Canada or Mexico.
Thanks very much. That's it for me.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Phil Hardy of Stoosier Bank. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning.
Phil Hardy: My question here is more geared towards Heath and Frank. I think with the capital stack cleaned up and some new funding arrangements have been a bit more capital light, what do you see as the best opportunity maybe in debt markets to further reduce the cost of capital from here and maybe just talk about any progress you've made on that front?
Speaker Change: Yeah, no problem. So we will always continue to evolve our...
Speaker Change: Our capital stack and our funding, the key focus in Q1 was obviously the portfolio sale and further diversifying our off-balance sheet treatment or off-balance sheet options in light with our capital-wide business model.
Speaker Change: Having said that, we are also looking at other optionality on our other funding sources.
Speaker Change: and we've set up a commercial paper program with a backstop by a revolving credit facility to further reduce and be more efficient in our funding there as well. So we'll continue to work on this. It's something that will evolve as the business grows.
Speaker Change: Okay, and maybe as a follow-up here, can you talk about maybe the changes in that capital stock and certainly the funding sources?
Speaker Change: Any implications on the mid-term capital priorities with respect to revisiting targeted dividend payout growth or share buyback? You talked about 2025. My question more is geared towards directionally, mid and longer term, what the implications are.
Speaker Change: Yes, so from a capital allocation perspective, our priorities remain the same, so we'll reinvest into the business for long-term growth, we'll manage our leverage.
Speaker Change: and we look to continue to grow our dividend in line with free cash flow and as we've said we will look to continue returning capital to shareholders via shared buybacks.
Speaker Change: And if we look at just the first two months of this year, relative to 2024, it's been a significant increase in the number of shares we've brought back just for Jan and Feb, and we expect that that will continue throughout the year.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then 1. Our next question today is a follow-up from Stephen Boland at Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Stephen Boland: Thanks, just a couple follow-up. Just in terms of the used car gain on sale, that number being down, obviously AMZ in Mexico, can you just maybe provide a little bit of a split, and were these EVs or internal combustion, you know, vehicles that were sold?
or split.
Stephen Boland: Yeah, I'll take that one Steve. So the decrease in the gain on sale for Q4 was expected and seasonal so what we see in Q4 of every year is with the holiday period in December we always sell less vehicles
Stephen Boland: post the pandemic, but we're on plan and the market is delivering price as we would expect.
Speaker Change: Is there any requirement that that gain on sale has to be in the net financing segment?
because it has created a little volatility quarter over quarter.
Could it be not put in Heather's webinar?
Speaker Change: No, it ends up in there, but we do disclose it in the footnotes specifically what the gain on sales, so it's easy to back out. I don't want to say easy, but the information is available, you can back it out, and I think that's why it's important when we talk about the growth in net earning assets.
you saw a 9% growth in
Speaker Change: and which was flat because it's not tied to the net earning assets.
Speaker Change: the impact of the preferred shares and the auto fleet debt that was put on and all that interest expense ends up under that NFR, you actually end up with 15% growth in NFR relative to a 14%.
Speaker Change: 14% net earning assets yield, so net earning assets. So you actually got some yield improvement over the year, which is driven by both what we're doing on the financing side, as well as what we're doing in regards to optimizing pricing. And going back to an earlier question, you know, some of the work that's been done as we've set up the Ireland leasing business and put more focus on that business to help drive that in the US and Canada, as well as improvements, I think, across.
Speaker Change: all of the geographies that they've really focused on how to get the appropriate returns on the capital that we put out there for leases.
Speaker Change: vehicles managed or services from Autofleet. I presume that's just EFN vehicles under management, not any of the third-party vehicle that they deal with outside of EFN. Is that correct?
Speaker Change: Yes, so the VUM number for this quarter includes the Auto Fleet VUM that we acquired, which is the Auto Fleet products and services that are linked to a vehicle and have a per vehicle per month charge.
Speaker Change: Clients or outside clients? That's what I'm trying to get at. Because I know they came in with a basket of products that they were selling to Rideshare and things like that. It doesn't include any of that. Is that correct?
Speaker Change: Yes, that's correct. So if you think about it this way, the 9,000 units that are Auto Fleet units are third-party units that are not currently served by
Out with it.
Speaker Change: Additionally, there are auto fleet products being sold to our existing client base.
Speaker Change: which provides probably the greatest opportunity to grow that revenue stream over time given our inherent 1.5 million vehicles under management. But we would also expect Auto Fleet to grow within other markets that we currently don't serve and provide synergies to cross-sell as we grow here. So it's another arrow in the quiver to help us drive that growth.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And our next question is from Tom McKinnon at BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Yeah, thanks.
Tom McKinnon: I like the movement here into away from tangible leverage to the debt to capital. You mentioned that you've done that with banking covenants.
Speaker Change: Can you talk about discussions you've had with rating agencies? What are they looking at? What's the measure that they think this is a more meaningful measure as well?
Speaker Change: Yes, it's a great question. So yes, we've migrated our banks and our banking covenants away from tangible leverage to debt-to-capital And obviously the banks and ourselves agree that it's a more meaningful measure of our balance sheet and financial position
Speaker Change: In terms of the rating agencies, S&P have always rated us based on debt-to-capital, so they're already there.
Speaker Change: And we will be having discussions with our other rating agencies and looking to migrate to debt-to-capital so that we're aligned across the board.
Okay, thanks.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Laura Dottori Adonazio for closing remarks.
Speaker Change: All right, thank you, Operator, and thank you all for joining us today.
Speaker Change: With our great team members, our strong commercial momentum, our resilient business model and the benefits from investments that we undertook in 2024, as we shared earlier, we are well positioned to continue creating value for our clients and shareholders in 2025 and beyond.
Speaker Change: Our focus is to continue executing with operational excellence and advancing intelligent mobility initiatives.
Speaker Change: So thanks again to our wonderful Element team members, thanks to you Frank, and thanks to everyone for all you do for our clients and for each other. Together we are driving progress and we're helping to shape the future. We look forward to speaking with you all at our next conference in May. Have a great day.
Speaker Change: Thank you. This brings to a close today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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