Q2 2025 Pool Corp Earnings Call

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Melanie Hart: It's over to Melanie Hart, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, please go ahead. Thank you, and welcome to our second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Our discussion, comments, and responses to questions today may include forward-looking statements, including management's outlook for 2025 and future periods. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. Information regarding the factors and variables that could cause actual results to differ from projected results are discussed in our 10-K. In addition, we may make references to non-GAAP financial measures in our comments. A description and reconciliation of our non-GAAP financial measures included in our press release are posted to our corporate website in the investor relations section.

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Speaker Change: Thank you and Welcome to our second quarter 2025 earnings conference. Call our discussion comments and responses to questions. Today may include forward-looking statements including Management's outlook for 2025 and future periods. Actual results May differ materially from those discussed today information regarding the factors and variables that could cause actual results to differ from projected, results are discussed in our 10K.

Melanie Hart: We have included a presentation on our investor website to summarize key points from our press release and call comments.

Peter Arvan: Peter Arvan, our president and CEO, will begin today's call with his comments. Thank you, Melanie, and good morning, everyone. We were very pleased to see positive sales growth in the second quarter, along with stable gross margins and steady operating margins versus the prior year. Given all the challenges affecting the broader economy and industry dynamics, I consider these results to be very solid. They are a testament to the team and reflect our ability to deliver outstanding value and exceptional service to our customers, further reinforcing Pool Corp's leadership position in the industry. The second quarter started off similar to how we exited the first quarter.

Speaker Change: In addition, we may make references to non-gaap financial measures in our comments. A description and Reconciliation of our non-gaap financial measures included in our press release are posted to our corporate website in the investor relations section. We have included a presentation on our investor website to summarize key points from our press release and call comments.

Speaker Change: Peter arvan, our president and CEO will begin today's call with his comments.

Peter Arvan: Thank you, Melanie, and good morning, everyone. We were very pleased to see positive sales growth in the second quarter along with stable growth, margins and steady operating margins versus the prior year.

Peter Arvan: Given all the challenges affecting the broader economy and Industry Dynamics. I consider these results to be very solid.

Peter Arvan: They are a testament to the team and reflect our ability to deliver outstanding value and exceptional service to our customers further reinforcing pool corpse leadership position in the industry.

Peter Arvan: We saw encouraging trends in most areas of the business through April and early May. Unfavorable weather conditions in certain markets through mid-June tempered demand, but turned more favorable towards the end of the quarter, helping us post a modest sales gain. The macro uncertainty and constantly developing policy decisions, combined with no signs of interest rate easing, continue to pressure new pool construction and larger renovation projects. Despite this, our construction related sales fared better than the permit data would have suggested. As you all know, permit data indicates that new pool construction is down, high single digit, but it's still too early to call the year.

Peter Arvan: The second quarter started off similar to how we exited the first quarter. We saw encouraging Trends in most areas of the business through April. And early May unfavorable weather conditions in certain markets through mid June, tempered demand but turned more favorable towards the end of the quarter, helping us post a modest sales game.

Peter Arvan: The macro uncertainty and constantly developing policy decisions. Combined with no signs of interest rate. Easing continued to pressure, new pool, construction and larger renovation projects.

Peter Arvan: Despite this our construction related sales, fared better than the permit data would have suggested

Peter Arvan: It is worth noting that the second quarter trends improved from the first quarter, but still represent a headwind on a year over year basis. The remodel activity, we expect, will be modestly better than the new construction activity for the balance of the year. The aging installed base necessitates certain remodel and renovation projects each year, creating ongoing demand. We believe that larger renovation projects in the most recent quarters have been split into phases, allowing consumers to reduce their spend per project or spread out the spend over a longer time frame. For the second quarter results, we reported $1.8 billion in net sales, up 1%, reflecting our team's effort in executing on strategic areas of our business.

Peter Arvan: As you all know permit data indicates that new pool construction is down high single digit but it's still too early to call the year.

Peter Arvan: It is worth noting that the second quarter Trends improved from the first quarter. But still represent a headwind on a year-over-year basis, the remodel activity, we expect will be modestly better than the new construction activity for the balance of the year. The Aging installed base necessitates certain Remodel and renovation projects each year, creating ongoing demand. We believe that larger renovation projects in the most recent quarters have been split into phases, allowing consumers, to reduce their spend per project or spread out the spend over a longer time frame.

Peter Arvan: Maintenance products performed well, including strong growth in our private label chemical products. On sales related to new construction and renovation activities we saw improving trends during the quarter creating less of a drag on sales than in recent quarters. Tariff-driven price increases had a modest impact on the quarter due to timing and was somewhat offset by deflation in our commodity categories.

Peter Arvan: Private label chemical products.

Peter Arvan: On sales related to new construction and renovation activities. We saw improving Trends during the quarter creating less of a drag on sales than in recent quarters.

Peter Arvan: Regionally, we saw distinct trends across our four major U.S. markets. Florida and Arizona each delivered solid 2% sales growth for the quarter, outperforming national average. In both states, ongoing population growth in migration and favorable weather patterns fueled continued demand across the maintenance, renovation, and new construction categories. Our strong local presence, robust distribution network, and targeted marketing initiatives have kept us top of mind with pool professionals, allowing us to expand our customer base and capture additional market share. Additionally, franchise growth and emerging builder partnerships in these states further strengthens our positions for long-term success. Texas and California continue to experience this challenge in new pool construction, with sales down 2 and 3 percent respectively, reflecting macroeconomic headwinds and tempered consumer confidence.

Peter Arvan: Sheriff driven price increase has had a modest impact on the quarter due to timing and was somewhat offset by deflation in our commodity categories.

Peter Arvan: Regionally. We saw a distinct Trends across our 4 major US markets, Florida and Arizona, each delivered solid 2% sales growth for the quarter outperforming National averages

in both States ongoing population, growth in migration,

Peter Arvan: In favorable weather patterns, fueled continued demand across the maintenance renovation, and new construction categories. Our strong local presence, robust distribution, Network, and targeted marketing initiatives. Have kept us top of mind with pool professionals, allowing us to expand our customer base and capture additional market share. Additionally, franchise growth, and emerging Builder Partnerships in the state's further. Strengthens our positions for long term success.

Peter Arvan: Texas and California continue to experience this challenge in new pool construction with sales down to and 3% respectively.

Peter Arvan: However, maintenance and aftermarket sales in these markets remain resilient, highlighting the value of our established installed base and trusted service partnership. Our teams in Texas and California are focused on supporting remodel activity and enhancing customer support to ensure we are well positioned for recovery as local economies and construction activities rebound in the future. We remain confident that our disciplined investment and regionally tailored strategies will enable us to continue outperforming the broader market across all our core geographies.

Peter Arvan: Reflecting macroeconomic, headwinds and tempered consumer confidence. However, maintenance and aftermarket sales in these markets remain resilient highlighting the value of our established installed base and trusted service Partnerships.

Peter Arvan: Our teams in Texas and California are focused on supporting remodel activity and enhancing customer support to ensure we are well positioned for Recovery as local economies and construction activities Rebound in the future.

Peter Arvan: Additionally... We were encouraged by the sequential improvement in permit data for Texas as the quarter developed, although it is still negative. In Europe, net sales increased 2% for the quarter in local currency and 7% in U.S. dollar. We saw sales growth in most European economies, particularly in the southern counties. while France dealt with colder temperatures but showed some improvement in June. We are encouraged that this trend for Europe continued into July.

Peter Arvan: We remain confident that our disciplined Investments and regionally tailored strategies will enable us to continue outperforming the broader market across all our core geographies.

Peter Arvan: Additionally.

Peter Arvan: We were encouraged by the sequential Improvement in permit data for Texas as the quarter developed, although it is still negative.

Peter Arvan: In Europe. Net sales increased 2% for the quarter in local currency and 7% in US dollar.

Peter Arvan: We saw sales growth in most European economies, particularly in the southern counties.

Peter Arvan: For Horizon, net sales declined 2% in the quarter. Maintenance product sales were solid, however, weakness in larger development areas.

Peter Arvan: related, I'm sorry, larger development related construction projects muted those gains. Pricing, for the most part, has stabilized in the market, and we are encouraged with the month-to-date July sales trends. Looking to our product sales mix, chemical sales grew 1% despite price deflation and weather headwinds in certain markets, highlighting the power of our brands and expanding offering for our customers. When combined with our Pool 360 water test platform, it is a very strong chemical offering that will continue to take share as our brands grow. Customer feedback is excellent, and our confidence in this area and our entire retail support offering is strong.

Peter Arvan: While our Southern countries while France dealt with colder temperatures but showed some improvement in June, we are encouraged that this trend for Europe, continued into July for Horizon. Net sales declined 2% in the quarter, maintenance product, sales were solid. However weakness in larger development areas,

Peter Arvan: Large. I'm sorry. Larger development related construction, projects, muted, those gains.

Peter Arvan: Pricing for the most part, is stabilized in the market.

Peter Arvan: Building material sales declined 1%, a sequential improvement from what we saw in the first quarter and much of last year, and better than the underlying trends would suggest. The results highlight the value of our NPT-branded offering, including improved trends in our proprietary pool finish and the effectiveness of our consumer-facing showrooms and refreshed dealer showrooms that support our customers and enhance the pool owner's design experience. Equipment sales, which include cleaners, increased 1% during the quarter, reflecting modest price realization and stable replacement volumes, mitigating the year-over-year decrease in new construction units.

Peter Arvan: And we are encouraged with the month of date July sales Trends looking to our product sales mix, chemical sales grew 1% despite price deflation and whether headwinds in certain markets, highlighting the power of Our Brands and expanding offering for our customers. When combined with our pool 360 water test platform, it is a very strong chemical offering that will continue to take share as Our Brands. Grow customer, feedback is excellent, and our confidence in this area and our entire retail support offering is strong.

Peter Arvan: For context, the most recent price increase went into effect late in the quarter. Looking at our end markets, our commercial sales increased 5% in the second quarter, supported by the investments we have made in developing our commercial team, designating commercial warehouses, and expanding start-to-finish project capability. Sales to our independent retail customers declined 3% in the quarter, showing a similar cadence during the quarter on what we saw in overall sales, but with greater headwind. Weatherhead wins on our DIY maintenance in May and early June, considering our retailers' heavy concentration in northern markets. We saw much improved retail sales in these markets in the latter half of June.

Peter Arvan: Building Material sales declined, 1% a sequential improvement from what we saw in the first quarter and much of last year and better than the underlying Trends would suggest. The results highlight the value of our npt branded offering improving Trend, uh, including improved Trends in our proprietary, pool finish. And the effectiveness of our consumer-facing showrooms and refreshed dealer showrooms that support our customers and enhance the Pool owners design experience. The equipment sales, which include cleaners increased 1% during the quarter or which exclude cleaners increased 1% during the quarter reflecting, modest price realization and stable replacement volumes mitigating. The year-over-year, decrease and new construction units for contacts the most recent price increase went into effect late in the quarter.

Peter Arvan: Looking at our end markets, our commercial sales increase 5% in the second quarter supported by the Investments. We have made in developing our commercial team, designating commercial warehouses and expanding start, to finish project capabilities.

Peter Arvan: Sales to our independent retail customers, decline, 3% in the quarter, showing a similar Cadence during the quarter on what we saw in overall sales. But with greater headwinds

Peter Arvan: Weather headwinds on our DIY maintenance, in May and early June, considering our retailers heavy concentration in Northern markets.

Peter Arvan: For our pinch-a-penny franchise group, representing our franchisees' sales to their end customers, sales increased 1% for the quarter, reflecting their best-in-class offering and customer experience, while also noting their sunbelt concentration with less weather headwinds this quarter.

Peter Arvan: Now, let me comment on gross margin results. As you saw, the business posted a solid 30 percent gross margin for the quarter, consistent with the same period last year. I'm pleased with our team's collective effort and focus in this critical area.

Peter Arvan: and customer experience while also noting, their Sunbelt concentration with less, whether headwinds uh, this quarter

Peter Arvan: now, let me uh, comment on gross margin results as you saw

Peter Arvan: We have seen historically downward. We have seen historically downward cycles place additional pressure on winning business. And through collaborating with our supply chain teams and pricing specialists and making smart decisions on the ground, we've been able to maintain gross margins in line with prior year and a very challenging and dynamic environment.

Peter Arvan: The business posted a solid 30% gross margin for the quarter consistent with the same period last year. I'm pleased with our team's Collective effort and focus in this critical area. We have seen historically downward. We have seen historically downward Cycles Place additional pressure on winning business.

Peter Arvan: Melanie will cover this in more detail in our prepared remarks. Our continued investment in digital innovation are paying off with Pool360 platform transactions now represent 17% of net sales, up from 14.5% last year, reflecting enthusiastic customer adoption and creating durable competitive advantages that are hard to replicate. We celebrated the opening of our 450th branch during the quarter. Strategic openings in the market with higher pool densities continue to be the driver in further building out our footprint and positioning ourselves for further share expansion. We opened two new locations during the quarter and four year to date.

And through collaborating with our supply chain teams and pricing Specialists and making smart decisions on the ground. We've been able to maintain gross margins in line with prior year and a very challenging and dynamic environment.

Speaker Change: Melanie will cover this in more detail in our prepared, remarks.

Our continued investment in digital Innovation are paying off with pool 360 platform transactions. Now represent 17% of net sales up from 14 and a half percent last year, reflecting enthusiastic customer adoption and creating durable competitive advantages that are hard to replicate.

Speaker Change: We celebrated.

Peter Arvan: Our pinch-a-penny franchise network added five new stores in the quarter, including the first new store in North Carolina and increasing the pinch-a-penny locations to 302 franchised stores. As we move through the peak season, we expect sales in the back half of the year to be modestly up with a full year performance anticipated to be relatively flat. In the absence of an interest rate cut or external catalyst, we are updating our diluted earnings per share guidance for the year to a range of 1080 to 1130, which includes a 10 cents realized benefit from the ASU year to date.

The opening of our 450th Branch during the quarter strategic openings in the market with higher pool, densities continue to be the driver. In further building out our footprint and positioning ourselves for further share expansion. We opened 2 new locations during the quarter and 4 year to date our pinch of Penny. Franchise Network added 5, new stores in the quarter, including the First new store in North Carolina and increasing. The pinch of Penny locations to 302 franchise stores.

Peter Arvan: We remain highly confident in the long-term fundamentals of our industry with the demographic trends, desirability of at-home leisure, and continued need for maintenance and renovation supporting ongoing demand. We believe that when the macro backdrop improves, and the housing turnover resumes, new pool construction and renovation activity will accelerate, and Pool Corp will be uniquely positioned to capitalize on that growth.

Speaker Change: As we move through the peak season, we expect sales in the back half of the year to be modestly up with a full year, performance anticipated to be relatively flat and the absence of an interest rate cut or external Catalyst. We are updating our diluted earnings per share guidance for the year to a range of 1080 to 11:30 which includes a 10 cents realized benefit from the ASU year to date.

Peter Arvan: Finally, I want to thank the entire Pool Corp team for your dedication and adaptability. Your commitment enables us to deliver exceptional value and reliability to our customers and partners and, importantly, drive success for our shareholders.

Speaker Change: We remain highly confident in the long term fundamentals of our industry with the demographic, trends desirability of at-home Leisure and continued need for maintenance and Renovations supporting ongoing demand. We believe that when the macro backdrop improves and the housing turnover resumes, new pool construction and renovation activity will accelerate and cool Corp will be uniquely positioned to capitalize on that growth.

Finally, I want to thank the entire pool Corp team for your dedication and adaptability your commitment.

Peter Arvan: We look forward to the opportunities ahead.

Melanie Hart: I will now turn the call over to Melanie Hart, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, for her detailed commentary. Thank you, Pete, and good morning again, everyone. We continue to see robust maintenance activity, benefiting from both volume and industry pricing.

Speaker Change: Enables us to deliver, exceptional value, and reliability to our customers, and partners and importantly, Drive success for our shareholders. We look forward to the opportunities ahead.

Speaker Change: I will now turn the call over to Melanie Hart. Our senior vice president and Chief Financial Officer for her detailed commentary.

Melanie Hart: While new construction permits are improving in several key markets, we have not yet seen a consistently positive trend across all regions. We are closely monitoring these variations and remain prepared to capitalize on opportunities as they arise. Both the traditional pool season price increases implemented earlier in the year and the subsequent late April-early May price increases enacted by certain vendors to react to higher expected tariffs have passed through and have been accepted into the marketplace. Although initially up for discussion, there was not a third wave of June price increase that impacted our costs to date. Pricing for the quarter benefited sales 2% to 3%, but continues to be offset by 1% related to chemical and commodity selling prices.

Melanie Hart: Thank you, Pete and good morning, again, everyone, we continue to see robust maintenance activity, benefiting from both volume and Industry pricing. While new construction permits are improving in several key markets. We have not yet seen a consistently positive Trends across all regions.

Melanie Hart: We are closely monitoring these variations and remain prepared to capitalize on opportunities as they arise.

Melanie Hart: Both the traditional pool season price increases implemented earlier in the year and the subsequent late. April early May price increases enacted by certain vendors to react to higher expected, tariffs have passed through, and have been accepted into the marketplace.

Although initially up for discussion, there was not a third wave of June pricing increase that impacted our costs to date.

Melanie Hart: Chemicals, specifically Tricor, are seeing selling prices less than what we saw in the second quarter of prior year. This pricing, although lower than last year, still represents a significant premium over 2020. We saw volume increases, in particular, in our private-label chemical sales activity. Negative comparisons from discretionary spend leveled out with just a 2% impact overall on the sales for the quarter. As Pete highlighted, our investments at our MPT showrooms continue to pay dividends in showcasing for our builder customers and homeowners the many options where our unique MPT branded tile, decking, and pool finish products are available to customize their backyard.

Pricing for the quarter benefited sales. 2 to 3%, but continues to be offset by 1% related to chemical and commodity selling prices.

Chemicals specifically TriCore are seeing selling prices, less than what we saw in the second quarter of Prior year.

Melanie Hart: This pricing, although lower than last year, still represents a significant premium over 2020.

Melanie Hart: We saw volume increases in particular in our private label chemical sales activity.

Negative comparisons from discretionary spend leveled out with just a 2% impact. Overall, on the sales for the quarter,

Melanie Hart: Our resulting building material sales decrease of 1% is outpacing the market activity compared to permit trends.

As Pete. Highlighted our investments, at our MPT showrooms continue to pay dividends and showcasing for our Builder customers, and homeowners the many options where unique MPT branded tile decking and pool, finished products are available to customize their backyards,

Melanie Hart: I'm very pleased to be reporting a positive comp sales quarter. We continue to showcase our ability to get pricing in the market as a result of both our service levels and our focus on the aftermarket, resulting in a 1% sales benefit. Impacts of discretionary spend in remodel and new pool construction were a 2% headwind, but again improving from a 3% impact in the first quarter.

Our resulting Building Material sales, decrease of 1% is outpacing the market activity compared to permit trends.

Melanie Hart: Market as a result of both our service levels and our focus on the aftermarket resulting in a 1% sales benefit.

Melanie Hart: We were encouraged to see the positive results in Europe and better horizon trends. Growth margins of 30% for the quarter remain strong. We continue to see our internal initiatives related to supply chain improvement, private label growth, and effective pricing, enabling us to maintain margins, even with lower building material product sales and impacts from customer mix. We saw normalized second quarter seasonal margin benefits. We reported a 1% increase in operating expenses for the second quarter. Through our earnings release date, we have now opened eight new locations since the same time last year, contributing 1% to the expense increase with our disciplined operations offsetting other cost-increased drivers.

Melanie Hart: Impacts of discretionary spend in Remodel and new pool construction were 2% headwind. But again, improving from a 3% impact in the first quarter

We were encouraged to see the positive results in Europe and better, Horizon trends.

Melanie Hart: Growth margins of 30% for the quarter, remains strong. We continue to see our internal initiatives related to supply chain improvements private label growth and effective. Pricing, enabling us to maintain margins, even with lower Building Material, product sales and impacts from customer mix.

We saw normalized, second quarter, seasonal margin benefits.

Melanie Hart: We reported a 1% increase in operating expenses for the second quarter.

Melanie Hart: Our volume-related expenses for both compensation and freight remain very well managed. During the quarter, we were able to maintain expenses as a percentage of revenue of 14.7%. We realized operating income of $273 million, an improvement compared to $271 million in prior year. Interest expense of $12.2 million represented a reduction of $1.8 million. altogether generated diluting earnings per share of $5.17 compared to $4.99, which is up 4% from second quarter of last year.

Melanie Hart: Through our earnings release date. We have now opened 8, new locations since the same time last year contributing around 1% to the expense increase, with our disciplined operations offsetting other costs increased drivers.

Melanie Hart: Our volume related expenses for both compensation and Freight remain very well-managed during the quarter. We were able to maintain expenses as a percentage of Revenue of 14.7%.

Melanie Hart: We realized operating income of 273 million and Improvement compared to 271 million in Prior year.

Melanie Hart: Summarizing our second quarter results, we are pleased with the positive signs related to discretionary spend in the pool and outdoor living space, and our ability to utilize our technology tools to grow our private label account local sales while leveraging our network to generate positive income over prior years.

Melanie Hart: Interest expense of 12.2 million, representative reduction of 1.8 million altogether generated diluting earnings per share of 5.17 compared to 4 dollars, which is up 4% from second quarter of last year.

Melanie Hart: Moving on to our balance. We finished the quarter with inventory balances of $1.3 billion, which is up 3% from the prior year. This increase includes new product offerings and supply chain actions to stock our network locations for the season.

Melanie Hart: Summarizing our second quarter results. We are pleased with the Positive signs related to discretionary spend in the pool and outdoor living space and our ability to utilize our technology tools to grow. Our private label chemical sales. While leveraging our Network to generate positive income over prior year.

Melanie Hart: We expect that our inventory patterns for the rest of the year would follow a typical seasonal pattern with balances drawn down through the third quarter, which will position us to evaluate our needs for the 2026 season during the fall and winter early buy offers. Inventory days on hand improved one and a half days from prior year second. Our 1.47 leverage ratio remains at the lower end of our targeted leverage range.

Melanie Hart: Moving on to our balance sheet, we finished the quarter with inventory, balances of 1.3 billion, which is up. 3% from the prior year. This increase includes new product offerings and supply chain actions to stock our Network locations for the season.

Melanie Hart: We expect that our inventory patterns for the rest of the year would follow a typical seasonal pattern with balances drawn down through the third quarter, which will position us to evaluate our needs for the 2026 season during the fall and winter early by offering.

Inventory days on hands, improved 1 and a half days from prior year. Second quarter.

Melanie Hart: In early July, we amended and extended our term loan facility to increase capacity, lessen the maturity, and obtain more favorable borrowing terms. Cash flow for the quarter remains in line with our annual expectation of achieving 90 to 100 percent of net income in cash flow from operations, weighted more heavily to the second half of the year from a cash generation standpoint. Consistent with first quarter 2025, we increased the pace at which we have completed share repurchases, purchasing $104 million during the quarter, an increase of $36 million over prior year second quarter. Year-to-date, we have exceeded prior year repurchases by $76 million and have $560 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization.

Our 1.47 leverage ratio remains at the lower end of our targeted. Delivery drains in early. July, we amended and extended our Term Loan facility to increase capacity length in the maturity and obtain more favorable borrowing terms

Cash flow for the quarter remains in line, with our annual expectation of achieving 92, 100% of net income and cash flow from operations, weighted more heavily to the second half of the Year from a cash generation standpoint.

Melanie Hart: As we look out over the second half of the year, on our first quarter call we referenced an expected future dated June equipment cost increase. With the changing tariff landscape, we do not actually see an increase in cost with a June effective date. However, there were some additional vendors over the initial group of 20 that did push through May effective price increase.

Melanie Hart: Consistent with first quarter 2025, we increase the pace at which we have completed. Share repurchases purchasing, 104 million during the quarter and increase of 36 million over prior year. Second quarter year to date. We have exceeded prior year repurchases by 76 million and have 516 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization

Melanie Hart: as we look out over the second half of the year,

Melanie Hart: On our first quarter, call we reference and expected future dated. June equipment cost increase.

Melanie Hart: Sales for the full year now are expected to be relatively flat with last year, reflecting some pricing benefit from the April-May price increases, but no significant change in discretionary spending on current levels for the rest of the year. Although trends have improved throughout the year, based on the activities to date, we do not anticipate a pace that would provide a significant benefit to 2025. Growth margin rate is also expected to be in line with the prior year full year, which would represent an improvement after considering the non-recurring positive import tax included in 2024. Execution on realization of tariff-driven price increases and supply chain improvements are net positives that are offsetting any impact from product and customer mix.

Melanie Hart: With the changing tariff landscape, we do not actually see an increase in cost with a June effective date. However, there were some additional vendors over the initial group of 20 that did push through May effective price increases

Bales for the full year. Now are expected to be relatively flat with last year.

Melanie Hart: Reflecting some pricing benefit from the April May price increases but no significant change. In discretionary spending from current levels for the rest of the year, although Trends have improved throughout the year, based on the activity to date, we do not anticipate a pace that would provide a significant benefit to 2025

Melanie Hart: Growth margin rate is also expected to be in line with the prior year full year, which would represent an improvement after considering the non-recurring positive import tax included in 2024.

Melanie Hart: As you have come to expect from us, SG&A expenses will continue to reflect productivity to offset inflationary increases and be adjusted real-time based on actual volumes at each sales center location. The year-over-year increases in the back half are expected to be higher than the current quarter, likely ranging from a 2% to 3% increase for the full year, an improvement from the 3% previously estimated, and will include the cost spent on the new sales centers we will open this year. We do not have any significant changes to our expectations regarding interest expense and our estimated tax rate.

Melanie Hart: Execution on realization of tariff, driven price increases and supply chain improvements are net positive that are offsetting any impacts from product and customer mix.

Melanie Hart: As you have come to expect from us, sgna expenses, will continue to reflect productivity to offset inflationary increases and be adjusted real time based on actual volume at each sale Center location.

Melanie Hart: For the full year and improvement from the 3% previously, estimated and will include the cost. Spent on the new sales centers. We will open this year.

Melanie Hart: We have included those ranges along with our forecasted share count as part of our quarterly earnings presentation posted to the website. The update on our interest expense range to be $46 to $47 million includes the incremental share of purchases we have done year-to-date.

Melanie Hart: We do not have any significant changes to our expectations regarding interest expense and our estimated tax rate. We have included those ranges along with our forecasted share counts as part of our quarterly earnings presentation posted to the website

Melanie Hart: Having completed our largest quarter of the year, we have updated our expected diluted EPS range to $10.80 to $11.30, including the 10 cent ASU tax benefit recognized year to date. We continue to focus on running a strong business through this period of higher interest rates and reduced consumer spending. Our actions on sales that support market share gains and on our growth margins holding up in a slower demand environment suggest strong fundamentals that will support the business when discretionary growth returns. Our capital allocation, expense management, and strategic actions remain focused on long-term profitability.

The update on our interest expense range to be 46 to 47 million includes the incremental share repurchases. We have done year to date.

Melanie Hart: Having completed our largest quarter of the year, we have updated, our expected diluted EPS range to $10.80 to $11.30, including the 10-cent ASU tax benefit recognized year to date.

We continue to focus on running a strong business through this period of higher interest rates and reduce consumer spending. Our actions on sales that support market share gains and on our gross margins holding up in a slower demand, environment suggest strong fundamentals, that will support the business. When discretionary growth returns,

Melanie Hart: Thanks everyone for listening in on today's call.

Melanie Hart: Our Capital allocation expense management and strategic actions remain focused on long-term profitability.

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Melanie Hart: Thanks everyone for listening in on today's call, we will now begin our Q&A session.

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Susan Maklari: Our first question comes from Susan Maklari with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Susan. Good morning, Pete.

Our first question comes from, Susan maclari. With Goldman Sachs, please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Susan Maklari: My first question is I want to get a better sense of how you're thinking about the full year, appreciating Melanie's comments around some of the dynamics with tariffs and pricing and the implications that that will have, but when you think about some of the momentum that you're seeing around some of the company-specific initiatives, how should we think about what that will add to the year, especially given the strength you saw in the second quarter relative to some of those incremental headwinds that may come through as you consider some of the moves in the operating environment and tariffs?

Morning, Susan. My first good morning Pete. My first question is, I want to get a better sense of how you're thinking about the full year. Appreciating Melanie's comments around some of the Dynamics with tariffs and pricing and the implications that that will have. But when you think about some of the momentum that you're seeing around some of the companies specific initiatives, how should we think about what that will add to the year? Especially given the strength you saw in the second quarter relative to some of those incremental headwinds that may come through as you consider some of the moves in the operating environment in tariffs?

Peter Arvan: Yeah, good question, Susan. I think the business is performing well with a lot of uncertainty in the market. I think one of the shining stars is the fact that the maintenance and repair business of the growing install base is still very resilient. So that's good. People still love their pools. People have to repair their pool. That is continuing as we talked about. I would say that the renovation business is different than it was a few years ago.

Yeah. I um, good question, Susan. I think the, I think the business is is performing well with a lot of, a lot of uncertainty. In the market, I think 1 of the of the, uh, shining stars is the fact that the maintenance and repair business of the growing install base is, uh, is still very resilient. So, um, that's good. Uh, people still love their pools. People have to repair their pool,

Peter Arvan: As I mentioned in my comments, we feel like many of the larger renovation projects are being broken up into phases to make them more digestible, and I think that trend is going to continue for the balance of the year as long as there's no interest rate relief. believe that on the construction side, the larger builders are the ones that are winning in this environment, and more specifically, it's larger builders in the highly desirable areas, right? So the southern cities that are still doing well. So from where we are spending our time and effort, we've invested in the NPT centers in the areas where we do see new pool construction growing.

Speaker Change: Um, that is continuing as we talked about, I would say that the um, the renovation business is, uh, different than it was a few years ago. As I mentioned in my comments, I we feel like many of the larger renovation projects are being broken up in the phases, to make them more digestible. And I think that, uh, I think that trend is going to continue for the for the balance of the year as long as there's no interest rate relief.

Peter Arvan: We have refreshed our product offering there. We have invested, as you know, with developing our private label chemical brands, and we're seeing great traction in those areas. And again, that just ties into the maintenance business and making sure that we are the preferred brand. Our technology is getting good reviews, and we're seeing a nice increase in adoption.

Speaker Change: Believe that in the, on the construction side, the larger Builders are the ones that are, uh, that are winning in this environment and more specifically its larger builders in the highly desirable, uh, areas, right? So the, the, the, uh, Southern, uh, cities that are still, uh, that are still doing well, so, you know, from, uh, where we are spending our time and effort. You know, we've invested in the npt centers in the areas where we do see new pool construction growing. Um, we have refreshed our product offering their, um, we have, uh, invested as, you know, with, uh, developing our private label

Peter Arvan: And for context, remember, we never said that it was going to rock it straight up. We're looking for consistent, progressive growth in the adoption of our tools, and we are certainly seeing that. The feedback on the tools has been good. We continue to invest in those tools to improve the overall customer experience, and I think that's what's driving further adoption.

Peter Arvan: And I guess lastly, we continue to open locations in areas that we see continued growth, both short-term and long-term. We look at markets like Texas, for instance, and in our commentary, we said that construction in Texas has been under pressure or is down. But, you know, our view on that is that that's really tied to the greater Texas housing market, which appears to be a little bit overbuilt. Existing inventory continues to climb. So, I think this is a short-term problem for Texas. But long-term, we believe Texas is a great pool market for us now, and in the future, it will be too.

Speaker Change: We continue to open locations in areas that we see, um, continued growth, both short-term and long-term. You know, we look at markets like like Texas for instance and and you know, in our commentary we said that the, you know, Construction in Texas um, has been uh, under under pressure or is down.

Peter Arvan: So, we continue to invest in those markets. So, some of our investments are paying off short-term. Certainly, our focus on capacity expansion or capacity creation and our focus on customer experience, which is allowing us to win at the dealer level. I think making sure that our value proposition for the customer is unmatched is helping us win at the dealer level. I think our demand creation activities from a marketing perspective, again, are helping us win at the dealer level. So, the company, given the current environment and where we've placed our investments, as those that I've mentioned, and perhaps the investments that we've made in improving our supply chain team and investments in our commercial team, those are all highlighted in our results and are helping drive Pool Corp.

Speaker Change: But, you know, our, our view on that is that, that's really tied to the Greater Texas housing market, which appears to be a little bit overbuilt existing inventory continues to climb. So I think this is a short-term problem for, uh, for Texas. But long term, We Believe, Texas is a great pool Market, uh, for us now and it and in the future, it will be 2. So we continue to invest in those markets. So, some of our investments are paying off short term, certainly our focus on on capacity, uh, expansion, our capacity creation and, uh, our focus on customer experience which is allowing us to win, you know, at the dealer level, I think making sure that our value proposition for the customer is unmatched is helping us win at the dealer level. I think our demand creation activities from a marketing perspective. Again are helping us win at the dealer level. So I think the company is, is, uh, in given the current environment, um, and where we have, uh, where we placed our investments. Um, as those that I mentioned.

Speaker Change: And and perhaps the Investments that we've made in improving our supply chain team um and investments in our commercial team, those are all highlighted in our results and are helping Drive uh pool Corp.

Susan Maklari: Okay, that's great color.

Susan Maklari: And then maybe following up, you know, when you do think about the pricing that has been passed through to the market this year relative to some of those headwinds that you mentioned around consumers breaking down renovation projects and those types of things, how are you thinking about the elasticity of demand in the industry? Do you think that some of your suppliers are thinking more about price versus volume as they consider the outlook for the macro and how maybe they'll be approaching that going forward?

Okay, that that's great color and then maybe following up, you know, when you do think about the pricing that has been passed through to the market this year relative to some of those headwinds that you mentioned around some of the consumer's breaking down renovation projects and and, and those types of things.

Speaker Change: How are you thinking about the lofty City and demand in the industry? Do you think that some of your suppliers are thinking more about price versus volume? As they consider the the outlook for the macro and and how maybe they'll be approaching that going forward?

Peter Arvan: You know, I think it falls into two categories, Susan. I think that, you know, a portion of our sales of all products are discretionary and a portion of them are non-discretionary. So I think, you know, as it relates to price and price going up on equipment, I would tell you that if it's a, you know, if your pump is, if your pump has failed, whether your pump is, you know, 10% more or 5% more or 2% more than it was last year, I really think it's irrelevant. You have to, you have to replace the pump.

Peter Arvan: I would tell you that we do see, our dealers are reporting that some consumers are opting to fix pumps and repair pumps. So if we look at our parts sales, for instance, our parts sales are outpacing total sales growth in almost every market. So I think that there are some trade-offs being made with, well, can I fix it versus replace it? So I think in non-discretionary areas, I don't really think the pricing is having an impact on whether it gets repaired or replaced, although sometimes people are opting to have it replaced if the repair cost is too high.

You know what? I think it it falls into 2 categories. Susan. I think that, you know, a portion of our sales of, of all products are discretionary and a portion of them are non-discretionary. So I think at, you know, as it relates to price, um, and price going up on equipment. I would tell you that if it's a, you know, if your pump is your pump is failed, whether your pump is, you know, 10% more or 5%, more, or 2% more, um, than it was last year. I really think it's irrelevant. You have to, you have to replace the pump. I would tell you that we do see, uh, our dealers are reporting that that some consumers are opting to fix, uh, pumps and repair pumps. So if we look at our parts sales, for instance, our parts sales are outpacing total sales growth, um, in in almost every market. So, I think that there are some

Peter Arvan: I also think that there's some things on a pool pad, for instance, whether, you know, whether you're talking about if the heater is bad and it's June, something like that can be deferred to later in the year when you need the heater. So again, that would fall into the discretionary area. And certainly new construction is discretionary. But when I look at the price of material as it relates to new pool construction, so even if the pad is up, you know, 5%, 6%, 10%, depending on what, you know, what you have, given that, you know, you're talking about a $15,000, $16,000 line item in a project, you know, average pools now are, you know, $85,000 to $90,000.

Peter Arvan: If the pool pad was $1,000 more or $1,000 less, I don't know that that causes a consumer to opt in or opt out as a result of that.

Speaker Change: Trade-offs being made with. Well, can I fix it versus replace it? So I think a non-discretionary areas I don't really think the pricing is is having an impact on whether it gets repaired or replaced. Although sometimes people are opting to have it replaced. If the repair cost is is too high, I also think that there's some things on a pool pad, for instance, whether you know, whether you're talking about, if the heater is bad and it's June, um, something like that can be deferred to later in the year when you need the heater. So, again, that would fall into the discretionary uh, uh, area. And a certainly new construction is discretionary, but when I look at the price of material as it relates to new pool construction. So even if the even if the pad is up, you know, um, 5% 6%. 10% depending on what you know what, you have given that you know you're talking about a 1516 thousand dollar line item in a project you know average pool is an hour, you know, 85 to 90,000.

Peter Arvan: So I think the...it's a long answer to your question, but I think it really depends on the circumstance and how the consumers are navigating that. Yeah, okay.

If the pool pad was 1,000 dollars more or 1 thousand dollars less, I don't know that that causes a consumer to opt in or opt out as a result of that. So I think the it's a long answer to your question but I think it it really depends on the circumstance and how the consumers uh are navigating that.

Susan Maklari: That's all very helpful, Paula. Thank you. Good luck with the quarter. Thank you.

Yeah. Okay, that's all very helpful caller. Thank you. And good luck with the porter.

Thank you.

Ryan Merkel: Our next question comes from Ryan Merkel with William Blair, please go ahead. Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Pete, just the first question on the outlook, what's the bottom line on why you lowered EPS guidance for the year? Is it that the first half was just a little bit below what you thought, or is it something else? No, it's really, I think the first half, you know, we had anticipated that there would be some interest rate cuts, which didn't happen in the first half. And at this point, I have my doubts whether they happen in the second half at all.

Speaker Change: our next question comes from Ryan Merkel with William Blair, please go ahead

Ryan Merkel: Hey, good morning, and thanks for taking the question, Pete. Just the first question on the Outlook. What what's the bottom line on on? Why you lowered uh EPS guidance for the year? Is it that the first half was just a little bit below what you thought or is it something else?

Peter Arvan: And if they do, whether in time to really, you know, kind of impact demand in the second half. So we just, you know, the adjustment was, it was relatively minor that we made, I think that the maintenance business is good, the install base is, is, is in great shape, whether it, you know, at this part of the season, you can see in the weather maps, just like I have, it's very hot. And that's good for our business. But I think it's really looking at the outlook on new pool construction and saying, without an interest rate cut, that will address the greater housing market, I think it would be tough to say that we believe that new pool construction is going to rebound this year.

Ryan Merkel: And if without new pool construction, rebounding, even with a little bit of price working its way into the industry, those two things are going to offset. Yep, I agree with that. Okay, that's helpful.

Ryan Merkel: Really, you know, kind of impact demand in the second half. So we just, you know, the the adjustment was it was relatively minor that we made. I think that the, um, the maintenance business is, is good. The installed base is, is, uh, is in great shape. Whether it, you know, at this part of the Season, you could have seen the weather maps. Just like, I have, um, it's very hot, um, and that's good for our business, but I think it's really looking at the outlook on new pool construction and saying, without an interest rate cut that will address the greater housing market. I think it would be tough to say that we believe that new pool construction is going to rebound this year. And if without new pool construction, uh, rebounding, even with a little bit of price working its way into the industry. Those 2 things are going to offset.

Ryan Merkel: Yep.

Ryan Merkel: And then my second question on gross margin, I was happy to see the 2Q and even the first half results pretty good in a tough market. I guess my question is on the first quarter call, you talked about more price competition.

Ryan Merkel: I agree with that, okay?

Peter Arvan: Has this abated as you've gotten to the meat of the season? Yeah, if you remember, we talked about it. We said it's always more pronounced in the first quarter because of the timing of early buy payments and it's a smaller quarter. So, you know, from from our perspective at this point, I don't really see anything, anything new going on in that area. So, I mean, we still we, we called out in our commentary, we still have seen some deflation on some of the chemicals, but by and large, I would say I would classify, you know, competitive activity as as nothing out of the norm.

That's helpful. And then my second question on gross margin, I was happy to see the 2q and even the first half results pretty good and a tough Market. I guess my question is on the first quarter of call you talked about more price competition has this debated as you've gotten to the the meat of the season.

Ryan Merkel: Yeah, if you remember, we talked about it, we said it's it's always more pronounced in the first quarter because of the timing of early by payments and it's a smaller quarter.

Ryan Merkel: So, you know, from from our perspective, at this point, I don't really see anything, uh, anything new, um, going on in that area. So, I mean, we still, we, we called out in our commentary. We still have seen, uh, some, uh, uh, deflation on some of the chemicals. But by and large, I would say, I would classify, you know, competitive activity, as, as nothing out of the norm.

Ryan Merkel: Got it. All right. Thanks. Pass it on.

Ryan Merkel: Got it. All right. Thanks, pass it on.

David Manthey: Our next question comes from David Manthey with Baird. Please go ahead. Pete, just to follow on your comment on rates, I'm just wondering, are you referring to a cut in the Fed funds rate somehow impacting mortgage rates?

Our next question, comes from David manthy with beard. Please go ahead.

David Manthey: and the housing market in general. And then second, as it relates to that, the monthly payment buyer down here in Tampa, Florida, the minimum you pay for a pool is $60K, which is higher than the industry average was back in 2021. So I'm wondering, given the pool content and general inflation we're seeing, is there even an interest rate that pulls that monthly payment buyer back in? So two hard questions on rate. I think there's a couple of things, Dave. I think the interest rate has to do with housing turnover, right? So there's people that are in their home, I'm not moving, but I need to borrow money to buy the home.

David: Pete just to follow on your comment, on rates. Um, I'm just wondering, are you referring to a a cut in the FED funds rate somehow impacting mortgage rates?

David: And the housing market in general. And then second um, as it relates to that, the monthly payment buyer, um, down here in Tampa, Florida. The the minimum you pay for a pool is 60k, Which is higher than the industry average was back in 2021. So, I'm, I'm wondering given the pool content and general inflation. We're seeing, is there even an interest rate that pulls that monthly payment buyer back in. So 2-part question on rates,

Peter Arvan: But at the elevated rate, good news is my home equity is high, bad news is the access at home equity is very expensive. But I think if the Fed cuts rates and that works its way through the lending community all the way through mortgages for the family that isn't moving, it will have some impact on them. Although I don't know that it would be a tremendous amount, as you mentioned. I do think the bigger impact is housing turnover, because we see a lot of activity as it relates to housing turnover.

David Manthey: And I think there's people sitting on a lot of equity in their homes that if they could access that as part of a house transaction, if you will, to move to that bigger forever house where they want to build a house, I think that's where we'll Okay, and then to follow on to Ryan's question, as it relates to the outlook, in the past I know you've said that once you sort of get past the midpoint of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, the discretionary portion of your sales can have a greater impact on the overall, but as we look at the report here, you said that you saw an upturn at the end of June, you were encouraged by July trends, and yet the guidance went lower.

I, I think it is. I think there's a couple things, Dave. I think the interest rate is has to do with um housing turnover, right? Um, not so there's people that are in their home. I'm not moving, I I but I need to borrow money to buy the home, but at the elevated rate, good news is my home equity is high, bad news, is is to assess that home equity is very expensive, but I think, if the FED Cuts rates and that works its way through, uh, through the lending Community, all the way through mortgages, for the, for the family that isn't moving, it will have some, uh, it will have some, uh, impact on them. Although I don't know that it would be, uh, it would be a tremendous amount as you mentioned. I do think the bigger impact is housing turnover because we see a lot of activity as it relates to housing, turnover. And I think there's people sitting on a lot of equity in their homes, that, um, if they could access that as part of a house transaction, if you will to move to that bigger forever house, where they want to build a house, I think that's where we'll see it.

Speaker Change: Got it, okay. And then to follow on to Ryan's question. Um, as it relates to the Outlook in the past, I know you've said that once you sort of get past the midpoint of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, the discretionary portion of your sales, can have a greater impact on the overall, but as we look at the the report here, you said that you saw an upturn. At the end of June you were encouraged by July trends.

Peter Arvan: Is it the expectation for second half growth in new and R&R, what's lower today versus 90 days ago, or was there something else in there? Yeah, I think it's I think that's exactly right, Dave. It's the it's the expectation on new. I don't really see any improvement, material improvement, if you will, in in permit data, that would suggest the back half of the year that that new construction and large reno projects are going to are going to increase. So I think we're, we're looking at, okay, here's the trends we had for the first six months of the year.

Speaker Change: And and yet the guidance went lower I'm just is it the expectation for second half growth in new and RNR. What's lower today versus 90 days ago or or was there something else in there?

Yeah, I think it's I think that's exactly right. Dave, it's the it's the expectation on new. I don't really see any Improvement material Improvement if you will, in in permit data, that would suggest the back half of the year that um,

David Manthey: And those don't really look like they are, they're changing all that much on a on a month over month basis. But, you know, the rest of the business, the maintenance portion of the business is doing quite well. So I just don't see enough. I don't see enough in the in the near term to suggest that new pool construction is is going to improve materially. So that's why we made the small adjustment. Makes sense. Thank you, Pete. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Month over month basis. But you know, the the rest of the business, the the, uh, maintenance portion of the business is, is doing quite well. So I just don't see enough.

Speaker Change: Um, I don't see enough in the, uh, in the near-term to suggest that new pool construction is, um, is going to improve materially. So that's why we made the small adjustment.

Ryan Merkel: Makes sense. Thank you, Pete.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Trey Grooms: Our next question comes from Trey Grooms with Stevens. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning.

Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Trey Grooms with Stevens. Please go ahead.

Trey Grooms: Pete, could you talk about any inventory benefits to the margin in the second quarter? You have supply chain as a benefit in the bridge there, but any more color around that? And then also, as you kind of think about the puts and takes on the gross margin for the balance of the year.

Trey Grooms: Hey, good morning. Uh, Pete could you talk about um

Peter Arvan: Either Pete or Melanie, sir. Yeah, so as it relates to the to the current quarter, you know, the supply chain benefits are made up of a combination of multiple things that we're working on from a process standpoint and initiatives that we're doing. So, you know, we're continuing the throughput that we're getting from our CSLs that help to lower our overall product cost. We're actually continuing some improvements as well on our freight activity there. So, those are helping our product cost. When we look at the incremental margins that we're getting on our private labels products, those are also helping us.

Any, you know, inventory benefits to the margin in the second quarter. Uh, you have supply chain as a, a benefit in the bridge there but any any more color around that um and then also, you know, as you kind of think about the puts and takes on the gross margin for the uh balance of the Year, Peter, Peter mountie. Sorry.

Peter Arvan: Yeah. So as it relates to the, uh, to the current quarter, um, you know, the supply chain benefits are made up of, um, a combination of of multiple things that we're working on from, um, a, uh, a process standpoint and initiatives that we're doing. Um, so, you know, we're continuing the throughput that we're getting from our csl's, um, that helped to lower our overall product cost. Um, we're actually continuing some improvements as well on our freight activity there. Um, so those are helping our product cost. Um, when we look at the increment,

Melanie Hart: And then we did get some minor benefit, which would be a little bit more pronounced as we move forward for the rest of the year from the price increases that went into effect late in the quarter. So, as we look out for the balance of the year, you know, we'll see a little bit of margin benefit from some of those incremental prices in third and fourth quarter. And then we'll also see a little bit of improvement from the year over year change in the building materials as that started to moderate when you compare it to prior years.

Trey Grooms: Got it. Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you.

Margins that were getting on our private labels. Um products those are also helping us um and then we did get um you know some minor benefits um which would be a little bit more pronounced. Um as we move forward for the rest of the Year from the price increases that went into effect late in the quarter. So as we look out for the balance of the year, um, you know, we'll see a little bit of margin benefit from some of those incremental prices in third and fourth quarter. And then we'll also see um, a little bit of improvement from the uh the year-over-year change in the building materials. Um as that started to moderate when you compare it to Prior years.

Trey Grooms: And just to kind of circle back on the on the discretionary piece, it sounded like in the press release that there was, you know, some improving trends in discretionary. There was some mention of maybe some year over year, you know, a year over year increase there. But is it And I think from the from some of the slides, it implies that volume, I believe, is is the way to think about it is volume is still down there, but you're getting some benefit from pricing that's maybe slightly more than offsetting that.

Got it. Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you. And just to kind of circle back on the on the discretionary piece. It, it sounded like in the press release that there was, you know, some improving Trends in discretionary. Um, there was some mention of maybe some year-over-year, um,

Peter Arvan: you know, a year-over-year increase their butt is it, and I think from the, from some of the slides that implies that volume, I believe is, is the way to think about it is volume is still down there, but you're getting some benefit from

Melanie Hart: Is that the right way to kind of bridge that commentary around discretionary? Yeah, so the improving trends was, is really more sequential versus, you know, we're not seeing any net positives on the trends on building materials. But even when you look at permits, you know, they're moderating from the decline year over year, so they are improving throughout the year. And then our actual building materials sales activity is showing much better results than that. So, when you looked at building materials specifically, you know, we were down about 5% quarter over quarter in the first quarter, and that improved to 1% in the second quarter.

Peter Arvan: Uh pricing, that's maybe slightly more than offsetting that is that the right way to kind of bridge that commentary around discretionary?

yeah, so the, uh, the

Trends.

Melanie Hart: The pricing impact on building materials is not significant, so they just saw kind of more normalized 1 to 2% as it relates to inflationary pricing benefits. Okay, got it.

Peter Arvan: Was um, is really more sequential versus, you know, we're not seeing any net positives on the Trends on building materials. But um, even when you look at, um, permits you know, they're um, moderating from a decline year-over-year, so they are improving throughout the year and then our actual building materials sales activity is um, showing much better results than that. So when you looked at building materials specifically you know, we were down about 5% a quarter of a quarter in the first quarter and that improved to 1% and the second quarter, the uh, the pricing impact on building materials is is not significant. So they just saw um, kind of more normalized 1 to 2%, um, as it relates to um, inflationary pricing benefits.

Trey Grooms: Thanks for helping clear that up and good luck. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Okay, got it. Thank thanks for helping. Clear that up. And good luck. Thank you.

Andrew Carter: Our next question comes from Andrew Carter with Stiefel. Please go ahead. Hey, thank you. Good morning.

Speaker Change: Go ahead.

Andrew Carter: What I wanted to ask is just stepping back on the questions around new construction. You've talked about the rates on one side and the hope of kind of lower rates to get existing home sales moving. But I guess with where we are now with dealer capacity and obviously the dealer profit pool, I would argue, is likely meaningfully expanded from 2019. Do you think they will actually turn their attention to try to grow volumes that's kind of supportive of the mid to high single-digit for your algorithm? Or better said, I guess just to step back from all of it, do you think mid-single-digit to high-single-digit construction is still possible with where pool costs are and where dealer capacity is today?

Hey, thank you. Good morning. Uh, what I wanted to ask is just stepping back on on the questions. Around new new construction. You've talked about the rates on 1 side and and, and the hope of kind of lower rates to get existing homes sales moving

Speaker Change: But I guess with where we are now with dealer capacity and obviously the dealer profit pool I would argue is likely meaningfully expanded from 2019.

Do do you think they, they will actually turn their attention to try to grow volumes? That's kind of supportive of the mid of kind of the mid to high single digit for your algorithm or better said,

Peter Arvan: Thanks.

Speaker Change: I guess just step back from all of it. Do you think mid single digit to high single digit? Construction is still possible with where P costs are and where dealer capacity is today. Thanks.

Peter Arvan: A very interesting question. And I would say the answer is, I think it really depends on the dealer. I think we have some dealers that are trying to find a way to make the price of a pool more affordable. At the same time, if you survey the dealers, they would tell you that their SG&A, their operating costs, their labor costs, insurance, taxes, fuel, everything is also up. So I think there are some folks that are looking at it differently. There are some folks that say, you know, like some of our dealers, Andrew, are actually doing quite well.

Peter Arvan: So like the folks, again, that concentrate at the high end, that business, as we've said, you know, it sounds like we repeated every call, but that business is good, was good, and the outlook is still strong.

Peter Arvan: It's really at the lower end. And I don't know that you'll see a material drop in the basic costs of a pool. What I will say is, keep in mind that the average price of a pool has come up as much from mix as anything else. I mean, as Dave mentioned, you know, the basic price for a small pool in Florida is still around $60,000. In other parts of the country, you can get an entry level pool for that or a little bit less. The average is pulled up because of the current mix. And the reason for that is more about, you know, financing, the associated financing costs at the lower end where they're much more highly leveraged versus the cash buyer at the upper end.

Speaker Change: More affordable, at the same time, if you surveyed the dealers, they would tell you that their sgna, their operating costs, are labor costs Insurance, taxes fuel, everything is also, uh, is also up. So, I think there is a, uh, I think there's, um, there are some folks that are looking at it, uh, differently. There's some folks that say, you know, like some of our dealers Andrew are actually doing are actually doing quite well. So, like the folks, again, that concentrated at the high end that business, as we've said, you know, it sounds like uh, we repeat it every call, but that business is good was good. And, and the Outlook is still strong. It's really at the at the lower end and and I don't know that you'll see a material drop, um, in the, uh, in the basic cost of a pool. What I, what I will say is keep in mind that the average price of a pool has come up is much from mix as anything else. I mean as as Dave mentioned you know the basic price for a small pool is in Florida is is still

Speaker Change: Still around $60,000 in other parts of the country. You can get an entry-level pool for that or a little bit less. The average is pulled up because of the of the current mix. And the reason for that is more about you know, financing, uh uh the uh the associated financing cost at the lower end where they're much more, highly leveraged versus the cash. Buyer at the upper end.

Andrew Carter: Thanks for that.

Andrew Carter: Second question I would ask, with all the kind of tariffs, kind of impact of supply chains and second-order effect, have you seen anywhere out there where there's any tightness on products? I know you're domestic, maybe tightness that would hit the lowering guys, and might as well while I'm on the topic.

Peter Arvan: Anything on the labor front that you've seen out there, obviously from your contractors, customers, but anything that would be second-order to you guys? Thanks. Yeah, I was we talked to our dealers, we don't get the sense that there is a there's a labor problem. I think everybody has enough labor to do the work that there is today.

Speaker Change: Thanks for that second question. I would ask with all the kind of tariffs kind of impacted Supply chains and second order effect. Have you seen anywhere out there where there's any tightness on on products? I I know your domestic. Maybe. Tightness that would hit the lower end guys, and might as well while I'm on the topic. Anything on the labor front that you've seen out there obviously from, you know, your contractor's customers. But anything you would obviously that would be second order to you guys, thanks.

Peter Arvan: As far as your other your other question on second order effect on tariffs, I'm not quite sure I understand that maybe you could expand a little bit. So I make sure I answer the right question. Yeah, I apologize. I meant more on the any kind of product shortage you're seeing. I know that you source domestically, but just the supply chain whips and saws if that's, if that hits you. Yeah, nothing out of the ordinary. In any given year, there'll be an issue with something, but there's nothing that we can point to that says that, hey, there's a shortage of this material or that material that's affecting everybody.

Yeah, I I I was we talked to our dealers, we don't get the sense that there is a uh, there's a labor problem. Um, I think everybody has enough labor to do the work, um, that there is today as far as your other your other question on second order effect on on tariffs. I'm not quite sure. I understand that. Maybe you could expand a little bit so I make sure I answer the right question. Yeah, I apologize. I meant more on the pro. Any kind of product shortage you you're seeing I know that you sourced domestically but just the supply chain whips and saws if that's if you if that hits you at all. Yeah.

Peter Arvan: I would say supply chains are generally in very good shape.

Andrew Carter: Thanks, bye, Shaun.

Speaker Change: Yeah, yeah, nothing nothing out of the ordinary in any given year, there will be an issue with you know, with something. But there's nothing that you know, we could point to that says that hey there's a shortage of this material or that material that's affecting everybody. I would say, Supply chains are generally in in very good shape

Speaker Change: Thanks based on.

Scott Schneeberger: Our next question comes from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thanks very much. I'm curious, you guys mentioned in the inventory, it's a little bit higher year-over-year. You mentioned ensuring customers have good access, but the first list was expanding product offering.

Speaker Change: Our next question comes from.

Peter Arvan: I'm just curious if there's anything we should read into there, if you could elaborate on what that is, and then I'll have a follow-up. Yeah, there's really nothing to read into that. Every year, manufacturers introduce new products into the market, and we have to make sure that we have those products available for sale as the sales development efforts are underway. So nothing really to read into that. And what I would also say is we have really no concern on our end as to the inventory balances. We're actually very, very good at managing inventory, so we'll be exactly where we need to be at year end.

Speaker Change: Uh, thanks very much. Um, I'm curious you guys mentioned in the, uh, in inventory. Um, it's a little bit higher year-over-year. You mentioned ensuring, um, customers have good access, but the first list was expanding product offering. I'm just curious if there's anything, we should read into there, if you get elaborate on what that is, and then I'll have a follow-up. Thanks.

Yeah, there's really nothing to read, uh, nothing to read into that every year. Manufacturer is introducing new products, uh, into the into the market. And we have to make sure that we have those products available for sale as the sales development efforts are underway. So um, nothing really to read into into that and what I would also say is not not not, we have really no concern on our end as to the, uh, as to the inventory balance is, we're, we're actually very very good at managing, uh, managing inventory. So we'll be exactly where we need to be at, uh, at year end.

Melanie Hart: Thanks Peter.

Melanie Hart: And then as a follow-up, I guess Melanie, probably more for you, recent passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill, might that have a favorable impact on your cash flow? Have you assessed where that might impact you is the primary question.

Melanie Hart: And then I guess maybe either one of you, do you think it could have a derivative impact on your consumers and could you possibly see it as soon as this year, potentially perception of tax benefit individually assisting in discretionary spending? Yeah, so from the company standpoint, our tax team has done a very detailed analysis, and now you're prepping me for my answer to the board next week. But, you know, we see it as some slight benefits. You know, there's a couple of things on the international side that really won't have a material impact on our tax rate overall.

Melanie Hart: All right, thanks for your. And then as a follow-up, I guess, Melanie probably more for you. Um recent passage of the uh the the 1 big beautiful bill. Um is it might that have a favorable impact on your cash flow? Have you assess where that might impact you is? The is the primary question and then, um, I guess, maybe, maybe either 1

Melanie Hart: 1 of you as do, you think it could have a derivative impact uh on on your consumers and could you possibly see it as soon as this year? Um potentially perception of tax benefit individually, um um assisting in discretionary spending thanks.

Melanie Hart: But, you know, the biggest thing that we expect to see as a benefit is the change in the accelerated depreciation. So that will, for us, be a positive as it relates to the cash flows on the tax side.

Melanie Hart: On the homeowners, I don't know that we'll be able to see any type of quick reaction on that. Most people, I would suspect, are still kind of digesting the impacts. And, you know, we really haven't seen any significant changes in consumer confidence or, you know, spending of discretionary income at this point.

Positive as it relates to at the cash flows on the tax side. Um, on the homeowners, I don't know that, um, that will be able to see any type of quick reaction on that. Um, most people I would suspect are still kind of digesting the impacts and um, and you know, we really haven't seen any significant changes in consumer confidence or, you know, spending of discretionary income at this point.

Melanie Hart: Thank you very much.

Melanie Hart: Thank you very much.

Sam Breed: The next question comes from Sam Breed with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Awesome. Thanks so much. I wanted to touch on chemicals and dig deeper on pricing. So it sounds like the price backdrop in chems, you know, is still negative, you know, just based on the commentary. But it also sounds like you're not seeing a change or a deterioration, I should say, in the competitive backdrop. So if things are not getting more competitive, I guess the question is kind of why is pricing still negative here?

The next question comes from Sam. Breed with Wells, Fargo. Please go ahead.

Sam Breed: Awesome. Thanks so much. Uh wanted to touch on chemicals and dig deeper on pricing so it sounds like the price backdrop in Kim's. You know, it's still negative, you know, just based on the commentary. Um, but it also sounds like you're not seeing a change or or deterioration. I should say in the competitive backdrop. So if things are not getting more competitive, I guess the question is kind of, why is pricing still negative here?

Peter Arvan: You know, Sam, that's a really good question. You know, as we as we look at the market, there is there isn't a macro backdrop that says that, you know, there should be that we should see deflation on chems. We're in the heat of the season. Demand is demand is good. I think what I would tell you, here's the way I would characterize it is that there was there was pressure earlier in the year. Now, there is things really haven't changed. So I wouldn't I don't think things are getting any worse. I think from a chemical perspective, prices are not much different than we saw earlier in the year.

You know, uh, that's, that's Sam. That's a really good question, you know, as we, as we look at the market, there's there isn't a, a macro backdrop. That says that, you know, there should be, uh, um, that we should see deflation on chems. Uh, We're In the Heat of the Season. Uh, demand is, uh, demand is good. I think what I would tell you, here's the way I would characterize it is there was, uh, there was pressure earlier in the year.

Sam Breed: But, you know, I can't give you a scenario that says, hey, I think there's a there's a backdrop that's going to lead to a decline, a further decline in chemical prices. No, that's helpful, Peter. I appreciate it.

Sam Breed: Um, now, there is things really haven't changed. So I wouldn't, I don't think things are getting any worse. I think from a chemical perspective, prices, uh, are not much different than we saw, you know, earlier in the year. But, you know, I, I can't give you a scenario that says, hey, I think there's a, there's a backdrop that's going to lead to a decline, a further decline in in chemical pricing.

Sam Breed: And then maybe just touching on Q2 sales in the context of some of the tariff noise during the quarter. And just want to maybe put a finer point.

Peter Arvan: Did any of your customers, as best you can tell, pull forward demand ahead of tariffs? If there was any demand pull forward, you know, what would be the implications on Q3 in that scenario? Just any help on that would be appreciated. Thanks. Yep. No, I can't tell you that we really saw any material pull forward. Remember, so much of our business is pickup business every day. 70% of our business takes place at the counter, our transactions, if you will, take place at the counter and pickup. So I don't know that anybody, we didn't see any material change in buying patterns.

Speaker Change: No, that's helpful Pete. I appreciate it. And then maybe just uh, touching on Q2 sales in the context of some of the Tariff noise during the quarter and just want to maybe put a finer Point. Did any of your customers as best you can tell pull forward? Demand ahead of tariffs. If there was any demand for pull, pull forward, you know what would be the implications on Q3 in that scenario? Just any help on that would be appreciated, thanks.

Peter Arvan: So I don't expect there to be a whipsaw into third or fourth quarter as a result of that.

Sam Breed: We would characterize buying patterns as normal for a That's really helpful. Thanks so much. I'll pass it on.

Speaker Change: Yep. No. I I can't tell you that we really saw any any, uh, material pull forward. Remember so much of our business is pick up business every day. 70% of our business takes place at the counter, um, our transactions, if you will or take place at the counter and pick up, so I don't know that. Anybody, we didn't, we didn't see any material change in, uh, in buying patterns. So, I don't expect there to be a, a website and into third, or fourth quarter as a result of that. We, we would characterize buying patterns, as, as normal for in-season,

Speaker Change: That's really helpful. Thanks so much. I'll pass it on.

Garik Shmois: Our next question comes from Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Please go ahead. Oh, hi, thanks.

Speaker Change: Thanks.

Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Garrick Schmo with loop capital. Please go ahead.

Garik Shmois: First, just hoping you can review the gross margin bridge in a little bit more detail for the back half of the year, just as far as the puts and takes go. With respect to the supply chain, the pricing, the mix that you outlined in the slide deck, and just wondering, you know, which of these categories are, you know, getting more favorable to get to gross margin growth? Yep, so as we look at the second half, we'll see pricing will be a little bit more favorable and we would expect that product mix, although would still be a negative, you know, year over year when you're looking at individual quarters, it's trending more positive.

Garrick Schmo: Oh hi thanks. Um first just hoping you could review the gross margin bridge in a little bit more detail from the back half of the year. Just as far as the puts and takes go with respect to this the supply chain, the pricing the mix, you outlined the uh the slide deck and just wondering you know which of these categories are are you know getting more favorable to get to gross margin growth in the second half.

Melanie Hart: So it'll be a little bit less negative on the product mix side.

Peter Arvan: Okay, that's helpful. A smaller part of your business, but the improvement in Europe was notable. Wondering how much of that is improving in the underlying market, or I know the continent had a bit of a heat wave, especially in June. I was wondering if maybe that was a big driver of the growth. Yeah, I think that as I mentioned, it's really If I look at Europe, obviously, our largest market in Europe is France. France didn't help a lot, so France was down slightly for the quarter, even though Europe, the more southern countries in Europe are the ones that were leading the charge.

Yep. So as we look at the second half, we'll see, um, pricing will be a little bit more favorable, and we would expect that, uh, product mix, although would still be a negative, you know, year-over-year when you're looking at the individual quarters, um, it's trending more positive. So it'll be a little bit less negative on the product mix side.

Speaker Change: Okay, that's helpful. Um smaller, uh, part of your business but the Improvement in Europe.

Speaker Change: Uh, was notable wondering how much of that is an improvement in the underlying Market, or I know the cops in that had a bit of a heat wave. Uh, especially in June, I was wondering if maybe that was a big driver, uh, a big growth there.

Speaker Change: yeah, I I think that as, as I mentioned, it's really um,

Peter Arvan: I would tell you that I think the weather is good, and it appears that there's a little more stability over there. I was over there last quarter, and I came away more encouraged at the outlook for Europe, which they've been in a tough spot for a few years, but the team appears to be more optimistic, and we're seeing it on the sales line, so we're encouraged.

Peter Arvan: Okay. Very good.

Speaker Change: You know, if I look at Europe, obviously our our largest market in Europe is France. Um, France had, uh, um, France didn't help a lot. So France was down slightly for, uh, for the quarter. Even though Europe, The More Southern countries in Europe, are the ones that were leading the charge. I would tell you that. I think the, I think the weather is good and it appears that there's a little more stability over there. So, um, I was over there last quarter and and I came away, um, more encouraged at the, at the outlook for, for Europe which has been a, they've been at a tough spot for a few years. But, you know, the team appears to be more optimistic. And and we, uh, um, we're seeing it at the, on the sales line. So, uh, we're encouraged

Peter Arvan: Thank you.

Very good. Thank you.

Colin Vuren: Our next question comes from Colin Vuren with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker Change: Our next question comes from Colin van with Deutsche Bank, please go ahead.

Colin Vuren: In your prepared remarks, you provide some high-level commentary, but can you provide any more color or put some numbers around how demand trended by month and how things are tracking thus far in July? Just trying to understand if underlying demands, excluding some of those weather impacts, accelerated throughout the quarter and as we exited June, and if volumes could inflect positively at some point in 2025, just with the discretionary and market decline shrinking. Yeah, I think we we attempted to kind of frame that up as follows. The early in the quarter the markets, you know, April and May were stronger than the beginning of June.

Speaker Change: Morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Uh, in your prepared remarks, you provided some high-level commentary, but can you just provide any more color or put some numbers around? How Demand trended by month and how things are tracking this far in July? Just trying to understand if underlying demands. Excluding some of those weather impacts accelerated throughout the quarter and as you exited June and it volumes could it's like positively at some point. In 2 5 3,

Speaker Change: yeah, I I think we um,

we attempted to kind of frame that up. Um, as follows the early in the quarter, um,

Peter Arvan: June is, you know, the biggest month of the year is always gonna be, excuse me, May or June. So in the beginning of June, we saw a bit of a, I wouldn't characterize it as a, you know, a huge slowdown, but it wasn't as positive as it was earlier in the quarter for, you know, a couple of weeks. And then on the back half of June, things picked up again. And I would say that those trends have carried out into July, so we are encouraged at the near term.

Speaker Change: The, uh, the markets, you know, April and May were stronger than the beginning of of June June is is, you know, the biggest month of the year is always going to be excuse, me, May or June. Um, so in the beginning of June, we saw a, a, uh, a bit of a, I, I wouldn't characterize it as a, you know, a, a huge slowdown, but it wasn't as positive as it was earlier in the quarter, or, you know, a couple of weeks. And then, on the back half of June, um, things picked up again and I would say that those Trends have carried out into, uh, into July. So, um, we are, uh, we are encouraged that the near-term Outlook.

Peter Arvan: Okay, understood.

Peter Arvan: And then just on the pricing dynamics, I understand that one of the manufacturers walked back some of a second price increase here, but I think another larger manufacturer is out publicly saying that they might be looking to take further price in the market later this year. So can you just talk about what you're seeing and hearing maybe about second half price increases from suppliers and what's baked into your guidance currently? Yeah, I don't think we're going to see any any increases aside from the normal increase that the manufacturers are going to put in at the end of the year.

Speaker Change: Okay. Understood. Um, and then just on the pricing Dynamics. Uh I understand that's 1 of the manufacturers walks back. Some of uh a second price increase here, but I think another large manufacturer is out publicly saying that they might be looking to take further price in the market, uh, later this year. So can you just talk about what you're seeing and hearing maybe about second half price increases from suppliers. Um and what's baked into your guidance currently?

Peter Arvan: There was some contemplation about another in-season increase prior to the pre-buy or early buy and pricing for next year. That seemed to have abated, but now we're looking at, you know, we're starting to receive increases, increased letters for the upcoming season. They'll take effect depending on the manufacturer sometime either in September or October, and those are contemplated in our guidance, what we know of now.

Speaker Change: Yeah, I I don't think we're going to see any um, any increase is aside from the normal increase that the manufacturers are going to put in. At the end of the year, there was some contemplation about another in-season increase prior to the prebby or early buy, uh, and and pricing for next year, um, that that seemed to have a baited. But now we're looking at, you know, we're starting to receive increases, uh, increased letters for, uh, the upcoming season. They'll uh, they'll take effect and depending on the manufacturer or sometime either in in September or October, um, and those are are contemplated in our in our guidance, what we know of now.

Colin Vuren: Great, thank you for the call.

Speaker Change: Great, thank you for the caller.

Shaun Calnan: Our next question comes from Shaun Calnan with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Just first, on the 2% to 3% net price you realized outside of commodities, it looks like the manufacturers were realizing like more mid-single digits. Can you just break out what's included in commodities versus that other 2% to 3% bucket? Is that just equipment and you guys are kind of getting squeezed a little on price there or are there other things we should be thinking about that are included? Yeah, now the main difference between what we're realizing from a price increase versus the equipment is that only 30% of our product mix overall is equipment.

Our next question.

Speaker Change: Hi guys, thank you for taking my question. Uh just first on the 2 to 3%, net price, you realized outside of Commodities. It looks like the manufacturers were realizing like more mid single digits. So,

Can you just break out? What's included in Commodities versus that other 2 to 3% bucket is that just equipment and you guys are kind of getting squeezed a little on price there, or are there other things, we should be thinking about that are included.

Melanie Hart: So when you're looking at the, you know, higher price realization that the equipment manufacturers are getting, that's only on a portion of our business. So things, you know, such as the building materials, you know, those are seeing much more normal increases, 1 to 2%. And so, you know, really the difference there is going to be product mix overall. As it relates to the commodities, what we have grouped in there is generally going to be chemicals, plumbing, and rebar. And, you know, to some extent, there is a little bit of decking material as well. Some of our decking building materials.

Speaker Change: Yeah. Now, the main difference between what we're realizing from a price increase versus the equipment, is that only 30% of our product mix overall is equipment. So, when you're looking at the, you know, higher price, realization that the equipment manufacturers are getting, that's only on a portion of our business. So things, you know, such as the building materials. Um, you know, that as they're seeing much more more normal increases 1 to 2%. And so, you know, really, the difference there is going to be product mix overall, um, as it relates to the Commodities. Um, what we have grouped in there, um, is generally going to be, um, chemicals, um, plumbing and rebar. Um, and, you know, to some extent, there is a little bit of um, decking material as well. Some of our decking building materials

Peter Arvan: Okay, great. And then the private label chemicals continue to show good results despite what kind of seemed like a tough backdrop for chemicals for the industry. Can you talk about what's driving that growth and then where private label sales are as a percentage of total chemical sales today versus the last couple of years? Yeah, I would say what's driving the growth is we have a great portfolio of brands for the chemical space. So we last year refreshed all of the brands. We completed the lines. We added the Pool 360 water test software. And decisions to change brands on chemicals are not short cycle decisions that the large retailers and some of our other dealers make.

Speaker Change: Okay great. And then the private label chemicals continue to show good results. Despite what kind of seemed like a tough backdrop for chemicals, for the industry. Can you talk about? What's driving that growth and then where private label sales are as a percentage of total chemical sales today versus the last couple of years?

Peter Arvan: So it takes time for them to decide whether they're going to change and to gain confidence. So we know we have a good product. We know that we have really, you know, kind of best in class, a complete value proposition for chemicals, whether it's the Pool 360 water test, the consumer apps for the water test, and how those all work together. So we think that we have a good product. We think we have a great value proposition for the customer. And we think in time or as time goes on, that will continue to grow, especially when you couple that with the rest of the things that we do for our dealers.

Are are not, uh, short cycle decisions that, you know, the large retailers, um, and are are some of our other dealers make. So they, they it takes time for them to, um, decide whether they're going to change and to gain confidence. So, we know we have a good product. Um, we know that we have really, you know, kind of best-in-class a complete value proposition for chemicals, whether it's the uh, pull 360 water tests, the uh, the consumer apps for the water test, um, and the, uh, and, and how those all work together. So we think that we have a good product. We think we have a great value proposition for the customer. And we think in time, or as time goes on, that will that will continue to grow, especially when you couple that with the rest of the of the things that we do for our dealers.

Peter Arvan: Great, thank you.

Great. Thank you.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer for any closing I just want to thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to our next call, which is on October 23rd, when we will review our third quarter 2025 results. Enjoy the remainder of your summer and have a great day. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Speaker Change: This concludes our question and answer session.

Speaker Change: I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter arvan, president and chief executive officer for any closing remarks.

Speaker Change: I just want to thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to our next call which is on October 23rd when we will review our third quarter 2025 results, enjoy the remainder of your summer and have a great day.

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