Q1 2025 Progyny Inc Earnings Call
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James Hart: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Progyny, Inc. first quarter 2025 earnings conference call.
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the project, Inc. First quarter 2025 earnings Conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments. After the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host James Hart.
James Hart: At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode, and the floor will be open for questions and comments after the It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, James Hart. James, the floor is yours.
Speaker Change: James the floor is yours.
James Hart: Thank you, Tom, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter conference call. With me today are Peter Anevski, CEO of Progyny, Michael Sturmer, President, and Mark Livingston, CFO.
Speaker Change: Tom and good afternoon, everyone welcome to our first quarter conference call with me today are Peter <unk> CEO of progeny, Michael <unk>, our president and Livingston CFO, we will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your questions before we begin I'd like to remind you that our comments and responses to your questions today reflect management's views as of today.
James Hart: We will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your question. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our comments and responses to your questions today reflect management's views as of today only, and will include statements related to our financial outlook for both the second quarter and full year 2025, and the assumptions and drivers underlying such guidance, our anticipated number of clients and covered lives for 2025, the demand for our solutions, our expectations for our selling season for 2026 launches, anticipated employment levels of our clients and the industries that we serve, the timing of client decisions, our expected utilization rates and mix, the potential benefits of our solution, Our Ability to Acquire New Clients and Retain and Upsell Existing Clients, Our Market Opportunity, and Our Business Strategy, Plans, Goals, and Expectations Concerning Our Market Position, Future Operations, and Other Financial and Operating Information, which are forward-looking statements under the Federal Securities Law.
Speaker Change: Only and will include statements related to our financial outlook for both the second quarter and full year 2025, and the assumptions and drivers underlying such guidance our anticipated number of clients in covered lives for 2025, the demand for our solutions our expectations for our selling season for 2026 launches anticipated employing.
Speaker Change: Levels of our clients and the industries that we serve the timing of client decisions are expected utilization rates and mix the potential benefits of our solution.
Speaker Change: Our ability to acquire new clients and retain and upsell existing clients, our market opportunity and our business strategy plans goals and expectations concerning our market position future operations and other financial and operating information, which are forward looking statements under the federal Securities law actual results may differ materially from those contained in or imply.
James Hart: Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business, as well as other important factors. For discussion of the material risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other important factors that could impact our actual results, please refer to our SEC filings in today's press release, both of which can be found on our Investor Relations website. Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events.
Speaker Change: Led by these forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business as well as other important factors for a discussion of the material risks uncertainties assumptions and other important factors that could impact our actual results. Please refer to our SEC filings and today's press release, both of which can be found on our investor relations website any forward.
Speaker Change: Looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. During the call. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin on incremental revenue more information about these non-GAAP financial measures, including.
James Hart: During the call, we will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin and incremental revenue. More information about these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations with the most comparable GAAP measures, are available in the press release, which is available at investors.progyny.com.
Pete: Tiliaceous with the most comparable GAAP measures are available in the press release, which is available at investors that progeny dot com I would now like to turn the call over to Pete.
Peter Anevski: I would now like to turn the call over to Pete. Thanks, Jamie. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. I'm pleased to report we've had a good start to the year, double-digit growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA over the prior year period, yielding record quarterly results for both of those, as well as gross margin expansion and the generation of significant quarterly cash In addition, we also made meaningful progress in laying the foundation for future growth through both our channel partnerships as well as the previously announced investments to expand our product portfolio and platform, enhance our member experience, and extend our leading position in women's health and family building.
Pete: Thanks, Jamie Thanks, everyone for joining us today.
Pete: I'm pleased to report we've had a good start to the year double digit growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA over the prior year period yields.
Pete: Yielding record quarterly results for both of those as well as gross margin expansion and the generation of significant quarterly cash flow.
Pete: In addition, we also made meaningful progress in laying the foundation for future growth through both our channel partnerships as well as the previously announced investments to expand our pilot product portfolio and platform enhance our member experience and extend our leading position in women's health and family building.
Peter Anevski: As the second quarter begins, we're seeing that member engagement remains consistent with first quarter levels, both in terms of utilization as well as art cycle consumption.
Pete: As the second quarter begins we're seeing that member engagement remains consistent with first quarter levels. Both in terms of utilization as well as art cycle consumption.
Peter Anevski: Following this strong start, we're pleased to be able to raise our full year guide. The guidance for the remainder of the year continues to reflect a range of engagement and activity, taking into account both what we experienced in 2024, as well as the uncertainty in the macro environment, which Mark will detail for you shortly. The forces driving member demand are reflected in the latest market data. CDC recently reported that birth rates for women 25 and younger are now at record lows while the rates for women between 30 and 44 continue to increase. Put that into perspective, although the absolute number of babies born in the U.S.
Pete: Following the strong start we're pleased to be able to raise our full year guidance.
Mark: The guidance for the remainder of the year continues to reflect a range of engagement and activity taking into account both what we experienced in 2024 as well as the uncertainty in the macro environment, which mark will detail for you shortly.
Mark: The forces driving member demand are reflected in the latest market data.
Mark: The CDC recently reported that birth rates for women 25, and younger are now at record lows, while the rates for women between 30% and 44 continue to increase.
Mark: To put that into perspective, although the absolute number of babies born in the U S was down nearly 8% over the last 10 years number of babies born to women 30 or over was up 15%.
Peter Anevski: was down nearly 8% over the last 10 years, the number of babies born to women 30 or over was up 15%. This divergence has been happening for decades now, literally, and it clearly shows that people are increasingly deferring family building to later in life. The different statistic that sharply highlights the significance of this shift is that more than 51% of all births in the U.S. now come from women aged 30 or older. Not even a generation ago, it was closer to one third. That's a massive difference over a relatively short period of time and illustrates how for many family building has moved out of our 20s and into our 30s and beyond.
Mark: This divergence has been happening for decades now literally in.
Mark: And it clearly shows that people are increasingly deferring family building till later in life.
Mark: Different statistic that sharply highlights the significance of this shift is that more than 51% of all births in the U S. Now come from women, aged 30 year older not even a generation ago. It was closer to one third.
Mark: That's a massive difference over a relatively short period of time and illustrates how for many family building has moved out of our twenties and ensure thirty's and beyond.
Peter Anevski: The biological reality is that natural conception does become more difficult as we age, which helps to explain the increasing prevalence of infertility across our society, as well as the greater need for medical care and support.
Mark: The biological reality is that natural conception does become more difficult as we age which helps to explain the increasing prevalence of infertility across our society as well as the greater need for medical care and support.
Peter Anevski: And the consequences of this shift reach even further. As maternal age increases, employers often see increases in their maternity costs as well, given that age is a contributing factor to high-risk pregnancies, high-risk deliveries, and ongoing neonatal care. Employers can proactively manage these risks through Progyny's comprehensive solution. Our maternity solution, for example, focuses on whole-person care and high-cost claims avoidance through high-touch clinical management, ensuring that the right care gets delivered to the member at the time that's right for them. This then naturally extends into perimenopause and menopause, where early intervention and specialized symptom management can significantly improve the employee's quality of life, while also avoiding unnecessary costs for the employers from unproductive rounds of care.
Mark: And the consequences of this shift reach even further as maternal age increases employers often see increases in their material cost as well given that age is a contributing factor to high risk pregnancies high risk deliveries and ongoing neonatal care.
Mark: Employers can proactively manage these risks through project these comprehensive solutions.
Mark: Our maternity solution. For example focuses on whole person care and high cost claims avoidance through high touch clinical management, ensuring that the right care gets delivered to the member at the time, that's right for that.
Mark: This is a naturally extends into peri menopause and met a pause where early intervention and specialized symptom management can significantly improve the employees quality of life, while also avoiding unnecessary cost for the employers from unproductive rounds of care.
Mark: Yeah.
Peter Anevski: At this time of year, HR leaders have begun to consider their near and long-term benefit strategies, determining what their employee populations need and evaluating solutions to address what's most critical. Given the backdrop I just described, it isn't surprising to see that women's health continues to be a priority for all types of employers. One reason is that employers recognize the commitment they've made with the workforce to provide health care coverage for the diseases and conditions affecting them. Another is the employment market remains highly competitive, and employers want to recruit and retain the best possible talent. This can be seen in the most recent jobs report.
Mark: At this time of year HR leaders have begun to consider their near and long term benefit strategies determining what their employee populations need and evaluating solutions to address what's most critical.
Mark: Given the backdrop I just described it isn't surprising to see that women's health continues to be a priority for all types of employers.
Mark: One reason is that employers recognize the commitment they've made with the workforce to provide healthcare coverage for the diseases and conditions affecting them.
Mark: Another is the employment market remains highly competitive and employers want to recruit and retain the best possible talent.
Mark: This can be seen in the most recent jobs report.
Peter Anevski: The economy has added nearly 600,000 jobs. just since January, which comes on top of the 2 million created in 2024. And the unemployment rate has remained at or around 4% for nearly a year. And digging into this more specifically, even though our client base is exceptionally well diversified across 45 different industries, the sectors of the economy that have been driving much of this job growth over the past year, including healthcare, transportation, financial services and manufacturing. have been ongoing areas of strength for us.
Mark: Economy has added nearly 600000 jobs.
Mark: Just since January which comes on top of the 2 million created in 2024 and the unemployment rate has remained at or around 4% for nearly a year.
Mark: Digging into this more specifically, even though our client base is exceptionally well diversified across 45 different industries. The sectors of the economy that have been driving much of this job growth over the past year, including health care transportation financial services and manufacturing.
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Peter Anevski: And while past success isn't necessarily a predictor of the future, we enter this season feeling well positioned, and at this point in the year, we're pleased with the level of activity and engagement we've seen thus far. Pipeline in terms of dollars and number of opportunities is comparable to where it was a year ago, even though the average number of lives is lower at this point. The comparable dollars versus prior year are due to the composition of industries and utilization profiles for those prospects. Contacts pipeline is still building at this time of year and historically continues to do so through the third quarter.
Mark: While past success isn't necessarily a predictor of the future. We entered this season feeling well positioned at this point in the year, we're pleased with the level of activity and engagement we've seen thus far.
Mark: Pipeline in terms of dollars and number of opportunities is comparable to where it was a year ago, even though the average number of lives is lower at this point.
Mark: The comparable dollars versus prior year are due to the composition of industries and utilization profiles for those prospects.
Mark: Context pipeline is still building at this time of year and historically continues to do so through the third quarter.
Peter Anevski: We create pipeline through a number of channels, including our partner relationships, which now includes Cigna as our first national health plan, as well as a number of large regional plans, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama, as well as our longstanding partners, CVS and Evernote. New pipeline is also built through conferences, events, inbounds from the benefit consultants, and direct outreach. Early commitments thus far are comparable to prior years. In every season, our earliest sales activity tends to be driven mostly by the not-nows that have carried over from the prior year.
Mark: We create pipeline through a number of channels, including our partner relationships, which now include Cigna as our first national Health plan as well as a number of large regional plans such as Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina, and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama, as well as our long standing partners Cvs an aberrant.
Mark: New pipeline is also built through conferences events inbounds from the benefit consultants and direct outreach.
Mark: Early commitments, thus far are comparable to prior year.
Mark: And every season, our earliest sales activity tends to be driven mostly by the not knows that have carried over from the prior year.
Peter Anevski: That's been the case this year as well. These are companies who may have had competing priorities that prevented them from making a decision about the benefit last year, but who are in a better position to do so now. And while new sales are important to our growth, so too is expanding our relationship with existing clients. In any given year, we've typically seen 20 to 25 percent of the base take additional services with us, such as Progyny RX, additional smart cycles, or other fertility services such as donor tissue. Last year, 30% of the base expanded in some way, with the increment being driven by our newest services in maternity, postpartum, and menopause.
Mark: That's been the case this year as well.
Mark: These are companies, who may have had competing priorities that prevented them from making a decision about the benefit last year, but who are in a better position to do so now.
Mark: And while new sales are important to our growth so too is expanding our relationship with existing clients.
Mark: In any given year, we've typically seen 20% 25% of the base take additional services with us such as progeny Rx additional smart cycles or other fertility services such as donor tissue.
Mark: Last year, 30% of the base expanded in some way with the increment being driven by our newest services and materials postpartum in menopause.
Mark: Yeah.
Peter Anevski: We are in our first year with these programs and are pleased with the enthusiasm we're seeing in the market. Though these services are expected to contribute up to 10% of revenue by 2028, we aren't expecting a meaningful contribution in the near term while we continue to penetrate our base and build awareness. Nonetheless, we believe these services over time will meaningfully increase the diversity in our portfolio and deepen our relationship with clients. So far in 2025, we've expanded the solution even further, adding dual services to our comprehensive maternity offering and launching a parent and child wellbeing program to provide one-on-one guidance for child development, return to work assistance, and support work-life balance.
Mark: We are in our first year with these programs and are pleased with the enthusiasm we're seeing in the market.
Mark: Though these services are expected to contribute up to 10% of revenue by 2028, we are expecting a meaningful contribution in the near term, while we continue to penetrate our base and build awareness.
Nonetheless, we believe these services over time will meaningfully increase the diversity in our portfolio and deepen our relationship with clients.
Mark: So far in 2025, we've expanded the solution, even further adding to our services to our comprehensive maternity offering and.
And launching a parent child wellbeing program to provide one on one guidance for child development return to work assistance and support work life balance.
Peter Anevski: In short, for this renewal and upsell season, we're in market with a broader portfolio of services that enable employers to customize a robust women's health benefits strategy.
Mark: In short for this renewal and upsell season, we're in market with a broader portfolio of services that enable employers to customize a robust women's health benefit strategy.
Mark Livingston: Let me now turn the call over to Mark to walk you through the quarter. Mark.
Mark: Let me now turn the call over to Mark to walk you through the quarter Mark. Thank you Pete and good afternoon, everyone I'll begin with our first quarter results and then provide our expectations for the second quarter and full year.
Mark Livingston: Thank you, Pete, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with our first quarter results and then provide our expectations for the second quarter and full year. First quarter revenue grew 16.5% to $324 million, primarily due to an increase in the number of clients and covered lives as compared to a year ago. The growth rate this quarter was somewhat enhanced by the unfavorable treatment mix shift that we highlighted to you a year ago. Though this was short lasting and only impacted the first quarter last year, there was a negative $15 million impact as we disclosed to you at the time.
Mark: First quarter revenue grew 16, 5% to $324 million, primarily due to an increase in the number of clients in covered lives as compared to a year ago.
Mark: The growth rate this quarter was somewhat enhanced by the unfavorable treatment mix shifts that we highlighted to you a year ago.
Mark: This was short lasting and only impacted the first quarter last year, there was a negative $15 million impact as we disclosed to you at the time.
Mark Livingston: If we were to normalize for this $15 million, revenue this quarter still grew at a double digit rate. As discussed last quarter, revenue for the first half of 2025 will include a large former client who is provided for an extended transition period for members meeting certain criteria. In the first quarter, this contributed approximately $31 million, slightly more than the approximately $28 to $30 million that we had anticipated. Excluding the impact of this client from both 2024 and 2025, first quarter revenue increased 19%. If we further normalize the year-ago period for the $15 million in unfavorable mix from the prior year, revenue this quarter increased more than 12%.
Mark: If we were to normalize for this $15 million revenue this quarter still grew at a double digit rate as.
Mark: As discussed last quarter revenue for the first half of 2025 will include a large former client who has provided for an extended transition period for members meeting certain criteria.
Mark: In the first quarter. This contributed approximately $31 million slightly more than the approximately $28 million to $30 million that we hadn't anticipated.
Mark: Excluding the impact of this client from both 2024 and 2025.
Mark: First quarter revenue increased 19%.
Mark: If we further normalize the year ago period for the $15 million.
Mark: And unfavorable mix from the prior year revenue this quarter increased more than 12% in.
Mark Livingston: In short, whichever way you prefer to look at it, this year has begun with solid growth in our core business. As of March 31st, we had 532 clients with at least 1,000 lives, representing an average of 6.7 million covered lives in the quarter. This is consistent with what we had expected coming out of the most recent selling season. I'll note that members this quarter do not include the large client under the Transition of Care Agreement. This compares to 451 clients and an average of 6.35 million covered lives in the first quarter a year ago, highlighting how, even with the loss of that large client, our member base is still up year over year, as expected, reinforcing both the scale of the business as well as our diversification.
Mark: In short whichever way you prefer to look at it this year has begun with solid growth in our core business.
Mark: As of March 31, we had 532 clients with at least 1000 lives representing an average of $6 7 million covered lives in the quarter. This is consistent with what we had expected coming out of the most recent selling season.
Mark: Note that members this quarter do not include the large client under the transition of care agreement.
Mark: This compares to 451 clients and an average of 635 million covered lives in the first quarter a year ago, highlighting how even with the loss of that large client. Our member base is still up year over year as expected reinforcing both the scale of the business as well as our diversification.
Mark Livingston: Substantial majority of our newest clients and lives, one in the 2024 selling season, have already launched at this point.
Mark: The substantial majority of our newest clients and lives one in the 2020 for selling season have already launched at this point and there were a handful of relatively small clients are expected to launch in Q2 and Q3.
Mark Livingston: And though a handful of relatively small clients are expected to launch in Q2 and Q3. Turning now to our member engagement metrics, female utilization was 0.46% in the quarter, consistent with the first quarter a year ago. Utilization this quarter does not include the large client under the Transition of Care Agreement as only a limited number of members meeting certain criteria are eligible to use the benefit, which is not comparable and compatible with how we report the members from every other client. Of course, this client's volume is reflected in our reported ART cycles, which will also enable you to continue modeling our volumes and revenue as you've always On that basis, ART cycles this quarter were 16,160, which is our highest quarterly total ever and reflects 9% growth over the year-ago period.
Mark: Turning now to our member engagement metrics female utilization was <unk> four 6% in the quarter consistent with the first quarter a year ago.
Mark: Utilization this quarter does not include the large client under the transition of care agreement as only a limited number of members meeting certain criteria are eligible to use the benefit which is not comparable and compatible with how we report the numbers from every other clients.
Mark: Of course this client's volume is reflected in our reported <unk> cycles, which will also enable you to continue modeling our volumes and revenue as <unk> always done.
Mark: On that basis art cycles. This quarter were 16160, which is our highest quarterly total ever and reflects 9% growth over the year ago period.
Mark Livingston: Today's press release includes a table to also report art cycles per unique female utilizer. You'll see 0.45, excuse me, you'll see 0.51 in the first quarter, which is consistent with how 2022 and 2023 began, though down slightly as expected from how 2024 began. As one measure that we're seeing engagement return to more typical levels, I'd highlight that the year-over-year differential in ART cycles per unique has been lessening. For example, in Q3 of last year, this metric was 0.52, which was four basis points below where it was in Q3 of 2023 at 0.56. Then, as of this most recent quarter, that year-over-year differential halves to two bases.
Mark: Today's press release includes a table to also report art cycles per unique female utilize there.
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Mark: Excuse me Youll see 0.51 in the first quarter, which is consistent with how 2022 and 2023 began.
Mark: Though down slightly as expected from how 2020 core began.
Mark: As one measure that we're seeing engagement returned to more typical levels.
Mark: Highlight that the year over year differential and art cycles per NIE per unique has been lessening for example in Q3 of last year. This metric was 0.52, which was four basis points below where it was in Q3 of 2023 at 0.56.
Mark: Then as of this most recent quarter that year over year differential pads to two basis points.
Mark Livingston: 0.51 this quarter versus 0.53 in the year ago period. With respect to the components of the top line, fertility revenue increased 22% in the quarter to $206 million, while pharmacy revenue increased 9% to $118 million. The differential in growth rates reflects a comparatively lower proportion of treatments requiring a pharmacy component versus the prior year period. which you can also see reflected in the lower art cycles per unit.
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Mark: With respect to the components of the topline fertility revenue increased 22% in the quarter to $206 million, while pharmacy revenue increased 9% to $118 million.
Mark: The differential in growth rates reflects a comparatively lower proportion of treatments, requiring a pharmacy component versus the prior year period.
Mark: You can also see reflected in the lower art cycles per unique.
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Mark Livingston: Turning now to our margins and operating expenses. Gross profit increased 21% from the first quarter last year to $76 million. This yielded a 23.4% gross margin, an improvement from the 22.4% margin in the prior year period due to the impact of the unfavorable mixed shift in the year-ago period as well as some other timing items. For the full year, we expect gross margin expansion over 2024, although not quite at the same level as we saw in Q1, due to additional hiring and other investments contemplated in the plan. Sales and marketing expense was 5.5% of revenue, reflecting a modest improvement from the year ago period, as our economies and scale are helping to offset the investments we're making to expand our go-to-market resources and channel partnership relations.
Turning now to our margins in operating expenses. [inaudible]
Mark: Gross profit increased 21% from the first quarter last year to 76 million. This yielded a 23.4% gross margin and improvement from the 22.4% margin in the prior year period due to the impact of the unfavorable mixed shift in the year ago period as well as some other timing items. [inaudible]
Mark: For the full year, we expect gross margin expansion over 2024, although not quite at the same level as we saw in Q1 due to additional hiring and other investments contemplated in the plan.
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Mark: Sales and marketing expense was 5.5% of revenue, reflecting a modest improvement from the year ago period, as our economies and scale are helping to offset the investments we're making to expand our go-to-market resources and channel partnership relationships.
Mark Livingston: G&A was 10.4% in the quarter, slightly higher than the first quarter a year ago, reflecting the previously disclosed investments we've begun to make to expand our product platform and integrate our research. We expect these investments will continue to ramp in the second quarter and continue over the remainder of the year. Although dollars of adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to $58 million, the impact of our investments is seen, as expected, in the adjusted EBITDA margin, which declined modestly from the year-ago period to 17.8%. Net income was $15.1 million, or $0.17 per diluted share in the quarter. This compared to net income of $16.9 million, or $0.17 per share in the year-ago period.
GNA was 10.4% in the quarter. [inaudible]
Mark: slightly higher than the first quarter a year ago, reflecting the previously disclosed investments we've begun to make to expand our product platform and integrate our research. We expect these investment investments will continue to ramp in the second quarter and can keep you over the remainder of the year.
Mark: Although dollars of adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to 58 million, the impact of our investments is seen as expected in the adjusted EBITDA margin, which declined modestly from the year ago period to 17.8%.
Mark: Net income was 15.1 million or 17 cents per diluted share in the quarter. This compared to net income with 16.9 million or 17 points cents per share in the year ago period.
Mark Livingston: The decrease was primarily due to a higher provision for income taxes, including the impact of discrete tax items, which more than offset the higher operating profitability. Adjusted EPS was $0.48 in the quarter, which compares to $0.39 in the year-ago period.
Mark: The decrease was primarily due to a higher provision for income taxes, including the impact of discrete tax items, which more than offset the higher operating profitability.
Mark: Adjusted EPS was 48 cents in the quarter, which compares to 39 cents in the year of period.
Mark Livingston: Turning now to our cash flow and balance sheet, we generated nearly $50 million of operating cash flow in the first quarter, nearly double the prior year period. The increase is due to the higher profitability, as well as the timing of certain working capital items in both periods, and reflects our high rate of conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow. Looking beyond operating cash flow, you'll see we incurred $2 million in incremental CapEx this quarter as compared to the year-ago period. This was expected and reflects the investments we described to you last quarter in our member experience at Acquisition Integrations.
Mark: Turning now to our cash flow and balance sheet, we generated nearly 50 million of operating cash flow in the first quarter, nearly double the prior year period. The increase is due to the higher profitability as well as the timing of certain working capital items in both periods and reflects our high rate of conversion of adjusted EBITDA to operating cash flow.
Mark: Looking beyond operating cash low, you'll see we incurred 2 million in incremental capex this quarter as compared to the year ago period. This was expected and reflects the investments we described to you last quarter in our member experience at acquisition integration activities.
Mark Livingston: We continue to expect the incremental capex for these projects to be approximately $15 million over our 2024 budget. As of March 31st, we had total working capital of $331 million, reflecting $256 million in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, and no debt. As compared to the year ago period, DSO improved by 14 days, reflecting our ongoing discipline in revenue cycle management. Though DSO did increase, as usual, on a sequential basis, due to the ordinary seasonality that we see at the beginning of the year, driven by the timing of treatments, client starts, and other factors.
Mark: We continue to expect the incremental capex for these projects to be approximately $15 million over our 2024 Span.
Mark: As of March 31st, we had total working capital of $331 million, reflecting $256 million in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, and no debt.
Mark: As compared to the year ago period, DSO improved by 14 days, reflecting our ongoing discipline in Revenue Cycle Management.
Mark: Though DSO did increase, as usual, on a sequential basis due to the ordinary seasonality that we see at the beginning of the year, driven by the timing of treatments, client starts, and other factors.
Mark Livingston: Turning now to our expectations for the second quarter in the year. As the second quarter begins, we've continued to see member engagement at levels that are consistent with the historical range. Nevertheless, given the unexpected variability we experienced at certain times in 2024, the assumptions we're making today reflect the possibility that we'll see further variability in activity and treatments in the future. As you can see in the table on the last page of today's press release, we continue to expect that full year utilization will remain at 1.02 percent at the low end and 1.04 percent at the high end.
Mark: Turning now to our expectations for the second quarter in the year. As the second quarter begins, we've continued to see member engagement at levels that are consistent with the historical range.
Mark: Nevertheless, given the unexpected variability we experience that certain times in 2024, the assumptions we're making today reflect the possibility that we'll see further variability in activity and treatments in the future.
Mark: As you can see in the table on the last page of today's press release, we continue to expect that full year utilization will remain at 1.02% at the low end and 1.04% at the high end.
Mark Livingston: In terms of consumption, even though the year has begun slightly better than we had originally expected, we're maintaining our assumption on our cycles per unique at 0.89 at the low end of the range and 0.91 at the high end. With these assumptions, we're projecting between $310 million to $325 million in second quarter revenue, reflecting growth of 2% to 7%. This includes between $12.7 million and $14.7 million in contribution from the client under the transition of care arrangements. If we exclude that client's contribution from both periods, second quarter revenue growth is expected to be between 11 and 16 percent.
Mark: In terms of consumption, even though the year has begun slightly better than we had originally expected, we're maintaining our assumption on our cycles per unique at 0.89 at the low end of the range, and 0.91 at the high end.
Mark: With these assumptions, we're projecting between 310 to 325 million in second quarter revenue, reflecting growth of 2 to 7 percent. This includes between 12.7 million and 14.7 million in contribution from the client under the transition of care arrangement.
Mark: If we exclude that client's contribution from both periods, second quarter revenue growth is expected to be between 11 and 16 percent.
Mark Livingston: On profitability, we expect between $49 million to $53 million in adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter, along with net income of between $11.5 million to $14.5 million. This equates to $0.13 and $0.16 of earnings per share or $0.40 and $0.43 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 91 million fully diluted shares.
Mark: On profitability, we expect between 49 to 53 million in adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter, along with net income of between 11 and a half to 14 and a half million.
Mark: This equates to 13 cents and 16 cents of earnings per share or 40 cents and 43 cents of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 91 million fully diluted shares.
Mark Livingston: Given our strong start to the year, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our full year guidance. We now project revenue of between $1.185 to $1.235 billion, reflecting growth of between 1.5% and 5.8%. This assumes a contribution of $44 million to $46 million of revenue from the large client under the Transition of Care Agreement. If we exclude that client from both years, our full-year revenue growth is estimated to be 11 to 15 percent. We also expect between $190 million to $203 million in adjusted EBITDA with net income of between $42.4 million to $51.8 million.
Mark: Given our strong start to the year, we're pleased to be in a position to raise our full-year guidance. We now project revenue between 1.185 to 1.235 billion, reflecting growth of between 1.5% and 5.8%.
Mark: This assumes a contribution of 44 to 46 million of revenue from the large client under the transition of care agreement.
Mark: If we exclude that client from both years, our full year revenue growth is estimated to be 11 to 15 percent.
Mark: We also expect between 190 to 203 million in adjusted EBITDA with net income of between 42.4 and 51.8 million.
Mark Livingston: This equates to $0.46 and $0.56 earnings per diluted share and $1.54 and $1.64 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 92 million fully diluted shares for the year.
Mark: This equates to 46 cents and 56 cents earnings per diluted share, and $1.54 and $1.64 of adjusted EPS on the basis of approximately 92 million fully diluted shares for the year.
James Hart: And with that, we'd like to now open the call for questions. Operator, can you please provide the instru- Thank you very much.
Mark: And with that, we'd like to now open the call for questions. Operator, can you please provide the instructions?
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Anne Samuel: Please wait a moment whilst we poll Your first question is coming from Anne Samuel of J. and Yola. Great, thanks.
Mark: Thank you very much. Your first question is coming from Anne Samuel of JP Morgan and your line is life.
Peter Anevski: Congrats on the great print tonight. And Pete, congratulations on your Time Magazine recognition. Really great to see, you know, the emphasis there on fertility benefits as well. If I were to look at, you know, historical seasonality of cycles per utilizer, you know, you tend to have a step up in 2Q from 1Q. But, you know, when we look at the guide, it implies, you know, kind of a more similar rate in 2Q to 1Q. So I was just curious, is that, you know, kind of to account for some of the uncertainty that you mentioned? Or is there something else going on that might change, you know, kind of the how we should be thinking about the normal seasonality of utilization?
Anne Samuel: Great, thanks. Congrats on the great print tonight and peak. Congratulations on your time magazine recognition, really great to see the emphasis there on fertility benefits as well.
Speaker Change: If I were to look at, you know, historical seasonality of cycles per utilizer, you know, you tend to have a step up in 2Q from 1Q. But, you know, when we look at the guide, it implies, you know, kind of a more similar rate in 2Q to 1Q. So, I was just curious, is that, you know, kind of to account for some of the uncertainty that you mentioned?
Speaker Change: Or is there something else going on that might change kind of the how should you be thinking about the normal seasonality of utilization?
Peter Anevski: Hi, Annie, and thanks so much. Yeah, we're excited for the recognition. We're proud of what we're doing here. So it's great to see that. As it relates to your question, it is more around, you know, having the guidance reflect the uncertainty than it is something that we're seeing, is the simple answer. helpful.
Speaker Change: Hi, Annie, and thanks so much. We're excited for the recognition. We're proud of what we're doing here, so it's great to see that. As it relates to your question, it is more around having the guidance reflect the uncertainty than it is something that we're seeing.
unknown: Thank you.
Mark Livingston: And then maybe just one more, you know, you called out the gross margin expansion this quarter, and it was up really nicely.
It's a simple answer.
Annie: Hopeful, thank you. And then maybe just for more, you know, you called out the gross margin expansion this quarter and it was up really nicely, which is wondering, you know, can you speak to the drivers there and just how we should be thinking about that line for the rest of the year. Thanks.
Mark Livingston: I was just wondering, you know, can you speak to the drivers there and just how we should be thinking about that line for the rest? Yeah, so as I said in my prepared comments, I think you have to take into consideration last year was a bit suppressed given the revenue shortfall from the mix issue. Again, we typically are leveraging, you know, our internal folks, as revenue grows, and that was an unexpected reduction in revenue. So we were a bit suppressed last year. And we had a good quarter this year.
Annie: Yeah, so, yeah, as I said in my prepared comments, I think you have to take into consideration last year was a bit suppressed given the revenue shortfall from the mix issue. Again, we typically are leveraging.
Annie: Our internal folks, as revenue grows, and that was an unexpected reduction.
Annie: So we were a bit suppressed last year. And we had a good quarter this year. I think, again, as we continue to, you know, make some of the investments that we've been highlighting, a portion of those do actually hit in our cost of services area and will, you know, bring gross margins down. We haven't necessarily guided to a...
Mark Livingston: I think, again, as we continue to make some of the investments that we've been highlighting, a portion of those do actually hit in our cost of services area and will, you know, bring gross margins down. We haven't necessarily guided to a specific number for the year, but we do expect it to expand for the full year versus the full year of 24. I hope that's clear. Very helpful. Thank you.
Annie: specific number for the year, but we do expect it to expand for the full year versus the full year of 24. I hope that's helpful.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Jailendra Singh: Your next question is coming from Jailendra Singh of... Thank you and congrats on a strong quote and congrats Pete on the recognition. I want to follow up on your comments around the 2026 selling season. I know you guys noted that it is still early and the most sales, most of sales have been not now from last year.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Jailendra Singh of tourist securities. Jailendra, your line is life.
Jalendra Singh: Thank you and congrats on a strong quote and congrats Pete on the recognition. I want to follow up on your comments around the 2026 selling season. I know you guys noted that it is still early and the most sales, most of sales have been not now from last year, but outside of that are you seeing any indications of employers putting the RFP process on hold, things taking longer, which could mean the decision making could be a little delayed this year and related to that you also
Michael Sturmer: But outside of that, are you seeing any indications of employers putting the RFP process on hold, things taking longer, which could mean the decision making could be a little delayed this year? And related to that, you also talked about the sales goal for the year. Is your sales goal similar to your historical target of adding as many lives to the year prior? Of course, it's 1.1 million lives, excluding Amazon.
Jalendra Singh: Talk about the sales goal for the year. Is your sales goal similar to your historical target of adding as many lives of the year prior? Of course, it's 1.1 million lives excluding Amazon. Thank you very much.
Michael Sturmer: Yeah, hey, it's, it's Michael. Thanks for the question. So, so first, yeah, our sales goal is the same as every year of it, you know, we're trying to bring on as much new business as we can. And as we said on an investor day last summer, we're targeting at least to add a million new lives. So that's unchanged. You know, as for the pipeline, you sort of referenced it. It certainly is early and there's, you know, certainly a lot more pipeline months ahead of us that we continue to bring on new opportunities. And important sort of from a comparable perspective, the number of opportunities and dollars are comparable to prior year, while we're seeing the average lives of lagging a little bit over from last year.
Jalendra Singh: Yeah, hey, it's Michael. Thanks for the question. So first, yeah, I'll show sales goal is the same as in every year, we're trying to bring on as much new business as we can.
Jalendra Singh: And as we said on an investor day last summer, we're targeting at least to add a million new lives.
Mark, each year.
So that's unchanged
Jalendra Singh: You know, as for the pipeline you sort of reference it, it certainly is early and there's, you know, certainly a lot more pipeline months ahead of us that we continue to bring on new opportunities and important sort of from a comparable perspective. Thank you.
Jalendra Singh: The number of opportunities and dollars are comparable to prior year while we're seeing the average lives of lagging a little bit over from last year.
Michael Sturmer: That could be a lot of factors. As I said, it could be the timing. Certainly some of the macroeconomic environment aspects could be driving a little bit of that and a little bit of uncertainty in some businesses. But, but we're certainly seeing, you know, a wide array. diversity within within employers that we have in the pipeline. Yeah, specifically to your question, we were not seeing a slowdown in or sort of pauses, if you will, the way you were describing it in, in RFP activities or sort of processes that are started that that's not what we're seeing.
Jalendra Singh: That could be a lot of factors as it could be the timing. Certainly some of the macro environment, macro economic environment aspects could be driving a little bit of that and a little bit of uncertainty in some businesses.
Jalendra Singh: But, but we're certainly seeing, you know, a wide array and diversity within.
and within employers that we have in the pipe.
Jalendra Singh: Yeah, it's specifically to your question, we're not seeing a slowdown or sort of pause as if you were the way you were describing it in RFP activities or sort of processes that are started, that's not what we're seeing.
Michael Sturmer: And so I just wanted to make sure we just, you know, answered that question specifically.
Jalendra Singh: and so I just wanted to make sure we just, you know, entered that question specifically.
Michael Sturmer: Okay, and then my follow up, I want to ask about the 16.3% incremental adjusted EBITDA margin on incremental revenue in the quarter. Can you share some thoughts on that metric? Where do you see that metric trending near term? And how do you think about the path to getting that metric back to that historical 20% plus lump? Yes, so we had talked about it in our at our previous call a year and when we put out our guidance for the year overall, the the expectation for this year in particular, due to the incremental investment that is going to hit the P&L, as well as incremental investment, which we call that that'll be higher capex is, you know, I'll call it one time-ish, if you will, right.
Jalendra Singh: Okay, and then my follow up, I want to ask about the 16.3% incremental adjusted EBDA margin on incremental revenue in the quarter. Can you share some thoughts on that metric? Where do you see that metric trending near term? And how do you think about the past to getting that metric back to that historical 20% plus longer term?
Yes, so we talked about it at our...
Jalendra Singh: previous call it a year and a half when we put out our guidance.
Jalendra Singh: for the year overall. The expectation for this year, in particular due to the incremental investment.
Jalendra Singh: That is going to hit the P&L, as well as incremental investment, which we call that, that will be higher cap ex.
Jalendra Singh: is, you know, I'll call it one-time issue, if you will, right? So, over 15 million of…
Michael Sturmer: So overall, 15 million of of incremental P&L expense relative to the investments in the platform and the product expansion and the investments in, in the acquisitions that we've made is going to hit the P&L this year makes a big difference relative to margin and incremental revenue. So when you talk about the short term, you know, that that's sort of how you should look at the year. But those are all really important initiatives that will continue to position us and and and hold our position as as the leader in the space.
of incremental P&L expense. [inaudible]
Jalendra Singh: Relative to the investments in the platform and the product expansion and the investments in...
Jalendra Singh: and acquisitions that we've made is going to hit the P&L this year, makes a big difference relative to more than an incremental revenue. So when you talk about the short term, you know, that's sort of how you should look at the year, but those are all really important initiatives that will continue to position us.
and hold our position as the leader in the space.
unknown: Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Michael Cherny of Lerent Partners. Michael, your line is life.
unknown: Cherny of Lyrinc Partners, Michael Yolanda. Good morning. Sorry, not good morning. Good afternoon.
unknown: This is Ahmed for Mike Cherny. Congrats on the great quarter.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Good morning. So I'm not going to run a good afternoon. This is Ahmed Alms for Mike Cherny. Congrats on the great quarter. If I could ask about the new modules that you've been adding, I appreciate the color you guys gave, but if you could double click on that which modules are getting the most interest right now.
Peter Anevski: If I could ask about the new modules that you've been adding. I appreciate the color you guys gave, but if we could double click on that, which modules are getting the most interest right now? We'd love to get any additional color and how you think about how they will eventually ramp longer term to your longer range targets. Yeah, I think, well, it depends on how you define interest. From a sales perspective, last year, and so for early this year, all the modules, if you will, are getting interest, where we had, you know, 20% of clients overall last year, and as the sales year starting this year, by one or more of the of the new modules as it relates to engagement with the modules, there's a higher level of engagement with the AdPause product.
Speaker Change: We'd love to get any additional color and how you think about how they will eventually ramp longer term to your longer range targets.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think, well, it depends on how you define interest from a sales perspective last year and so for early this year.
Speaker Change: All of the modules, if you will, are getting interest, where we had 20% of clients overall last year, and as the sales year is starting this year, buy one or more of the new modules. As it relates to engagement with the modules, there's a higher level of engagement.
Peter Anevski: And that reason for that is that it's a much larger addressable audience, vis-à-vis the maternity product.
Speaker Change: with the menopause product. And that reason for that is that it's a much larger, addressable audience vis-a-vis the maternity product. And so that's probably, that's the easiest answer.
unknown: And so that's probably, that's the easiest Got it.
unknown: Thank you.
David Larsen, David Larsen, David Larsen,
Michael Sturmer: And if I could ask another one, are you noticing any incremental concerns from employers in your conversations with them about 2026? I know you commented about the salary season, it's really early, but just any sort of hesitation there? I think, again, sort of, you know, as I was referencing earlier, You know, there's certainly. Opportunities and dollars are comparable to last year, and again, average lives are lagging a little bit. Again, it's hard to speculate at this time, but certainly there could be a little bit of the macro environment as a factor creating some uncertainty with some businesses, though it's certainly not all businesses.
Speaker Change: Thank you. And if I could ask another one, are you noticing any incremental? I don't know.
Speaker Change: Concerns from employers in your conversations with them about twenty-six. I know you commented about the cell disease and it's really early but...
just any sort of hesitation there?
Speaker Change: I think, again, sort of, you know, as I was referencing earlier,
You know, there's certainly...
Speaker Change: Opportunities and dollars are comparable to last year. And again, lives, our average lives are lagging a little bit. Again, it's hard to speculate at this time.
Speaker Change: But certainly there could be a little bit of the macro environment as a fact of creating some uncertainty with some businesses.
Michael Sturmer: And that's also why it's important as you look at with clients in over 45 different industries, that diversification really comes into play here, and we're seeing that in the pipeline.
Speaker Change: though it's certainly not all businesses. And that's also why it's important as you look at our book and with over clients in over 45 different industries, that diversification really comes into play here and we're seeing that in the pipeline as well.
unknown: Great, thank you.
unknown: Congrats. Just a reminder, Estelle. You can join the queue now.
Great, thank you, congrats.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much. Just a reminder, if there are any remaining questions, you can join the queue now by pressing star one on your phone keypad.
David Larsen: Dawon, Unknown Your next question is coming from David Larsen of... David, you're live. Hi, congratulations on the good quarter and the sort of resurgence in revenue growth. Can you talk about? Pat Harris on your book of business. Could that possibly increase your cost of goods for your members for like the specialty medications or not? And would you be able to sort of pass those along to customers or not? Just any color there in terms of your own cost base and then what you might be hearing from clients, customers, health plans. Is this even a topic of discussion or not?
David Larson: Your next question is coming from David Larsen of BTIG. David, your line is right.
David Larson: Hi, congratulations on the good quarter and the sort of resurgence and revenue growth. Can you talk about?
Potential Repair Hariffs on your book of business.
David Larson: Could that possibly increase your cost of goods for your members, for like the specialty medications?
David Larson: Or not. And would you be able to sort of pass those along to customers or not? Just any color there in terms of your own cost base? And then what you might be hearing from clients, customers, health plans, is this even a topic of discussion or not? Thank you.
Michael Sturmer: Thank you. Relative to existing tariffs that are announced, not really an impact for us on costs. Relative to comments that are out there around potential tariffs on pharmaceuticals, based on what's been discussed to date, end-state drugs don't appear to be something that's being considered in terms of tariffs, but tariffs on potentially materials that go into drug manufacturing. So hard to say if it will have an impact. We do have flexibility in our arrangements with our clients, should there be an increase, but that's not the only lever that we have. We would also work with our industry partners to mitigate collectively the impact to plant sponsors is essentially how I think about it.
David Larson: Relative to existing tariffs that are announced, not really an impact for us on costs, relative to comments that are out there around potential tariffs on pharmaceuticals.
David Larson: Based on what's been discussed today, and state drugs don't appear to be something that's being considered in terms of tariffs, but tariffs on potentially materials that go into drug manufacturing.
So hard to say.
to how to say if they will have an impact. [inaudible]
David Larson: We do have flexibility in our arranges with our clients. Should there be an increase but that's not the only leave that we have? We would also work with our industry partners to mitigate collectively the impact to plan sponsors. Essentially how I think about it. [inaudible]
Michael Sturmer: Okay, and then just another quick one. It seems to me like with the 100 basis point increase in the unemployment rate that we saw last year or the last year and a half with rising interest rates, that may have been a factor in like the temporary slowdown in 24, but it seems to me like that's really stabilized now that we're post-election. Just any thoughts on Trump's views on fertility? I think he said he wanted health plans to cover IVF, just any thoughts there? Will that have an impact? Besides that, there's very little information being leaked or otherwise in terms of what direction that recommendation may go.
Thank you.
David Larson: Okay, and then just another quick one. It seems to me like with the 100 basis point increase in the unemployment rate that we saw last year or the last year and a half with rising interest rates.
David Larson: That may have been a faster in like the temporary slow down on 24, but it seems to me like that's really stable as now that we're post election. Thank you again.
Speaker Change: Just any thoughts on Trump's views on, you know, fertility, I think he said he wanted health plans to cover IVF, just any thoughts there, will that have an impact or not?
Thanks.
Speaker Change: both protecting access as well as addressing affordability. The readout from that Executive Order is expected, unless it moves, is expected May 19th.
Speaker Change: and so from that perspective, the spirit of the order is positive, relative to those two things.
Speaker Change: Besides that, there's very little information being leaked or otherwise in terms of what direction that recommendation may go.
Michael Sturmer: Hard for me to say, you know, how positive it may be or not relative to what that executive order would recommend. But it's recommendations, policy recommendations, it's not legislation as it sits now in terms of how the executive order was written. So we'll see what happens. But again, I start out with my first statement that the spirit of the order is positive relative to IVF. Okay, thanks very much. Congrats on a good quarter. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Hard for me to say, you know, how positive it may be or not.
Relative to what that Executive Order recommend.
Speaker Change: But it's recommendations, policy recommendations, it's not legislation as it sits now in terms of how the executive water was written. So we'll see what happens. But again, I start out with my first statement that the spirit of the order is positive relative to IVF.
Speaker Change: Okay, thanks very much. Congrats on a good quarter. I'll hop back on the queue. Thank you. Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Sarah James of Kanta Fitzgerald. Sarah, your line is live.
Sarah James: Your next question is coming from Sarah James. Sarah, your line Thank you. You mentioned not anticipating the gross margin beat to continue through the year due to investments, but given the size of the beat, it implies a pretty sizable investment. So could you go into a little bit more detail on what those are, how much is hiring, and what are the non-staff related investments? Yeah, so overall, we talked about the incremental investment related to both the platform as well as the product capabilities and expansion and the investments in the acquisitions to be, you know, that's going to hit the P&L to be roughly overall $15 million.
Sarah James: Thank you. You mentioned not anticipating the gross margin beat to continue through the year due to investments but given the size of a beat, it implies a pretty sizable investment. So could you go into a little bit more detail on what those are, how much is hiring and what are the non-staff related investments? Thank you.
So overall we talked about the incremental investment. Thank you very much.
related to both
Sarah James: The platform, as well as the product capabilities in the expansion and the investments in the acquisitions to be, you know, that's going to hit the P and L to be roughly overall 15 million.
Mark Livingston: You know, the details of it, I'm not sure, would be constructive relative to how much of that is hiring versus other things, but nonetheless, we had sized it and that number is still our estimate of the impact for this year.
Sarah James: The details of it, I'm not sure, would be constructive relative to how much of that is hiring versus other things but nonetheless we had sized it and that number is still our estimate of the impact for this year.
Mark Livingston: Got it.
Mark Livingston: And then one follow up on the tariff discussion. If there are tariffs on some of the ingredients, do you anticipate it could have any impact on the timing of drug shipments or availability? Again, without any more visibility into what might happen, I don't anticipate that. I'm not sure why a tariff might impact timing of shipments, but beyond that, I can't speculate.
Speaker Change: Got it. And then we won't follow up on the terrace discussion. If there are terraces on some of the ingredients, you anticipate it could have any impact on the timing of drug shipments or availability.
Speaker Change: Again, without any more visibility, it's what might happen. I don't anticipate that. I'm not sure why a tariff might impact timing of shipments.
unknown: Thank you very much.
Dev Wirasuriya: Our next question is coming from Dev Wirasuriya. Hey, thanks for taking my question.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much. Our next question is coming from Dev We're a Surrier and she's from Bank of America. Dev, your line is life.
Dev Wirasuriya: Devon here for Allen Lutz. I'm just trying to understand a little bit about, you know, pricing benefits, you know, in the guide and in the quarter here, could you just remind us, you know, how much, if at all, of a pricing benefit is expected, you know, in ART cycles for the year, what you're seeing here early on in Q1, and just maybe just, you know, that versus like typical inflation in IVF procedures and cost, you know, versus kind of historical ranges. And then I got one more follow up. Yeah, I think you're referring to the growth and how much of the growth is driven by price.
Speaker Change: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Devon here for Alan Lutz.
Speaker Change: I'm just trying to understand a little bit about pricing benefits in the guide and in the quarter here. Could you just remind us how much?
Speaker Change: If at all, of a pricing benefit is expected, you know, in articles for the year, what you're seeing here early on in Q1, and just maybe just, you know, that were sort of like typical inflation in IVF procedures and cost.
Speaker Change: You know, we're just kind of historical ranges. And then I got one more follow up. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I think you're referring to the growth and how much of the growth is driven by price, the answer is not really any.
Michael Sturmer: The answer is not really any. So it's all a function of of engagement and consumption and activity with the benefit as opposed to price.
So it's all a function of...
and Peter Anevski.
Speaker Change: Engagement and Consumption and Activity with the benefit as opposed to price.
Michael Sturmer: Okay, great. And is that it does the same hold for I guess, the pharmacy benefit? I'm just curious how you know, a drug price, you know, brand diversogenic inflation layers into that, you know, for the quarter, and I guess expectations for the year there as well. Thank you. Yes, but the pharmacy benefit, it's very, very little, there are moderate drug price increases to certain drugs that are incorporated in it. But again, the majority of it is due to, you know, the larger number of lives under management and the activity within those members.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Does the same hole for, I guess, the pharmacy benefit? I'm just curious how, you know, a drug price, you know, brand-aversogenic inflation.
Speaker Change: Layers into that, you know, for the quarter and I guess expectations for the year there as well. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yes, but the pharmacy benefit is very, very little. There are moderate drug price increases to certain drugs that are incorporated in it, but again the majority of it is due to the larger number of lives under management and the activity within those members.
unknown: Great, thank you. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Great, thank you.
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