Q1 2025 JELD-WEN Holding Inc Earnings Call

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James Armstrong: I would now like to turn the call over to James Armstrong, Investor Relations. You may begin.

Speaker Change: I would now like to turn the call over to James Armstrong Investor Relations you may begin.

James Armstrong: Thank you and good morning. We issued our first quarter 2025 earnings release last night and posted a slide presentation to the investor relations portion of our website, which can be found at investors.jeldwen.com. We will be referencing this presentation during our call.

James Armstrong: Thank you and good morning, we issued our first quarter 2025 earnings release last night and posted a slide presentation to the Investor relations portion of our website, which can be found at investors Dot <unk> dot com.

Speaker Change: We will be referencing this presentation during our call.

James Armstrong: Today, I am joined by Bill Christensen, Chief Executive Officer, and Samantha Stoddard, Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn it over to Bill, I would like to remind everyone that during this call, we will make certain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our earnings release and provided in our Forms 10-K and 10-Q filed with the SEC.

Speaker Change: Today I am joined by Bill Christiansen, Chief Executive Officer, and Samantha Stoddard, Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker Change: Before I turn it over to Bill I would like to remind everyone that during this call. We will make certain statements that constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of $19 95. These statements are subject to a variety of risks uncertainties, including those set forth in our earnings release and provided in our forms 10-K.

Speaker Change: And 10-Q filed with the SEC.

Jeld-Wen does not undertake any duty to update forward-looking statements, including the guidance we are providing with respect to certain expectations for future results. Additionally, during today's call, we will discuss non-GAP measures which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance. The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable financial measures calculated under GAAP can be found in our earnings release and in the appendix of our earnings presentation.

Speaker Change: Children does not undertake any duty to update forward looking statements, including the guidance, we are providing with respect to certain expectations for future results.

Speaker Change: Additionally, during today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance.

Speaker Change: The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP.

Speaker Change: A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to most directly comparable financial measures calculated under GAAP can be found in our earnings release and in the appendix of our earnings presentation.

William Christensen: With that, I would like to now turn the call over to Bill. Thank you, James, and good morning, everyone.

Bill Christiansen: With that I would like to now turn the call over to Bill.

Bill Christiansen: Thank you James and good morning, everyone.

William Christensen: Before we begin, I want to take a moment to express my sincere appreciation to our employees Your continued dedication, adaptability, and focus have been essential to the progress of our transformation. enabling us to consistently deliver for our customers. even in the face of significant market challenges.

Bill Christiansen: Before we begin I want to take a moment to express my sincere appreciation to our employees.

Bill Christiansen: Continued dedication adaptability and focus.

Bill Christiansen: Been essential to the progress of our transformation.

Bill Christiansen: Enabling us to consistently deliver for our customers.

Bill Christiansen: Even in the face of significant market challenges.

William Christensen: I also want to thank our customers for their ongoing trust and collaboration as we jointly navigate this highly dynamic market environment. The strength of these partnerships is critical to our long-term success. And we remain fully committed to providing the exceptional quality, dependable service, and product reliability that you have come to expect from Jeld-Wen.

Bill Christiansen: I also want to thank our customers for their ongoing trust and collaboration as we jointly navigate this highly dynamic market environment.

Bill Christiansen: The strength of these partnerships is critical to our long term success.

Bill Christiansen: And we remain fully committed to providing the exceptional quality depend.

Bill Christiansen: Dependable service.

Bill Christiansen: And product reliability that you have come to expect from javelin.

William Christensen: Today, I'll start by providing a high-level overview of the quarter.

Bill Christiansen: Today, I'll start by providing a high level overview of the quarter.

Samantha Stoddard: after which Samantha will discuss our detailed financial performance. and outline the impacts of the evolving tariff situation.

Speaker Change: After which the Manta will discuss our detailed financial performance and outline the impacts of the evolving tariff situation.

Following Samantha's remarks, I'll return to offer further insights into current market dynamics and our approach to managing Turning to slide four and our first quarter highlight. The soft demand environment and corresponding adjusted EBITDA performance we anticipated during our previous earnings call largely materialized as expected. volume pressures intensified notably during the quarter. with both our North America and Europe segments experiencing double-digit volume decline. Further complicating this landscape, terrorists have introduced additional planning uncertainty into our market outlook.

Bill Christiansen: Following <unk> remarks.

Bill Christiansen: I'll return to offer further insight into current market dynamics and our approach to managing them.

Bill Christiansen: Turning to slide four and our first quarter highlights.

Bill Christiansen: The soft demand environment and corresponding adjusted EBITDA performance, we anticipated during our previous earnings call largely materialized as expected.

Bill Christiansen: Volume pressures intensified, notably during the quarter.

Bill Christiansen: With both our North America, and Europe segments experiencing double digit volume declines.

Bill Christiansen: Further complicating this landscape.

Bill Christiansen: Paris have introduced additional planning uncertainty into our market outlook.

As a result of this significant short-term volatility, we are withdrawing our full-year guide. Despite these challenges, we remain focused on controlling factors within our direct influence. We continue to successfully advance our transformation project. achieving important milestones and operational improvements as well as safety.

Bill Christiansen: As a result of this significant short term volatility we are withdrawing our full year guidance.

Bill Christiansen: Despite these challenges we remain focused on controlling factors within our direct influence.

Bill Christiansen: We continue to successfully advance our transformation projects.

Bill Christiansen: Achieving important milestones and operational improvements as well as safety.

We also announced two additional network changes since the beginning of this year in Grinnell, Iowa and Chiloquin, Oregon.

Bill Christiansen: We also announced two additional network changes since the beginning of this year in Grinnell, Iowa, and Chiller Quinn, Oregon.

Samantha Stoddard: However, as Samantha will detail shortly.

However, as Samantha will detail shortly. Even with recent reductions in headcount, we have faced ongoing productivity headwinds as costs have not decreased at the pace required to fully offset the lower demand levels experienced in the first quarter. To address this gap, we are taking steps to align our operations with current order rates while actively pursuing additional opportunities to strengthen our partnerships with key customers in support of focused growth initiatives.

Bill Christiansen: Even with recent reductions in head count we.

Bill Christiansen: We have faced ongoing productivity headwinds as costs have not decreased at the pace required to fully offset the lower demand levels experienced in the first quarter.

Bill Christiansen: To address this gap, we are taking steps to align our operations with current order rates, while actively pursuing additional opportunities to strengthen our partnerships with key customers and support our focused growth initiatives.

Samantha Stoddard: With that, I'll hand it over to Samantha to review our financial results in greater detail. Thank you, Bill.

Bill Christiansen: With that I'll hand, it over to Samantha to review our financial results in greater detail.

Samantha Stoddard: Thank you Bill.

Samantha Stoddard: Turning to slide six, as Bill noted, the first quarter was indeed challenging. However, our results were largely in line with our prior expectations. Revenue for the first quarter was $776 million, representing a 19% decline year-over-year. Of this decline, approximately 15% was due to lower core revenues, reflecting anticipated volume reductions across both our North America and Europe segments. The remaining 4% primarily resulted from the court-ordered divestiture of our Tawanda operations, which also negatively impacted our year-over-year comparison. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter came in at $22 million, a decrease of $47 million compared to the prior year.

Samantha Stoddard: Turning to slide six as Bill noted the first quarter was indeed challenging however, our results were largely in line with our prior expectations revenue for the first quarter with $776 million.

Samantha Stoddard: Representing a 19% decline year over year.

Samantha Stoddard: Of this decline approximately 15% was due to lower core revenues, reflecting anticipated volume reductions across both our North America and Europe segment.

Samantha Stoddard: The remaining 4% primarily resulted from the court order divestiture of our to Wanda operations, which also negatively impacted our year over year comparisons.

Samantha Stoddard: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter came in at $22 million decrease of $47 million compared to the prior year.

Samantha Stoddard: This was mainly driven by significantly lower volumes and slightly unfavorable mix, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 2.8%. Turning to cash flow, free cash flow was a use of $125 million in the first quarter, including $42 million in capital investment. This compares to a $46 million use of cash in the first quarter of 2024. The year-over-year decline was primarily driven by lower EBITDA, combined with unfavorable working capital dynamics. Specifically, working capital was a $30 million use of cash this quarter, compared to a contribution of $22 million in the first quarter of 2024.

Samantha Stoddard: This was mainly driven by significantly lower volumes and slightly unfavorable mix, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of two 8%.

Samantha Stoddard: Turning to cash flow free cash flow was a use of $125 million in the first quarter.

Samantha Stoddard: Including $42 million in capital investments this.

Samantha Stoddard: This compares to a $46 million use of cash in the first quarter of 2024.

Samantha Stoddard: The year over year decline was primarily driven by lower EBITDA combined with unfavorable working capital dynamics.

Samantha Stoddard: Pacifically working capital was a 30 million dollar use of cash this quarter compared to a contribution of $22 million in the first quarter of 2024.

Samantha Stoddard: primarily related to the timing of accounts receivable last year. Additionally, in the first quarter, we received approximately $110 million of net proceeds from the court-ordered divestiture of our Tawanda facility. Given the pressure from lower EBITDA and continued investment in our transformation initiatives, our net debt leverage ratio increased to 4.6 times. This level of leverage exceeds our targeted range of two to two and a half times and reducing leverage remains one of my highest priorities. To accomplish this, we remain intensely focused on driving EBITDA improvement, exercising disciplined capital allocation, and carefully managing working capital as we progress through 2025 and beyond.

Samantha Stoddard: Primarily related to the timing of accounts receivable last year.

Samantha Stoddard: Additionally, in the first quarter, we received approximately $110 million of net proceeds from the court order divestiture of our Tijuana facility.

Samantha Stoddard: Given the pressure from lower EBITDA and continued investment in our transformation initiatives, our net debt leverage ratio increased to four six times.

Samantha Stoddard: This level of leverage exceeds our targeted range of two to two five times and reducing leverage remains one of my highest priorities.

Samantha Stoddard: To accomplish this we remain intensely focused on driving EBITDA improvement exercising.

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Samantha Stoddard: As shown on slide 7, the first quarter revenue decline was primarily driven by a 16 percent decrease in volume and mix, about half which was due to the carryover of the loss of business at the Midwest Retailer and the court-ordered divestiture of Tawanda. with the other half associated with ongoing market decline. While product mix had a more pronounced impact in prior quarters, it has now largely stabilized, and the current revenue pressure is predominantly related to continued weakness in volume. Additionally, revenue was negatively impacted by the divestiture of our Tawanda operations, as well as the modest headwinds from unfavorable foreign currency translation associated with the Canadian dollar.

Samantha Stoddard: As shown on slide seven the first quarter revenue decline was primarily driven by a 16% decrease in volume and mix about half, which was due to the carryover of the loss of business at the Midwest retailer and the court order divestiture to Wanda.

Samantha Stoddard: With the other half associated with ongoing market declines.

Samantha Stoddard: While product mix had a more pronounced impact in prior quarters. It has now largely stabilized in the current revenue pressure is predominantly related to continued weakness in volumes.

Samantha Stoddard: Additionally, revenue was negatively impacted by the divestiture of our to Wanda operations as well as the modest headwinds from unfavorable foreign currency translation associated with the Canadian dollar.

Samantha Stoddard: In a few moments, I'll provide additional context and more detailed insights into the underlying market trends affecting our North America and Europe segment. As shown on slide 8, adjusted EBITDA declined by $47 million year-over-year, primarily reflecting the significant volume declines experienced during the quarter. As anticipated, we continue to face notable cost pressures from labor and material inflation, resulting in negative price-cost dynamics.

Samantha Stoddard: In a few moments I'll provide additional context and more detailed insights into the underlying market trends affecting our North America and Europe segment.

Samantha Stoddard: As shown on slide eight adjusted EBITDA declined by $47 million year over year, primarily reflecting the significant volume declines experienced during the quarter.

Samantha Stoddard: As anticipated we continued to face notable cost pressures from labor and material inflation, resulting in negative price cost dynamics.

Samantha Stoddard: Additionally, the lower volume levels created operational inefficiencies across our manufacturing network. further weighing on overall productivity and EBITDA performance.

Samantha Stoddard: Additionally, the lower volume levels created operational inefficiencies across our manufacturing network.

They're weighing on overall productivity and EBITDA performance.

Samantha Stoddard: Moving to our segment results on slide nine. Our North America segment reported revenue of $531 million for the first quarter. representing a 22% decline compared to the prior year. Of this, core revenues decreased by 17%, primarily driven by lower volume. Unlike last year, when product mix significantly impacted results, first quarter's decline was predominantly driven by volume reduction. Adjusted EBITDA for North America declined to $16 million, compared to $61 million in the same quarter last year. This decrease reflects the negative impacts of lower volume. Slightly unfavorable price-cost dynamic. and Productivity Challenges Resulting from the Reduced Manufacturing Throughput.

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Samantha Stoddard: Our North America segment reported revenue of $531 million for the first quarter representing.

Samantha Stoddard: Representing a 22% decline compared to the prior year.

Samantha Stoddard: Of this core revenues decreased by 17%, primarily driven by lower volume.

Samantha Stoddard: Unlike last year when product mix significantly impacted results first quarter's decline was predominantly driven by volume reductions.

Samantha Stoddard: Adjusted EBITDA for North America declined to $16 million compared to $61 million in the same quarter last year.

This decrease reflects the negative impact of lower volume.

Samantha Stoddard: Slightly unfavorable price cost dynamics and.

Samantha Stoddard: And productivity challenges, resulting from the reduced manufacturing throughput.

Samantha Stoddard: In Europe, revenue for the first quarter was $245 million, down 12% year over year, driven almost entirely by lower volume. Adjusted EBITDA was $11 million, a decline of $4 million from the prior year, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 4.3%. While we achieved productivity improvements in the region, they only partially offset the adverse impacts from reduced volume and modestly negative price-cost pressure.

Samantha Stoddard: In Europe revenue for the first quarter was $245 million.

Samantha Stoddard: Down 12% year over year, driven almost entirely by lower volume.

Samantha Stoddard: Adjusted EBITDA was $11 million, a decline of $4 million from the prior year, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of four 3%.

Samantha Stoddard: While we achieved productivity improvements in the region. They only partially offset the adverse impacts from reduced volume and modestly negative price cost pressures.

Samantha Stoddard: Before I hand it back to Bill, I'd like to briefly address a topic we know is top of mind for many investors, tariffs. Turning to slide 10, we provide a detailed breakdown of our estimated tariff exposure by country based on current tariff rates. At today's tariff levels, we anticipate an annualized impact of approximately $55 million, with roughly $30 million of this amount expected to affect our 2025 results. Importantly, we expect to offset these tariff costs by passing them through to our customers, though we anticipate minor timing-related impacts in the second quarter. As illustrated in the graphs, we remain relatively well positioned with regard to direct material costs, with only 13% of our Tier 1 and Tier 2 supplier spend currently exposed to potential tariff.

Samantha Stoddard: Before I hand, it back to Bill I'd like to briefly address the topic. We know is top of mind for many investors.

Samantha Stoddard: Paris.

Samantha Stoddard: Turning to slide 10, we provide a detailed breakdown of our estimated tariff exposure by country based on current tariff rates.

Samantha Stoddard: At today's tariff levels, we anticipate an annualized impact of approximately $55 million with roughly $30 million of this amount expected to affect our 2025 results.

Samantha Stoddard: Importantly, we expect to offset these tariff costs by passing them through to our customers, though we anticipate minor timing related impacts in the second quarter.

Samantha Stoddard: As illustrated in the graph, we remain relatively well positioned with regard to direct material cost with only 13% of our tier one and tier two supplier spend currently exposed to potential tariffs.

Additionally, direct material sourcing from China represents less than 1% of our total material spend, though total exposure, including our Tier 2 suppliers, is closer to 5%. We believe our limited direct exposure provides us a relative advantage in the near-term. However, should tariff levels stabilize, we expect significant activity in our sector to optimize supply chains and adapt to the new market dynamics. But this will not happen overnight. That said, this remains a highly fluid and evolving situation. we remain focused on planning proactively and maintaining flexibility. Again, we anticipate recovering the majority of tariff-related costs, however, the demand implications are unpredictable given the unprecedented nature of this situation.

Samantha Stoddard: Additionally, direct material sourcing from China represents less than 1% of our total material spend the total.

Samantha Stoddard: <unk>, including our tier two suppliers is closer to 5%.

Samantha Stoddard: We believe our limited direct exposure provides us a relative advantage in the near term however.

Samantha Stoddard: However, should tariff levels stabilize we expect significant activity in our sector to optimize supply chains and adapt to the new market dynamics, but this will not happen overnight.

Samantha Stoddard: That said this remains a highly fluid and evolving situation.

Samantha Stoddard: We remain focused on planning proactively and maintaining flexibility.

Samantha Stoddard: Again, we anticipate recovering the majority of tariff related costs. However, the demand implications are unpredictable given the unprecedented nature of this situation.

William Christensen: With that, I'll turn it back over to Bill, who will now provide further details on our updated market outlook. Thanks, Samantha. We are currently navigating an exceptionally challenging macroeconomic environment. Interest rates remain elevated. Consumer confidence has declined to levels comparable only to those seen during the pandemic and the early 1980s. Affordability remains a key topic.

Samantha Stoddard: With that I'll turn it back over to Bill who will now provide further details on our updated market outlook.

Bill Christiansen: Thanks, Tim matter.

Bill Christiansen: We are currently navigating an exceptionally challenging macroeconomic environment.

Bill Christiansen: Interest rates remain elevated.

Bill Christiansen: Consumer confidence has declined to levels comparable only to those seen during the pandemic and the early 19 eighties.

Bill Christiansen: Affordability remains a key topic.

new home builder traffic did not experience the typical seasonal spring increase And many economists now estimate that the likelihood of a global recession is approximately 50%. These conditions have already begun to weigh heavily on new home construction. and continue to put further pressure on repair and remodel activities.

Bill Christiansen: New homebuilder traffic did not experience the typical seasonal spring increase.

Bill Christiansen: Many economists now estimate that the likelihood of a global recession is approximately 50%.

Bill Christiansen: These conditions have already begun to weigh heavily on new home construction and.

Bill Christiansen: And continue to put further pressure on repair and remodel activity.

William Christensen: Despite these significant headwinds, We remain focused on controlling the factors we can control, as outlined on slide 12. First, we are actively enhancing our production capabilities to improve both quality and lead time. at our Kissimmee, Florida facility, for example, which was impacted by volume shifts related to our network consolidation as a receiving site. We recently completed a focused 10-week sprint. This sprint resulted in substantial improvements in both product quality and our on-time, in-full performance metrics. While there is still room for further improvement, the facility is on track to meet our targeted goals this quarter. We are adapting swiftly to meet the involving needs of new home builders.

Bill Christiansen: Despite these significant headwinds.

Bill Christiansen: We remain focused on controlling the factors, we can control as outlined on slide 12.

Bill Christiansen: First we are actively enhancing our production capabilities to improve both quality and lead times.

Bill Christiansen: At our Kasumi, Florida facility for example, which was impacted by volume shifts related to our network consolidation as the receiving site.

Bill Christiansen: We recently completed a focused 10 week sprint.

Bill Christiansen: This spread resulted in substantial improvements in both product quality and our on time in full performance metrics.

Bill Christiansen: While there is still room for further improvement the facility is on track to meet our targeted goals this quarter.

Bill Christiansen: Second.

Bill Christiansen: We are adapting swiftly to meet the evolving needs of new homebuilders.

William Christensen: Given ongoing affordability concerns, we are collaborating closely with select builders to help reduce their total costs and enhance their service experience. These targeted efforts have already enabled us to secure meaningful new business. placing us ahead of our internal plan for the first quarter of this year. Nevertheless, we see further opportunities to increase our relatively low market share among new builders.

Bill Christiansen: Given ongoing affordability concerns we are collaborating closely with select builders to help reduce their total costs and enhance their service experience.

Bill Christiansen: These targeted efforts have already enabled us to secure meaningful new business.

Bill Christiansen: Racing is ahead of our internal plan for the first quarter of this year.

Bill Christiansen: Nevertheless, we see further opportunities to increase our relatively low market share among new builders.

William Christensen: Finally, we have made difficult but necessary decisions to significantly reduce headcount during the quarter. By consolidating workflows and further optimizing staffing levels, we continue to adapt our workforce to the realities of our current business environment. However, additional efforts are required, particularly regarding direct labor, and we are moving rapidly to address these productivity challenges.

Bill Christiansen: Finally.

Bill Christiansen: We have made difficult, but necessary decisions to significantly reduced head count during the quarter.

Bill Christiansen: By consolidating workflows and further optimizing staffing levels, we continue to adapt our workforce to the realities of our current business environment.

Bill Christiansen: However, additional efforts are required.

Bill Christiansen: Particularly regarding direct labor and we are moving rapidly to address these productivity challenges.

William Christensen: Turning to slide 13. Despite the decisive actions we continue to take as a company, market uncertainty has recently increased significantly. As we see it, the broad range of outcomes in the economy yields a wide distribution of potential outcomes for building products as well as our business.

Bill Christiansen: Turning to slide 13.

Bill Christiansen: Despite the decisive actions, we continue to take as a company market uncertainty has recently increased significantly.

Bill Christiansen: As we see it the broad range of outcomes in the economy yields a wide distribution of potential outcomes for building products as well as our business.

William Christensen: That being said, we do want to provide some clarity around their term expectations and anticipate that our second quarter adjusted EBITDA will be slightly above first quarter level. Although we continue to experience softer-than-expected demand in our North America operations across both new construction and the repair and remodel segments, our cost reduction initiatives are rapidly taking effect and helping offset some of this pressure. We remain focused on cash flow maintenance and generation in light of the increased probability of a potential recession. We continue to fully commit to the transformation journey and have taken significant cost out of the business.

Bill Christiansen: That being said.

Bill Christiansen: We do want to provide some clarity around near term expectations and anticipate that our second quarter adjusted EBITDA will be slightly above first quarter levels.

Bill Christiansen: Although we continued to experience softer than expected demand in our North America operations across both new construction and the repair and remodel segments. Our cost reduction initiatives are rapidly taking effect in helping offset some of this pressure.

Bill Christiansen: We remain focused on cash flow maintenance and generation in light of the increased probability of a potential recession.

Bill Christiansen: We continue to fully commit to the transformation journey and have taken significant cost out of the business.

William Christensen: We believe this will both position us well for the future and allow us to weather any coming turbulence this year. In addition, we expect our transformation initiatives this year to achieve approximately $100 million in ongoing transformation benefits and $50 million of additional benefits from short-term action. With about 40% of the total benefits realized in the first half of the year, and the remaining 60% in the second.

Bill Christiansen: We believe this will both position us well for the future and allow us to weather any coming turbulence this year.

Bill Christiansen: In addition, we expect our transformation initiatives this year to achieve approximately 100 million in ongoing transformation benefits and $50 million of additional benefits from short term actions.

Bill Christiansen: With about 40% of the total benefits realized in the first half of the year and the remaining 60% in the second half.

William Christensen: Consistent with our strategic plan, we still anticipate investing approximately $150 million in capital expenditures this year as we continue to further strengthen the business and position us effectively for the future. Despite the ongoing market turbulence, we are executing diligently on the next phase of our strategic plan, positioning Jeld-Wen effectively for long-term success.

Bill Christiansen: Consistent with our strategic plan we.

Bill Christiansen: We still anticipate investing approximately $150 million in capital expenditures. This year as we continue to further strengthen the business and position us effectively for the future.

Bill Christiansen: Despite the ongoing market turbulence, we are executing diligently on the next phase of our strategic plan positioning gelled when effectively for long term success.

William Christensen: Turning to slide 14, I would like to reiterate our three key strategic priorities. First, we continue to re-establish strong partnerships with our customers. We are actively enhancing our service levels across all parts of our business, reducing lead times and doing so safely. demonstrated by meaningful year-over-year improvements in our safety measures. By consistently emphasizing safety, quality, and on-time delivery and linking variable compensation to these critical metrics, we are increasingly able to deliver precisely what customers expect, the right product with the right quality on time and in full.

Bill Christiansen: Turning to slide 14.

Bill Christiansen: I'd like to reiterate our three key strategic priorities.

Bill Christiansen: First we continue to reestablish strong partnerships with our customers.

Bill Christiansen: We are actively enhancing our service levels across all parts of our business, reducing lead times and doing so safely.

Bill Christiansen: Demonstrated by meaningful year over year improvements in our safety metrics.

Bill Christiansen: By consistently emphasizing safety quality and on time delivery and linking variable compensation to these critical metrics, we are increasingly able to deliver precisely what customers expect the right product with the right quality on time and in full.

Bill Christiansen: Second we are optimizing our manufacturing and distribution network.

William Christensen: Second, we are optimizing our manufacturing and distribution network. The recent market challenges underscore that we still have excess capacity with too many facilities operating below optimal utilization level. We are taking a disciplined and strategic approach to realigning our long-term operational footprint. carefully balancing the right level of capacity with the need to minimize disruption and improve customer service.

Bill Christiansen: The recent market challenges underscore that we still have excess capacity.

Bill Christiansen: With too many facilities operating below optimal utilization levels.

Bill Christiansen: We are taking a disciplined and strategic approach to realigning our long term operational footprint.

Bill Christiansen: Carefully balancing the right level of capacity with the need to minimize disruption and improved customer service.

William Christensen: Finally, we are continuing to invest in automation to drive efficiency and reduce costs. As we have noted previously, historical underinvestment has resulted in a fragmented and inefficient network. We remain committed to investing in automation and process improvements to enhance productivity, reduce complexity, and strengthen our competitive position.

Bill Christiansen: Finally, we are continuing to invest in automation to drive efficiency and reduce costs.

Bill Christiansen: As we have noted previously historical Underinvestment has resulted in a fragmented and inefficient network.

Bill Christiansen: We remain committed to investing in automation and process improvements.

Bill Christiansen: To enhance productivity reduced complexity and strengthen our competitive position.

William Christensen: Entering 2025, we anticipated challenging market conditions. However, the magnitude of disruption we are currently experiencing in global markets and its potential impact on consumer demand for doors and windows has exceeded our initial expectations. In response, we are focused on measures to adapt quickly to these market realities while still maintaining our commitment to the long-term improvement of Jeld-Wen's financial performance.

Bill Christiansen: Entering 2025, we anticipated challenging market conditions. However, the magnitude of disruption. We are currently experiencing global markets and its potential impact on consumer demand for doors and windows has exceeded our initial expectations.

Bill Christiansen: In response, we are focused on measures to adapt quickly to these market realities, while still maintaining our commitment to the long term improvement of <unk> financial performance.

William Christensen: I remain incredibly proud of our team's dedication and hard work. We continue investing in the right systems, processes, and people to drive sustainable long-term value creation. I'm confident in our team's ability to navigate the current challenges effectively, and I firmly believe we will be well positioned once markets stabilize and return to growth.

Bill Christiansen: I remain incredibly proud of our team's dedication and hard work.

Bill Christiansen: We continue investing in the right systems processes and people to drive sustainable long term value creation.

Bill Christiansen: I am confident in our team's ability to navigate the current challenges effectively and I firmly believe we will be well positioned once markets stabilize and return to growth.

James Armstrong: Thank you once again for your continued support and interest. With that, I'll now turn the call back over to James for the Q&A.

Bill Christiansen: Thank you once again for your continued support and interest.

James Armstrong: With that I'll now turn the call back over to James for the Q&A.

Thanks, Bill.

James Armstrong: Thanks, Bill operator, we are now ready to begin Q&A.

Operator, we are now ready to begin Q&A. At this time, I'd like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star as in the number one on your telephone keypad. Please limit to one question and one follow-up question.

Speaker Change: At this time I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question Press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Please limit to one question and one follow up question. Our first question comes from the line of John Lovallo with UBS. Your line is open.

John Lovallo: Our first question comes from the line of John Lovallo with UBS. Your line is open.

John Lovallo: Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one is, you know, how confident are you in your ability to pass along the $30 million in 2020— sorry, in 2025 tariff impact to your customers? I mean, price-cost is flat to negative across your business pre-tariff. Customers are obviously large and growing. So I'm curious, your ability to pass it along, and are there any other initiatives that you're taking in terms of mitigation action?

John Lovallo: Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one is how confident are you in your ability to pass along this $30 million in 2020 in sorry in 2025 tariff impact to your customers.

Speaker Change: This cost is flat to negative across your business pre tariff customers are obviously large and growing.

Speaker Change: So I'm curious your ability to pass it along and are there any other initiatives that you're taking in terms of mitigation actions.

William Christensen: Good morning, John. So, you know, we are in constant negotiation with our key customers as the tariff reality evolves. We have a great internal team that has been working almost around the clock when this was all being structured to really try and define what are the opportunities that we have, but also what are the challenges, and our sales organization is in close contact with our customer base. Obviously, a lot of our customers are being faced with multiple inbound requests on different product cost increases. So, negotiations are going well. I think the big issue, John, is the certainty around what are the corridors that will stick longer term, and how many more changes are coming.

John Lovallo: Hey, good morning, John.

John Lovallo: We are in constant negotiation with our key customers as the tariff reality evolves.

John Lovallo: We have a great internal team that has been working almost around the clock. When this was all being structured to really try and define what are the opportunities that we have but also what are the challenges in our sales organization is in close contact with our customer base obviously.

John Lovallo: A lot of our customers are being faced with multiple.

John Lovallo: Inbound requests on different product cost increases so negotiations are going well.

Speaker Change: The big issue John is the certainty around what what are the corridors that will stick longer term and how many more changes are coming.

So, we're remaining as agile as possible when we're thinking through the long-term implications of our sourcing cost base, and we're already working with some of our key suppliers on reshoring opportunities, and we are unshoring capacity that we have available to create maybe in the short term a higher cost base, but longer term, a lower cost base because it's domestically sourced. So, we don't see significant challenges in getting the surcharges into the market, because at the end of the day, this is something that the whole market is going to have to work together to be as effective as possible.

Speaker Change: We're remaining as agile as possible when we're thinking through.

Speaker Change: The long term implications of our sourcing cost base and we're already working with some of our key suppliers on re shoring opportunities and we are onshoring.

Speaker Change: Capacity that we have available to create maybe in the short term a higher cost base, but longer term a lower cost base because it's domestically sourced so we don't see significant challenges.

Speaker Change: Getting the surcharges into the market.

Speaker Change: Because at the end of the day this is something that.

Speaker Change: The whole market is going to have to work together.

Speaker Change: To be as effective as possible, we continue to invest in a lot of the initiatives that are taking cost out of our system and making ourselves more effective and that's the counter balance for us. So it's basically two levers working with our customers to pass through surcharges, but at the same time continuing to optimize our cost structure and thats why the inverse.

We continue to invest in a lot of the initiatives that are taking costs out of our system and making ourselves more effective, and that's the counterbalance for us. So, it's basically two levers, working with our customers to pass through surcharges, but at the same time, continuing to optimize our cost structure, and that's why the investments remain elevated to make sure we're doing as much as we can to balance. And I think the big issue right now is maybe not the near term, it's the longer term and the uncertainty in the second order that the tariffs could potentially have on demand in the channel, and that's, you know, I think the bigger issue that people are really trying to figure out what's the cone of probability, and it's extremely challenging to define that given the current reality of uncertainty.

Speaker Change: <unk> remained elevated to make sure we're doing as much as we can to balance.

Speaker Change: I think the big issue right now is maybe not the near term as the longer term and the uncertainty in the second order.

Speaker Change: That the tariffs could potentially have on demand.

Speaker Change: In the channel and Thats and I think the bigger issue that people are really trying to figure out what's the Kona a probability.

Speaker Change: And it's extremely challenging to define that given the current reality of uncertainty.

William Christensen: Okay, understood. And then, you know, on average, 2Q EBITDA has historically improved, call it 40% to 50% quarter over quarter, you know, from the first quarter. I mean, how should we sort of think about the phrasing of your outlook that 2Q EBITDA will be slightly better seasonally compared to the first quarter, you know, in the context of that historical number? And how should we also think about sales quarter to quarter from 1Q to 2Q? Yeah, so I mean, I think you're thinking about it correctly, John. You know, as we look at it, typically, we experience a seasonal uptick in 2Q versus 1Q.

Speaker Change: Okay understood and then.

Speaker Change: On average Q2, EBITDA has historically improved call it 40% to 50% quarter over quarter from the first quarter I mean, how should we sort of think about the phrasing of your outlook <unk> EBITDA will be slightly better seasonally compared to the first quarter in the context of that of the historical number and how should we also think about sales quarter.

Speaker Change: Quarter from <unk>.

Speaker Change: Yes, so I mean, I think youre thinking about it correctly John as.

Speaker Change: As we look at it typically we experience a seasonal uptick in <unk> versus <unk>. It was very muted last year. It was there but it was very soft we are not seeing a significant rebound this year.

It was very muted last year. It was there, but it was very soft. We are not seeing a significant rebound this year. That would be typical with kind of a spring reload for a summer build. So I think that's the first message. The low base. And, you know, if we look at kind of how things were tracking, Samantha went through some of the details on our Q1 sales down roughly 19%. We see similar rates as we're rolling into April. So it's muted, the rebound, and I think that has to do with the uncertainty. So we're thinking that there will be a quarter-over-quarter uptick, but off of a lower base.

Speaker Change: Would be typical with kind of a spring reload for our summer build.

Speaker Change: First message is that the message is we would expect the seasonal uptick, albeit off of a low base.

Samantha Stoddard: And if we look at kind of how things were tracking Samantha went through some of the some of the details on our Q1 sales down roughly 19%.

Samantha Stoddard: We see similar rates as we're rolling into April.

Samantha Stoddard: So.

Samantha Stoddard: It's muted the rebound and I think that has to do with the uncertainty.

Samantha Stoddard: So we're thinking that there will be quarter over quarter uptick, but off of a lower base.

Samantha Stoddard: and maybe Samantha has more detail on that for you. Thanks, John. I think in terms of this year, looking into Q2, I agree with everything Bill shared, but we haven't really seen a lot of the tariff-related impact into the demand in Q1. You know, we saw, I would say, in April, again, more muted activity and demand than we would have expected. And just given where we are in the year and the range of the different outcomes, we want to be able to provide as much commentary on the near term where we have the most visibility.

Samantha Stoddard: And.

Samantha Stoddard: Maybe some detail.

Samantha Stoddard: Detail on that for Ya. Thanks, Jon I think in terms of this year looking into Q2 I agree with everything Bill shared but we haven't really seen a lot of the tariff related impact into the demand in Q1.

Samantha Stoddard: We saw I would say in April again, more muted activity and demand than we would have expected.

Samantha Stoddard: And just given where we are in the year in the range of the different outcomes, we want to be able to provide as much commentary on the near term, where we have the most visibility.

Got it.

Speaker Change: Got it thank you guys.

Thank you, guys.

All right, thanks, John.

Jeff: Alright, Thanks, Jeff.

Philip Ng: And your next question comes from the line of Phil Ng with Jeffrey's, your line is open. Hey guys, appreciate all the good color in a uncertain macro backdrop. Bill, it was encouraging to hear you say you're expecting the $150 million in mitigation actions and transformation and cost out to kind of still kick in. The flow through the first half seems relatively muted. How should we think about dropping through in the back half? You know, appreciating volumes did have an impact and wanting to keep productivity was negative, but just kind of help us think through that flow through in the back half.

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Phil <unk> with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker Change: Hey, guys I appreciate all the good color in a uncertain macro backdrop.

Speaker Change: Bill It was encouraging hear you say you're expecting.

Speaker Change: $150 million in mitigation actions on transformation and cost out to kind of still kicking.

Speaker Change: The flow through the first half seems relatively muted.

Speaker Change: How should we think about dropping through the back half I appreciate your volumes.

Speaker Change: Did have an impact and why keep activity was negative, but just kind of help us think through that flow through in the back half.

William Christensen: Yeah, so I think roughly 40-60, Phil. So 40 H1, 60% H2. Reason why it's loaded more to H2 is some of the cost measures. So again, we have 100 of transformation and 50 of on top costs. A number of those measures were actioned at the end of 1Q. So those start dropping into 2Q. And as we roll forward through the rest of the year, I think the one, the one big variable and you hit it, Phil, on really us being able to capture the 100 million of transformation benefit is, you know, how do volumes develop?

Speaker Change: Yes.

Speaker Change: Lastly, 40, 60 sales of 48 to $1 60 percentage too.

Speaker Change: Reason why it's loaded more to H two as some of the cost measures. So again, we have 100 of transformation 50, Yvonne top cost.

Speaker Change: Number of those measures where actions at the end of <unk>, So they'll start dropping into <unk> and as we roll forward through the rest of the year I think the one the one big variable in your head as Phil really us being able to capture.

Speaker Change: $100 million of transformation benefits as hydro volumes develop because there are some productivity assumptions in there based on volumes as we roll forward.

Because there are some productivity assumptions in there based on volumes as we roll forward. And as we've said in the prepared remarks, a number of our sites still remain underutilized. And with the limited rebound, we think that there's, you know, going to be a challenging back half situation and potentially we're going to negative underlying productivity just based on that reality. Hard for us to really pinpoint it, but we still feel confident in the transformation. We're tracking it diligently and the additional 50, as I said, we've taken a lot of action in 1Q that will start dropping.

Speaker Change: And as we've said in the prepared remarks, a number of our sites to remain underutilized.

Speaker Change: And with limited rebound, we think that there is going to be a challenging back half situation and potentially we're going to see negative underlying productivity just based on that reality hard for us to really pinpoint it but we still feel confident in the transformation we're tracking it diligently.

Speaker Change: <unk> 50, as I said, we've taken a lot of action in <unk> that will start dropping you can also see Phil in terms of the corporate costs, we were able to action that earlier in the year and Youre starting to see that materialize in Q1 expect that to continue in Q2 through Q4 when it.

You can also see, Phil, you know, in terms of the corporate costs, we were able to action that earlier in the year and you're starting to see that materialize in Q1. Expect that to continue in Q2 through Q4. When it comes to, you know, kind of the other cost actions, we talked about the plant related actions in 2 plants that we've announced shutdowns so far this So you will see that benefit in the latter half of the year. Unfortunately, to Bill's point, because of the volume uncertainty and how that implies with our capacity, we would see a negative productivity underlying.

Speaker Change: Comes to kind of the other cost actions, we talked about the plant related actions.

Speaker Change: Two plants that we've announced shutdown so far this year.

Speaker Change: So you will see that benefit in the lab in the latter half of the year.

Speaker Change: Unfortunately to Bill's point, because the volume uncertainty and how that implies with our capacity, we would see a negative productivity underlying that would be in addition to the cost actions that we're actively pursuing.

That would be in addition to the cost actions that we're actively pursuing. Okay.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Samantha Stoddard: You know, appreciating dynamic environment, Sam, your leverage was called four and a half times in one queue. You're not calling for much of a seasonal improvement in earnings going to two queue. I mean, the quick math kind of implies leverage could be as high as high single digits. So kind of help us think through how you kind of managing that liquidity risk and what are some of the options you have to kind of improve your balance sheet in the near to medium term. Sure. So, first, I want to address the leverage comment. You know, our lending base does not have restrictive covenants.

Speaker Change: I.

Speaker Change: Shifting dynamic environment.

Speaker Change: Sam your leverage was call it four five times.

Speaker Change: <unk>, calling for much of the seasonal improvement in earnings going into <unk>.

The quick math guide implies leverage could be as high as high single digits.

Speaker Change: Help us think through how you're kind of managing that liquidity risks and what are some of the options you have to kind of improve your balance sheet ended near to medium term.

Speaker Change: Sure. So first I want to address the leverage comment.

Speaker Change: Our lending base does not have restrictive covenants. So we do not have issues from that standpoint. However, we do realize that thats, an unacceptable level and we are closely managing both working capital as well as diligently reviewing every single Capex request, we have not cut back at this point in time.

So, we do not have issues from that standpoint. However, we do realize that that's an unacceptable level and we are closely managing both working capital as well as diligently reviewing every single CapEx request. We have not cut back at this point on CapEx because you can see the benefits from a cost action standpoint of our investment in the transformation, but we are reviewing every single project to make sure that it fits within our strategy and it has the payback necessary. We are also, as we talked about prior, evaluating potential options like a sale leaseback or other asset sales to further strengthen our balance sheet.

Speaker Change: Capex because you can see the benefits from our cost action standpoint.

Speaker Change: Our investment in the transformation, but we are reviewing every single project to make sure that it fits within our strategy and it has the payback necessary.

Speaker Change: We're also as we talked about prior evaluating potential options like a sale leaseback.

Speaker Change: Our other asset sales to further strengthen our balance sheet.

But I want to make sure everyone understands that we have ample liquidity for the foreseeable future, including our undrawn revolver. So from that standpoint, we feel we are in a good standpoint. We're managing our cash appropriately, and we're continuing to evaluate options that will further strengthen. Okay, appreciate it, Dholakia.

Speaker Change: But I want to make sure everyone understands that we have ample liquidity liquidity for the foreseeable future, including our Undrawn revolver.

Speaker Change: So from that standpoint, we feel we are in a good standpoint, we're managing our cash appropriately and we're continuing to evaluate options that will further strengthen.

Speaker Change: Okay I appreciate the color.

Thanks, Phil.

Bill: Thanks Bill.

Susan Maklari: And your next question comes from the line of Susan Maklari with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. My first question is thinking about your position as a largely U.S.-based producer for your North America operations. Are you seeing or thinking about the potential that that could help you regain some share in the market? Have you heard anything from customers initially? And any thoughts maybe on how some of those benefits could come through over time? So I think the short answer is yes, we see opportunity.

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Susan Mcclary with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Susan Mcclary: Good morning, everyone.

Speaker Change: Hi, Thanks, Good morning, Susan.

Speaker Change: Thank you. Good morning. My first question is thinking about your position as a largely U S. Based producer for you in North America operations are you seeing or thinking about the potential that that could help you regain some share in the market have you heard anything from customers initially any thoughts maybe on how some of those.

Speaker Change: Benefits could come through over time.

Speaker Change: So I think the short answer is yes, we see opportunity I think the longer answer is it's highly complex currently Susan given the uncertain nature of tariff corridors and magnitude.

William Christensen: I think the longer answer is it's highly complex currently, Susan, given the uncertain nature of tariff corridors and magnitude. There are a few areas specifically I'll name one just to highlight fiberglass stores there's been a pretty significant uptake in imports Asian imports on the lower end and obviously the tariff levels that are currently in place and potentially going to hang around for a while it makes those products extremely prohibitive from a price standpoint in the domestic market clear ourselves and others are domestic domestic manufacturers of fiberglass stores so there's clearly opportunities there and we have been investing significantly in a number of our component manufacturing sites so that's also opportunity that we're already utilizing to pull some offshore components back onshore so I do think that there's opportunity I think it will take a while to settle and I think a couple things need to happen number one ourselves and others in the supply chain need to have some longer-term certainty on what the levels really will be and then that will help I think the industry in general start to reprice different products and allow people to really understand what's the most effective sourcing strategy for those components given inflated price levels due to tariffs and once that is set and I think there's going to be a much clearer path for us and others as to where are we investing domestically and what kind of opportunity do we see to bring business back in but there are already discussions going on with key customers in certain areas that that we think would be an opportunity for us Okay, that's great color.

Speaker Change: There are a few areas.

Speaker Change: Specifically I'll name one just the highlight fiberglass doors, there has been a pretty significant uptick in imports Asian imports on the lower end and obviously with tariff levels that are currently in place and potentially going to hang around for a while.

Speaker Change: Makes those products extremely prohibited from a price standpoint in the domestic market ourselves and others are domestic with domestic manufacturers of fiberglass doors. So there's clearly opportunities there and we have been investing significantly in a number of our component manufacturing sites. So that's also off.

Speaker Change: <unk>.

Speaker Change: Already utilizing to pull some.

Speaker Change: Sure components back onshore. So I do think that there is opportunity I think it will take a while to settle.

Speaker Change: I think a couple of things need to happen number one.

Speaker Change: Our selves and others in the supply chain needs to have some longer term certainty on what the levels really will be and then that will help I think the industry in general is start to reprice.

Speaker Change: Different products and allow people to really understand what's the most effective sourcing strategy for those components given.

Speaker Change: Inflated price levels due to tariffs and once that is set and I think there is going to be a much clearer path for us and others as to where are we investing domestically and what kind of opportunity that we see to bring business back in but there are already discussions going on with key customers in certain areas.

Speaker Change: We think would be an opportunity for us.

Speaker Change: Okay. That's great color and then you've mentioned efforts to improve your service levels, reducing your lead times to customers. I guess can you just talk a bit more about how youre thinking of those projects that you are taking on this year any change given the macro environment and anything we should be looking for.

William Christensen: And then, you know, you've mentioned efforts to improve your service levels, reducing your lead times to customers, I guess. Can you just talk a bit more about how you're thinking of those projects that you're taking on this year, any change given the macro environment and anything we should be looking for as we think about just the path for margins this year, even in the back half, relative to the weaker volumes that might come through? So we're obviously staying very close to the volume reality and really going through different scenarios as we should to really try and understand what our impact range is based on volume scenarios.

Speaker Change: Or as we think about just the path for margins this year.

Speaker Change: Even in the back half relative to the weaker volumes that might come through.

Speaker Change: Yes.

Speaker Change: Obviously, we're staying very close to the volume reality and really going through different scenarios as we should to really try and understand what our impact ranges based on volume scenarios given.

Given tariff expectations and obviously then making assumptions on certain outcomes, as you look at our capital and what we've been doing to invest in our Strengthen the is locked in to larger scoping projects that are really transforming our cost base in our domestic manufacturing. So that's great news for us and we're starting to bring online one of our first large investments in Texas in the next couple of months that we've released 18 months ago. So some of these things are starting to take shape and we feel that will give us a pretty great opportunity to bring our cost to serve down.

Speaker Change: Tariff expectations, and obviously, then making assumptions on certain outcomes as you look at our capital and what we've been doing to invest in our strengthened the foundation piece of the work we've been doing.

Speaker Change: At least 50% of our Capex is locked in to larger scoping projects that are really transforming our cost base in our domestic manufacturing so.

Speaker Change: That's great news for Us and we're starting to bring online in one of our first large.

Speaker Change: Investments in Texas in the next couple of months that we've released 18 months ago. So some of these things are starting to take shape and we feel that will give us.

Speaker Change: Pretty great opportunity to bring our cost to serve down however, with the softness in the market.

However, with the softness in the market and the short-term uncertainty, we still are investing as we need to be in our footprint, which still is too large and we need to optimize. And some of these things are longer-term projects that we don't feel that we should be turning off because we want to reap the long-term benefit. There are other shorter-term things where we're shifting and reprioritizing, as Samantha mentioned, but we feel very comfortable that we are absolutely on track with what we've set out to do. We've always said we need fewer sites and we need to over invest in those fewer sites.

Speaker Change: And the short term uncertainty we still are investing.

Speaker Change: As we need to be in our footprint, which still is too large.

Samantha Stoddard: We need to optimize and some of these things are longer term projects that we don't feel that we should be turning off because we want to reach the long term benefit there are other shorter term things, where we're shifting and re prioritizing as Samantha mentioned.

Samantha Stoddard: But we feel very comfortable that we are absolutely on track with what we set out to do we've always said, we need fewer sites and we need to overinvest in those fewer sites and when the market volume turns and it will it's a cyclical business, we know that but we're preparing ourselves and getting our service levels and our quality.

And when the market volume turns, and it will, it's a cyclical business, we know that, but we're preparing ourselves and getting our service levels and our quality levels, as well as the asset base up to speed. And that will give us, we believe, a very interesting upside when the volumes turn. And that's what we're getting ready for and have been working on for the last two to three years.

Samantha Stoddard: Levels as well as the asset base up to speed and that will give us we believe a very interesting upside.

Samantha Stoddard: When the volumes turn.

Samantha Stoddard: And that's what we're getting ready for and have been working on for the last two to three years.

Okay, thank you for all the color. Good luck with everything. Thank you.

Samantha Stoddard: Okay. Thank you for all the color good luck with everything.

Samantha Stoddard: Thank you Steve.

Matthew Bouley: And your next question comes in the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Your line is open. Good morning. You have Anika Dholakia on for Matt today. Thank you for taking the question. So first off, I wanted to talk. Hi, I wanted to talk on mix. So you mentioned that mix has stabilized this quarter.

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Your line is open.

Matthew Bouley: Good morning, do you have any <unk> on for Matt today. Thank you for taking the questions.

Matthew Bouley: First off I wanted to Nighthawk, Hi, I wanted to talk on mix. So you mentioned that mix has stabilized this quarter I'm wondering if you can parse out how much of that $39 million volume mix headwind was volume versus mix and how you'd expect this to trend.

Samantha Stoddard: I'm wondering if you can parse out how much of that 39 million volume mix headwind was volume versus mix and how you'd expect this to trend. I'm just wondering kind of if there's a risk maybe customers mixing down moving forward given a more pressured affordability backdrop. Thanks. So, the mixed downturn is really what we experienced in 2024. And as you referenced, that was when we saw a significant shift to the, I would say, lower-priced, more entry-level products. We have not seen a significant mixed change in 2025 thus far. So, we expect to be at that lower level that we saw the transition happen in 2024.

Speaker Change: I'm, just wondering kind of if there is a risk maybe customers mixing down moving forward given our more pressured affordability backdrop. Thanks.

Speaker Change: So the mix downturn is really what we experienced in 2024 and as you referenced that was when we saw a significant shift to the I would say lower priced more entry level products, we have not seen a significant mix change in 2025.

Speaker Change: So we expect to be at that lower level that we saw the transition happened in 'twenty four we expect to be at that lower level going into 2025. So I would tell you. The vast majority of what youre seeing in terms of that volume mix decline is truly volume.

We expect to be at that lower level going into 2025. So, I would tell you the vast majority of what you're seeing in terms of that volume mix decline is truly volume. We have not experienced any kind of significant downturn, as I said, as we did last year.

Speaker Change: We have not experienced any kind of significant downturn as I said as we did last year.

Speaker Change: Great. That's super helpful. And then on the second question just maybe on the timing of the tariff impact how we should be thinking about that $30 million flowing through.

Samantha Stoddard: That's super helpful. And then on the second question, just maybe on the timing of the tariff impact, how we should be thinking about that $30 million flowing through to Q versus second half. Thanks. So, as Bill talked about, we do intend to fully pass through that $30 million in terms of the tariff onto our customers. There is a, I would call it an immaterial difference of timing of when that takes effect in Q2, but it is insignificant in the grand scheme of what we're passing through. So, I would expect that we're going to start to see the impact of the surcharges in Q2 throughout the rest of the year.

Speaker Change: <unk> versus second half.

Speaker Change: So as bill talked about we do intend to fully pass through that 30 million in terms of the tariff onto our customers. There is a I would call.

Speaker Change: Immaterial difference of timing of when that takes effect in Q2, but it is insignificant in the Grand scheme of what we're passing through so I would expect that we're going to start to see the impact of the surcharges in Q2.

Speaker Change: Throughout the rest of the year.

And of course, that's based on current levels, and I think it's anyone's guess on where those will settle. Thank you.

Speaker Change: And of course based on current levels and I think it's anyone's guess on where those will settle.

Speaker Change: Great. Thank you I'll pass it on.

I'll pass it on.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Trevor Allinson: And your next question comes from the line of Trevor Allinson with Wolf Research. Your line is open. Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. You guys have previously talked about offsetting $50 million of cost inflation with pricing. You've got the $30 million incremental now with tariffs. You've expressed confidence in offsetting that portion.

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Trevor Allinson with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Hi, Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions you guys had pretty good Chuck talked about offsetting $50 million of cost inflation with pricing you've got the $30 million incremental now with tariffs you've expressed confidence in and offsetting that portion.

Samantha Stoddard: Can you talk about your confidence in offsetting the $50 million of non-tariff inflation, and is $50 million still a good number for us to use on that? Yeah, so I think, Trevor, this is Samantha, it is still a good number to use in terms of, I would say, non-tariff related input cost increases. We have seen, I would say, an overall softening of the market in terms of the competitive landscape, which is why we are focusing on not just price, but also how we can compete on service, quality, etc., which is why there's significant investment in those areas.

Speaker Change: Can you talk about your confidence in offsetting the $50 million of non tariff inflation and is $50 million still a good number for us to use on that.

Speaker Change: Yes, So I think Trevor this is Matt, but it is still a good number to use in terms of I would say non tariff related input cost increases.

Speaker Change: We have seen I would say.

Speaker Change: Over an overall softening in terms of the competitive <unk>.

Speaker Change: Overall softening of the market in terms of the competitive landscape, which is why we are focusing on not just price, but also how we can compete on service quality et cetera.

Speaker Change: Which is why there is significant investment in those areas.

I do expect us to be slightly price-cost negative this year, again, because of the challenging demand outlook, but I think in terms of your overall read, the cost input increases would be about the same. Okay. Gotcha. Makes a lot of sense.

Speaker Change: Do you expect us to be slightly price cost negative this year again because of the challenging demand outlook.

Speaker Change: But I think in terms of your overall read the cost input increases would be about the same.

Speaker Change: Okay got you thanks a lot.

Samantha Stoddard: And then second, when you guys announced the Tawana divestiture, you gave a pretty wide range on both sales and EBITDA impact, depending on how customer retention would go. I think the EBITDA range was like $25 million to $50 million. Can you provide an update there to which end of that range are you gliding towards as you have some more visibility into customer retention? So I would say on that standpoint, we are seeing slightly more towards the higher end of that range. It was a pretty broad range, you know, the what happened in terms of the last few weeks, the muted seasonal uptake from Q1, those are all factors that are playing out.

Speaker Change: And then second when you guys announced the wanted to divestiture you gave a pretty wide range on both sales and EBITDA impact depending on how customer retention will go I think.

Speaker Change: EBITDA range of slide 25 million to $50 million. He brought to provide an update there to which end of that range are you guiding towards as you have some more visibility into customer retention. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Yeah.

Speaker Change: So I would say on that standpoint, we are seeing slightly more towards the higher end of that range.

Speaker Change: It was a pretty broad range.

Speaker Change: What happened in terms of the last few weeks the muted seasonal uptake from Q1. Those are all factors that are playing out.

But I would say, in general, we are expecting slightly to the higher end of that range.

Speaker Change: But I would say in general we are expecting slightly to the higher end of that range.

Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you for all the color and good luck moving forward.

Thank you for all the color and good luck moving forward. Thanks Trevor.

Speaker Change: Thanks sure. Thanks Robert.

Jeffrey Stevenson: And your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Stevenson with Loop Capital. Your line is open. Hey, thanks for taking my questions today.

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Stevenson with loop capital. Your line is open.

Jeffrey Stevenson: Hi, Thanks for taking my questions today.

Jeffrey Stevenson: So Bill, one of your strategic priorities has been standardizing build specifications and processes across your manufacturing network, and I just wondered how far along are you in this initiative, and will it help drive farther footprint consolidation in the future if needed? So, we're making progress. There's two things that we're doing here at Jeffrey, as we've talked in the past. One is really to optimize our cost to serve, and how we're doing that is investing in pretty significant automation in some of our door slab sites. And as I just mentioned on a prior question, we are just starting the first install on one of those systems at a Texas facility.

Speaker Change: But one of your strategic priorities has been standardized and build specifications and processes across our manufacturing network and I was just.

Speaker Change: Wondering how far along are you on list of initiatives and will help drive further footprint consolidation in the future if needed.

Speaker Change: Yes.

Speaker Change: We're making progress there is two things that we're doing here at Jeffrey as we've talked in the past one is really to optimize our cost to serve and how we're doing that is investing in pretty pretty significant automation and some of our door slab sites and as Ed just mentioned on a prior question. We are just starting to first install.

Speaker Change: One of those systems at a Texas facility, So thats coming along second thing that we're working through now obviously based on tariffs and sourcing we are taking a very hard look at our product complexity.

William Christensen: So, that's coming along. The second thing that we're working through now, obviously, is based on tariffs and sourcing. We are taking a very hard look at our product complexity and working through optimization opportunities that we have to simplify our offering and to make sure we can get the right product. product cost stack in our doors and windows that meet customer expectations. So that's a second topic that's more broader from a complexity reduction, but both of those are progressing according to plan. I'd say we're further along on investing and automation and hence the still elevated CapEx this year, but we feel comfortable with the progress we're making on both of those.

Speaker Change: Working through <unk>.

Speaker Change: Optimization opportunities that we have to simplify our offering and to make sure we can get there.

Speaker Change: Right.

Speaker Change: Product cost stack.

Speaker Change: In our doors and windows that meet customer expectations. So that's a second topic, that's more broader from a complexity reduction but both of those are progressing. According to plan I'd say, we're further along on investing in automation.

Speaker Change: And hence if there's still elevated capex this year, but we feel comfortable with the progress we're making on both of those fronts.

Speaker Change: Okay great.

Okay, great.

William Christensen: And then could you provide more color on the, you know, new business ones you talked about with Builder customers, you saw from your recent collaboration efforts, and then, you know, some early successes maybe you've seen from increasing your production Builder sales concentration from the, you know, Windows Stock and Service program that you implemented last year, Bill? Yes, so we're making progress. As we said in prepared remarks, we're ahead of our expectations for gaining new business. Again, that is acquisition of new business and not delivery of product. You've got to think there's a six to nine month window between the book and the build, so to speak.

Speaker Change: And then could you provide more color on new business wins, you've talked about with builder customers you saw from our recent collaboration efforts.

Speaker Change: Some early successes, maybe you've seen from <unk>.

Speaker Change: Kris and your production builder sales concentration from.

Speaker Change: Windows stock and service program.

Bill: Implemented last year Bill.

Speaker Change: Yes, so we're making progress as we said in prepared remarks were ahead of our expectations for gaining new business again that is acquisition of new business and not delivery of product you've got to think there is a six to nine month window.

Speaker Change: <unk> the book and the bills. So to speak. So we are we are making progress and that's one of the things that we really wanted to get better at is utilizing the strength that we have on the interior door side of the house and combine that with a window offering that meets expectations of some of the production builders that we're developing relationships with.

So we are making progress. And that's one of the things that we really want to get better at is utilizing the strength that we have on the interior door side of the house and combine that with a window offering that meets expectations of some of the production builders that we're developing relationships with. We feel comfortable, but again, this is what we're seeing in a pipeline and not yet a dramatic materialization of that sales on the P&L, and that's still to come. But again, as I also suggested in my prepared remarks, the spring build season is pretty flat, so traffic for new home builders is below expectations.

Speaker Change: We feel comfortable but again this is what we're seeing in our pipeline and not yet a dramatic materialize nation of that sales on the P&L.

Speaker Change: <unk> still to come.

Speaker Change: But again as I also suggested in my prepared remarks, the spring build season is.

Speaker Change: Pretty flat so traffic for new homebuilders is below expectations I would say just in general obviously, there is pockets that are outliers in both directions, but in general we're not seeing the rebound that we would expect and again coming back to what do we think are driving those.

I'd say just in general, obviously, there's pockets that are outliers in both directions, but in general, we're not seeing the rebound that we would expect. And again, coming back to what do we think are driving those low traffic levels, its affordability and its interest rates, and then you add in the uncertainty of tariffs and potential further cost increases, it's creating a challenging environment right now to make big ticket decisions. Whether it be on a large window or sliding door renovations or purchasing new homes, which obviously pull through interior doors and exterior doors and windows. Great, thank you.

Speaker Change: Low traffic levels, its affordability and its interest rates and then you add in the uncertainty of.

Speaker Change: Tariffs and potential further cost increases, it's creating a challenging environment right now to make big ticket decisions.

Speaker Change: Whether it be.

Speaker Change: A large window or.

Speaker Change: Sliding door renovations or purchasing new homes, which obviously pulled through interior doors and exterior doors and windows.

Speaker Change: Great. Thank you.

Thanks, Jeff.

Jeffrey Stevenson: Thanks Jeffrey.

Steven Ramsey: And your next question comes from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research. Your line is open. Good morning. I wanted to follow on to the topic of production builder wins. Clearly, at some point, this will be a volume benefit. My first question is, is this expected to be a benefit in the second half? And then secondly, is this line of business going to be a mixed headwind or tailwind or neutral?

Speaker Change: And your next question comes from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research. Your line is open.

Steven Ramsey: Good morning, I wanted to follow on to the topic of production builder wins clearly at some point this will be a volume benefit.

Speaker Change: The first question is will this or is this expected to be a benefit in the second half and then secondly is this line of business going to be a mix headwind or tailwind or neutral.

William Christensen: Hey, good morning, Steven. Thanks for the question. So I'd say, yes, expect something in H2. It'll be small. I'd say it's not material in the grand scheme of things. More importantly for us, it's really starting to cement the relationships where we're selling systems into our builder partners and not just an interior door package. But again, the builder volume that is currently tracking is at the lower end. As Samantha mentioned, there was a pretty significant mix down just in general in production builders last year. And we're still seeing that this year. So what we're acquiring is at a lower end.

Speaker Change: Hey, good morning, Stephen Thanks for the question. So I would say, yes, I expect something in H, two it'll be small I would say, it's not material in the Grand scheme of things more importantly for us, it's really starting to cement the relationships, where we're selling systems into our builder partners and not just an interior door package.

Samantha Stoddard: But again the builder volume that is currently tracking is at the lower end as Samantha mentioned, there was a pretty significant mix down just in general and production builders last year and we're still seeing that this year. So what we're acquiring is at a lower end.

But we would expect that to materialize later in H2. But it won't be material if you look at our overall earnings for this year.

Samantha Stoddard: But we would expect that to materialize later in H, two but it won't be material. If you look at our overall earnings for this year.

Okay, that's helpful.

Speaker Change: Okay. That's helpful. Second question would be on the Capex outlook.

William Christensen: Second question would be on the CapEx Outlook. Looks like you're holding that. I guess what would cause you to change your view on CapEx? You've made a great case for a lower footprint with more automation, but given this backdrop, are there any benefits you see to pulling down the CapEx a bit, or another way to ask, how much flexibility do you have with your CapEx in 2025? Yes, so we there's definitely flexibility there and we are taking a very a very targeted approach as really balancing the short-term and the long-term. A lot of the projects in the pipeline are obviously for the longer-term transformation of our network, which are materializing in different stages.

Speaker Change: Looks like you're holding that I guess, what would cause you to change your view on Capex you have made a great case, where a lower footprint with more automation, but given this backdrop are there any benefits you see to pulling down the capex a bit or another way to ask how much flexibility do you.

Speaker Change: With your Capex in 2025.

Speaker Change: Yes. So there is definitely flexibility there and we are taking a very.

Speaker Change: A very targeted approach as really balancing the short term and the long term.

Speaker Change: The projects in the pipeline are obviously for the longer term transformation of our network, which are are materializing in different stages. So as we said kind of above 50% of that spend is allocated to projects that are already in flight and we're sharpening our pencil.

William Christensen: So, as we said, kind of above 50 percent of that spend is allocated to projects that are already in flight, and we're sharpening our pencil on everything else. If we do see things develop in a very fashion back half of the year, driven by further tariffs, shocks, uncertainties, clearly we would be reducing the cap-back spend. And as Samantha mentioned, there's other avenues that we're actively looking at, say a lease-back, asset sales, to really make sure the balance sheet is very secure and to continue that. And we have a credit line that's undrawn. We just want to make sure that we are going to win the long game, which is what we've always said we want to do.

Speaker Change: On everything else, if we do see.

Speaker Change: Things develop in a very negative fashion back half of the year driven by further tariffs shocks uncertainties clearly we would be.

Speaker Change: Reducing the Capex spend.

Samantha Stoddard: And as Samantha mentioned, there's other avenues that we're actively looking at sale leaseback asset sales to really make sure the balance sheet.

Samantha Stoddard: Very secure and to continue that and we have.

Samantha Stoddard: Our credit line that's undrawn.

Samantha Stoddard: Just want to make sure that we are going to win the long game, which is what we've always said we want to do so.

So, we are doing everything we can to continue funding those projects, and we still continue to do that given the environment. And again, at our next call, you'll hear more depending on how markets are developing and what the expectation is. But right now, we're still pushing hard on these projects, which are important for the long-term.

Samantha Stoddard: So we are doing everything we can to continue funding those projects and we still continue to do that given the environment.

Samantha Stoddard: And again at our next call Youll hear more depending on how markets are developing and what the expectation is but right now we're still pushing hard on.

Samantha Stoddard: These projects, which are important for the long term.

Great, thank you. You're welcome.

Samantha Stoddard: Great. Thank you.

Samantha Stoddard: Youre welcome.

And again, if you'd like to ask a question, press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

Speaker Change: And again, if you'd like to ask a question Press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC capital markets. Your line is open.

Mike Dahl: Our next question comes from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Thanks for taking my question.

Mike Dahl: Hi, Thanks for taking my questions.

Mike Dahl: My first question, just drilling into 2Q a little bit, look, if 2Q is only up slightly sequentially, I think your prior guide had implied that you were looking for something more like in the $65 million range for 2Q EBITDA, and now we're talking, I don't know if we're talking $25 or $30, maybe you can clarify that a little bit, but let's call it like a $40 million delta, that's very meaningful. That would be like 15% to 20% of your entire prior. fiscal year guide.

Mike Dahl: Hi, My first question just drilling into <unk>, a little bit.

Mike Dahl: Look at <unk> is only up slightly sequentially I think your prior guide had implied.

Speaker Change: You were looking for something more like in the.

Speaker Change: $65 million range for <unk>, EBITDA and now we're talking about we're.

Speaker Change: We're talking 25, or 30, and maybe you can clarify that a little bit but that's.

Speaker Change: Let's call it like a $40 million Delta.

Speaker Change: Very meaningful that would be like 15% to 20% of your entire prior.

Speaker Change: Full year guide.

So, just help us break that down. If there's no real net tariff impact there, it's all kind of core market. Help break down what exactly changed. Maybe give us an update on your market expectations. I think you were down kind of like low to mid-single digits for new construction and R&R prior. What are you thinking about now?

Speaker Change: So just help us break that down if there is no real net tariff impact there, it's all kind of core market how breakdown what.

Speaker Change: What exactly changed maybe you are.

Speaker Change: Give us an update on your market expectations I think you were down.

Speaker Change: Like low to mid single digits for new construction and R&R. Prior what are you thinking about now.

Help us drill down. Mike, so when you think about Q2 and, you know, we've, we're, we're guiding directionally, we are not giving a specific range because, as Bill mentioned, those range of outcomes have really increased pretty sizably. So, in terms of looking at how, how we're gonna land in Q2, it really comes down to the sales. So back to the original conversation around what sales are going to do. We expect a pickup, but we expect a very muted pickup, which we had not expected it to be as muted as we saw going into Q2 and towards the end of Q1.

Speaker Change: Us drawdown.

Mike Dahl: Hi, Mike So when you think about Q2 and we've.

Speaker Change: We're guiding directionally, we are not giving a specific range because.

Speaker Change: As Bill mentioned those range of outcomes has really increased pretty sizeable.

Speaker Change: So in terms of looking at how how we're going to land in Q2, it really comes down to the sales so back to the original conversation around what sales are going to do we expect a pickup but we expect a very muted pickup, which we had not expected.

Speaker Change: To be as muted as we saw going into Q2 and towards the end of Q1. So I think it comes down to that then you have essentially the flow through of that to the bottom line with the additional cost takeouts that we've talked about so I think youre trying to frame up an exact guidance range.

So, I think it comes down to that. Then you have essentially the flow through of that to the bottom line with the additional cost takeouts that we've talked about. So, I think you're trying to frame up an exact guidance range and the truth of the matter is, we don't know how the demand is gonna settle. So, the tariff impact on our company, as Bill has stated, we feel very comfortable with how we're positioned. It's how the tariff impact is affecting the macroeconomic landscape in every other company. And it's really going to determine how things settle over the next few weeks as to where, you know, we, the sales and demand outlook is positioned in Q2.

The truth of the matter is we don't know how the demand is going to settle.

Speaker Change: The tariff impact on our company as Bill has stated we feel very comfortable with how we're positioned it's how the tariff impact is affecting the macroeconomic landscape and every other company and it's really going to determine how things settle over the next few weeks as to where.

Speaker Change: The sales and demand outlook is positioned in Q2.

Okay, understood. Fair enough.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Speaker Change: Fair enough.

Samantha Stoddard: Then I guess, Samantha, just to follow up on the response to Phil's question, in terms of covenants, I thought that your revolver does have restricted covenants, and so you're undrawn today, so you're not subject to them. But look, like it does seem like the credit metrics are going to continue to deteriorate. I think you already expected limited operating cash this year and negative free cash flow. So to the extent you do need to draw on the revolver, can you just help us understand what the covenant levels are and how much is available to borrow at this point, or as you think about the balance of the year?

Speaker Change: And then I guess.

Speaker Change: Just a follow up on the response to Bill's question.

Speaker Change: In terms of covenants.

Speaker Change: I thought that your revolver does have restricted covenants.

Speaker Change: So your undrawn today, so you are not subject to them, but it looked like it does seem like the credit metrics are going to continue to deteriorate I think you already expected limited operating cash this year and negative free cash flow. So.

Speaker Change: To the extent you do need to draw on the revolver can you just.

Speaker Change: Help us understand those what the covenant levels are and how much is available to borrow at this point or do you think about kind of the balance of the year.

Yeah, so, you know, looking at the free cash flow metrics, the one thing that a lot of folks have not factored in is the inclusion of the proceeds from the Tawanda divestiture. So it, you know, when you look at the free cash flow, you got to add another, let's call it approximately $110 million to that. The, from a covenant standpoint, even on the revolver, are, we do not have restrictive covenants. We've evaluated kind of every one of our debt instruments and where it comes across. And we do not foresee any issues, even if we are to draw on the revolver.

Speaker Change: Yes, so looking at the free cash flow metrics. The one thing that a lot of folks have not factored in is the inclusion of the proceeds from this wanted divestiture. So.

Speaker Change: When you look at the free cash flow you've got to add another let's call it approximately $110 million to that.

Speaker Change: From a covenant standpoint, even on the revolver.

Speaker Change: We do not have restrictive covenants, we've evaluated kind of every one of our debt instruments and where it comes across and we do not see foresee any issues. Even if we are to draw on the revolver.

Samantha Stoddard: So hopefully that addresses your question. I mean, we are positioned well, as I said, for the foreseeable future. So this is something that we continue to invest in ourselves. We are seeing the benefits of that investment in terms of now multiple years of 100 million annual costs out, and, you know, we feel in a comfortable position. Keep in mind, right now, our revolving line of credit is up to 500 million dollars that we have not touched. So hopefully that addresses your questions.

Speaker Change: So hopefully that that addresses your question I mean, we are positioned well.

Speaker Change: As I said for the foreseeable future. So this is something that we continue to invest in ourselves. We are seeing the benefits of that investment in terms of now multiple years.

Speaker Change: Of <unk>.

Speaker Change: 100 million annual cost out.

Speaker Change: And we feel in a comfortable position keep in mind right now our revolving line of credit is up to $500 million that we have not touched.

Speaker Change: So hopefully that addresses your questions.

but happy to answer anything else. Yeah, I appreciate that. We'll follow up offline. Thanks.

Speaker Change: But happy to answer anything else.

Speaker Change: Yes, I appreciate that we'll follow up offline. Thanks.

James Armstrong: And there are no further questions at this time. James Armstrong, I'll turn the call back over to you. Well, thank you for joining our call today. If you have any follow-up questions, please reach out and I would be happy to answer.

Speaker Change: And there are no further questions at this time, James Armstrong I'll turn the call back over to you.

James Armstrong: Thank you for joining our call today, you have any follow up questions. Please reach out and I would be happy to answer this ends our call and please have a great day.

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