Q2 2025 Green Brick Partners Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good afternoon and welcome to the Green Brick Partners' second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeff Cox, interim chief financial officer. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Jeff Cox: Good afternoon and welcome to Green Brick Partners' earnings call for the second quarter ended June 30th, 2025. Following today's remarks, we will hold a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback. In addition, a presentation will accompany today's webcast and is also available on the company's website at investors.greenbrickpartners.com. On the call today is Jim Brickman, co-founder and chief executive officer; Jed Dolson, president and chief operating officer; and myself, Jeff Cox, interim chief financial officer. Some of the information discussed on this call is forward-looking, including a discussion of the company's financial and operational expectations for 2025 and beyond. In yesterday's press release and SEC filings, the company detailed material risks that may cause its future results to differ from its expectations.
Good afternoon and welcome to the green brick Partners. Second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeff Cox interim, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you, please go ahead.
Good afternoon and welcome to green brick Partners earnings call for the second quarter ended June 30th 2025.
Following today's remarks, we will hold a question and answer session.
As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback.
In addition, a presentation will accompany today's webcast and is also available on the company's website at investors. Greenbrook partners.com.
On the call today is Jim Brickman, co-founder and chief executive officer Jed, Dolson president and Chief Operating Officer and myself. Jeff Cox interim, Chief Financial Officer
Some of the information discussed on this call is forward-looking, including a discussion of the company's financial and operational expectations for 2025 and beyond.
Jeff Cox: The company's statements are as of today, July 31st, 2025, and the company has no obligation to update any forward-looking statement it may make. The comments also include non-GAAP financial metrics, the reconciliation of these metrics, and the other information required by Regulation G can be found in the earnings release that the company issued yesterday and in the presentation available on the company's website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim.
And yesterday's press release and FCC filings, the company detailed material risks that may cause its future results to differ from its expectations.
The company statements are as of today, July 31, 2025. The company has no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. It may make.
Jim Brickman: Thank you, Jeff. I'm pleased to announce our second quarter results, particularly given the ongoing and persistent affordability challenges faced by many consumers in this housing market. Net income attributable to Green Brick for the second quarter was $82 million or $1.85 per diluted share. As we exited the spring selling season, our performance remained strong despite high interest rates and decreasing consumer confidence. We were focused on balancing price and pace to maximize returns in each of our communities. Our builders and their sales teams were able to adapt quickly to changing market conditions to drive traffic and sales. As a result, we set several company records during the quarter. For one, we achieved a record for closings by delivering 1,042 homes. And two, we achieved a record for net new orders of 908, which was the highest for any second quarter in company history.
The comments also include non-gaap Financial metrics reconciliation of these metrics and the other information required by regulation. G can be found in the earnings release at the company issued yesterday and in the presentation available on the company's website with that, I'll turn the call over to Jim.
Thank you, Jeff. I'm pleased to announce our second quarter results, particularly given the ongoing and persistent affordability. Challenges faced by many consumers in this housing market.
Net income attributable to Greenberg for the second quarter was 82 million or 1.85 cents per diluted share.
As we exited this spring selling season, our performance remains strong, despite high interest rates and decreasing consumer confidence.
Builders and their sales teams were able to adapt quickly to changing market conditions to drive traffic and sales. As a result, we set several company records during the quarter.
For Q2, we achieved a record for closings by delivering 1,042 homes.
Jim Brickman: Year over year, both home closings and net new orders increased approximately 6%, though revenue for the quarter was virtually flat year over year at $547 million. As Jen will discuss in more detail, maintaining that sales volume required price concessions and other incentives as we addressed the affordability challenges raised in this high-interest rate environment. As expected, these dynamics put downward pressure on our home building gross margins, which declined 410 basis points year over year and 80 basis points sequentially to 30.4%. Nonetheless, our gross margins remain the highest in the public home building industry and marked the ninth consecutive quarter in which our gross margins exceeded 30%. Additionally, we returned $60 million of capital to our shareholders in the first half of 2025 through share repurchases and will still have another $40 million of authorization remaining under a buyback program.
And Q2, we achieved a record for net new orders of 908, which was the highest for any second quarter in company history year-over-year. Both home closings and net new orders increased approximately 6%. The revenue for the quarter was virtually flat year-over-year at $547 million.
As generally discussed in more detail, maintaining sales volume required price concessions and other incentives. As we address the affordability challenges raised in this high interest rate environment, as expected, these dynamics put downward pressure on our home building gross margins, which declined 410 basis points year-over-year and 80 basis points sequentially to 30.4%.
Nonetheless, our gross margins remain the highest in the public home building industry and mark the 9th consecutive quarter in which our gross margins exceeded 30%.
Jim Brickman: Since 2022, we have repurchased approximately 7.9 million shares, reducing our outstanding share count by approximately 16%. Looking ahead, our strategic focus remains on maintaining operational excellence while navigating ongoing market volatility. We are laser-focused on maintaining an investment-grade balance sheet with our disciplined approach in land acquisition, while at the same time ensuring that we are well-positioned for future growth. Our continued emphasis on efficient cost controls, innovative home offerings, and targeted expansion in high-volume markets supports our goal of sustaining industry-leading profitability metrics and creating long-term shareholder value. We are particularly encouraged by the positive reception of our Trophy Signature Homes brand, which continues to outperform expectations and resonates strongly with both first-time and move-up buyers.
Additionally, we returned $60 million of capital to our shareholders in the first half of 2025 through share repurchases. We still have another $40 million of authorization remaining under the buyback program.
Since 2022, we have repurchased approximately 7.9 million shares, reducing our outstanding share count by approximately 16%.
looking ahead, our strategic Focus remains on maintaining operational excellence, while navigating ongoing Market volatility
We are laser focused on maintaining an investment grade balance sheet with our disciplined approach in land acquisition. While at the same time, ensuring that we are, well, positioned for future growth.
Our continued emphasis on efficient cost controls.
Innovative home offerings and targeted expansion in high-value markets support our goal of sustaining industry-leading profitability metrics and creating long-term shareholder value.
Jim Brickman: The continued expansion of Trophy and DFW in Austin, along with the upcoming entry into the Houston market later this year, presents significant opportunities as we believe it will allow us to further diversify our revenue base, strengthen our presence in key Texas markets, and provide a runway for sustained growth over the next few years. As we remain vigilant in monitoring macroeconomic trends and adapting to shifts in buyer preferences, we believe that our experienced team and robust land pipeline and desirable infill and infill adjacent locations will drive continued success in the quarters to come. With that, I'll now turn it over to Jeff to provide more detail regarding our financial results.
We are particularly encouraged by the positive reception of our trophy. Signature Homes brand which continues to outperform expectations and resonate strongly with both first-time and move up buyers.
The continued expansion of Trophy and DFW in Austin, along with the upcoming entry into the Houston Market. Later this year, presents significant opportunities. As we believe it will allow us to further diversify our Revenue base. Strengthen our presence in key, Texas markets, and provide a runway for sustained growth over the next few years.
As we remain vigilant in macroeconomic trends and adapt to shifts in buyer preferences, we believe that our experienced team and robust land pipeline, along with desirable infill and infill-adjacent locations, will drive continued success in the quarters to come.
Jeff Cox: Thank you, Jim. As Jim mentioned earlier, we achieved a couple of new records this quarter for home closings and net new orders. Given the challenging economic conditions and increased supply of housing inventory in our markets, discounts and incentives increased year over year as a percentage of residential unit revenue to 7.7% from 4.5%. Our average sales price also declined by 5.3% year over year to $525,000 as our affiliated builders adjusted quickly to meet market demand. Home closings revenue was virtually unchanged compared to the same period last year at $547 million, and home building gross margins decreased 410 basis points year over year and 80 basis points sequentially to 30.4% due to higher discounts and incentives, primarily for mortgage buy-downs.
With that, I'll now turn it over to Jeff to provide more detail regarding our financial results.
Thank you, Jim.
As Jim mentioned earlier, we achieved a couple of new records this quarter for home closings and net new orders.
Given the challenging economic conditions and increased supply of housing inventory, in our markets discounts and incentives, increased year-over-year, as a percentage of residential unit Revenue to 7.7% from 4.5%.
Our average sales price also declined by 5.3% year-over-year to $525,000, as our Affiliated Builders adjusted quickly to meet market demand.
Home closings revenue was virtually unchanged compared to the same period last year, at $547 million.
Jeff Cox: SG&A, as a percentage of residential unit revenue for the second quarter, increased by 40 basis points year over year to 10.9% as we continue to invest in our future growth. As a result of lower average sales prices and gross margins, net income attributable to Green Brick for the second quarter decreased 22% year over year to $82 million, and diluted earnings per share decreased 20% from our record quarterly earnings in the second quarter of 2024 to $1.85 per share. Our effective tax rate also increased to 21.9% from 18.5% due in part to a one-time benefit last year associated with stock options exercised in the second quarter of 2024. Year-to-date deliveries increased 8% year over year to 1,952 homes, and our average sales price declined 2.5% to $534,000.
Home building growth margins decreased 410 basis points year-over-year and 80 basis points sequentially to 30.4% due to higher discounts and incentives, primarily for mortgage buy-downs.
Sgna has a percentage of residential unit revenue for the second quarter increased by 40 basis points year-over-year to 10.9% as we continue to invest in our future growth.
As a result of lower average sales prices and gross margins, net income attributable to Greenberg for the second quarter decreased 22% year-over-year to $82 million, and diluted earnings per share decreased 20% from our record quarterly earnings in the second quarter of 2024, to $0.85 per share.
Of tax rate, also increased to 21.9% from 18.5% due in part to a 1-time benefit last year associated with stock options. Exercised in the second quarter of 2024
Jeff Cox: As a result, we generated home closings revenue of just over $1 billion, which increased 5.3% year to date from the same period in 2024. Home building gross margin decreased 320 basis points to 30.8%. Year-to-date net income attributable to Green Brick decreased 16.8% to $157 million, and diluted earnings per share declined 15% to $3.52. As a reminder, we sold our 49.9% interest in Challenger Homes in the first quarter last year, which had the impact of adding $0.21 to 2024 diluted earnings per share. Net new home orders during the second quarter moderated from our record level of 1,106 in the first quarter of 2025, but were up 6.2% year over year to $908. Year-to-date net new home orders increased 4.6% year over year to $2,014.
Year to date, deliveries increased 8% year-over-year to 1,952 homes, and our average sales price declined 2.5% to $534,000.
As a result, we generated home closings revenue of just over $1 billion, which increased 5.3% year-to-date from the same period in 2024.
Home building growth margin decreased 320 basis points to 30.8%.
Year to date, net income attributable to Green Brick decreased 16.8% to $157 million, and diluted earnings per share declined 15% to $3.62.
As a reminder, we sold our 49.9% interest in Challenger Homes in the first quarter of last year, which had the impact of adding $0.21 to 2024 diluted earnings per share.
Net new homeowners during the second quarter were moderated from our record level of 1,176 in the first quarter of 2025, but we're up 6.2% year-over-year to 9,008.
Jeff Cox: Our average active selling communities remained relatively unchanged year over year at approximately 102, a third of which were trophy communities, and our sales pace for the second quarter increased 4.7% to approximately three homes per month compared to 2.8 homes per month in the previous year. With our continued investment in land and in particular larger master plan communities, our average lot count per owned and controlled community increased 26.3% from the same period last year. We increased our starts by 10% from the previous quarter to $950 to better match our sales pace, but year-over-year starts still declined by 3.4%. Units under construction at the end of the quarter were down marginally by 1.1% to approximately 2,200 units. We will continue to monitor market conditions and adjust our start space to manage our inventory levels accordingly.
Year to date, net new home orders, increased 4.6%, year-over-year to 2014.
Our average active selling communities remain relatively unchanged year-over-year at approximately 102, a third of which were trophy communities. Our sales pace in the second quarter increased 4.7% to approximately 3 homes per month, compared to 2.8 homes per month in the previous year.
With our continued investment in land, and in particular, larger master plan communities, our average lot count per owned and controlled community increased 26.3% from the same period last year.
We increased our starts by 10% from the previous quarter to 950 to better match our sales pace. However, year-over-year starts still declined by 3.4%.
Units under construction. At the end of the quarter were down marginally by 1.1% to approximately 2,200 units.
Jeff Cox: Due to a higher proportion of quick move-in sales coupled with a 13-day improvement in our average construction cycle time, our backlog value at the end of the second quarter decreased 21% year over year to $516 million. Backlog average sales price decreased 3.3% to $707,000, due primarily to higher discounts and incentives. Trophy, our spec home builder, represented only 15% of our overall backlog value, consistent with previous quarters, but they accounted for nearly half of our closing volume. Lastly, we believe our investment-grade balance sheet continues to serve as a solid foundation for future growth, providing us with exceptional financial strength to navigate market headwinds and deploy capital opportunistically.
We will continue to monitor market conditions and adjust our surface space to manage our inventory levels accordingly.
Due to a higher proportion, of quick move in sales, coupled with a 13-day improvements in our average construction, cycle time, our backlog value. At the end of the second quarter, decreased 21% year-over-year to 516 million
Backlog average sales price decreased 3.3% to $707,000, due primarily to higher discounts and incentives.
Trophy, our spec home builder, represented only 15% of our overall backlog value.
Consistent with previous quarters, this accounted for nearly half of our closing volume.
Jeff Cox: At the end of the second quarter, our net debt-to-total capital ratio declined to 9.4%, and our debt-to-total capital ratio was only 14.4%, the lowest level since 2015 and among the best of our small and mid-cap public home building peers. Our long-term notes bear interest at a low average fixed rate of 3.4%. At the end of the quarter, we maintained a robust cash position of $112 million with no outstanding borrowings on our syndicated line of credit. With total liquidity of $477 million, we believe we are well-positioned to weather more challenging market conditions, to opportunistically deploy capital to maximize shareholder returns, and to accelerate growth as the housing market improves. With that, I'll now turn it over to Jed.
Lastly, we believe our investment grade balance sheet continues to serve as a solid foundation for future. Growth, providing us with exceptional, Financial strength to navigate market, headwinds and deploy capital opportunistically.
At the end of the second quarter, our net debt to total capital ratio declined to 9.4%, and our debt to total capital ratio was only 14.4%, the lowest level since 2015 and among the best of our small and mid-cap public home building peers.
Jed Dolson: Thank you, Jeff. We believe a combination of high interest rates, seasonality, and weakened consumer confidence contributed to a more challenging quarter compared to the prior year. Demand was impacted across all of our markets, but especially within our trophy brand as interest rates ticked up over 7% for portions of April and May. However, our builders were quick to adapt to the evolving market conditions and regained traction in sales volumes in the latter part of the quarter. Trophy in particular, which represented 52% of net new orders by volume, saw its orders grow by 9.3% year over year.
Our long-term notes bear interest at a low average fixed rate of 3.4%. At the end of the quarter, we maintain a robust cash position of $112 million with no outstanding borrowings on our syndicated line of credit, with total liquidity of $477 million. We believe we are well positioned to weather more challenging market conditions to opportunistically deploy capital to maximize shareholder returns and to accelerate growth as the housing market improves. With that, I'll now turn it over to Jed.
Thank you, Jeff. We believe a combination of high interest rates, seasonality, and weekend consumer confidence contributed to a more challenging quarter compared to the prior year.
Demand was impacted across all of our markets, but especially within our trophy brand as interest rates ticked up over 7% for portions of April and May. However, our builders were quick to adapt to the evolving market conditions and regain traction and sales volumes in the latter part of the quarter.
Jed Dolson: While our cancellation rate for the second quarter increased sequentially to 9.9% from 9.2% in the previous year, it continued to remain among the lowest in the public's home building industry, and we believe demonstrates the creditworthiness of our buyers, quality of our product, and desirability of the land and lot positions where we built. We continue to address the affordability challenges faced by consumers by providing our home buyers with price concessions and allowances towards interest rate buy-downs and closing costs. Incentives for net new orders during the second quarter were higher by 320 bids year over year and 100 bids sequentially, increasing to 7.7%. These tools proved effective in driving traffic and sales velocity, especially with our quick move-in homes.
The trophy in particular, which represented 52% of net new orders by volume, saw its orders grow by 9.3% year-over-year.
The second quarter increased sequentially to 9.9% from 9.2% in the previous year. It continued to remain among the lowest in the public home building industry, and we believe it demonstrates the creditworthiness of our buyers, the quality of our product, and the desirability of the land and lot positions where we built.
We continue to address the affordability challenges faced by consumers by providing our home buyers with price concessions and allowances towards interest rate buy downs and closing costs.
Incentives for net new orders during the second quarter were higher by 320 basis points year-over-year and 100 basis points sequentially, increasing to 7.7%.
Jed Dolson: With our superior infill and infill adjacent communities and industry-leading gross margins, we believe we are well-positioned to adjust pricing as needed to meet market demand and maintain our sales pace. While we recognize the importance of preserving our margins, we also recognize that our industry-leading margins provide us with significant additional pricing flexibility to compete effectively in a volatile market. Green Brick Mortgage, which launched in the latter half of 2024, continued to roll out its operations within our DFW communities and planned expansion into Austin, Atlanta, and Houston later this year and early next year. Green Brick Mortgage closed and funded over 140 loans during the second quarter, with an average FICO score of 745 and an average debt-to-income ratio of 38%, consistent with the previous quarter.
These tools proved effective in driving traffic and sales velocity, especially with our quick-moving homes in our Superior, infill, and infill-adjacent communities, and industry-leading gross margins. We believe we are well-positioned to adjust pricing as needed to meet market demand and maintain our sales pace.
While we recognize the importance of preserving our margins, we also acknowledge that our industry-leading margins provide us with significant additional pricing flexibility to compete effectively in a volatile market.
Green brick mortgage, which launched in the latter half of 2024 continued to roll out its operations, within our DFW communities and planned expansion into Austin, Atlanta and Houston later this year and early next year.
Jed Dolson: We are excited about the future prospects of our wholly owned mortgage company as it continues to increase its capture rate, provide top-tier service to our home buyers, and gives us increased visibility into our backlog. Operationally, we continue to make meaningful strides in reducing costs and enhancing our operational efficiency. The cost for labor and materials for homes closed this quarter was down approximately 4,000 homes compared to the same period last year. Furthermore, we achieved a major milestone by reducing our average construction cycle times to just under five months. This is an improvement of 13 days from a year ago. In particular, Trophy's average cycle time in DFW was only 3.5 months. Labor availability remains relatively stable across all of our markets. We recognize the concerns surrounding tariffs and continue to work closely with our vendors and suppliers to mitigate any potential impact.
Green Brick Mortgage closed and funded over 140 loans during the second quarter, with an average FICO score of 745 and an average debt-to-income ratio of 38%, consistent with the previous quarter. We are excited about the future prospects of our wholly owned mortgage company as it continues to increase its capture rate and provide top-tier service to our home buyers.
And gives us increased visibility into our backlog.
Operationally, we continue to make meaningful strides in reducing costs and enhancing our operational, efficiency the cost for labor and materials for homes. Close. This quarter was down approximately 4,000 homes compared to the same period last year.
Furthermore, we achieved a major Milestone, by reducing our average construction, cycle times to just under 5 months. This is an improvement of 13 days from a year ago in particular trophies, average cycle time in DFW was only 3. 5,
Labor availability remains relatively stable across all of our markets.
we recognize the concerns surrounding tariffs and continue to work closely with our vendors and suppliers to mitigate
Jed Dolson: We believe tariffs will have a minimal impact on our closings and earnings this year, although we acknowledge that the lack of certainty with respect to final tariff timing, scope, or percentages make it impossible to analyze potential tariffs' impact with precision. As we navigate through various macro challenges, we're carefully recalibrating our capital allocation plan to align both our long-term growth objectives and respond to challenging market conditions. During the quarter, we spent $49 million on land and lot acquisition and another $85 million on land development, bringing our year-to-date spend to $109 million and $139 million, respectively. We continue to project approximately $300 million in land development spending for the full year of 2025, which we believe is laying the foundation for strong growth in subsequent years.
any potential impact.
We Believe terrorists will have a minimal impact on our closings and our earnings this year although we acknowledge that the lack of certainty with respect to final tariff timing scope or percentages make it impossible to analyze potential. Tariffs impact with precision.
As we navigate through various macro challenges, we're carefully recalibrating our Capital allocation plan to align both our long-term growth objectives and respond to challenging market conditions during the quarter. We spent 49 million on land and lot Acquisitions and another 85 million on Land Development. Bringing our year-to-date spend to 109 million, and 139 million respectively.
We continue to project approximately 300 million in Land Development spending for the full year of 2025.
Jed Dolson: Given the strength of our existing land pipeline, we remain patient and selective with future land opportunities without compromising the ability to grow our business in the near and intermediate term. At the end of the second quarter, we grew our total lots owned and controlled by 21% year over year to $40,200, of which over $35,000 were owned on our balance sheet and approximately $5,000 were controlled. Trophy comprises approximately 70% of our total lots owned and controlled, excluding approximately $25,000 lots in long-term master plan communities. Our lot supply is approximately five years. Lastly, we are on schedule to open our first community in Houston. The construction of our first model home will begin in August with our grand opening plan this fall. We are excited about expanding Trophy's footprint into one of the largest home building markets in the US.
which we believe is laying the foundation for strong growth in subsequent years.
Given the strength of our existing land pipeline. We remain patient and selective with future land opportunities without compromising the ability to grow our business in the near and intermediate term.
At the end of the second quarter, we grew our total lots under control by 21% year-over-year to 40,200, of which over 35,000 were owned on our balance sheet and approximately 5,000 were controlled.
Trophy comprises approximately 70% of our total loss owned and controlled excluding, approximately 25,000 lots and long-term master plan. Communities are lot supplies, approximately 5 years.
Jed Dolson: With that, I'll turn it over to Jim for closing remarks.
Jim Brickman: Thank you, Jed. As the housing market continues to evolve, we believe we are well-positioned to navigate these market dynamics more effectively than our peers and strategically position ourselves for future growth. I also want to thank our dedicated employees for their hard work and contributions. Their tireless efforts, expertise, and dedication have been instrumental in driving our company's success, even in the face of challenging market conditions. This concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now open the line for questions.
We're on schedule to open our First Community in Houston. The construction of our first model home will begin in August with our grand opening plan. This fall we are excited about expanding trophies Footprints into 1 of the largest Home Building markets in the US with that, I'll turn it over to Jim for closing remarks.
Thank you, Jed. As the housing market continues to evolve, we believe we are well positioned to navigate these market dynamics more effectively than our peers and strategically position ourselves for future growth. I also want to thank our dedicated employees for their hard work and contributions.
Their tireless efforts, expertise, and dedication have been instrumental in driving our company's success, even in the face of challenging market conditions.
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Alex Regill: Hey, thanks for taking my question. My question first was on the incentive trajectory. Just Q2 incentives up to close to 8%. Curious to see, you know, what the incentive run rate is so far in July and do you expect further increases as we go through the year?
Our first question comes from Rohit, Seth from B Riley Securities. Please go ahead, your line is open.
Jim Brickman: Yeah. Hi, this is Jim. We don't forward look July. We're just trying to explain June right now. But generally, we're seeing things level out, but things are still very spotty by neighborhood. We look at our sales report every morning and try. Jed's more active than this than anyone else in our business. But talk to me one week. We're really excited. We think things are picking up. Incentives are going down. And the next week, it's a total change in a neighborhood.
Hey, thanks for taking my question. Uh, my question first was on the incentive trajectory just to give you incentives up to close to 8%, um, curious to see, you know, what, the incentive run rate is so far in July. And we expect, uh, we expect, uh, further further increases as we go through the year.
Yeah, hi this is Jim um we don't forward look um July, we're just trying to explain June right now um but generally we're seeing things level out but things are still very spotty by neighborhood.
Um, we look at our sales report every morning.
And try, uh, Jed's more active than anyone else in our business. But, um,
Alex Regill: Yeah, understood. All right. And second question on gross margins. Can you give us a sense of how much the gross margin decline was just pure price incentives versus a mix with the more sales of Trophy?
Talk to me 1 week, we're really excited. We think things are picking up. Incentives, are going down and the next week. It's a, it's a total change in a neighborhood.
Jeff Cox: Sure. Yeah. This is Jeff. You know, most of it was just due to mortgage rate buy-downs. That seems to be the most effective tool that we have right now. Of the overall roughly 5% decline in average sales price, I would say that a little under 2% was related to mix. Trophy's closing volume did increase year over year by about 4%. So that is having a small impact there. But most of it's, like I said, is towards the increased incentives for the mortgage rate buy-downs.
I understood. Um, all right, uh, second question on gross margins. Can you give us a sense of how much the gross margin decline was just purely from price incentives versus mix with the more sales of trophy?
Sure. Yeah, this is Jeff. Um, you know, most of it was just due to mortgage rate buy Downs. That seems to be the most effective tool that we have right now. Um, of the overall roughly 5% decline in average sales price. I would say that um,
A little under 2% was related to mixed trophies. Closing volume did increase year-over-year by about 4%. Um, so that is having a small impact there. But most of it's, like I said, is towards the increased incentives for the mortgage rate by Downs.
Alex Regill: All right. Thank you. Sorry about that.
All right, thank you. So I got
Operator: Our next question comes from Alex Regill from Texas Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Our next question comes from Alex regill from Texas Capitol. Please go ahead. Your line is open
Alex Regill: Thanks, gentlemen. Nice quarter. Your starts in the second quarter increased in the first quarters. How do you think about your starts in the second half of the year? And I know you don't project things like that, but you know, given last year's kind of seasonality of pretty meaningful strength in the quantity of communities and whatnot that you're opening, any direction there would be helpful.
Thanks, John, nice quarter. Um, your starts in the second quarter to increase in the first quarter is how do you, um,
How do you think about your starts in the second half of the year? And I know you don't project things like that. Um, but you know, given last year's kind of seasonality of pretty meaningful strengths in the quantity of communities and whatnot through your opening. Any uh
Jed Dolson: Yeah, this is Jed. Thanks, Alex. We're going to match starts to sales. So sales have been fairly consistent throughout the year, and we you know think our starts cadence will mirror that.
Any direction there would be helpful.
Yeah, this is jet. Thanks Alex. We are we're going to match starts to sales. So sales have been fairly consistent um throughout the year and we, you know, I think our starts Cadence will be will mirror that.
Alex Regill: That's helpful. And then another way to maybe ask the gross margin question. So home building gross margins were down 410 basis points year over year. Incentives obviously rose 320 basis points, so that's probably the majority of the gross margin weakness. What was the remaining sort of 90 basis points of margin headwind? It sounds like building materials were lower. So was the remaining margin headwind due to a shift in mix of more Trophy product or something else?
Jeff Cox: Yeah, Alex, this is Jeff again. The balance is primarily due to mix. Trophy's margins are still relatively in line with the rest of our brands in the company, but their mix did increase. And as you know, Trophy targets primarily the first-time, first move-up buyer. And when rates were over 7% last quarter, we really had to continue to incentivize our homes to get some traction and get those sold and closed. Great news is we were very effective in doing so. The number of quick move-in homes that we had this year that both sold and closed in the quarter was around 50% versus in the prior year, it was around 40%. So we're seeing a lot of buyers taking advantage of the mortgage rate buy-downs to close quickly.
That's helpful. And then another uh way to maybe ask the gross margin question. So Home Building gross margins were down. 410 basis points of the year of the year, uh, incentives Rose 320 basis points. So that's probably the majority of the gross margin weakness. What was the remaining sort of 90 basis points of margin headwind? Um, it sounds like building materials, uh, were lower. So it was the remaining margin headwind due to a shift of mix of of more product, more trophy, product or or something else.
Yeah, Alex. This is
Again, um, the balance is primarily due to mix. Um,
But they're mixed it increased and as you know trophy targets primarily the first time first move up buyer and when rates were over 7% last quarter um we really had to to continue to incentivize our homes to get some traction and and uh get those sold and closed. Great news is is we were very effective in doing so the number of Quick move in homes that we had this year that both sold and closed in the quarter was around, 50% versus in the prior year, it was around 40%. So we're seeing a lot of buyers. Uh,
Taking advantage of the mortgage rate, buy Downs to close quickly.
Alex Regill: And then last question. How do you think about your inventory level today?
And then, uh, last question, um, how do you think about your inventory level today?
Jed Dolson: Yeah, this is Jed, Alex. We are seeing the buyer, and this changes, you know, month to month, but currently, we're seeing the buyer really focused on finished homes across all of our brands with the exception of our Florida division. So we want to we want to have plenty of finished homes. The buyer is wanting that to take out the uncertainty of the mortgage rates and not, frankly, you know, for reasons we don't completely understand, not go through the build process. So we are still selling some build jobs, especially at our upper end line, but you know, entry level is predominantly all specs right now.
Yeah, this is Jad out.
We are seeing the buyer, and this changes, you know.
month to month. But currently we're seeing the buyer really focused on finished homes across all of our brands, with the exception of our Florida Division. So we want to we want to have plenty of finished homes. The buyers wanting that to take out the uncertainty of the mortgage rates.
And and not frankly, you know, for reasons, we don't completely understand, not go through the build process. So we are still selling some build jobs especially at our upper end line. But you know, entry level is predominantly all specs right now.
Alex Regill: Helpful. Thank you very much.
Couple, thank you very much.
Jim Brickman: I'd like to add something. Excuse me. I'd like to add one thing to that, Alex. You know, one of the things we are seeing and one of the advantages of having an investment-grade balance sheet and some of our public peers that are very strong financially is that we think that many of the more leveraged, extended private builders or even some of the weaker public builders are not going to be building as many specs going forward. We do see the lending environment really getting much more restrictive there.
We have no. I would like to add something. Excuse me, I'd like to add one thing to that, Alex.
you know, 1 of the things we are seeing and 1 of the advantages of having an investment grade balance sheet in, some of our public peers that are very strong financially is that
We think that, um, many of the more leveraged, uh, extended private builders, or even some of the weaker public builders, are not going to be.
Um, building as many specs going forward, we do see the lending environment really getting much more restrictive there.
Operator: We have another question from Alex Regill from Texas Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
We have another question from.
Alex Regill: Thanks, Jim. That was really helpful. I had another question. I was on a pretty significant building materials distributor call earlier today, and there was sort of maybe a suggestion out there that inventory levels might be a little high across the industry itself. So I was wondering if you could maybe comment on inventory levels amongst maybe some of your competitors or in your unique geographies that you happen to be in.
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Thanks Jim. That was really helpful. Um, I I had another question. I was on a a pretty significant building materials uh distributor call earlier today. And um, there there was sort of maybe a suggestion out there that inventory levels. Um might be a little high across the industry itself. So I was wondering if you could maybe come
On inventory levels, uh, amongst maybe some of your competitors or in your, uh, unique geographies that you happen to be in.
Jed Dolson: Hey, Alex. So this is Jed. I'll take that. So at the entry level, you know, I'd say a typical Trophy community, we have two lot sizes per community. Yeah, we're running, say, you know, 14 to 15 finished specs at any one time in that community, which has two lot sizes. And that's averaging typically what our monthly sales are in that community. So I think the way we're looking at it is we want to have, you know, one to two months of finished inventory for the buyer to move in. And something that's interesting that we're seeing as we're spending a lot of time out in the field looking at our competitors and also our own neighborhoods is we're seeing very little resale activity within the communities. And you know, I think people are, the existing residents are happy with their mortgage rates.
Hey Alex, this is Jed. I'll take that.
So at the entry level, you know, I'd say a typical trophy Community, we have 2 lot sizes, per community.
yeah, we're running say
You know.
14 to 15 finished specs at any one time.
In that community, which has 2 lot sizes, and that...
That averaging typically reflects what our monthly sales are in that community. Well, so
I think the way we're looking at it is we want to have, you know, 1 to 2 months of finished inventory.
For the buyer to move in. And something that's interesting that we're seeing is we're spending a lot of time out in the field, looking at our competitors.
and also our own neighborhoods, we're seeing very little resale activity within the communities and
Jed Dolson: And so, you know, we're, we are, you know, really able to buy down the rates into the 4.99 range. And that's, you know, we continue to do that and we continue to have success doing that and fighting very little resale activity.
yeah, I think people are the existing residents are happy with their mortgage rates and so, you know, we're we are
Jim Brickman: One of the other differentiators that we see is that when you go in our neighborhoods is we've never really sold to investors. And our cancellation rate is, you know, single-digit. Yeah, we think our backlog, even, you know, when we do sign up a buyer, we think it's a higher quality. And what was our cancellation rate? 9%, Jeff?
You know, really able to buy down the rates into the 4.99 range and that's, you know, we continue to do that and we continue to have success doing that and fighting very little retail Activity, 1 of the other differentiators that we see is that when you go into our neighborhoods, as we've never really sold to investors.
and um,
our cancellation rate is, you know, single digit.
yeah we think our backlog even you know when we do sign up a buyer we think it's a a higher quality and
Jeff Cox: Just under 10%.
Jim Brickman: So I think we can even be more aggressive in writing deals.
What was our cancellation rate 9%? Jeff? Yeah, just under 10%.
Jeff Cox: Yeah, and this is Jeff. And the credit quality, to Jim's point, of our buyers has continued to be very strong. Average FICO scores on closings last quarter was 745, and the debt-to-income ratio was 38%. So we haven't seen a lot of movement there. And our mortgage company is doing a great job of pre-qualifying buyers so that we know that they can close quickly.
So I think we can even be more aggressive in writing deals.
7:45 and or the debt-to-income ratio was 38%. So we haven't seen a lot of movement there, and our mortgage companies are doing a great job of pre-qualifying buyers so that we know they can close quickly.
Alex Regill: It's very helpful. Thank you.
Very helpful. Thank you.
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