Q4 2024 Montrose Environmental Group Inc Earnings Call
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Adrianne Griffin: And now I'd like to turn the conference over to Adrianne. Vice President and Vestal Relations.
Speaker Change: Now, let's turn the conference over to Adrianne Griffin Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Please go ahead.
Adrianne Griffin: Thank you and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings call. Joining me on the call are Vijay Manthripragada, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Allan Dicks, our Chief Financial Officer. During our prepared remarks today, we will refer to our earnings presentation, which is available on the Investors section of our website. Our earnings release is also available on the website.
Speaker Change: Thank you and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings call. Joining me on the call are VJ mentored regatta, our president and Chief Executive Officer, and Allen decks, our Chief Financial Officer during our prepared remarks today, we will refer to our earnings.
Speaker Change: This presentation, which is available on the investors section of our website. Our earnings release is also available on the website.
Adrianne Griffin: Moving to slide two, I would like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward-looking statements subject to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially due to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that should be considered when evaluating our operating performance and financial outlook. We refer you to our recent SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2024, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect any forward-looking statements and our future performance.
Speaker Change: Moving to slide two I would like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward looking statements subject to the safe Harbor provisions of the provide private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Speaker Change: Actual results may differ materially due to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that should be considered when evaluating our operating performance and financial outlook.
We refer you to our recent SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2024, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect any forward looking statements and our future performance.
Adrianne Griffin: We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: We assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements.
Adrianne Griffin: On today's call, we will discuss or provide certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as consolidated adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income, and adjusted net income per share. We provide these non-GAAP results for informational purposes, and they should not be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Please see the appendix to the earnings presentation or the earnings release for a discussion of why we believe these non-GAAP measures are useful to investors. Certain limitations of using these measures and a reconciliation to their most directly comparable GAAP measure.
Speaker Change: On today's call, we will discuss or provide certain non-GAAP financial measures such as consolidated adjusted EBITDA adjusted net income and adjusted net income per share. We provide these non-GAAP results for informational purposes, and they should not be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Please.
Speaker Change: See the appendix to the earnings presentation or the earnings release for a discussion of why we believe these non-GAAP measures are useful to investors certain limitations of using these measures and a reconciliation to their most directly comparable GAAP measure with that I would now like to turn the call over to Vijay.
Vijay Manthripragada: With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Vijay. Thank you, Adrienne, and welcome to everyone joining us today. I will start with an update on our business, provide 2025 guidance and then speak generally about the fourth quarter and full year earnings presentation shared on our website. Allan will provide the financial highlights, and following our prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. Before I begin, I'd like to acknowledge the exceptional work of our approximately 3,500 colleagues around the world who delivered another year of record performance. Their dedication to leading environmental science and technology has furthered our mission of helping to protect the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the soil that feeds Montrose continues to demonstrate that we can promote environmental stewardship, promote human development, and create shareholder value.
Vijay: Thank you Adrianne and welcome to everyone. Joining us today I will start with an update on our business provide 2025 guidance and then speak generally about the fourth quarter and full year earnings presentation shared on our website.
Vijay: Alan will provide the financial highlights and following our prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session.
Vijay: Before I begin I'd.
Vijay: Like to acknowledge the exceptional work of our approximately 3500 colleagues around the world who delivered another year of record performance.
Vijay: Their dedication to leading environmental science and technology has furthered our mission of helping to protect the air we breathe the water we drink in the soil that fits us.
Vijay: <unk> continues to demonstrate that we can promote environmental stewardship promote human development and create shareholder value.
Vijay: As we discuss our results today I want to remind everyone that our business is best evaluated on an annual basis since demand for environmental solutions does not follow consistent quarterly patterns.
Vijay Manthripragada: As we discuss our results today, I want to remind everyone that our business is best evaluated on an annual basis since demand for environmental solutions does not follow consistent quarterly patterns. This is how we manage our operations and how we recommend viewing our performance.
Vijay: This is how we manage our operations and how we recommend viewing our performance.
Vijay: So with that I am extremely pleased to report that 2024 was another exceptional year for mantras.
Vijay Manthripragada: So with that, I'm extremely pleased to report that 2024 was another exceptional year for Montrose. We delivered 2024 revenue of $696.4 million and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $95.8 million, both record highs, demonstrating the strength of our integrated environmental platform. Our revenue has grown at a 24% CAGR since 2019, significantly outperforming the industry's growth during this period. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin increased as planned, achieving a robust expansion of 120 basis points to 13.8% for the year, driven by improved operating leverage across all of our segments. We were also pleased by the continued progress of Matrix in Canada.
Vijay: We delivered 2020 for revenue of $696 4 million and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $95 8 million both record highs demonstrating the strength of our integrated environmental platform.
Our revenue has grown at a 24% CAGR since 2019 significantly outperforming the industry's growth during this period.
Vijay: Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin increased as planned achieving a robust expansion of 120 basis points to 13, 8% for the year driven by improved operating leverage across all of our segments.
Vijay: We were also pleased by the continued progress of matrix in Canada.
Vijay Manthripragada: As you may recall, Matrix joined us in June 2023 at low single digit EBITDA margins, and 18 months later, they exited the fourth quarter at an annualized run rate in the mid to high teen EBITDA margins. This impressive result is one example of many of our acquisition and integration successes. Our strong 2024 performance was driven by robust organic revenue growth of 8.3%. Our organic growth performance hinges on our continued customer retention and cross-selling successes, which highlight the power of our integrated strategy and our focus on innovation. cross-selling improved to 53% of our 2024 revenue, up from 51% in the prior year.
Vijay: As you May recall matrix joined US in June 2023 at low single digit EBITDA margins and 18 months later, they exited the fourth quarter at an annualized run rate in the mid to high teen EBITDA margins.
Vijay: This impressive result is one example of many of our acquisition and integration successes.
Vijay: Our strong 2024 performance was driven by robust organic revenue growth of eight 3%.
Vijay: Our organic growth performance hinges on our continued customer retention and cross selling successes, which highlight the power of our integrated strategy and our focus on innovation.
Cross selling improved to 53% of our 2024 revenue up from 51% in the prior year.
Vijay Manthripragada: We also recorded our 3rd consecutive year with a 96% revenue retention rate demonstrating the stability of our customer base. This strong organic performance occurred despite significant macro level changes in our industry, mainly in the United States, further demonstrating the resilience of our business model and the benefit of a diversified private sector client base. In addition, approximately 20% of our revenue originated from Canada, Australia, and Europe, which continue to perform very well in aggregate and in each geography. This marks a significant increase from only 4% international revenue in 2021. We expect continued positive momentum, particularly in Canada, under a potential Poiliev administration.
Vijay: We also recorded our third consecutive year with a 96% revenue retention rate demonstrating the stability of our customer base.
Vijay: This strong organic performance occurred despite significant macro level changes in our industry, mainly in the United States further demonstrating the resilience of our business model and the benefit of a diversified private sector client base.
Vijay: In addition, approximately 20% of our revenue originated from Canada, Australia, and Europe, which continued to perform very well in aggregate and in each geography.
Vijay: This marks a significant increase from only 4% international revenue in 2021.
Vijay: We expect continued positive momentum, particularly in Canada under a potential Potently administration.
Vijay: Our treatment technology services are growing nicely in the EU and demand for our treatment technology services in Australia has increased significantly, including our recent project award with Sydney water.
Vijay Manthripragada: Our treatment technology services are growing nicely in the EU and demand for our treatment technology services in Australia has increased significantly, including our recent project award with Sydney Water.
Vijay Manthripragada: Given many investor questions about the political landscape in the current U.S. administration, we remain confident in our ability to perform over the next four years and beyond. As we've demonstrated with our historical track record, we've been able to significantly expand and grow our business during each of the Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations. Our business model is designed to be largely insulated from political swings at the federal level. We expect this trend to hold going forward, and we believe the new Trump administration will create more tailwinds than headwinds. The administration's focus on cost efficiency, U.S. manufacturing, and domestic energy production fit nicely with our current business mix and business strategy.
Vijay: Given many investor questions about the political landscape in the current U S administration.
Vijay: We remain confident in our ability to perform over the next four years and beyond.
Vijay: As we've demonstrated with our historical track record, we've been able to significantly expand and grow our business during each of the Obama Trump Biden administrations.
Vijay: Our business model is designed to be largely insulated from political swings at the federal level.
Vijay: We expect this trend to hold going forward and we believe the new Trump administration will create more tailwind than headwinds.
Vijay: The administration's focus on cost efficiency U S manufacturing and domestic energy production fit nicely with our current business mix and business strategy.
Vijay Manthripragada: independent of that. Our strong private sector focus, our limited exposure to any one end market. and the higher relative influence of state revel regulations on our customer activity enable us to thrive despite federal political change. For example, 28 states have developed and enforced PFAS regulations independent of federal oversight which continues to drive demand for our treatment technologies in the U.S. As a second example, Methane Emission Monitoring Services accounted for approximately 3% of our 2024 revenue with about two-thirds of these activities originating from nine states that have established their own methane emissions regulations independent of federal rules.
Vijay: Independent of that.
Vijay: Our strong private sector focus our limited exposure to any one end market.
Vijay: And the higher relative influence of state level regulations on our customer activity enable us to thrive despite federal political changes.
Vijay: For example, 28 states have developed an enforced P fast regulations independent of federal oversight, which continues to drive demand for our treatment technologies in the U S.
Vijay: As a second example.
Vijay: Methane emission monitoring services accounted for approximately 3% of our 2020 for revenue.
Vijay: With about two thirds of these activities originating from nine states that have established their own methane emissions regulations independent of federal rules.
Vijay Manthripragada: Specifically, states like Texas, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Dakota, Montana, Utah, Colorado, and California have all implemented state-level methane monitoring requirements independent of federal policy changes. These state-level regulatory frameworks provide stability and predictability for our clients and therefore our business. I would note that our acquisition activity also aligns with states that take an independent and proactive approach to environmental stewardship for all. While PFAS and greenhouse gases are getting most of the attention from Wall Street, I want to highlight that approximately 85% of our business is anchored on other contaminants that have a longer regulated history and continued bipartisan support.
Vijay: Specifically states like Texas, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Dakota, Montana, Utah, Colorado, and California have all implemented state level methane monitoring requirements independent of federal policy changes.
Vijay: These state level regulatory frameworks provides stability and predictability for our clients and therefore our business.
Vijay: I would note that our acquisition activity also aligns with states that taken independent and proactive approach to environmental stewardship for all.
Vijay: Okay.
Vijay: Wild Paphos in greenhouse gases are getting most of the attention from wall Street I want to highlight that approximately 85% of our business is anchored on other contaminants that have a longer regulated unregulated history and continued bipartisan support.
Vijay: We believe and we're seeing this in the marketplace that our vertically integrated business model enhanced by our portfolio of 24 patents and proprietary technologies will continue to differentiate mantras.
Vijay Manthripragada: We believe, and we're seeing this in the marketplace, that our vertically integrated business model, enhanced by our portfolio of 24 patents and proprietary technologies, will continue to differentiate Montrose. We recently helped a major U.S. energy client address their environmental challenges by leveraging multiple service lines, starting with our advisory services for initial assessments, then utilizing our laboratories for testing and ultimately implementing our treatment solutions to deliver a solution that would otherwise have required multiple vendors. Our ability to provide this type of integrated environmental solution positions us to help our clients navigate an increasingly complex regulatory landscape.
Vijay: We recently helped a major U S energy client address their environmental challenges by leveraging multiple service lines, starting with our advisory services for initial assessments.
Vijay: Then utilizing our laboratories for testing and ultimately implementing our treatment solutions to develop to deliver a solution that would otherwise have required multiple vendors.
Vijay: Our ability to provide this type of integrated environmental solution positions us to help our clients navigate an increasingly complex regulatory landscape.
Vijay: In addition to revenue and EBITDA performance. We were also pleased with the strength of our balance sheet at year end.
Vijay Manthripragada: In addition to revenue and EBITDA performance, we were also pleased with the strength of our balance sheet at year-end. Our leverage ratio reduced to 2.1 times, and we have more than ample liquidity to execute on our plans for this year, which Allan will expand upon shortly. As noted last year, our goal in 2025 is to simplify our balance sheet through the redemption of our preferred stock with $60 million planned for redemption this April and the remaining $62 million expected before the end of 2025. As we've highlighted previously, this redemption will be funded through a combination of cash and borrowings under our new credit facility, which Allan will expand upon shortly.
Vijay: Our leverage ratio reduced to two one times and we have more than ample liquidity to execute on our plans for this year, which Alan will expand upon shortly.
Vijay: As noted last year our goal in 2025 is to simplify our balance sheet through the redemption of our preferred stock with $60 million plan for redemption. This April and the remaining $62 million expected before the end of 2025.
Vijay: As we've highlighted previously this redemption will be funded through a combination of cash and borrowings under our new credit facility, which Alan will expand upon shortly.
Alan: While we are temporarily deemphasizing M&A to prioritize balance sheet optimization acquisitions remain a key part of our long term strategy our growth algorithm and our investment thesis, we will continue prudently managing leverage while deploying capital and driving shareholder value.
Vijay Manthripragada: While we are temporarily de-emphasizing M&A to prioritize balance sheet optimization, acquisitions remain a key part of our long-term strategy, our growth algorithm, and our investment thesis. We will continue prudently managing leverage while deploying capital and driving shareholder value.
Alan: I would now like to highlight recent shareholder focused actions that underscore our commitment to shareholder engagement and feedback.
Vijay Manthripragada: I would now like to highlight recent shareholder focused actions that underscore our commitment to shareholder engagement and feedback. In the near term, we are focused on simplifying our financials to better demonstrate the organic growth and earnings power of our underlying business. As part of this effort, the executive team voluntarily canceled all outstanding executive stock appreciation rights, or SARs, with no commensurate replacement compensation. This eliminates approximately $10 million in non-cash expenses from our P&L annually in 2025 and 2026. For 2025, we also modified our executive compensation structure, removing M&A incentives from my, Allan's, and our general counsel's short-term incentive program, and tying executive compensation more closely to progress against key strategic efforts in addition to EBITDA targets.
Alan: In the near term, we are focused on simplifying our financials to better demonstrate the organic growth and earnings power of our underlying business.
Alan: As part of this effort the executive team voluntarily canceled all outstanding executive stock appreciation rights or Sars with no commensurate replacement compensation.
Alan: This eliminates approximately $10 million of noncash expenses from our P&L annually in 2025 and 2026.
Alan: For 2025, we also modified our executive compensation structure, removing M&A incentives from my Islands, and our General Counsel short term incentive program.
Alan: And tying executive compensation more closely to progress against key strategic efforts. In addition to EBITDA targets.
Vijay Manthripragada: We also continue to add talent to our board of directors and recently added Vin Coleman as an independent director and member of our audit committee.
Alan: We also continue to add talent to our board of directors and recently added Vin Coleman as an independent director and member of our audit Committee.
Vijay Manthripragada: We welcome Vin to Montrose and I am confident his expertise will be invaluable to our future. We are also considering additional industry experts for future board positions.
Alan: We welcome them to Montrose and I'm confident his expertise will be invaluable to our future.
Alan: We are also considering additional industry experts for future board positions.
Alan: Finally, following the events of last year, our audit committee engaged an independent legal and an independent accounting firm in connection with its review of the assertions made in a short report regarding mantras.
Vijay Manthripragada: Finally, following the events of last year, our Audit Committee engaged an independent legal and an independent accounting firm in connection with its review of the assertions made in a short report regarding Montrose. We are pleased to announce that the independent third party reports provided to the Audit Committee did not identify any material issues, including with respect to intentional manipulation, misconduct, or management's integrity as alleged. Based on this review, the company determined that no amendment or restatement of historical SEC filings and previously issued financial statements was needed. Nor is there any basis to make substantive changes to our disclosures or financial reporting.
Alan: We are pleased to announce that the independent third party reports provided to the audit committee did not identify any material issues, including with respect to intentional manipulation misconduct or managements integrity as alleged.
Alan: Based on this review the company determined that no amendment or restatement of historical SEC filings and previously issued financial statements was needed.
Alan: Nor is there any basis to make substantive changes to our disclosures or financial reporting.
Vijay Manthripragada: In summary, regarding 2024, I'm extremely proud of our team and all that they have accomplished, and I'm proud Montrose delivered another year of record results in 2024. Our integrated business model and our technology capabilities continue to differentiate us and our ability to provide high quality environmental science and technology continues to resonate with our clients across our market.
Alan: In summary regarding 2024 IMAX.
Alan: I'm extremely proud of our team and all that they have accomplished and I'm proud Montrose delivered another year of record results in 2024.
Alan: Our integrated business model and our technology capabilities continue to differentiate us and our ability to provide high quality environmental science and technology continues to resonate with our clients across our markets.
Alan: As it relates to 2025 the outlook for our business is strong.
Vijay Manthripragada: As it relates to 2025, the outlook for our business is strong. We are introducing guidance of $735 million to $785 million in revenue and $101 million to $108 million in consolidated adjusted EBIT dollars. This guidance assumes no impact from future acquisitions and it reflects our confidence in driving organic revenue growth and concurrently improving margins, as we have been doing, which Allan will expand upon shortly. The near-term simplification of our capital structure and temporary pause in acquisitions will allow the organic growth and cash generation power of the business to shine. We reiterate 7-9% expected annual organic growth and 50% plus operating cash flow conversion.
Alan: We are introducing guidance of $735 million to $785 million in revenue.
Alan: $101 million to $108 million and consolidated adjusted EBITDA.
Alan: This guidance assumes no impact from future acquisitions, and it reflects our confidence in driving organic revenue growth and concurrently improving margins as we have been doing which Alan will expand upon shortly.
Alan: The near term simplification of our capital structure and temporary pause in acquisitions will allow the organic growth and cash generation power of the business to shine.
Alan: We reiterate 7% to 9% expected annual organic growth and 50% plus operating cash flow conversion.
Vijay Manthripragada: The powerful combination of our proven growth algorithm of strong organic growth driven by cross-selling success and strong customer retention. plus our successful integration of recent acquisition. in addition to our increased margins and operating efficiency. our balance sheet and cash flow strength. and our innovation success developing patented technologies all continue to validate the strategic advantages of our business model and position us well to continue creating value for our stakeholders and shareholders as we advance our mission.
Alan: The powerful combination of our proven growth algorithm of strong organic growth driven by cross selling success and strong customer retention.
Alan: Plus our successful integration of recent acquisitions.
Alan: In addition to our increased margins and operating efficiency.
Alan: Our balance sheet and cash flow strength.
Alan: And our innovation success developing patented technologies all continue to validate the strategic advantages of our business model and position us well to continue creating value for our stakeholders and shareholders as we advance our mission.
Allan Dicks: Thank you for your continued interest in Montrose, and with that, I will hand it over to Allan. Thank you very much. Thanks, Vijay. We delivered exceptional performance in both the fourth quarter and full year 2024 as we continue to execute on our growth strategy. Our strong results in 2024 were driven by robust organic growth from cross-selling momentum and expanding customer relationships, along with the positive contributions from our highly additive acquisition activity. Our strategic focus on higher margin services and operational efficiency continues to benefit our business, resulting in the strong year-over-year improvement in our overall profitability.
Alan: Thank you for your continued interest in Montrose and with that I will hand, it over to Alan Thank you very much.
Alan: Thanks P. J, we delivered exceptional performance in both the fourth quarter and full year 2024, as we continued to execute on our growth strategy.
Speaker Change: Results in 2024 were driven by robust organic growth from cross selling momentum and expanding customer relationships along with the positive contributions from our highly additive acquisition activity.
Speaker Change: Our strategic focus on higher margin services and operational efficiency continues to benefit our business, resulting in the strong year over year improvement in our overall profitability.
Allan Dicks: Moving to our revenue performance. Our fourth quarter revenue increased to a record $189.1 million, a 14.1% increase compared to the prior year quarter. Full year 2024 revenues increased to $696.4 million, up 11.6% versus 2023. The primary drivers of growth in the fourth quarter were strong organic growth in our assessment, permitting and response, and measurement and analysis segments, plus contributions from acquisition. partially offset by lower environmental emergency response and treatment technology revenue. We were pleased to generate organic growth of 8.3% for the full year in line with our expectations for 7 to 9% average organic growth over the long term.
Speaker Change: Moving to our revenue performance.
Speaker Change: Fourth quarter revenue increased to a record $189 1 million, a 14, 1% increase compared to the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: Full year 2024 revenues increased to $696 4 million up 11, 6% versus 2023.
Speaker Change: The primary drivers of growth in the fourth quarter with strong organic growth in our assessment permitting in response and measurement and analysis segment plus contributions from acquisitions, partially offset by lower environmental emergency response and treatment technology revenues.
Speaker Change: We were pleased to generate organic growth of eight 3% for the full year.
Speaker Change: In line with our expectations with 7% to 9% average organic growth over the long term.
Speaker Change: Our consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter reached $27 2 million or 14, 4% of revenue.
Allan Dicks: Our consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter reached $27.2 million or 14.4% of revenue. This compares favorably to consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $17.5 million or 10.5% of revenue in the prior year quarter. Full year 2024 Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA was $95.8 million or 13.8% of revenue compared to Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA of $78.6 million or 12.6% of revenue in 2023. The significant increase in profitability for both periods was driven by organic growth, the impact of acquisitions, and improved operating leverage on higher revenues, partially offset by a decrease in high-margin environmental emergency response revenue. Diluted Adjusted Net Income Per Share of $0.29 in the fourth quarter of 2024 increased from $0.27 in the prior year.
Speaker Change: This compares favorably to consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $17 5 million or 10, 5% of revenue in the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: Full year 2020 for consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $95 8 million or 13, 8% of revenue compared to consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $78 6 million or 12, 6% of revenue in 2023.
Speaker Change: The significant increase in profitability for both periods was driven by organic growth the impact of.
Speaker Change: Acquisitions and improved operating leverage on higher revenues, partially offset by a decrease in high margin environmental emergency response revenues.
Speaker Change: Diluted adjusted net income per share of 29 in the fourth quarter of 2024 increased from 27 in the prior year quarter.
Allan Dicks: This was primarily due to lower dividends on our Series A2, partially offset by a higher weighted average diluted share count in the quarter. For the full year 2024, Diluted Adjusted Net Income Per Share of $1.08 increased modestly from $1.07 in the prior year as the benefit from higher EBITDA and lower dividends on our Series A2 was mostly offset by higher interest and tax expenses and a higher weighted average diluted check.
Speaker Change: This was primarily due to lower dividends on our series a two partially offset by higher weighted average diluted share count in the quarter.
Speaker Change: For the full year 2024 diluted adjusted net income per share of $1 eight increased modestly from $1 seven in the prior year as the benefit from higher EBITDA and lower dividends on our series a tube was mostly offset by higher interest and tax expenses and a higher weighted average diluted.
Speaker Change: Share count.
Allan Dicks: Please note that our adjusted net income per diluted share attributable to common shareholders is calculated using adjusted net income attributable to stockholders divided by fully diluted shares. We believe this net income methodology is the most helpful net income metric for Montrose and common equity investors.
Speaker Change: Please note that our adjusted net income per diluted share attributable to common shareholders is calculated using adjusted net income attributable to stockholders divided by fully diluted shares.
Speaker Change: We believe this net income methodology is the most helpful net income metric for Montrose and common equity investors.
Speaker Change: I will now discuss our fourth quarter performance by segment.
Allan Dicks: I will now discuss our fourth quarter performance by segment. In our assessment, permitting and response segment, fourth quarter revenue was $50.8 million compared to $50.1 million in the prior year's quarter. AP&R's segment-adjusted EBITDA was $7.9 million, or 15.6% of revenue, compared to 18.3% in the prior year quarter. Results during the fourth quarter reflect organic growth in consulting and advisory services and the positive impact of acquisitions. partially offset by an $8.4 million decline in environmental emergency response revenue. Given this segment includes our environmental emergency response business, associated revenue does not follow a regular quarterly or seasonal pattern.
Speaker Change: In our assessment permitting and response segment fourth quarter revenue was $50 8 million compared to $50 1 million in the prior year's quarter.
Speaker Change: <unk> segment, adjusted EBITDA was $7 9 million or 15, 6% of revenue compared to 18, 3% in the prior year quarter.
Speaker Change: Results during the fourth quarter reflect organic growth in consulting and advisory services and the positive impact of acquisitions.
Speaker Change: Partially offset by an $8 4 million decline in environmental emergency response revenues.
Speaker Change: Given this segment includes our environmental emergency response business associated revenue does not follow a regular quarterly or seasonal pattern.
Allan Dicks: In our measurement and analysis segment, revenues for the quarter increased 21.3% to $65.5 million. We continue to experience strong organic growth across laboratory and field services. M&A segment adjusted EBITDA increased 88.7% to $18.3 million, or 27.9% of revenue, a 1,000 basis point margin improvement over the prior year quarter due to organic revenue growth, contributions from acquisitions, and operating leverage. In our remediation and reuse segment, fourth quarter revenue increased 18.2% to $72.8 million, benefiting from acquisition contributions of $10.1 million and partially offset by a decrease in treatment technology revenue. This segment's adjusted EBITDA increased 53% to $12.7 million and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 400 basis points to 17.5%.
Speaker Change: And our measurement and analysis segment revenues for the quarter increased 21, 3% to $65 $5 million.
Speaker Change: We continue to experience strong organic growth across laboratory and field services.
Speaker Change: M&A segment, adjusted EBITDA increased 88, 7% to $18 3 million or 27, 9% of revenue a 1000 basis point margin improvement over the prior year quarter due to organic revenue growth contributions from acquisitions and operating leverage.
Speaker Change: In our remediation and reuse segment fourth quarter revenue increased 18, 2% to $72 8 million.
Speaker Change: Benefiting from acquisition contributions of $10 1 million and partially offset by a decrease in treatment technology revenue.
Speaker Change: This segment's adjusted EBITDA increased 53% to $12 7 million and adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 400 basis points to 17, 5%.
Allan Dicks: The increase in segment-adjusted EBITDA dollars as a percent of revenue primarily reflects strong operational improvement in matrix and contributions from acquired companies.
Speaker Change: The increase in segment adjusted EBITDA as a percent of revenue primarily reflects strong operational improvement and matrix and contributions from acquired companies.
Speaker Change: Moving to our cash flow and capital structure.
Allan Dicks: Moving to our cash flow and capital structure. I'd like to first note that the invoicing delays associated with the integration of Matrix as discussed last quarter have been fully resolved and invoicing and collections have returned to a normal cadence. Full year cash flow from operating activities was $22.2 million compared to $56 million in the prior year. Lower cash flow from operations was primarily driven by an increase in working capital of $40.4 million versus $3.3 million in the prior year period, as well as higher interest payments of $6.7 million and higher tax payments of $3.2 million.
Speaker Change: I'd like to first note that the invoicing delays associated with the integration of matrix as discussed last quarter have been fully resolved and invoicing and collections have returned to a normal cadence.
Speaker Change: Full year cash flow from operating activities was $22 2 million compared to $56 million in the prior year.
Speaker Change: Lower cash flow from operations was primarily driven by an increase in working capital of $44 million.
Speaker Change: Versus $3 3 million in the prior year period, as well as higher interest payments of $6 7 million and higher tax payments of $3 2 million.
Allan Dicks: An increase in accounts receivable of $42 million drove the change in working capital, with approximately $23.3 million related to fourth quarter revenue growth as compared to the prior year period, and the remainder mostly associated with the previously disclosed receivables from a large U.S. government project. The large project was for the city of Tustin in California and related to a fire at a U.S. Navy-owned facility where we provided environmental monitoring and remediation services. We were contracted directly by Tustin, and the U.S. Navy has committed to reimburse Tustin for its total costs associated with the fire. Tustin is continuing to work with the U.S.
Speaker Change: An increase in accounts receivable of $42 million drove the change in working capital was approximately $23 3 million related to fourth quarter revenue growth as compared to the prior year period.
Speaker Change: And the remainder mostly associated with the previously disclosed receivables from a large U S government project.
Speaker Change: The large project was for the city of Tustin, California and related to a fire at a U S. Navy owned facility, where we provided environmental monitoring and remediation services.
Speaker Change: We were contracted directly by Justin and the U S. Navy has committed to reimburse testing for its total costs associated with the fire.
Speaker Change: Constant is continuing to work with the U S Navy on reviewing and processing invoices and payments, which had been delayed due to the complexity of the incident.
Allan Dicks: Navy on reviewing and processing invoices and payments, which have been delayed due to the complexity of the incident. Tustin has not disputed any of the company's invoices and has continued making payments in good faith while waiting for additional U.S. Navy funding. To date, Tustin has paid 40% of all Montrose invoices. As of this call, the remaining amount Tutson owes Montrose is approximately $13.5 million. We are working collaboratively with Tustin, and we remain confident in the full collectability of the outstanding balance.
Speaker Change: Hudson has not disputed any of the companies and voices and has continued making payments in good faith, while waiting for additional U S Navy funding.
Speaker Change: To date Hudson has paid 40% of all mantras invoices.
Speaker Change: As of this call the remaining amount testing OS Montrose is approximately $13 5 million.
Speaker Change: We are working collaboratively with testing and we remain confident in the full collectability of the outstanding balance.
Speaker Change: Yesterday, we finalized a new credit agreement, which has several benefits to mantra stakeholders.
Allan Dicks: Yesterday, we finalized a new credit agreement, which has several benefits to Montrose stakeholders. The new facility expands our borrowing capacity to $500 million in the form of a $200 million term loan and $300 million revolving credit facility. Furthermore, the new credit facility includes slightly lower interest rates, a mechanism for share repurchases, larger baskets for ongoing operations and acquisitions, and extends maturity five years. Optimizing our capital structure is an integral part of our long-term strategy, and we are very pleased to do that while enhancing our financial flexibility. Pro forma for the 2025 credit facility, as of December 31, 2024, we had approximately $300 million of liquidity, including $12.9 million of cash on hand and $283.8 million of availability on our credit facility.
Speaker Change: The new facility expands our borrowing capacity to $500 million in the form of a $200 million term loan and $300 million revolving credit facility.
Speaker Change: Furthermore, the new credit facility includes a slightly lower interest rates.
Speaker Change: A mechanism for share repurchases larger.
Speaker Change: Larger baskets for ongoing operations and acquisitions and extends maturity five years.
Speaker Change: Optimizing our capital structure is an integral part of our long term strategy and we are very pleased to do that while enhancing our financial flexibility.
Speaker Change: Pro forma for the 2025 credit facility as of December 31, 2024, we had approximately $300 million of liquidity, including $12 $9 million of cash on hand, and $283 $8 million of availability on our credit facility.
Allan Dicks: Our leverage ratio as of December 31st, 2024 was 2.1 times. Also, as of December 31, 2024, we had $122 million of Series A2 outstanding, with repayment in cash at our election, and we anticipate a full redemption of this outstanding amount in cash by year-end.
Speaker Change: Our leverage ratio as of December 31, 2024 was two one times.
Speaker Change: Also as of December 31, 2024, we had $122 million of series a two outstanding with repayments in cash at our election, and we anticipate a full redemption of the outstanding amount in cash by year end.
Speaker Change: Moving to our full year outlook based on the positive momentum in our business. We are introducing our outlook for full year 2025 revenues to be in the range of $735 million to $785 million.
Allan Dicks: Moving to our full year outlook, based on the positive momentum in our business, we are introducing our outlook for full year 2025 revenues to be in the range of $735 to $785 million. We expect Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $101 million to $108 million, representing an expectation of further margin enhancement this year. We continue to anticipate strong organic growth and reiterate our 2025 and expected long term average of 7 to 9% given our current visibility into end market demand and cross selling momentum. Our outlook also includes an expectation for environmental emergency response revenues to be in the range of $50 to $70 million.
Speaker Change: We expect consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $101 million to $108 million, representing an expectation of further margin enhancement this year.
Speaker Change: We continue to anticipate strong organic growth and reiterate our 2025 and expected long term average of 7% to 9% given our current visibility into end market demand and cross selling momentum.
Speaker Change: Our outlook also includes an expectation for environmental emergency response revenues to be in the range of $50 million to $70 million.
Allan Dicks: similar to the 48 million generated in 2024. Additionally, we anticipate the conversion of consolidated adjusted EBITDA into operating cash flow to be over 50% consistent with our long-term annual target and the average achieved from 2022 to 2024.
Speaker Change: Similar to the $48 million generated in 2024.
Speaker Change: Additionally, we anticipate the conversion of consolidated adjusted EBITDA into operating cash flow to be over 50% consistent with our long term annual target and the average achieved from 2022 through 2024.
Speaker Change: As we think about the opportunities and risks that would drive us to either end of our guidance range. We wanted to provide a bit more color on the topic.
Allan Dicks: As we think about the opportunities and risks. that would drive us to either end of our guidance range. We wanted to provide a bit more color on the topic. We see several factors that may impact 2025 performance, including increased demand for our water treatment solutions and demand from higher energy and industrial production. Unexpected macroeconomic impacts, fluctuations in environmental emergency responses, impacts from deregulation, and changes in project timing. We believe our guidance appropriately balances these factors based on our current visibility into 2020.
Speaker Change: We see several factors that may impact 2025 performance, including increased demand for our water treatment solutions and demand from higher energy and industrial production.
Speaker Change: Unexpected macroeconomic impacts fluctuations in environmental emergency responses impacts from deregulation and changes in project timing.
Speaker Change: We believe our guidance appropriately balances. These factors based on our current visibility into 2025.
Speaker Change: Looking at the cadence of revenue and margins in 2025, we expect first half and second half revenue as percentages of our full year 2025 App look.
Allan Dicks: Looking at the cadence of revenue and margins in 2025, we expect first half and second half revenue as percentages of our full year 2025 outlook. to follow 2024 trend. Quarterly revenue as a percentage of first half 2025 revenue is also expected to follow first half 2024 quarterly trends. And first half 2025 consolidated adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue is expected to be comparable to first half 2024, with first quarter 2025 consolidated adjusted EBITDA representing approximately one third of first half 2025 consolidated adjusted EBITDA. This expected quarterly profile has been incorporated into our full year guidance range.
Speaker Change: To follow 2024 trends.
Speaker Change: Orderly revenue as a percentage of first half 2025 revenue is also expected to follow a first half 2024 quarterly trends and first half 2025 consolidated adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue is expected to be comparable to first half 2024.
Speaker Change: With first quarter 2025, consolidated adjusted EBITDA, representing approximately one third of first half 2025 consolidated adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker Change: This is expected quarterly profile has been incorporated into our full year guidance ranges.
Speaker Change: In the near term, we will continue to prioritize balance sheet simplification through the redemption of our series a preferred stock and subsequent deleveraging optimizing our capital structure and cash flow are integral parts of our strategy to drive even stronger returns from future M&A, which remains a core part of our.
Allan Dicks: In the near term, we will continue to prioritize balance sheet simplification through the redemption of our Series A2 preferred stock and subsequent deleveraging. Optimizing our capital structure and cash flow are integral parts of our strategy to drive even stronger returns from future M&A, which remains a core part of our long-term growth story.
Speaker Change: Long term growth story.
Allan Dicks: Thank you all for joining us today and for your continued interest in Montrose. We look forward to the opportunities we see ahead and updating you on our progress next quarter.
Speaker Change: Thank you all for joining us today and for your continued interest in Montrose, we look forward to the opportunities. We see ahead and updating you on our progress next quarter.
Operator: Operator, we are ready to open the lines to questions. We will now begin the question and answer. To ask a question, you press star, then one, and you're are using a speakerphone. Take your hands up. It will be 4 o'clock. At any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw it, please press star 1.
Speaker Change: We are ready to open the lines to questions.
Speaker Change: Yes. Thank you we will.
Speaker Change: We'll now begin the question and answer session to ask a question you May Press Star then one on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker Change: At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster.
Speaker Change: And today's first question comes from Tim Mulrooney with William Blair.
Tim Mulrooney: Today's first question comes from Tim Mulrooney. Allan, Vijay, good morning. Hey Tim, how are you? doing well, thank you. Just a couple for me. So it looks like you ended the year strong with with 8% core organic growth for the full year and you're looking for another year of growth in that range right in line with your long term target.
Alan VJ: Alan VJ good morning.
Speaker Change: Hey, Tim how are you.
Doing well. Thank you just a couple for me. So it looks like you ended the year strong with 8% core organic growth for the full year and you are looking for another year of growth in that range right in line with your long term targets.
Vijay Manthripragada: Um, but we noticed at the midpoint of your Yeah, Tim, why don't I start with that and I'll let Allan take it. We do see continued opportunities for operating leverage and margin expansion, Tim. And where you're likely going to see that is going to be continued margin accretion on our remediation reuse segment, which has been showing really nice trends, but remains subscale, and then continued operating leverage off of corporate costs. But you're correct, at the midpoint, we have guided to a what we would consider a middle of the fairway outlook, which is steady organic growth, and given the strong margin performance last year, steady EBITDA margins.
Speaker Change: But we noticed that the midpoint of your.
Speaker Change: EBITDA margin guidance range and looks to me and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me as if you're forecasting essentially flat EBITDA margins year over year from 24 to 25, So I'm just curious.
Speaker Change: With that good operating leverage you should see on the top line.
Speaker Change: Why you wouldn't expect to see more margin expansion here in 2025.
Speaker Change: Yeah, Tim why don't I start with that and I'll, let Alan take it we do see continued opportunities for operating leverage and margin expansion Tim.
Speaker Change: And where you are likely going to see that is going to be continued margin accretion on our remediation reuse segment, which has been showing really nice trends, but remain subscale and then continued operating leverage off of corporate costs, but you are correct at the midpoint, we have guided to a what we would consider a middle of the fairway.
Speaker Change: Outlook, which is.
Speaker Change: Steady organic growth and given the strong margin performance last year.
Vijay Manthripragada: Our focus is also heavily on cash generation, which we're also quite optimistic about. But the short answer to your question is yes, we do believe there's going to be a really nice continued margin accretion opportunity. Got it. Okay, so maybe it's just more of a point in time thing. But generally speaking, you see further margin trajectory upwards, you know, if you step back and look at it from a multi-year perspective, I guess. That's right. Building it. Okay.
Speaker Change: <unk> EBITDA margins. Our focus is also heavily on cash generation, which were also quite optimistic about.
Speaker Change: But the short answer to your question is yes, we do believe there's going to be a really nice continued margin accretion opportunity.
Speaker Change: Got it okay. So maybe it's just more of a pointed time, saying, but generally speaking do you see further margin.
Speaker Change: Trajectory upwards, if you step back and look at it from a multiyear perspective I guess.
Speaker Change: That's right building okay. Thank you and then building on your.
Allan Dicks: Thank you. And then building on your Your comment on cash, you know, it looks like cash flows were really strong in the fourth quarter. It was great to see. But I think, and again, correct me if I'm wrong, operating cash flow conversion was still a little lower than your... your target for the year of 50%. I'm just curious what changed there relative to your prior expectations. And, you know, what gives you confidence that you're more likely to hit that 50% target in 2025?
Speaker Change: Your comment on cash.
Speaker Change: It looks like cash flows were really strong in the fourth quarter. It was great to see.
Speaker Change: But I think and again correct me if I'm wrong, our operating cash flow conversion was still a little lower than your.
Speaker Change: Your target for the year of 50% I'm, just curious what changed there relative to your prior expectations and what gives you confidence that that youre more likely to hit that 50% target in 2025.
Speaker Change: Yeah, let me take that Tim.
Allan Dicks: Yeah, let me take that, Tim. The, so yeah, we had expected to be slightly better than we ended up for 24. Part of that was an expectation that some of the City of Tustin open invoices would be settled before year end. There were there were payments that came in subsequent to year end. So there was some timing there. And then the fourth quarter revenue improvement year over year was stronger than we had expected. And so that's a big drain. That's a big working capital drain. When you look at the Q4 to Q4 growth, that 14% growth, that'll turn around in Q1 as we collect those receivables.
Speaker Change: So yes, we had expected to be slightly better than we ended up for 24.
Speaker Change: Part of that was an expectation that some of the city of tustin or.
Speaker Change: Open invoices would be settled before year end.
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Speaker Change: There were there were payments that came in subsequent to year end.
Speaker Change: So there was some timing there and then the fourth quarter revenue improvement year over year was stronger than we had expected and so that's a big drain that's a big working capital drain when you look at the Q4 to Q4 growth.
Speaker Change: 14% growth.
Speaker Change: That will turn around in Q1.
Speaker Change: As we collect those receivables so it's purely a timing issue.
Allan Dicks: So it's purely a timing issue. If you look back over a three year period, we've averaged around 51% conversion. And that's with what we would consider a subpar 2024 cash flow generative year. And we expect that to fully rebound in 25. So purely a temporary issue. Even with the City of Tustin, we remain very confident in the full collectability of those outstanding amounts.
If you look back over a three year period, we've averaged.
Speaker Change: Around 51% conversion and Thats with.
Speaker Change: What we would consider a sub par 2024 cash flow generative year and.
Speaker Change: And we expect that to fully rebound in.
Speaker Change: In 2005, so purely a temporary issue.
Speaker Change: Even with the city of Tustin, we remain very confident in the full collectability of those outstanding amount.
Allan Dicks: Yeah, Allan, it sounds like both of those are. timing issues, and you've gotten some payments subsequent to your end. and would expect to collect on some of that strong growth you saw in the fourth quarter. So both of those timing issues you'd expect to begin to improve here already. Correct? Absolutely. That's correct, Tim. Yes.
Alan VJ: Yes, Alan it sounds like both of those are pretty much.
Alan VJ: Issues and you've gotten some payments subsequent to year end.
Alan VJ: And we would expect to collect.
Alan VJ: On some of that strong growth you saw the fourth quarter. So both of those timing issues, you would expect them to begin to improve.
Alan VJ: Here already in the first quarter correct, absolutely that's correct yes.
Tim Mulrooney: Okay, great.
Alan VJ: Okay, great well. Thank you guys for taking my questions have a good day. Thanks, Tim.
Tim Mulrooney: Well, thank you guys for taking my questions. Have a good day. Thanks, Jim.
Thank you and our next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham <unk> Company.
Jim Ricchiuti: Thank you, and the next project comes from Jim Ricchiuti with NIDA. Hi, good morning. Guys, are you sick? Are you seeing any change in project timelines from clients, whether government or commercial in the early days of venue administration? and Vijay, you know, you alluded to the cow window. Are you seeing signs yet of those tailwinds just based on conversations that you're having with Yeah, we are, Jim. And it's not just, you know, conversations, right? I think our solid performance in Q4, following the election also demonstrated to us that our client activity continues at the pace, which has been really encouraging for us.
Jim Ricchiuti: Hi, good morning.
Speaker Change: Yes, Jim.
Speaker Change: Are you seeing any change in project timelines from clients, whether it's government or commercial in the early days.
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Jay: Jay you alluded to.
Jay: The tailwind that you anticipate or are you seeing signs yet of those tail ones just based on conversations that youre, having with clients.
Jay: Yes, we are Jim.
Speaker Change: And it's not just conversations right I think our solid performance in Q4 <unk>.
Speaker Change: Following the election also demonstrated to us that our client activity continues at the pace, which has been really encouraging for us.
Vijay Manthripragada: We are, you know, the federal government side of our business, Jim, is less than 3% of revenue. And so the private sector activity, which is kind of the lion's share of our business, now that some of that uncertainty related to the political climate has started to subside, activity is certainly picking back up. And we're really encouraged across the board with what we're seeing on the consulting, testing and treatment side. Obviously, there's still a lot of questions that are being answered, but our client sentiment is largely normal course and continued progress on the project. And then just with respect to as some of the clients sort out things that they're hearing, is there a has there been any any and others.
Speaker Change: We are.
Speaker Change: The federal government side of our business, Jim is less than 3% of revenue and so the private sector activity, which is kind of the lion's share of our business now.
Speaker Change: Now that some of that uncertainty related to the political climate has started to subside activity is certainly picking back up and we're.
Speaker Change: Really encouraged across the board with what we're seeing on the consulting testing and treatment side, obviously theres still a lot of questions.
Speaker Change: That are being answered but.
Speaker Change: But our client sentiment is largely normal course and continued progress on the projects.
Speaker Change: And then just with respect to some of the clients sort out things.
Speaker Change: That they are hearing.
Speaker Change: Is there has there been any change in anticipated project timelines.
Vijay Manthripragada: Thank you for your time. No, not at this point, no change. And, you know, I was hoping to... get a little bit more color on what you're seeing on the crossselling initiatives which seem to continue to in the right direction. But yeah, I'm wondering, can you talk about that? And I assume that much of this is also on the cross-sewing side is tied to the overall organic growth in the business. No, that's right, Jim. So there's a couple of ways to slice the data. Obviously, we talked about the total revenue driven by cross-selling, and it's encouraging for us that more than half of our revenue is now a function of the fact that our current clients are buying more of our services.
Speaker Change: No not at this point no no changes.
Speaker Change: Great.
Speaker Change: I was hoping.
Speaker Change: And maybe get a little bit more more color on.
Speaker Change: On what Youre seeing.
Speaker Change: The cross selling initiatives, which seem to continue to go.
Speaker Change: In the right direction, but yeah, yeah, I'm wondering can you talk about that.
Speaker Change: As to where you are getting the most traction.
Speaker Change: Whether it's from the types of clients or business lines.
Speaker Change: Assume that.
Speaker Change: Much of this is also.
Speaker Change: The cross selling side is tied to the overall organic growth in the business, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker Change: No that's right Jim.
Speaker Change: There's a couple of ways to slice the data obviously we.
Speaker Change: You had talked about the total revenue driven by cross selling and it's encouraging for us that more than half of our revenue is now a function of the fact that our current clients are buying more of our services, where we're actually seeing a lot of traction Jim is in the metrics that we don't talk about as much which is folks buying kind of more than two services.
Vijay Manthripragada: Where we're actually seeing a lot of traction, Jim, is in the metrics that we don't talk about as much, which is folks buying kind of more than two services, meaning we're deepening the relationships with existing clients. That doesn't show up in these public metrics as robustly, but I have been really pleased and a lot of credit to our operating teams and our commercial teams with our clients buying two services or three services or four services. We have multiple engagements now that are broad geographical projects where the client has engaged us on several different service lines in a given year and over time.
Meaning we're deepening the relationships with existing clients that doesn't show up.
Speaker Change: And these public metrics as robustly, but I've been really pleased.
Speaker Change: A lot of credit to our operating teams and our commercial teams with our clients buying two services or three services or for services, we've had multiple engagements now.
Speaker Change: Our broad geographical projects that where the client is engaged us on several different service lines in a given year and overtime and I alluded to this a little bit in my prepared comments with one of the large U S energy clients, but there's many examples of that and we look forward to sharing that and so.
Vijay Manthripragada: And I alluded to this a little bit in my prepared comments with one of the large US energy clients, but there's many examples of that, and we look forward to sharing that. And so we see, and the reason we have a lot of conviction in our organic growth outlook, we see that trend continuing. We don't really have to acquire any new customers to continue that trajectory over the next couple of years. And then we're obviously really pleased that we continue to also acquire new customers. And so kind of across the board, that is absolutely the anchor for our continued organic growth and our organic growth outlook.
Speaker Change: We see and the reason we have a lot of.
Speaker Change: Our conviction in our organic growth outlook, we see that trend continuing we don't really have to acquire any new customers to continue that trajectory over the next couple of years.
Speaker Change: And then we're obviously really pleased that we continue to also acquire new customers and so kind of across the board that is absolutely the anchor for our continued organic growth.
Speaker Change: And our organic growth outlook.
Jamie: Got it does that answer your question Jamie.
Jim Ricchiuti: Does that answer your question, Jim? It does, Vijay, thanks. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you. Thanks, Jim.
Speaker Change: DDA, Thanks, I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.
Jim Ricchiuti: Thanks, Jim.
Ryan Gilbert: Thank you and once again please press star and then 1 if you would like to And the next question comes from Ryan Gilbert. Hey, good morning. This is Ryan. I'm for Brian Butler. Hey Rod. So has ER work started strong this year? And then if so, to what extent has that been driven by above-average weather disruption? Our ER work is steady, Ryan. It was around $50 million last year, and our outlook for this year is similar. We don't really see, at this point, any outsized ER projects. Obviously, if any of those starts to come to fruition, we disclose that revenue every quarter, and we'll certainly highlight that.
Speaker Change: Thank you and once again, please press star and then one if you would like to ask your question.
Jim Ricchiuti: And the next question comes from Ryan Gilbert with Stifel.
Ryan Gilbert: Hey, Good morning. This is Ryan on for Brian Butler.
Rod: Hey, Rod.
Jim Ricchiuti: So.
Jim Ricchiuti: ER work started strong this year and then if so to what extent has that been driven by above average weather disruption.
Jim Ricchiuti: Our.
Ryan Gilbert: ER work is steady Ryan it was around $50 million last year and our outlook for this year is similar.
Ryan Gilbert: We don't really see at this point any outsized.
Ryan Gilbert: Our projects, obviously, if any of those starts to come to fruition, we disclosed that revenue every quarter and we will certainly highlight that but at this point no nothing abnormal.
Allan Dicks: But at this point, no, nothing abnormal that's worth noting on the call. And as it relates to the fires and weather and other events like that, that is kind of implicitly in the number that we provide, which is that 50 to 70 range. And so I would just continue to stick to that. With what we see at this point, there's no reason to deviate from that outlook. Gotcha. Okay.
Ryan Gilbert: Noting on the call and.
Ryan Gilbert: And as it relates to the fires and weather and other events like that that is kind of in implicitly in the number that we provide which is that 50 to 70 range and so I would just continue to stick to that with what we see at this point. There is no reason to deviate from that outlook.
Ryan Gilbert: Got you.
Allan Dicks: And then how much potential do you see for international revenue to grow as a percentage of total? And then what would drive that expansion? We've seen really nice growth in each of our markets, so Canada, Australia, and Europe. The demand there in Australia and Europe is heavily influenced by our water treatment technology. The recent acquisition of Epic in Australia, which is our consulting practice, has gone really well. That is an exceptional team that continues to see really nice tailwinds in that market. So it's just traditional, steady, organic growth opportunities in each of those markets at this point, Ryan.
Ryan Gilbert: And then how much potential do you see for international revenue to grow as a percentage of total and then what would drive that expansion.
Ryan Gilbert: We've seen really nice growth in each of our markets, So Canada, Australia and Europe.
Ryan Gilbert: The demand there.
Ryan Gilbert: Australia and Europe.
Ryan Gilbert: Is heavily influenced by our water treatment technology. The recent acquisition of epic in Australia, which is our consulting practice has gone really well that is an exceptional team that continues to see really nice tailwind in that market.
Ryan Gilbert: So it's just traditional steady organic growth opportunities in each of those markets at this point Ryan.
Allan Dicks: As it relates to the growth as a percentage of total mix, we don't see too much change to that. We will remain kind of a predominantly US-based, North America-based business at this point in time.
Ryan Gilbert: As it relates to the growth as a percentage of total mix, we don't see too much change to that we will remain kind of a predominantly U S based in North America based business.
Ryan Gilbert: At this point in time, our focus this year as you know is a temporary pause or slowdown in acquisition activity and so Ed.
Allan Dicks: Our focus this year, as you know, is a temporary pause or slowdown in acquisition activity. And so everything we're talking about at this point is purely a function of organic growth and the organic growth opportunities, and we don't see much deviation from our mix in aggregate international versus domestic at this point.
Ryan Gilbert: Everything we're talking about at this point is purely a function of organic growth and the organic growth opportunities and we don't see much deviation.
Ryan Gilbert: From a mix and aggregate international versus domestic at this point.
Ryan Gilbert: Awesome, thank you. All right, I'll turn it over. Thanks Rod.
Speaker Change: Awesome. Thank you I'll turn it over.
Rod: Thanks Rod.
Speaker Change: Thank you and this concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the floor back over to Vijay might've forgot it for any closing comments.
Operator: Thank you, and this concludes our question and answer session.
Vijay Manthripragada: I would like to turn the floor back over to Vijay Manthripragada for Well, thank you all very much for your interest in Montrose and for joining us this morning. Allan and I and the team are really excited about what the next couple of quarters are going to bring, and we look forward to sharing updates with you in the very near future.
Vijay: Well. Thank you all very much for your interest in Montreal and for joining US This morning, Alan and I and the team are really excited about what the next couple of quarters are going to bring and we look forward to sharing updates with you in the very near future. Thank you and be well take care.
Vijay Manthripragada: Thank you and be well. Take care.
Speaker Change: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.
Operator: And the conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation.
Operator: You may now disconnect your lines.
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