Q3 2025 Wajax Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Thank you for attending Wajax Corporation's 2025 third quarter financial results webcast. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen-only mode.
Speaker #1: On today's webcast, we will have Ignacy Domagalski, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ms. Tania Casadinho, Chief Financial Officer. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.
Speaker #1: At this time , all lines are in . Listen only mode . Following the presentation , we will conduct a question and answer session and as a reminder , this conference is being recorded on October 4th , 2025 .
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Speaker #1: And please note that this webcast contains forward-looking statements. Actual future results may differ from expected results. I will now turn the call over to Tania Casadinho.
Speaker #2: Good afternoon, and thank you for participating in our third quarter results call. This afternoon, we will be following a webcast that includes a summary presentation of Wajax's Q3 2025 financial results.
Speaker #2: The presentation can be found on our website under Investor Relations , Events and Presentations . To begin , I would like to draw your attention to our cautionary statement regarding forward looking information on slide two and non-GAAP and other financial measures on slide three .
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide four. At this point, I'll turn the call over to IGI.
Speaker #3: Thank you Tanya . To start , I will provide highlights on our third quarter . Before turning it back to Tanya for commentary on backlog , inventory and the balance sheet , this slide provides an overview of Wajax , the corporation has 167 years of operating history and operates across 107 branches with a team of approximately 2900 employees .
Speaker #3: During the quarter, our heavy equipment categories and revenue sources made up approximately 55% of our total revenue, while industrial parts and ARS generated approximately 45%.
Speaker #3: Turning to slide five , the slide provides an overview of our purpose and values . Wajax purpose statement is empowering people to build a better tomorrow , which we strive to achieve by living our values and delivering an exceptional experience to our shareholders , customers , suppliers , our people and the communities we serve .
Speaker #3: Our purpose and values guide our decision making and allow us to execute on our strategic priorities . Turning to slide six . The slide provides an overview of our strategic priorities , which have been refined for 2025 .
Speaker #3: Management is focused on these priorities, as well as optimizing inventory, managing costs, and improving margins between our purpose and values and priorities.
Speaker #3: Management believes this will enable Wajax to generate sustainable , long term value and capitalize on future opportunities . Turning to slide seven . Wajax delivered steady performance in the third quarter of 2025 , including gross profit margin growth , higher earnings , and improved leverage revenue of $483.1 million .
Speaker #3: Increased by 2.1 million, or 0.4%, in the quarter. The increase resulted primarily from higher mining sales in Western Canada, along with increased industrial parts and ERS sales, and higher construction and forestry sales in Central Canada.
Speaker #3: These increases were offset partially by lower construction and forestry and industrial parts sales in eastern Canada. The gross profit margin of 20.8% increased by 160 basis points compared to the same period of 2020.
Speaker #3: For an increased 170 basis points from 19.1% in the second quarter of 2025, and an increase of 370 basis points from 17.1% in the fourth quarter of 2020.
Speaker #3: For the year over year increase was driven primarily by higher margins realized on product support , industrial parts and ERS sales . Given management's focus on margin improvement initiatives in these areas of the business .
Speaker #3: These increases were partially offset by reduced equipment margins due to increased market pressures. Selling and administrative expenses, as a percentage of revenue, remained flat at 14.7%.
Speaker #3: In both the third quarter of 2025 and the same period of 2024, selling and administrative expenses in the third quarter of 2025 decreased by $0.1 million compared to the third quarter of 2024.
Speaker #3: Four, due primarily to lower spending on personnel and travel and entertainment, driven by ongoing cost initiatives, offset partially by higher incentive accruals linked primarily to improved financial performance.
Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDA of $44.8 million increased by $7.4 million, or 19.7%, from the third quarter of 2024, noting the adjustments recorded on this chart.
Speaker #3: The adjusted EBITDA resulted primarily from higher gross profit margins , adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.3% in the third quarter of 2025 , improved from 8.2% in the second quarter of 2025 , and 7.8% in the first quarter of 2025 .
Speaker #3: Adjusted net earnings of $0.75 per share , increased 68.6% , or $0.31 per share , from the third quarter of 2024 . Noting the adjustments recorded on this chart at the end of Q3 , our tariff rate increase in 0.83 , a decrease of 9% from the third quarter of 2024 .
Speaker #3: The third quarter tariff rate was down 19% from the second quarter of 2025. Safety continues to be Wajax's number one priority, and management is committed to continuously improving safety programs.
Speaker #3: To improve on this result, I would like to commend everyone on our team for their ongoing dedication to workplace safety. Turning to slide eight, revenue increased by 0.4% in the third quarter, resulting from higher revenue in the western and central regions, offset partially by lower revenue in eastern Canada. Western Canada sales of $210 million increased by 0.3% in the quarter, due primarily to higher mining equipment sales, including the delivery of a large mining shovel in the third quarter of 2025.
Speaker #3: With no such delivery in the third quarter of the prior year, this increase was partially offset by lower ERS revenue and reduced equipment sales in the construction and forestry and material handling categories.
Speaker #3: Central Canada sales of $91 million increased 3.3% in the quarter, due primarily to stronger industrial parts revenue and higher equipment sales in the construction, forestry, and power systems categories.
Speaker #3: These increases were partially offset by lower material handling equipment sales. Eastern Canada sales of $181 million decreased 0.7% in the quarter, due primarily to lower equipment sales in the construction and forestry category and reduced industrial parts sales.
Speaker #3: These decreases were partially offset by higher material handling equipment sales and ERS revenue. Please turn to slide nine for an update on equipment and product support.
Speaker #3: Sales and year over year variances are shown on this page . Equipment sales of $131 million decreased 0.3 million , or 0.3% , compared to last year , due to lower sales in construction and forestry and material handling , offset partially by higher mining sales in Western Canada , driven by the delivery of a large mining shovel in the third quarter , with no such delivery in the third quarter of the prior year and product support sales of 123 million decreased 0.2 million , or 0.1% , compared to last year .
Speaker #3: Please turn to slide ten. An update on industrial parks in the sales and year-over-year variances are shown on this page.
Speaker #3: Industrial park sales of approximately $136 million were flat compared to the prior year. ERS sales of approximately 81% increased by $3 million, or 3%, due to higher sales in Central Canada.
Speaker #3: The slide summarizes that sales in the category level of heavy equipment and industrial areas decreased by $0.4 million, or 1%, due to lower sales in construction and forestry, and material handling offset.
Speaker #3: The delivery of a large project is expected in the third quarter of 2025, with no such delivery in the third quarter of the prior year. Industrial parts and ERS categories increased by $2.7 million, or 5%, driven by higher ERS sales in central and eastern Canada.
Speaker #3: I'll now turn it back over to Tania for commentary on backlog inventory.
Speaker #2: Thanks again. Please turn to slide 12. I will comment on backlog and inventory. Our Q3 backlog of $506.5 million decreased by $17.8 million compared to the backlog of $524.3 million at Q2 and decreased by $81.6 million on a year-over-year basis.
Speaker #2: The sequential decrease was due primarily to lower material handling and industrial parts orders, as well as a lower mining backlog, driven largely by the sale of a large mining shovel in the quarter, which was not in backlog.
Speaker #2: At June 30th , 2025 . These decreases were partially offset by higher construction and forestry , and ERS orders . The year over year decrease was due was due primarily to lower material handling orders and lower mining backlog , driven largely by the sale of six large mining shovels in September 30th , 2024 .
Speaker #2: These decreases were partially offset by higher ERS orders. Backlog at September 30, 2025, included four large mining shovels. Inventory increased by $3 million compared to Q2 of 2025.
Speaker #2: Ongoing inventory reduction initiatives have decreased inventory by $144.4 million from peak levels at March 31, 2020. For inventory decreased $118.4 million compared to Q3 2020.
Speaker #2: For . The year over year decline is mainly attributed to lower inventory in the construction and forestry , and industrial parks in categories .
Speaker #2: Management continues to focus on reducing and managing the corporation's inventory levels, with a focus on optimizing inventory levels and mix while matching them with business volumes and maintaining fill rates at appropriate levels.
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide 13, where I'll provide an update on cash flow, leverage, and working capital. Cash flows generated from operating activities in the current quarter were $18.5 million, compared with cash flows used in operating activities of $36.6 million in the same quarter of the prior year.
Speaker #2: The increase in cash generated of 55.1 million was mainly attributed , attributable to higher earnings and higher accounts payable and accrued liabilities . Our Q3 leverage ratio improved to 2.28 times , from 2.35 times in Q2 , due to the higher trailing 12 month pro forma adjusted EBITDA .
Speaker #2: The corporation's leverage ratio is currently outside our target range of one and a half to two times . At the end of Q3 , and management continues to work towards getting leverage back within the target range .
Speaker #2: Our available credit capacity at the end of Q3 was $215.6 million, which is sufficient to meet short-term normal course working capital and maintenance capital requirements, and fund our planned strategic initiatives.
Speaker #2: We continue to focus on working capital efficiencies , which is a key component in managing our overall leverage targets . The Q3 Working Capital efficiency was 25.4% , a slight improvement in efficiency of 30 basis points from 25.7 at June 30th , 2025 , due to lower trailing four quarter average working capital and higher trailing 12 month revenue .
Speaker #2: Inventory turns of 2.3 times are slightly higher compared to Q2 2025 , and have further improved since Q4 of 2024 . Finally , the board has approved our fourth quarter 2025 dividend of $0.35 per share , payable on January 6th , 2026 , to shareholders of record on December 15th , 2025 .
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide 14. At this point, I'll turn the call back to Iggy.
Speaker #3: Thanks , Tanya . Our outlook is summarized on this slide . During the third quarter of 2025 . Wajax delivered revenue of 483.1 million , up 2.1 million , and 0.4% , 0.4% from the third quarter of 2020 .
Speaker #3: For the year over year increase in revenue was primarily driven by higher mining equipment sales , including the delivery of a mining shovel with no comparable delivery in the prior year .
Speaker #3: This was partially offset by lower equipment sales in the construction and forestry category in Western and Eastern Canada, reflecting increased market pressures in this category.
Speaker #3: Gross profit margin increased by 2.8% from 19.2% in the same quarter of 2025, and it increased by 100 basis points from 19% in the second quarter of 2025. Additionally, it increased by three basis points from 17.1% in the fourth quarter of 2020.
Speaker #3: The improvement was driven primarily by higher margins realized, reflecting the progress against management's margin improvement initiatives. These gains were partially offset by lower equipment competitive market dynamics and administrative expenses.
Speaker #3: Represented 14.7% of revenues the prior year . Sequentially , expenses declined to 70.8 million of 2025 from 73.5 million in the second quarter of 2020 , reflecting the decline and operational efficiency as of September 30th , 2020 .
Speaker #3: The backlog stood at 506.5 million and declined 20.8 million , or 3.4% , to June 30th , 2025 , and the reduction was primarily due to lower material handling and industrial parts .
Speaker #3: Orders and the delivery of a large mining shovel during the quarter decreased. Despite this decrease, backlog remains robust and includes four large mining shovels scheduled for delivery over the next six quarters.
Speaker #3: Inventory optimization remains key focus , with total inventory of 605.7 million at 2025 , down 150 from the . Discipline and inventory management continues to support improved cash flow from operations generated in the third quarter of 20 cash used 6.6 million in the prior .
Speaker #3: The corporation improved to 2.28 times as of December 30th, 2025, from 2.35 times in June 2025. This improvement reflects a focus on debt reduction, working capital optimization, and getting the corporation's ratio back within its target range of 1.5 to 2 times.
Speaker #3: On October 24th , 2025 , the Corporation extended the maturity of its 500 million security senior secured bank facility . From October 1st , 2027 to October 24th , 2029 .
Speaker #3: This extension enhances financial flexibility in support of Wajax's long-term strategic priorities. Looking ahead to the balance of 2025, Wajax continues to see strong customer demand in the mining and energy sectors, with the former supported by a robust equipment backlog.
Speaker #3: The broader end market environment remains challenging , with macroeconomic softness and ongoing uncertainty related to Canada-U.S. trade dynamics . Also on October 15th , 2025 , Wajax announced that its Board of directors and myself have jointly agreed to initiate a CEO succession process .
Speaker #3: As part of this planned transition, I'll continue to serve as President and CEO and a director of Wajax until the conclusion of the process, ensuring continuity and a seamless handover of responsibilities to my successor.
Speaker #3: Completion of the search process is expected in the first quarter of 2026. During this period, management will remain sharply focused on Wajax's six strategic priorities and key operational areas of inventory optimization.
Speaker #3: Cost management and margin improvement. Management believes that the continued execution of these priorities and key areas of focus, supported by prudent capital allocation and a strong balance sheet, will drive sustainable value creation over the long term.
Speaker #3: Wajax remains well positioned to benefit from its diverse market exposure, discipline, growth strategy, and focus on operational excellence. I will now turn it back to the operator and open the line for questions.
Speaker #1: Okay . Thank you . Ladies and gentlemen . We will now begin the question and answer . If you're using a speaker phone , please lift the headset before pressing any of your keys .
Speaker #1: One moment please . For your first question , your first question comes from Devin Dodge Company , BMO Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Speaker #4: Thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to start with a question on gross margins. They look pretty meaningful; it's a step up from where we were the last four quarters or so.
Speaker #4: And I think we recognize that there are a lot of factors that can go into or impact a consolidated gross margin. But I'm just wondering if you could speak to the bigger components of that improvement.
Speaker #4: And just, I'm really just trying to get a sense for the sustainability of the Q3 gross margin performance as we look into Q4 and 2026.
Speaker #3: Yeah . Hi , Devin , thanks for the question . You know , we're I think we're pretty pleased with the results of our margin improvement this quarter .
Speaker #3: It was all margin improvement activities and not mix . You know , we're seeing the return on our investment . We're committed and focused to to pushing on on our margin improvement .
Speaker #3: At the same time , you know , by mix in the future and market dynamics , which are still pretty uncertain . But it's going in the right direction and it's encouraging in terms of where where we started to see some success .
Speaker #3: I would like to focus on the buckets of pricing, doing better with our freight, being better with our utilization, and also being tighter with our warranty.
Speaker #4: Okay , okay . Thanks for that . Okay . Look , I think the market outlook commentary has been unchanged or relatively unchanged for much of 2025 .
Speaker #4: But just wondering if there are parts of the business or end markets where you're feeling better now than, say, 6 to 9 months ago?
Speaker #5: Yeah .
Speaker #3: Mining and energy continues to be pretty resilient , more resilient than most . I think just generally what we're seeing out there is just continued caution from our customers .
Speaker #3: They're being very disciplined with their spending . We've talked about in previous calls that the portion of our ERS business has really , really subsided over the over the last number of quarters as a company doing only really what they need to do and I think even more recently , we're starting even tighter on the maintenance , repair and operation portion of their spend as well .
Speaker #3: So they're just customers are being tight . Projects are being delayed , and they're being being very cautious . And then specific sectors that are affected .
Speaker #3: Automotive . We have small exposure to automotive , but you know , in our in our industrial parts business , we're seeing a bit there skills with , with the with the targeted tariffs on steel and a lot of slowdowns and shutdowns .
Speaker #3: So so we feel we feel positive and then forestry to on the kind of there's across the country that we've seen . So those are a little bit slower .
Speaker #3: And that ultimately impacts the upstream equipment sales . But we think most of the most of the pain in forestry is probably over .
Speaker #3: So, we hope to see that on the way out. So, yeah, that's a view on how we're seeing some of those markets.
Speaker #3: But for sure, mining and energy are the ones that seem to be remaining resilient, at least for the products and services that we offer.
Speaker #4: Okay, thanks for that. I'll turn it over.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks, Evan.
Speaker #1: Okay. Our next question comes from Patrick Sullivan from TD Cohen. Go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hey , Patrick .
Speaker #5: Thank you . Good afternoon everyone . I think just more on the the margin stuff . So I think the rough guidance around SG&A as a percentage of revenue in the past has been about 14.5 to 15.5% on a full year basis .
Speaker #5: And , you know , knowing that there can be some volatility in that quarter to quarter . But the company's been near the low end of that or below that mark for about six quarters now , I guess has the company determined it's it's comfortable operating at a little bit leaner in that in that respect .
Speaker #2: Hello. Yeah, I think we continue to be quite satisfied with what we're doing from a cost optimization perspective and where we are operating.
Speaker #2: Obviously, the percentage is a function of revenue for the full year. We are comfortable within that range, and we're down one hundredths on a year-to-date basis.
Speaker #2: And feel that the lower end of the range feels right at this point in time. Again, depending on volumes.
Speaker #5: Okay . Understood . Thank you . And then I guess more on kind of the IP ers business . Would you say you're kind of operating at baseline levels right now and customers are still waiting for that clarity ?
Speaker #5: I guess if there are those businesses staffed up, if there were to be kind of an inflection and a return to demand, would you be comfortable taking on more work in that area?
Speaker #3: Yeah . Good question . I mean , it feels like our customers have pulled back about as much as they can , and especially the ones that are affected in the named tariffs .
Speaker #3: They're they're they're spending as little as possible . And and eventually you can't do that forever . So , so it does it does feel to us that generally we're at the we're at the kind of the least amount of spending that those existing customers can do with us .
Speaker #3: And so, when that does turn around, which inevitably it has to because people need to maintain their facilities in a more meaningful way than we feel that we're appropriately staffed to be able to take on that volume.
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. Thanks. I'll get back in queue.
Speaker #3: Thanks , Patrick .
Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Jonathan Goldman from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hey , good afternoon .
Speaker #3: Hey , Jonathan .
Speaker #6: Good afternoon, guys. Nice results. Maybe just digging into a couple of housekeeping items to start. Could you remind us if there's any seasonality to margins, particularly in the product support?
Speaker #6: Industrial parts and ERS businesses.
Speaker #3: No , I wouldn't say that . There's seasonality and margins . There's a bit of seasonality in volume for our various categories , which is , you know , each category has its own annual cycle , but not with margins .
Speaker #6: They understood. And then the outlook, you provided some comments earlier; you talked about still strong demand in energy and mining in the disclosures.
Speaker #6: But maybe you can talk about what you're seeing , particularly in construction . And if you could parse out maybe by region , if there's any divergences there , and if there's any differences between residential non-res or infrastructure construction spending .
Speaker #3: Yeah . So we our business focuses more on kind of industrial and commercial . We don't do a lot of people . And those markets are they're cautious , I think I think as in our , our iPad business , customers are just delaying spend .
Speaker #3: If they can . And so we're seeing that across the board . We're also seeing we're also seeing pretty strong competition . Feels like we're back to pre-COVID levels .
Speaker #3: Everyone's got , you know , lots that are full of inventory and and and are competing pretty hard to to get the business because they don't want their equipment to go stale .
Speaker #3: So yeah , it's it's a challenging market out there . All the manufacturers , including our big manufacturer Hitachi of stuffed up with quite attractive financing programs .
Speaker #3: So , so we're so we work with Hitachi on that and we feel pretty good about that . And yeah , there's a there isn't any specific regional commentary that I could give that would that would add any more color .
Speaker #3: There .
Speaker #6: Okay . I appreciate that . And maybe one more for me on the working capital , how should we think about the level of investment , I guess , to the balance of the year ?
Speaker #6: And as we go into 26 , I guess , is there more work to be done there in terms of efficiencies and what sort of kind of level of working capital efficiency do you think you could get to longer term ?
Speaker #2: Very specific questions, but I'll try to answer it as best as I can. I think, from a working capital perspective, we continue to focus on our optimization efforts around inventory.
Speaker #2: Again , we we have seen a pretty significant decline from peak balances and do believe that we have some further room for optimization , and we'll continue to to look at that as a reminder , we do have different types of inventory that move at different speeds or turns , and we're looking through through all , all , all various types and have targets for different types .
Speaker #2: So it's hard to quantify what that might look like. But we do. We are continuing to look for optimization opportunities within the inventory.
Speaker #6: Okay. Makes sense. Thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #3: Okay, thanks, Jonathan.
Speaker #1: And our final question comes from Maksim Sychev, National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hi . Good afternoon . Hi . Hi there . I was wondering if it's possible to get a bit more color around the mining shovels .
Speaker #7: I mean, obviously you have a number of them in the inventory right now, but how should we think about maybe more of a sort of a medium-term replacement cycle?
Speaker #7: Do you think once you sort of deliver those , like , is there a bit of a thrust or is there pipeline of opportunity that you think is still , still , still visible ?
Speaker #7: Thanks. Sorry, I cannot really hear anything.
Speaker #3: Can you hear me now, Max?
Speaker #7: Yeah , yeah , it's a bit better . So sorry . I'm not sure if it's me who's cutting out or . Yeah , but .
Speaker #7: But please go ahead. I apologize, okay?
Speaker #3: So I'll just comment on what we have in backlog . First . So we've got four large shovels in backlog right now . Two of them will be delivered in the fourth quarter of this year .
Speaker #3: And then one will be delivered in the first half of 2026, and another one to be delivered in 2027. So that's the current backlog.
Speaker #3: I would say generally mining activity is very strong right now. Quoting activity is very strong right now. We continue to call out mining as a bright spot.
Speaker #3: You know , commodity prices are good , especially gold . And so we're seeing a lot of activity . We you know , we're hoping to sell a whole bunch more shovels , but you never know until you actually get the order .
Speaker #3: But we do see robust quoting activity across oil sands, across gold, really across all commodities and all geographies in Canada.
Speaker #7: Okay . That's super helpful because , I mean , the split right now for the four shovels , is it all oil sands or is it split between oil sands and gold ?
Speaker #3: The foreign backlog would all be oil sands.
Speaker #7: Okay okay . So theoretically , given where gold is , yeah , there's definitely a bit more of an opportunity there that that makes sense .
Speaker #7: And then , you know , as I think the government will be rolling out , it's new budget and there are some conversation around , you know , potential accelerated depreciation .
Speaker #7: Do you think that could be potentially the kicker for IP and ERS business in terms of providing a bit of an uplift or I mean , how material could could that be from from your perspective ?
Speaker #3: I mean , accounting policies is always a tricky one . And , and I don't know how much that will that will drive the business .
Speaker #3: I hope it gives it a little bit of a bump , but just in general , if , if I haven't seen what what it looks like yet , but there's a lot of commentary that there going to be a lot of nation building build Canada strong , those kind of words and when , when Canada is building pipelines or large infrastructure or ports or ships , we tend to do well on those .
Speaker #3: So for pipelines , we have a whole suite of equipment from electrical and valves that , that , that plug right into those .
Speaker #3: And , and we usually do well when those happen , for infrastructure . You know our excavators and wheel loaders tend to be used when , when it , when it's ports .
Speaker #3: We have a whole bunch of equipment that goes in there . And then when there's when there's large ships being built quite often will be the engine manufacturer or the distributor of a of a of the preferred engines .
Speaker #3: So , so if there's more of those types of projects happening , then , then we'd definitely be the benefactor of some of that work .
Speaker #7: Okay , no , that makes a huge amount of sense . Thank you . And then maybe last question . Obviously I'm not sure if we're going to be able to speak on on the next call .
Speaker #7: Depending on the sort of, you know, the search, but do you mind providing a little bit of color in terms of what the board is looking for when it comes to the succession?
Speaker #7: And obviously , you know , all the best in future endeavors , whatever that may be . You .
Speaker #3: Yeah . Thanks very much , Max . So I think the in a new CEO , we're the board is looking for someone who will continue to accelerate growth and and capitalize all the opportunities that are , that are showing up in our country , of which I and then I think they want somebody who will continue driving growth , continue our strategy of driving efficiency in our operating model .
Speaker #3: So, those are some of the highlights and characteristics that I think they're looking for.
Speaker #7: Okay, okay. That's great. Thank you so much. That's it for me.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks, Max.
Speaker #1: If there are any further questions at this time, please press one. It seems that there are no further questions at this time.
Speaker #1: I will now turn the call over to Ignacy Domagalski. Please continue.
Speaker #3: Thank you . Operator . Thank you , everyone for your attention , and thank you for your continued interest in Wajax . Have a great day .