Q2 2025 Paysign Inc Earnings Call

Kevin: Good afternoon. My name is Kevin, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Paysign Inc. second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. After the speaker's remarks, there'll be a question and answer session. You may be placed into question queue by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. The comments on today's call regarding Paysign's financial results will be on a gap basis unless otherwise noted. Paysign's earnings release was disseminated to the SEC earlier today and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, paysign.com, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to GAAP reported amounts. Additionally, as set forth in more detail in our earnings release, I'd like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward-looking statements regarding Paysign's future performance.

Good afternoon. My name is Kevin and I'll be your conference operator. Today at this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the pay signing second quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

After the speakers are marks, there'll be a question and answer session. You can be placed into question Q by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.

The comments on today's call regarding pay science, Financial results will be on a gap basis. Unless otherwise noted

Kevin: Actual performance could differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Information about the factors that could affect future performance is summarized at the end of Paysign's earning release and in our recent SEC filings. Lastly, a replay of this call will be available until November 5th, 2025. Please see Paysign's second quarter 2025 earnings call announcement for details on how to access the replay. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Mark Newcomer, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Mark Newcomer: Thank you, Kevin, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us as we review our second quarter 2025 results. I'm Mark Newcomer, President and CEO of Paysign. Joining me today is our CFO, Jeff Baker, along with Matt Turner, President of Patient Affordability, and Matt Lanford, our Chief Payments Officer, who will be available for Q&A. This was another standout quarter for Paysign. Earlier today, we reported record revenue of 19.1 million, up 33% compared to the second quarter last year, and a meaningful improvement in gross margins, raising 870 basis points to 61.6%. Even with one-time expenses of about 300,000 related to the onboarding of 123 transitioning plasma centers late in the quarter, we doubled adjusted EBITDA to 4.5 million, up 102% from second quarter 2024, and nearly doubled net income to 1.4 million, up 99% from second quarter 2024.

Additionally, I sent forth in more detail in our earnings release. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward-looking statements regarding pay signs future performance, actual performance. Could differ materially from these forward-looking statements information about the factors that could affect future performance is summarize at the end of case signs earning release and in our recent SEC filings. Lastly, a replay of this call will be available until November 5th. 2025, please see Pace on second quarter of 2025 earnings call. Announcement for details on how to access the replay. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Mark newcomer president and CEO please go ahead.

Thank you, Kevin and good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us as we review our second quarter 2025 results.

Newcomer president and CEO of pay sign.

Joining me today is our CFO, Jeff Baker, along with Matt Turner, President of Patient Affordability, and Matt Lanford, our Chief Payments Officer, who will be available for Q&A.

This was another standout quarter for pay sign earlier. Today, we reported record revenue of 19.1 million up 33% compared to the second quarter last year and a meaningful Improvement in Gross margins, raising 870 basis points to 61.6%

Mark Newcomer: Our patient affordability business is driving much of this momentum. Revenue grew 190% year over year to 7.75 million, and revenue per program rose over 83%, reflecting the strong confidence our pharmaceutical partners place in our solutions, as claims process grew by more than 80%. We launched seven programs this quarter, 21 in the first half of the year, already surpassing last year's pace of 18 programs launched, exiting the quarter with 97 active programs, while expecting another 30 to 40 programs prior to year-end. Our pipeline remains robust, with demand accelerating from both new and existing clients, where over half are transition programs, which ramp very quickly. The fact that existing clients are expanding their programs with us is one of the strongest validations of our ability to scale, deliver results, and solve real industry challenges.

Even with 1-time expenses of about 300,000 related, to the onboarding of 123 transitioning plasma centers late in the quarter, we doubled the adjusted ibida to 4.5 million up. 102% from second quarter 2024, and nearly doubled, net income to 1.4 million up 99% from second quarter 2024.

Our patient affordability business is driving much of this momentum.

Revenue. Grew 190% year-over-year to 7.75 million and revenue per program. Rose over 83% reflecting the strong confidence. Our pharmaceutical Partners place in our Solutions as claims process grew. By more than 80%.

We launched 7 programs, this quarter 21 in the first half of the Year already surpassing last year's pace of 18 programs launched exiting the quarter with 97 active programs, while expecting another 30 to 40 programs prior to year end.

our pipeline remains robust with demand, accelerating from both new and existing clients where over half our transition programs which ramp very quickly,

Mark Newcomer: In order to meet this growing demand, we are planning to open a new state-of-the-art patient services contact center during the third quarter. This facility will increase our support capacity fourfold, ensuring our ability to effectively scale operations and ensure the highest level of service for both pharmaceutical companies and patients. One of our biggest differentiators responsible for this surge in demand is our proprietary dynamic business rules technology. DBR operates in real time during the point-of-sale adjudication process, helping manufacturers and patients overcome tactics used by copay maximizers, ensuring a system reaches patients as intended. It's innovation where few people see it, inside the transaction itself, and it's making a meaningful difference by generating significant savings for pharmaceutical manufacturers.

The fact that existing clients are expanding their programs with us is 1 of the strongest, validations of our ability to scale deliver results and solve real industry challenges.

In order to meet this growing demand, we are planning to open a new state-of-the-art Patient Services Contact Center during the third quarter.

This facility will increase our support capacity 4-fold ensuring our ability to effectively scale operations and ensure the highest level of service for both pharmaceutical companies and patients.

1 of our biggest differentiators responsible for this surge in demand is our proprietary Dynamic, business rules technology,

Mark Newcomer: Overall, we're not just moving payments; we're reshaping how financial support is delivered within healthcare, removing financial barriers to treatment, and providing measurable savings to patients in need and pharmaceutical manufacturers. We remain extremely pleased with the performance of our patient affordability business and expect its continued growth trajectory well into the 2026 and beyond. In our plasma compensation business, revenue was 10.7 million, down 4.7% year over year, but up 14.2% sequentially. We ended the second quarter with 607 centers, having onboarded 123 of the 132 centers awarded to us in mid-June, bringing our market share to approximately 50%. We expect to onboard an additional 10 to 13 centers in the second half of the year. We were recently informed that a plasma customer will be closing 22 underperforming donation centers as of August 15th.

Dbr operates in real time during the point of sale, adjudication process, helping manufacturers and patients overcome tactics used by co-pay. Maximizers ensuring assistant reaches patients as intended, its Innovation where few people see it inside the transaction itself and it's making a meaningful Difference by generating significant savings. For pharmaceutical manufacturers,

Overall, we're not just moving payments. We're reshaping. How financial support is delivered within Healthcare. Removing Financial barriers to treatment and providing measurable savings to patients in need and pharmaceutical manufacturers. We remain extremely pleased with the performance of our patient, affordability business and expect its continued growth trajectory well into the 2026 and Beyond.

In our plasma compensation business Revenue was 10.7 Million down 4.7% year-over-year, but up 14.2% sequentially.

We ended the second quarter with 607 centers, having onboarded 123 of the 1332 centers. Awarded to us in mid June bringing our market share to approximately 50%

We expect the onboard, an additional 10 to 13 centers in the second half of the year.

Mark Newcomer: We believe that a majority of those donors will continue to donate at nearby centers. Additionally, an existing client has also informed us of their intention to open six to eight new centers in the next 10 months, as well as an additional six to eight centers in the following year. As we previously noted, the plasma business continues to face headwinds driven by an oversupply of source plasma and increased collection efficiencies at the center level. While these pressures will likely persist through 2025, we anticipate a return to organic center-level growth to start during 2026 as the plasma collection cycle improves. In the meantime, we're confident that the addition of 132 newly awarded centers, 123 that went live late June and nine that went live late July, will return the business to year-over-year revenue growth.

We were recently informed that a plasma customer will be closing, 22. Underperforming donation centers as of August 15th.

We believe that a majority of those donors will continue to donate at nearby centers.

Additionally, an existing client has also informed us of their intention to open 6, to 8, new centers in the next 10 months, as well as an additional 6, to 8 centers in the following year.

As we previously noted, the plasma business continues to face headwinds driven by an oversupply of source plasma and increased collection efficiencies at the center level.

While these pressures will likely persist through 2025, we anticipate a return to organic Center level growth to start during 2026 as the plasma collection cycle improves.

Mark Newcomer: This positions us exceptionally well to capture additional upside when the industry enters its next growth cycle. A major part of our strategy is to expand our value proposition in plasma with new software solutions. In May, at the International Plasma Protein Congress held in Warsaw, Poland, we introduced a software-as-a-service engagement platform, including a donor app, a plasma-specific CRM, and a donor management system. The response has been overwhelmingly positive, both domestically and internationally, as we are in discussions with plasma collectors and device manufacturers. This is an exciting step in evolving from a trusted payments partner to a broader technology provider for the industry. We look forward to keeping you apprised of our progress in the coming quarters. To close, Q2 was another quarter of strong execution and innovation.

In the meantime, we're confident that addition of 132 newly, awarded centers 123 that went live, late, June and 9 that went live. Late July will return the business to year-over-year revenue growth. This positions us exceptionally well to capture additional upside when the industry enters its next growth cycle.

The major part of our strategy is to expand our value proposition in plasma, with new software Solutions.

Service engagement platform, including a donor app, a plasma specific CRM and a donor management system. The response has been overwhelmingly positive, both domestically and internationally as we are in discussions with plasma collectors and device manufacturers.

This is an exciting step in evolving from a trusted payments partner to a broader technology provider for the industry.

We look forward to keeping you apprised of our progress in the coming quarters.

Mark Newcomer: We're scaling efficiently to meet the growing demand, expand our presence in both patient affordability and plasma with solutions that are built for impact. I'm incredibly proud of our team's focus and determination, and I'm excited about the opportunities ahead. We remain confident in our trajectory and committed to delivering long-term value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeff for a closer look at the financials. Jeff?

To close Q2 was another quarter of strong execution and Innovation. We're scaling to meet the growing demand. Expand our presence in both patient affordability and plasma with solutions that are built for impact.

I'm incredibly proud of our team's focus and determination and I'm excited about the opportunities ahead.

Jeff Baker: Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone. As Mark said, we had an exciting second quarter with a lot of positive activity across both major areas of our business. We had some really nice wins in our patient affordability business that will enable us to continue the momentum we have experienced in the first half of the year, into the second half of the year, and into 2026. We had the addition of 132 plasma centers, 123 of which went live late in the quarter. This should provide additional momentum through the end of this year and into 2026 as the oversupply of inventory levels normalize. We cannot be more excited about the prospects of our business for the remainder of this year and throughout 2026.

We remain confident in our trajectory and committed to delivering long-term value for our shareholders with that. I'll turn it over to Jeff for a closer look at the financials. Jeff. Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon. Everyone as Mark said we had an exciting second quarter with a lot of positive activity across both major areas of our business.

We had some really nice wins and our patient affordability business that will enable us to continue the momentum. We have experienced in the first half of the year into the second half of the year and into 2026.

we had the addition of 132 plasma centers 123 of which went live late in the quarter that should provide additional momentum through the end of this year and into 2026 as over supply of inventory levels normalize

Jeff Baker: I encourage everyone to read our 10-Q for more details about our financial results, which is expected to be filed tomorrow morning before the market opens. Now turning your attention to the results for the second quarter. Results were in line with the guidance we provided last quarter, despite unexpected, pleasant, upfront costs we absorbed to launch the 123 new plasma centers late in the quarter. These costs far outweigh the slight revenue benefit we received during the quarter, but we expect that to swing the other way in the second half of the year. Second quarter 2025 total revenues of $19.1 million increased $4.7 million, or 33.1%. Plasma revenue declined 4.7% to $10.7 million, and our revenue per plasma center declined to $7,098. We added 123 net plasma centers, exiting the quarter with 607 centers.

We cannot be more excited about the prospects of our business for the remainder of this year and throughout 2026, I encourage everyone to read our 10 Q for more details about our financial results which is expected to be filed tomorrow morning before the Market opens.

Now, turning your attention to the results for the second quarter results were in line with the guidance we provided last quarter despite unexpected Pleasant upfront costs, we absorbed to launch. The 123 new plasma centers, late in the quarter.

these costs far outweigh the slight Revenue benefit we received during the quarter, but we expect that to swing the other way and the second half of the year,

Second quarter 2025 total revenues of 19.1 million increased, 4.7 million or 33.1%.

Plasma Revenue declined, 4.7% to 10.7 million and our Revenue per plasma center declined to 7,098.

Jeff Baker: Gross dollars loaded to cards decreased 3.7%, total number of loads decreased 4.6%, and gross spend volume decreased 6.3%. Moving to our pharma patient affordability business. Second quarter pharma revenues of $7.8 million was up 190% and accounted for 40.6% of quarterly revenues. This is a significant increase from the 18.7% of revenue that pharma represented during the same period last year. We added seven net programs exiting the quarter with 97 pharma patient affordability programs and grew the number of claims processed by over 80% versus the same period last year. Gross profit margin for the quarter was 61.6% versus 52.9% during the same period last year. Our gross profit margin was negatively impacted by the upfront costs that were just mentioned. SG&A for the quarter, excluding depreciation and amortization and stock-based compensation, increased 35.4% to $7.2 million, with total operating expenses increasing 38.3% to $10.3 million.

We added 123 net plasma centers exiting the quarter with 607 centers.

Gross dollars, loaded to cards. Decreased 3.7% total. Number of loads, decreased 4.6%, and gross spin volume decreased 6.3%.

Moving to our Pharma patient affordability, business.

Second quarter farmer revenues of 7.8 million was up 190% and accounted for 40.6% of quarterly revenues, this is a significant increase from the 18.7% of Revenue, the farmer represented during the same period. Last year, we added 7, net programs, exiting the quarter with 97 Pharma patient, affordability, programs and grew the number of claims processed by over 80% versus the same period last year.

Gross profit margin for the quarter was 61.6% versus 52.9% during the same period last year.

Our gross profit margin was negatively impacted by The Upfront costs that were just mentioned.

Jeff Baker: Having made significant investments in our employee base over the past year to support the continued growth in our businesses, compensation and benefits increased just under $1 million. We exited this quarter with 191 employees versus 149 employees during the same period last year. Stock compensation increased $284,000 while we started seeing the operational benefits from our gamma transactions as our capitalized software costs declined by $369,000. Depreciation and amortization expense increased $680,000 due to the continued enhancements in our technology platform. Net income for the quarter was $1.4 million, or 2 cents per fully diluted share, versus $697,000, or 1 cent per fully diluted share for the same period last year.

SG&A for the quarter, excluding depreciation and amortization and stock-based compensation, increased 35.4% to $7.2 million, with total operating expenses increasing 38.3% to $10.3 million.

Having made significant investments in our employee base, over the past year to support the continued growth in our businesses compensation and benefits increase just under $1 million.

We exited this quarter with 191 employees versus 149 employees during the same period last year.

Stock compensation increased 284,000. While we started seeing the operational benefits from our gamma transactions as our capitalized software costs, decline by 30069 thousand dollars.

Depreciation and Emerson expense increased 680,000 due to the continued enhancements in our technology platform.

Jeff Baker: Negatively impacting the per share amounts was lower interest income related to the implied interest expense on future cash payments for the gamma acquisition, lower interest rates and average bank balances, primarily from our plasma customers at our sponsor bank, higher income tax provision of $655,000, or 32.1%, reflecting the impact of discrete items related to the appreciation of our stock price during the quarter and higher diluted shares outstanding related to in-the-money options. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP measure that adds back stock compensation to EBITDA, was $4.5 million, or 8 cents per diluted share, versus $2.2 million, or 4 cents per diluted share for the same period last year. The fully diluted share count for the quarter used in calculating per share amounts was 57.9 million and 55.9 million, respectfully.

For the same period last year.

Negatively impacting the per share amounts was lower interest, income related to the implied interest expense on future cash payments for the gamma acquisition.

Lower interest rates and average Bank balances, primarily from our plasma customers, at our sponsor Bank.

Higher income tax provision of 655,000 or 32.1% reflecting the impact of discrete items related to the appreciation of our stock price, during the quarter and higher diluted shares outstanding related to in the money options.

In the second quarter, adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP measure that adds back stock compensation to EBITDA, was $4.5 million, or $0.08 per diluted share, versus $2.2 million, or $0.04 per diluted share, for the same period last year.

Jeff Baker: Regarding the health of our company, we exited the quarter with $11.8 million in unrestricted cash and zero debt. The operational benefits of our gamma acquisition are beginning to show up in our unrestricted cash balances, which increased by just under $1 million from the end of the year and 4.9 million from the first quarter. We now expect our annual cash cost savings from this acquisition to be at the high end of the $4 to $5 million guidance we gave at the end of last quarter. And as Mark mentioned, we couldn't be more excited about the early sales momentum we are building from existing and non-existing plasma companies. Now turning your attention to our revised guidance for 2025, which now incorporates Q2 actual results.

The fully diluted share count for the quarter used in calculating per share amounts was 57.9 million and 555.9 million respectively.

Regarding the health of our company.

We exited the quarter with 11.8 million in unrestricted, cash and zero debt.

The operational benefits of our gamma acquisition are beginning to show up in our unrestricted cash balances, which increased by just under $1 million from the end of the year and $4.9 million from the first quarter. We now expect our annual cash cost savings from this acquisition to be at the high end of the $4 to $5 million range.

$5 million guidance we provided at the end of last quarter.

And as Mark mentioned, we couldn't be more excited about the early sales momentum. We are building from existing and non-existing plasma companies.

Jeff Baker: We are raising our revenue guidance to be in the range of $76.5 million to $78.5 million, reflecting year-over-year growth of 32.7% at the midpoint. Plasma is expected to make up approximately 56% of total revenue, representing flat year-over-year growth, while pharma patient affordability revenue is expected to make up approximately 40.5% of total revenue, representing year-over-year growth of over 145%. Despite the seasonality we typically see in our patient affordability business and industry trends in our plasma business, we now forecast revenue to grow in the second half of the year compared to the first half of the year. Full-year gross profit margins are expected to be between 61% and 62% as we bring up a new state-of-the-art patient services contact center during the third quarter to support the growth in our business.

Now turning your attention to our revised guidance for 2025, which now incorporates Q2 actual results, we are raising our Revenue guidance to be in the range of 76.5 million, to 78.5 million reflecting year-over-year growth of 32.7% at the midpoint.

Plasma expected to make up approximately 56% of total revenue representing flat year-over-year growth while Pharma patient. Affordability revenue is expected to make up approximately 40.5% of total revenue representing year-over-year growth of over 145%.

Despite the seasonality we typically see in our patient affordability, business, and industry trends in our plasma business, we now forecast revenue to grow in the second half of the year compared to the first half of the year.

Foyer gross profit. Margins are expected to be between 61% and 62% as we bring up a new state-of-the-art patient.

Jeff Baker: We continue to expect operating expenses to be between $41 million and $43 million, with depreciation and amortization expense of approximately $8.4 million and stock-based compensation of approximately $4.4 million. Interest income is estimated to be approximately $2.5 million, reflecting the implied interest expense for future gamma payments and lower bank balances from our plasma customers. Taking all the factors above into consideration, we continue to expect net income to be between $6 million and $7 million for the year, or 10 cents to 12 cents per diluted share, but that may fluctuate depending on our effective tax rate. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $18 million to $20 million, or 31 cents to 35 cents per diluted share. The diluted share count for the year is estimated to be 57.5 million shares.

Services contact center during the third quarter to support the growth in our business.

we continue to expect operating expenses to be between 41 million and 43 million with the depreciation amortization expense of approximately 8.4 million in stock-based, compensation of approximately 4.4 million,

Interest income is estimated to be approximately 2.5 million reflecting the implied interest expense for future gamma payments, and lower bait balances from our plasma customers. Taking all the factors above and acceleration. We continue to expect net income to be between 6 million and 7 million for the year or 10 cents to 12 cents per diluted share. But that may fluctuate depending on our effective tax rate.

Adjusted ibida is expected to be in the range of 18 million to 20 million or 31 cents to 35 cents per diluted share.

Jeff Baker: For the third quarter of 2025, we expect total revenue to be in the range of $19.5 million to $20.5 million, reflecting continued strength for our patient affordability business and the contribution of the nine additional plasma centers added July 21st, offset by the reduction of 22 underperforming plasma centers on August 15th. We expect to exit the third quarter with approximately 595 plasma centers. We expect plasma revenues to be approximately 60% of revenue and patient affordability to be approximately 37% of revenue. Gross profit margins are expected to be approximately 59% due to the higher mix of plasma revenue and the launch of the new patient services contact center. Operating expenses are expected to be between $10.5 million and $11.5 million, of which depreciation and amortization will be approximately $2.2 million, and stock-based compensation will be approximately $1.4 million.

the diluted Share account for the years, estimated, to be 57.5 million shares,

For the third quarter of 2025, we expect total revenue to be in the range of 19.5 million to 20.5 million, reflecting continued, strength for our patient affordability business and the contribution of the 9 additional plasma centers. Added July 21st, offset by the reduction of 22. Underperforming plasma centers on August 15th.

We expect to exit the third quarter with approximately 595 plasma centers.

We expect plasma revenues to be approximately 60% of revenue, and patient affordability to be approximately 37% of revenue.

Gross profit. Margins are expected to be approximately 59%, due to the higher mix of plasma revenue, and the launch of the new patient services contact center.

Jeff Baker: Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $4.5 million to $5.0 million, or approximately 23.1% to 24.4% of revenue. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Kevin for questions and answers.

Operating expenses are expected to be between 10.5 million and 11.5 million of which depreciation and amortization will be approximately 2.2 million and stock-based compensation will be approximately 1.4 million.

24.4% of Revenue.

With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Kevin for questions and answers.

Matt Turner: Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed into question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to move your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing star one. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question today is coming from Jacob Stefan from Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is now live.

Thank you would not be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like, to be placed into question queue, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad,

A confirmation tone. Will indicate your line is in the question queue?

You may press star 2 if you'd like to move your question from the queue.

For participants using speaker equipment, may be necessary to pick up a handset before pressing star 1 1 moment, please while we pull for questions.

Our first question today is coming from Jacob. Stephan from Lake Street Capital Market? Your line is now live.

Jacob Stephan: Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter and a solid outlook here. Maybe first for me, can you just touch on the 30 to 40 programs that you expect to onboard in pharma? Maybe help us understand better, you know, are these more existing customers or new customers? You know, maybe help us kind of think through the dynamics there.

Hey guys, congrats on the quarter and, uh, solid outlook here. Uh, maybe first for me, can you just touch on the 30 to 40, uh, programs, uh, that you expect to on board in Pharma, uh, maybe help us understand better, you know, are these more existing customers or new customers? Uh, you know, maybe help us kind of think through the, the Dynamics there.

Matt Turner: Hi, this is Matt Turner. Happy to take that question, and thanks for asking. It represents a mix of new clients that we will be onboarding, as well as additional programs from existing clients. It's a pretty good mix between the two. I would say about 50/50.

Uh, hi. This is Matt Turner uh, happy to to take that question and thanks for for asking. Uh, it represents a mix of uh new clients that we will be on boarding as well as uh, additional programs from existing clients. Uh, it's a, it's a pretty good mix between the 2. I'd say about 50/50.

Jacob Stephan: Okay. And I guess to Mark's point, are most of these transition programs, or are some of them just new drug approvals from existing customers, or what's the outlook there?

Matt Turner: Yeah, so I'm actually trying to pull up the numbers here specifically so I can give you a good answer to that. It's close to 50/50, as well as transitions versus launches. And probably, I would say it's going to lean to heavier on the transition side versus the launch.

Okay. And um, I guess to, uh, to Mark's Point, uh, are most of these transition programs or um, are some of them just new new drug, uh, approvals from existing customers, or uh, what's the uh what's the Outlook there?

Yeah. So I'm I'm actually trying to pull up the the numbers here, specifically, so I can give you a good answer to that. Um, it's uh

Close to 5050 as well as transitions versus uh launches. And probably I would say it's going to lean to heavier on the transition side versus the launch.

Jacob Stephan: Okay, great. Maybe a second one for me, just more of a clarification question. So on the plasma side, you expect to add kind of 10 to 14 programs throughout or centers throughout the remainder of the year. Does that include the nine that were onboarded after June 30th, or is that in addition to the full 132?

Matt Turner: That does include the nine that we spoke about in the 132.

Okay great um maybe second 1 for me, just more of a clarification question. So on the plasma side uh you expect to add kind of 10 to 14 programs throughout or centers throughout the remainder of the year. Um does that include the 9 that were onboarded after June 30th or um, is that in addition to the the full 132

Jacob Stephan: Okay, thanks. And then maybe if you could just kind of provide us an update on the donor management system timeline, you know, FDA approval, anything to kind of timeline to look out for there.

That does include the 9 UM, that that we spoke about in 132.

Matt Turner: We're targeting currently towards the end of this year.

Okay. Thanks. Um, and then maybe if you could just kind of provide us a an update on the the donor management system timeline, uh you know, FDA approval, uh anything to kind of timeline to look out for their

We're targeting currently um towards uh, the end of this year.

Jacob Stephan: Okay.

Matt Turner: We're expecting that we will be granted approval around that timeframe.

We're expecting that we will uh we're expecting that we will be granted um approval around that time frame.

Jacob Stephan: Okay, got it. Maybe one more quick one. The gross margin impact here from the new center opening, I guess, how much of the gross margin kind of impact will be from the new center versus kind of some of these additional costs that you saw in Q2?

maybe 1 more quick 1, uh, the girls margin, uh,

Matt Turner: Jacob, I haven't run the numbers like down to the percentage on the dollar amounts. I mean, it's about an additional 60K a month in cost. Just for the, that's just for the facility, but you know, we're going to have more bodies, obviously, that we're adding in. You know, our call center costs are going up because we're having to add more bodies. It's a very good problem to have. And you know, should, should it's, I know for a fact that's helped us win more business. You know, we've got customers in that, in the patient affordability business who definitely look to us for that strength. We're not outsourcing this to a third-world country or any AI bots or anything like that, which is very important for the pharmaceutical world and the plasma world. They definitely want top, you know, top-notch service.

Act here from the new center opening. Um, I guess how much of the, how much of the gross margin kind of, uh, impact will be from the new center versus kind of some of these additional costs that you saw in the in Q2.

Uh, Jacob, I haven't run the numbers down to the percentage. I know the dollar amounts. I mean, it's about an additional $60,000 a month in cost.

Just for the that's just for the facility. But, you know, we're going to have more bodies, obviously, that we're adding in, um, you know, our, our call center costs are going up because we're having to add more bodies to very good problem to have. Um, and, uh, you know, should should. It's, I know for a fact that's helped us win more business. Um,

You know, we've got customers in that uh in the patient affordability business, who are um definitely look to us for that strength. Uh, we're not Outsourcing this to third world country or uh, any AI Bots or anything like that. Which is very important for, uh, the pharmaceutical world and the plasma World, they, they definitely want, uh, top, you know, top-notch service.

Jacob Stephan: Yeah, okay. I appreciate all the color. Good luck going forward here, guys.

Matt Turner: Thank you.

Yeah. Okay, I appreciate all the color. Um Good Luck going forward here guys.

Thank you.

Jacob Stephan: Thank you. Next question today is coming from Gary Proserpino from Barrington Research. Your line is now live.

Gary Prestopino: Hi, good afternoon, everyone. A couple of questions on the plasma side. First of all, the new centers that you're rolling out, how does their average revenue compare to your business that you have in hand right now? Well, we.

Thank you. Next question, today is coming from Gary. Pipino from bearing to research. Your line is now live.

Hi. Good afternoon everyone. Um,

Plasma side. Uh, first of all, the new centers that you're you're rolling out, how is their average revenue compared to, uh, your business uh, that you have, uh, uh, in hand right now.

Matt Turner: Gary, we expect them to be pretty much in line. You know, it's an existing customer, so we already have their trends that are in our numbers. We don't see a huge discrepancy across the centers. Sometimes geographic locations will vary that, but these centers, it's in the average, and we expect that to, you know, be reflected in the numbers going forward.

Gary Prestopino: Okay. And then you also mentioned that you expect the closing of these underperforming centers, that you will continue to keep these donors with you. What are you doing specifically to do that? And I, you know, were these centers that are closing, or were they just in kind of densely populated areas and it was kind of duplicative, and that's why they were underperforming? I just want an idea of how you're going to keep these people within your universe.

Well, we Gary, we expect them to be pretty much in line. Uh, you know, it's a existing customer. So we already have, uh, their trends that are in our, in our numbers. Um, we don't see a, a huge discrepancy across, uh, the centers. Uh, sometimes Geographic locations will will vary that, but, uh, these, these centers, it's in the average and, uh, we expect that to, you know, be reflected in the numbers going forward.

Okay. And then, um, you also mentioned that you expect

The closing of these underperforming centers that um, you will continue to keep these donors, uh, with you. What are you doing specifically to do that? And I, you know, were these these centers that are closing, are they were they just

In kind of densely populated areas, and it was kind of duplicative, and that's why they were underperforming. I just want an idea of how you're going to keep these people, um, within your universe.

Matt Turner: Yeah. They were underperforming centers. They did it for many reasons, efficiencies and the like. You know, not our decision, obviously. You know, for the donors, the way we're going to retain the donors is the donors that are losing those centers are going to go to centers that are close by with the same client and with other people that we provide services to. And that's why we expect to retain those donors.

Yeah. Um, they were underperforming centers. They did it for many reasons efficiencies. And, and the like, um, you know, not our decision obviously, um, you know, for the donors, the way we're going to retain the donors is the donors that are losing. Those centers are going to go to centers that are close by

Jacob Stephan: And Gary, remember, this happened, this also happened back in, I think it was 2023.

Um with the same client and with other people that we provide services to. Um and that's why we expect to retain those donors.

Matt Turner: Yeah, it was.

Jacob Stephan: Last time we had one of our customers shutter a number of centers. I think back then it was 15, 16.

Matt Turner: I mean, I believe.

Jacob Stephan: I mean, I have to go back and look. And you know, the average revenue per center actually went up. I mean, you know, kind of those centers kind of pulled down the average. But you know, we retained a high number of those donors again because there's other centers in the vicinity and they just, they'll just move to a different center.

Matt Turner: Okay. Thank you.

And Gary remember, will this happen? This also happened back in, I think it was 2023. You know, last time we had, uh, 1 of our customers shutter, a number of centers, I think back then it was 1516. I believe, you know, I have to go back and look and um, you know, the the the average revenue for Center actually went up. I mean, you know, kind of those centers kind of pulled down the average. Um, but you know we we retained a high number of those donors again, because there's other centers in the vicinity and they just they'll just move to a different Center.

Jacob Stephan: Yeah. Okay. Next question today is coming from Pete Heckman from DA Davidson. Your line is now live.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Peter Heckmann: Good afternoon, everyone. Could you remind me or remind us in terms of how we think about breaking down revenue within pharma? How should we think about design and program design fees versus monthly maintenance versus claims or transaction fees? How do those play in? And I would assume it's different for different types of programs, but you know, when we hear that claims volume is up 80% year over year, but revenue is up more than double that, how should we think about reconciling the two numbers?

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Pete. Hcman from D, David said, your line is now live.

Good afternoon, everyone. Could you remind me, uh, or remind us in terms of how we think about breaking down Revenue, within Pharma, how should we think about, uh, design, uh, and, uh, you know, program design fees versus monthly maintenance versus, uh, claims or transaction fees? How do those play in? And, and, and I assume it's different for different types of programs. But, but, uh, you know, when we, when we hear that that claims volume is up 80% year-over-year, but revenues up, you more than double that, uh, uh, you know, how should we think about reconciling the 2 numbers?

Matt Turner: Yeah, so this is Matt. Thanks for the question, Pete. You hit the nail on the head as far as we have program setup fees, we have monthly management fees, and then a variety of different transactional fees across our ecosystem. So, you know, every pharmacy claim that comes in, that's a paid, you know, or a paid claim that generates revenue on that claim. If there are other features or functionality attached to that claim, you know, we talked about dynamic business rules. That's something that rides on top of the claim. There's extra fees for those types of items. So, you know, while we're going to make money on every paid claim when it comes in, there's also other products and services overlaid on top of that claim that will generate additional revenue.

Yeah, so, uh, this is Matt. Thanks for the question Pete. Um,

You hit the nail on the head. As far as we have programs set up fees, we have monthly management fees. Uh, and then a variety of different transactional fees, uh, across our ecosystem. So, you know, every Pharmacy claim that comes in, that's a page, you know, or a, uh, a paid claim, uh, that generates, uh, revenue on that claim if there are other features or functionality, uh, attached to that claim. Uh, you know, we talked about Dynamic business rules, that's something that rides on top of the claim. There's extra fees, uh, for those types of items.

Matt Turner: So that's why, yeah, you'll see if there's, you know, an 80% increase in claims and a 200% increase in revenue because we're able to add on these additional services to essentially make us more money along the way and provide more cost savings and efficiencies to our clients.

Peter Heckmann: Okay. And so.

So, you know, while we're going to make money on on every paid claim when it comes in. There's also other products and services overlaid on top of that claim that will generate additional Revenue. So, that's why. Yeah, you'll see, there's, you know, 80% increase in claims and a 200% increase in increase, in Revenue because we're able to add on these additional Services, um, to essentially make us more money along the way and provide more cost savings and efficiencies to our clients

Matt Turner: And also.

Peter Heckmann: Go ahead.

Matt Turner: Pete, I was going to tell you because I think you're also asking about kind of the mix. So the mix changes depending on the time of the year. Obviously, more claims volume first half of the year, as well as non-claim revenue. You'll see a heavier mix of that in the first half of the year versus the monthly management fees and setup fees. As you go to the second half of the year, as you know, some of the out-of-pocket maximums are hit and some other things, we see claim volumes typically slow down as some of the other revenue items slow down. Then you'll see more monthly management and setup fees.

Matt Turner: So, you know, it's kind of like at the, you know, it's kind of as we grow, it's becoming blended to the tune of about, you know, 20 to 20 to 30 percent of revenues coming from claims, 20 to 30 percent of revenues coming from monthly management and setup fees, and you know, the remainder coming from non-claim revenue. So we're getting a pretty good balance, especially, you know, if you look at it for the entirety of the year.

Peter Heckmann: Okay, that's great. And then just thinking about the revenue per program in pharma, we've discussed how that's not necessarily the greatest indicator, especially on a small base of programs. But when we look at that number, should we assume that the mix is shifting towards more specialty programs versus just retail?

Volume uh, typically slow down and some of the other Revenue items slow down then you'll see more uh, monthly management and setup fees. So, you know, it's kind of like, at the, you know, it's, it's kind of as we grow. Its, it's becoming Blended, uh, to the tune of about, you know, 20 to, uh, 20 to 30% of revenues coming from claims, uh, 20 to 30% of revenues coming from monthly management setup fees. And, you know, the remainder coming from non claim Revenue so we're getting a pretty good balance especially um, you know, if you look at it for the entire entirety of the year,

Okay, that's great. And then just thinking about the uh the the revenue per program in Pharma we've discussed how that's not necessarily the greatest indicator especially on a small base of of uh of programs. But uh it when we when we look at that number should be assumed that the the mix is Shifting towards more specialty, programs versus just retail.

Jacob Stephan: Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by. We appear to have lost contact with our speakers. Please stand by while we reconnect. One moment, please, while we reconnect. Our speakers have now rejoined.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please stand by the way. A period of uh lost contact with our speakers. Please stand by while we reconnect 1 moment, please while we reconnect

My speakers have now rejoined.

Matt Turner: Hey, Pete, did you hear what I was saying?

Peter Heckmann: No, I didn't.

Matt Turner: On the mix? Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, we got cut off. So what I was saying is it depends on the time of the year. Earlier in the year, first half of the year, you're going to see more claims versus the second half of the year as maximum out-of-pockets are reached. And you'll see more monthly management fees, monthly management and setup fees in the second half of the year usually than the first half of the year. What I was saying is, though, we're growing and getting to such a good size portfolio that it's pretty balanced. If you look out over the entirety of the year, it's kind of 20 to 30 percent in claim revenue, 20 to 30 percent in monthly management and setup fees, and the rest in non-claim revenue.

Hey Pete. Did you hear what I was saying?

No, I I on the mix.

Matt Turner: And like Matt told you, non-claim revenue can run the gamut of a lot of stuff that we do for these programs. Call center, for example, or number generation or, you know, faxes and, you know, everything it takes to run a program.

Peter Heckmann: Got it. Okay. And then my follow-up question, which I think got cut off, but just thinking about the, you know, over 90% increase in revenue per pharma program in the first half, should we infer from that that the mix is shifting towards more specialty or in-physician office treatments? Or is that an incorrect assumption? Is it just there may be even maybe just some bigger retail drugs in there as well?

Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, we got cut off. So what I, what I was saying is depends on the time of the year. Uh, earlier in the earlier in the year first, half of the year, you're going to see more claims uh versus the second half of the year as as maximum out of pockets are are reached. Um and uh you'll see more, uh man monthly management fees monthly management and setup fees and the second half of the Year. Usually the first half of the year of what I was saying is, though we we're growing and getting to such a, a, a good sized portfolio that it's pretty balanced. If you look out over the entirety of the year, it's kind of 20 to 30% in claim Revenue, 20 to 30%, and monthly management and setup fees, and the rest and non-claims, you non claim Revenue can run the gamut of a lot of stuff that we do for these, uh, for these programs call Center, for example, or uh, number of generation or, you know, faxes. And you know, everything, I think everything, everything, it takes to run a program.

Got it, okay? And then my follow-up question, which I think I cut off, but uh, just thinking about uh, the the, you know, over 90% increase in in Revenue per Pharma program, in the first half. Should we infer from that? That, that, that the mix is Shifting towards more specialty? Um, uh, or or in Physician Office, uh,

Matt Turner: Yeah, I think I don't want to say that it's because there's like a push to more in-office or specialty drugs. I would certainly say it's not related to in-office, by the way, because that would be more of a medical benefit product. You know, if you look at the concentration of products that we have or brands that we're running programs for, on the specialty side, you know, we do lean pretty heavy towards oncology and hematology type products, things like that in the specialty realm. We do have, you know, a good chunk of retail business, and that's growing. I think the push that you're seeing in the, you know, kind of in the increase in revenue is the types of programs that we onboarded in Q4 of last year are now fully up and running, you know, coming out of Q1 and Q2.

Uh treatments or or or is it is is is is that incorrect assumption? Is it just, is it just there? Maybe even maybe just some bigger retail drugs in there as well?

Matt Turner: And so some of the add-on products like dynamic business rules will have an impact on the top line revenue numbers for those programs. So I think that's where you're seeing some of the bigger jumps in numbers is because we have these other products and services that we're able to offer. And that in turn is having a very good impact on our or a very good result on our top line revenue.

Yeah, I think, uh, I I don't want to say that it's because there's like a push to more in officer specialty drugs. I would certainly say it's not related to in office, by the way, because that would be more of a medical benefit product. Um, you know, if you, if you look at the concentration of products that we have our brands that that we're running programs for, uh, on the specialty side, you know, we do lean pretty heavy towards oncology and hematology type products, things like that in the specialty realm. Uh, we do have, you know, a good chunk of retail business and that's growing. I think the, the push that you're seeing in the, you know, kind of in the increase in revenue is the types of programs that we onboarded in Q4 of last year. Um, are now fully up and running, uh, you know, coming out of q1 and Q2. And so some of the add-on products like,

Dynamic business rules will have a uh, an impact on on the Topline, Revenue numbers for those programs. So I think that's where you're seeing the uh,

Peter Heckmann: Okay, that makes sense. I appreciate it.

Some of the bigger jumps in numbers is because we have these other products and services that we're able to offer. And that in turn is having a, a very good impact on our, uh, or a very good result on our Topline benefit.

Okay, that makes sense. I appreciate it.

Jacob Stephan: Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments.

Matt Turner: Thanks, Kevin. To wrap up, Q2 was a breakout quarter for Paysign with record revenues, stronger margins, and accelerating growth in patient affordability, underscoring the momentum we're building. As we scale to meet rising demand and broaden our reach in the plasma industry and innovative technology, we remain confident in our strategy and excited about what lies ahead. I want to thank the entire Paysign team for their incredible focus and execution, and thank you all for joining us today and for your continued interest and support.

Thank you. We reach the end of our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over for your further closing comments.

Jacob Stephan: Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. We disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

Scaled to meet rising demand and broaden our reach in the plasma industry and innovative technology. We remain confident in our strategy and excited about what lies ahead. I want to thank the entire Paysign team for their incredible focus and execution. And thank you all for joining us today and for your continued interest and support.

Thank you at this concludes. Today's teleconference and webcasting. We disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.