Q2 2025 Murphy USA Inc Earnings Call

Jeannie: Thank you for standing by. My name is Jeannie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Murphy USA Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star when again. We do ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Christian Pikul. Please go ahead.

Thank you for standing by. My name is Jeanne and I will be your conference operator today.

At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Murphy USA second quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

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Christian Pikul: Yeah, good morning, everybody. Thanks, Jeannie, and thanks everyone for joining us today. With me are Andrew Clyde, Chief Executive Officer; Mindy West, Chief Operating Officer; Galagher Jeff, Chief Financial Officer; and Donnie Smith, Chief Accounting Officer. After some opening comments from Andrew, Galagher will provide an overview of the financial results and performance against our 2025 guidance metrics. And then following some closing comments from Andrew, we'll open up the call to Q&A. Please keep in mind that some of the comments made during this call, including the Q&A portion, will be considered forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. As such, no assurances can be given that these events will occur or that the projections will be attained. A variety of factors exist that may cause actual results to differ.

If you would like to enjoy your question, press star 1. Again, we do ask that you limit yourself to 1 question and 1 follow-up. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Christian pel. Please go ahead.

Christian Pikul: For further discussion of risk factors, please see the latest Murphy USA Forms 10-K, 10-Q, 8-K, and other recent SEC filings. Murphy USA takes no duty to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. During today's call, we may also provide certain performance measures that do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. We have provided schedules to reconcile these non-GAAP measures with the reported results on a GAAP basis as part of our earnings press release, which can be found on the investor section of our website. With that, I'll turn it over to Andrew.

Andrew Clyde: Thank you, Christian, and good morning, everyone. Second quarter results largely reflect the trends previously disclosed in our operations update covering second quarter's performance through May. Fuel prices continue to be range-bound despite remarkable geopolitical events, and we remain in a lower price, less volatile environment. Together with lighter cigarette promotional activity and lower lottery jackpots, this translated to modest pressure on customer traffic, and you can see that in Q2, same-store fuel volumes were down 3.2%. Ahead of Opus volume levels reported that noted weakness in demand. July volumes have rebounded and are currently running at 100% of prior year levels with a couple of reporting days left in the month.

Murphy USA takes no duty to publicly update, or revise any forward-looking statements during today's call. We may also provide certain performance measures that do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles or gaap. We have provided schedules to reconcile these non-gaap measures. Uh, with the reported results on a gap basis. As part of our earnings press release which can be found on the investor section of our website. Now with that, I'll turn it over to Andrew.

Thank you, Christian and good morning. Everyone. Second quarter results largely reflected Trends, previously disclosed in our operations update covering second quarter's performance, through May

Fuel prices. Continue to be range-bound. Despite remarkable geopolitical events and we remain in a lower price less volatility.

Together with lighter cigarette promotional activity and lower Lottery jackpots, this translated to modest pressure on customer traffic and you can see that in Q2 same store fuel volumes were down. 3.2%

Andrew Clyde: While these trends reflect an environment on the low side of what we would call normal, there are definitely bright spots that may get obscured in the current environment, which should result in significant performance uplift when conditions normalize. Galagher will review the 2025 outlook shortly, but it's worth emphasizing a few things that we're excited about. First, while cigarette volumes remain pressured, non-combustible nicotine categories are growing at a rate that fully offsets the decline in cigarette margins, which is remarkable as this category represents only 30% of total nicotine margin contribution. With an uptick in July promotional activity on cigarettes around the 4th of July, we believe a more robust second-half cadence will be supportive to stronger nicotine category growth. Moreover, we view FDA Commissioner Dr. Marrake's forceful comments about illicit vapor and synthetic cratom crackdowns earlier this week as very positive.

ahead of Opus volume levels reported that noted weakness in demand, July volumes have rebounded and are currently running at 100% or prior year levels with a couple of reporting days left in the month.

While these Trends reflect in an environment on the low side of what we would call normal, there are definitely bright spots that may get obscured in the current environment which should result in significant performance uplift. When conditions normalize

Gallagher will review the 2025 Outlook shortly, but it's worth emphasizing a few things that we were excited about.

First, while cigarette volumes remain pressured non-combustible nicotine categories, are growing at a rate that fully offsets the decline in cigarette margins, which is remarkable. As this category represents, only 30% of total, nicotine margin contribution with an uptick in July promotional activity on cigarettes around the 4th of July. We believe a more robust second half, Cadence will be supportive to Stronger, nicotine category growth.

Andrew Clyde: Second, unlike many of the public QSRs reporting sales declines, average per store month food and beverage sales at QuickCheck have been positive for the third straight quarter, underscoring our value offer and ability to drive traffic to our stores. Investing in traffic and transactions versus taking excessive price increases in the current environment will pay dividends later when food costs subside, resulting in both sales and margin growth going forward. Third, supporting sales and contribution on both brands are the digital initiatives that are creating value for our customers. For MDR, we saw a 31% increase in new loyalty enrollments for the quarter and an 11% increase in merchandise transactions. In fact, if you remove cigarettes and lottery from the mix, Murphy only merchandise contribution increased by 8.9% for the quarter, led by strength in candy and packaged beverages.

Moreover, we view FDA commissioner, Dr. Mark, Hayes, forceful comments about illicit vapor and synthetic Craton crackdowns earlier this week. It's very positive.

Second unlike many of the public qsrs reporting sales declines, average per store, month, food and beverage sales at Kwik Chek have been positive for the third straight quarter, underscoring, our value offer, and ability to drive traffic to our stores investing in traffic and transactions versus taking excessive price increases in the current environment will pay dividends later when food costs subside, resulting in both sales and margin growth going forward.

Third supporting sales and contribution on both brands are the digital initiatives that are creating value for their customers.

For MDR, we saw a 31% increase in new loyalty enrollments for the quarter and an 8, an 11% increase in merchandise transactions. In fact.

Andrew Clyde: Both categories where we are seeing price increases across the industry, yet our ability to deliver value to the customer and CPG firms is yielding positive results. At QuickCheck, the revamped loyalty program has seen mobile orders double since the relaunch, and 35% of in-store pickup items included additional sales inside the store, averaging $7 per transaction. We've also seen a meaningful shift in the full-time to part-time labor mix at QC as part of our demand forecasting digital initiative. Fourth, a common theme across today's call will be that when merchandise contribution is pressured, which it inevitably will be from time to time, we are able to maintain store profitability from operating cost improvements, a hallmark of our corporate DNA since our 2013 spin. The current quarter is no exception where we saw improvements in overtime, labor rates, loss prevention, and maintenance.

Cigarettes and Lottery from the mix Murphy. Only merchandise contribution increased by 8.9%, for the quarter, led by strength and candy, and packaged beverages both categories where we are seeing price increases across the industry. Yet our ability to deliver value to the customer and see cpg. Firms, is yielding positive results?

At quick check, the revamp loyalty program has seen mobile orders double since the relaunch and 35% of in-store, pickup items, included additional sales inside the store, averaging 7 dollars per transaction.

We've also seen a meaningful shift in the full-time to part-time labor. Mix at QC is part of our demand forecasting digital initiative.

Forth a common theme across. Today's call will be that when merchandise contribution is pressured, which it inevitably will be from time to time. We are able to maintain store profitability from operating cost improvements a Hallmark of our corporate DNA since our 2013 spin,

Andrew Clyde: These improvements are complemented by home office efficiencies that are driving our G&A lower. Fifth, in a relatively more challenging environment where we can sustain store profitability, retail fuel margins are proving even more resilient than we would have thought. We saw retail margins up 50 basis points in 2024, and year to date, we are seeing an 80 basis point improvement along with an additional 13 basis points from lower credit card fees. This reinforces our view that industry headwinds are translating to higher retail margins over time because the marginal retailer is unable to sustain their profitability without taking up price on fuel. Furthermore, our street pricing on average in Q2 was a penny more aggressive, supporting weaker demand, which further reinforces our view that in a more normal price and volatility environment, we would likely see further bottom-line margin improvement.

The current quarter is no exception, where we saw improvements in overtime, labor rates loss, prevention and maintenance. These improvements are complemented by home office efficiencies that are driving, our DNA lower.

fifth in a relatively more challenging environment, where we can sustain Store profitability, retail fuel margins are proving even more resilient than we would have thought we saw retail margins at 50 basis points in 2024 and year to date, we are seeing an 80 basis point Improvement, along with an additional 13 basis points from lower credit card fees,

This reinforces our view that industry headwinds are translating to higher retail margins over time because the marginal retailer is unable to sustain their profitability without taking up Price on fuel.

Andrew Clyde: And last but certainly not least, we are really excited and encouraged by the quality of our new store pipeline and construction underway, which is poised to deliver 50 stores over the next 12 months. While we have not met our commitments and expectations on the timing of store months, individual store performance for all the most recent build classes are performing well above pro forma. Galagher will provide some more details around that program. So let me turn it over to him to provide some updates on our 2025 guidance before returning to discuss our longer-term potential.

Furthermore our street pricing on average in Q2 was a penny more aggressive, supporting weaker demand, which further reinforces our view that in a more normal price and volatility environment. We would likely see further, bottom line margin Improvement.

Galagher Jeff: Thanks for the handoff, Andrew. Building on your comments, I'm going to discuss our progress against our 2025 guided metrics. Starting with fuel volumes, first half volumes were down 3% on an average per store month basis, which, after adjusting for temporal issues we referenced in the first quarter call, translates to down 2% on a normalized basis. Given first half performance is tracking slightly lower than our expectations, our second half outlook incorporates a market-neutral view characterized by continued low volatility and does not account for anything exceptional that may occur, such as a supply shock followed by dramatically falling prices. As such, our outlook for the second half suggests volumes could fall slightly below the low end of our annual guided range of 240 to 245,000 average per store month. As Andrew mentioned, July fuel volumes are running at 100% of prior year.

Which is poised to deliver 50 stores over the next 12 months. While we have not met our commitments and expectations on the timing of storm months, individual store performance for all the most recent bill classes is performing well above pro forma. Gallagher will provide some more details around that program. So, let me turn it over to him to provide some updates on our 2025 guidance before returning to discuss our longer-term potential.

Thanks for the handoff Andrew.

Building on your comments, I'm going to discuss our progress against our 2025 guided metrics.

Starting with fuel volumes, first half volumes were down 3% on an average per month basis.

Which, after adjusting for temporal issues we referenced in the first quarter, translates to down 2% on a normalized basis.

Given first half performance is tracking slightly lower than our expectations. Our second half Outlook incorporates, a market neutral view characterized by continued low volatility

And um, does not account for anything exceptional that may occur.

Such as Supply shock. Followed by dramatically falling prices.

As such our outlook for the second half is just volumes could fall slightly below the low end of our annual, guided range of 240 to 245,000 average performance.

Galagher Jeff: For merchandising contribution margin, we're seeing a similar impact from a slow first quarter. With headwinds from two of our largest categories in the first half, cigarettes and lottery, we also expect to be within but toward the low end of our guided range of $855 to $875 million. It's important to remember on an average per store month basis, Q2 merchandising contribution at Murphy USA branded stores are up 8.9%, excluding the headwinds from cigarettes and lottery. This speaks to the underlying resilience we see in the Murphy customers and broader center store categories. In this demand environment, we are actively managing our cost and driving savings across both store operating expenses and home office cost.

As Andrew mentioned, July few volumes are running at 100% of Prior year.

For merchandising contribution margin. We're seeing a similar impact from a slow first quarter.

With headwinds, from 2 of our largest categories, in the first half, cigarettes and Lottery. We also expect to be within but toward the low end of our guided range 855 to 875 million

It's important to remember on an average per month basis. Q2 merchandising contribution at Murphy. USA brand is doors, are up 8.9%. Excluding the headwinds from cigarettes and Lottery.

This speaks to the underlying resilience, we see in the Murphy customers and broader Center of store categories.

Galagher Jeff: Our initiatives to improve store-level operations are showing results, and we expect store operating expenses to be at or below the low end of the guided range of $36,500 to $37,000 per store month. Therefore, from a store profitability perspective, due to the sustainable and structural improvements we're making to the business, on a net profit basis, we are seeing higher operating contribution dollars per store, not lower. This stronger coverage ratio reinforces the competitiveness of our Murphy business model and increases our ability to generate free cash flow. In addition to store operating expenses, we've also made progress optimizing our home office spend, which has resulted in total corporate SG&A also trending below the low end of our guided range of $245 to $255 million.

In this demand environment, we are actively managing our cost, and driving savings across both store, operating expenses and home office costs.

Our initiatives to improve store. Level operations are showing results and we expect store operating expenses to be at or below the low end of the guided range of 36 and a half to 37,000 per store month.

Therefore, from a store profitability perspective due to the sustainable and structural improvements, we are making to the business on a net profit basis. We are seeing higher operating contribution, dollars per store, not lower,

This stronger coverage ratio reinforces, the competitiveness of our Murphy business model and increased our ability to generate free cash flow.

Galagher Jeff: The effective tax rate in the first half was 22% due to a combination of excess tax benefits related to equity compensation and recognized benefits from federal energy tax credits reflected in first quarter results. We expect second half all-in tax rates to be within the guided range of 24% to 26%, resulting in a full-year tax rate at or slightly below the low end of guidance. I'll close the 2025 guidance update with two related topics: new store growth and our capital expenditures. We put 14 new stores into service in the first half, along with 10 raise and rebuild stores, followed by six more raise and rebuilds opened in July. I'm pleased to report that new store construction activity will remain robust through the end of this year, with the pipeline in extremely solid shape to deliver accelerated store growth this year and beyond.

In addition to our operating expenses, we have also made progress, optimizing our home office spend, which has resulted in total corporate sgna. Also trending below the low end of our guided range of 245 to 255 million.

The effective tax rate in the first half was 22% due to a combination of excess tax, benefits related to equity, compensation and recognized benefits from Federal Energy tax credits reflected in first quarter results.

We expect second half all in tax rates to be within the guided range of 24%, to 26%, resulting, in a full year, tax rate at or slightly below the low end of guidance.

Our clothes the 2025 guidance update with 2 related topics.

News store growth and our Capital expenditures.

We put 14 new stores into service in the first half, along with 10 raisin-rebuild stores.

Followed by 6, more raisin rebuilds opened in July.

Galagher Jeff: 40 new stores and eight raise and rebuilds are currently under construction, and we're positioned to start construction on an additional 10 new stores over the next 45 days. Given any unanticipated supply chain shocks or jurisdictional delays, that means we expect to open around 40 new stores in 2025, up from the 32 stores opened in 2024. More importantly, we have over 45 NTIs in construction in Q3, resulting in a robust end-of-year delivery and a great start to 2026, where we do expect 15 to 20 additional new store openings in the first quarter of 2026. Accordingly, our 2025 capital plan remains largely intact, and we expect to remain within the guided range of $450 to $500 million. Looking past 2025, our new store pipeline continues to grow and accelerate, with 90 stores already in design or permitting and over 50 more in contract negotiations.

I'm pleased to report the new store construction activity will remain robust through the end of this year with the pipeline and extremely solid shape to deliver accelerated sore growth this year and Beyond,

Boarding new stores and 8 raising rebuilds are currently under construction and we're positioned to start construction on additional 10, new stores over the next 45 days.

Given any unanticipated supply chain shocks or jurisdictional delays? That means we expect to open around 40 new stores in 2025.

Up from the 32 stores opened in 2024.

more importantly, we have over 45 NTI in construction, in Q3

Resulting in a robust end of your delivery and a great start to 2026 where we do expect 15 to 20 additional new store openings in the first quarter of 2026.

Accordingly, our 2025 Capital plan remains largely intact when we expect to remain within the guided range of 450 to 500 million.

Looking past 2025.

Galagher Jeff: We believe these new numbers and momentum reflect our newly refined store development capabilities and will allow us to increase our NTI delivery capacity in 2026 and beyond. I will close with a brief comment on share repurchase. In the second quarter, as noted in our release, we repurchased 471,000 shares, bringing our year-to-date repurchases to nearly 900,000 shares. Share repurchase remains the highest and best use of our free cash flow, and we expect to remain active repurchasers of our shares going forward. We will continue to take advantage of the currently misaligned views between investors and management with respect to our ability to drive future value creation for Murphy USA shareholders. And now I'll turn it back over to Andrew for closing comments.

Our new store pipeline continues to grow and accelerates with 90 stores already in design or permitting and over 50 more in contract, negotiations.

We believe these new numbers and momentum, reflect our newly refined store, development capabilities, and allow us to increase our knee delivery capacity in 2026 and Beyond.

On Cherry purchase.

In second quarter eth not in our release. We repurchase 471,000 shares. Bring our year-to-date repurchases to nearly 900,000 shares.

Share. We purchased Remains the highest and best use our free cash flow, and we expect to remain active repurchase of our shares going forward.

We will continue to take advantage of the currently misaligned views between investors and management. With respect to our ability to drop future value. Creation for Murphy. USA shareholders.

Andrew Clyde: Thanks, Galagher. That's a great perspective on our '25 outlook. Referencing our longer-term value creation algorithm, and in particular slide 10 of our most recent investor deck, we remain bullish on our ability to create value for long-term investors. We remain well-positioned to continue to sustain and improve our near-zero fuel break-even margin with a focus on overall store profitability, addressing merchandise headwinds with operational and overhead efficiencies and growing categories with our vendor partners with the right mix of pricing, promotion, and digital activities. With advantaged non-fuel profitability per store, we expect to grow EBITDA on a CPG basis as we keep more of the increases we are experiencing in retail fuel margins.

And now I'll turn it back over to Andrew for closing comments.

Thanks gawilghur. That's a great perspective on our 25 Outlook.

Referencing our longer term value creation algorithm and in particular slide 10 of our most recent investor deck.

We remain bullish on our ability, to create value for long-term investors. We remain well positioned to continue to sustain and improve our near zero fuel Break Even margin with a focus on overall store profitability addressing merchandise, headwinds with operational and overhead efficiencies and growing categories with our vendor partners with the right mix of pricing promotion and digital activities.

Andrew Clyde: And as we bring on more new stores that enhance returns and higher volumes per store, growth in total volume provides the free cash flow to deliver our 50/50 capital allocation strategy that has proven to be a winning formula with shareholders. We also believe EPS will be further enhanced through our tax optimizing strategies. When I think about some of the conversations with investors over the past few months, these discussions remain rooted in the long-term potential of our business, particularly in connection with the $1.3 billion EBITDA potential we set for 2028, which we have included in our investor presentations beginning in 2023. This figure was a single-point target that represented, in our view, the potential of our business based on a set of factors in a normal environment, some of which are within our control and some are outside of our control.

With Advantage, non-fuel profitability per store, we expect to grow Evie doll on a cpg basis. As we keep more of the increases, we are experiencing in retail fuel margins.

And as we bring on more new stores that enhance returns and higher volumes to restore growth and total volume provides the free cash flow to deliver our 50/50 Capital allocation strategy that has proven to be a winning formula with shareholders. And we also believe EPS will be further enhanced to our tax optimizing strategies.

When I think about some of the conversations with investors over the past few months, these discussions remain rooted in the long-term, potential of our business, particularly in connection with the 1.3 billion. EBA potentially, we set for 2028, which we have included in our investor presentations. Beginning in 2023,

Andrew Clyde: Since then, our progress against some of these metrics has been slower than anticipated, as we have shared with you during prior earnings call and investor conferences, while some other metrics have been realized ahead of our expectations. So let's take stock and review our progress against this target. It was predicated on four distinct drivers. First, NTI growth approximating 50 new stores annually starting in 2024. Two, continued upward pressure on equilibrium retail margins approximating 30 to 40 basis points annually. Three, sustaining the higher rate of merchandise contribution growth we experienced in 2022 and 2023, which was about 7% annually. And last, number four, continued operational improvements to make our business more competitive, which is the legacy of our history as a public company.

This figure was a single point target that represented in our view, the potential of our business, based on a set of factors in a normal environment, some of which, which are within our control and some are outside of our control.

Since then our progress against some of these metrics have been slower than anticipated as we have shared with you during prior earnings, call-in, investor conferences, while some other metrics have been realized ahead of our expectations.

So let's take stock and review our progress against this target.

It was predicated on 4, distinct drivers first NTI growth, approximating 50 new stores, annually starting in 2024.

continued upward pressure on equilibrium retail margins approximating 30 to 40 basis points annually.

3 sustaining, the higher rate of merchandise contribution growth we experienced in 2022 and 2023, which was about 7% annually.

Andrew Clyde: Together, in a normal environment, these resulted in a five-year view of a little over $1.25 billion in EBITDA, such that another penny of fuel margin would yield the $1.3 billion of potential EBITDA we referenced. Starting with non-fuel performance on existing stores, we're about $20 million behind our expectations for 2028. The largest driver is at QuickCheck, where older non-fuel stores have been impacted the most from the QSR value wars, while food and beverage margins have been hampered by cost inflation, and overall weakness in the Northeast traffic has been persistent, impacting center store performance. As we look beyond 2028, these older non-fuel stores are coming off lease, and we would expect food margins to stabilize as we continue to drive traffic on our high-volume fuel stores.

And last, number 4 continued: operational improvements to make our business more competitive, which is the legacy of our history as a public company.

Together in a normal environment, these resulted in a 5 year view of a little over 1.25 billion in ebitda such that, another opinion of fuel margin would yield the 1.3 billion of potentially. But uh, we referenced

starting with non-fuel performance on existing stores. We're about 20 million dollars behind our expectations for 2028. The largest driver is a quick check. We're older. Non-fuel stores have an impacted the most from the qsr value Wars, while food and beverage margins have been hampered by cost inflation and overall weakness in the Northeast traffic has been persistent impacting Center of store performance.

Andrew Clyde: Murphy branded merchandise contribution was also lower, reflecting the compounding of delays in some of the center of store initiatives last year and cigarette weakness this year. Offsetting a lower base for compounding on the top line in contribution margin growth is better than expected operating cost and SG&A cost, both in terms of what we have realized to date and what we are highly confident ongoing initiatives will deliver, which will also then deliver compounded benefits from a lower base. Moving to new stores, we are also about $20 million behind our expectations for 2028 due to fewer store months. While the fewer store months create a drag on fuel volume and merchandise sales, it is offset by lower operating cost and rent, but more importantly is the offset from new stores that are performing better than our plan.

As we look Beyond 2028. These older non-fuel stores are coming off lease and we would expect food. Margins to stabilize as we continue to drive traffic on our high-volume fuel stores.

Murphy branded merchandise contribution was also lower reflecting the compounding of delays in some of the center restore initiatives last year in cigarette weakness, this year,

Offsetting a lower base for compounding on the top line in contribution. Margin growth is better than expected. Operating costs in sg&a costs. Both in terms of what we have realized today and what we are highly confident ongoing initiatives will deliver which will also then deliver compounded benefits from a lower base.

Moving to new stores. We are also about 20 million dollars behind our expectations for 2028 due to fewer storm months.

Andrew Clyde: Turning to fuel at existing stores, the shortfall we have seen in same-store volumes is offset by higher fuel margins and lower payment fees in our forecast. We expected and continue to expect PS&W's net of RENS to normalize between 2.5 and 3 cents per gallon with a more balanced supply-demand outlook. Based on current market and competitive dynamics, we would expect retail margins to improve about a half a cent per gallon per year, slightly above what we had in our original plan. These updated assumptions generate EBITDA potential of around 1.2 billion in 2028. We also expected and continue to expect to see more normalized fuel prices and volatility levels such that we can claw back an extra 1 cent per gallon where we have been more aggressive to sustain volume in a much lower price environment over the last several quarters.

While the fewer storm months creates a drag on fuel volume and merchandise sales it is offset by lower operating cost and rent. But more importantly is the offset from new stores that are performing better than our plan.

Turning to fuel that existing stores. The shortfall we have seen in same store, volumes is offset by higher fuel margins, and lower payment fees in our forecast.

Continue to expect PSN W's net of friends to normalize between 2.5 and 3 cents per gallon with a more balanced supply-demand outlook.

Based on current market and competitive Dynamics. We would expect retail margins to improve about a half, a cent per gallon per year. Slightly above what we had in our original plan,

These updated assumptions generate IBA doll potential of around 1.2 billion in 2028.

Andrew Clyde: That penny would get you back to the original $1.25 billion plan for 2028, and if the environment yielded an additional penny above and beyond that, we would realize close to the original $1.3 billion figure. No matter what 2028 EBITDA ultimately turns out to be, in a normalized environment where merchandise contribution offsets OPEX growth and volume pressures are abated at higher fuel prices, we expect incremental benefits on retail margins in addition to the $40 to $50 million EBITDA contribution expected from each new build class at maturity. The trajectory of the business will look far different in 2028 versus what we see today as we ramp up our NTI program. Outside of fuel margin expectations, we have shown we can manage the puts and takes of our business and honestly believe there's more upside than downside on the merchandise assumptions given the reset baseline.

We also expected in continued to expect to see more normalized fuel prices and volatility levels, such that we can claw back. An extra 1 cent per gallon. Will we have been more aggressive to sustain volume in a much lower price environment over the last several quarters?

That Penny would get you back to the original 1.25 billion plan for 2028. And at the environment, yield in an additional Penny above and beyond that, we would realize close to the original 1.3 billion figure.

No matter what 2028 ebita ultimately turns out to be in a normalized environment for merchandise, contribution offsets Opex, growth and volume pressures are abated at higher fuel prices. We expect incremental benefits on retail margins, in addition, to the 40 to 50 million dollars of Evita contribution expected from each new bill class at maturity. The trajectory of the business will look far different in 2028 versus what we see today as we ramp up our NTI program.

Andrew Clyde: The range of outcomes is and always will be primarily a function of the level of fuel margins realized. Our investment thesis, as the largest single buyer of our shares every year, is that prices, margins, and the underlying drivers lead to a bumpy path towards a higher normalized level. And with a highly disciplined 50/50 capital allocation strategy, coupled with a conservative balance sheet, we are well-positioned to continue our track record of TSR growth. So with that, we will open up the call to questions.

Outside of fuel margin expectations. We have shown, we can manage the puts and takes of our business and honestly believe there's more upside than downside on the merchandise assumptions. Given the reset Baseline

The range of outcomes is and always will be primarily a function of the level of fuel margins realized our investment thesis is the largest single buyer of our shares. Every year is that prices margins and the underlying drivers lead to a bumpy path towards a higher normalized level and with highly disciplined, 50/50 Capital allocation strategy, coupled with a conservative balance sheet. We are well, positioned to continue our track record of TSR growth.

Jeannie: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Again, we do ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. And your first question comes from the line of Anthony Bonadio with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

So with that, we will open up the call to questions.

I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, we do ask that you limit yourself to 1 question and 1 follow-up.

Anthony Bonadio: Yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking our question. I just wanted to ask about gallons for starters. Can you just talk about why trends seemingly worsened throughout the quarter and how your market share trended over that period? And then if it's an industry issue, I guess why we didn't see more retail margin growth to offset that given those poor volumes would translate to higher break evens?

And your first question comes from the line of Anthony banado with Wells Fargo, please go ahead.

Andrew Clyde: Yeah, so the first thing, the trend in the quarter is partly masked by the April-May update, which had a different same-store base that we had than for the full quarter. And so, you know, where June trended around 4% down, leading to the quarter where it ended up. So there was some deceleration, but not as significant as it showed based on the April-May numbers with that different base. In terms of where margins ended up, you know, we see our margins not only improve, but they improved at lower credit card fees and by being at least a cent per gallon more aggressive than we were in the past year's quarter. So I would say with that, industry margins were up in a low-price environment.

Yeah, hey guys, uh, thanks for taking our question. I just wanted to ask about gallons for starters. Uh, can you just talk about, uh, why Trends seemingly worsened throughout the quarter? Uh, and how your market share? Turn it over that period and then if it's an industry issue, uh, I guess why we didn't see more retail margin growth. Uh, to offset that given those poor volumes would translate to higher break evens.

Andrew Clyde: You know, we typically put a little bit more on the street to hold volume and continue to drive traffic, stay top of mind with the consumer. And that's our view that when, you know, prices achieve a more normal level versus this, you know, lower level, we're able to claw some of that back.

Yes. So the first thing uh the trend in the quarter is partly matched by the April May update which had uh a different same store base that we had than for the full quarter. And so uh you know we're June trended around 4% down leading to the uh the quarter uh where it ended up. So there was some deceleration but not as significant uh as it showed based on the April May number. It's with that different base in terms of where margins ended up, you know, we see our margins, not only improved but they improved at lower credit card fees and by being at least a cent per gallon, more aggressive than we were in the past, uh uh uh Year's quarter. So I would say with that industry margins were up in a low price environment. You know, we typically put a little bit more on the street to hold volume and continue to drive traffic. Stay top of mind with the uh uh consumer.

Galagher Jeff: And Anthony quickly to add, we did outpace Opus volumes in each of our markets that we look at for the full quarter. And while June did decelerate for us, it also decelerated for Opus. And as we mentioned a couple of times on the call, July volumes have returned back to 100% last year.

And that's our view that when you know, prices achieve, a more normal level versus this, you know, uh lower level, we're able to claw, some of that back.

Anthony Bonadio: Okay, and then just on guidance, I guess, I know you mentioned gallons sort of running below, inside at the low end, but still in range. And then you've got OPEX SG&A running below. I guess, like, net of all that, it sounds like you're more or less reiterating EBITDA. I guess, is that right?

Anthony quickly to add. We we did outpace Opus volumes, and each of our markets that we look at for the full quarter. And while June did accelerate decelerate for us it also decelerated for Opus. And as we mentioned a couple of times on the call July volumes have returned back to 100% of last year.

Okay. And then just on guidance, I guess, um, I know you mentioned gallon sort of running below, uh, inside at the low end, but still in range. Uh, and then you've got Opex, sgna running below. I guess, like net of all that, it sounds like you're more or less reiterating, uh, evida, I guess. Is that, right?

Andrew Clyde: Well, and we don't give an EBITDA guidance because we don't give a fuel margin guidance. But yeah, as you go through the puts and takes, there's a lot of offsets there. So we're on the lower end of merch. We're making up for that by being at or below the better end of OPEX and G&A. And as you said, volume slightly at or slightly below the low end. So a lot of puts and takes there, if you will.

Galagher Jeff: Got it. Thanks so much, guys.

Uh of Opex, uh and GNA. And as you said volume slightly um uh, add or slightly below the low end, so a lot of puts and takes their if you will.

Got it. Thanks so much, guys.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Parans Sharma with Stevens. Please go ahead.

Your next question comes from the line of pan. Sharma with Stevens, please go ahead.

Pooran Sharma: I appreciate the question here. Just wanted to get a sense of the store build. Looks like first half, you know, it seemed like we were going to be a bit behind pace, and I know you've talked about getting a more even build throughout the year. But I think you mentioned, you know, still on pace for, I believe, 40. And you know, I was going to ask what gives you confidence in hitting this number, but it sounds like you already have a lot of wheels in motion, a lot in the pipeline already. So I just wanted to ask you, what's changed in your kind of store build program relative to prior years, just given your confidence talking about the next 12 months and going forward?

Andrew Clyde: Well, some of this is bottlenecks. At some point, if you have, you know, so many stores in the queue that have a bottleneck, they're released. And so I think that's a big part, whether it's permitting or tanks or, you know, some supply chain, you know, issues. We continue to build up the pipeline. And then I think, as we've talked about on the last calls, you know, there's a few things where we've, you know, taken a different view of risk and cost to make sure that things don't, you know, get delayed, you know, that are within our control. So I think when you look at the number of stores under construction, the numbers of stores we expect to see under construction, you know, and then the pipeline beyond that for '26 and '27, that's what gives us, you know, the confidence.

The question here. Um, just wanted to get a sense of uh of the store build. Um, looks like first half, um, you know, it it seemed like we were going to be a bit behind pace and I know you've talked about getting a more even build throughout the year, um, but, but I think you mentioned, you know, still on Pace for, I believe 40. Um, and and and, and you, you know, I was going to ask what, what gives you confidence and hitting this number. But it sounds like you already have a lot of Wheels in Motion a lot um in the pipeline already. So just wanted to ask you what's changed in in your kind of store build program relative to Prior years. Um, just giving your confidence talking about the next 12 months and going forward.

Andrew Clyde: There's nothing like having the shovel already in the ground to know that you're going to get that store built. And whether we said before, we weren't going to get to 50 openings this year, we'd have well more than 50 starts. And I believe when you add what we do in January to what we close the year at, we're pretty dang close to that 50 number.

Well, some some of the bottlenecks at some point, if you have, you know, so many stores in the queue that have a bottleneck, they're released. And so I think that's that's a big part whether it was permitting or tanks or, you know, some supply chain um you know, issues we continue to build up uh the pipeline. And then I think as we've talked about on the last calls, you know, there's a few things where we've, you know, taken a different view of risk and cost to make sure that things don't, uh, you know, get delayed, you know that are within our, uh, controls. So I think when you look at the number of stores under construction, the numbers that stores, we expect to see under construction. Um, you know, and then the pipeline beyond that uh for 26 and 27. That's what gives us. You know, the confidence there's nothing like having the shovel already in the ground to know that you're going to get that store built. And whether it we said before, we weren't going to get to 50 openings this year, we'd have well more than 50 starts and I believe when you add what we do in January uh,

Galagher Jeff: Just to add a little bit, I do want to give some credit to our store development team. It's really gone aggressively looking for great sites. And our pipeline, total pipeline now is over 250 stores. As Andrew mentioned, in the rolling next four quarters, we expect to open 50 stores. And the performance we're seeing is outstanding. As we mentioned on the call, since 2021, each class has outperformed their expectations, outperformed the pro forma. So we continue to see really good results from the stores that are open, and now we're building the pipeline to open more.

To what we close the year at. We're pretty dang close to that 50 number.

Just to add a little bit, I do want to get some credit to our store development team, it's really gone aggressively looking for great sites, and our pipeline total pipeline now is over 250 stores. As Andrew mentioned in the rolling, next 4 quarters. We expect to open 50 stores and the performance we're seeing is outstanding. Um, as we mentioned on the call, since 2021, each class is outperformed their expectations, outperform, the proforma. So we can continue to see a really good results from

Mindy West: And I would echo that too. And I think it's tougher when you come from a lower base to generate that kind of inertia and momentum. But now that we are getting that and filling the funnel with greater numbers of projects in the queue, I think it will allow us to have some momentum to continue that type of build program in the years to follow this year and next.

Stores that are open, and now we're building the pipeline to open more.

And I would Echo that too. And I think it's tougher when you come from a lower base to generate that kind of inertia and momentum. But now that we are getting that and feeling the funnel um with greater numbers of projects in the queue, I think it will allow us to have some momentum to continue that type of build program um in the years to follow this year. And next

Pooran Sharma: Great, great. Appreciate the color there. And I guess for the follow-up, you know, just wanted to get a sense of the, you know, overall demand environment and then also the degree of cost flex and like the optionality you have in the back half of the year to offset markets. We, you know, I'm only saying this because we do see several weeks of gasoline demand from the Department of Energy down year over year. You did mention that you outperformed Opus data in several of your markets. But just given the lower demand environment, I was just wondering if you could help us understand with a little bit more granularity what kind of optionality you have in your ability to flex your costs, essentially, in the back half.

Great. Great. Appreciate the the color there.

And I guess for the follow-up.

Um, you know, just wanted to get a sense of the, um, you know, overall demand environment and then also the degree of cost.

Andrew Clyde: Yeah. You know, as it relates to demand, look, we've said it for years, in a lower price environment, there's some consumer on the margin who's not as price sensitive. If you find yourself in a low price environment where unemployment goes up, inflation continues unabated, and you know, you start seeing, you know, various, you know, corporate changes, et cetera, that changes the dynamics. So it's really all about the price sensitivity of consumers and that consumer on the margin. That's why we talk about putting an extra penny on the street. That's why we talk about the benefits of Murphy Drive Rewards and QuickCheck Rewards as tools we have now that we didn't have when prices were low in 2015, '16, and '17.

Flex. Um, and and, and like the optionality, you have in the back, half of the year to offset markets. We, you know, I'm only saying this because we do see several weeks of gasoline, demand from the Department of energy down year-over-year. You, you did mention that you outperformed, Opus data in, uh, in several of your markets. But, um, just given the lower demand environment was, um, just wondering if, if you could help us understand with a little bit more granularity, what kind of optionality do you have uh, in your ability to to to flex your your your costs essentially in the back half?

Yeah.

you know, as, as it relates to demand, look, we we've said it for for years, in a lower price environment, there's some

Andrew Clyde: And so, you know, at some point, you know, when you invest in a company that you see fuel margins being the, you know, the ultimate driver of value, and you see some ebbs and flows, you know, this is one of those trough periods where volumes from a demand side are a little bit tighter, all right? And you know, we're going to have to be more aggressive from a margin standpoint to winning customers. I think whether it's remote work, whether it's the battery electric, you know, vehicle percent of sales changing as to car ownership, CAFE standards, et cetera, changing, we're actually bullish on the North American fuel outlook, you know, in 2030 and beyond as a lot of changes have taken place.

And so, you know, at some point, you know, when you invest in a company that you see fuel margins being the, you know, the ultimate driver of value uh and you see some es and flows, you know, this is 1 of those trough periods where volumes um uh from a demand site are a little bit tighter, all right. And you know we're going to have to be more aggressive from a margin standpoint uh to

Winning customer, I think.

Andrew Clyde: You know, as it relates to cost and optionality, I think the current quarter and first half of the year is a great example of that. We've streamlined over time. If we, you know, see some lower demand, we can, you know, optimize even store hours if we have to with our unattended overnight fuel. If you see, you know, applicants more than doubling versus the same time a year ago, and you see softness in the labor market, you can be thoughtful on your labor rates, especially around new employees, which was a key benefit for us in the period. You know, loss prevention and maintenance were two other categories where we demonstrated lower costs. So, you know, there are things that you can do because of the environment.

Uh, whether it's remote work, whether it's the battery electric, you know, vehicle percent of sales changing its the car ownership, half a standards Etc changing. Uh, we're actually bullish on the North American fuel Outlook, um, you know, in 2030, uh, and and Beyond just a lot of changes of uh, taking place, you know as it relates to cost. Um, an optionality. Uh I mean I think the current quarter and first half of the year is a is a great example of of that we've streamlined over time, if we, you know, see some lower demand, we can, you know, optimize even store hours if we have to with our unattended overnight fuel. Uh, if you see, you know, applicants, uh, more than doubling versus the same time a year ago and you see softness in the labor market, uh, you can be thoughtful on your labor rates, uh, especially around new employees, which was, uh, key benefit.

Andrew Clyde: There's levers you can pull, but you never want to pull back too hard on things like maintenance because those things catch up with you in the long run. You don't want to pull back on value. As we mentioned, QuickCheck's had three straight quarters of food and beverage growth, which is unlike a lot of the big QSRs who pull those levers and give up a value proposition. So we're keen and well-positioned to weather, you know, a cycle of lower demand, lower prices, managing it for the long run because we know in the long run, our everyday low price value model is going to be a winning model with consumers.

Andrew Clyde: And we've got a balance sheet capital allocation strategy that allows us to continue to build stores in more difficult times so that when they're up and running and the, you know, the cycle shifts, you're taking full advantage of that. So we don't get too wound up about, you know, any one-year demand picture. We're more bullish about the long-term demand.

Uh, for us in the period, you know loss prevention and maintenance for 2 other categories, where we demonstrated lower cost? So, you know, there are things that, uh, you can do because of the environment, there's levers, you can pull, but you never want to pull back too hard on things like maintenance. Because, uh, those things catch up with you in the long run, you don't want to pull back on value. As we mentioned, quick checks had 3, straight quarters of uh, food and beverage growth, which is unlike a lot of the big qsrs who pull those levers and give up a value proposition. So we're keen and well positioned to whether, you know, a cycle of lower demand, lower prices managing it for the long run because we know in the long run our everyday low price, value model is going to be 8 winning models with consumers and we've got a balance sheet Capital allocation strategy uh that allows us to continue to build stores and more difficult times.

so that when they're up and running in the uh, you know, the cycle shifts, you're taking full advantage of that so we don't get too wound up about

Mindy West: And for just adding to that, particularly about the cost side of the business, we do have multiple activities underway to improve the productivity of our store. Some of those are business-led, some are initiative-led. Benefits are showing up. As you saw, we're controlling OPEX to the low end of our guided range, and that's despite opening those new stores, which incur full expenses day one while the revenue ramps over time. So this quarter, we did see the improvement on several fronts: maintenance, labor, loss prevention, as Andrew mentioned. And we expect to continue to be able to drive value from all of those efforts.

You know, anyone, your demand picture, uh, we we're more bullish about the long term demand.

Mindy West: And we know that, look, despite whatever's happening on the demand front, we know that over time, ensuring that our stores are well supplied, they're in stock, they're clean, our equipment's working, our staff is friendly and helpful, those are all the ingredients in the recipe that make a successful store and allow us to be able to attract and retain the customers. So that is what we're focused on. Our operating model is one of the lowest costs in the industry, and we will continue to squeeze additional costs from our business to enable that EDLP strategy, as Andrew said, which is so important to our customer who needs that.

And Forum, just adding to that, particularly about the cost side of the business, we do have multiple activities underway to improve the productivity of our store. Some of those are business-led, some are initiative LED benefits are showing up as you saw. We're controlling Opex to the low end of our guided range and that's despite opening those new stores which incur full expenses day 1 while the revenue ramps over time. So this quarter, we did see the Improvement on several fronts maintenance. Labor loss, prevention is Andrew mentioned and we expect to continue to be able to drive uh value from all of those efforts. And we know that look, despite whatever's happening on the demand front. We know that over time, ensuring that our stores are well, supplied, they're in stock, they're clean. Our equipment's working, our staff is friendly and helpful. Those are all the ingredients and the recipe that make us successful store and allow us to be able to attract and retain the customers. So that is what we're focused on.

Our operating model, is 1 of the lowest costs in the industry, and we will continue to squeeze additional costs from our business to enable that edlp strategy. As Andrew said, which is so important to our customer who needs that.

Pooran Sharma: Great. Appreciate the color.

Great, appreciate the color.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Bonnie Herzog: All right. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I had a question on merchandise contribution. You did just talk down, you know, your guidance this year, but it does still imply a healthy acceleration in the back half. So just curious, you know, to hear from you, what gives you the comfort that this new guidance is achievable despite, you know, what remains a pretty challenging operating and macro environment? And then just curious to hear any specific initiatives you have in place to drive faster growth, and you know, is your merch contribution guidance predicated on continued improvement at QuickCheck? Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog, with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Andrew Clyde: Right. So on the merch side, you know, I think Galagher and I both mentioned that if you take out cigarettes and lottery, the Murphy branded stores are up 8.9%. I mean, that's incredible growth in the context of the environment you described, Bonnie. I mean, we're seeing, you know, chocolate, candy price increases. We continue to see packaged beverage increases. We've just taken a different approach working with the manufacturers around value, helping them drive their base load volume. And those are, you know, two categories: packaged beverage and candy, where we showed significant upside in the quarter. Other nicotine continues to do very, very well. And you know, where we had tobacco weakness on cigarettes in the first half because of the promotional cycle, the promotions were running in the second half, and we've already started, you know, give us confidence around that front.

All right, thank you. Good morning everyone. I had a question on merchandise contribution. You did just talk down, you know, your guidance this year, but it does still imply a healthy acceleration in the back half. So just curious, you know, to hear from you. What gives you the comfort that this new guidance is achievable, despite, you know, what, remains a pretty challenging operating and macro environment. And then just curious to hear any specific initiatives you have in place to drive faster growth. And you know is your merch contribution guy in this predicated on continued Improvement at Kwik Chek. Thank you.

Andrew Clyde: You know, other initiatives that we have as it relates to, you know, getting more customer reach, we had a significant increase in new enrollments from Murphy Drive Rewards. And so we've got some initiatives underway to further drive that enrollment. And we see those members' baskets and frequency in contribution to the business greater than participants and non-members. You know, so that's one of the initiatives. And we continue to have innovation on the QuickCheck side in terms of our subletches, you know, or more value offer, as well as the continued success of our premium offers, you know, there. So, you know, I would say there's just a lot of things going on. And you know, you know, part of one thing that's frustrating on the QuickCheck side is we're driving the sales.

I mean, that's that's, uh, incredible, uh, growth in the context of the environment, you described Bonnie. I mean we're seeing uh you know, chocolate candy price increases. We continue to see package beverage increases, we've just taken a different approach, uh, working with the manufacturers, uh, around value, helping them Drive their base load volume. Uh, and those are, you know, 2 categories, package beverage and Candy, uh, where we showed, uh, significant upside, uh, in the quarter, um, other nicotine, uh, continues to do very, very well. And you know, where we had tobacco weakness on cigarettes in the first half because of the promotional cycle. Uh, the promotions were running in the second half and we've already started, you know, give us confidence um around that front. Uh you know, other initiatives that we have uh as it relates to um you know getting more customer reach uh

We had a significant increase in new enrollments from Murphy Drive rewards. And so we've got some initiatives underway uh to further Drive uh that enrollment and we see those members uh baskets and frequency uh and contribution to the business greater than participants and and non-members uh, you know, so that's, that's 1 of the initiatives. And we continue to have Innovation on the Quick Check site in terms of our uh, sub which is, you know, or more

Andrew Clyde: We continue to see some headwinds around, you know, food cost, you know, and the like. And we believe when those abate, it'll be a lot easier to demonstrate kind of higher margin contribution because we won't have to go back and win back the customer because we, you know, priced and gave them value during this period, so we didn't lose them. And you know, you follow some of the other QSRs that are really, you know, struggling to figure out their price per check increases that ran off so many customers. I don't know if others have anything they want to add on initiatives.

Bonnie Herzog: That was really helpful. I appreciate that color. Maybe just a quick follow-up because you touched on it is nicotine, and you highlighted some of the pressures was promotion-related in the first half. And it sounds like you just mentioned you have some sense of what it's going to look like in the second half. But should I understand that to mean that you feel better about the contribution from nicotine maybe being a little, again, stronger in the second half versus the first half? And then just wanted to hear if you're seeing any, you know, improvements, you know, with this, you know, on that business, you know, from the so-called stepped-up efforts to crack down on illicit e-cigs. Is that still kind of a headwind for you as well? Thank you.

Allow you offer, uh, as well as the, uh, continued success of our premium offers, uh, you know there. So, you know, I would say there's just a lot of things going on and, you know, you know, part of 1 of the things frustrating on the, the Quick Chek side is, we're we're driving the sales. Uh, we continue to see some headwinds around, you know, food cost. Uh, you know, and the like, and we believe when those Abate, it'll be a lot easier to demonstrate kind of higher margin contribution. Uh, because we won't have to go back and win back the customer, uh, because we, you know, priced and gave them value during this period, so we didn't lose them. And, you know, you follow some of the other qsr, it's a really, you know, struggling to figure out their price per check increases, uh, that ran off so many customers. I don't know if others have anything they want to add on initiatives.

I was really helpful. I appreciate that color. Maybe just a quick follow-up because you touched on it is nicotine. And you, you highlighted some of the pressures was promotion related in the first half and it sounds like you just mentioned, you have some sense of what it's going to look like in the second half. But should I understand that to mean that you feel better about the contribution from nicotine, maybe being a little against stronger in the second half versus the first half and then just wanted to hear if you're seeing any, you know, improvements, you know, with this, you know, on that business, you know, from the so-called stepped up efforts.

Andrew Clyde: Yeah, no, we're definitely more bullish on second half than, you know, first half. First half, we were just comping against some really significant promotional activity, you know, last year. We also had a strong, you know, Q2 comp last year as well. I'm sure you listened to, you know, Dr. Mark Marrake a couple of days ago when he was interviewed in the morning, and he said something big is coming as it relates to illicit vapor and synthetic cratom. I don't know what that something big is. I know our industry partners have been doing a funnel all-out campaign with the FDA. I was encouraged by his discussion around, you know, risk and the continuum of risk and not going to attack these broad categories broadly, but really focus on the area where there's the greatest risk.

To crack down on illicit esig, is that still kind of a a headwind for you as well? Thank you.

Andrew Clyde: So, you know, that's a very positive sentiment coming out of the FDA that we haven't heard in a very long time.

Bonnie Herzog: Fair point. We will see. So thank you. I'll pass it on.

Yeah, no, we're definitely more bullish on second half than uh, you know, first half first half, we were just competing against some really significant promotional activity, um, you know, La last year, uh, the, uh, well I had a strong, you know, Q2 comp last year as well. I'm sure you listened to uh, you know, Dr. Mark, Marque a couple of days ago when he was interviewed uh in the morning. He said something big is coming as it relates to elicit vapor and synthetic uh uh Craton. I don't know what that something big is. I know our industry Partners have been doing, uh, a frontal, um, uh, allout campaign, uh, with the FDA I was encouraged by his discussion around, you know, risk and the Continuum of risk and not going to attack these broad categories, broadly, but really focus on the area, where there's the greatest risk. Uh, so, you know, that's, um, that's the very, uh, positive sentiment coming out of the FDA that we haven't heard in.

A very long time.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Bobby Griffin with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Fair point; we will see. So, thank you. I'll pass it on.

Galagher Jeff: Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, Andrew, first, I want to circle back on the guidance moving parts that you guys discussed, understanding that you guys don't guide for a fuel margin. But if you were to take the range that you gave us at first and just assume the business ends up in that fuel margin range for the year, would you still generate the level of EBITDA that that range implied? And basically, what I'm trying to get at is just to understand if the OPEX offsets are fully offsetting the, you know, the merchandise pressure we're seeing in the gallons. Just trying to understand that range and the sensitivity there.

Your next question comes from the line of Bobby Griffin with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey everybody, thanks for taking the questions.

Pooran Sharma: Yeah, so.You

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Andrew Clyde: know, if you add all of that up and you have our original, you know, fuel margin range, you're going to be below that, EBITDA number that was put out there. And largely, that's driven by Q1, right? And, you know, the impact, that that we had there. So OpEx is, you know, more than making up for, you know, challenges on, you know, the merch side, as we referenced on tobacco, SG&A is having a significant, impact, as well. So it's it's really going to be the end of the year predicated on where we, you know, land with the, fuel margin, you know, in the second half.

Andrew Clyde: But, you know, if you just adjust for, Q1 and kind of the trajectory on on the volume side in this low-price environment, you know, that's going to have a bigger impact than the offsetting effects that OpEx and G&A have on the merch side.

Galagher Jeff: Understood. That's helpful. And then, Galagher Jeff.

Yeah. So you know, if you add all of that up and you have our original, um, you know, fuel margin range, you're going to be below that, uh, uh, ebita number that was put out there and largely, that's driven by q1, right? And, uh, you know, the impact, uh, that, that we had there. So Opex, is, you know, more than making up for, um, you know, challenges on, you know, the merch side as we referenced on Tobacco sgna having a significant, uh, impact, uh, as well. So it's it's really going to be the end of the year predicated on where we, you know, land with the fuel margin, you know, in the the second half. But, you know, if you just adjust for, uh, q1 and kind of the trajectory we're on, on the volume side, in this low price environment, you know, that it's going to have a bigger impact than the offsetting effects that Opex and GNA have on the merch site.

Andrew Clyde: And by the way, just one other point, you know, with Q1 PS and W being, you know, below that, you know, that's kind of a, you know, we're still seeing a very long, long loose environment with a lot of, high refinery utilization and a lot of exports.

Galagher Jeff: Yes. good point. It's nice to see that bounce back this quarter versus the one, two. I guess my second question is more near-term. Just want to make sure I understand the comments. July back to 100%. I believe that is on an APSM basis for for fuel volume, correct? And I don't think you gave any comments on just July retail margins as we typically talk about, but anything you can share with us there?

Understood, that's helpful. And then, um, gather and by the way, just 1, other point, you know, with q1 PS and W being, you know, below that, you know, that's kind of a, um, you know, we're still seeing a very long long loose environment with a lot of uh, hi Refinery utilization and a lot of exports.

Andrew Clyde: No, it's on an APSM basis. And, you know, with adjustments and, you know, these different calculations you do, only at the end of the month. It's just premature to, you know, give a fuel margin number for for July. If we'd been doing this call a week from today, you know, we'd have more confidence in that number.

Yes. Uh good point, nice to see that bounce back. This quarter versus the, the 1 Q. I guess my second question is more near-term. Just want to make sure I understand the comments July back to 100%. I believe that is on a apsm basis for for field, Fuel Volume, correct and I don't think you gave any comments on just July retail margins. As we typically talk about but anything you can share with us their

No, it's on an apsm basis. And, you know, the width adjustments and you know, these different calculations you do, uh, only at the end of the month, it's just premature to, uh, you know, give a fuel margin number for for July. If we've been doing this call,

Galagher Jeff: Understood.

A week from today. Uh, you know, we've had more confidence in that number.

Mindy West: We would expect it directionally, though, to be somewhere in the high 20s.

Galagher Jeff: On the retail only.

Mindy West: On the retail only side.

Understood. We would expect it directionally, though, to be somewhere in the high 20s.

Galagher Jeff: Thank you. That's helpful. And I guess just lastly for me, this really impressive OpEx performance across the P&L here. just curious if you can unpack that a little further. Is that, you know, some timing aspects, or is that more of the the work Mindy, you, and the team, and everybody's been doing on productivity that we've talked about on these lower quartile stores starting to actually now move into harvest stage and flow through?

Or retail, only on the retail, only side.

Thank you, that's helpful. And I guess just lastly, for me, this really impressive Opex performance across the P&L here. Um, just curious, if you can unpack that a little further— is that some timing aspects, or is that more of the work Mindy, you and the team, and everybody's been doing on productivity that we've talked about? On these lower court off stores, starting to actually now move into harvest stage and flow through?

Mindy West: As I said earlier, you know, we are seeing the benefits show up in the results through both business-led and initiative-led because we're really trying to tackle on all fronts our store productivity. So yes, I think you're seeing the fruits of those efforts come to bear. And I think that there's more than we can do. We continue to identify larger opportunities and maintenance from both incident response as well as vendor accountability, also opportunities and team effectiveness. Now, keep in mind, though, these benefits are going to show up in multiple ways. Some of them are going to be very difficult to attribute. What I mean by that is, on some levels, we're going to have cost savings through things like doing self-maintenance at our stores versus calling in a technician. Other things are going to be more cost avoidance.

Mindy West: So, for example, by keeping fuel dispensers better maintained, that will result in fewer breakdowns. And then also things like customer loss avoidance. You know, using fuel as an example, if we have a dispenser down at one of our stations, does that mean customers drive away, or do they use one of the seven others that are actually working? probably you're not going to lose those customers initially, but eventually, if that is a chronic problem, then you are going to have certain customers who are going to, look at the long lines and go somewhere else. So that's why we know that over time, we're working on the right things. It may be hard to attribute that as a financial impact, you know, quarter to quarter, but we know that that is the recipe for success in our stores.

As I said earlier, you know, we are seeing the benefits show up in the results through both business-led and initiative lead because we're really trying to tackle on all fronts, our store productivity. So, yes, I think you're seeing the fruits of those efforts. Um, come to bear and I think that there's more than we can do. We continue to identify larger opportunities and maintenance, um, from both incident response as well as vendor accountability also opportunities in team Effectiveness. Now, keep in mind though these benefits are going to show up in multiple ways, some of them are going to be very difficult to attribute. Um, what I mean by that is on some levels, we're going to have cost savings through things, like doing self-maintenance at our stores, versus calling in a technician. Other things are going to be more cost avoidance. So for example, by keeping fuel dispensers, better maintain that will result in fewer breakdowns. Um, and then also things like customer loss avoidance.

You know, using fuel as an example. If we have a dispenser down at 1 of our stations, does that mean customers drive away? Or do they use 1 of the 7 others that are actually working. Um, probably, you're not going to lose those customers initially. But eventually, if that is a chronic problem, then you are going to have certain customers who are going to, um, look at the long lines and go somewhere else. So, that's why we know that over time, we're working on the right things, it may be hard to attribute.

Mindy West: And yes, I think you are starting to see the green shoots, really, resulting in us being able to keep our OpEx under control and within the lower part of our guided range.

Galagher Jeff: Thank you.

Andrew Clyde: Molly, I was just going to say a couple of other things. The loss prevention, you know, opportunities has been something we have been working on for for quite a while and just taking a a targeted, more analytical approach to how we, address that. And and labor rate is a big, a big thing. So at, you know, QC, with a better demand forecasting model, you know, we shifted from full-time to part-time, labor where it where it makes more sense with the enhanced labor model, doing the same thing at, Murphy enhancing its labor model.

That has a financial impact, you know, quarter to quarter, but we know that that is the recipe for success in our stores. And yes, I think you are starting to see the green shoots, um, really, um, resulting in us being able to keep our Opex under control and within the lower part of our guided range.

Andrew Clyde: But in an environment where your applicant flow is, you know, more than double what it was, you do have the opportunity to be thoughtful about, you know, starting rates, rate increases, etc., as you maintain the competitiveness of your business, but stay in the sweet spot of where you want to be price-wise in the market.

Galagher Jeff: One more quick build, Bobby, just on your on your point. As in a challenging demand environment like this, there's a couple of things you do while you try to spur demand. One, and Mindy's team has done a great job in operations of you manage cost, right? We're doing that in our stores, doing that in the home office. And those are sustainable, as she talked through. We're not expecting this to be a one-time effort. We're continuing to manage cost. And on the second is you optimize cash. And we're spending our cash on the things that will pay off in very long term, such as the new stores and the shared purchase. But we're expecting the demand environment to come back, but we will have a lower cost structure when it does. Thank you, guys.

Model, uh, doing the same thing at um, uh Murphy enhancing, its labor model, but in a environment where your applicant flow is, you know, more than double what it was, uh, you do have the opportunity to be thoughtful about, you know, starting rates rate increases, uh, it Etc. Uh, as you maintain the competitiveness of your business but stay in The Sweet Spot of where you want to be priced wise in the market.

Galagher Jeff: I appreciate the time, and best of luck here in the second half.

1 more quick. Build Bobby just on your on your point as as in a challenging demand environment like this. There's a couple things you do. While you try to Spur demand 1 and Mindy's team has done a great job and operations of you manage costs. Right? We're doing that in our stores, doing it and the home office and those are sustainable. As as she talked through, we're not expecting this to be a 1-time effort. We're continuing to manage costs, and on the second issue, you optimize cash, and we're spending our cash on the things that will pay off and very long terms, such as the new stores, and the Sherry purchases. But we are expecting the demand environment to come back, but we will have a lower lower cost structure when it does.

Andrew Clyde: Thank you.

Thank you guys. I appreciate the time and best luck in the second half.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Jacob Aiken-Phillips with Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Christian Pikul: Hey, hey, good morning. so first, I wanted to talk a bit more about PS and W. Last quarter, there was a lot of focus on it. You went through like the temporal, cyclical, structural factors, etc. So I, I you already spoke about retail margins. I'm just curious if you can speak about like why the blip in Q2 and what we can expect for the rest of the year and going forward.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jacob Aken. Phillips with Melius research. Please go ahead.

Hey, hey, good morning. Um, so first I wanted to talk a bit more about PSN W last quarter, there's a lot of focus on it. You went through like the temporal was difficult or structural factors. Etc. So I you already spoke about retail margins. I'm just curious if you can speak about like why the flip and 2q and what we can expect for the rest of the year and going forward.

Mindy West: I can take that one. when we look at the first quarter results, PS and W were around 1.73. I think it was in a quarter that was really characterized, by very low volatility, a much longer supply environment than this quarter, although this quarter is still very long and loose. It was worse, actually, in the first quarter. And then, of course, we had all the storms with hundreds of stores down. So that impacted our demand profile. So when we look at this quarter and why the difference, still a pretty well-supplied market. yes, there were higher RIN values, but there was also a correspondingly offset result in our transfer to retail. price is 10% lower on absolute levels.

Mindy West: And so part of the difference between the, the impact this quarter versus last year, last quarter is just the amount of length in the supply market and also the direction and movement of pricing, which, impacts what we call our, non-controllables. So it was the timing of pricing and inventory variances, as well as the length of supply in the market was a little bit tighter this quarter versus last.

I can take that. Uh, when we look at the first quarter results, PSN W around 1.73%. This quarter, although this quarter is still very long and loose, uh, it was worse actually in the first quarter. And then, of course, we had all the storms with hundreds of stores down, so that impacted our demand, uh, profile. So, when we look at this quarter and why the difference, um, still a pretty well-supplied market? Um, yes, there were higher Ren values, but there was also a correspondingly offset, uh, result in our transfer to retail. Um, price is 10% lower on absolute levels. And so part of the difference between the, um,

The impact that's quarter versus last year. Last quarter is just the amount of length in the supply market and also the direction and movement of pricing which um, impacts what we call our um non-controllable.

so is the timing of pricing and inventory variances as well as the length of Supply in the market was a little bit tighter this quarter versus last

Christian Pikul: Thank you. And then, so on share repurchases, or I guess capital allocation, it seems like you may have like levered up a little bit or took out some debt to do that level of repurchase. And I understand the valuation dynamic. But can you walk through how you're like balancing leverage tolerance versus growth and capital returns given like the softer fuel volumes?

Andrew Clyde: Yeah. So we don't borrow money for any one particular purpose. We have a 50/50 capital allocation strategy. So you could have asked the question differently and said, "It seemed like you levered up to get all those stores in the pipeline." So we have a long-term commitment to that capital allocation strategy. So our financial framework is geared to that. So for every dollar we borrow, 50% is for growth, 50% is for shareholder distribution. So don't think about leveraging up to buy shares. It's just whatever leverage we need to maintain that 50/50. And we said we'd probably be hitting the balance sheet a little bit in '25 and '26. And in '27, '28, '29, and beyond, your, excess cash flow is going to be, going in the opposite direction.

Uh, thank you and then so on share repurchases or I guess Capital allocation. It seems like you may have like, levered up a little bit or took off some debt to do that level of repurchase and I understand the valuation Dynamic, but can you walk through how you're like balancing leverage tolerance versus growth and capital returns given like, the softer fuel volumes?

Yeah, so we don't borrow money for any 1 particular purpose. We have a 50/50 Capital, allocation strategy. So you could have asked the question differently and said it seemed like you levered up to get all those stores in the pipeline.

So, we have a long-term commitment to that capital allocation strategy. Our financial framework is geared towards that. For every dollar we borrow, 50% is for growth and 50% is for shareholder distribution. So, don't think about leveraging up to buy shares; it's just whatever leverage we need to maintain that 50/50. We said we'd probably be hitting the balance sheet a little bit in 2025 and 2026.

Galagher Jeff: Jacob, just to just to reiterate, we're very purposeful with our balance sheet. We took on some additional financing early in Q2, to make sure we had the flexibility to run our strategy for the next three-plus years. So that strategy, as Andrew mentioned, is, is, you know, investing in new stores, continuing the repurchases. You know, we've said we're comfortable at leverage, around 2.5 or below. We're going to be right at 2.0, Q2 right now. So we're very comfortable with our balance sheet and gives us a lot of flexibility as we go forward.

6 and in 272829 and Beyond uh your uh excess. Cash flow is going to be uh going in the opposite direction.

Christian Pikul: Thank you.

Jacob, just to just to reiterate, we're very purposeful with our balance sheet, we took on some additional financing and early in Q2 um to make sure we had the flexibility to run our strategy for the next 3 plus years. So that strategies Andrew mentioned is is you know, investing in new stores, continuing to repurchase. You know, we've said we're comfortable at leverage, um, around 2.5 or below. We're going to be right at 2.0, um, Q2 right now. So we're very comfortable with our balance sheet and gives us a lot of flexibility as we go forward.

Thank you.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Brad Thomas with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Andrew Clyde: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to follow up a bit on the fuel volume trends and was just wondering if you could just touch on the competitive landscape. Curious if you feel like you're seeing anything different there. And then, as you look at sort of the locations of stores, wondering if any difference geographically or perhaps those more co-located with Walmart versus those not so, where you might be seeing any differences. Thanks.

Andrew Clyde: Yeah, no real differences between Walmart versus non-Walmart locations. I mean, our customer, behavior is pretty consistent, across formats and and markets and and, proximity to different, retailers. you know, I would say that other everyday low-price retailers, experience the same thing we do from a convenience standpoint. You know, on the margin, there's some customers that, may go to a more convenient store. Certainly, in some of our markets, DFW is a great example. there's just a lot of low-price retailers there. So it's pretty convenient to find, you know, the next one. So, you know, nothing really different from a dynamic standpoint in kind of big established markets where competitive entry has taken place a few years ago. what we see every year somewhere, is a, you know, a high-volume retailer, emerging in a new market, area.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Um, I wanted to follow up a bit on the fuel, uh, volume Trends, and was just wondering if you could just touch on the competitive landscape curious, if you feel like you're seeing anything different there and then, as you look at sort of the locations of stores wondering, if any difference geographically or uh, perhaps those more coated co-located with Walmart versus those. Not so where you might be seeing any differences. Thanks.

Yeah, no real difference is between Walmart versus non-Walmart locations. I mean our customer.

Behavior is pretty consistent uh across formats and and markets and and uh proximity to different uh retailers.

Um, you know, I would say that other everyday, low price retailers uh experience the same thing we do from a convenience standpoint, you know, on the margin, there are some customers that uh, they go to a more convenient store, certainly in some of our markets DFW is a great example. Uh, they're just a lot of low price retailers there so it's pretty convenient to find, um, you know, the next 1. So, uh, you know, nothing really different from a dynamic standpoint, and kind of big established markets, where competitive entry is taking place a few years ago. Uh, what we see every year somewhere, uh, is a

Andrew Clyde: And, when they move in, there's greater competition, just like when we move in, to certain markets. And sometimes we move in at the same time as someone else. And so you may see some downward pressure, you know, on margins as you establish kind of a new equilibrium. and then, you know, margins restore. and fortunately, these are markets, that are growing markets, which is why, we're investing in them and others might be investing in them. So, you know, in any given year, there's going to be one or two pockets geographically where you see market entry at scale and there's greater competition. I would say in a lower price environment, generally, we're not the only one that's probably being a little bit more aggressive trying to retain, customers.

You know, a high-volume retailer, uh, emerging in a new market, uh, area. And, uh, when they move in, there's greater competition. Just like when we move into certain markets and sometimes we move in at the same time as someone else. And so you may see some downward pressure, you know, on margins as you establish kind of a new equilibrium. Um, and then.

You know, margins restore. Unfortunately, these are markets that are growing markets, which is why we're investing in them and others might be investing in them. So, you know, in any given year, there's going to be one or two pockets geographically where you see market entry at scale and there's greater competition. I would say in a lower price environment, generally we're not the only one that's probably being a little bit more aggressive trying to retain customers.

Galagher Jeff: That's helpful, Andrew. And as we think about OpEx and the success that you've seen here this quarter with some initiatives, can you help us just think about, does that take on a growing importance for you if volumes remain a bit weak in the near term? And how do you think about the opportunities in front of you on that aspect of the business?

Andrew Clyde: Yeah. That's a great question. Look, at the last investor conference we went to, there were a lot of questions, you know, kind of short term, long term. We just kind of got everyone focused back to slide 10 of the presentation we delivered at the Raymond James presentation in March. And it's really simple. We run highly productive, low-cost stores. And we have a zero break-even, you know, target. And if we were at full ramp on our new stores, we'd be doing better than that. And it's basically the merch contribution covers the OpEx and field and direct G&A. And so to the extent we can make improvements there, especially if we're seeing some, temporal headwinds on the merchandise side, we maintain that zero break-even.

That's helpful. Andrew and and as we think about Opex and the success that you've seen here, this quarter with some initiatives, can you, can you help us? Just think about does that take on a growing importance for you? If volumes remain a bit weak in the near term and how do you think about the opportunities in front of you on that aspect of the business? Yeah.

That's a great question. Look, it's the last investor conference. We went to, there are a lot of questions, uh, you know, kind of short-term long-term. We just kind of

Andrew Clyde: And then when you see a fuel margin that's being structurally resilient and growing, you know, we're able to then, with reductions in our non-direct G&A, you know, keep more cents per gallon on an adjusted EBITDA basis. And it kind of goes back to that, you know, long-run thesis where I kind of did the reconciliation. Yeah, we've put an extra penny or two on the street over the last few years in this low-price environment. and so we're not even, you know, capturing the full extent of that structurally resilient margin, that that we're seeing. And so at the end, that EBITDA margin on cents per gallon, it's all about growing your fuel volume. And we know that we're going to see some same-store declines and, you know, mature rural markets where we may be doing raising rebuilds, but, you know, demographics are shifting.

Got everyone focused back to slide. 10 of the presentation. We delivered at the Raymond James presentation uh in March and it it's really simple, we run, highly productive low-cost stores and we have a zero break even uh you know Target and if we were at full full ramp on our new stores, we'd be doing better than that. And it's basically the merch contribution covers the Opex and Fields and direct GNA. And so, to the extent, we can make improvements there especially for seeing some, uh, temporal headwinds on the merchandise side. We maintain that zero break, even

and then when you see a fuel margin, that's being structurally, resilient and growing,

You know, we're able to then with reductions in our non-direct GNA, you know, keep more cents, per gallon on an adjusted, Eva doll basis and it kind of goes back to that, you know, long run thesis where I kind of did the reconciliation. Yeah, we've put an extra Penny or 2 on the street over the last few years in this low price environment. Uh and so we're not even you know, capturing the full extent of that structurally resilient margin uh that that we're seeing and so at the end that Evita margin on cents per gallon, it's all about growing your

Andrew Clyde: but as Mindy and Galagher said, our new stores are performing, not only at a much higher level, but much higher than our expectations, and especially on a gallon basis. And so with 50 stores, at ramp, we keep growing that total fuel volume on a growing EBITDA margin. That's what creates the cash flow machine this business is, and that beautiful virtual cycle of then reinvesting into future growth and then having the cash flow to buy back shares, pay our dividend, and any other priorities. So that's really how we think about it. And we're less worried about kind of the ebbs and flows of, you know, the the cycle, you know, any temporal effects. You know, we've got this structural business.

Andrew Clyde: We've got this structural advantage because of our low operating and overhead cost that with that zero break-even, we'll be able to keep over the long run more of the fuel margin, you know, versus the marginal player and continue to grow EBITDA.

Mindy West: And Brad, while I would say that the OpEx mathematically may, in certain cycles, need to be more important, what I would hope is that culturally, it doesn't feel more important because it needs to always feel important, right? We are running an everyday low-price model for our customer who depends on that. And we cannot do that without underpinning that with everyday low cost. So regardless of the environment, we have to be ruthless on our cost, and it should just be part of our DNA and what we do every day.

Cash flow machine. This business is and that beautiful virtual cycle of then reinvesting into future growth and then having the cash flow to buy back shares, uh, pay our dividend uh, in any other priority. So that's really how we think about it. And we're less worried about kind of the es and flows of, you know, the the the cycle, you know, we need temporal effects, you know, we've got this structural business, we've got the structural Advantage because of our low operating and overhead costs that with that zero break even we'll be able to keep over the long run, more of the fuel margin, you know, versus the marginal player and continue to grow ebita.

While I would say that the Opex mathematically may, in certain cycles, need to be more important, what I would hope is that culturally, it doesn't feel more important because it needs to always feel important, right? We are running an everyday low price model for our customer who depends on that, and we cannot do that without underpinning it with everyday low cost. So regardless of the environment, we have to be ruthless on our cost, and it should just be part of our DNA and what we do every day.

Galagher Jeff: That's very helpful. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, Mindy.

Christian Pikul: Thanks.

That's very helpful. Thanks Andrew. Thanks. Manny.

Jeannie: Your next question comes from the line of Corey Tarlow with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thanks your next question.

Galagher Jeff: Great. Thanks, Andrew. was just wanted to ask a question on the long term. As you think about the 2028 target that you put out, what are some of the big changes that that you want to highlight? What's different? why make the update today and how you're thinking about, the building blocks of getting to that new target from where we're at, currently?

Andrew Clyde: Yeah. I think in terms of building it today, it's kind of been out there. And with some of the headwinds that we've had, you know, people just ask the straightforward question, is that target still intact? So when you hear investors ask a question enough times, you know, you go back and say, okay, let's update that target and reconcile, you know, the assumptions that we had with the new assumptions and provide a new view of that. It's just really as simple, you know, as that. you know, we've broken it down kind of similar to that slide 10, right? If you think about same-store performance outside of fuel, you know, we're behind on QuickCheck merchandise and Murphy merchandise. And fortunately, OpEx and G&A covers most of that gap in the 2028, you know, view off about $20 million.

Great. Thanks Andrew. Um, was just wanted to ask a question on the long term as you think about the 2028 Target that you put out? Um, what are were some of the big changes that that you want to highlight what's different? Uh, why make the update today and how you're thinking about um, the building blocks of getting to that new Target from where we're at, uh, currently

Yeah, I think in terms of building, it's a day. It's kind of been out there, and with some of the headwinds that we've had, you know, people just asked the straightforward question: is that target still intact?

So when you hear investors, ask a question enough times, you know, you go back and say, okay, what's update that Target and reconcile, you know, the assumptions that we had with the new assumptions and provide a new view of that, it's just really a simple. Um,

Andrew Clyde: Both are going to be compounding in the future off of a lower base. But as Mindy noted, if you're able to kind of keep that relationship intact, that's what's different for us versus other retailers. They may be, you know, shrinking their merch contribution and growing their OpEx. so that's really positive. You know, the new stores, you know, the impact there isn't as big a difference in the 2028. You know, we will miss those store months in '29 and '30 when they're at full ramp. the good news is, you know, that goal was to start in '24. we're going to hit 50 starts in '25, 50 openings if you can include January. and the good news is those stores are performing, at a better rate.

You know, is that, um, you know, we've broken it down, kind of similar to that slide 10, right? If you think about same store, performance outside of fuel, um, you know, we're behind on a quick check merchandise and Murphy merchandise and fortunately Opex and GNA covers. Most of that Gap in the 2028 uh you know, view off about 20 million dollars. Both are going to be compounding in the future off of a

Base. But as Mindy noted, if you're able to kind of keep that relationship intact, that's what's different for US versus other retailers. They may be, you know, shrinking their merch contribution and growing their offex. Uh, so that's really positive, you know, the new stores, um, you know, the impact there isn't as big, a difference in the 2028, you know, we will miss those store months in 29 and 30 when they're at full ramp

Andrew Clyde: the same-store volumes, have been really offset by, the improvements that we see and expect to see in, retail margins without clawing that penny back, without getting that extra penny, and just PS and W getting back to a 2.5 to 3 cent, range. And so, you know, that kind of gets you back to about a $1.2 billion, EBITDA. And then, you know, we we expect to see a more normal price environment. Look, it's going to be a bumpy, you know, trail, you know, to 1.2, 1.3 to 2028 to 2029, to '30. We're really thinking about what does the business look like on a sustainable basis. And certainly, when we build our longer range plans and set expectations and present those to our board as we think about capital allocation and reaffirming our 50/50 objectives, we need to do that in a normalized environment.

Uh, the good news is, um, you know, that goal was to start in 24. Uh, we're going to hit 50 starts in 2550 openings if you include January. Uh, and the good news is those stores are performing, um, at a better rate. Uh, the same store volumes, uh, have been really offset by uh the improvements that we see and expect to see in uh retail margins without clawing that penny back without getting that extra Penny and just PS and W getting back to a 2 and a half to 3 Cent uh range and so you know, that kind of gets you back to about a 1.2 billion dollar uh Evita and then, you know, we we expect to see a more normal price environment. Look, it's going to be a bumpy, you know, Trail, you know, to 1.2 1.3 to 2028 to 2029 uh to 30. We're really thinking about what is the business look like on a sustainable basis.

Andrew Clyde: But we also need to understand there are going to be periods that are better, like 2022 and early '23, and there are going to be periods that are a little bit softer. And that's why the balance sheet stays conservative, as Gallagher talked about, because we want to win in any environment. We want to build in any environment. We don't want to be slowing down growth in a weaker part of the cycle because the point is when those stores are up and running, you're back to a normal environment or better, and the store's ramped up, and then you're getting even more out of it and a better return. And that's the philosophy we've had since the spin, right? We're going to be capital disciplined.

Andrew Clyde: We're going to invest in the best of times and the worst of times, so long as we believe that we have a proven winning model, which we do.

Galagher Jeff: Got it. That's really helpful. And then just wanted to ask another question on the back half. As you think about the, dynamics that you've seen in the first half, is there anything that maybe sticks or changes or goes away, as you think about what the back half might look like? I know that there is, some change in in the tobacco, expectations, but would be curious to know, if there's anything else that you expect from either an operational or financial perspective that would shift, as we kind of turn the corner into the back half here. You know.

You're back to a normal environment, or better, and the store is ramped up, and then you're getting even more out of it in a better return, and that's the philosophy we've had since the spin. Right? We're going to be capital disciplined. We're going to invest in the best of times and the worst of times, so long as we believe that we have a proven winning model, which we do.

Got it. That's really helpful. And then I just wanted to ask another question on the back half. As you think about the dynamics that you've seen in the first half, is there anything that maybe sticks, changes, or goes away?

Andrew Clyde: Not at this point. And I think given some of the areas that were weak in the first half, you know, we'd like to think there's, you know, more upside than downside, you know, in those areas, and then especially relative to some of the comps, from last year. You know, as we noted, despite some pretty remarkable geopolitical events, we didn't see, you know, a height level of volatility. Could that change? I don't know. But if you see the height level of geopolitical activities, it can really show up in crude prices as it didn't in the first half of the year.

Um, as you think about what the back half might look like, I know that there is, um, some change in in the tobacco, um, expectations, but would be curious to know. Um, if there's anything else that you expect from either an operational Financial perspective that would shift, um, as we kind of turn the corner into the back half here.

Andrew Clyde: So, you know, we're going to be a, you know, taker of those inputs, and we're just going to execute our model around them because those are the things that are outside of our control, and we're just focused on the things that we can do within our control. And we continue to have, a lot of arrows in our quiver to continue to improve this business.

You know, not at this point and I think giving some of the areas that we're weak in the first half, you know, we'd like to think there's, you know, more upside than downside, you know, in those areas and then specially relative to some of the comps from last year, you know, as we noted, uh, despite some pretty remarkable geopolitical events. We didn't see, you know, a height level of volatility could that change, I don't know. But if you see the height level of geopolitical activities, it can really show up in Crewe prices as it didn't in the first half of the year. So, um,

Galagher Jeff: Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Um, you know, we're going to be a uh, you know, taker of those inputs and we're just going to execute our model around them because those are the things that are outside of our control and we're just focused on the things that we can do within our control and we continue to have um a lot of arrows in our quiver to continue to improve this business.

Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Jeannie: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Andrew Clyde for closing remarks.

Andrew Clyde: Great. Well, thanks, everyone, for joining in. Appreciate the opportunity to provide an update on our guidance, but also how we think about long-term value creation for shareholders. Thank you very much.

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Andrew Clyde for closing remarks.

Jeannie: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Great. Well, thanks everyone for joining in. I appreciate the opportunity to provide an update on our guidance, but also on how we think about long-term value creation for shareholders. Thank you very much.

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