Q1 2026 BlackBerry Ltd Earnings Call

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Martha Gonder: I would now like to turn the call over to Martha Gonder, Director of Investor Relations with BlackBerry. Thank you. You may be...

Martha Gonder: Thank you, Julian. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to BlackBerry's first quarter fiscal year 2026 earnings conference call. Joining me on today's call is BlackBerry's Chief Executive Officer, John Giamatteo, and Chief Financial Officer, Tim Foote.

Martha Gonder: After I read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements, John will provide a business update and Tim will review the financial results. We will then open the call for a brief Q&A session.

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Martha Gonder: As is customary during the call, John and Tim will reference non-GAAP numbers in their summary of our quarterly results. For a reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP numbers, please see the earnings price release published earlier today, which is available on EdGert, CedarPlus, and BlackBerry.com websites.

John Giamatteo: And with that, let me now turn the call over to John. Thanks, Martha, and thanks to everyone for joining today's call. We made a very solid start to fiscal year 2026, with our results beating the top end of guidance almost entirely across the board. Total company revenue for the quarter was stronger than expected, beating guidance at $121.7 million. BlackBerry delivered solid profitability with adjusted EBITDA growing over 55% year-over-year and beating the top end of the guidance range at $16.4 million. Likewise, non-GAAP earnings per share beat guidance at positive two cents. And despite seasonality in our cash flow for the first half of the year, this stronger profitability helped to deliver better than expected operating cash usage of $18 million.

John Giamatteo: In May, we announced a $100 million share buyback program based on our confidence in our plan to both continue generating cash as well as driving increased shareholder value. During the quarter, we started to utilize the capital allocation optionality that this facility brings by repurchasing $10 million worth of shares.

John Giamatteo: Tim will provide more details on this later in the call.

John Giamatteo: I'll now give some color on how we executed at a divisional level starting with Q&A. QNX revenue for Q1 beat the upper end of our guidance range at $57.5 million. This represents 8% year over year growth, despite the uncertainty facing the auto market, including the impact of various tariff announcements. Royalties and development seat licenses were the main drivers of year-over-year revenue growth in the quarter, growing 9% and 23% respectively.

John Giamatteo: We have a strong plan for profitable growth in QNX, capitalizing on both our market position and the multi-year secular tailwinds that are driving this business forward. As part of this, for fiscal year 26, we have two key strategies that we believe will help drive future growth. These are to both increase diversification of the business beyond automotive into adjacent verticals and to increase our share of the automotive software stack by offering pre-integrated middleware as part of a vehicle platform. Starting with increasing diversification beyond automotive, we believe this has a number of First, we see a very significant addressable market in the general embedded space, which we believe could be larger than the auto opportunity.

John Giamatteo: Second, although we're very diversified across auto OEMs and geographies, diversification into other markets can reduce cyclical exposures. We're targeting substantial expansion of our beachheads in robotics, industrial automation, and medical devices and equipment. Similar to automotive, these verticals are seeing significant growth in compute and safety-critical software at the edge, which is where QNX really excels. With minimal adaptations to the core QNX codebase, we are able to meet the needs of customers, and therefore, we see this as primarily a go-to-market task. Accordingly, we're adding industry expertise and growing our gem-focused sales force. We're also working towards engaging new channel partners that will greatly increase our reach in these markets.

John Giamatteo: SDP 8.0 our next generation version of the QNX operating system is progressing well in this market and we have a strong non-automotive mix in the pipeline. In fact, GEM currently represents 43% of our total SDP 8.0 pipeline, with the overall pipeline having grown by 55% in the quarter. Further, our largest SDP 8.0 design win to date was with a leading industrial automation OEM. They will deploy the latest version of QNX across multiple applications. These are clear data points that show how our increased investment in GEM is already starting to generate real returns.

John Giamatteo: The second focus is the QNX vehicle platform that was announced earlier this year at CES. We're developing this product in response to requests from some leading OEMs who have identified the importance of focusing their teams on customer facing applications, rather than spending time on undifferentiated parts of the software stack. Yesterday we announced a memorandum of understanding with a leading middleware provider Vector to provide a highly integrated hardware agnostic solution that customers can leverage across the vehicle. This builds on an earlier announcement with both Vector and TT Tech at CES in January. The goal is to help our customers simplify development and shorten time to market.

John Giamatteo: We are in conversations with several OEMs for this solution and are targeting delivery of an early access version of the product this calendar year. We continue to refine the business model for this platform, but should it be successful, directionally, we expect it to provide a significant uplift to our royalty ASP once deployed in vehicle.

John Giamatteo: We were excited to announce the launch of QNX Hypervisor 8.0 at the end of the quarter. The hypervisor is an important part of our portfolio, allowing customers to virtually host guest operating systems like Android and Linux alongside safety critical applications running on QNX, all on the same chip. Upgrading the hypervisor to the next generation performance standards of our SDP 8.0 operating system can help cement our leadership position within mixed criticality domains like the digital cockpit. QNX thrives in high performance, safety critical use cases. Autonomous drive is a great example. This past quarter, we announced that WeRide, a global leader in autonomous drive technology, is using QNX as the foundation for L2-plus passenger vehicles.

John Giamatteo: In fact, this technology is already being deployed in a couple of Sherry's vehicle models that are on the road in China today. As autonomous drive continues to ramp worldwide, we see this as an exciting opportunity for BlackBerry.

John Giamatteo: We're working to build the QNX ecosystem through the availability of QNX products for non-commercial use and the development of QNX-centric training programs. We believe that having a stronger community of developers and partners with QNX experience will help drive adoption across OEMs, especially in the general embedded market. This quarter, we initiated a program in India with more than 30 educational institutions developing or currently offering QNX-focused courses. We're also working with institutions in North America with the goal of launching additional courses this calendar year.

John Giamatteo: In terms of the macro, there is clearly uncertainty in the market, which we are currently having to navigate with some of our customers pulling guidance until market conditions become clearer. While we have not seen any direct impacts from the automotive tariffs, there have been some delays to customer buying decisions due to this macro uncertainty. As the OEMs navigate possible disruption to supply chains, there could also potentially be impacts on production volumes, which could impact royalty revenue. We're taking these factors into account in our guidance and we'll continue to monitor closely as we head through this fiscal year.

John Giamatteo: Moving now to our Secure Communications Division. This was a strong quarter for the division, beating the top end of our guidance range with quarterly revenue of $59.5 million. Annual recurring revenue or ARR was stable at $209 million. Our dollar-based net retention rate, or DBNRR, also remained relatively flat at 92%. These stable fundamentals position the Secure Communications Division well as a solid source of EBITDA and cash flow for BlackBerry. The stronger than expected revenue number was in large part driven by the strength of our Secchi smart product. This was another strong quarter for sales to the German government, where we closed some large deals earlier than expected.

John Giamatteo: In addition to the core German market, the pipeline of potential deals with customers around the world continues to grow. especially where we're seeing significantly increased budgets, particularly in defense. Governments are increasingly evaluating the tools they use in the wake of vulnerability seen and using consumer-focused platforms for critical communication.

John Giamatteo: While sales cycles in governments are typically long, we are optimistic about our ability to close additional deals for SecuSMART this fiscal year.

John Giamatteo: During Q1, Ad Hoc earned FedRAMP High Authorization, the highest level of attainment for safeguarding mission-critical sensitive data within the U.S. federal government. As the first critical event management platform to achieve FedRAMP high, this further strengthens our moat and further expands our addressable market.

John Giamatteo: During the quarter, we secured wins for ad hoc with several U.S. federal organizations, including the U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force, Senate, FEMA, the White House Communications Agency, as well as other organizations in Germany and Canada.

John Giamatteo: Moving on to our unified endpoint management product, BlackBerry UEM. UEM continues to perform as expected with some ongoing churn with customers moving to a cloud-based architecture partially offset by a deepening of our on-premise mode for those customers who particularly value data sovereignty. One of the legacy players in this market has signaled the end of life for their on-premise solution. In contrast, we continue to make targeted investments. This quarter we secured deals for UEM with a broad spectrum of customers, including the U.S. Special Operations Command, U.S. Air Force, the U.K. Sellafield Nuclear Power Establishment and National Grid, the Qatar National Bank, Leading U.S.

John Giamatteo: Bank Oppenheimer and the Netherlands Government Shared Services. These data points increase our confidence in both defending and expanding our UEM on-premise customer base.

John Giamatteo: Touching briefly on IP licensing, this was a solid quarter where revenue from pre-existing licensing deals drove the quarterly result of $4.7 million.

John Giamatteo: We understand that Maliki, the party that purchased our non-core patents in 2024, is pursuing a number of potential licensing opportunities. Should they be successful, BlackBerry will participate in the profit they generate. While we do not expect incremental revenue this current year, it could provide upside in fiscal year 27 and fiscal year 28.

Tim Foote: With that, let me now turn the call over to Tim, who will provide further details on our finances. Thank you John and good afternoon everyone. As John mentioned, revenue for the total company in the quarter exceeded the top end of guidance at $121.7 million.

Tim Foote: On the cost side, this was a quarter of puts and takes. We saw OPEC's headwinds from FX due to a weakening US dollar. A significant portion of our costs are denominated in other currencies, especially the Canadian dollar and euro. However, we also had some items go our way, including approximately $4.5 million of grant funding as a result of our newly reinvigorated partnership with the Canadian Government's Strategic Innovation Fund. The fund is to support the development of cutting-edge technology in Canada and it helped offset some of our incremental R&D investment in QNX during the quarter. Total company adjusted gross margin expanded by 1% year-over-year to 75%, and total company adjusted EBITDA beat expectations at $16.4 million.

Tim Foote: Overall, the hard work the team has done over the past year to implement tight cost controls is really showing benefits. Adjusted net income for Q1 was $12.3 million and BlackBerry achieved positive quarterly gapped net income for the first time in over three years at $1.9 million. Just the DPS, also beat expectations at 2 cents. Given X revenue, beat the top end of the guidance range at $57.5 million. QNX Gross Margins were slightly down at 81% primarily as a result of the effects of unfavourable exchange rates. Justin Ebert-Dahl for Q&X in the quarter exceeded the top end of guidance at $12.7 million.

Tim Foote: Revenue for Secure Communications exceeded the top end of guidance in a quarter of $59.5 million, primarily as a result of strong performance from SecuSmart. This higher-than-expected revenue helped drive sequential and year-over-year gross margin expansion in Q1 to 70%. Leveraging the Secure Communications Model helped the division to exceed expectations for Just Leave It Dark at $9.6 million.

Tim Foote: Finally, our Licensing Division delivered revenue of $4.7 million, and the Justice Deputy's arm cost $3.8 million, both slightly below expectations due to lower revenue from existing licensing arrangements in the course of For more information, visit www.fema.gov Adjusted corporate operating costs, excluding amortization, came in at $9.7 million in Q1. In line with guidance.

Tim Foote: As previously outlined, Q1 is a seasonal low for cash for BlackBerry. The combination of our billings profile and timing of certain annual cash payments means that the first quarter is always a burn quarter. That said, cash used by operations was better than guidance, with a usage of £18 million. This includes approximately 11 million of cash relating to restructuring costs. including 6 million of employee severance and 5 million for lease payments for properties that we have exited. We expect the cash commitments for these leases to reduce as the fiscal year goes on. In addition to cash used by operations, we returned $10 million to shareholders as part of the share buyback program.

Tim Foote: Therefore, total cash and investments decreased by $28 million during the quarter to $382 million, which remains almost $100 million better than this time last year when the number was $283 million.

Tim Foote: As John mentioned, we received approval for a shared buyback programme during the quarter. The programme allows for the repurchase of up to $100 million of shares, for approximately 4.7% of the number outstanding at the time of approval. I'm pleased to report that we took solid first steps in this program and repurchased approximately $10 million or 2.6 million shares at an average price per share of $3.89 before the quiet period commenced.

Tim Foote: These shares have been subsequently cancelled. These actions illustrate our belief that BlackBerry's shares are undervalued and that we have a strong plan to continue to generate cash on an annual basis. While we are not obliged to repurchase shares, the programme will continue to provide capital allocation optionality as we continue through the rest of the year, allowing for further repurchases if the conditions are favourable.

Tim Foote: Turning now to Financial Outlook for the second fiscal quarter and the full fiscal year. Overall, we're not getting carried away with what was a better than expected first quarter. While we are, of course, very pleased to have beaten expectations almost across the board, we don't expect the remainder of the year to look very different to how it did 90 days ago.

Tim Foote: We are taking a prudent position for QNX and Q2, given that any slowdown in production volumes in the first calendar quarter, as a result of recent tariff changes, are likely to impact Q2 royalty representation. We're also allowing for elongated buying decisions for new design wins, especially newer products like QNX Cabin. As a result, we expect revenue for QNX in Q2 to be in the range of $55 million to $60 million and for adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $10 million to $13 million. Despite the uncertainty in the market, we continue to hold our full-year revenue guidance range at $250 million to $270 million and adjusted EBITDA between $55 million and $60 million.

Tim Foote: For secure communications, we are optimistic around the pipeline of opportunities we see for the division. We expect revenue for Q2 to be in the range of £54-59 million and for adjusted EBITDA to be between £3-6 million. We performed better than expected in Q1, primarily due to closing some large SecuSmart deals earlier than expected. We see those deals being replaced in later quarters by an increased pipeline of opportunities. Therefore, we are raising our full-year revenue guidance by £4 million, such that the range is now £234 million to £244 million, and for Justly Bizarre to be between £37 million and £47 million, or 16% to 19%.

Tim Foote: For licensing, we reiterate our guidance for revenue to be approximately £6 million and adjusted EBITDA to be approximately £5 million over quarter. The full fiscal year, we're holding guidance for £24 million of revenue and just leave it down for approximately £20 million. We continue to expect a just and corporate office. Excluding amortisation to be approximately £10 million a quarter or £40 million for the full fiscal year.

Tim Foote: At total company level, we expect revenue for Q2 to be in the range of £115 million to £125 million. Just leave it down to be between 8 and 14.

Tim Foote: Given the increased guidance for both Secure Communications Revenue and Adjusted EGITDA, we are raising guidance for the total company as well. For the full fiscal year 2026, we now expect total company revenue to be between $508M and $538M. Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $72M to $87M. For non-GAAP EPS, we expect it to be between break-even and 1 cent in the second quarter and to remain between 8 and 10 cents for the full fiscal year.

Tim Foote: As mentioned during the Q4 earnings announcement, we expect the first half of Fiscal 26 to be lower than the second half of the year for cash flow as a result of the Billings and Payments profile, including a number of one-time factors that will drop off as we get further into the year. Due primarily to tax payments falling during the quarter, which relate to a number of prior years for countries outside of North America, we expect another quarter of cash usage, albeit sequentially lower. We expect an operating cash usage for Q2 in the range of 5 to 15 million.

Tim Foote: But, as before, we still expect BlackBerry to be operating cash flow positive for the full fiscal year, generating approximately $35 million, which is in addition to the second tranche of cash from Arctic Wall relating to the sale of Sinan.

John Giamatteo: With that, let me now turn the call back to John. Thanks for the summary, Tim.

John Giamatteo: And before we move to Q&A, let me quickly summarize. Q1 was a good quarter for BlackBerry. with total company revenue, adjusted EBITDA, EPS, and cash usage feeding guidance. QNX delivered a better than expected quarter despite the challenging landscape in the automotive industry as our solid strategy to both help our customers execute on their software development goals and to diversify into non-automotive verticals continues to show positive signs of traction. Secure communications performed better than expected from both a top and bottom line perspective in the quarter, and we're raising our guidance for the full year. With both these divisions performing well, we believe BlackBerry is in a strong position to continue to generate profit and cash over the long term.

John Giamatteo: With this solid foundation, we've started to execute on repurchasing shares and have significant runway should it be appropriate to continue buying more.

Operator: So let's now move to Q&A. Operator, could you please open up the lines? Thank you.

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Todd Coupland: And our first question comes from the line of Todd Coupland with CIBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Thank you all. How are you doing? I'm doing, I'm doing great.

John Giamatteo: So I wanted to ask a question on QNX and the macro environment. You talked about how you hadn't seen changes to production schedules, but you're anticipating that that's going to happen in this current quarter. Is that assumption already being realized in the production schedules you're seeing, or are you just building in that downside protection into the guidance?

John Giamatteo: Yeah, so great question, Todd. Ultimately, the Q2 or fiscal Q2 royalty revenue is a function of production that happens in Q1. So we don't get the final production numbers by model, which obviously impacts how much royalty we're going to get until into Q2. So we priced in a reasonable amount of risk there, in the guidance that we've given that 55 to 60, to allow for some potential disruption that we haven't yet fully seen in those numbers. Great.

John Giamatteo: And Is there enough clarity in the market at this point to give you more confidence for the rest of the year? Are you still concerned beyond this quarter about possible production disruption? I mean, it's a very fluid situation. I think John mentioned that some of our customers have actually stood down their guidance. So the fact that we've still got our guidance up shows that we do have a certain level of visibility. But you know, things can change. It's very fluid. I think we priced in a reasonable amount of risk. And when we look at the year, who knows what's going to happen, Todd.

John Giamatteo: Well, just like you and everyone else, we're going to have to see how things pan out.

John Giamatteo: But we feel pretty confident that we're not entirely reliant on royalties. We do have other streams as well, you know, the professional services and also development seats. So we feel pretty good where we're at.

Paul Treiber: Thank you and our next question comes from the line of Paul Treiber with RBC Capital.

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Luke Junk: The next question comes from the line of Luke Junk with Baird. Please receive your question. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, John, I want to start with the comments you made on SDP 8.0, the strong non-autonics in the pipeline, and that the overall pipeline grew by, I think you said, 55% in the quarter. Can you just help us size that, you know, big numbers and percentage terms, but trying to understand how material that is, and maybe if you'd be able to square that with the backlog disclosures that you've made for QNX. Thank you.

John Giamatteo: Yeah, um, we, I don't think we've updated the backlog at all. From the last, you know, numbers that we were at 865, you know, million.

John Giamatteo: Without getting into the granularity of the size of the dollar size of SDP. Oh, I could tell you it is, you know, one of the you know the hottest products where we're getting the most interest and the most demand and it's encouraging to see that it's not just in the automotive space with some of the you know next generation applications for but also as we turn more of our attention towards towards gem towards robotics towards industrial automation we're seeing quite a bit of appetite you know for for it so it's hard to share you know too much granularity with it other than we're just happy to see that not only is the total pie growing in terms of overall pipeline but each of the respective pieces of the pie across automotive and the gem space as well.

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John Giamatteo: And then on the sheer buyback, that being new here, I think I'm hearing you saying that the approach here is going to be more opportunistic and that there's not necessarily a strict mandate timing wise around 100 million, but to the extent that the stock gives you opportunities, you lean into that. Can you just talk about your approach to buyback? Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, we're delighted that we're in a position now to be able to do a buyback. It shows the strength of our balance sheet and the plan going forward. So we're great, feeling good about that.

John Giamatteo: But ultimately, as good stewards of capital, we'll consider a number of different factors, like cash flow in the quarter, share price, you know, other alternative uses of capital that we might have available, that type of thing. So, you know, it's not going to be a linear thing, I would say, it would just be whatever we think makes the best sense for shareholder value.

Unknown Executive: And our next question comes from the line. Thank you. Congratulations on very good execution. Two questions here.

Unknown Executive: First, I will ask about your wins in the U.S. or the federal defense spending. I was wondering what kind of trends are you seeing and what specific products from BlackBerry are having traction in the defense spend?

Unknown Executive: And the second question I have is regarding a very solid execution and pipeline in QNX. Are there any specific categories of automotive where you are seeing more strength versus the rest? For example, are EVs still having more traction or is it hybrids or is it ICE? Any color on that will also be appreciated. Thank you so much. Thanks, Trip. Thanks for the thoughts and the questions.

John Giamatteo: On the SecureComm side of it, it really has been an interesting four or five months of the first year with a lot of geopolitical dynamics around the world. Secure communications and having mission-critical capabilities. We're finding more interest and more use cases than we had, say, this time last year. A lot of it we're seeing governments, not only in the U.S., but in other markets around the world, looking at data sovereignty becoming more of a concern for them, turning while many, I think, in the past have been embracing the cloud and utilizing the cloud more significantly.

Tim Foote: We're seeing a little bit of kind of pullback from that on on-premise solutions and how they're protecting the data and the privacy of all their communications across their organizations. So, certainly, we've seen the pipeline growing with these types of on-premise data sovereignty focus mission-critical communications. It's encouraging to see the level of interest and how our product portfolio really is a hand-in-glove fit for some of these new demands.

Tim Foote: I'll turn it over to Tim maybe to talk a little bit about the the QNX momentum.

Tim Foote: Sure, yeah, no great question Trip. Ultimately we're seeing demand across the board, but ultimately QNX thrives where we got high performance computes in the vehicle. So that typically tends to be towards the top end of the range, the higher kind of higher trims. But EV versus ICE, we tend to be fairly agnostic to that. But one of the really interesting things that John was talking about is autonomous drive. Obviously there's a fair amount of buzz around that right now. QNX, this is great for QNX because safety critical use case, very high compute is perfect. It's like ready made for QNX.

Tim Foote: So as we see further advances in that, we're hoping to see some increased demand as well. But generally speaking, it's across the board. The trends are secular tailwinds for the business, multi-year secular tailwinds. And we feel pretty confident about despite any near term noise and volatility that may come in the market.

Unknown Executive: Thank you so much. Congratulations again. Thanks, Trip.

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Paul Treiber: And our next question comes from the line of Paul Treiber with RBC Capital Markets. Did you see any churn related to DOJ or any of the reduced procurement decisions there? You know, Paul, we were on high alert on that, as you can imagine, since such a significant part of our business does come from the U.S. government. But we really, you know, didn't see any kind of material impacts from a DOJ. As we worked through a lot of the different opportunities and a lot of the different renewals, I think one kind of common theme seemed to come back and forth every time we engaged with them is that mission critical communications didn't seem to be at the top of their list of things to slash and burn on, you know.

John Giamatteo: So it was encouraging to see that. I think that's one of the reasons why our, you know, DDNRR, our ARR, things like that held up pretty nicely in the quarter as we really didn't find any kind of meaningful impact from a DOJ perspective.

Unknown Executive: That's good to hear.

John Giamatteo: Second question, just on QNX and the growth that you're seeing in SDP 8, the pipeline there, is that on the automotive side, is that additive to the existing pipeline for QNX? Or are you seeing some transition from the prior generations of QNX to SDP 8? Yeah, I mean, ultimately, we want everyone to migrate over to STPA, because it's a future proof platform. And also, it's got an uplift, as you can imagine, it's high performance. So there's an uplift for us. So I'd say we're still in the early innings, it's a new product, we're pleasantly surprised by the amount of traction we've already had.

John Giamatteo: But you know, in this market, things tend to tend to move relatively slow, because they're very long life cycle type projects. So we're pleased with what we've seen so far. And it is a better ASP than the previous version.

Kingsley Crane: Thank you, and our next question comes from the line of Kingsley Crane with Canaccord. Please proceed with your question. I think I want to echo...

John Giamatteo: Hi, Tim. Hi, John. How's it going? I want to echo my congrats on a really strong Q1. I just want to ask one thematic one to start out. Just curious how you're thinking about the balance between more tightly integrated systems versus more open systems in the software-defined vehicle space right now. Maybe you could compare what you're doing with Vector and TT Tech with S-Core. Thanks. I'll start and Tim you chip in. Yeah, I think, from a, you know, q&a perspective, kind of, you know, what we announced at CES is us, Because we have such a pivotal role in the overall operating system for this software-defined vehicle, us expanding our role into middleware, into integration, to help them handle the plumbing, and regardless of who that's interacting, what applications inevitably you're interacting with, that's something that we just think it's a natural place for us to play in, and for us to add value in terms of helping our customers from a time-to-market perspective.

John Giamatteo: So that's one aspect of it. I think QNX Everywhere is another initiative that we think really expands our ecosystem and expands our partnerships with other players. Having them embrace our technology, design around our technology, both within the automotive space and outside of the automotive space from a general perspective, we think is another part of our vision of really making QNX available more broadly across all the markets that we serve. So I kind of feel like it's all coming together. The operating system, moving up the stack into middleware, creating an ecosystem of technology partners is part of a more comprehensive approach to the markets that we serve.

Unknown Executive: Right, yep. Makes perfect sense.

John Giamatteo: And I want to circle back as well to the SCP 8.0 pipeline, you know, gem at 43%. That's, that's really encouraging. I guess, like, you know, how would you characterize the quality and maturity of that gem pipeline versus automotive? I'd say that just because, you know, I know you're moving more to make more serious moves, get more beachheads in those markets. So it's great that it's already at 43%. Oh, yeah, it's to see the whole pipeline grow 55%. That makes us that makes us feel good. Naturally, you know, we've got a deeper presence in the auto OEMs and with their designs and, and the the gem space is a little more, I don't want to say fluid, but it's certainly it's a newer pipeline.

John Giamatteo: These are newer qualified opportunities. It's actually been very encouraging to see, you know, some of these mission-critical GEM kind of applications wanting to lean into the performance characteristics of 8.0. We actually feel that that helps qualify the pipeline even further. So both angles, from an auto perspective and the GEM perspective, we're really seeing good traction on all of it. GEM's probably got a little more ways to go in terms of, you know, developing that pipeline, closing that pipeline, converting it to revenue. But the fact that we're seeing that much appetite, that much demand this early as we really double down on our go-to-market initiatives in GEM is certainly an encouraging sign.

Unknown Executive: Thank you. Terrific. Thanks, Julian.

Unknown Executive: And just as before we wrap up, a quick reminder to everyone that we're going to be holding our annual meeting of shareholders tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern, and details for how to join the virtual event can be found on BlackBerry.com website.

Operator: So thank you all for joining the call today, and look forward to seeing you next time. Bye for now. Thank you.

Operator: With that, this does conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time.